 Monday, Monday, Monday. Does Tim Kronke finally win some NBA hardware? Nuggets, he gave five tonight. First basket's coming up. If you haven't done first baskets, it's so easy. Who's going to score the first basket? Tell me right now. We will put it on our show. Your tweet, I've on the air. Is it Joker? Is it BAM? Is it Marie? Let's go. And it's a lot of fun over on Fandals Sportsbook. You don't need to be on Fandals Sportsbook or in the state that participates. You can just hit it right here. We will have lots of fun together for game five. I can't believe the Nugs might take this thing. The chicken nuggets, according to Rashad White. Also, Tom Brady, Mr. Beast. Who's actually the biggest star? D-Hop gets the Royal Vrable treatment from the Titans. Darius Butler breaks down that and other NFL storylines. And we welcome an old friend, Golden Tate, a failed Mary Fain to talk Pete Carroll. Pickleball, apparently. Jalen Hurts sliding into third. That wasn't OK. Happy Monday. Come in my studio, Latin New York. And then I don't know how I haven't been here in like two weeks. Eric, you've aged a year. Brian, I haven't seen you in forever. How are you doing? I'm doing great. It's great to have you back. Thanks. We have good guests today. Darius Butler, who we love. Best show yet. Yeah, we were fighting in the morning meeting about who's going to get the Jalen Hurts question. Because Jalen Hurts sliding into third, kind of a no-no, highly paid guy. But if he didn't go 100%, I would be mad that he didn't do it. He's your franchise guy. You got to pause at third. You can't be doing a hop slide there. Was there, like, skin missing from his shin? He bloodied himself. No. You don't like to see it. I think we'll see who gets that question. Golden Tate this year. Super Bowl champion. And we have Darius Butler, of course, to break down NFL storylines. You've got the NBA action game five tonight. We'll see who can do the damage and who gets the first basket. We'll make those calls. But, yeah, definitely treat the show through your thing. Make the first basket. We'll get those tweets rolling throughout this hour. But to go to the NFL world, Deandra Hopkins had his visit with the Titans last night, okay? And we don't really know how it went, but we know how it probably feels, because he got the Royal Truman. It always feels good to be treated well going into a job interview, a little, you know, wine and dine, give me the caviar, the roses, the whole thing. You know, we probably aren't going to hear much about this until he signs there or elsewhere. But this update from De'Andre sort of spoke for itself. And I do find it interesting that while Vrable has downplayed this, at every turn, like, we won't be recruiting, recruiting. We're not recruiting anyone. De'Andre's going to come in and work out. Like, anybody else would show up and work out. You think everybody else is getting treated like that? Come on. Okay, Tennessee had the Photoshop of De'Andre in a freaking Titans jersey ready to welcome him in. I mean, I think part of the sale should be that they're going to bring back those Oilers jerseys. You know De'Andre's a fashion guy. Where's that mock-up? When you had DHOP, I believe, at a Tim McGraw concert. Now it was, I think it was like CMA week over in Tennessee last night. So the city's a buzz. It's a perfect time to get him in there. And this was, he was at Nissan Stadium. I don't know if we have the Instagram store, but he was there and having a good time. I wonder, is that like him and Vrable? Is Traylon Burke? Probably not. Probably not invited after what he was caught saying last week about not wanting to add anybody and liking the receivers that they had. You know, they're winding and dining and pulling out all the stops in Nashville, but I do think Vrable wants to probably make this happen a little more than he's letting on in the press conferences. And there's another team throwing their hat in the ring as well with rap sheets saying that, and everybody knows this, it's old news from last week, that the old Arizona Cardinals wide receiver is set to visit the Patriots later this week. So I don't know, we talked about the Patriots as one of the options for him last week. We talked about Tennessee as one of the options, but this was in a category, New England was a likely candidate, a likely suspect to sign nuke, because we went through evidence on evidence that Bill Belichick is sort of obsessed with Deondre Hopkins and has been for a long time. Lots of quotes about him, lots of meaningful exchanges between the two. And I said this last week and I still have one question here and it is, you know, about DHOP obviously and Bill O'Brien. And, you know, we can start with what DHOP has put on record concerning the Patriots as a destination because you've got to remember this from April. First destination, we're going to go with the New England Patriots. All right? What is that face? Like, Hamilton's like, that face speaks volumes. What am I reading into here? He's looking at his, you know, agent or whoever put him in that interview and he's like, why did you put, like, what kind of a position did you put me in? Like, is that, is that, that's a bad freeze frame and this is the problem with the world. He just sort of looks and says, like, I don't want to, it's probably because I'd love to go to New England and I'm not going to say, if I say anything, Bill Belichick will literally end me and end the conversation but do I think it means he's saying I don't want to go there or like Mac Jones, I don't believe in him or not? I don't know. How much of that, you know, has to do with Bill O'Brien? That's the question, right? But clearly something has shifted because he's taking a visit to New England if in fact that was a sort of I don't want to be there thing at all, which I actually don't take it as. And the Bill O'Brien thing is the big factor here because the Patriots check a lot of other boxes. They need a dominant guy. Belichick loves him. They have the money. So it fits there. Like the figures add up. They're going to be in the mix as long