 Daily Tech News Show is made possible by its listeners, thanks to all of you, including Pat DeGrascia Daniels and Irwin Sturr. Coming up on DTNS, a new MacBook Air, an M2 chip, and all the rest of the big announcements from Apple's WWDC keynote, plus hope for more efficient car battery technology. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, June 6th in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt. Coming from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. And I'm Roger Chang, the show's producer. Of course, joining us also is Terence Gaines from Snob OS. How's it going, Terence? Hey, how's it going, everybody? We are hoping to have Nika Monford, your co-host on, but our software seems to not be cooperating. She keeps bopping in and out, so we'll try to get her back on as soon as we can. I'll keep an eye out for her, but it's good to have you. Are you excited to talk some operating systems? There is a lot. There is definitely a lot. There's definitely a lot that I'm pretty sure a lot of people are interested in. Like I mentioned earlier, it sounds like Apple said, OK, this is the stuff you guys want versus this is the stuff we think you need. Yeah, yeah, which is kind of an Apple, like, in a way. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Before we get to all those Apple announcements, we have a few other stories. Last pass started rolling out the ability to use this authenticator app to access a password vault on desktop rather than using that master password. Master passwords will still be required for registering an account, adding new trusted devices, making account changes, or if a passwordless attempt fails. Epic Games will distribute its first blockchain based game on the Epic Games Store later this year. It'll be the Western themed battle royale grit from Gala Games. Gala plans to publish more of its existing catalog on the Epic Games Store in the future. In a letter to Twitter, Elon Musk's attorney, Mike Ringler, accused the company of resisting and thwarting Musk's right to information on fake accounts on the platform, calling it a, quote, clear material breach of the merger agreement. The letter maintains that Twitter is obligated to provide data for any reasonable business purpose related to the consummation of the transaction. That's what buyer's remorse looks like. Google agreed to pay $100 million to Illinois residents as a settlement for a class action lawsuit alleging that Google Photos Facial Recognition violated the Illinois Biometric Information Privacy Act. That law forbids collecting biometric data without making individuals aware in writing and telling how long the company is going to keep it. Residents that appear in photos or videos in Google Photos from May 1st to 2015 to April 25th, 2022 have until September 24th of this year to submit their claim. A final hearing is scheduled on September 28th. Chinese state media reports that the floor covering and wall panel provider Power Decor became the first company in Chongqing, China to pay taxes with the digital yuan. China rolled out a pilot of its virtual currency in the city back in April and the city surpassed 1 million digital wallets in May. In other taxation news, Gold Coast Australia Mayor Tom Tate said that the city is researching accepting Bitcoin for local tax payments. He said this would send a signal that we're innovative and bring in the younger generation. Oh, the kids, bringing in the kids. All right, Apple does tend to suck all the water out of the News Lake when they do an announcement, but we have an interesting thing about batteries here we want to touch on real quick. Yeah, we do. So lithium ion batteries. You probably have a device that is running one of those usually use a liquid electrolyte solution that limits the density of the battery. So they're good, but they are limited. An alternative is a ceramic battery that has no liquid. I can pack more energy into a smaller space. One option is organic polymers. They're cheap, they're easy to make, but they don't have the need of performance that a lot of people are looking for. Another option is using materials like sulfides and oxides. They're brittle and they're hard to manufacture at a large scale. So lots of options, but limitations for all. Well, a Colorado company called Solid Power thinks they have found a way to make those sulfide based solid state batteries at scale and deal with those brittle issues. So they're starting large scale pilot manufacturing to prove it. The test line has capacity for around 15,000 cells per year. So this isn't mass producing for like selling cars, but it's enough to be able to do a bunch of test vehicles. This allows batteries that use alternative chemistry like lithium metal or silicon, which are unstable or unsafe with liquid electrolytes, but are much safer with these solid state. Even regular lithium ion chemistry would benefit with energy densities that could allow 500 miles on a charge at the same size as current batteries allow 350 miles. Also a benefit of these is solid batteries charge faster and are non flammable. They also need fewer temperature controls and safety systems because of that. That makes them cheaper to make and save space. So you not only get a more dense energy, you don't need as much space for each individual battery package because you don't need all of the safety controls that a lithium ion liquid electrolyte battery needs. But there are some other challenges, right? Yeah, there are. So aside from whether or not solid can overcome some