 And hopefully you back home or where you are at maybe at your office can see me as well a Very good day and welcome to this webinar It's the very first one out of the impact program by Tilburg University This is where we are right now in the cube. Maybe you can see it. It's actually a very nice big Auditorium quite empty because it could easily fit like 200 or 300 people but today I've got some guests with me and Obviously you as being the viewer For this webinar on youth in times of corona and we've got Several researchers and also people who work on programs for youngsters in corona times to discuss What they are researching and as well what they found already So from your left to right, we've got Hetwig van Bakel, Ton Wilde, Hagen and Loes Keizers And in this very first part up and until 4.15 We will zoom in on what they found in their research so far and then after the break this will be about 4.25 we'll zoom in on more future ideas by two other speakers that I will announce shortly after But maybe a very very quick Get to know each other if you would be on a birthday whenever it's possible again like a Friday evening And you would bump into random new people. How would you introduce yourself loose? Can I start with you? Yeah, of course loose geysers. I'm an associate professor in developmental psychology and I study teenagers What do they need to thrive in life? How can parents support them? And here's my secret secret element. I'm a little bit of a geek and I really like statistics You do like statistics actually yeah cool, Ton. How would you introduce yourself? Well, I'm a professor in Anything that is related to work. So whatever work unemployment training social security labor relations So the whole world of work Thank you, Hetwig Hetwig van Bakel. I'm a professor in infant mental health And I study babies especially babies toddlers preschoolers and their parents Excellent, so you cover a various age ranges of these young people what I didn't tell before but what is actually is true My own name is Rudy van Beurde. I'm the host I'm just super curious about what people are doing. So I go from organization to organization to ask them anything But I'm not the only one being able to ask questions because in the crowdcast Software you are able to put in your questions and they will pop up on the screen right here So I can ask them as well So if we come across something and you want to ask either one of them something just Shout it out there into the chat and we will be able to respond to it But maybe Tony we can start with you first because we actually did one of the podcasts already This is the online live webinar. Maybe people will view it in the replay But there will be also additional podcasts. They will be in Dutch We were here before last week a little bit spooky with the two of us in a lot of lights They went on and off whenever and we spoke about the Dutch labor Markets for especially young people in corona times Before we dive into that if we talk about this topic you'd in times of corona What do we talk about? What is actually the canvas we will be working on in this very webinar? The main thing is whether young people will be able to make the transition from school to the labor market During a time of crisis and it has become more complicated Anyway, since the last crisis and it will be more complicated in the current times and What are the reasons for it being this? complicated Well, one thing is that very particular in this crisis because of the lockdown as some sectors have been put on hold I think of events tourism restaurants bars and they typically employ young people So even if we go to the terraces and bars more than we could do the employment rate will Rather smaller than it used to be so all those young people that thought this is a good education because this is where I would like to work I would to organize festivals events They they might might really run into problems now So obviously unemployment in the Netherlands like in other countries is rising This morning on their news radio. I heard that even in the upcoming next month Maybe another 8,000 companies will fail and go bankrupt But our young people a semester Lee being hit by unemployment or is it? spread evenly among us Two kinds of problems one is trying to make this successful transition from school to labor market But the other thing is the young people that are already on the labor market They typically are employed in what we call in another flexible relationships so flexible contracts and The the rise of the number of those contracts has been quite extreme in the Netherlands so in general four out of ten people are in flexible kind of relationships in the labor market, but for young people is more than a half so it means that your Employment security is less solid. So now that the the companies and the organizations are reducing stuff Well, it's like, you know, you're the the last one in and the easiest one out because you're you have this This flexible contract So for them, it's actually not such a good thing to be as flexible as they were before because They leave the job More easily. Yeah, if if can if companies adapt they through it by reusing the flexible shell And this is well where the the the young people and the school leavers They are there Overrepresented so it means that you can always see that in the in the figures now that the the rise of Employment is especially the rise of youth employment and especially of the young people that are in those contracts Yeah, that's money. We talk about you to what age range has your personal interest What would you like to focus on as a researcher? I mean my interest is very broad but in this case if we talk about youth then it's up to 27 and not saying that 28 or 29 is a different case, but that is also where policies also fit in so anywhere from, you know, 15 227 yeah, and we saw some of these reasons for the so-called gig economy like flexible contracts This was happening already like delivery boys and girls, you know Racing on their bikes through the city to get hot meals delivered at people's homes So this was going on before the pandemic obviously already What did the corona the COVID pandemic add to these factors for the youngsters to enter the job market? Well, it's also important many of those jobs are also side jobs for students also for our students So it's not only young people that have made a well a final transition From school to those jobs. So the people that are in school also have those jobs, but they also need them So our students also needs the side jobs to really have an income to be able to Well to rent a room or anything. So what changed of course is that in some ways The there has been of course a growth in those activities because we've been ordering pizza from home And so the people and on the electric bikes came and brought the pizza to us but in general if you look at the Well, the bars the restaurants Events etc. This has been really locked down. So some jobs have increased also in supermarkets More young people were there also to clean the cars and anything but this platform development Has been developing fasting very fast and that will also continue So this is a bit the modern labor market that young people are already in the modern labor markets So some some all the generations are still in the more secure typical jobs and that's a main difference Yeah, because that's actually my following question Is this something job security and this didn't quite fit in the length of the podcast that we already Put on tape Do we need to seek for job security