 In this episode of Mind Pump the World's number one ranked fitness health and entertainment podcast, we answer fitness and health questions that are asked by listeners and viewers just like you, but the way we open the episode is with an introductory portion. This is where we talk about current events. We talk about our lives, our kids, fun stuff. Listen to the episode from beginning to end for the most fun, but if you want to fast forward to your favorite part, go to mindpumppodcast.com where everything is timestamped. So let me give you a rundown. We open up by talking about how I'm nesting. I got a baby coming so I started to get that instinctual nesting feeling happening. Then I'm talking about my son who inherited my smartass genetics and now I'm paying the price. Then we talked about Ned's new CBD CBN product that puts you to sleep. The stuff is powerful ladies and gentlemen. I don't recommend you taking it before you operate heavy machinery. 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If you want to take advantage of this incredible discounted deal, go to maps october.com. That's M-A-P-S october.com. And it's t-shirt time. Oh, shit, dog. It's my favorite time of the week. Why are you pointing at me? Try to cut in my time there. I was. Just trying to throw in my last little lion and dog jumped it. It's his favorite time, dude. Yeah, so we have two winners for Apple podcast, four winners for Facebook. The Apple podcast winners are Megan McCown and Josh Ibar. For Facebook, we have Steve Mattson, Jonathan Garcia, Ashley Ponce, and Steven Griffin. All of your winners send the name I just read to itunes at mindpumpmedia.com. Include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Could you say Adam? Yes. How was it? How was I doing? Third trimester? What happened to the third trimester? You just stay home as a man and get criticized all day. It's like sport, you know? No, you know what I'm What am I not doing right today, actually? Let me know. I know I just woke up. I messed up something. No, you know what? It's funny. I'm nesting myself. Did you experience that towards the end? Were you two, you started feeling like Yeah, I definitely, I took on, I took on some of the, the traits they say, right? So I had, I even had some of the first trimester. I had some of the like nausea and stuff, but I think it and you got nauseous. Yeah, I did. So she's getting too much attention or what? No. This is, this is what I, what I attribute it to, right? I mean, obviously some people think that it's like, oh, some men carry the trait. I think what it was was that first trimester when you're waiting for like, and I forget what week it is where they do the, like the test that lets you know, like he's going to be healthy. Like, and like that. So you know, right? As a father, you learn right away. So she takes the test. It's like, you know week four that you guys are pregnant, but you don't tell anybody until week 12. So those first two months or so, I was nauseous. Sweating it. Oh, I was. And even though I was like playing it off, like I, I wasn't because I wasn't thinking about it. I wasn't talking about anybody inside. I was uneasy all the time and I couldn't, I wasn't sick. I was like, why am I not, I'm not sick, but I'm just, my stomach has not felt right for like two months. Now we're, we're now, we had our, our fat. So I packed some weight. Just as all finally. Yeah. I'm working out more preparing. No, you know what? The, we had our, uh, now the midwife is coming every week, right? Cause we're at, we're like heading into, you know, game time and they brought the tub. So now we have the big inflatable tub where she could finish the labor or whatever. You got to hook up a hose to your, your shower to fill it up and you got to have drop cloth. They're like, make sure you have a drop cloth for the bed, for the floor. So does that like, do you keep it inflated now? Or is it like, they just show you how you inflate it when it starts happening? They said, give it to me. So it's up to me. So when she starts going into, you know, labor, you should blow it up right now. And like, in the living room jacuzzi. Just chill. Yeah. Just chill. I like this thing. That's gonna happen in here later. Yeah. No, they give, they're like, okay, we need, uh, eight towels that you don't mind throwing away. You know, we need, uh, plastic bags for garbage. We need drop cloths. Sounds like you're murdering somebody. Yeah, it does. I'm like, this is what's gonna happen. Yeah. I don't know how I feel about this. So we're, you know, doing that whole setup and then, and all of a sudden I got this urge to like change the AC, all the air filters in the house and fix the part of the floor that's not, hasn't been fixed forever. And Jessica's like, are you nesting? Look at you. Oh, like, I guess I am a little bit. Went to Home Depot like four times. I got a couple fake flowers. I thought you were like me. You did not do any of that stuff. I, it's, uh, I don't. So, but it's basic stuff. You know what I mean? I'm so bad. I'm so bad with that, dude. I felt like Katrina knows, she knows how to get me, right? Her way of getting me is like, could you, she'll tell me like, like this happened last night, right? It's literally, so it's funny. Can you find a man to do this for me? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I'm, I am this bad. I'm this bad, right? So this is me like admitting, okay, I'm terrible at this, right? And, uh, we are like a light bulb went off in the closet like last week, you know, and we have a, we have the light bulb down there. And I just, I'm, I'm so not the handy guy that I just don't do it. It's not that I can't change the light bulb, you know? And so last night she's like, we get done bathing max or whatever. She's like, could you, uh, could you bathe max tonight so I can go change the light bulb in the closet? And I'm like, oh, like, wait. Yeah. Okay. All right. Now you're challenging me. Yeah. Hold on. You know, I was like, where, because I don't know where the light bulbs are at. She's like, oh, they're down in the closet, uh, in the, you never, you never throw back at her. Yeah. I was going to change it yesterday when I was cooking dinner, but uh, you see, it doesn't work for a guy, does it? No, we just sound like assholes. Yeah. So I just, I get up and go do it right away, but I'm going to get better at that. Dude, speaking of kids, like, you know, your, your kids definitely inherit your traits, good and bad. And so as a kid, um, the thing that I would always get in trouble for the most was being a smart ass. I was always a very, you know, I was a smart ass. Cool. You're starting to see it a little bit. Oh yeah, dude. Oh yeah. I was terrible, right? That's my, my grandmother. I don't know how many times she threw the wooden spoon at me for talking back and being a smart ass or whatever. I remember one time a great grandmother was chasing me around the table as I was talking back to her. But anyway, so my son has inherited this trait that I have. So, you know, we are on this group thread with, with Jessica. And I don't remember what she asked him. She asked him something. Yeah. And he didn't respond, didn't respond, didn't respond. Finally, he responds like a day later and snarky. Well, no, she had sent him like this long text asking him if he wanted to have a friend over and make sure you let me know. Maybe we can have them have dinner, whatever. And his response was K, like just the letter K. K. So I'm like, this kid, right? So I message on the side and I'm like, dude, I'm like, can you show a little bit more respect to your stepmom? He's like, you know, of course, what do you mean? I answered the question. I'm like, yeah, but that's not respectful. So I'm like going back and forth with him. So then I, five minutes later, this is the text that comes through for Jessica for in the group, right? Yeah. This is what he sends stepmother dearest. It seems that I have offended you by partaking in electronical messaging this evening. To answer your question, to answer your question, why, of course, I would love to participate recreational activities with a friend in a fortnight. May I retract my statement from earlier as father has deemed it disrespectful. I hope you have a blessed father unit and thank you for reaching out to me. This is sharp, man. This kid, dude. You got to respect the way. Yeah. And she's, you know, Jessica's got a good sense of humor, so she laughed and whatever. She knew. She's okay. Good. She laughed about it because I was wondering how she handled that. Like if she got all upset, she texted me right after. She's like, you talked to him. What a jerk. And as a dad, you can't get mad. Can you? Like when it's, I saw, obviously I haven't experienced this yet because Max is so young, but I, you know, hear this story. You, this happened to you, right? I'm going like, man, how would I handle that? Would I get really upset or would I just like, or would I put on a front like I'm upset, but deep down I'm laughing inside going like, oh my God, that's so neat. I mean, is that the feeling or what? Yeah. Kind of like, well, part of me is up that gets annoyed and then part of me thinks it's, it's funny. But when you were a kid, like were the things that you got like in trouble for a