of these manufacturing challenges is whether the batteries withstand degradation over time, which is something that all battery manufacturers have to deal with, as well as liquid electrolyte batteries. If all goes well, solid things, it can deliver batteries for its partners, BMW and Ford to test later this year and get formal automotive qualification. Solid also eventually wants to get the technology certified so it can sell the material to other battery makers. Solid power hopes to be able to make enough material for 800,000 cars per year by 2028, so not tomorrow, but on the horizon. I don't know. Cheaper, safer batteries that can go longer than existing batteries. Terrence, I'm cheering for them. I hope they make it work. So this is, in my opinion, sounds like the Theranos effect. What I mean by that is this is a major big. It's a big claim, and if only they could have proved it. So I think solid thinks they have a solution, but they're really going to have to prove it because I think we have been burned by previous attempts at major big claims. Yeah, yeah, especially in batteries. You're not wrong about that. The things that make me a little more, a lot. Let me just say a lot more confident than I was about Theranos is that they are doing manufacturing and they've got partnerships with automobile companies. You're not wrong, proofs in the pudding. Let's let's see these things hit the road. But they have they've gotten out of the lab, at least. And that that's that's very positive. And I don't I don't think they're lying like Theranos. I mean, I guess I could be proven. They got to prove it now. They've already been we've already been burned. So it's like we are we are on the way to proving it, though, which is yeah, yeah, yeah. I would I would like to have a car that can go 500 miles with a battery that won't explode exactly very much into that. Yeah, it seems like, you know, getting a leg up on the battery manufacturing. Now, if you're into EVs, you might be into solar power as well. If you're thinking of adding solar panels to your home, then you need to listen to our solar panel roundtable we put together. Myself, Sarah and some some guests, one from the industry, one who's a DIY or one who just recently installed it on a suburban home explain the process, the things you need to consider, what you can expect to spend, what you can expect to save. It's coming to your feed this Saturday. But if you want it sooner, you can support the show through Patreon and you'll get it now. It's already out for the patrons. So go support us at patreon.com slash D T N S. Well, we know that most of you all are thinking about Apple kick enough, it's Worldwide Developer Conference Monday with the usual keynote address. Now, usually WWDC is just operating systems. But for the first time since 2017, we have some hardware announcements. So let's start with the new chip M2 five nanometer process, 20 billion transistors. They say it's got 18 percent greater performance than the M1. They throw out a lot of other benchmarks that didn't have like really good. They like they never label their X and Y access. So I feel like that's the solid one. If they're saying it's 18 percent better than the one we already have. That's that's a pretty good way to benchmark it for high performance, for efficiency cores. The GPU now goes up to 10 cores. And one of the things that stuck out to me is it can support eight K H dot two six four video so you can do multiple streams of both eight K and four K. Tara or Sarah, are you excited before we get to where they put the M2 about the M2? I'm excited because we've been hearing about the M2 for some time. It's great to have a hardware space that it lives. I was thanks to BTNs parent company, so brilliant. I was able to get the M1 MacBook Air, which was, you know, one of the first M1s that anybody really had. That was gosh, two years ago now. And I mean, this thing cooks. I've been so happy with it. You know, the novelty of like, oh, wow, you don't hear fan noise. Oh, wow, everything is so fast has kind of worn off a little bit. But man, you give me an M2. I don't really need a new laptop right now, but I want one. And that's what I was going to say. Speaking of cooking, how much more is this going to cook over an M1 or even to a greater extent, an M1 Pro or an M1 Pro Max or is the M1 Max? Yeah. Yeah. The Max. I mean, how much, how much significantly more, but on the flip side, we'll probably get to it a little bit later. The price for these may just say, why not get the best one? And Nica, we finally got you in here. Yeah. Before we get to the MacBook Air, you got any thoughts on the M2? Um, for me, I think it's more if you're in the, in the market for something. This is the time to buy. I personally wouldn't upgrade because my M1 Pro is pretty snappy for what I use it for. But I think it's more for folks who, if you're already in the market, you're looking for something you might as well get the latest and greatest. Yeah. Let's talk about the MacBook Air. It's got a squared off design, no more wedge. Still got, still got the MagSafe that the MacBook Pro had, which I guess is new to the air. Headphone jack, two Thunderbolt ports, 13.6 inch display, 11 millimeters thin, 2.7 pounds, four colors, no fan, 18 hour video playback, battery life, and 1080p camera, the Dolby Atmos spatial audio. New power adapter comes with two USB C ports and the new MacBook Air supports fast charging. This one starts at a thousand hundred ninety nine dollars. The M1 MacBook Air will stay on