 There's a makeup trend in China where women are trying to look mixed European, why is this going viral and what's going on? Let's talk about it. Yeah. I mean, this sparked an online discussion. Some people think it's silly. Some people think it's serious. Some people think that this is mixed race fishing, which is the opposite of Asian fishing. Anyway, let's just play the TikTok clip. You might have heard of Asian fishing will seem non Asian people attempting Asian makeup styles and those even attempting Asian makeup styles to claim they are apparently mixed race. However, have you ever wondered whether there's another side to this inside China? So let me enlighten you on mixed race makeup in China. Yes, this is a thing. It is called Hun Xie Zhuang in Mandarin, which literally means mixed blood look. And on Chinese social media at Xiaofeng school, there are tens, hundreds of thousands of posts of people emulating this look using this hashtag. As someone who is mixed European and Chinese myself, this is fascinating. You could definitely elaborate on looking at these kinds of trends in proximity to whiteness, colorism, etc. So right now, I just wanted to show you the other side of the spectrum when we might have seen it as non Asian people trying East Asian popular makeup. All right, man. I mean, listen, guys, it's very difficult to fully analyze this, Andrew, because this is a trend from Xiaohongshu and Dou Ying in China. But I guess it's being discussed and analyzed in America on TikTok and on other platforms, right? I think when you think about stuff like this from an American lens, there's two ways you can either look at it like, oh, these are girls just cosplaying. It's just makeup who cares because that's probably primarily what it is. But then on the other side, you can take it way deeper and be like, oh, these women want to look white and there's a superiority complex and there's white fishing and then there's this and that and the colorism or is it not okay when white female creators do Asian fishing, but it may be it's more okay or or is it just like when things are in an American context, people should know better. But when things are in their East, it's subject to a different set of standards and thresholds. Well, we're going to talk about it. So please hit that like button and check out other episodes of the hot pop boys. But David, one thing that is truly Chinese, but also kind of Western is my last sauce. Check it out. Everybody loves it. Check out our Instagram right now to see all the fun content. It's delicious. Anyways, David, what's your quick thought on this? Well, I think we have to define it. This is a translated directly from the Chinese. I don't have like a full explanation of what they call Andrew. Huan Xue Zhuang. Like Hua Zhuang in Mandarin is to put on makeup. Huan Xue means mixed blood. Huan Xue Xue's blood. Anyway, it says who says that mixed-race makeup is not suitable for Asians. The recently emerged wolf Asian makeup is mixed-race makeup, especially created for Asian faces. It is wild and cool and suitable for all skin colors. It is non-selective makeup style. It's worth mentioning that you don't need deep eye sockets or European-style double eyelids to achieve wolf-like Asian makeup. The focus of its makeup is on wild eyebrows and raised eyelashes. Even if you don't know how to wear eyeliner, you can still use false eyelashes to create a raised eyelashes atmosphere. So this was basically a breakdown in Chinese originally translated into English of how to get this look. So of course, Andrew, it's raised nose bridge, more sharper chin, a lot of contouring. I guess really the big deal here to me is that I think some people see it as problematic because there's some white people who are dressing up as Asians saying they're Asian. And then there's this Asian trend in Asia about like looking more mixed, but I really think it just comes down to if you're doing it for content makeup reasons and you're just cosplaying or you actually think you are that- Was the Asian fishing to you in America a big deal or not a big deal? No, no, I don't think if it's left in a cosplay way, I don't care if a white person puts on makeup to appear like an anime character. Right, especially if they're just showcasing their makeup, high level of makeup skill, right? Who cares? Yeah. Now, if they are trying to re-identify as Asian, that's weird. Is it problematic? I don't know. It's weird. We've talked about it before, but also again to the Chinese girls who are doing this, they're showing you the process, so it's not like they think they're European all of a sudden and they're not acting European. If they turn into Europe, if they put on the makeup and they're like, hello, I am a European Parisian girl now and I think I'm better than other Chinese people and mixed blood women are better than full blood Asian women, then that's more of a problem. Yeah, I always thought that everybody getting mad about, you know, even Asian fishing, they were sort of reaching and they probably were like a more of an internet crowd that isn't exposed to heavy street violence against Asians because if you really weigh the current level of street violence of random street violence against Asians in America versus Asian fishing, one is about 1,000 times more pressing, but I get it. You might not relate to