as Belichick is the head coach no matter how tough that division is. But things by all things that we know ended not great between Bill O'Brien and Newken Houston and if that relationship can't be mended which hopefully it can be it's not going to work, right? And if there was legit bad blood here DeAndre told SI back in 2020 there was quote no was no relationship between the two of them. That's not I don't rule. And he told writer Greg Bishop quote make sure you put that in there. He wanted that out there. So he also alleged that O'Brien made some other unsavory comparisons between Newk and another former player and some negative stories about Hopkins practice habits did start leaking around that time as well. So it was ugly. So the ray of hope would be when Bill O'Brien was fired by the Texans in October of that year DeAndre said he wishes bad on nobody and that quote hopefully he can have success somewhere else. That's nice. That's a little nicer. Maybe we're working up to something and maybe that place is New England. I think DeAndre's presence there would be would all but assure that this Patriots offense would be a success this season. Okay, we all have other. Sorry, I don't think I'd go seven minutes on DeAndre Hopkins. That was a good one. Sorry. Offseason vibes. We also heard from say called Barkley yesterday. He confirmed that he will not be at Giants mandatory minicamp. He says the following to summarize basically he says he's not trying to reset the running back market. He wants a fair deal and it doesn't sound like the Giants have met his expectations there yet. But the part that sort of stands out to me here is that he mentions how he wants to be compensated for his contributions to the team on the field and in the locker room. And that's a reasonable ask, okay. Because there has been no one that you can point to in the NFL that has been more crucial to any or on that team rather more crucial to any of the success that they have had over the last five years than Saquon. Like any Winnie has a hand in and when he's not out there, it's not pretty. And this is where it gets tricky because the Giants can't negotiate this next contract for what he's done in the past. That's what he's done. What are you going to be in the future? This deal has to be based on the value that they think he's going to have and bring them going forward. Now he is and I will remind everyone because everyone thinks Saquon's played in the league for ten years. He's a he's a baby. He's 26 years old still, 26. And he's got all time, okay. Over the devaluing of the position, okay. And some of the durability concerns have to be taken into account here by the front office as they sort of come to terms. Saquon means so much to this team and this organization. I think he'll continue for years to come to be that guy and I really hope that they can come to terms on something that works for everyone. But the Giants front office is already in the process of digging itself out of a hole from the previous regime. And one misstep here in how they sort of structure this deal could put them right back at the bottom of it. Because it might be the toughest deal to navigate in the entire league this year. And I do not envy either side. And people are split. Like I have a lot of Giants fans in my life and half of them are saying I love Saquon. They recognize everything he's done but they're like do not pay him. Do not give him it's you know it's the ruthlessness of the business and I'm curious you know like Golden Tate and Darius Butler's takes on this. And then the other half is like give him what you know like it's a it's it's not an emotional decision to give him tons of money. What is the in between and can they get there in a hurry. They have till July to sort of figure it out. I think so you know God speak to both sides. And of course I say Hamilton you know in the words of the great Nate Burleson. Pay the man. Oh my God. Yeah kind of pay everybody. Hamilton. No that's it. Go ahead. Yes please. Please my friend. No it's yeah it was Saquon it's you know he doesn't mean so much to that organization. It is different than most running stocks that you have to deal with because he does so much as he mentions in the locker room and on the field and his versatility and all that it has to be taken into consideration. I don't envy Joe Shane here at all because it's it's going to be tough. Okay so you're so ridiculous you're wearing this sick by the way I love this red this is and if your mom got you this well done because you buy all your clothes so I'm loving this but this is you you know I send you here's our relationship. There's some like you know like I sent you the thing about Saquon and said we should definitely put that in and like whatever and you're coming up with with the with the structure of the show should look like so we have that relationship but mostly I send you like snake videos and like shark attack videos I like made you watch a man get torn apart by a shark in the Red Sea. That was horrifying. I thought I thought about it before I send it to you like you shouldn't send this to anyone and I said I have to send it to Hamilton so I have to like tell them what my plans are for the red sea. And you know you know I'm returned lately I'm getting an influx of this maniac freak athlete that plays for the Reds and you're literally obsessed with this guy. I am. And also has all of Cincinnati it seems like he's just you know Ely delegates called but he's routinely hitting these balls 150 and 120 miles per hour. He was doing it at the minor league level, tearing it up. And it's not just the power, you see the speed with him as well. This play from yesterday is just absolutely ridiculous. It's a routine ground ball to first base and he beats it out. He's doing things that just don't make any sense at all. And he's huge, he's six, five, like none of the stuff this guy's doing makes any sense. And I know people are like, oh, calm down. He just got called up. But I don't know, it's hard not to be excited when you watch this guy because we've never really seen a