because you told when the mic was off that in some other countries? The whole view on job security is different Is it something we have to embrace in the Netherlands as well that you simply would not have a job for the upcoming 20 or 30 years? I mean that's nothing against Flexibility people also want flexibility to be able to like work from home But the main thing is whether this flexibility is without any Modern kind of security and so my main concept I developed is flex security and flex security means that You are being supported and so the issue is not so much that your job may end Because it's a short-term job But if there is a if there are festivities In order to move to the next job or to be able to invest significantly in training So you can do other jobs than the flexibility is not an issue But in the Netherlands and we have sort of two segments now The stable jobs with all the investments and the flexible jobs with very low investment and that is I think the real problem And what would be some of these facilities that you are supporting suggesting? Well, at least have access to proper training or have an individual account where you have means for training because training is expensive And currently this is really depending on your status on the labor market So it's rather unfair because especially if you are in flexible jobs, you need to be able to move on to other employment So actually the arrangements in the labor market. We are still using are more like the 1950s And the young people are really in the 2020 labor market situation And so the institutions the organizations the rules didn't catch up with the developments in the labor market and is then the pandemic this COVID-19 period the time to Discover these opportunities to implement these or isn't initiative being taken fast enough already You will not be able to adapt You know that quickly because it's more like a systemic reform that you have to do and there's no time for that now And the money goes now to try to keep people in the jobs that are still available And the sad thing is that we Experienced the same thing on the lower level maybe then now in the previous crisis, but we didn't really do much So we got stuck in the in the same Political debates and didn't do any reforms. So the question is whether we will do it after this crisis But the main thing is now to use, you know What we got to offer the support and then of course move on to the more systemic change But because this is lacking now and the support structures are not efficient So we have to combine what is there regionally in the industries in the sectors where the governments at the central ever can do So we have to be very practical to offer the support for those quite vulnerable groups. Yeah. Yeah, and there's a There's a question popping in what is your advice Tom for young people leaving school at this moment? Well, the advice of course is to first keep in touch with your school And your school wants to know what you are doing and they might also be able to help maybe You might return to school. Maybe not for full education, but they can also support you second if it takes too long to find employment in the In the domain in the sector where you did your studies and courses for and think of What else you could do and the problem is that we have sort of Influenced young people to have rather small job dreams And that is okay, but if it doesn't work So you have to be more flexible if you wanted to organize festivals because you are, you know, really good at Organizing things and the festivals will not be there for more than a year Think of what you can organize in the healthcare sector if you are a very good Organizer well lots of organization is Needed in that sector. We've seen that when we had to bring people from one hospital to the other So think of in terms of your skills, not just your courses or study but think about the skills that you have developed the skills and then Even maybe on a temporary basis move on to something else. You can always return but don't stay at home Don't really only watch try to go to play fortnight free you have to be active And so that is the main thing don't just sit down Be active build a professional network talk to people and see what you can do on the short term as well Yeah, keep moving actually. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks Tom. We will be back with you But first loose we talked with Tom about the the step from yeah being a student to find a job It's difficult in this time. Maybe a lot of youngsters stay at home You are so interested in this very age group like the the young pubers we say in Dutch How do you say that in English and lessons and the lessons that's it? How how are they doing because you follow them with one of your research just maybe you can tell something about it Yeah, actually at the moment we're doing two research projects one is the cold adopt project and we have been following already approximately 200 families for two weekly surveys for five times and then the lockdown measures were taken and Now we're still following them So we have quite good overview of what has changed in family situations where lessons live with the families And what we see is on average that things don't change very much in terms of whether they have conflicts Or how supportive their parents are But the differences between families have tremendously increased So we see that on average there are no changes But for some families the situation really get worse and for other families it gets better So don't be fooled by the average if you look at What's happening to youth nowadays for some there might be beneficial effects and for some that might actually be harmful effects For instance for their mental health for the family situation. I think we need to be sensitive to that So that's one project that is currently running and we're really monitoring what's going on in these families And then another project we're actually trying to really support adolescents to really support them in this and times of Insecurity where they really have to cope with daily stress and because they're young They don't really have the life skills that adults have to cope with stress So we together with Erasmus Medical Center We've built a grow it up and at this point in time 800 youth are playing the app It's a serious game and it challenged them every day to get out of the comfort zone to do something to deal with stress To solve problems to seek for distraction and all these life skills that we really want a youth to have in order to be resilient Against the crisis and this gives you a very big insight already because I saw I talked of you Some some time ago by the University of the Netherlands And you've started from the land in which you said I as a researcher cannot simply follow all these youngsters around and measure How they are doing and what they are doing But the smartphone is the answer to get this data actually out of them But which young person who voluntarily put in this data into the app So can you tell something about the grow it app? What makes that they get hooked into it? Well, we developed it together with adolescents So we asked adolescents like if you want to know yourself how your emotional world is functioning How you can really deal with daily stressors. How can adults best support you and Actually teens they say like I don't want to go to a psychologist I mean, I'm so ashamed if I would have to go there But they would like to play a game in a team and be challenged to learn about themselves to get to know themselves