that. That might not be your life. That might not feel like an area you can comment on, so you comment on Asian fishing. But is it now let's say nobody here is trying to become a different race. They're just looking like different races. Is this flattering? Should Asians be kind of flattered? Like, hey, what are you talking about for Asian fishing as well as should Hapa girls be flattered that some girls in China on Douyin want to look like them? Yeah, like, is it flattering at all? Yes, honestly, I think if you don't overthink it, why wouldn't it be? It's because people think it's cool to look like you at least even for just a day a week or a day a month. And I think there's plenty of white people actually now in 2023, who view Asians as and rightfully so based off of the media, the sweetest, cutest, most kawaii, eggyo, like people in the world, right? Because Asians kind of pitiful Asian society. Let's be honest on our Confucian like Taoist Buddhist level is very, very. Yeah, so I'm saying if some European or white girls or black girls even are thinking view Asians that way, and then they're like, yeah, well, I just want to be cute and kawaii. So if I take on that look like I think that's interesting. That's a cute look. Right. You think you're saying non Asian girls are like, I'm super shy. Yeah, I want to look like that just like the Chinese girls or pretty much any Asian girl who ever put on makeup to try to look more Western. They're just thinking like, yeah, I just want to look more Western. Yeah, the Uzbek Kazakh girls are so pretty from Central Asia. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Do you think there's any influence from? Oh my goodness, I cannot believe I'm not remembering the name right now. Is there any influence from who's the snowboarder girl? Eileen Gu. Because Eileen Gu got big in China. She has a very hopper look. Do you think that that encouraged the girls on social media at all to try to use makeup to imitate that look? Sure, maybe, but I don't think it's just her. I mean, I think, to be honest, Asians, everybody always wanted to look like a different race. White people want to look black. Black people, some black people want to look white. Some Asians want to look black. Some Asians want to look white. There's just always been this dynamic. Right, right, right. But we are going to get into it, Andrew. The deep cuts, the offensive parts, because there is this comment, Andrew, it gets spicy. Many Asians are obsessed with European culture and European facial features. And many Europeans are obsessed with Asian cuisine, music and anime. So perhaps, Andrew, the fetishization cuts both ways. I think it's possible. Yeah. Anyway, let's get into the comments section. Somebody said, these type of looks are definitely for the camera. Seeing in someone with an IRL looks kind of weird, but I'm still obsessed with these creative Dou Ying concepts. So this person is defending the Dou Ying creator saying that this is not for like everyday lifestyle to cosplay another race. It's just like a fun, creative display of talent. Yeah, obviously, they show you their real face. They're not actually trying to trick you. Right. Somebody says, as somebody who's actually mixed race, this is so funny to me, but I can also see how it's problematic. This other mixed girl said, I have feelings about this that I can't even describe. Somebody said, what a weird problematic trend, but I'm still here for the video. But it doesn't mean that it's not problematic. I don't, I think these people are overusing the word problematic. I don't think it's problematic overall. People love that word in 2020. Yeah. They love to say everything's problematic, but I still love it. It's problematic, but I'll watch it. I'll watch all the videos, but it's problematic. I'm here for it for the problems. All right. No, it's not problematic. Here's some of the explanations because Andrew, different people thought it was problematic for different reasons. Some hoppers thought that they are like, Oh man, the full Asians are taking our hopper identity and hoppers, we never fully get represented in media because everybody's always going to represent a white person or an Asian person. So we're the ignored ones that I saw that comment. I don't agree with it though. That's not true. Right. Right. But maybe you, they could feel it as a person, whether or not it's true in a macro statistical sense. Somebody said it's problematic because there is no blazing makeup trend, but only a wazion makeup trend trending right now. So that's the problem. Trending, but what do you mean trending? I mean, I've definitely seen blazing makeup before. Like we've seen this in the dance hall. Like, yeah, it's not, it's not on the same trendiness. I agree, but I've seen it before. Somebody said that it's interesting because as a Chinese white mixed person, they find it flattering, but they would detest it if white people do it the other way. How much does it, is the power dynamic? Like we said before, is it, it's not okay for white people to Asian fish, but it could be more okay for the Asian girls to hop a fish. To me, the problem is when white people say they are Asian, if they are cosplaying as black, as Asian, as whatever else you want, cosplaying as a basketball player, cosplaying as an Asian chef or just like, you mean lying to