sale for nine hundred ninety nine dollars. And then the MacBook Pro is going to stay the same, but they're going to start putting the M2 in it. So that's just a processor bump. That will start at a thousand three hundred ninety nine dollars and all of this available next month. So, Sarah, now that now we've packaged it up, how do you feel? Well, you know, this might be sort of a funny detail, but because I'm an Air fan, I have I've had MacBook Airs for years, but I've also had MacBook Pros kind of use them in conjunction. The squared off design rather than the wedge it was sort of an interesting detail to me. I wonder if it's because Apple felt like they got enough feedback that people were like, hmm, well, if you have the MacBook Air, you know, it doesn't look as pro as the MacBook Pro. So let's let's get everything looking a little bit similar. I love the wedge. It's easy to fit into, you know, my variety of tote bags. But I guess that's, you know, it's kind of how I feel about the iPhone 13 as well as like a squared off. Got it. Now, I was going to say, I think a lot of people liked the wedge. So I'd be interested to see, of course, is the internet. People are going to complain about anything. So I'm interested to see how many people are going to complain about this new air not being a wedge on on the flip side. I think people are going to love that black, that matte black. I don't know if it's matte black or shiny black, but I think people are going to like that different color. Midnight. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it goes into Apple's whole lately. They've been on like the Sigranicity type tour where they're trying to get everything, you know, aligned to look the same across the platform. And I think the MacBook Air was the last of the holdouts to get the new design. So it makes sense that they kind of moved it in to look a little bit more like the current line of MacBooks. Yeah, I'm curious why they announced this one at WWDC. My guess is because they can release it and they didn't want to wait, you know, for a couple more months. This this one's in the hopper and with supply chains being what they are. Once it's ready, you want to start selling it, right? Right. Because it's really not necessarily developer focused, but, you know, I guess it does. They threw in a few developer things as they were going through each of the the kind of bullet points of what they were offering. But again, this was definitely to me, more consumer focused than developer focused conspiracy theory. Maybe they use this hardware to throw us off. No reality OS or the the reality augmented reality is just a distraction. Yeah, here we'll give you something hardware. So about the other stuff, we also got new Mac OS. This was fully expected. The name is Ventura. One of the main new features coming is something called stage manager where mission control command tab and launch pad have failed. Stage manager is going to try to win you over. It's a new way to organize your windows. This one moves all your windows to the side in a column on the left, except for your main app, which can be in the center, although you can pair apps in piles. So you could have two to four apps together overlapping like a normal window with other groups of apps over on the left. You can click on your desktop to clear windows. We also got some improvements to spotlight. You're going to be able to find images, search text inside images, start a timer from spotlight. Some richer results. Mail got undue send scheduled send reminders for individual messages and some follow up suggestions. Safari's big things were sharing tabs with friends so that you can both see the same tabs set, as well as the Fido stuff that we've talked about before on the show. Pass keys, they've been able to the ability to use biometrics to log in through Safari and sync in your key chain across all your Apple devices, as well as use those pass keys with an iPhone to log in on Microsoft and Google accounts. Gaming is getting something called metal three. One of the aspects of that is upscaling metal effects. Upscaling lets you run at higher frame rates by rendering lower res frames and then upscaling them. No Man's Sky is going to come to Mac OS Ventura later this year using that and something called fast resource loading API that minimizes loading time and finally continuity. Handoff FaceTime calls from your phone to your Mac. And I know Terrence, this is one that you like using your iPhone as a webcam for your other Apple devices. I think it would work with the iPad as well as with the Mac. Center stage portrait mode support, something called studio light to make your lighting a little more even. They are able to show a top down view using that wide angle lens that is separate from the front view. So it's like a virtual top down camera. And this will work not just with FaceTime, but with Zoom, with Microsoft Teams and a few other devices. And Belkin's going to make some stands with MagSafe. So it'll be easy to pop them on top of a monitor or your laptop screen. Lots of stuff in here, Sarah. Anything in particular you loved? Well, stage manager, even though I'm not sure how much use I will make of it because I like my dock and my things all in a very specific way. I thought that, especially just kind of testing the temperature of what people were reacting to online. I got a lot of people saying, this is actually really cool. You know, obviously Mac OS gives you quite a bit of customization, how you want to launch things, how you