lot that you, like what kind of traits you think your son's going to? Well, I mean, like you, I was like that, right? So I was very outspoken. So if I didn't like something, but obviously I could not articulate myself as well as your son did. I mean, that's why I think that's so comical to me. It's like, it was so well put. But I definitely, I had the talk back trait for sure. So I'm ready for that when it comes. So it's inevitable that's coming. I'm trying to think what else, like, you know what? I bet you don't realize it until it hits you, right? Like I remember Justin shared a story one time him and I were talking and he was telling me that he's got the little bulldozer. Well, no, he was telling me like he has like these things that he does, you know, to get his way with like Courtney, right? That he's learned to like kind of like, you know, get what he wants. And he said that that was like a major moment when he saw his boy using it on all the same tactics. Yeah, same tactics. He's like, that's my move. That's my move to get my way. You know what I'm saying? So I don't really know what it is until it probably starts to happen to me. And then when it does, like, you know, that like Justin told me that story, you've shared this one, like, you know, do you get mad as a dad or do you like chalk it up to the game? I had one of those this weekend. It was pretty funny because we were like having an intense conversation and like there was a financial thing happening. We're trying to discuss like me and Courtney. And it was getting a little, it wasn't like we were fighting, but we were just having like a, you know, a real like serious conversation. And, you know, Everett always finds that as an opportunity to come and just like become a jackass like right in front of us and do something crazy. He put like a Kleenex box on his head and like took his clothes off and was like doing these like weird dances while we're like in a serious conversation. And it was just like so diffusing, you know, we're just like, ah, he does that every time. Like if something's happening on the phone, especially to get like attention and it's, I mean, it's hilarious. But at the same time, you're like, not now. I wonder if he, I wonder if he senses like the tension. Yeah, the tension. And that's his way of diffusing it is like he defaults to doing something. Well, they say this about the old oldest in a family that they feel somewhat responsible for keeping the house peace, right? Whatever. So sometimes you'll see that with the oldest where they'll come in trying to fuse a situation by being funny or something like that. So that's a common thing. Yeah, it was great. He's a pretty sensitive kid too. Like you can tell he reads people's emotions very, very well. He's like a very advanced when you talk to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was funny. So this this whole weekend we were, my youngest is really getting into science and stuff from school, which is great. And I'm like, you know, any opportunity where they ask you like, can I learn more about this that's like not like school driven? I'm like, Oh, I'm all into this. So we went downtown to Santa Cruz and I was trying to find something that was like somewhat related to physics, because he's just like, he heard me talking about it a little bit. And then he's like, I want to know more. And so we went and got this like, this the science experiment thing where it was like, basically you put together this crane that was all driven by hydraulics. And so we're like putting it all together. And of course, like Courtney's laughing because she knows like what's going to happen with me in terms of putting it together. And then him trying to like play with it while I'm putting it together. And it was like a disaster, you know, but I finally got to put together and everything. And we're just like trying to move these things and it's breaking like every two seconds because it's made out of plastic. But yeah, I made this like vow to myself like anytime they like want to learn something, I'm going to go, you know, pay for it or we're going to go do it together or whatever. So there's been that and like, he's really like into these crazy experiments that I look up on YouTube all the time. Well, dude, a kid, a kid will learn nothing faster than something that they want to learn. Yeah. So you have to like jump on it. Yeah, I was like pounced on it. Yeah. This this weekend we had a little mini sex talk with my daughter. She's in fifth grade now, right? So this is when they your daughter, that's so weird to picture her. But you're right. Fifth grade is when you go through that. But she's, can they teach him that already? Yeah, but it's not, you know, how does in fifth grade, the sperm, the egg, the whole deal. But I was very open with my son. So I sat down with my son when he's in fifth grade. And I when I was a kid growing shit still like this with my parents, when I was a kid, it was, you didn't talk about it at all. There was no mention of sex. There was no mention of body parts. There was nothing. So I didn't want that for my kids. I wanted it to be very open and to not make it a big deal, you know, and be a, you know, also be appropriate, but not to make a big deal. But my daughter is so much more naive than my son was, like way more use like, yes. Well, and part of me is like, how am I this is that I need to talk to her about this? And this is going to be weird to talk to her. Yeah. Yeah. So we're having kind of this conversation in my son goes, you know, we talked about puberty. Like, well, you know, here's what happens to boys. Here's what happens to girls, you know, and they get their period and this and that. So we're kind of explaining that. And you can see the look on her face. She's like, huh. And then my son goes, do you know how babies are made? So I'm like, I want to like elbow my son it's always like, you know, he's trying to push it, right? Do you know how they they're made? And my daughter's like, well, yeah, like, you know, two people, they pray and then, you know, they pray. Yeah. God gives them a baby inside the thing and he starts chuckling. He goes, no, not really. Yeah, dude. And I'm like, I'm going to push this kid because I want her to ask. I don't want him to probe. Right. Right. I mean, of course. So we're just and she's, you could tell will goes to a point and then it gets a little too far. She's like, I don't want to talk about it anymore. Like, all right, no problem. We don't have to talk about it anymore. Yeah. Yeah. No, the thing I'm dealing with her right now is that she's moody. Man, she gets moody, especially if she doesn't get good sleep. She wakes up. She's pissed for like an hour. She's just angry. And you know, my instinct is to push back and be like, you better change. Now it's like everybody I'll tell I'll text the whole everybody about her like, Hey, everybody ignore her for the rest until she calls off because it doesn't work and get eight hours. Yeah. Otherwise she's gonna be pissed. She just gets mad for longer. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, speaking of sleep. Oh, yeah. I cannot wait to talk. I've been waiting to talk about this. I was just telling you guys earlier, man, I went through a string of three days and then even last night I finally took that that product Ned has out for sleep. And it just, I don't know what it is because I remember you guys telling to like, if you take it a little bit early, like it makes you a little bit drowsy didn't make me drowsy. So I was a little worried. But dude, I was out like a light. No. So, so Ned came out with a sleep product. So it's got CBD in there, but also high in CBN, which is a cannabinoid that helps with sleep. And then they put other things in there like valerian and chamomile and other compounds that help. I took it. I've tried it now like four or five times. I have about an hour later. If I don't go to bed, I start to feel like it's next level. Bro. Yeah. It'll, it'll put you out all five times. I've done it five times. It's the best product they've come up with. Yeah. Honestly. It makes you sleep hard and dream hard. Do you have crazy ass dreams? Crazy dreams. Yeah. I'm like in real deep sleep. I feel like I'm probably snoring like, like a buzz saw. Oh, and Jessica's so jealous because she's just, she's just not sleeping right now. She can't sleep. So that midwife told her to sleep on her side or like propped up kind of like, like hands and knees almost. What do you feel about her using this? No, I wouldn't. You know, here's the deal with cannabinoids. I know that state that some people say, you know, give it to pregnant women. I don't because cannabinoids affects, it could affect brain development and I don't like to risk any potential. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's not a lot of no upside. There's not a lot of research around it. I was looking when Katrina was pregnant. I couldn't find anything. And we did the same thing. We didn't risk taking it, but I bet it would have been fine. Yeah, I would just err on the side of safety. That's how I felt too. It's like, you know, rather tough it out. Whatever it is, what it is, like we're going to get through this versus risking some of that. But I still don't, I don't think they're, but that product, dude, it knocks me out like to the point where I'm like, should I use this like less frequently because I don't want to lose its potency. It's impressive. And I mean, I hate to compare it to like Nyquil, but you don't have those effects. Like when you wake up, like super, from like one of those like Nyquil type products, like, yeah, you don't have that at all. No, you wake up and you dreamed hard, you slept hard and you wake up refreshed. CBN is going to be a big cannabinoid product for a lot of companies. No, I mean, it was pretty interesting. I mean, if you've been listening for a long time, maybe they were people who remember, but you called this like over over a year or two ago when we were first talking about it and the research that was coming out in CBN, I remember you talking about this was before they even had even ideas of this product. So I can tell a major difference. I can tell the difference between that and then the full spectrum, just the full spectrum by itself helps and I like it. I use it, but it's this thing puts me down. If I want to sleep, I'm using that. Absolutely. If you're on a plane or something like that, I can't even imagine. So have you guys seen the South Park episode yet? No, I want to hear about it. Did you watch it? Yeah, I wanted to watch it with you guys. Yeah, no, it's it's really good. I mean, it's it's not like super hilarious or anything. I think it's like really intelligent and clever the way they like strung it all together to kind of poke at both sides and poke at like everything that's happening in general, you know, and it was really clever because like so one of the things is basically like so they they have lost all these teachers because they don't want to come back. They basically reopen the school. And so all the kids are, you know, have to go back to school. Of course, the Cartman's like chagrin, like he loves the fact that he doesn't have to hang out with anybody and can eat whatever he want. And like he puts, you know, Skype on, he puts like a picture of him. So it looks like he's on Skype for school school. And so I was like, oh, that's clever. And he's got a six foot stick. He's poking everybody and getting back from them. I was like, oh, it's hilarious. And so basically they go back to school and everything and the teachers strike, they're not they don't want to go back to school. And then so what they do is they hire like all of the defunded police. So the defunded police become their teachers. And then they harass them. And it's like, I'm going to watch this with you guys. Bro, it's very clever. It's very clever. Dude, speaking of COVID, dude, Justin, tell me that your conspiracy cackles weren't freaking tingling like crazy. I know when Trump comes out and has COVID. It just it was so bizarre, right? The timing is that. Yeah, crazy. Yeah. I don't think it's that. I don't think it's that crazy. Bro, the timing is wild. The dude is flying around all over the world, bro. Yeah, but he's the most protected man in the world. Yeah, but it's a virus. You can't see it. It's in the air, dude. You can't see that. It's not like protecting you from assassins. Sneezes. You know, it's not just in the air. Like you have to have droplets to like shoot out. I don't know, dude. All I know is all the plane rides, all I know is all the fancies. I mean, come on, dude, I know, but it's not a secret like virus. Like everybody's looking out for it. Everybody's getting tested. You can make you can make weird conspiracies on both sides. Right? Totally. It could like help his cause. It could, you know, be somebody attacking him. Like who knows? It is interesting to see both sides figure out how to spin this right to their advantage. Yes, because it's hard to attack them negatively because then you kind of look like a jerk. Yeah. Hey, what's up, dude? It's October. I thought we're going to get a big surprise. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. This is part of this surprise. That's not a good surprise. Well, what surprised me is I guess he got good reviews from his debate, which was like, I thought his approval really did terrible. His approval rating went up a little bit. Is that true? Is that just Fox telling you? No, no, no. That's true. Really? Yeah. And then was it Telemundo did a poll Latino voter 66% thought he won? I don't know if they watched the same debate I saw. I know, right? Because it wasn't that. It wasn't great for anybody. Nobody was looking good. No, nobody looked good, but I thought he looked worse. I thought for sure. I mean, I had it at five to two. Like I had five Biden to him and his two were like gifts. I felt like, yeah, he got it just because he got a zinger. Is that Joe Jorgensen's, is it's first site backup? Yeah, it's back up. But it crashed right afterwards, right? Isn't that great? Yeah, I love that. Because people are like, what else can I do? Who else is there? Somebody. Anybody else. A vote for some. But did you see the treatments that they put them on? So besides the, there's some experimental antivirals to have them on and some antibody treatments. They're also having them take zinc and vitamin D. So vitamin D, now we have some pretty good evidence to show that if it's high, your, the chances that you'll get severe symptoms are far lower from COVID. Zinc, there's also a lot of evidence. Melatonin. Did you guys see that? Melatonin. Yes. So apparently melatonin at high doses can really reduce the inflammatory response from respiratory-type diseases. So they have them on that as well. So melatonin, zinc, vitamin D, and then the other stuff. I thought that was interesting. Yeah, it is interesting. Melatonin seems like a left field for me for that. It's antioxidant and it has anti-inflammatory properties. But I think you have to take high doses, like 20. So what, is he drowsy all day or what? At night. Nobody's been talking about any preventative methods. It feels like it's blasphemy or something. Like it's politicized to talk about like preventative methods. I know, but he's, dude, he's not, I mean technically he's in a bad category, right? He's 74. He's not exactly ideal weight. I think he's 244 pounds or something like that. So he's not exactly in the best category. Yeah, he's husky. But I don't know, I don't know. No, he's in the worst, isn't he? Yeah, no. He's not in a good category at all. How old is he? 74. How does he have so much energy? Yeah, he's in the worst. He's out of shape in 74. He's like, he has the worst, which by the way, if he comes out like a champion, you know he's going to spin the shit out of that. Of course. Both sides are trying to spin a lot of it. He's going to come out beating his chest, dude. Yeah, I'm sure. I win. Yeah. Greatest of all time. He's 6'3, 243. Boy, he's a big boy. He's a chunkster. He's a big boy. He's just a big boy all the time. He's husky, dude. I mean, that's like, 240 at 6'3 is not that big. Well, because he's 6'3. Yeah, bro. I didn't realize he was that tall. Easy guy. I'm like 225. You know what I'm saying? I'm not that far off. Bro, you add another 20 pounds on you, take away some of your muscle. Yeah, I know you're right. You're a cake city. What's going on? Anyway, speaking of our sponsors, do you guys see the giveaway that ButcherBox is doing? Yes. Bro, lobster tails. Dude, you get lobster inside of them. And would you say filet mignons? What's happening? Mignons. Yeah, mignons, filet mignons. Dude, how are they giving away? We're getting classy all of a sudden. How the hell are they giving away lobster tails? Dude, I love you. I think because they crushed in the pandemic, that's why. You think so? Oh, I mean, remember, they shut down the advertiser. We had to pause the advertiser because so many people were ordering from them. Yeah, why wouldn't you? You just get conveniently delivered to you. So going to the apocalypse. Yeah, well, lobster's good because shellfish, in general, for muscle building purposes, they're high in key nutrients that are good for testosterone, like zinc. And they're also very high in cholesterol, which I've talked about, I don't know, a trillion times on the podcast. Dietary cholesterol, if you bump that up, if you're healthy and you increase your cholesterol intake, you will notice strength gains and faster recovery. And shellfish is a great way to get there. A little surf and turf, man. I'm excited. Yeah, totally. That's an awesome guy. Yeah, I love it. I love it anyway. I saw this interesting study about narcissists. Did you guys know, so they've connected? Why the fuck did you point at me when you said that? Did you see him just do that? Just a little finger. Yeah, you know he did. Well, I know we're on YouTube now. I like to point to things I'm talking about. So the people watching YouTube land, narcissists. No, they showed that narcissists are more likely to participate in political rallies and protests. Oh, really? Yeah. So people, I mean, it kind of makes sense, right? You feel like you're more. You're virtuous. Important than, you know, whatever. So you're going to go out and speak out and do a bunch of things. Right. So it's a nice little thing. You want to command your views on everybody. Yeah, it's a nice little insult you can use to somebody. Yeah. Out with a sign. Hey, you're a narcissist. Yeah, but