 Hey guys! Cool little thing we're doing right here. Jay and I had such a fun time doing our discussion about Supernatural in general back in the summer of this year. We decided to do a review of the first episode of Supernatural season 15. So I'm really happy Jay that you were able to do this with me because it was such a fun time doing it, the conversation, the debate with you last time. So I was really happy that we could do a review of the first episode here. Well thank you for inviting me to do it again. I appreciate it and also I'm really excited to talk about it because I watched your video and thank you watched my video. I think we got some conflicting points. Yeah there's a few. This is definitely going to be an interesting back and forth. I guess we'll start off with the very beginning which something that I actually thought was pretty good but I didn't mention in my review but you did in yours was the recap on that transition to the actual episode. That was in my opinion the smoothest thing they did in terms of the production throughout this whole episode but I thought that was actually pretty well done just actually transitioning into them fighting. I thought that was a pretty good edit. I think obviously it's pretty subjective how you would look at it but I loved everything about the recap. They used like a really good song I think was famous final scene by Bob Siger which I think worked perfectly with the transition from the recap into the actual episode and them fighting the zombies and all that stuff and like also the road so far thing had the impala behind it which matched the color scheme with the new title card and then just everything about it was like perfect for me at least. I was fangirling this entire episode so I will say that my opinion is definitely biased here when it comes to that but I just I think the recap was well done it did a good job at highlighting the important parts of season 14 like we only had to see Nick on screen twice and one of those was when he was dying so like I'm cool with it you know. My dad actually had to ask what was that part and was like yeah that's a part that thankfully didn't go the way that a lot of people thought it was and I was kind of happy about that. Oh yeah no definitely I'm so glad that looks pretty good. I used that line of yours actually the herpes a super used that in conversation before. I love that. It was a good point. So going from the recap to the actual episode itself I know you had a much like more positive opinion of it than I did. I liked there were some parts of it that I thought were okay but some of it just felt like the most rushed dinner of all time there was some parts that were not just talking about camera wise but just production wise just writing and everything you just seem really really sloppy in some parts really subjective really on the point like absolutely going for a stretch which is one of the parts we'll talk about later. It wasn't a horrible episode but it had a lot of issues with it to the point where I am kind of concerned that this season is going to be as mitigatingly horrible as I feel season 14 will be I hope it isn't but that's kind of my thoughts. I know you have a you have a bit of a different opinion of it like what were your thoughts of the episode kind of like a short part? Well I think firstly it's kind of hard to tell exactly where the season's going to go just based off of the first 45 minutes of it you know in terms of like the way that they styled the episode there were things I liked and then there was also things I questioned like uh the camera angles there was like this one scene where it was when Belphagar and Dean were talking when they had that low camera angle I don't know if you know what I'm talking about yeah there was a huge amount of headspace to the left. I know that was bothering the living crap at me. It was waiting for him literally just to hold up his hand I was like all right you could have done a different cut for that part yeah but there was other parts too like the for instance the conversation in the car and they were using the mirror for Jack that was good I like that camera angle but then there were some that were just like that running the ghosts chasing after Sam and Castiel in the street just looked fucking horrible it looked like a really bad student film. I think the Bloody Mary looked like more like the chick from the ring honestly. Oh yeah well when she came out of the wall I thought that was cool because I kind of thought like all right was that actually there or did they dig a hole in that person's yard and I kind of was wondering how they shot that like how they did it um it was it was admittedly that part like how she came out of the water was cool but yeah it was like oh like all the money for costume design clearly went to the clown and then the other ones got scraps. Yeah the the clown looked cool everybody else kind of the ghost like I think the zombies in the apocalypse not the apocalypse I think the zombies in the graveyard looked pretty well done just oh yeah definitely all them too but the ghosts just it was only John Wayne Gasey that cared about yeah well and that's I guess kind of going back to the factor of the show right they they haven't explained that they said oh it made it kind of look like at least in the end of season 14 they made it that God had made all the things that they had killed come back even though some of it didn't make any sense because some were ghosts that were completely obliterated from existence like they didn't go to purgatory they didn't go to hell they just disappeared um and so like when the woman in white was there it's like how the fuck are you there like the ghost made sense because someone pointed out or sorry the clown made sense because someone pointed out that that's a monster which I forgot man it's been a while since I've seen it for the second season but that's something that that is one of the reasons why I'm kind of a bit hesitant about this season is because dab is already doing a few writing laziness and that's what's going to lead me into my next part which is that absolutely ridiculous conclusion those brothers