They're super curious on who they are themselves because they're forming the identity So basically what they do they play in a team They build together on a tree and they get points for doing daily challenges But also for reporting five times per day Every day how they're feeling and reflecting on their feeling to give you an idea by 800 children They're now in the fifth week 800 kids have been asked five times per day a super short questionnaire on how they're feeling So we're actually at this point real time tracking how they're doing how their emotions are developing What do they grow as a person and what is the age group of these youngsters participating 12 to 25? Yeah, nice, and it's an actual tree isn't it that they built on It's a virtual tree. Yeah true Gifts for that tree and they build it together. I think that's the team element makes it work sweet Yes, nice and another group of children are very very young children had we you kickstarted to Research projects actually within this time of corona last April Can you tell something about this and as well the age group of young young children you're focusing on? Actually, we have three projects one is a project focusing on parents Parents during times of corona. How do they manage their parenting skills? It's all over the world. It's we had a baseline measure two years ago with 40 countries all over the world Western countries and non-western countries and and now in times of corona we have the opportunity to See whether parents in different countries with different lockdown measures Can do their job as a parent and whether they are stressed whether they are anxious Whether it's more exhausting to be a parent in those times so that's one of the projects and we have another project and that's on pregnant women also Whether it's difficult to have to be pregnant in times of corona because they can't see their midwives so often there are restrictions partners cannot go with them to the when they go to the midwives or to the hospital and The final project is the baby 2020 study In which we will follow children born in the three months of Yes, lockdown intelligent lockdown here, but matter those parents experienced their parenting task difference and Giving birth to a young baby during those times. It's different than Before the times of corona. So we are very interested in that and these researchers are now all still running, isn't it? So it's still hard to see what's popping up out of the results because how do you do it? If you are you standing out questionnaires like to the international countries? I'm very interested in doing observational studies. That's my main focus before the corona but nowadays we do a lot of surveys and questionnaire studies and we Get a lot of information from questionnaires also and Finally, I hope to do more in-depth Observational studies, but for those times it is very good to have questionnaires and survey studies Yeah And in an earlier research you also already focused on the child and conflict and crisis situations now that parents also had to home School maybe that's an extra dimension. Do you have children yourself where you looked in with children? Was it stressful or were you blossoming as a family? Yes, I have other lessons. So I Don't need homeschooling they do their schooling themselves So it's easier for me and I think there is a lot of difference between parents If I'm think I'm very lucky to have pupils So we call it in the Netherlands 15 year olds and because They can do their homework they can do they can chat they can Do games etc. So that's different than when you have a toddler or a very young child And you have to play all day. That's really different or you when you have to do your homeschooling for your children and you have to learn them words and Math and everything that's really difficult. I challenge from colleagues With school age children or very young children. It's very hard. So in that way, I'm probably lucky to have all the children they can Make lunch themselves and I can do my work online. So yeah, they're more it's different obviously It makes a lot of difference. Yeah, thank you. Hey loose. We talked about your app Is it also available in English? Yeah, we've had this question several times before Unfortunately, it's not because we had to comply with all the GDPR rules and all the security measures And therefore our first release was in the Netherlands So at least we would be sure that all the data are totally safe The privacy is guaranteed But it is our ambition indeed in the in the next five to eight years To really implement this in other countries and we have also been invited by a network of medical centers to do so So this is to us to start it was actually not built as a corona app. It was built for other studies But it was just released like on the day of the lockdown and we were supported by NWO the Dutch organization for scientific research To release it sooner for a more broader population. So it was also very lucky with that So now it runs for about five weeks, isn't it? Five weeks indeed. Yeah And what what will be your next steps because you're discovering some results or results already? Yeah, so what we see in first place is that Some of the negative emotions among adolescents are already decreasing with the school lockdown being Released so we see that during the corona crisis They were a little bit higher on loneliness and on irritability Which might very well be related to family situations because we also saw that for some families There were more conflicts We now see that irritability and loneliness is decreasing slightly, but their concern is increasing And we had actually not expected that but we related to school that has started again So they have maybe stress concerning Grades or exams that they have to take So we see that there's more divergence now in the in the negative emotions that they experience And that's that's one insight that we have so we will be also publish weekly updates on the emotional well-being of adolescents And on the website to grow it app.nl It's in Dutch though So but then the next steps is that we're going to ask all these Participants to provide us with feedback so we can make the app more adolescent proof more fun to play more Motivating so this is the first step in really building Building a strong app that really appeals to adolescents so they can work on preventing mental health problems by building really this life skills of coping with stress And is it just free to download for people unavailable to grow its app? It was free to download if you had a login code from the research team needed it Yeah, so they first filled in a baseline and after filling out the baseline. They got a free code to play it So they could play it for free for six weeks. Yeah, all right fair enough and and and then There's this little voice in the back of my mind like we're the way without COVID-19 growing up being an adolescence. It comes with some Winds coming from in front, you know, there's some hurdles along the way and it's just part of growing up that not Every day is a walk in the park Is this something that we should just take as being part of life or should we as as Society act upon it and do something for these youngsters who Experience loneliness or whatsoever. Yeah, I think it's on you already gave a good Start in suggesting what society should do for for adolescents for youngsters and I fully agree that we should be very careful with this Young generation. I mean, this is the future potential and these are also For the older people who are listening. These