 All right, Dave. So we'll get started if everyone's all set. All right, we're good to go. Thanks so much. Good morning. This is the convening of Massachusetts Gaming Commission and we're holding this meeting virtually, so we will do our roll call. Good morning, Commissioner Bryant. Good morning. I'm here. Good morning, Commissioner Hill. Good morning. I'm here. Good morning, Commissioner Skinner. Good morning. And good morning, Commissioner Maynard. Good morning. All right, we'll get started. Today is public meeting number 150. It's a agenda-setting meeting and we'll get right started with our minutes. I'm going to need one second on that to pull those up. I'm actually having some difficulties pulling it up. I apologize. That's okay. Commissioner Maynard, would it be more helpful for us to continue and we'll just circle back two minutes? There's no pressure, right? Commissioner, you're all set. Okay. The old secretary would never have had these issues. Did you say, did you say old, Commissioner Hill? Did you say, was the emphasis on the old or former? Commissioner Maynard, got your back. Got your back. Okay. We'll move on then to item number three and we'll circle back to the minutes. Just on scheduling, we'll go back. Right now, Ray's has got us with our meetings through August 30th and then she also went ahead and started to look at September. Does it make sense now before we start going through our different items from the team that they want to schedule versus the September dates as well? Grace, why don't you, why don't you, if you're, oh, if you're available. I know that Grace has an appointment too. I'm okay. She has them, gave them to me. So for going into September, September 7th would be the first Thursday for a public meeting. This is if we assume our two-week cadence commissioners. Then Wednesday, September 13th, agenda setting, Thursday, September 21st, public meeting and September 27th, Wednesday, agenda setting. We also wanted to note that yesterday we worked to address the category two application and apparently August 18th is right now the only date that would work for all parties. I think August 16th didn't work for IEP and I think it was going to be tricky also for our commissioners who are coming back from their conference. We are concerned and I know we had a motion yesterday in a vote that it be no later than August 18th, but I'm wondering commissioners too if we could think about if we need a second date in the event that August 18th isn't complete, then on our next public meeting perhaps we could include on that agenda a short item to just possibly extend it if we need another date and that would be for August 21st, 22nd, 23rd and 25th although I think maybe when commission may be on vacation, but I'm not sure about flexibility, but we were a little bit concerned about what everything get done on that Friday the 18th. So those are date issues. Commissioners, do you want to weigh in now? Do you want to give some time on the circle back for the category two item? I can weigh in. I think I'm the only one not available largely that week. I did have a discussion with Grace and I indicated that I will make myself available during my vacation as long as it is a carryover date and not a full day of discussion. So if we're talking about a few hours, two or three, and again I can be flexible, but I would prefer not to be available for an entire day during a vacation week. Yeah, and I fully appreciate that. Commissioner Skinner, so and I thank you for that flexibility. What we could try to do too is if we decide on a carryover date, which of those dates you'd prefer and then what hours of the day you prefer, because depending on what your vacation plan is, morning may be better, morning may not be better. So I'd love for you to think about that. But I just think Grace raised a good point that discussion, that matter could extend beyond the 18th and we don't have any dates apparently that are available otherwise in advance of August 18th. Okay, so we'll move on and circle back to that as well. So August 8th, that's our reg meeting. Carrie and Caitlin and Todd, we have an administrative update, but I think it would be brief because I think the focus is regulations, correct? Yes, good morning. So we will have 205CMR, 138, 238, 247, 248, and 257 on meeting. Carrie, could you please repeat those? Yeah, of course, 138, 238, 247, 248, and 257. Okay, and then we might have a brief administrative update from you, Todd. And then we have a standing item, but this is really a meeting dedicated to regulations. So for sports wagering, unless it's an urgent, urgent matter, we would wait till the next public meeting, Bruce. We have a couple of house rules and I believe two events, things that are on there. But there is one item that those could go on a different date, but there's an item that one of our waivers expires on 810, and it's a brief item, but they're looking for an extension. So if we could get it on that August 8th date, that'd be ideal. And then it would be reviewed before the end date. That would work. And then we would just deal with all sports wagering matters at the next full public meeting that we're going to get to shortly. Okay. I think that's the most urgent one. So one waiver. Okay. Thanks, Crystal. I'll get that to Grace. Okay. Thanks. And Carrie, you'll make sure that Grace gets all the, those red numbers. I didn't know them. She's listening, but she's taking care of another individual right now at a doctor's appointment. Understood. Okay. Great. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Oh, Commissioner Hill, I think Grace also thought you might want, by the 8th, add a brief legislative update, or do you want to wait till the end, the regular 17th, which was your preference? Either one would be fine, actually. I think we've all been kind of updated on what's been going on. So it would be very brief. Okay. So we'll include it there just because it'll be more timely. And I think too, maybe Grace and the legal team will circulate an email so that everybody is all hearing the same thing. Okay. All right. Then we're moving right on to August 17th. Oh, in August 16th, we'll have another agenda study meeting. August 17th is our, our full public meeting. So just a little off cadence. And then we'll start with an administrative update. Todd, I don't know. Commissures, if there's anything in particular that you want to hear on an issue, any division, you know, always feel free to ask Todd to give that update. This is a very busy meeting. So it wouldn't necessarily be a full, big presentation, but always remember that you can, you know, make sure that Todd is updating us at these meetings. Okay. We'll have minutes. Ledge update is scheduled, but we'll flip that unless there's another one. We'll just keep it as a standing right now. Regulations. Karyn, Katelyn will those be all attended to the 8th? I think we might hold some space for rollover if necessary, but we'll know if we need that after the 8th. Okay. Excellent. And then sports wagering. Crystal, Bruce? Yes. The house rules and two events. And we already have the quarterly reports scheduled for that day. Right. And, Crystal, I guess that this is important for us to understand because it could be quite time-consuming. And so I wanted to speak with the commissioners about it. How many are ready to go for the 7th? They've all so far stated they're available that day. I know that, you know, that's 8. So that's a lot. Granted, they're very brief, but being this is the first round. You may want more time for questions or evaluating those reports. That's up to you. But at this point, everyone's stated they were available for you guys. So you say 8. I just want to make sure that includes the 5 untethered. There's the 4 untethered and 4 tethered. Yeah. Well, right. Because of the 2 that are not launched yet. Yep. Okay. So, I mean, if you want to split them up a particular way, I can look into that. If you were looking to move them, I just have to make sure they were available. But that's certainly something I could look into. Right now, they are, I think, so sorry. I was just going to say, if it's 20 to 30 minutes apiece, that could be lengthy. But, you know, I don't know what timelines you guys are looking at. Well, I'll tell you my immediate feelings when I heard that they might be all the same day. I did think that's quite a bit of reports for the commissioners to digest if they go 20 minutes and there are 8 of them in a row. Commissioners, we can go through the rest of the day and think about it. We could also consider if Crystal feels comfortable suggesting another date in due for 4. I'm just going to turn to you. Commissioner Skinner, you've got your microphone off. I was just going to add that I recall discussing that at the last agenda setting that that might be a possibility. And I think we actually reserved time at the meeting after the 17th for that purpose. Yeah. I think you thought you had requested whether you might move, but I never heard. And I could certainly look into who's available for that date. Although, as I look now, it might be also a very busy date. So that's up to you guys. But certainly whatever you prefer, we can look into. Okay. Can we just right now keep it on a soft hold on the 17th and let's go through the rest of the 17th and think about what's the healthy length of a meeting. Okay. And then we can roll them over. Do we have any timeframe in our bag that we need to that we need to address? No, no, this is just part of more of a process that you have done in the past as opposed to a regulatory component, just the quarterly reports. So you can review that. I do know and I don't know if he's on. I was looking. I thought that Joe had reserved his quarterly reports for the 24th and that's why we were concerned about the 24th. So I just wanted to make sure we don't. There's no issue with reviewing all of them, but then you've got theirs that time too. So. Well, I was actually thinking of a September date to maybe continue. Yeah. Okay. Then yeah, we can certainly look into once this is set, what other day I could present as options for a couple of them. Yeah. And Mary, you were going to pop in that we gave the 17th and then 24th to PPC. PPC indicated the 17th was better for them, but that they were flexible. So whatever the commission decides today is the day that I'll put forth for their quarterly reports. And then they have two other matters they need to discuss. Okay. Let's let's go through the 17th because it is a very wholesome meeting. There will be, I'm just going to skip number six for a second. Mark, I think I see Dr. Andrews. Good morning. Bonnie has at the ad hoc research item. Do you want to go over that with us