come up to by just seeing a car on the side of the road like hey that's a woman in white the only thing that I think would actually lead Sam and Dean to thinking it's a woman in white would be the fact that there's nobody in the car because in the lower woman in white are known for kidnapping men off roads and rivers but how often do you come across the car and you're just like boom it's a woman in white well like no it was so fast like they didn't need to have them explain it there all they would have had to have done is Sam could have seen the thing later and be like hey that's the woman in white it's not the same actress but you know it's the woman in white remember her but they get it from a car on the side of the road they've seen tons of cars on the side of the road with blood in it no yeah exactly that's that was the one thing I noticed I mean when I'm watching the episode I'm mostly just crying over Sam and Dean not gonna lie but that kind of made me think that they didn't want to spend too much time on having Sam and Dean actually figure out that the ghosts that they put or like killed were back so I mean yeah I agree with you on that I think that they should have spent more time either figuring out that the ghosts were back or like you said just have Sam and Dean be like hey it's the woman in white not from like a car you know yeah it's it just felt like it was rushed there was a lot of stuff that was rushed in it there was some odd choices with the budget like for instance what was it I know for a fact they definitely spent a lot of money shutting down Ladner like the town and that residential area that would have cost money to do that and on a show that like with Supernatural's budget I imagine most of the episode's budget went to shutting down Ladner and and the and they only probably could have done that during the day there's no way they would have like in the residential area there's no way they could have done that at night because there's a lot of old people live in Ladner and they wouldn't have signed off on that but I don't know I like I said I don't think it's a horrible episode I just think that there's a lot of things that don't bode well for me in your video you had some pretty you have some high hopes and how this season is going you had a positive outlook on this episode so like what were the things that you enjoyed about this episode and gives you that idea of you know positive outlook on the season that's aside from my skeptical outlook all right so I mean firstly I liked a lot about this episode I liked how Jack was possessed yeah that was good I'll agree there yeah that was really good I liked that I am obviously really biased when it comes to Supernatural so I just I loved this this episode in general just because I liked you know having the show back I think that while this episode was good on my standards we don't we didn't really get a whole lot of information about what Sam and Dean are really going to be facing this season especially with the issues with God because that was like the main problem at the end of season 14 was hey God is kind of screwing everything up you know but I think that the issues with hell are probably going to be resolved sooner than we think because I don't know if you saw there were promo pictures released for the third episode and it shows Sam, Dean, Cass, Belfagar, and Rowena in the same cemetery where everything had happened and it kind of looks like they're doing a spell so I'm going to assume that that's like the episode where they're trying to fix that stuff but I don't know how that's going to go that is a that is a trait of Dav he does tend to start storylines and then drops them really really quickly or resolves them with absolutely astounding flair so that I'll admit there will be a sense of unpredictability not in the good sense but there will be that in this in this season for sure I also think that because the show runners love spoiling the show before the episodes come out we already know that Chuck isn't done messing with Sam and Dean and you know ending the world and all that stuff so I think having that come in a little bit later will help progress the story forward a little bit so we're not spending so much time with Sam and Dean wondering what the hell they're going to do more and have more of them focusing on hey what are we actually going to do and doing that stuff that just probably did not make sense but um no no no I get what you mean like they're trying to give some tension to it but well we saw how many different storylines in the last season there was five six too many I agree with you there like I did like season 14 uh but yeah they dropped the Michael storyline and they dropped the Lucifer storyline there was a thing in the ground like Kentucky fried chicken or was that season 13 oh that was season 13 yeah obviously we can agree on that that whatever is possessing Jack gave that character a very nice breath breath of fresh air in terms of something new to him like I think that's the most I've enjoyed Jack in his entire run of his character I was like wow he actually has a personality oh my god yeah I mean I I agree with you I think it is really refreshing to see Alex play another character that is pretty different from how Jack is I think it really gives us a chance to see his skills as an actor besides what he can portray as Jack and in the show it also shows us how Sam and Dean and Cass work with someone possessing their dead adopted child but I think it's pretty compelling I just don't think Belfagar the demon who's possessing him is going to be around for too long I have a few reasons too so yeah some people who are thinking it's either Adam or it's Crowley or I don't I I'm definitely I don't think Mark Shepard's gonna come back I think he got burned in a really bad way by Andrew Dev I don't think he's coming back fucking the way that Crowley died I will never be over that oh he's pissed remember he like I saw there was a video of him talking about how they actually had a a can't like a kind of a campaign with a shirt and everything it was the last line he was supposed to say before he killed himself yeah what wasn't