I remember when we did that one thing you had the psychologist that came on here and did that. There's good narcissism and there's bad narcissism, right? So it's like, which one is that one that makes you go out and protest? Yeah. Well, if you're going to do anything that you think's going to have a big impact, you probably think more highly of yourself than not, right? You're going to start a business. You know, people who don't really think highly of themselves don't put themselves out there, I would think. So narcissism is associated with some of that stuff. That makes sense. Dude, I got a DM yesterday. It really makes me so angry. You know, we moved away from that competitor space of the fitness space for a while now. For newer listeners who don't know, Adam was a professional physique competitor. And so we were in that space a little bit more. We used to talk about drama between competitors and their girlfriends. And I'm like, what the hell are we doing? Yeah. Nobody gets shit about this. I remember that. That was right. Just today. But that space is such a bad side of fitness. It makes me so angry. I got a DM from a young lady. She can't be any older than 23 years old. She's got to be in her early 20s. And she sends me a DM and she goes, hey, my bikini coach is recommending that I take Osterin. What do you think about this? Osterin is a SARM, a selective androgen receptor module. It's a drug that attaches to the androgen receptor, similar to how testosterone would. And he's recommending it to this young girl to get her to compete. So I looked up the coach. He's got a huge following. He's this dirtbag bikini competitor coach. And he's putting these girls on male hormone type shit. A lot of them do, bro. It's so, I messaged her. I said, all right. I said, first off, this acts on your androgen receptors. Could mess up your hormones for life. Could affect your fertility. You need to tell them to fuck off. It's not worth a trophy for you to do this. Yeah, a plastic one that no one gives a shit of. Oh, it makes me so mad that they do these. And I think that the women get the worst off than the men because so many of these chemicals and hormones are male-derived hormones. So you give a guy a guy extra testosterone. He gets some side effects. But you give a girl extra testosterone or testosterone-like substances. And you're going to get way worse. Essentially sex change. I've heard just winds of people talking about this with a lot of the bikini competitors. And they're like, what is this? Between that and like, Antivar I've heard of and some other, yeah, some testosterone-type anabolics. And it's just like, why? Why would you even need to include that? The worst part is to them. And they put them on a 16-week prep. Oh. And just hammer their metabolism. Cardio every day, sometimes twice a day. And then you're adding drugs on top of that. Star of them? Like, what the fuck are you thinking, dude? It makes me mad because they're young competitors. And it's some dirtbag 40-year-old coach who makes his money doing this. And they put their trust in this coach. And so they're like, is this going to be safe? Yeah, yeah. I do this with everybody. Yeah, oh, yeah. I put, look, here's the champions that I've, she won regional second place by me putting her on this. And it'll make you so lean and you'll be so strong and you'll love it. And they're influencing these girls, not realizing that they're going to potentially mess themselves up in the future. It makes me so angry. So I told her. I said, yeah, tell them to eff off. You know what I mean? I almost wanted to message him, but I'm not going to go that far. Yeah, don't do that. There's no reason to do that. There's a lot. It's more common than not. I know. It's rare that I actually meet a coach in that space who I think does it the right way with a lot of these competitors where that's the last resort is to allow them to do drugs. At the end of the day, you're an individual. You can do whatever you want to do. If you want to put something in your body and I try, I tell you the risk and you still want to do it. I can't tell you no. I can't tell you can't. But I'm going to try and convince you to do it as natural as possible for as long as you can possible, especially if this is not something that you think is going to be a lifelong career. All right. I'm not judging a guy who decides at 20-something years old. He's going to get into the bodybuilding world and that's all he's ever dreamed of. And that's what he wants to do for the rest of his life. And he just aspires to be the biggest human on earth to each their own. But I mean, if you're doing this because what I found during this time right now in the last decade, it's become so popular to get an Instagram following from winning a show and posting your physique that so many of this younger generation coming out thinks that this is just the model of how you make money. And you can monetize that. Yeah. Haven't they been cracking down quite a bit on that in terms of how they portray it and how they advertise these products as an influencer? A little bit. But there's still that allure. I think what women need to be told, I think what needs to be communicated more to women is that the risks associated with extreme dieting, overtraining, in combination with these types of drugs, are actually far higher for women than they are for men. It's still a risk for men. But for women, first off, your fertility can get affected very, very badly, much more so than a man. Getting that lean alone, just even if you didn't naturally, getting shredded affects a female's body worse than a man's a male's body. And then putting them on these hormones or hormone-like substances, it's really like me putting a man on estrogen or estrogen-like substances. It's really no different. But they're putting women on the opposite. So it's like, if you're a woman, you go to the doctor and you get a sex change, it's kind of what they do. They put you on these types of drugs. And you're doing it maybe to a less degree to look better on stage. But you start to affect yourself in ways that might not be reversible in the future. It really annoys the hell out of me. Adam, I wanted to comment on, you put a video on your Instagram. Oh, yeah. Thank you for bringing this up. Dude, you're pretty awesome. Fuck off, bro. I'm serious. No, he went big on that one. I was like, oh, what are you doing, dude? What is that? Waterboarding? What's that called? That's wakeboarding. Wakeboarding. Water plus it. That's the wrong kind of water. Yeah, I know. That's the new craze. That's torture. Yeah, apparently it's not like riding a bike. You do lose it, right? So it's not that. It's not as easy as I thought. Man, I had it's been. Did he look good? Yeah. Well, thank you. Besides the cool face you were making. Did you notice that as he's riding? Except leave it to our forum to create a meme of that. Did you see that? Oh, yeah. I know. I see it going around. The best comment was, well, because he caught you in a pose where you're kind of doing this, and it was like, this isn't the time to be dabbing. Yeah, I see it going all over the place. Yeah, I haven't written in a long time, right? So I started, someone was asking me the other day that in my DMs after I posted that, right? Like, how long I've been riding this night? And so I've been riding since we watched and learned on videocassette. So that's when we started. When we started wakeboarding, it wasn't even a thing yet. It was the boards looked totally different. They were incredibly hard to get up on and ride. And my buddies and I were, we were in junior high, and we were hardcore into it and trying to learn. And so we'd watch videocassettes all the time. And in high school, I got pretty decent at it. And then out of high school, I rode almost every summer, at least for a couple of weeks out of the summer I would ride. And then I got into my 20s and just, it would be occasional, every once in a while I'd get out for a little bit of riding. And then you saw the dip of how much I was riding and how long I would be riding for, be like one run. Okay, I'm good. And then that's enough. I could still do it, if that was kind of the deal. I can only take so many animals. So I mean, I got Katrina out there and my son out there. So I'm gonna ride and I rode both days. And boy, I tell you what, I haven't felt like this in a long time. I literally feel like I wrestled a silverback gorilla and got my ass handed to me. Oh, you just saw it everywhere? I mean, my toes, like the middle of my toes hurt. My fingertips hurt. My biceps both feel like they've been torn off. My neck is sore. Like, I mean, my core is unbelievably sore, legs, hamstrings, I mean, everything. There's like completely outside your normal activity. It was very eye-opening though for me. I told Katrina, I said, and I'm not the one, when something like that happens, I don't shy away with it and like, oh, let's hang it up. I'm like, oh my God, I need this. Like if I felt that sore, I woke up that many muscles that I just have stopped using or that have been dormant, that I feel that sore, that oh my God, I need to be doing more. So yeah, no, it was nice. It was a little frustrating for me though, because I could ride. Like I used to be pretty decent at