first, Dr. Andrews? Oh, yes, absolutely. So we're going to be presenting potential topics for an economic ad hoc report for FY 24. And then sort of have a little discussion and a vote on which topics the commit, which topic the commissioners would like to have as the focus of that report. And we, I was going to advocate to have that as early in the agenda as possible because we were hoping to have representatives from UMass available to answer questions if there were any questions, even though it would be Mark and I who would be presenting the possible topics for that report. Okay, I'm going to, I'm hearing you on the first part. And how long do you think this will take? Approximately, I was talking to Grace about it yesterday, probably around half an hour, I would guess. Okay. And then we've got to figure out the timing because we have so many external parties. So if you could just hold on your second request, then I'll turn now to you, Director Lillios. Good morning, Loretta. This is a continuation. Good morning, Executive Session Commissioners that we started. And we do have the benefit of guests for that. So I need to know their schedule. And I think that's our priority for scheduling. So that's great. Thank you. They are all aware of the date and are generally holding the date. But they would really appreciate a specific time frame on that date. I think they'll make themselves available for whatever works for the commission. But I'm sure they're grateful that you're thinking of your schedules. So commissioners, then we have the item on the number eight on vote on the interim IEB director would be a motion and a vote. And then the process question on the Executive Director hire, I think eight might go, I'm sort of guessing very quickly, nine may be a longer discussion. If we do all eight presentations, that could hover around four hours, right? To to to an hour correct crystal. And if we're lucky a little bit under four hours, I would think it's less. I've asked them to keep their slides, which are very there's only a few. So I've asked them to keep them to 10 minutes, but I want you guys to have time to inquire. So that's why I've said 20 to 30. So I guesstimated about three to three and a half. But that is just, you know, knowing how the first round might go. And as you remember, crystal's pretty good on timing. So so three and a half hours, if we do them all, the I think we're going to have a full some discussion with the red and G. E. U. and the three casinos. Yes, commissioner, help me out. I'm going to try and help you out. I don't think we need to do them all on one day. But let's be honest, we've done the others, our casinos, we've done them separately, separate days. There's no need to do them all on one day. You guys all agree. And then maybe even the early September day, if that would work for them. I think the first one is September 7. I don't know, commissioners, how that date looks for you. But that sounds good. A little bit more reasonable. I think so. I'll just follow up with Grace to get those dates so that I can propose the right dates. But do you want to split them into two meetings or are you proposing three? What would you prefer? Two works, right? So that Crystal can get it done. How about two? What do you think? My only suggestion is if we can do it before get them in before September 7, because that's when the NFL starts. And I'd like to get an update before the NFL, because I think we're going to see two different updates, to be honest with you, after the NFL starts. So just a suggestion. So September 24th, we could maybe roll them over to that. Let's do that tentatively, Crystal, because Commissioner Hill raised a good point, but we don't really have another date unless we tack it on to the August 24th. The following one? Otherwise, we'd have to tack it on to the agenda-setting meeting. That's not when people are out. I just don't know. I'll follow up with Grace. She is actually messaging me. She said she'll get me the dates. She's listening, everyone. And I thank you for your dedication, Grace. Okay. I'm suggesting it be done before September 7, but certainly not a hard date. And if we have to roll it over after that, I just think putting so many on one meeting is just not a good thing for us. I agree. I think the first day, it would be September 7th. It would be September 7th, as opposed to any later, then. Yeah. Understood. All right. Thank you. Commissioner Brown, you all right with all that? Okay, great. I think it's not Commissioner Maynard-Shake, not his head, Commissioner Skinner. Okay. So back to the 17th. Is everybody all set with that? Then if we just minimize down to half of those reports, and then I think I'll have Grace work with you, Loretta, to see which is best for all of your parties, and then she'll work with Crystal and Bonnie on getting the time. I think what's most important is for people to know when they can expect, and we can be a little flexible, if need be. Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. I do want to remind the commission about another recurring item for whenever you can fit it in that FERC is available to do casino updates. There will be, by the 17th, there will be some updated numbers on the DOR intercepts, which is always an interesting number. So when you feel like you can add that in, that would be a short item for those updates. Right. For Madam Chair? Yeah. Just something while we're doing the 17th and the 24th, if you could consider, we do have one community that needs a commission to make a determination. They've requested to change their use of their community mitigation funds. So it needs to come before the commission for approval. It should only be maybe a five-minute discussion. It's not a complicated matter, but it is something we have to put before the commission. And Mary, did you say it would work also for the 24th or must it be? Yes. Whenever it's convenient for you, I just wanted to, you know, if you have a spare five minutes somewhere that we can have a little discussion about this, it'd be appreciated. I think what I'm going to suggest is that we hold it to the 24th. Remember, commissioners? That's fine. We've got the 18th, which will be a really long meeting. And I'm just trying to preserve not only us, but also the team members, you know, with these long meetings. So we'll do the 17th. I know PPC is being flexible somewhat. They would prefer the 17th. They are going, and I'm sure it's because they're getting tied in on the 17th for a couple of other things. But I think I'm going to yield to the 24th for them on their casino presentations. It's probably good to kind of separate them. But that makes sense just because we're trying to save time on the 17th. And I think I have an asterisk from Grace on this point. So I'm going to, I'm going to take, I'm going to listen to Grace because she's the expert on right now, thinking about timing. Okay. All right. Anything else so that the team must go on the 17th? All right. And Burke, we do want those updates. So we'll be thinking about you as we go forward. Okay, then on the 24th, administrative update. Let's think about whether you want to hear from Burke then. We'll actually sorry, Madam Chair, I'll actually be on vacation that week. So administrative update will be difficult. Okay. I'm actually way under 17th also. I'm sorry. Okay, then that's we won't be hearing from you. And if there's an any administrative update that has to come forward, Todd, I'm sure you can assign it to somebody, right? Of course. Sure. Okay. Then we'll have meeting minutes. I don't know if we'll have a legislative update. We'll just keep it in for now. Regulations. And if you want to hold that space, I presume so. Yes, we anticipate having two regulations coming back on the 24th. So we're discussing the 24th, the meeting on the 24th. Yes, I'm sorry, Commissioner Skinner. Yeah, we've gone from August 17th now to August 24. And the question will be how busy August 24th is in terms of what we add in. So far, not heavy. Sports, weight training, crystal, Madam Chair. Oh, sorry, Commissioner Skinner. I think Burke said he was away on August 17th. And so I'm wondering if we could have that casino update on August 24th, if he is available on that day? I guess I'm sorry. I think Todd said it wasn't going to be an administrative update. So I thought we were going to hold on that, Burke. But if Todd says that you can go ahead and do an administrative update on the casinos, that would work for us if there's time. My apologies. Yeah, I can do that on the 24th, if you'd like to view the casino update and present that DOR fiscal year numbers. And Todd, is that okay? That sounds great. And Burke can do the whole administrative update. I'll get him some good information. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Well, so I apologize too, because when Todd, when you said you were not available, I thought you were also speaking about August 17th. Oh, no, I apologize. I'm just at that last week of August. But otherwise, I'm available. So I don't want to go out of, I don't want folks to feel like we need to go out of order here. So we can certainly wait until Todd returns to get for Burke to give the casino update, if that's preferable. I just, I'm just interested in having one sooner rather than later. It's been a few meetings since we've heard from the gaming world. So as long as we get it in soon, I'm satisfied. From my perspective, the 24th sounds great to me. I mean, I think Burke and I are in communication all the time. And I'm sure he'll, we can get all the download on what he'll be speaking to. Yeah. And the 17th was just too busy for Burke anyway. But you're out anyway, Burke. So the 17th, Todd is out the 24th. So I thought we might move it to September, but we can absolutely go forward. I'd love to hear from Burke on the 24th. We're all set for that. Thanks. Thank you. Okay. So for sports wagering, Bruce. Yep. My guess is we will have more house rules by then. So I would like to leave that item pending. Right. And then as we think about the 24th, let's think, do we have Crystal bring in any of those reports on the 24th, the quarterly reports for the category three, or do we hold to September? Next, we have the continuation of our discussion on CMF and Mary, are you covering today for Joe? Maybe hi. Yes, I am. Okay. So do you know what Joe has in mind for that? Yeah. For when we want to come before the commission for further discussion? That's on the 24th right now. But how much time would he need, et cetera? I would say 15 minutes to half hour. It may not even be that long. It depends. I would give us a half hour. Commissures. Okay. So he'll be all set for that. Your team? Yep. Okay. I think that that's really important for