are also the people that need to take care of us So we better take good care of the next generation so that they're resilient and they have an Adaptiveness to deal with changes I think there are a couple of concrete things that we need to Consider as a society as adults. So first of all most teenagers are super resilient. Okay, they're not immediately changed by three months of of negative emotions or stress but some do and Even in one of the studies we asked adolescents to rate their quality of life on a ten-point scale from one to ten and 18% Gave their life a five or lower. Whoa Their life just at this moment failed in their point of view, right? So we need to be very careful for the 18 20 percent who is not doing well We need to support them so they don't get a depression or an anxiety disorder at this moment because we know that if you have one During your adolescence the likelihood of developing psychiatric problems later in life just increases tremendously So I think that's important that we that we take very good care of our youngsters and and the It's it's also tragic that at this point The care for youngsters is not well arranged. I mean, there's a huge waiting list for seeing a psychologist It's a huge hurdle for adolescents to visit a family doctor and Adolescents also don't necessarily want to talk to their parents. I mean some have super nice kids But some don't and they don't want to disclose everything So if you're an aunt or a neighbor or if you know adolescents in your personal surroundings talk to them Tell them that's okay to have stress But that it's not okay to not deal with it and teach them coping skills Go outside do something fun ask for help I think as society we really need to take care of the youngsters Yeah, and the app is actually providing them with some very practical advice as well It's not just measuring how they are doing the 800 youngsters, but each day they get like a task or Challenges to do. Can you mention some of those? Yeah, they get a challenge every day because we notice that they do the stupid things online, right? If there's a tick tock challenge and all the adolescents do that or they eat a spoon of cinnamon And then we felt like isn't this a mechanism through which we can also Give them other challenges. So one of the challenges we know that going outside is good for your mental health Like if you set enough steps on a day, it's good for you You release stress, but we thought it was a bit boring to ask To give homework to teenagers saying hey, you need to take a thousand steps today So instead of saying that we said to them if you know If you make a photo of a chicken Then you have managed your challenge of today So they also went outside to see for a chicken and it was fun because they could get a gift for the team tree And these are the challenges amongst others that they get Where would I go if I had to photo like take a photo of a chicken? I would have no idea. It's cost me like 40,000 steps I guess but that's a very fun way to bring it actually and Another one on a more mental level which you mentioned before as well as just simply call a friend and Ask for my own personal qualities like ask the other person what I'm good at to have this conversation on a deeper level Yeah, indeed. So I think they're the challenges are very diverse But they are they are based on cognitive behavioral therapy and really the coping strategies of which we know Can prevent mental health problems or the emergence of it. Yeah. Yeah, thank you loose There's another question popping in for Hedwig So you received seed funding for your research. Was it easy to get or is it a very big hassle? I think this is the seed funding from the university from our faculty Yeah, and that's was for the baby 2020 research project to start the first wave and Because we need some funding to recruit families and it's easier It seems to be easier when you have a little bit of funding and you can offer participants a little incentive. Yeah, so we have additional funding from the university and We hope that we have a group of parents with new bonds that will Go on in the next wave in which we can maybe give some home visits and see how the children develop because we think that especially those Children who are born now they have a really different time than other children because Visits were not allowed parents give birth and there were no happy Family visiting the newborn child how lovely the newborn child would be so it's and for some parents We know that they liked this quiet period not so many people around them only time for the new baby and some parents Think it's awful not showing their baby to the whole world So that can be another start for those parents and we will see whether finally it will also have Effects on how the parents feel in their self-efficacy as a parent how How secure they feel how they think I can manage this task as a new parent So I hope the funding will give Flow to more in-depth studies and can families with newborns can still admit can they Register for this research and how yes, baby 2020 And then you will see the site and you can Enroll so I hope they will and then you get these online questionnaires Yeah, so they have to Google it baby 2020. Yes, and they get on the page. I find so university excellent Alright, so there's another question. It's still a little bit small. I guess There it comes Okay, that's a that's a nice one someone if you came up with a question How do not so stressed adolescents so laid-back Adolescents deal with very stressed parents who likes to pick up this question So the child is all at ease with the parents are stressed out Yeah, so what we actually saw also in this adult project is that parents are all all of a sudden made these extra rules So we also asked the families like did you install new rules in the family to protect your kid? Some parents indeed were quite stressed Some even said that the kid was not allowed to come in the house with shoes and that they had to put Code outside and there were different rules Also interesting by the way that the parents said there were many more rules than the adolescents recognize So the parents think they're much stricter than the kids Say their parents are Typically most adolescents actually found these new rules quite okay So often they were not able to visit friends. Normally that would be a really a no go if parents prohibit friendships But because also adolescents knew that it was dangerous They were actually quite okay, but there were some who were really oppositional. So they really Were angry about the rules and they came into conflict with their parents Now the rules have Been released already a little bit. So I I assume that it's going better now But of course stress of the parents if a parent loses a job also is transferred into the family system And it affects not only the parents. It also affects The family and vice versa if an adolescent loses a job, it also affects the family system It also affects the parents. These are all interrelated processes So I also think Tom your work will also spread out to family systems and when they absorb the stress Tom do you actually have children and did you enforce new rules? If I did force you. Yeah, I don't know. I don't even know if you have children Yes, I have children, but they they are making their own rules already. Okay At least at that age, how old are they if I may ask five and six The youngest is 23 so Okay, so they can manage their own rules, but but the main thing of course is that I mean the the circumstances of growing up are very