it. Yeah, well, you look good. I watched the video. What part did you watch? Did you not watch the second part? I did too, hold on a second. You tried to jump, and then you- He's not judging your landing. Yeah, you can see that. Yeah, but I mean, you were cruising, and you were doing, I mean, you look like you, definitely look like it was something you've done a lot in the past. So is it left or right is your favorite side? Because mine's always going to the left. So yeah, when you go, when you cut- There's Adam. Yeah, oh wow, thanks, Doug. Thank you. You got some air though, yeah, you got some air. Well, so I mean, that was like everybody in the boat was asking, they're like, why are you doing such a big jump, why don't you? I'm like, well, first of all, it's easier on the other side. So part of jumping on a wakeboard is to clear the wake. On the other side of the wake, it's like if you, when you hit it, it's smooth on the way down. Oh, it's like butter ramp. But if you hit a jump and you land in the middle of the wake, it's like landing on concrete. And so it just, you absorb all of it, it's harder to stick it and everything like that. So yeah, and riding on your edge, on your heel side, is much easier than toe side. But I mean, I've been riding long enough to where- You gotta wave skate. Yeah, I can- It's a lot easier. It is a lot easier. We had that. So we rode, yeah, yeah, we did that and we rode. But I mean, I wanted to, I mean, this is something I've been doing for a long time. So I wanted to see if I still had it in me. And obviously I did not. I thought I could. So when you fall, because I've never done any of it. It doesn't hurt. That doesn't hurt. I was just going to say it. Everybody did it like, oh my god, tell me on a scale of one to 10, how bad would it be? I just feel like you dived into a pool. Yeah. It's all how you look. Depends on how hard you go, but yeah. It's like how you crash. So I've been knocked out wakeboarding. It's the only sport that has actually knocked me out. And I was throwing what's called a tantrum, where you open up and do- You got real mad? Yeah, yeah, yeah, throw a fit, right? It's like a true back flip, right? So I can do a barrel roll of me when I was younger, for certainly not now. I hit the wake and you open up and you do a true back flip, where you open all the way. And I was upside down completely, let go of the handle, and then pancaked on my back. And I'm probably twice as high as I am in that photo that everyone is going around in our fucking form right now. And landed flat on the water like that with pancaked out on my back and my head. And I remember the boat coming around to get me, and I came to when they were already next to me. It takes a minute normally for the boat to come back. So I was out for, I don't know, 30 seconds or whatever like that when I came to. So yeah, it can hurt. It definitely can hurt, but crashing like that, it looks worse. Like I had one, I had weather falls where I sent it even further than that and I came completely out of the board. That's when you know it's like a good fall. Like when you come out and the board is 20 yards away from you because you got launched out of the board. So that wasn't that bad. And Justin, you keep saying enemas. Is that what happens? You just hit your head some. Oh, I haven't happened to me a few times yet. Oh yeah, no, if the board slides out from underneath you. Yeah, and you're in your butt. And your ass goes first. Yeah, and then you goes like right up there. I lost my shorts a few times. You get lake water up your butt? Yeah, I have. It tastes it in your throat. Clean you out. Go fast enough. Oh, for sure dude. That's not even the cleanest one. Yeah, shout out to Ben Greenfield. Yeah, that's one way to do it. That was Max's first time. He was such a trooper, man. He was sick all week and we had already had this trip planned, right? We had the boat rented. We had a house set up on the lake. He looks tall right now. He does. You know what's so funny? I gotta show you guys a picture of when Katrina wears him in the Bjorn, you know? He looks like he's fucking four because he's just so long. I mean, he's taller than his. So we have my two best friends that are older than that have kids that are older than him. And he's already the height of the oldest one. He's taller than he is. Hey, he might be your basketball player after all. Oh, I hope so, right? So he's super long, but it looks so funny when Katrina walks with him in the Bjorn because his legs hang all the way down like past her knees. So she looks like she's carrying like a chicken and her in the ribs. Some lazy four-year-old kid. Yeah, like a lazy four-year-old kid of like, you ever see parents that like push their kid in the stroller still and his legs can touch the ground? That was me when I was little. Like, dude, make that fucking kid walk, dude. Doin' the Flintstone. That was me. My parents had to push me around because I was so fat. So my mom could have stroller would push me around. We actually cut the trip short though because he definitely, it's so funny. So Katrina and I, I feel like, are very sensitive to people around us and the energy in a room when we get a lot of different people. Like we can always tell like, ah, the vibes here is not right, let's go. And so I tell her that anytime anything is off like that, he's, I feel like he's definitely the blend of the two of us. Like he's ultra-sensitive of that. Like when there's tons of people in it or if like a couple is fighting or something going on, like it throws him off completely. It makes him in this awful, crabby, needy mood where all he wants is to be on me or to be on Katrina and he doesn't want to roam like he normally does. So he was like that, dude. And I don't know if it was that or it was because he was coming off of being sick still and he just, you know, we take him, drag him out to the lake and, you know, cause Katrina- And you're out in the sun and the wind. Right, yeah. But that all good for him, right? I figured get him out in the sun would be good. And he was pretty good on the boat. I just think that being away from home and not feeling good where I get that, right? I don't like to be away from my house when I don't feel good. So we actually bailed the day early and came back and brought him back and he was like 10 times. He's such a cute little boy. Yeah, you guys came by to pick up a couple things. You see him in the back? He has a runny nose and stuff. Oh, he's such a cute little guy. I can't wait, man. Hey, so what's up with the, I noticed that they're putting some of our apparel like $5, $10 clearance. Yeah, no, this is, so we're getting ready to launch the new apparel. So I'm super excited. The Mind Pump Merch site is getting ready to go live. Before it goes live, Rachel wants to clear out like all the old inventory. So we have a lot of like shirts that we have like a medium left or one of the large. So to get rid of all of it, I know she's pricing it like under $10. So there's a huge blowout sale for all the apparel that we have left right now of the last season stuff. And then we're gonna launch the new site. So right now go to mindpumpmedia.com Go under apparel and then you'll get the crazy deal. Yeah, it should be right there. As soon as you click on the apparel, it should show the sale right there. So yeah, I know, hooking it up fat for everybody to kind of blow out all the old inventory and then launch the new site. All right, our first question is from Jesse Jesus. What are some best ab exercises that will help with mind to muscle connection? I'm having trouble with my lower abs. What was the name of the YouTube video that we did? Hip flexor deactivator. Yes, deactivator. So, okay, so let me address first the whole lower ab thing. Your abdominal muscles have kind of two attachments. The one attachment is at the pelvis. Another attachment is at the rib cage. And so when the abs contract, it's that whole area. Yeah, there is no lower or upper abs. There is no other attachment. So I know a lot of people say, do this exercise for lower abs or this exercise for upper abs. This doesn't really work that way. The abs all contract or they don't. And the two anchor points are at the bottom and the top and that's it. But as far as connecting to the abs, this is actually quite important fact. More people have issues connecting to their ab muscles than don't. Just feeling them burn doesn't mean you necessarily connect to them very well. There's a lot of muscles that can fold the body forward. So when you look at ab exercises in general, especially the classic ab exercises, they involve folding your body forward. But you can also fold the body forward using your hip flexors, for example. And those tend to be more active in most people. The abs fold the body forward at the lumbar spine, not at the hips. That's what'll work the abs. So one of the things you wanna do to help connect to your abs is understand the function of the abs. It literally rolls you forward at the lumbar spine, at the lower part of your spine, not at the hips. So if you do a leg raise, the raising of the legs isn't working your abs. It's the rotating of the pelvis that works the abs. If you do any kind of a sit-up, it's the rolling forward that works the abs. It's not the folding