the timing, too, for the rest of your schedule, if I recall. Yes, it is. Yeah. Commissures. All right. Director Lilias, the PPC has a request. Yes, that's right. That's for the opening of the new sports book chair. So Burke is working with the team there to have that ready for your presentation. The commission needs to approve that area because it's now being converted to a gaming area. There may be a related beverage license amendment that's involved in that, too. The licensing division is checking to see whether that's something that has to go before the commission or whether it's like an administrative name change of the area that the division can handle. But that team is working on that. I know the property hopes to open that area beginning of September. So, you know, all efforts are being made to on their side and on the IB side to have that ready on the 24th. Looks like we've got Andrew here, too. Andrew, do you want to add in? No, that's that's exactly correct. What the writer said in early September. I know they're looking at a soft opening, I believe September 6th, right before the end of October 2nd. There you go, Commissioner Hill. Thumbs up. Okay. And legals remind us of all the standards for that, of the expansion request. How much time will that? What do you think, Andrew, Burke, half an hour, 20 minutes, half an hour? For the presentation, I would give an hour. Okay. And am I right? Todd and legal team, there's, we have to go through the analysis on expansion here. Is it simpler in this case? This is, I think it's a simpler, you're really more amending the floor plan, which is a little bit different than amending the boundary of the gaming establishment, which is far more complicated. Okay. Thanks. Any questions on that? It's good news. All right. And then quarterly reports. Then this is Mary again. 24th, we'll have PPC and MG. I believe it's MG. Our notes, Grace's notes have on-core marrying. On-core. I'm sorry. No. Okay. And then you said MGC maybe requested a September date. Yep. Daniel's on vacation, I think. Yes. Yeah. MGM had requested that we do it in September because Daniel's on vacation for the month of August. Okay. He's back in England. All right. So you work with Grace on that September date? Yep. Okay. Any questions? So right now, two quarterly reports. It's pretty light. It's pretty light. We're going to include our update from Berg. Do you want to roll the sports wagering category three presentations into this and do two quarterly reports from the casinos and four category three reports so that they're done in advance of September? It's up to you, commissioners. If it fits, absolutely. I do like having two of them a day though. Say it again, Commissioner Hill. I do like having two on a meeting and not four. Well, it's the four category three because there's eight. Yeah. It's understood. Yeah. And then it's two casinos. So it's become six. I'm turning to the commissioners that, you know, we can, we could do two. And then another two in September, but that's a little bit more for Crystal to manage. I would prefer that. Okay. Crystal, you want to do that? She kind of shrugged her shoulder, so you okay with that? So you want two on the 24th and then the roll. Are you saying you want the two licenses? All I am moving is to the seventh. That's actually not hard to manage. I thought you were saying you want two more on the 24th and then two more on the seventh. I think we're going to do four on the 17th, right? And then four. I think four or two and two. I think Commissioner Hill just said two and two. Does that work? Or is that harder to manage for you, Crystal? I mean, it's really just going to be finding out the availability and then placing them. So it's really not difficult. I just want to make sure I'm understanding. So it would be three different dates for the reports. Yes. Okay. Perfect. I'll basically just find out their availability and tell them when they're going to fit based on that. August 17th, August 24th, and September 7th. That would be great. Okay. I'm not hearing from Eileen or Jordan, but everyone's all set with that. I'm fine with that. And Commissioner Skinner, you're all set with that? Yeah. I'm fine with that. I mentioned earlier in the meeting that I'm on vacation that week. So if, you know, eliminating or dropping down from four to two on those shortens the meeting time, I'm with it. So August 24th is part of that. Because that was a set. I'm sorry. That did escape me because it's been on our meeting schedule. Yeah. No. And I anticipated making myself available for that meeting. I had always planned to do that, which, you know, is all the more reason why, you know, I was insistent earlier not to have to be available for another full day that week for the MGA matter. We'll take that into consideration. Crystal, right? Okay. And then two quarterly reports, floor expansion. Maybe we'll do the PPC presentation. I think Commissioner Skinner, you're probably going to be particularly interested in hearing that one. So maybe you can talk with Grace about the order. If you did, you know, decide to leave the meeting earlier or whatever, what things you would really want to hear. Of course, I know you want to hear it all. So yeah, don't worry about me. I, this has been on the schedule for months. So I anticipated the meeting and it's fine. Okay. And but I'll just, I'll have you and