important because they sort of have a major impact Throughout well many years after that and that's the main thing. That's the main concern. We don't want a COVID-19 generation to develop But we know that early age problems that they can lead to scarring effects So you will be you have a false start But that can have a long-term effect and that's the main thing and that is I think what why we all interested in Monitoring young people in a good way, of course, not just to conclude after two years that they have done very bad in during this crisis, but to Be able to along the way as they move to to see what support is needed and and that is quite The big thing now so can we actually offer that so in my case? I'm trying to get the funding to To follow all these school leavers in Brabant Especially at the intermediate level and beyond level which are many many students because if you didn't do that properly and And they can also respond like every month to questions also questions for support We have support structures and we can link the young people to the support structures But that I think is is is it's a major thing now because this crisis is so very atypical It's not just an economic crisis. There's a health crisis that becomes a social crisis So we need all the effort and resource that we can not only to Be curious as a scientist because we want to know but also because we are working on trying to get some impact from the knowledge that we have and Make it work in in society. That is also what the impact program is about definitely one of the core pillars You know to cross the bridge between the university and societal challenges But then if I'm correct, it's not only their problem Not only problem of the youngsters even in some years time But as well problem for others stakeholders in society as well in in what way? How would you see that if I mean if if young people do not grow up? They will not be full-blown citizens if people cannot really attain certain levels of education then Brabant will not be very attractive for new companies to to come to brabant because you need a well integrated well educated Population also of young people. So they are key assets, especially in a grain society. So if if if young people Will not be able to really integrate in society. It's bad for them, of course but it's also a waste of talent is a waste of investments in education and so The stakes are very high about young people at the the cohort of young people are shrinking and They need to carry our well our welfare systems our health care systems. They will have to work for Well, 50 years probably and so if you cannot really now make sure that they have a good start This has huge consequences and the costs are huge as well. I think that's the main thing the main problem That we are facing and also the concern that we share. Yeah, if I may add to that I think as I said before like three months of slightly increased stress is not necessarily bad for development But indeed we don't know what the scarring effect is and we don't know how many waves of lockdowns We will still have and how long this will last and stress also accumulates So it's not that they are already fully recovered from the last lockdown And if the autumn brings another and they lose it their job again, so I really Recognize what you're saying this scarring effect That's not only for the economical influence if you miss out on diplomas or you don't get the skills But also the emotional problems they carry forward to the future having a depression once Makes the probability that you get depressed later much higher. Yeah That's right. And also the personal you know intervenes with the financial economic. So people will now be delaying also Relationships if a family formation Which also is a financial issue. I mean you might not have the money money to start a family It is already very difficult to to buy a house as a young generation So this all interacts and and the scarring is not only in terms of income But also relationships Also being able to invest in yourself, etc. And so it's a whole complex of Factors that are that interact. So what groups in society should reach out? You all already said before that you also should look around and see where they could apply their talents to you know Not only in one certain direction, but maybe in another sector, but what group should it be employers should parents do more who should Help these young people. I mean, it's it's a joint effort And I think you will have to apply certain standards. These standards are already there at least And which is not really discussed much in the Netherlands, but we have a European Youth Guarantee and the youth guarantee says if young people that Are trying to enter the labor market if after four months they cannot find a job Then you have to offer them either a job or a new education or a traineeship After four months and that is a norm and I think these norms should be really applied In my case, I would really want to declare you a youth unemployment illegal So because you haven't ever worked and you're already unemployed That is silly because you didn't and you don't have any History in employment. So how can you be unemployed if you didn't really have a job first? so I think the standards should be more explicit to be able to To prevent those carring effects and especially now in this unknown crisis, which is really also about the lockdowns We already know that the cases of burnouts among young people were already high But now with all these measures, which of course have been applied for public health That is a very risky situation Yeah, yeah fair enough. I see the way that we have some minutes left on the clock Maybe it's good that we have some closing remarks like what would be your call to action your Finalization your go-to URL that you want to share maybe with the people back home Who can I give the mic to the words likes to wrap it up loose? I want to I want to join your Words done. It's our joint responsibility. So if you know a way in which you can help young people help This is the moment Help them with a job help them with an internship give them access to your courses if they're online Ask them how they're doing teach them how to cope with stress Help them to grow up and that they don't delay or get mental health problems It's to this generation is too precious. So it's our joint responsibility. Everyone should help Strong words had we yes, I fully agree and then we should know from what's a kind of factors Make them resilient make parents resilient make children resilient because then you know What can we do in another wave when there's a crisis again? Then we know what differs between the most resilient ones the most steady ones and How can we help the people? That's having a very hard time and we can do that when we know the resilient factors that people have Thank you Tom final sentence just to add I mean be aware that you have to you might have to to provide unequal measures to make sure that inequality in Chances and potential is being corrected. So you have to differentiate and there are many groups that are already vulnerable So equal measures will not make them stronger because they need unequal measures to come to an equal situation That's maybe quite a brain twister for the people to apply them and to have to put them forwards Yeah, thank you so much. We've got three researchers here on the road professors and Associated professor actually talking about youth in times of corona from various perspectives and the researchers they brought along There will be a