want things to look, how you want to use your launch pad, et cetera. But I feel like this makes it more customizable than ever, really. I don't know, I was talking to a couple of people online, like, yeah, like, why would anybody get a Mac, spend all that money and just like let the dock be hidden at the bottom of the screen in the default mode? A lot of people like that. Sure. But I think you kind of have to make it yours. Yeah. So I hide the desktop, the icons, and I'm actually a fan of and I'm pretty sure maybe one of the few people that actually uses the swipe gestures to swipe between desktops. But I always forget in which order. So I'm just sitting here like swiping, trying to figure out where my screen, so this stage, man, I definitely going to give that a try because I'm one of those people are that not, I don't want to use OCD because there are people out there who really have OCD. So I don't want to, but I'm very particular. I put it like that as far as I do work. Well, I think that's fair. Right. And then like Tom mentioned, definitely being able to use my expensive iPhone as the probably the best webcam that I probably have, you know, I have a nice webcam, but it's nowhere near an iPhone camera. So why not be able to use that for, you know, video conferencing, like teams, any sort of those collaboration, FaceTime, that sort of thing. So I'm definitely looking out for those things. And then finally, I saw a tweet to somewhere, somebody mentioned, oh, Apple finally remembered that they have a mail app because the schedule is sending and the reminders and the undo send. I think it's like a default feature for pretty much every other mail app versus then just the mail app from Apple. So they're finally catching up and saying, hey, we do email as well. Yeah, Nika, what about you? Uh, stage manager, I think I tweeted that was probably the biggest feature for me, but I also like the desk view. Um, I, the whole idea with the continuity of being able to have your, your regular, you know, forward facing view, but also just being able to use that separate camera to kind of get a little flip down view. If you're writing something, if you have a piece of hardware or something you're trying to show, or if you're doing, you know, tutorial or anything like that, you can actually have the hardware visible relatively easy rather than having to set up a different angle, different cameras, those down, those types of things. So those are probably my, my two biggest ones. Yeah, they're, they're sure locking a bunch of, of apps that already do this, right? Uh, and, and if it works really well, then, you know, that's going to send a bunch of apps off into the sunset, which is not unusual. Apple, Apple does that from time to time. So we'll, we'll see how well this works. Sidecar works pretty well. If this works as well or better than that, then I think it's okay. If not, I don't know. Yeah. Sidecar tries a little bit too hard sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, all right. Let's talk about iOS 16 customizable lock screens. You can have more than one lock screen. In fact, kind of like watch faces. You can swipe between them. Also messages gets an edit and undo send button. Somebody at the verge live blog joked that messages got edit before Twitter did. Notifications will roll in from the bottom in iOS 16 and some of them will be able to persist and update without having to give you multiple notifications. They used scores of a basketball game as a good example of that instead of constantly getting updated on the score, it'll just persist and show you the score and what the latest play was something like that you can opt in push notifications for websites now in Safari on iOS 16 safety check is another new feature that makes it easier to reset who you share your accounts and passwords with a live text is getting some updates so you can translate within the camera and maps gets multi stop routing and you can send routes from a desktop to an iPhone. This will all require an iPhone eight or later. iPhone 16 or I'm sorry iOS 16 will not be available for the 6S the SE original or the iPhone 7. Those will now be stuck on iOS 15 betas for this. And by the way for Ventura and the iPad OS that we're going to talk about all coming in July with full releases coming later this year. Sarah, what's got you excited about iOS 16? Well, I mean, I hate to say like cool, multiple lock screens, but I actually I actually do like the idea of that. I feel like the lock screen is very personality based and you might want different widgets and and you know, certain things depending on what you're doing at any given time. Notifications rolling in from the bottom. I'm going to have to get used to that. You know, when I first heard that I was like, oh, no, that's not. I mean, swipe down. That's all I do. That's all I do all day. That's where my notifications come from. But you get used to these things pretty quickly. Nika, Terrence, anything jump out at either of you is as new and potentially exciting or cool. I would say the live tiles. I mean, I'm sorry. I mean, say live tile. I meant to say. Oh, I meant to say live. Well, there's a Windows user. Live activities definitely been looking forward to that for a long time since Windows Phone even introduced the live tiles idea. I mean, I thought that was just pretty dope. So for Apple to finally bring it in and just for the lock screen, I'm definitely looking forward to them actually eventually, hopefully migrating that to other areas of iOS. But just