something about I do it my way oh in the end I win in the end I always win or something like that yeah and he was supposed to say that but they cut it mm-hmm and that when I heard about that I wanted to like punch myself in the face I was so mad because that would have been perfect yeah it made it would have made some sense to that completely random stupid death the season 12 I've always counted that as like the season finale anyways has been the tipping point of when this show just took a nosedive into poopyville like just in my in my opinion yeah and then coming to the end of the episode that last shot the one where I called it right when I saw Sam when oh I knew it when Dean first opened up the trunk is like I know how this episode is gonna end I was like they're gonna do it and I I've gone back and forth between liking it and thinking it's incredibly pandering to the whole fan service idea and that's kind of one of the reasons why I'm a bit hesitant is I have a feeling that this is going to be a massive fan service machine Andrew Dabbs already been quite obvious that he will do fan service over storytelling any day of the week and we didn't really I felt really you didn't need to show the first episode ending you didn't need to we would have gotten that but that edit I understand why it was there but I think that's what he's doing like if say a show like can you think of any other show that has gone on as long well not obviously none none have gone on this long mind you Gray's Anatomy might do this I heard Gray's Anatomy is like on their 15th season as well and they might be coming to an end soon but in terms of shows that have come to an end they don't spend the entirety of their run reminiscing about the past and like being fan servicey they are coming to the end of their story so that's kind of where I'm coming from is do you feel this will actually be a story full episode or is this going to be more of a fan service pandering episode or sorry season well first of all I just want to say I did like the little part at the end I think I screamed a little bit when I saw it because I knew it was going to happen but it made me excited but um I while I don't agree with the whole like fan service stuff like I agree with you saying that Andrew Dabb has taken fan service to a point where sometimes it does affect the storyline I think being able to bring supernatural backs to its roots of just like Sam and Dean against the odds of everything uh kind of makes us feel like it's similar to season one if that makes sense like I know a lot of people said that they think season one is like the best season supernatural and while I disagree with that I like the idea of season 15 having some of those callbacks and the elements that the earlier seasons had um and while I am a giant fan of the show and I would love to see you know all these characters come back if they do come back I want them to come back in a way that serves the plot purpose for example Adam is going to be back this season and I think bringing him back is a huge fan service but there is a lot of potential in his storyline that wasn't dove into and I'm really excited to see him back because how long it's been but also for the reason that if they have any potential if I can add what is what do you what what do you mean by that what's your reason as to what do you think it would be interesting for him to come back for Adam yeah I think it would be interesting for him to come back because Adam was a character that we didn't really get a lot of uh well no technically never met him while he was alive yeah you're right actually yeah shit not I think about it yeah because he was there was not the shape shifters but what were they the ghouls ghouls yes I think they had killed him and then he had came back as a ghoul and then killed him again it wasn't I don't I just remember yeah it wasn't actually him he was dead and then I just remember them absolutely carving up Sam and kind of wondering yeah he got off of pretty you got away from that pretty okay like I'm pretty sure he's got some really deep lacerations there yeah I mean it's supernatural they never scar anyway but um I think the idea of Sam and Dean having like some long lost brother I think in season five the idea was good but also I kind of was in the middle about it because I was like why are they bringing in some random person that we've never met before that's like saying that they're now related Sam and Dean and they now have something to do with the apocalypse it was a little confusing but now I think the fact that Adam is in the cage because of Sam and Dean I think that he's gonna probably hold a grudge against Sam and Dean yeah he would yeah so that's what I'm hoping for because in my mind right now I'm thinking if Adam comes back Michael's gonna come back too right but I'm thinking Michael's gonna be more pissed off at God than anything oh I'm just really hoping that we do not go down like because that Michael storyline in the last season was already fucking horrible yeah it was a terrible storyline so I'm hoping that's kind of my fear is I Adam coming back is interesting but the idea of another Michael coming back again well the thought that I had was I mean I obviously they can't have Michael back as like a villain because that would be just like another plot dropped you know like they did last season I think if Michael was working with Sam and Dean which is like a stretch of me to say but it makes a little bit of sense because like I said Michael and Adam have been in the cage for God knows how long if I think anyone's gonna be pissed off it's gonna be Michael and Adam and Michael's gonna be pissed off of God and he's you know I just kind of like rambled for a little bit but I guess my point is I think Michael would be more willing to work with Sam and Dean against God if it means that you know because yeah yeah I kind of be interested if he came back he's a bumbling mess like what Gabriel who shouldn't have been brought back at all was how he was like a mutant he was like he was traumatized and everything that's technical that's how Adam and Michael should be when they come out of that yeah yeah