website popping up online anytime soon youngsters in times of corona and it will be in your screen so you can click on it and view the page Now we've focused on these researchers after the break, which is about 10 minutes We will have two new guests and they will Yeah, look into the more practical things that we can do to help these youngsters They came with a the statement that it's a societal challenge that we should pick up All together actually so if you can do something be our guest Thank you so much for you joining here on a safe distance This is totally in line with the impact program of Tobu University to reach out and to link with societal challenges So good for you to be watching us right now and hope to see you back in about 10 minutes time. Thank you so much We'll come back here. We continue again. This is part two of the webinar youth in times of corona We're still here in the cube join me as a new guest here in real life Leon Smith Director of Steric house. Maybe it's nice to introduce yourself in a moment between also if Yolanda, she's sitting I guess back home in the attic She feels a little bit sick but praise to her that she's here in on a live stream with the zoom software She will introduce herself in a minute as well, but maybe we can start off here with Leon Thank you for joining me Steric house. Tell me all about it. What is it? Do you want to know everything now? Not everything maybe first take it off with the introduction, please. Yes stack houses an organization for you to care and The care for women and men who have to deal with domestic violence And we also do the care for refugees young refugees who come here without their parents and This is an initiative that's being active for years and years already Yeah, now in the recent times and corona times you've seen new things arising developments No, we didn't see real new things, but we saw things going sharper Because we also we always see that the problems we meet They didn't exist in a short time. They are I Often based in economic shorted it just or less possibilities and we see that now things are going sharper Alright, we will zoom into that in a moment time But first we move to the zoom software if I look into that camera I guess your land will see me as well. You're seeing that. Let's see if the sound is good. Can you hear is your land? Yes, I can hear you. Excellent that you're connected to tranzo the academic collaborative center youth When you're not sick and you're working for them. What is your task? I'm a research coordinator at Tranzo. It's actually a department of the University of Tilburg and Before the break we had three scientists and actually I'm a scientist as well But in the academic collaborative center youth, we work together with 23 organizations and They are preventive organizations, but also youth care organizations And steric house is one of them and we try to collaborate and do researchers especially on on youth Thank you, and I try to coordinate that so to bring people together. That's my main task and Then these organizations obviously visit families as well normally and this heavily changed Yes, some of them just like steric house, but we also have public health services and and They sometimes also visit families, but most of the time families go go to the public health Center themselves and we also have University of applied Applied the university so There's also education so it's a quite diverse group of organizations Which work together in these collaborative academic center? Yes, thank you So maybe you can add to each other as well if you like to back to you Leon you said already before some of these things You're seeing with these families are sharpens. Yes. What do you mean with that? Oh at stack house We always think we have to work in two ways One way when the problems are really big then we have to be have to to be to give a good treatment and work on Sustainable solutions So but will what you always also see is that the problems developed in years and years So I always think why are we so late? We have to invest in Prevention we now are fighting a running battle while we should Invest in prevention to stop all that big problems Because the problems are not all individual problems. They they Come from the families you live in when your chances are Less than you your risks are higher and we can see that way before That's where mr. Then had to and I met in combining the knowledge of our clinical practice and our dream to be more close by the The coming of the problems not always work on the on the end So we made a program smart start Where we can see what kind of problems are coming here Instead of waiting. They are big Definitely. Yeah, maybe if you hear the echo too much you can lower the microphone a little bit That's the trick But what is what are some of these problems that you're encountering to do to give me an example? I think quite a lot of the problems we think are They look like a graphic aggressiveness or they look like Self-mutilating or Really the Anxiety they do have their ground in a not so good Start we think it's an individual problem, but I think in 80 percent the problems we see as an interval individual problem are really economical and Problems who have to do to make It's its ground is in a lack of chances and the families that children are born in Had that same lack of chances and it's only yeah, it's only Yeah, continuing in the same way actually at the difference between the haves and the have not yeah Yeah, so Yolanda you're sitting there at your attic and so nice that you're joining us with the with the Software is there something the university can contribute to What we are seeing what they are stating that there is You know why running gap between the haves and have nots. What can universities do? Now what we do in the academic collaborative center is to bundle the knowledge we have and We find it quite important that all the knowledge we have Are shared with each other so we have A scientific knowledge and that's okay, but we also have Practical knowledge so the knowledge of the professionals working with families They they see a lot and and they have a lot of knowledge But also the clients themselves have knowledge and what we are trying to do is to combine all these sources of knowledge together to to improve practice And in a nutshell what we try to do with our academic collaborative center And how will you distribute this package of knowledge? Is this available on some places already or do you hand it out? Yes, of course we have Yeah, a website, but only a website is not enough I can give you an example Together with our funds that's University of applied science with the teachers there and with the students, but also with the youth professionals and With parents We developed a tool which can help youth professionals when they have a sort of conflict with with parents and and it can help them to In their shared decision-making because we know that's very important when Family has problem problems that they share their problem with With professionals, but that that they have the same idea what is going on and We developed a tool for professionals This can be found Actually, it was launched in corona time and it can be found at Bram tool dot NL and It's free. There's a freely access. So Yeah, I would invite youth professionals to look at it and if they have Complaints or Suggestions Please let us know there's an email address on this website. So please let us know if Yeah, something doesn't work or maybe some things work very well We like to hear it, but that's the way