forward necessarily that works the abs. So consider that first. But the most common reason why people don't feel the abs connecting is because the hip flexors are doing a lot of the work. And I did that video that Adam talked about that I called hip flexor deactivators. And essentially what you do in that movement, and I'll walk you through it through the podcast, you lay on your back and you put your feet up on a bench or a physio ball with your knees bent, push down into the bench or the physio ball with your heels, lift your hips up off the floor just a little bit. And what you're doing is you're activating your glutes. You wanna squeeze your glutes. Now the reason why you wanna activate your glutes is because when you activate one muscle, it helps to relax the opposing muscle. And the opposing muscles from the glutes are the hip flexors. So now that the glutes are active, the hip flexors are more likely to stay out of the exercise. And then you can practice slow crunches. And this will help you feel the abs rather than do movements with your crunches. Serene also did another video with an assisted perfect setup, which I love to teach. I think that's a great way to teach somebody to really activate their abs and slow it down. A lot of times when people struggle with feeling their abs, it's like a speed thing, right? They're just using momentum and they're rocking their head and their neck and they're like sows and using so many other muscles to get them up, get the exercise up. And they feel a little bit in the abs because maybe on the way- Stabilizing? Yeah, stabilizing are the way down, right? As you go back down on the floor, you feel them a little bit. And so you assume that you are working them, but they can be worked so much better. And just by slowly rolling the spine up like in a perfect setup, articulating that. Is that a perfect setup or McGill setup? Is it the same thing? Yeah, I don't know if it's called a, I don't know what a McGill setup is. So it could be, it could be, I've seen different people call it different titles. I know, I think Serene titled it of assisted perfect setup when she did the video. It's a really good video because you, it's already hard. I think most people are challenged even to one. Sure. So using a band to kind of like help assist you up so you could really focus on the rolling of the spine, I think is a great exercise. Yeah, it's educating too to see kind of where, when you start to articulate each one of those vertebrae, like where the sticking points are, where it's extra hard for you to get some in that strength to kind of curl your body into that position. But yeah, to learn that process of being able to actually roll forward and use your abs, you know, in that direction is eye opening when you get it down. Oh yeah, physio ball crunches are good at this. But you know, here's the other thing with physio ball crunches, you can also make it so that you don't really work your abs very much at all. Oh, easily, yeah. So if you get on a physio ball, physio ball crunches, by the way, one of my favorite ab exercises, if you do them properly, you put your lower back on the top of the ball, bend your legs and then put your feet on the floor and then push your butt up. And while you're pushing your butt up, allow your lower back to wrap around the ball. So now you're kind of arching back and then crunch over the ball while pushing your hips up. This will help anchor the hips and kind of get those hip flexors out of the movement and help you focus on the abs. Yeah, that's one of the biggest things I see people misusing it is they'll start dropping their hips down and letting their hips kind of move with and roll with the exercise. And they start just rocking. And it's just rocking with it. Back and forth. Next question is from Joey0089. What are your thoughts on primal movement or animal flow? Justin, didn't you go on a kick on this for a little bit? Or did just all your guys inside your gym? Yeah, in my gym. I guess I was picking up on, because they all went to the animal flow certification and kind of brought back a lot of these movements and I thought it was interesting. I thought it was like, how the hell am I gonna incorporate this with clients? Cause it's pretty out there in terms of getting people to subscribe to the idea of like crawling and moving in all these like weird directions. But I mean, I understand the concept of it in terms of like applying positions that are challenging whether in a static pose or now like with movement where, you know, I'm trying to connect everything. I'm trying to get more body awareness and be able to have more command over my body. And it's really challenging and it's hard. A lot of people don't like to stay in that position where you're in sort of a quadruped type position and then do these types of crawling patterns. It's really challenging, but it's interesting because it's a totally different way to train your body. It's really inclusive of the entire system. And so I think that there's validity in it, but you know, in terms of kind of contrasting that with lifting weights, we're so robotic and you know, focused on either single joints or just, you know, sagittal plane type exercises that this totally is a shock for people. So it takes a lot of practice. That's why I think it's phenomenal. I think this is, so I haven't gone through the certification. I've practiced some of the movements that you'll find in like animal flow, it was towards the end of my training career, so I haven't used it a lot with clients, but I tell you what, this is something that I could see myself like getting, like, you know, I went on a mobility kick. I've gone on a bodybuilding kick. I've gone on a strength, you know, kick for a while. Like I'll go on these kicks where like I'm just gonna focus on something and get really good at it. I think there's would be tremendous benefit to somebody like saying, I'm just gonna get good at this animal flow. I think that one, you're gonna get some muscle from it. Obviously, if your goal is to build maximal muscle, it's not the most optimal way for you. Obviously, bodybuilding type of routine, strength routine is gonna build more muscle, but you will get some muscle from it. You're gonna get some, but more than anything else, you're gonna work on your movement. And like Justin, you were alluding to, it was like your entire body working together and then moving in all these different planes. So your joint mobility and health, I think would be phenomenal from going through this. Just familiarizing yourself with being placed in a position that you wouldn't normally find yourself in throughout the day. So to be able to work your way out of that with strength, I think that's really interesting. And I think a lot of people could benefit from that because most injuries are gonna occur when your body's in a position you're not familiar with. And then now what happens is you try to gain stability really hard in one direction while your body might be turning or moving in another direction and then boom, you're caught off guard. Well, it reminds me of the feeling that I have right now from talking about wakeboarding. I mean, my body was contorted in a way that it hadn't been contorted in a very long time and I was reminded of that like by how sore I am right now. And just by doing movements like that probably would have prevented the way I feel today had I been doing things like that. I think it's important though, we kind of discern between the primal patterns and animal flow because they are different. Primal patterns refers to movement patterns that we consider to be fundamental to humans, the human animal. Walking, squatting. So there's squatting, lunging, there's bending or hip hinging, twisting, which would be like throwing, for example, that's which is a fundamental movement. Pulling, pushing. Pulling, pushing, crawling. And then gait, walking, jogging or sprinting. I'm a huge proponent of primal pattern movements. In fact, the most effective exercises with weights that you could do from a muscle building, fat burning, body sculpting perspective. They don't have crawling? No, not on the primal patterns. Oh, that's interesting. Tend to be around these primal patterns, right? If you think of all the most effective exercises that we talk about, they're either squatting, lunging, bending, twisting, pulling, pushing or have to do with gait, right? So there's that. Then when it comes to animal flow, that's a little bit different. Animal flow is more... Break dancing moves. That's the easy way to describe it. Well, animal flow is more stuff that's quadruped on hands and knees, crawling, gorilla, bear, that kind of stuff. And I think that what they try to do is hark back to before maybe we became too late. Well, you're emulating a lot of animals that aren't upright. And so you're trying to kind of move where you're getting like scapular involvement with your walking, with your hands and your bending being able to stabilize your body in that position. Yeah, so if I was to give like to rate both of them, I'd say primal movement patterns, I believe to be much more valuable, but that doesn't mean that animal flow movements don't have a lot of value because getting on the floor, moving with hands and knees, doing