to have it in the lock screen to where you can customize, like Tom mentioned, like the watch face and then even the complications to be able to add that there to where you can get at a glance information that's changing like they mentioned. If you're if you hella Uber, you can actually on the lock screen, see where the car is and estimated times and things of that nature without having to open up the open up the phone, unlock it, go into that and actually see that information. Having that information there, as far as other the things that you can customize on the lock screen, I think it's going to be the thing that most people do once iOS 16 arrives. Sounding like a broken record, the lock screen. When I first saw the live activities, the first thing that popped in my mind was Terence. I was like, he's been hoping for something like this for he's talking about it on our show for quite a bit. And I was like, it's finally, you know, rolling its way in. But I think the redesign of the lock screen is definitely. I think it's definitely key for for this release because they did include a lot of new things in that. And it's one of those things where having to, you know, they did the whole thing where you can unlock the phone with your mask on. Now you can put the things that you care about the most on your lock screen. So you don't have to necessarily worry about unlocking your phone to check a tax door to see like if the Uber's coming or those types of things. So it just makes it a little bit easier to navigate and manage your phone with all of the other things that we have to kind of take into consideration. But to have it there at a quick view without having to swipe up and unlock or tap screen to whatever it is to unlock your phone, depending on the device you have, I think it's one of those things that people are going to be very, I think it's going to be very useful and it's going to get a lot of use out of everybody. Yeah. And I think the way they tied it into focus mode so you could have like a work lock screen and a weekend lock screen and a family time lock screen. I think people might use that the focus filters that do that to tabs and safari and conversations and messages and and mail. That that's interesting to a couple of other things to note here real quickly. Dictation got a lot of updates. So if you're needing to talk, the keyboard will stay up and you can use the keyboard and dictation at the same time. If you want to a new developer API called App Intense, let's developers use Siri with zero setup. That's going to be a big one. Also, Apple Wallet getting Apple Pay Later splits your cost into four equal payments. By now, Pay Later is a huge thing and Apple coming for that is very interesting. You're also getting some order tracking features and stuff like that and family sharing quicker setup of parental controls, parental control, quick start, screen time request, stuff like that in there as well. A couple other things that were packaged into that. They made a big deal of that matter is coming. Whatever matter finally launches, Apple's going to matter. And CarPlay is going to work on multiple screen shapes and layouts coming to vehicles next year. So you will be able to customize widgets for say the speedometer, you know, your gauges across an entire dashboard. If the entire dashboard is a screen, CarPlay can work across that entire screen. I thought that was interesting. Yeah, I think vehicles is it's a huge market now. Everybody is getting into updating and fancifying, you know, vehicles. And I think this is just another way. I think in lieu of the Apple rumored Apple card, this is maybe their way as to saying, hey, you don't quite have the Apple card ready, but you can get a little bit of our mojo in your current vehicle by using CarPlay. I was thinking that, too. It's like, well, this is a side benefit of having worked on a car for 10 years as you got some cool car interfaces showing up. All right, let's talk about WatchOS 9. You're getting the ability to have some new banner notifications, new Siri UI, some new running metrics, vertical oscillation, you know, how much up and down when you're running stride length and ground contact time, heart rate zones. So you can say, keep me at 160 beats per minute for this long. Then don't let me go below 140, stuff like that. Customize your workout for running. You can you can add your own distance and time intervals. Get Haptic and Voice Alerts for those. That also is going to be available in the fitness app on iPhone. So you won't have to have a watch. You'll be able to use the iPhone motion sensors to take advantage of a lot of this because the fitness app is coming to all iPhone users. Also adding sleep stages to the sleep tracking on the watch. REM sleep, core and deep sleep stage. Not not Michael's type sleep, but REM sleep. It should be called an orange crash. It can contribute data to sleep studies. If you want to help improve how useful this data is as well. There is also more details on tracking AFib in your heart. It can tell you the time of day or week when your AFib is more frequent. If you're somebody that has it frequently, you can share that with your doctor with a PDF. FDA clearance for that coming soon and medication reminders so that you can just scan the label of your prescription and it will add the reminder to the health app. Look for any medication interactions with your other medications to alert you about. And I was excited that Level Thyrox had got a shout out in the screenshots because that's