we try to share our knowledge Bram tool dot NL Leon. Yes, perhaps I can add a little bit of the meaningfulness of science and the Research Because we work together in trance. So but we also at stack house work together with smart start and the data science Center center data and at stack house We have a little team only two persons who do research for the problems we have to deal with and At the moment we do research to find the best treatments for the victims or of love of boys We do it together with several organizations in the Netherlands and also, we are Doing research to find ways to prevent children that they have to go to Closed youth care. We are an open organization when problems are really big You sometimes do not know how to manage But we do not want to send that child away because they Again, they feel I'm not good. I can understand. So what can we do? And we we try to do that in a really good way, what can we do to Combine the means of open and closed youth care and we do have to good to do good research interviews and I think that for big problems really really have to make steps To give good answers in youth care It's too normal that you do something while you do not know if it's work and I saw A question what is the main thing youth care should Managing in the next five years And I think we have to do Two things in the big problems We have to see that they have years of coming and that you Must know that prevention has the that's the real answer. So Skip the word of youth care and make family care Now we think youth is the problem. They aren't a problem. It's the outcome of lack of Chances and I think it's really sad that we Say youth difficult children. I see little difficult children If I had had that kind of start in life I would have been a difficult child too and a terrible child. So let's try to make That change and please and then to what mr. Wildhagen said Make them have school and I would have to You said it must be forbidden To to not having words not going to school Would be in the a big Struff punishment A punishment for me too. It must be forbidden not to go to school because school and work They are the ways to an own and Yeah, your own life to form your identity to develop yourself. Yeah, and you actually you you say Look at the bigger picture also to the parent parents the structures that they're in It's not only them who are causing problems and you should signal problems way before actually. Yeah Yolanda, we only have a few minutes left for this very part of the webinar What would you say what could people do back home whenever they work with children or maybe their parents themselves To support Children and young people still having enough chances to develop in this very strange time Um, yes, of course, I'm a scientist and I I It's difficult for me to give practical, uh, advices, but I I think this, um Crisis can also help us to look at the way we Have arranged now, um, the youth care just as uh, lian said we, uh, We should invest in prevention and, um, a couple of years ago in 2015 We had a great, uh structural System change the transition decentralization from the province to the municipalities and one of the goals was to lessen specialized care and invest in prevention And now we are more than five years ahead and and we still do not see any We see changes, but not that much and I think, uh Now we should learn from from this period and and new things new initiatives, uh, that have been developed Which we can also use in the near future Yes Thank you. That that will be, uh, great if we can make such a step in the near future Yes, thanks for sharing your advice yolanda lian if people are curious for sterkhouse Where where could they see more information? How could they reach out to you on our website? Where sterkhouse.nl Sterkhouse.nl. That's very simple. Yeah, lian. Thank you very much We're going to close this very part of the webinar and someone else will take over your mic. It has to be clean though Thanks to kovat. So thank you and might see you later on. Thank you very much So in this time we had lian and yolanda sharing their thoughts and insights On more practical matters on how we could work with youngsters in these times It's not only them causing problems not at all They're mostly just like the outcome of a bigger scenario. Obviously Um, this is the very first webinar of the impact program by table university And we will deepen the things that we discussed on also in three um individual Podcasts in dutch I will be interviewing some of the guests that were sitting here with me Including torn and loose as well to share their ideas Well in a podcast which goes a little bit deeper than just this panel setting that we had right here The impact program of the university is I said before there to bridge the knowledge being gained here by scientists With real life initiatives out there And one of the founders of them is very nearby in a zoom session But the mic is being handed over to tom. He will appear anytime soon in this big hallway here in the audience in the cube Let's see where he is he was totally dressed up for the occasion So it's hard for us to tell who's all looked in right now Obviously because normally the seats here would be filled But now you're there back home behind your screen or maybe you're walking in the park just having your ear plugs in But coming down the steps is our well-known professor ton wild hagen And uh, i'm gonna hand over the mic to him And then the stage is all yours. I guess we've got the camera up there ton Right in the middle It's all yours with your beautiful sweater. Okay, so well Now of course we dealt with the topic And I hope you enjoyed it and we have some uh, also announcements after What i'm going to do now but what we do today is something that has developed and produced by the impact program of our university of tilbridge university So for the the people that do not know what we are doing at the university The topic that we dealt with is about how can you make impact with knowledge in society? So this is not so much a natural thing to do for universities university started with research and education But we developed at tilbridge university like a third pillar Yes, and this is the impact program Impact program has a team and the impact team um now also Has to do something which is a bit of a sad occasion Because one of the initial impact leaders dig den hertog Well is leaving the impact team. I think for good reasons In fact, he already left But this is the occasion to say goodbye and to thank dig for playing this very important role In the impact program and of course it has stimulated A way of thinking and doing at the university that well is now represented by what we did today so This is the thank you to dig dig den hertog And I want to say a bit about his role in the impact team an impact program so um imagine when we started it was like A boy band that was created Some people will of course know one direction Or maybe take that in a further past And um, I just want to check if is dig is really there and listening because dig can Probably talk back Yes, I'm here and I'm yes dig is there. Okay, so In case you weren't listening we could have stopped already But okay, so I'll continue dig because we had a manager the former rector emile arts and he Casted three people for the impact team for the boy band because it was a boy band initially now It's no longer a boy band. So there were three people dick Johan dunalem who very sadly passed away and that is Well, that there's something else. So we He's still in our mind and in