these kinds of movements is gonna work on mobility just naturally because you're on the floor, you're twisting, you're turning, you're using your hands and knees. It is gonna work on wrist mobility, shoulder mobility, hip mobility, spinal mobility. It's gonna help you get your body to communicate with itself differently. Just by practicing those movements, you're gonna get better at moving overall. So I think they both have a lot of value, but if I had to pick one to focus on, the primal movement patterns just have a longer history of evidence. I think primal movement is mandatory. I think that's a mandatory one and then animal foundational. Yeah, and then animal flow to me would be a cool, fun focus, right? It's like if you wanted to get into something that's unique and different, that it would have all kinds of these benefits that maybe you weren't aware of. Yeah, somebody who deals with chronic joint pain and tight and all the time, going in, practicing animal flow and maybe less focused on building a bunch of maximal muscle inside the gym and doing that instead, you would see tremendous benefit from that. I look at it too, it's a progression of challenging your mobility, the after view of established that you're stable. So it's like, now I want to be able to actually work on strengthening it even more without just using it as maintenance. Like I want to challenge it. And I look at the same way with like May spells and Indian clubs and things like that that are unconventional, but it provides this fluidity of movement that's loaded. And so you're using like loaded because you're using gravitational forces being in this quadruped position. So it's really challenging, it's hard and it's interesting that way. Next question is from Jackie Martinez, 1983. Hey Jackie! What does it take to always be on? On, and she put that in quotation. I think she means feeling like you're your best. Turned on. Yeah, like you're on fire. You know, here's the key with that. I spent a lot of, you know, my 20s I would say and maybe even some of my 30s trying to figure out how to always be on. But then I started to realize that the key really is to figure out how to perform when you're not on. Being on means being healthy, taking care of yourself, getting good sleep. But even if you do all of that, you're not gonna be on all the time. You're not gonna feel like you're on fire and motivated all the time. You can't, it's impossible. It's a feeling that you have and it waxes and wanes. And the most successful people, and I don't care what category you pick, are the ones that are disciplined and can stay consistent when they're not on. Because when you're on, you're gonna be consistent. You're gonna work out. When you're feeling motivated, I've never had to convince a motivated client to eat better. They're doing it on their own. It's when they're not feeling that way, that's when the real work comes into play. So I think it's really about practicing and learning how to continue to do the right things, to continue to work hard, to continue to take care of yourself, be an honest person, do all the stuff that you know is good when you don't feel like it. I think that's the key. I feel like there's two different personalities with this. I feel like there's people that can are always driven to turn it on. Whatever state they're in, they always have to turn it on. And they have a really hard time learning how to turn it off and being able to decompress and be able to recover and rejuvenate and all that stuff sounds like a dirty word. And then obviously the opposite of that, where it's like, I just wanna stay comfortable. I don't wanna like change. I don't wanna do all this stuff. I just wanna be chill and then they really need to turn it on. And that's a hard thing for them to do. And a lot of my clients that I had, a lot of it really like revolved around being able to turn that off and to be able to really focus in inward and be able to learn how to meditate and learn how to proper recover. And so, yeah, I would just look at case by case, like who kind of falls a little bit more on both sides of the spectrum. Well, I'm with you, Justin. First of all, I don't think it's advantageous to be on all the time. But I do think this is what separates champions and everybody else. I think when you have the ability to switch on at command, regardless of what's going on in your life, regardless of the rough childhood or the rough stuff going on with your relationship or the hardship that you have at work, if you have the ability to shut those things off and turn on on command is what I think separates the people from good to great. And that plays into sports, that plays into your business life, that plays into your relationship. Can you turn it on when it matters? When it's tough, when it's hard, when you're tired and fatigued, when there's lots of drama in your life, can you show up and switch on and be the best version you at that thing that you're doing? Does that mean that your health may be suffering? Does that mean that there's other things that are troubling in your life? Like, no, that's life. Everybody has that. We all have hardships. We all have struggles. We have hurdles. Do you have the ability, despite all those things that are going on in your life, to turn it on and be the best version of you at that moment at whatever it is you're doing? And that could be your craft. It could be your job. It could be a sport. And this to me is what really separates those that are great. Those that are great have this ability to know that all this shit is going on in my life. And here's the thing is, a lot of times those that are really great, when it's most chaotic, they hone in even more on whatever it is they're focusing on. So they use that fuel of like, all this other chaos and shit and stress and everything going on in my life. Like they get even more tunnel vision on whatever it is they're doing, whether that be their job, whether that be their sport or their craft, they just go all in on it and they turn on completely. Yeah, it brings me back to Steven Kotler or Jamie Wiel, like they're talking about flow state. And you see that with like your top performers, like how they can like weave in and out of that and gain a flow state and have access to it. And a lot of it is just being present. And I think that a lot of times when I'm not on, I'm thinking too much in the future and I'm trying to anticipate. And I work on this a lot actually with, as of late over the last year or so, of learning how to stop analyzing, stop like thinking like 10 steps ahead and just come out with it. And it always comes out better when you're present. And so being on is most closely associated for me with being present. Yeah, and here's the other thing too, is I remember you used to tell this to my salespeople. Motion creates emotion. And what I mean by that is, we're talking about how to get your body and yourself to all of a sudden turn on. Part of that, a lot of that's discipline. Like there's many times, I'll use exercise as an example, just cause it's a simple, silly one, but there's many times when I don't feel like working out, the discipline gets me up and gets me going 20 minutes into it, now I'm on. And I'm having a great workout or I don't wanna do this thing for the business. I need to write this thing and I really don't feel like it, but the discipline gets me going and then that's what turns that switch on. So a lot of it has to do with discipline and doing it anyway. You know, that's what I mean by discipline is you do it anyway. And oftentimes doing it anyway is what gets that feeling of being on. And the more you practice that, the more you know and the more confident you become in the fact that you can do it anyway. No matter how I feel or how scared I am or how tired I am, I've done things anyway so many times in the past. I have no fear that I won't do that. I know I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it anyway, even if I don't feel good, I'm still gonna do it. And then that feeling alone sometimes, oftentimes makes you feel like you're on. Vigor also helps. The next question is from Pride Movement Fitness. Why did you guys partner up versus going solo? How did you balance the ego of I'm bringing this much to the business, but they're only bringing this much? That last sentence right there is the death nail and any successful group, whether you look at music or business, that whole attitude of... Almost six years and that's never been said in this business. And I'll tell you what, there are definitely moments when in times in what we do where one person's doing a lot more than the other or bringing more value. Nobody says it, nobody... If anything, I'll acknowledge the other person is. I'll never try to do that for myself because I know that that's the death nail for any successful team. You know what? It's really this, it's realizing that however good and awesome you are, you're not the best at everything. So surrounding yourself with people who are better than you at other things. When I was younger, that was a hard thing for me to see because it felt like a weakness to myself, like, oh, that person's better than me at this and it was like a hard ego check. As I got older, I loved it. Now I'm like, oh, that