player like this. It's unique and it's so much fun. And I know all those bangles fans in your mentions are blowing them up and trying to get you on the bandwagon too. For sure. It's so funny when like a Jonas Gray pops on the scene and like even it's like you don't, like it's so celebrated in the NFL. Like we love when like, dearness, like somebody does their thing and like does something crazy. In baseball, it's so like, no, it's just don't. Like I was tweeting about this guy, this kid and this guy, no, Voto, he's still, Likvato, whatever his name is, he's still in charge of the team. He's still the face of the franchise. And I'm like, nobody brought him up. Like he's been playing 90 years, calm down. I'm still getting his name wrong. But you know what, like my mom who speaks Polish and is 72, Gardening, she knows about Ellie because Ellie's hitting 491 feet bombs. Like it's crazy. Let's celebrate the thing. And in that vein and you're talking about Cincinnati, our friend, I mean a legend, Dan Horde, put this tweet out and I thought it was interesting because he started talking about how, you know, Joe Burrow, Ellie, Acosta, like does anybody have more fun in charismatic sports stars than Cincinnati right now? So we were thinking about, you know, obviously Cincinnati, New York is really excited. You got the Giants, we just talked about the Jets with Aaron Rodgers, all of that, Knicks Rangers, all of that, Miami having the time of their life. We have their poster boy, Darius Butler, on our show, The Heat, The Panthers, but which NFL city is sort of going to be the most excited or be taking over the sports world next? What do you think? Quickly. Well, you know, Vegas and Casey are having their moments, but I really think it's gonna be Baltimore, I think, with Lamar and the Fold going forward. Roquan to lead that defense, you see them there throwing out the first pitch on Orioles game, and that brings me to the point. The Orioles are back. They have the second most wins in baseball right now. They have so many Vaughn Young stars, and I feel like they're ahead of schedule. Adley Rushman, Gunnar Henderson, Felix Batista has become the best closer in baseball, and they have, Jackson Holiday hasn't even gotten called up yet, and he might be the best out of all of them, and I know you're a little familiar with that name, Holiday Sounds Familiar. Is that Holiday? Yes, that's my holiday song. Yes. Yeah. Not Holiday. He looked like Steve from the rest in peace to, what's the show I'm talking about? Oh, Jerry Springer Show. Jerry Springer Show, rest in peace to Jerry Springer. He had that, he was like him and Erlacher had a baby, and it was Matt Holiday, and he was bigger than everybody, and nicer than everybody, and he was like so gregarious and wonderful, and that's his kid? That's super fun. I will say, I will meet that, well done by you. I'll say, and Vegas is very interesting, because they're like a requiring more sports teams, and that's a lot of fun. You picked Baltimore, which doesn't have an NBA team. They don't have, like that's a, but they're so passionate about their fan bases, and they like that, and they got the Lamar deal done. We've had so many Ravens on our show, which has been great, Marcus Williams included, Patrick Queen, all those guys, but I'm gonna go with Denver, okay? Cause the Nugs are about to win this thing. They're dominating the NBA finals. Joker, Joker is entering the Goat, Big Man is, nobody wants to say it, but he is, okay? He's entering the greatest in all time, Big Man discussion, no offense, Jack. And you know, they're not, I don't know why we're showing Sean Payton there, hi Sean, but they're not gonna disappear anytime soon, and you know, the Avalanche, they just won what? Last year, sure, they just won another, you know, Stan Kronke vibe, like he's a winner, and now the Broncos have that guy that we just showed Sean Payton on board, okay? I've talked to a bunch of his new players this off season, off the show, on the show, and there's not one person who's like, I don't think it's gonna change. Everyone's like, just wait, just wait to see how he revamps this thing, and what's gonna happen with him running the show there, and all the little details, just for one example, here's Patrick Sartana, what he had to say. Once you go in and meet him and talk with him, you can understand why, you know, he's one of the best coaches just by his personality. So, you know, he acts just like us as kids, but you know, in a good way, in a positive way. So, you know, he's a great coach in general around, but you know, his personality speaks volumes. That smiles, all you need to see, I mean, we've talked to old Saints about it, we've talked to Marcus Williams about it, there's a whole situation, Mark Ingram, everybody, we'll see how it translates on the field, but I stand by this cream jacks, and everyone's so excited. I think Sean Payton might have been the biggest acquisition. Sean Payton is the biggest acquisition, any team made this off-season. I called AJ Brown last year as being the best acquisition before the season even started, and nobody was like, ah, Sean Payton's gonna be the biggest difference maker, and that should be an award, game changer, for a single team, and it should be able to go to a coach, and it should go to Sean Payton. Now, Sean Payton's pretty great, you know who else is pretty great? Pete Carroll, as an NFL coach, how long is he gonna play? Anybody surprised he's going like this? Colton Tate will be joining us on the program, so we'll talk to him about Gino, Matthew Stafford, and all of that, but my BFF is up here, the Man and Woman podcast. Here it is, Darius Butler, K-Adams, after this. Move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move. Move, a nine-year NFL veteran, he's got the moves. I just saw those defensive back in pride of South Florida, which we will get to, and the only person that could possibly know the nanny, or the butler from the nanny, the mysterious butler, how are you? The babysitter, the nanny, the butler, it all makes sense. What up, Kay, good morning. Listen, I'm