Grace coordinate. And then also if it makes sense to start at a particular, an earlier hour, like nine or whatever. Okay. Thanks. Okay. 24. And now gender setting will be on August 30. We're now turning to matters for under review. And for matters on September 7, we know that we're going to have at least a couple category three reports. We'll turn to the under review matters unless team, there's something that needs to be heard on the 24th that we haven't heard. Okay. I love keep on a review pressure him. Yes, please. Okay. We shall Brian compliance committee. That's still under review. Okay. HMCA compliance, the update, do you enjoy pressure scanner? Keep that under review, please. Okay. We still need a vote. Apparently, Dr. light down. Oh, there you are. Good morning on that escrow. Yeah, I think Derek had gotten some information just a day or two before we had had the hearing earlier, the meeting about it and Judy was going to circle back on a couple of items as well. I'm not sure if Judy's if Judy's on if she wants to comment. Hi, Judy. Hi there. Good morning. Sorry. I am looking into a few items just in regard to municipal approval and 13 a. So I'm hoping to finalize the application. Kind of just comb out some nits and then circulate it amongst the commissioners and Dr. light on one more time and then we'll upload it to the website and have it ready for public comment. Probably prior to the August 24th meeting. This is on the escrowing. Oh, I apologize. I'm sorry. I was a few more down. Yeah. So that one, if I can be so bold to switch topics, that one I am still doing a little bit more research on the collateral approval from the secretary's office and I would like to meet with Derek to discuss it before we get back, get it back in front of the commissioners for another vote. So that can remain under review. I think it would be best for now. Okay. All right. All things racing this morning. That's okay. Thank you so much. All right. So we'll just stay tuned on that. Dr. Lightbaum keep it under review for now. Yeah. The 90 day audit. We're waiting to wrap up two more of the reports and then that will be done. Okay. So do you want to put it on for a date now? Just keep it under review. With one, I think I'm not quite sure when the total completion date is because they didn't use the licensed people to do the report. So I will know Monday when that will be done. So leave it under review to our next meeting. Thanks. Thanks, Bruce. Okay. Commissioner Maynard, the delegation authority. Director Grossman has circulated a newer version from the previous version and Dr. Lightbaum has reviewed. I'm tweaking a couple of things, but it should be ready for the earliest date that you're ready for. What do you think? September 7th? Do you want to put it on? That's fine. Does that sound good? I'm looking to make sure Dr. Lightbaum is okay with that, but I... Yeah. That sounds good. Okay. And that will join the, okay. Three reports. Okay. Dr. Lightbaum, thank you. Now, Dr. Anges. Hello. So for the economic impact reports, I think at least one of them should be ready to be presented in September. I know that at one point we had talked about having both of the reports presented in the same meeting, but I was wondering if it would be... We were talking about it and the focus of one of the reports is on all three casinos. The focus of the other report is on Encore Boston Harbor operations. So we were thinking it might be more appropriate to present them in two separate meetings versus rolling them into one presentation, if that makes sense. And I was wondering what the commissioners thought about that idea. Commissioners? Works for me. Yeah, that would be fine. Okay. Thumbs up from Commissioner Bryan and Commissioner Skinner. Great. Makes good sense. Thank you, Dr. Anges. I think the impact will be improved too. We'll be able to digest it all nicely. Thank you for your good work. Excellent. Thank you. Okay. So you'll work with Grace on the dates that will work for your schedule on those. Okay. Thanks. And for your presenters. All right. Dr. Leipzig, do we still have five requests from PPC? Yeah. Those are on hold now with Steve having his accident. So we'll leave them under review still. Thank you. Okay. And we convene them both. You need something. Bruce, I know that restriction by operator. I don't remember this. Yeah. I got a touch base with Sterl and he was working on that. So it's still under review at this point because I have to get the stuff that he had worked on from him still. Okay. So that's in transition. Got it. Thank you. And then Director Lillias, that cashless wagering PPC matter. Yeah. So I'd like to keep that under review. Our team has been working internally with the legal division on the regulatory aspect and with the IT division on the technical aspect. I understand on the legal side, there have been some challenges. I need to loop back and get the status on that. It is something that the licensee wants to move forward on, but it appears we need to do more work on it internally. So it should remain under review for now. And I'll work in the days ahead to get a firmer status on what any issues are that we need to try to resolve. Okay. And then the final item, the racing application to stop the comment, correct? That was the one that Judy spoke about earlier. So leave it under review for now. Everybody caught that