what I take. So it felt particularly noted to me. What about you, Sarah? Sleeve stuff. I love it. I know a lot of people don't wear their apple watches overnight because for some folks, it's not very comfortable. I have been tracking my sleep using my Fitbit app and my Fitbit device for years now. And I mean, in the morning, that's one of the most interesting metrics I have. You know, maybe I go like, I feel like I slept really well. And I kind of see like, OK, this is REM sleep. This was what Apple is calling core sleep, which is light sleep if you're using Fitbit and then you got your deep sleep. You need all three. You do. And a combination of all three, as long as you're sleeping a certain amount of hours per night and you're not up and down and, you know, too hot or too cold. All of that actually contributes to you having a much more pleasant day the next day. So this is something that I've been waiting for with the Apple Watch because I thought that even though, you know, having only been an Apple Watch user for a couple of months now, that was the one thing where I was like, they're really lagging behind Fitbit on this data because this data is really important to people, especially people like me, who sort of suffer from chronic insomnia and want to know as much as we can about how to make it better. Yeah, so I don't. I'm one of those people that don't wear my Apple Watch when I sleep. But I do wear my Apple Watch when I nap. So they need to come up with a REM nap in nap and rent all these different stages for napping. Wouldn't you be able to be like sort of like the way that it's like, are you about to go on a run? You seem like it's like you've been you've been a horizontal for some time. Are you about to take a nap? Absolutely, you won't be able to notify it till you are to act on it till you wake up. So it had to be like, it looks like you just took a nap. We tracked it. Do you want us to record that? Yeah, yeah. And in addition to that, that's yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, in addition to the medications, that seems that seems like a perfect, a perfect feature for the health app to have for people to be able to use their phone to track their medications, medications, how much they take, you know, reminders, things like that. And it seems like a perfect fit. Yeah, especially if you're taking multiples. For me, it's easy. I've got one a day I take it in the morning. But but, you know, some day I'll have more because as you get older, you do. And it helps to be able to track those. Nika, what about you? The updates seem pretty OK. I mean, none of them really apply to me so much. I don't really I was looking to the list. And when they were going through the announcement, I was like, OK, OK. Nothing really kind of jumps out at me for what I use my Apple Watch for in some of these updates. But it sounds like I think specifically the medications, I think that can be very helpful for people. So I think that's probably for me, probably the biggest thing that I think will get a lot of use out of folks for. All right, let's finish up with iPadOS iPadOS 16. Getting a weather app, which apparently got cheers in the small in person crowd that was there and weather kit for developers. Now, some collaboration stuff so you can you can start a FaceTime call from within a doc, share a link to everyone in a messages group that lets you start to, you know, collaborating on a share sheet without having to just share a link to the doc itself and sneak peek at a new app coming later this year for called Freeform. That is basically a whiteboarding app, so they're sure locking whiteboarding apps there that'll be coming not only to the iPad, the iPhone and Mac to some more about gaming, the ability to do background background download with an API so you don't have to interrupt gaming to do the downloads and inching towards true multitasking with undue redo across the system, find and merging contacts, redesign, find and replace customizable toolbars, virtual memory swap allows apps to address up to 16 gigabytes of memory and stage manager that window management for the Mac is coming to the iPad along with full external display support and resizing windows when you're using stage manager, including overlapping windows on iPadOS up to four of them. And you can have up to eight apps visible on a screen at once, just almost like our true multitasking OS. For some time, you know, you you read the articles of someone saying I decided to forgo my MacBook Pro. I'm a Mac user and I'm just using my iPad full time. And once upon a time that was like, well, what are the limitations? And now most people, even pro users, especially with the iPad Pro, like it's it's great. It is a laptop. I don't even use my laptop anymore. Obviously, form factor matters. Everybody has their preferences. But all of these updates just say to me, OK, well, if you want to use iPadOS as your as your as your main everyday computer, that's just Apple saying, all right, let's give you more of those pro tools that you would have previously said, well, I need my laptop for this. I got to, you know, pull that back out of the drawer. Exactly. When they when they were going through the updates for iPadOS, I said the gap is shrinking even more with each release. It's shrinking a little bit more and it's getting closer and closer to being again, synchronicity with the whole alignment. So I'm interested to see where it goes next. Because again, the gap is narrowing so much that what's going to be the, I