okay, I'm easy breezy, because I got no stakes in the game. You, my friend, we got a little something to talk about. Your back's up against the wall, DB. Your Florida Panthers in your heat, they're down three-one, respectively, in their final series. How are we feeling going into these Game Fives? Yeah, not feeling great, you know, nobody wants to be down three-one, but these are two teams, the Panthers in the heat, both teams full of dogs, you know, and it starts with their coaching, it starts with the culture. So I think we'll fight, I think we'll extend both of these series, but I got a little more faith in my heat, I must be honest, because those golden nights on the ice, they look like the absolute real deal. Same with Joker, too. And I heard your take earlier, saying he's entering that goat conversation when it comes to the big man. I gotta agree with you. He finishes the championship run with his resume, and of course, we expect him to play a lot longer, but he would definitely be on that Mount Rushmore of centers if he finishes this thing out. It's so true, and I love that you're saying that. You might not have faith in some of these teams, and I like that you think both of them will extend it and win these Game Fives. I have faith in you, because you, my friend, you nailed the first basket bet, and it was a boosted bet, and those are so tough, and those are like, these are just like the toughest bet ever, but it's so fun. It's my favorite one. You picked BAM and you won for our viewers and for our fan duo family, so thank you. And I'm gonna make, I picked Jamal Murray for tonight. Who you got? Oh, I see you switching sides on me. I see that. I see it, but you know what? Let me see the, I'm always looking for a value. Definitely not going back streus. He's been stinking it up so far. You know what? I go to God Wanted. Give me BAM again at plus 550, and shout out to fan duo too for giving us that two for one last time. That was a great, great bet, I think plus 330 it was that. Yeah. But I'll take BAM again, why not? We're running it back with BAM, shout out to Shams and Company as part of our fan duo family. We love to see it. All right, and you guys know who your first basket bets are, guys. Hit us up at Up and Atom. She'll get some of your tweets on the air here. Now, since last time we talked to you, you know, we were throwing around where Dalvin should go if he's released. Then he got released. I mentioned Denver. You were talking about Miami because you'd love to see him there even though they've got a loaded backfield. What are your thoughts now? Is there another team that we aren't giving enough love or thought to about this? Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's a lot of teams that could use Dalvin Cook. Just like I said it last time I was on the program, still in the prime of his career. And I've seen a lot of people echo those sentiments. He's a great player, still in the prime of his career. I thought Ravens could be a good spot. But then I'm going out there at LA with the Rams. Rams obviously got rid of a ton of people. I know Cam Acre is still in the backfield. Another Florida State alum running back, back there. But I think Dalvin Cook and that offense. Everyone, when you think about Sean Payton, when you think about Sean McVeigh's offense, most fans, most people think about the passing numbers and all the records that Drew Brees and Matt Stavra have. But it starts with that run game with both of those offense. The run game, the play-action pass game, all for that run game. So I think Dalvin Cook, in that Rams offense, obviously they need to bounce back year. I think he'll be tremendous for them. I have no clue what the salary cap is for them. No clue what Dalvin Cook wants to be paid. Tough for that running back market. But as far as on the field, I think him and the Rams would be a great match. Should we just accept what's going on at the running back market? And by the way, the Rams, I've not heard anybody connecting the dots to the Rams and it makes a lot of sense and that they would be lucky to have them. We don't know what Matthew Stafford even looks like. Golden Tate's joining the show in a little bit. Maybe he'll have a better idea since they're so close. But there's a bigger discussion here. I mean, I saw over the weekend, Josh Jacobs, I looked at it and I was like, what's going on? He still has not signed his franchise tag. Okay, he sent this tweet out. Sometimes it's not about you. We gotta do it for the ones after us. Man, that's heavy. There's meaning to that. Barkley spoke this weekend about his contract situation, going as far as to say he wouldn't rule out sitting out this season. What do you make of this big money contract to running back situation? Is it over? I mean, it's tough. We saw Levy on Bill kind of derailed his career kind of when he set that year out. So I would hate to see that with any position, especially a running back position. But, say Kwan, former number two overall pick in New York coming off probably one of his best years was healthy. He's not getting paid. Josh Jacobs was leading the league in Russian last year. He's not getting paid. Once again, guys in their prime. So it's tough and it's the market. It's business. What is that market value around a position? Unfortunately, it's not looking great for running backs. The upside of that is, we got two running backs drafting the top 15 this year with Gibbs in Detroit at 12 and then Robinson at eight with the Falcon. So maybe, maybe if they come out and have some great careers early on, it can change some things. But it's tough. It's tough. Part of it is the Super Bowl champions not having 1,000-year-old rushers for how many years in a row. It's a copycat league. So it is tough for those running backs. So if you got kids out there playing football, probably not want to put them in that backfield, put them at quarterback corner, maybe, receiver, because it's tough right now for that running back market. Yeah, quickly. I do want to ask you just about DeAndre to pick one, because I find it hilarious. I