exactly but knowing the way that supernatural has been I don't think they're gonna do that just because I if they I mean Sam was okay after the cage but he was soulless so I'm we don't really know that much about the cage besides what they also had the they had the shield right the death put that shield in his head and yes uh death had put a wall in Sam's head but Sam ends up breaking the wall yeah he did of season seven I mean part of me wants to rewatch season six just to see soulless Sam again because there was a few things he did that were quite funny yeah but that was funny enough Jared Padalecki trying not to rally him really a moat in acting made his act it's like his role that much more entertaining I love Jared Padalecki no yeah I I know that everyone shits on season six and seven but I did like season six six I think that six had the impossibility of coming back from the realistic ending of the show seven's not very good but now after the recent seasons I'm really willing to watch re rewatch season seven again and think okay maybe it wasn't that bad I think the only episode I absolutely despised is in season seven and it's season seven time for a wedding when like Becky and speaking of Becky's gonna be back to this season which that's a lot of fan service like what that is okay I'm okay with literally every single name that I've heard come back up for characters that are gonna be back except for Becky yeah that's just so that's so insane of how long I don't know but again Supernatural is an oddity itself the only other show that's run as long as this show has is is literally the one I mentioned earlier which is Grey's Anatomy so yeah and I only know about that show because my roommate watches it often and sometimes I get pulled into that it's tripe but it's dramatic tripe see that's why I just only watch Supernatural so like I don't get to experience anything else except that so all right so I guess coming up to the end here so you saw obviously my reaction I saw yours something that's been interesting though at least in the comment section for my review so far I'm used to getting a lot of people both agreeing and disagreeing with me and which is fine you know that's totally and I like that you and I can have this conversation we can have our disagreements we can have our counters and we're not yelling at each other all right right um yeah I always appreciate that um but I've noticed that only one person I've so far in my reviews maybe there might be another one by now um but only one person kind of be like you know what no you're just kind of being a pessimist which is like no it's it's called critiquing but um that's the only one everyone else so far is agreeing with me and it's kind of I'm not used to this much people these many people agreeing with me so what is that like do you think that maybe some people are starting to want to see at least from the point of view that I've had that maybe Supernatural has been kind of running a bit of a ridiculous trend here and there are some people who are legitimately fearful that this season might suck well I mean I've seen a lot of positive reactions to season 15 so far um at least from my end but to be fair on my end I'm making videos that are more positive towards Supernatural you know and not saying that yours are negative but you critique them a lot more than I do oh yeah so different audiences right yeah yeah but I you know a lot of the things that you present are very you know valid and I understand where you're coming from a lot when it comes to some of the critiques you have on the show but like at least from my point I can understand where other people would agree with you too you know so you know people as long as you have like a good point to what you're saying right it's it's always that's something that I feel that the world has kind of forgotten is that we used we need critiques to be better for ourselves yeah and like some people like some people have pointed out me being wrong about a few things and I'll be like yeah okay I was wrong about that yeah exactly yeah oh did we talk about the equalizer oh be putting it in putting it in the gulf compartment I I thought okay I just thought about that because I wrote something down about um Sam's wound uh when Cass was trying to heal him because you had said something about how Dean had like put the rubbing alcohol oh yeah he's just like here you go bud you just got this bullet and here's here's some rubbing alcohol that'll make it all better oh yeah but I actually I wrote a counter to that because uh because Cass tried healing it yeah and it didn't work and then also the gun doesn't use bullets like God said in season 14 so I don't really think Dean can like go digging in a wound that doesn't have a bullet in it that yeah don't you're right actually yeah you're true it's uh it's using energy or some business and whatnot yeah it uses the energy of the universes or some shit like that I don't know God was like on crack gun made that so then doing my review thing so I gave it a three out of seven so I'd like to if you would entertain me here what out of seven out of my weird seven thing what would you have given this episode if you were to rate it on a seven I would give it a 6.5 out of seven because I really liked the episode and I would probably rate every single episode a seven except for that one episode in season seven but yeah oh no no it's good to have a fan it's a I'll admit while I have been pessimist uh oh I said it while I have been uh very critical of the show in the last little while admittedly leading up to the like to the beginning of this season I'll let to admit that I was going through a bit of the motions on the drive to from work to home that Thursday night and I was thinking to myself this is actually finally coming to an end the thing that I've been talking about and wanting for so long is actually happening and I'm having a small tiny molecule of regret that it's actually happening now because this has been a part of my life since I was in high school this has been for the last 15 years so I'm definitely feeling that feeling that other people are definitely not to the extent that some