guess, the huge deciding factor now between, you know, a pro and iPad Pro. Not too much as it relates to the price, because I was in the Apple store last week. My daughter went to one of those today sessions in Apple to where he can go and take the classes. And while she was doing her class, I was walking around looking at all the different products and the keyboard covers with the trackpad and the keyboard. I mean, it feels like a computer, but I just could not get over the price for that thing. It was like two or three hundred dollars. But if you're adding like an iPad Pro and you're using that keyboard cover and you have a mouse, it's almost exactly the same price as a MacBook Pro. So it's almost like that line is blurring even more when you consider all the things you need to actually say, I can use an iPad versus a MacBook. Yeah. All right. Let's let's wrap up our final thoughts on the WWDC. Mine is I'm really glad they finished before two hours was up. They they blazed through the announcement. But but yeah, these it was interesting to see them announce hardware. And I thought the operating system announcements were not blowing me away, but they were all decent announcement. They were all all things that that I look forward to having access to. Sarah, what about you? Yeah, over the weekend, a friend of mine, I said, oh, DC is on Monday. I have to remember that. And they were sort of like, what is that? And I said, well, developers conference. And you get a lot of iOS stuff that will, you know, we'll all see, you know, potentially in the fall and what Apple might be working on. But yeah, no, no big like new iPhone still was an iPhone today. But there were some hardware announcements and that is somewhat unusual. I think we're all in sort of unusual times for a lot of companies that are announcing things, but Apple stays pretty, you know, close, close to the the chest when it comes to the sort of stuff. So I don't know how many huge surprises we got, but it was a more well rounded announcement for the consumer folks. Yeah, I'd like to say I appreciate the fact that they are really making iOS more personalizable, if that's a word, given you the yeah, yeah, customizable. I was trying to mesh. There you go. Personalizable to where is really not a brand new OS. I think people are still kind of waiting for a brand new look to iOS versus just the lock screen and you go through the different apps. But being able to customize the lock screen, like we mentioned before, being able to do the focus mode for more than just reminders and notifications. Given all those features, I think is really Apple really saying, OK, we don't have a brand new OS, but let's let's start with you personalizing the crap out of this one to get it exactly the way you like it. And I think I appreciate that the most. Yeah, and the personalization, I think we've talked about it many times before. It's like I want to be able to control more of what my device looks like. So I think Apple heard that and they are giving people what they said they wanted. I will say I was a little bit surprised. And I guess because we have a whole week that there it wasn't hugely developer focused and you would think the keynote for WWDC, which is a developer conference, would have more, I guess, dev focused type of content. They did kind of throw in a new API here and API there. But I think I was a little bit surprised that it wasn't a little bit more dev centric because to me, this was like a regular Apple event for consumers. Yeah. No, I was surprised by that, too. No Mac Pro. I thought if we got an M2, we'd also get a Mac Pro because it's developers and developers using Mac Pro. And and I thought we'd get maybe get reality OS, if not, you know, maybe not get the actual AR VR headset, but but maybe get the beginning of the OS and we didn't get at least a mention or something. Yeah, nothing. Well, Nika Monford and Terence Gaines, always a pleasure to have you for Apple announcements and any other time as well. But today was today was a lot of fun. Nika, let's start with you. Where can folks keep up with your work? I am pretty much at TechSavadeva on all social media. I pretty much live on Twitter. You can find me there most of the time. And again, I am one half of the Snobo West show. So you can definitely find us over there at snoboestcast.com. Yep, like the lawns. Yeah, go ahead, Terence, the other half. I'm the other half of the snoboest cast. You can find me at brothertech.com. That's where my website is, even though I feel like websites are becoming obsolete to where everybody's just like, all right, well, just do Twitter. So like Nika mentioned, I'm mostly on Twitter. And in addition to the snoboest cast, myself and Stephanie Humphrey and Rob Dunwood, who have all been on this show, we have our own podcast called the Tech John, we talk all things tech, but from a diverse, diverse perspective. So you can find us there at thetechjohn.com. Excellent, really good shows and always good to have you both here with us. Also, quick thanks to our brand new boss, Head Cleric of Chrome, Head Cleric just started back at us on Patreon over the weekend. Thank you, good cleric. That's good to have a cleric in the party, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I feel like we all benefit from that in some way. Thank you, Head Cleric. If you want to be like Head Cleric, become a patron and we'll shut you out tomorrow. There's a longer version of the show called Good Day Internet. 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