mean, Vrabel's like, we're not recruiting, we're not doing it. And he's rolling out the red carpet, the PJ, the mock-ups of him and the whole thing. They need him, the Patriots. He's in the country last night, too, right? Yeah, Tim McGraw, why not? At Nissan Stadium, where he might be running her out and scoring his fantasy points for people. Then you've got him going up to New England, where, I mean, he had beef with Bill O'Brien. They'd have to get over that. Who needs him more? Where does he fit better? DeHop. DeHop, once again, I think a guy with, no, I don't think he's in the same point in his career as other running backs, but a guy that can definitely be using any offense. I would love to see him in like a, with a high-powered quarterback, high-powered offense. So sorry, the Titans, nor the Patriots fit that bill. So give me like Ravens, give me the Bills, give me the Chiefs. I'm talking about whether the good just gets better. So I want him to go to a quarterback, a great quarterback, a great situation, somewhere we can see him on primetime a ton and getting a bunch of targets, but I would not, absolutely would not want to see him with Ryan Tannehill or Mack Jones being his quarterback. No disrespect for those guys. Do you think it's, do you think that Bill O'Brien thing, like, am I reading into it too much? I mean, they really had it out. Yeah, they did, but I think him and he and Bill Belichick have a great relationship. Bill Belichick kind of has that relationship with these great players, especially receivers for some reason. I used to always see him go and talk to Ocho or whoever that other top receiver was on the field. So I think they have a good relationship there. And we know it's the business of football and it's the business of winning. So if the Andre Hopkins was to go on that offense, Bill O'Brien will be the OC and Bill O'Brien is still gonna be Bill O'Brien. He's gonna be empowered by Bill Belichick to be there. So I think the Andre Hopkins, he's a pro and he'll know how to get in where he fits in in that offense. But once again, would not want to see him in that Patriot offense. Mack Jones, I'm sure would love him. He wouldn't need him. They need an upgrade at receiver. But the market doesn't seem too hot for the Andre Hopkins. I'm assuming he wants at least that O'Dell money coming back, so we'll see how that all plays out. Well said by you. We talk a little NBA, we do a little basketball and then we go into the world of like, I have no idea what's going on. And like, we're not gonna talk about tennis, but this thing happened that crossed over into the NFL. Now, Djokovic wins the French Open. It's incredible, beautiful moment, 23rd Grand Slam title, insane. Tom Brady was in his box when it was invited guest and then he gave a shout out to Brady in his speech right after he wins on the court and like Mbappe and a bunch of these like goats that were there, who would be your dream person at an event to then win and give you a shout out? Like what would that look like? To win and give me a shout out? Yeah. That's a hell of a question. Let's go to F1, this helmet. I love F1. Louis Hamilton, I want Louis Hamilton to get a win. And right now, it's been tough. Max Verstappen seems to win every week. But let me get Louis Hamilton out and get a win and say, hey, shout out to DB, man. He always believed in me. So give me Louis Hamilton right now. I did see Djokovic, it's out of the Serbia too. I mean, what's in the water over there right now with him and the Joker doing their thing? But he also gave mom boy a shout out. He already had his jacket already made, talking about visualizing and bringing things into existence. So he's done some great, great things on that tennis court. So shout out to Djokovic. I just love the fact that he'd be like, he'd be like, shout out to my family, to my team, the pit crew, Shakira and like DB, you're always wearing that F1 hat and telling all these like non F1 fans about me. Shout out to you. Man to man podcast. Then he puts on a DB hat and he walks out. That would be amazing. Let's manifest that. My question about this whole thing is, like how does Brady have time to do all of this? And I guess private jets are probably the answer. But and also be on a $300 million dollar yacht. Like when did he fit this little video during the weekend in with Mr. Beast? And this was crazy. What did you make of this? I mean, Brady, look, Brady's got a lot of free time. Like, okay, you know, he's used to being in full go-mode at this point in the year. But now I'm sure he probably, you know, looking around like, damn, what do I do with myself? On a yacht, you know, send this specialized video. That thing with fanatics, what they do to those personalized videos. I mean, those are unbelievable. So Brady hitting the drone out of here. I am interested in how many takes it to Tommy Boy. But, you know, impressive content, either way, but also, shout out to Brady being everywhere, doing everything. I mean, do we not expect him to also be the goat of retirement as well? So I'm sure he's just getting started. I don't know, he's kind of, he's kind of- He's looking younger too. He looked like he might be aging back then. Yeah, there's things that can help with that, for sure, do you? I feel like he's, I feel like he's edging you for top off season. Especially, I mean, floor has got to do their thing. Yeah, it's tough. It's always tough to compete with Brady. It's always tough. But I mean, Messi, since that list came out, I think Messi has came down to Miami as well. So I'm just going to write up that list. Shout out to Messi as well. Question for you, because you knew Brady way back when? And when I was talking to Gotham Chopra, who like made the Man in the Arena docuseries, he's very close with Tom, and he was talking about how, you know, post-retirement, he selfishly loves it because he gets his friend, like, in a way that he never had him. And like, they're, you know, they're talking, you know, it's almost as like Brady was on another planet. He had like the Ricky Lake isolation booth ears on, took