are because some people are like I don't know how I'm gonna live without supernatural that's basically me you know it's like I'll move I'll be able to move on but admittedly it's it's it is absolutely crazy that this is actually finally happening from a person who's watching this since I was 15 years old it must be insane so I kind of want to ask you like how you must be feeling you must be feeling going through a bit of a wave of your emotions yourself more like an identity crisis I don't know man it's it's when I first found out the show ended I was at work and I started balling because I didn't know how to handle that and then I made a 30 minute video of me crying about it and then I unlisted that video because I was embarrassed about it but uh my take on it is I personally I am excited to see where Jared Jensen and Misha go after the show how they further their acting careers but also I yeah I'm sad that the show is ending because this show has meant the world to me I've been watching it for about six years now I'm 17 so that's 17 16 15 14 13 12 since I've been watching it since I was about 11 or 12 so while that isn't a lot of as much time as some other people may have been watching it it's still like a good chunk of my lifetime you know and it's now it's like this is like my last year of high school and it's like supernaturals and oh man you're going to college so it's like yeah so it's like not only did they am I losing supernatural but I'm I'm not losing supernatural I I'm I'm not going to get supernatural how I've been getting it and how I'm used to getting it for so long as I'm have as I'm going through like one of my biggest life changes so that's going to be stressful but yeah you're going to go through a bit that's kind of yeah that is actually kind of crazy to think about that that you're going through a double a double little thing right there oh yeah so like like what like uh like Sam uh what like uh Shepard said there's always be reruns yeah of course I'm gonna be watching supernatural from season one to 15 like probably until the day I die well I'm hopefully before I die I'll be able to finally reach up to season 10 because that's like my retro reviews I'm almost at the end of season one and it only took me almost three years so so I binge watching supernatural is fun yeah no it is pretty fun I mean yeah I that just came into my head because I one time watched 13 seasons of supernatural in eight days it was how yeah um I slept for three hours for that entire week and I did not leave my house at all no I would have slept through about a good two or three seasons I'm admittedly I'm actually really curious to come back to season to season seven to to ten because I barely remember shit from any of them particularly eight nine and ten I I really actually no I remember a little bit of ten but I remember jack shit from eight and nine eight is my favorite season is that the one where Castiel almost kills Dean which time well when he's beating him like because he's being controlled by what's her name Naomi yeah Naomi yeah that's that's uh season eight I think that's episode that's the only episode I remember that's it I don't remember any other episode oh I remember an episode where Castiel as a human was like traveling from different places there was like cuts of him like in different bus stops oh I know exactly what episodes you're talking about because I think that's my favorite episode uh when he's going from restaurant to restaurant yeah oh that's season eight episode 21 yeah season eight great escapist yeah so okay I only remember two things for the entire season so yeah yeah it'll be it'll be fun to see you know I hope I would love to be in the position to rewatch season eight for the first time so like I know you're not rewatching it for the first time but it feels oh yeah no it feels like it so enjoy it it'd be nice yeah what anyways Jay thank you for this review I really appreciated that um well definitely we probably should do another one for the mid-season both the mid-season finale and the mid-season return and obviously the finale so yeah we'll do like to back and forth if you want to do that yeah of course all right well anyways guys thanks for watching the video here hope you enjoyed our conversation I always enjoy talking to Jay here about supernatural because we always can have really cohesive respectful and enjoyable conversations about the show despite the fact that we have different opinions of it which is always nice to have and I wish that other supernatural fans would have that I'm it I'm a bit no I'm a bit of a I can be a little bit narcissistic with some of my comments but I always enjoy having like a respectful and open and nice just a general nice conversation so thank you again Jay thank you for that and thank you for not uh yeah thank you for doing that too all right guys well all right obviously supernatural is going to continue on so season our episode two will be coming out maybe it might be coming out the day of this release well it depends on how fast I edit this so anyways see y'all later thanks for enjoying watching the video make sure to check out Jay's channel because she produces some awesome stuff she just went to a con in where was it new jersey and she spent more money than I I is amazing but she obviously got to see all the actors and everything because it's but no better time than now to see them all I'm trying to find a way to pay for them in Vancouver to see because it seems like I have to pay money to be able to pay money to buy these tickets because the the website's so horrible yeah you need a guy she needs to get their shit together guide to get through this shit yeah it took me forever to figure out how to buy the tickets I was on it for like 10 minutes yesterday and I don't know I don't know what it did do you know the amount of stress it was buying the last gold ticket and trying to navigate through that site I can only imagine I I literally thought I wasn't going to get my ticket but I did so all right all right guys well thanks for watching the video and keep watching our channels for all supernatural business and we'll see you on the next one bye