before that that's what Judy was referring to. Sorry about that. I got out of order. But so yes, just to round that out, I'm doing a little bit more research on how we can beef up that section of the application in terms of final review or final approval, excuse me, for section 13A. And I would like to have that back under a meeting, perhaps August 24th, I think it would be best. Sorry, there are children in my background. So yes, I think that that would give us enough time to make those finalizations and edits circulated to commissioners for one last look and then posting it online for a couple of weeks for comment and then bringing it back before the commissioners on the 24th for finalization. Perfect. So it's not right now yet out for comment. Quite. I think I would just, I want to be sure in terms of the terminology that we use on the question. And I think I would just like to go back through 13A and some collateral law for a little bit, a little bit more. Okay. My apologies for getting that wrong. Okay. Commissioners, you're all set with that. Thanks, commissioners. Okay. Anything else for under review from the team or from the commissioners? Anything that you want to have heard or that you need action from us? I am ready with the minutes. Oh, I hadn't forgotten that, but I did see Dr. Liebbaum raise her hand so we'll get all that. Dr. Liebbaum. I wondered if we could put under review the resource development fund benefits for drivers and jockeys. We need to review that again. And the last time we did it, we put it out for public comments. So maybe we could do that in the next week or so and then put it on either the September 7th or September 21st meeting. If we put it out for public comment in advance of our meeting, I think the commissioners would probably want, I'd need to know what are we actually putting out for public comment. I don't know what the wording was the last time we did it, but we had the different stakeholders. That way, the Jockey Guild, the HBPA, the harness horseman's association, and then a few jockeys also put in comments. Those are what we got comments on. If you remember, the commission decides how much of the health and welfare benefit money from the resource development fund would go to jockeys and drivers out of the money that goes towards horseman's benefits for health and welfare. Questions or guidance for Dr. Lightman? So it sounds as though from my perspective it's really letting the public know that this is coming before the commission and they can weigh in on it, right? On what their thoughts are then we would make a decision. Then we could make a decision and still get public comment on it too, right? We could get public comment after the fact as well, right? That's right. I think in particular in Dr. Lightman, please correct me if I have this wrong. I think you'll want to hear from the horseman's organizations because the money is related to the 4% that they get. So we're going to want to know their take on it. And then of course, any stakeholders who might have an interest in those funds, we're given an opportunity to weigh in as well. So I'll leave it to you Todd and Dr. Lightman in work with Mills to when I say I only because I'm speaking that the commissioners need to join in. We'd put out and do what we've done in the past. It sounds like where we are putting a notice we're going to be addressing this as a commission. This is the issue and then they can submit their positions, right? That's right. And I believe that's what we did last year. We can try to find the exact language we used it. I thought the process worked well, but we'll take another look at it. Yeah. Let me make a decision and then it's final. No more. Okay. Dr. Lightman, does that sound good? Yes, that does. Thank you. And so ideally the date could be in September 7? Or is that too late? I think that would be good. That would give us time to, it would give the stakeholders time to send their comments in and then we would, you know, Todd and I and whoever else could review the comments so that we have time to make our recommendation, you know, to the commission as well, get our, get the packet ready and have it ready in time for the meeting. Krishna Hill, how's that sound to you? Okay. Krishna, is there any questions for Alex? All right. Anything else before we go to minutes? Okay. Trudy, thank you too for keeping track of today as well. Now we'll turn to minutes. So I learned everything I know from former Secretary Hill except where to store my motions to quickly bring them up when called upon. Madam Chair, I move that the commission approve the minutes from the July 12, 2023 agenda setting meeting that are included in the commissioner's packet subject to any necessary corrections for typographical errors and for other non-material matters. Second. Any questions or edits? Okay. Commissioner Bryant? Aye. Commissioner Hill? Aye. Commissioner Skinner? Aye. Commissioner Maynard? Aye. Yes, 5-0 and thank you, Commissioner Maynard on your first set of minutes. We appreciate it. All right. Anything else, commissioners? And anything else from the team? Okay. We need a motion to adjourn. Move to adjourn. Second. Thank you. I couldn't hear it. Thank you so much. Now, Krishna Bryant? Aye. Krishna Hill? Aye. Commissioner Skinner? Aye. Commissioner Maynard? Aye. I vote yes. 5-0 everyone. Thanks so much. Have a great day.