him off, came back and was like, Netflix? What, like, like, Postmates? Like, what is this? Like, you know, like Tinder? What? And he's, you know, learning like what the world is in 2023. Did you, or whatever, did you, was he like that way back then? Like, did he block everything up? Because I remember a Brady, a young Brady, he was like out in New York. Like, he met Giselle somewhere, you know, like, he was a, he was a bit of a playboy early in his career. When do you think that switch happened? And what was he like back then? When it came to 100% ball, no time for anything else. I think he was, it's probably always like that. You know, it's a balance, you know, you have your end season, you have your off season. So, when I first became his teammate, it was kind of right before that lockout. And obviously, you know, it was on the different teams and the different leaders to get the teams, you know, together away from the facility and doing their things. And obviously he did great with that. But when it was ball, it was all ball. He was all in regardless of who was on the field, could be offense, could be defense. You know, during special teams, obviously he was probably doing his own thing. But always been locked there, always been a great leader. But then, you know, I didn't hang out with him much off the field, but the guys that did, you always heard, you know, about the stories of him just being one of the guys. And I think once he went to Tampa, we started to see a little more of that. And obviously everybody remembers the Super Bowl celebration. And it's like, okay, this guy's kind of like, you know, he's one of the bros, you know, at the end of the day. And I think we'll see more of that now. You know, he's in his mid-40s at this point. So he's living a different life than he was in his mid-20s. But I think he's always kind of had that balance. And then when it was time to lock in, just like MJ Jordan, he had his own life off the court. And once he got in that building and that facility, it was time to practice. So it was time to play. He was trying to rip your heart out. And I think that's the same with Brady. It's very cool to see him and Mr. Beast I mean, I bet he was like, Mr. Beast? But I bet his kids knew all about it and were all obsessed with him. And that probably made time Brady cooler than anything he's ever accomplished on the field. Like, cool, Super Bowl reigns, fun. But like, Mr. Beast, a drone, you hit a drone, and then a guy, and a drutz, okay, cool. You're a big, you're- It's crazy what makes you cool with kids. The coolest thing that I've done so far with my kids is halftime show, Rihanna, this past halftime performance. I tweeted about it. The tweet made the broadcast in the Super Bowl. And I just made my teenage daughter's life. She showed all her friends, took a screenshot. I'm still getting cool points for that. I love that that's the thing. It's so funny how things- That's the thing. Listen, I've sat in meetings with executives, even recently, like big executives that are decision makers that are like, I'm like, how did you come to this? Like, how did you get interested in acquiring this? Or what? Oh my kid, I just look at what my kid, like I'm looking at what my 18 year old, 11 year old kid's into. And I was like, that's cool. And that's how things happen. And I decided it's a pretty amazing thing. Golf, you're a golf god. So I just hope that your teenage daughter recognizes that at some point. But I was, you know, seeing their signs all over LA about the U.S. Open. It's here, you know, all week long. Did you see this end to the Canadian Open? Okay, this is Canadian Nick Taylor. It's a 72 foot walk-off putt to win in a playoff. What do you think? I mean, the putt, the putt was unbelievable. Musty TV, first Canadian in a really long time. Not really sure the exact year to actually win the Canadian Open. The crowd was electric. But I mean, right after that was even better. That was the best part of it. I think Adam can't remember his last name, coming in, celebrating, giving him the champagne shower and just getting obliterated on the greens like that. Look at this. Oh, he's locked in. I see him. I see him. Well, get off the way, get off the way. Hey, that's good form right there. You got your head. You're protecting the skull, protecting the dough. JJ Watt. It's a great power to bring up through there, looking very JJ Wattish. But I mean, that was very fundamentally sound. Hands up, NFL teach tape right there. So shout out to that security. Just doing his job. You know, just doing his job. But I hope everybody's, I hope everybody's all right. I did not see that. I did not see that. What? Listen, that was the first Canadian to win the Canadian Open since 1954. That was 69 years ago. But what would the equivalent to that of that shot? And of course, we have like the, that's an amazing move. The bellichuck's gonna be putting that in the room, making guys watch this. But what's the equivalent to this happening in the NFL? Like the 72 footer here. Oh man, that's, I don't even know. That would be like an offensive alignment, getting a squib kick and taking it to the house like 72 yards. That would be the equivalent of that. Like something you almost never see happen. That's something you just wanna get it close enough to get a nice two putt. But 70, I think that's the longest putt. Longest walk-off putt ever for him. And then longest putt of his career, I believe as well. So, I mean, unbelievable right there from Nick Taylor. Darius Butler can talk all sports. That's the thing. The most versatile, the most versatile DB we know. We listen, we're going on hiatus. We're gonna be, I hate the word hiatus. We gotta stop saying it. We're going on vacay at the end of this week. Enjoy your summer. We love you. We love working with you. And we will talk to you soon. We'll see you on other side. We'll see ya. Good luck to your Florida teams. I don't wanna be picking up those pieces and wiping up those tears. Golden Tate, learn how to use Zoom. We'll be back after this on Up and Atoms. You know why me. Golden