our hearts And I myself so and in any boy band you the the main thing about creating a boy band is that you take Different personalities in different styles because for the fans They have to fall in love some of the fun love with the you know the wild one or the easy one or the whatever so this is a bit our history, I think dick and We were three personalities And I think dick was very important because he came from the biggest school in economics And that's cool. Also. I have many people that are very strong in the original Well conception of science and and what you do in a university So it was very important that someone from this very strong school joined the team and initially Dick seemed to be in the boy band the one that used to say well, no This is something we have to not do it that way because scientists will not like this We will do we have to do differently. No, we don't need a leaflet with all the colors They don't just want to read paper and they're not they don't like fancy things um I myself was a bit of wild one always in society saying, you know society things that we should do did And yoan, uh, he was the middleman. So he was in between so If you looked at dick's profession and history You might think that he was sort of the more dull one Because he's a professor in business analytics operations research And actually and I saw that when we were at a radio station a long time ago in amstem But he read books with only formulas So you could say this is typically a Soul less person, you know, who only reads books with formulas But the story of the boy band is that I think dick actually became the most well soulful person in the boy band because He also created one of our slogans signs with a soul So we got to know dick as a very soulful man as a As a person that is also a very true soul a very genuine soul A natural natural person so this became very interesting in our boy bands because because dick played that role and Because the others could also play the role. I think we managed to kick off as a boy band and Well, there were not only just the the normal activities that we did which were quite abnormal because they were new But we have I have seen several situations Which leads me to the conclusion that dick actually the best way Apart from saying he is really a true person also in terms of A deep soul and emotions you could say yes, he's a soul man And there are some lyrics one of I actually I have this hobby being also a dj next to professor. So this is If we can't present it apart from salmon dave's Famous hit I'm a soul man, and I think this represents what dick is Can we get that on screen as well? We might be able to do this And if it doesn't come It's coming Yes, okay, I keep talking because it's coming because I was just looking for a text that would really typify dick in a good way and oh dick and see it and That I I'm being informed and the public and seeds. I don't see okay. So this is I think actually Um, and I can see it Yes, dick maybe comes from a dusty road, you know Geographically bit dusty dusty road and came to the university But he carried good loving and really a truckload of that. And I think that is actually it really typifies his contribution, but also He dig as a person. There is a link somewhere. So if you want to hear the song I think expect you to know it. Of course, it's a classic one But you can play the song sing along or maybe in your own lockdown situation So dick is a soul man. So We have a present for you dick and Well, we managed to already Bring it to your home And you're now allowed those also to open the present So I'll be watching you if you there may be a An assistant also in your home that could actually help doing those kind of things. Yes Okay, so dick is unpacking And um, he's opening it now And also, of course the viewers will see it They might already be seeing it, but the main thing, of course, is that dick unveils unpex The present that we want to give to this soul man Fantastic And as you can see it, it's a picture as good as we could Science with a soul That's his motto. He's a man with a mission And you will see all the ideas the prices that he got the ideas the new initiatives every meeting There was always a new plan So this is the way we see you dick And this is also the way that we will keep on seeing you because we will Remember you wherever you go We know that you have new roads to travel new dusty road or shiny roads, whatever But um You will be in our soul We'll be watching you and we'll be seeing you and really thanks from the impact team, of course also the program managers Which are actually our tour managers for the for the for the whole enterprise of the impact team So thanks for doing what you did. Thanks for doing for being who you are Keep doing that. Keep being that. Thank you very much dick So many things so can I also say a few words? Can you hear me? I can hear you. Yeah. Okay. So many things ton for the very kind words and also For this very nice gift and I will certainly put it on the wall behind me Such that I can see it every day And so the impact team is forever Not only in my heart, but also in my room Yeah, it was a wonderful time that I had with you the impact team You know, it's such inspirational and also powerful to share the same vision and the same passion And that is indeed science with a soul To use science to make this world a little bit better. Yes a little bit, but better It also makes me very happy to see that more and more people More and more researchers from our university Become interested in also using science to make this world a better place And especially more and more young resources. I think that's a really very A promising and a nice development I'm also happy to tell you that I can continue By my my dream that the science is a soul. So per October the first I will switch from university They go to the University of Amsterdam and today I will set up a lab analytics for a better world So together with MIT I will set up a lab and also use analytics develop new methods to Yeah to apply it also to all kinds of applications to make this world a better Place And I'm sure that I can use a lot from what I learned from you Tom and the others from the impact team And yeah, that's I think it's very helpful and valuable for me also for setting up this new initiative So many thanks for the wonderful time that I had with the impact team and I would say Goodbye science is a soul mate. Thank you very much Okay I'll hand over to you and just to go to inform our viewers. Uh, yes, we have a new Boy member heinfluorate in the band, but we also have a female lead singer now Marie Sitzkorn. So that has changed Excellent. Thank you so much Tom. Thanks for your words and your nice Festivities here with the present being sent over so quickly to the home address address of dick den her toch We're gonna close it up. It's nearly 5 p.m. Thank you so much for viewing this very first online webinar Maybe you're viewing it in a replay. There will be URLs for you to check upon Maybe it's still for university dot edu slash youth and corona And we will be updating those and we mentioned the podcast as well in which I will be talking with some of the members Luckily beneficial in times of corona Nearly an all woman panel. Normally you see all these gray Elderly wise men. We didn't have any one of them Today, but it's it's a very good development Thanks for for tuning in into the cube here at double university and might see you later on in another times Or maybe on an addition of youth in times of corona. Thank you. Have a good one