people, basically like cat fishing. No, no, no cosplaying is different than lying. Like if when they're trans racial and they're like, yes, I've did all these surgeries. You talking about like an Ollie London? Yeah, because I'm Asian. Actually, I'm Asian on the inside. That's weird. But I'm just saying if they're just like, Hey guys, um, you know, I'm just a little Irish girl and I just love K-pop. So here's my transformation. And I think oftentimes this is a little bit of an aside when people are Asian fishing and they want to cosplay as an Asian, they're almost cosplaying as the most stereotypical anime character of an Asian, not even just like a regular Asian American. Or they're going to cosplay as a K-pop idol, not like a regular Korean person that you would see walking around Gangnam. They usually K they usually cosplay as like a Japanese, like and yeah, like a Final Fantasy seven character or something. Somebody said at some point in Japan, many female models seen on magazines and TVs were mixed race people. And they had a whole full page of how to look Hafa. Hafa was the term for a Hapa in Japan. Uh, and Japan has had a different relationship with mixed people because I believe there have been more mixed people in Japan for a longer time than in China. So every Asian country is sort of at a different place with their relationship with Hapa people. In my opinion, Eileen Gu is the first very popular Chinese Hapa that is considered Chinese. Even though of course some of her Chineseness has got called into question recently. Um, somebody says, I feel I find this makeup weird, but it's interesting because I'm Asian and someone's saying, yeah, I just don't know. Is Hapa just become an aestheticized concept? And yeah, I don't know. You know what's interesting? Do you think that Hapa see themself as their own tribe that deserves representation or they feel equally represented by the white side and the Asian by, by full white and full Asian representation? I don't know. I mean, I see Hapa's, uh, kind of trending and like representing themselves like y'all I'm a hundred percent Chinese and I'm a hundred percent, you know, white European, but that's more of a recent thing, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they can, they, yeah, they should feel proud. That's cool. Whatever. Like no problem there. Somebody said funny how they try to look like slobs. And, uh, then there were some photos of obviously the Siberian mix with Russians, Uzbeks, Kazakhs. That whole region, Andrew, has been mixed with a lot of interesting mixes for quite some time. It's resulted in a very interesting look, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would say, uh, whether it's Kazakh, Siberian, Uzbekistan, you know, like some type of one of those central Asian or like whether it's almost like, uh, they probably got realistically in that region, Russian, Slavic, white blood, Arabic blood and a lot of like Mongolian or Korean or Chinese all mixed together over time. I guess at the end of the day, David, for me, what I'm going to find offensive, if anything at all, is when people try to claim that they're like, I guess a different race. But until then it's just cosplaying and it's all fun. Yeah. Like I don't really care. If you see the transformation, who cares what's trending? I think that they're, I'm not going to doubt that there's a blazing trend. But then again, it's going to be controversial because it's like, oh, are you darkening your skin? Right. Now there's black face. Now you can't do it. So everything can be offensive. Obviously, if they're makeup girls on Douyin and that's what their channel is about, then that's how they make a living, right? It's transforming themselves into a Harry Potter character. It's just a Halloween costume. If they are saying, yeah, now I am a white person, then you're like, what, what if, what if the Douyin influencer said, yeah, if you go to America and you use this, you will be more treated better and accepted by the dominant class. That could get then. I mean, that would be that's actually like somewhat true, but it's controversial. But anyways, I don't know. I mean, that's so, so this is, I guess it's a funny trend to see, but it doesn't like shock me because Asian Americans or Asians across the world have always tried to look European or look like something else. I mean, again, there's that whole trend in Japan. They look cholo. They look ganguro. Yeah, ganguro for 25 years. They take on a Jamaican like dancehall, like reggae. Let us know what you guys think of the comment section below. I will say this. I don't think you can always look at everything in Asia through an American lens, but I could totally see why in an American lens and a multicultural society and the way the identities sort of are synced with political identities here, how it could be problematic. But just if it's in Asia, I feel like it's got to go by just how they live over there. Hey, Smala sauce guys, Eastern and Western. Check out the Instagram right now order at Smala sauce.com. Let us know what you guys think of the comment section below. We encourage debate. Was this problematic? Is Asian fishing problematic? Is hopper fishing problematic? Who knows? You guys see the vid make your own decisions. Let us know in the comment section below. Until next time we hop out boys. We out. Peace.