Tate does what he does so well. He's on the field, but he's got pickleball going on. He's golfer. We gotta get to our next guess. A Super Bowl winning wide receiver who played 11 years in a league winning the Super Bowl with the Seahawks. He got the Lions, the Eagles, the Giants. Currently, listen, I gotta tell you, my friend, Golden Tate, and good morning to you, Yak King. I just got a text from a decade-long NFL veteran who just said, Golden Tate is the golf god. Is that true? Oh, that is, that's big words right there. I wouldn't say golf god, but maybe the prince right now. How's the handicap looking? You know, it's like a five right now. It's a sweet spot where I wanted for the games that I play in. We just actually came off of our member guest tournament this past weekend. I hear. Where we earned second in our flight, which is not good enough for our standards. See, that's why so many teams loved you. That's why you won a Super Bowl because you have that sort of mentality. Golden, how are you? I'm good. I'm just trying to dominate dad life and pickleball life and golf life, and it's good. Huh, pickleball life. Listen, I moved to LA, Golden. I don't love it because maybe I need to get into pickleball, which everyone is obsessed with. It's all anybody talks about. There's courts popping up in driveways in Brentwood. Like it's so insane. Michael Phelps, Kevin Durant, they just invested in Major League pickleball. Sell me on why this is cool. Look, I was never a big fan of like going to the gym and like working out, but it was my job, so I had to do it, but I wanted to get a sweat, burn calories, move around, and I feel like this is a great sport to do that, but also be social, meet people, and then you don't walk away being sore for like two days. Like as when I was a kid, I wanted to, you know, when I was young, I wanted to go play basketball in off seasons and then I would golf as well, but as you got older, like I couldn't do that. My knees would be achy for three to four days and so pickleball entered my life and I played ping pong growing up and just kind of started doing that. And funny story is I learned pickleball back in 2010, my rookie year, my girlfriend at the time, my wife now, she had a court at their house and I looked down, I'm like, why do y'all have a halfway tennis court? Like why not? You can do it, do it right. And they say, no, no, no, it's pickleball. I said, what is pickleball? Who named something pickleball? And they gave me this wooden paddle and a waffle ball and I'm like, and my mom, like this sport is stupid. Like why would anyone ever play it? But we ended up playing and I had some fun. Fast forward to years later moving to San Diego, it started popping up everywhere and I started getting more serious and now it's like how I want to spend my time. It's amazing and you know, it is a little dangerous. You're selling me on how cool it is. And listen, you used to dodge the baddest cornerbacks on the field, but apparently like the net is public enemy number one. I mean, why take me through this? You know, I was trying to be pro like athlete. And yeah, and it didn't go so well. Maybe I lost a step and the net is one and GT is zero. Yeah, we love to see, listen, we gotta say, we love you playing golf, we love pickleball and that's incredible and you sold me on it and it's just a great way to meet people it sounds like. So I'll be into that. We gotta talk a little NFL here because I can't wait to just get in your brain about a couple of these topics. The Seahawks, let's just start there. I cannot believe, it's been like 10 years. It's been 10 years since you were there, 2013 is the last year. So now you have, when I think of that, I think of nothing but Pete Carroll. The dude is 71 years old. He probably routing people up, playing pickleball out there. He's still working his magic. Last year, everyone was talking, rebuild how much longer will he play and then he goes and makes the playoffs with Gino Smith. Golden, why aren't you surprised that he's still coaching and winning at this age in Seattle? You know, because him and Josh Snyder have just been a awesome combo since I got there. I came in the same year they did and they just have, if you look at them, traditionally over the last decade or more, they draft well and that's the biggest thing and they're all connected from the top to bottom and everything is a partnership there and you just get guys buying in and your drafties are developing to be really good players, all pro bowler type of guys and then they bring in some guys like Diggs and Jamal Adams, if he's healthy and they can just, they can fly. I think, I personally think the Seahawks have a chance to win the division this year. I do too, I'm picking them. I'm going to pick them. I feel like they almost might be favorites. I mean, if you look at it, like, Gino has showed up and, will he have the same year he had last year? Maybe, maybe not. We're hoping so. But look, they're filling so many holes on defense with the draft and then they brought in Julian Love who's a smart versatile safety. They brought in what Draymond Jones who's going to get to the quarterback and that's where they struggled last year on defense and get into the quarterback and if you can get there with their motto of running the ball, they're going to be all right. I love to hear that you say that. Now, when you look at Pete Carroll, you know, I'm trying to think who's the division winner. It kind of comes down to quarterback and coaching, right? When you're trying to make those calls this early in it. Is Pete Carroll the best coach in the NFC West? McVay? I believe so. Kyle? I believe so. Why? Yeah. Just what he's done consistently over, I see, the last 13 years. I mean, they have been right there every single year in the one year that they was a rebuilding year they snuck in to the playoffs and then earned them and traded Russell away and earned what I think they had like nine draft picks in this draft. Yeah. Two first runners, two seconds. I mean, that is just genius to me. And so they're always right there and they're