person's better than me at this. I'm so glad I'm working with them so that that person can bring that thing to the table. There's no way that... I'm just speaking for myself. There's no way that I would be able to do anywhere near what we're able to do without working with the team that I work with because they bring things to the table that I either can't or don't want to. And that's just the reality, it's a fact of life. Yeah, it's humbling. I mean, it's one of those things that you look at strengths and you look at your own strengths, your own weaknesses, but obviously if you can see around you and you see greatness, like you wanna associate yourself with people around you that will elevate you. And so to be able to maintain that is definitely tricky. And it's something that you wanna always think that you're doing your best and putting your best foot forward. And again, it moves around. It moves around with people's strengths. And so you have to be able to kind of feed them in any way possible that you can. And it's definitely one of those things that it's an ego thing that you gotta check on yourself and know that we're all putting in effort. We all wanna win. And this all comes from being part of a team and thinking of it more of a team instead of an individual. I was just grateful that I grew up in all the sports that I played because it really taught me a lot of those lessons with great players and great coaches and people that had roles that they were killing. And I know I could lean on them for certain roles that they were gonna fulfill. And when there wasn't that, how shitty we were as a collective unit. And so it's allowing them to shine. It's allowing each person to shine in their strengths and to just pass the ball. Pass the ball, shoot, be ready to shoot, but you gotta pass the ball. I think that there was either a lot of luck or serendipity or God, whichever one of the three that fits your narrative better. It was Iron Hoskow. Yeah, or that. I think that played a big role. And the reason why I say that is that to get four alpha men in the room that are all very confident individually and have had success on their own to think that we're all just gonna fall in suit together, it maybe was even a little bit of us being naive, but worked out. It really did. And I think part of why it worked out is somewhat where we were in our life. Everybody's in their late 30s, some older. You have myself, I had already partnered with Justin. So Justin and I had a relationship that goes back well before a mine pump. And so we'd work together. So I knew that his skill sets complimented mine really well. We were very different, but we also had that sport background that he's alluding to where winning is more important than either of us individually. We already had that. We'd already been to war together in business. So I already felt confident with that. I feel like Sal and Doug had a very similar relationship. They first had built a relationship as client and trainer. And many times when you meet someone very unique and special like that, you build a bond and a relationship. They had built that already. They were already starting to do business together. So they had this mutual respect. And also I think Sal and Doug saw that in each other. The same thing that Justin and I saw, they complimented each other's strengths and weaknesses. And so they had built that and forged. And then the fact that when we all got together, it really was just like, there's a lot of, even though we're all very different, there's a lot of Sal and I have a lot of similarities. And I think Doug and Justin have a lot of similarities. And it's like, but yet different enough that Justin compliments even more of Doug and Sal compliments even more of me or however you wanna look at it. And so then the four of us joining together made this perfect marriage for a business. And I think it also mattered that we all wanted to build something really big. Like none of us were in it for like a dollar amount. Like, oh, I wanna make this much money and I'll be happy because we could have done something similar even though nothing like MinePump would ever happen. But we all could have been very successful building some sort of a social platform, doing digital programs, selling it online, creating a presence for yourself and all had individual successful business. But there's no way we would have been able to scale to where we are now and where we're going without all of us together. And I think everybody kind of wanted that going in. Everybody wanted to build something really special and big. We wanted to change things. Yeah, and because we all had this crazy vision, it worked. And all of us, no one wanted to be the man. Like nobody cared. I knew that's when I knew we were gonna be really successful early, very early on when no one wanted the limelight. No one said they wanted to be this leader person or like I'm the one who's in charge, then you follow me or wanting to be in the programs or wanting to be on the YouTube channel or wanting to be the face of the brand. Nobody wanted any of that. Like everybody was like, nah, I don't want it. Like let's give it to somebody else or let's promote somebody else or let's put somebody else out there. And when you have four people like that wanna win that bad and are that selfless going into it and then that much experience, I mean you get something like this. So I think it's very special and I don't know if I could have done, figured out three other people that I could have done this with. And so, I don't know, call it luck, call it serendipity, call it whatever you wanna call it. But there's definitely a lot of that. And I don't see a lot of four partnerships getting together to build a business and working that off. No, I would say that the first step is finding the right people to work with. But the next step, because let's say you do that, which is hard by the way, I mean finding the right people to work with and partner with, that's a tough obstacle to overcome. Once you do, then that means you're gonna be successful, right? Oh, I got the right people, we're all working together, we're all gonna crush. Now comes the bigger obstacle, that's the egos. The egos kick in. You see this again in music, in business, in sports, you get the right people working together, then they start to do well and then the real challenge kicks in. Now it's one person feeling like they're the one that's doing everything or they're the star of the show and it destroys amazing things. And so we did that first part, we found each other, worked together. Second part, I think we're doing pretty good too, is checking those egos. But it's a constant thing, it's a constant thing and it's really showing the other people that you value them rather than showing them how valuable you are. I think that's kind of a better way to put it. Well, to that point, as the business grew, so we made no money the first year, second year started to make a little bit of money, third years when it really started to turn in crank, that was the first time what you're saying right now, I think was really challenged. And I don't feel like it was a challenging decision, it was a very quick, easy decision for all this because I think our heads were already there, which is, it would have been very easy to line our own pockets as the business started to scale early on, but we reinvested in people. We knew that this again was much greater and bigger than us and that if we were gonna build this thing that's gonna be around for a very long time and it's gonna supply jobs for many people and do these great things, it can't just be about us. And even, and that's a very tempting moment probably. And I, if I was 25 and in that same position and I saw the amount of money that was coming in the account and knowing that quarter that is mine, if I want it, like- That's a Bentley right there. Right, that would have been a very challenging situation to be in in my early 20s, where we were all at. Like there was no doubt. I mean, we were very, very cautious with that. And then when we got to a point where we felt comfortable that we can invest it instead of investing it in ourselves and paying ourselves more money, we said, let's go out and find other people that we can build this thing with that we think that will add value to this team. And so, and we've continued to do that. And so, you know, you don't see us like a lot of these Instagram influencers, you know, driving around the Bentley and doing shit like that, that's flashy and look at me because, you know, it was never about us. It was always about building something that was greater than us. And I think that that was never a conversation. Not one of us, you know, spoke up and said, hey, I would like to take a bigger salary or hey, I'd like some more of my money. Everybody was always about, you know, putting it back into the business and into people and it's never been different. Let's take my Lambo back. Look, MinePump is recorded on video as well as audio. Come check us out on YouTube, MinePump podcast. You can also find all of us on Instagram, including the host, Doug. You can find Doug at MinePump, Doug. You can find Justin at MinePump, Justin. You can find me at MinePump Sal and Adam at MinePump, Adam.