consistent every single year. Now, we wish we would have had a few more Super Bowls, but it is what it is. It is what it is. Maybe they get there this year. Who knows that NFC is like easy pickings. It looks like your former quarterback in Seattle, Russell Wilson, I looked at what you, if you had any thoughts about him watching him sort of struggle in Denver. You were on the podcast. You said something about like he's lost his confidence, like the confidence in the quarterback we had at the helm. I'm not seeing that guy. And he had a tough year objectively, right? And there were some, some stories that leaked out of the locker room, special treatment. He had a private office. As you're watching him last season struggle, what is going through your head? You don't feel bad, man. He's been on top of the world for the majority of his career and his time in Seattle just expired. I mean, it was his time for Seattle to go a different way and him to go a different way from whatever differences they had. And Denver went and gave away the entire bank for him and for him to get there with so many expectations, feeling so much pressure and not be able to perform. I know that, I know that really crushed him. However, the Russell Wilson I know is working his tail off this off season. And him partnering with Sean Payton, I think, is going to be magical. Russell Wilson, one of his mentors is Drew Brees. Drew Brees and Sean Payton were together a long time. I can see this really, I can see them really turning it around. They have players around them. Now, they can't let the pressure of what's going on get to them because there's a lot of pressure on Russell and Sean Payton considering what they have given up for these two guys. I mean, there's not too many times I've heard trades and there's a coach involved, right? So if they can get over that, I feel like they're going to be fine. Now, unfortunately, the division they're in is very, very, very tough and full of star quarterbacks. We know quarterbacks and coaches' combinations are kind of a winny recipe. But I think they're going to have a fighting chance and he's definitely going to have a much better year than he did last season. I think so, too, is a really tough division. But I think you're right if Sean Payton, you know, when you say the thing about not eating the pressure of it, like Sean will not, Sean will not feel pressured and he'll hopefully fix some of those things there. So Russell Wilson and those guys can have a better year. Now you're a baseball guy. You're not just a pickleball guy. You're not just a football guy. You're not just a golf god, says Darius Butler. Oops, but you are a baseball guy, right? You could have played professionally. I want to get your reaction to this video that circulated this weekend. Jalen Hurts, big ticket item, got paid a bag and he, you know, he's at Devante Smith's charity softball game. First of all, what do you make of the play? First off, he ain't got no business sliding. Talk to me. None. No, I played in the charity softball event when I was in Detroit and I was playing shortstop and I threw a ball in the home play to get, try to get a guy out and I accidentally hit him in the head. Like so many things were wrong and that would have been awful. Nice greedy going into home, home play. That's nice, but just gotta really be careful. Stay on your feet. Yeah, putting it all on the line in a celebrity softball game, probably the bloody chin. Eagles fans can't be happy to see that. Here's another thing. You were like the king of celebrations, Golden. Literally, we're watching him this morning. So fun. Can you believe the grit? Listen, the Macarena, the Nene, the Sting. Those things all fell off. The grittiest still alive. How long is the gritty gonna live? I think as long as Justin Jefferson's around, it's gonna live at this point. I've really been disappointed in the touchdown celebrations since my departure of the NFL. I need more creativity. I need more out of there from these guys. And speaking of celebrations, my son came up here a moment ago and was doing some dances trying to distract me. Where is he? And now he's on a peloton. Come here, son. Come here, bud. Give us a little something. Come here. I'll still up. He's on a peloton. Here's what I think it should be. Ready? I think players should, I think Justin Jefferson, or not Justin Jefferson. Players who you just called out should walk up and bend over and pretend that they hit a pickleball net like you would to pay homage. Okay, funny person. Oh my gosh, Golden. He's so cute. Thank you. This is Golden Fourth. This is my little joke right here. Back to you, Kay. Anyway, trying to throw shade. I woke up this morning thinking like, yeah, there needs to be a pickleball celebration, but not going into the net, Kay. Something with a pickle. I don't know what that would be. We'll workshop it. You and I will figure it out. Golden, I love you. It's good to see you. Much love to you and your family. Go master dad life golf pickleball celebrations. I mean, and you figured out the entire Bronco situation. We love you. Golden Tate, everybody. We'll be back. Bye. All right, let's do it. First basket bets is an up and downs thing over at Fandall Sportsbook. I picked Jamal Murray. Here's who you guys picked all over the place. Okay, we're Gordon. Lots of LeBron and Joker. You guys can check out all the odds. And the value over at Fandall Sportsbook, Darius Butler said the value was bam. He's running it back. I'm saying it's Jamal Murray. Hamilton, who you got? Quick. I'm going Michael Porter Jr. He's had a rough series, but I think he gets to go on tonight. Starts it off. I'm sorry. You can't pick Ellie Cruz for this one. Barton, who you got? I got Aaron Gordon. Who you got? I'm gonna go with Bam. I'm with Darius. Eric's with Bam. Who you got? Conrad. Jamal Murray. Jamal Murray. All right, first basket tonight. Game five. Congrats to the Nuggets for winning the finals. And to Stan Cronkey, Avalanche, Rams and no Nuggets. The trifecta. We'll be back tomorrow. Thanks Golden Tate and thanks Darius Butler.