 And it's still the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. Chris Kende Wando is with us this morning. He joins us via phone. Chris is good to have you join us. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. How are you this morning? Very well, Chris. Thank you very much for your time. All right. Chris is an executive director of African Governance and Leadership Initiative. We're set up with the punch, Chris. The punch says, Buhari's Kano visit, protesting barricade roads and stone helicopter. That's a conversation I and Kofi had. Nigerians don't appreciate what they have, says Buhari, as protesters rampage, firing elements using Boko Haram to destabilize Niger. President insists APC campaign council kicks as PDP blames Chernobyl, Gandu J4 attacks. New narrow, racketeering booms in Lagos, Abuja, Anambra, DSSRS unauthorized dealers, PRS operators, hike charges. And just before we move away now, you find panickers, Lagos hoodlums in veiled school and chased poop holes. That's it this morning on the punch. Let's quickly move over to the next newspaper on our list. Of course, take a few of those headlines. And then we go over to Chris, Kendi, and Wando. All right. Headlines on the front page of the nation newspaper. Banks fail to dispense cash in halls, ATM terminals. Banks fail to dispense cash in halls, ATM terminals. PRS operators, hawkers sell narrow notes in cities. Mayfield is action political, says reps leader. Protesters raise, protesters raise APC office, Tinibu Shatima Oshun center. Tinibu, will we use oil to develop a quiet bomb state or some headlines on the front page of the nation? Well, let's quickly turn our attention from, you know, the nation newspaper this morning and look at the Guardian. The Guardian says Nigeria must not fail with 2023 polls UN scribe warns and charges MBA to ensure success of general elections. MBA apologizes to Nigerians for neglecting the role. Polls must hold a shadow if any fair insist. Once against use of court to abort exercise, EU deploys 100 observers to monitor elections. Sharia council, if you had stage or staggered polls may instigate violence. INEC must pass confidence test, tackle underage voting and vote buying. That's it. I just take one and then we'll move away. Desperate extension, Nigerians can't withdraw old or new notes. There's no money. Let's sit on the Guardian. And the last one we have on our table this morning is a Nigerian Tribune PDP APC fight over Buhari's visit to Kano as a lead one there. Ojo Legba breach accident, Sao Lu directs trial of truck owner driver. Artico grant Kano unconditional release if elected president. DSS intercepts syndicate, selling new currency notes, bank officials implicated and only military aircraft can land in AQT airport according to the government of that state. We'll bring Chris at this point. Chris, good morning to you once again. I'd like us to start with a Naira story. Naira is some will soon now become a black market currency like the US dollar in Nigeria. The Tribune gives us some information. One of the articles there on the front page talking about the Department of State Services or Security Services selling the new intercepting syndicates, selling the new currency and the same bank officials have implicated. We want to connect that with what the nation has on its front page. Banks fail to dispense cash in halls, ATM terminals. What are your thoughts on this, Chris? Well, probably the DHHC train the first time. For Nigerians who are used to selling off Naira, new Naira notes, it has been going on for years, not just with Naira notes. But we may see if you are a regular attendee at various parties in town, we see that it does to the interest of those parties. You see people holding new Naira notes when you can't enough of them to buy. When you are interested in bringing them to you to buy, I may strike off, sometimes they say 1,000 Naira should be 1,000 Naira 3, 3,300 Naira. I want you to ask myself, why should I pay 3,000 Naira or 1,000 Naira per year? So, but we know our people and the way they rule and our mentality. But that is even at the end of the day. You might also have seen on social media, where bills and bills of this Naira, they have cars, the bank etm's and the bank halls. You see people throwing bills and bills on and throwing people with that, throwing it up and capturing everywhere. It's all about social media. So, if the DSS are just working out to cover this, well, how will I go better? If you don't see them, they can do anything. So, because this, and this is where I tend to have this particular bank, because that the bank won't lay in some panky-panky with these Naira notes. Because definitely, a few years later, don't go to the bank to collect these Naira notes. They go to the bank, and for what I had, the bank officials give this money to these holders, yes, those that go around to the bank, and they collect their notes. So, that is what is happening. And then, you see, with the 10-day special for the old Naira notes, I've said that the problem is about the old Naira notes. So, it's having the new Naira notes. I've told you that I don't want to collect a thousand Naira notes or 2,000 Naira notes. I've told you that I'm giving points to you. The problem is that, then we can also, practically all the etm's and the bank have shut down. Yesterday, I went to a bank, see, of them, and I couldn't start the queue. So, I didn't even wait, and that has been the situation. Now, we're also having here in the Naira notes, because somebody has given the Naira notes to the bank, not to distance the new Naira notes. That's the 500, 200, and 1,000 Naira notes. So, it's a concern that many people come to collect money to just give them the old 100 Naira, 50 Naira, or 20 Naira notes. I don't know how that is going to work. Chris, I'd like you to still, you know, talk on this. It's on the Guardian. We're still talking about the Naira notes and all of the saga. I mean, despite the extension, Nigerians can't withdraw old and new notes. The banks are not giving money out, whether it's the old money or the new one, the etm's. I mean, money is scarce. So, can the DSS still address this issue, or do we need the CBN, you know, to ask? The DSS cannot address this issue. I just said that I wait about 7.00 a.m. point yesterday. I couldn't make it this far. The few ones that have addressed this issue belong to you. There's no way I can wait to do this. So, the Naira's option now for the POS point, whether or not some of them are also not able to get cash here to their hands. Good Naira notes not. So, Shustin remained the central bank. They've been moving around the bank, they've been moving around the bank to make sure that this morning is a good because central bank said that it's going to set up a passport that would be going to devour the courts of the banks to find out why they are not dispensing, what have been their investigation, how many of the bank managers have been arrested, how many of the bank managers have been charged on to the fact that they will continue to help them all across, that this Naira notes they have to be banned. We are pretty dead. There are be so many excuses. Some of the bank officials come and tell me the fact that hostings in their millions and what is happening now, let me repeat this, we say that the politically exposed individuals are a big, so-called big shot. Just for the bank managers, bring me 100 million Naira to my house and they send the account of the start to board the carriages on the list of new naracals and take it to the courts. If they don't do that, they just check it close up the account and no bank manager wants to hear that a so-called big man close its account. Why the big men are the ones having not used Naira? Two men are women like you and I are the ones suffering the difference. So let's see what goes on with the bill, I think that we can let Naira not be found. All right. Thank you very much, Chris. We go to more of this, the headlines and United Nations is warning through its scribe that Nigeria must not fail with the 2023 polls is what the Guardian is saying. That's Nigerians countdown to the presidential polls in about 25 days time, the Deputy Secretary General of the United Nations and the chair on UN Sustainable Group, Ms. Amina J. Mohamed is warned that Nigeria cannot fail with elections. She's a Nigerian and she's speaking on behalf of the United Nations. What are your thoughts on what she's saying? Because she's urging the NB to ensure the success of elections. The United Nations has to tell us the validity for us, which is that the 2023 election is right after. We know that the 2023 election must be after. I want to believe because the vote on that is going to be one of the 3rd and 3rd election I'm going to have in the history of Nigeria. Whether that should be true or not, that's the thing. But I want to believe in. And so for the United Nations, I mean not to say that. I would take it from the point of the United Nations. I'd rather take it from the point of Amina to who is the Nigerian. The former head of one of the NBs, who is not the Deputy Secretary General of the United Nations. But we are looking forward hoping that the 2023 election will be as good and credible as it is. And all that depends on several factors. It's up almost to INEG, ability to be able to respond to promises, including the use of the change that they give us, which we have seen recently from the divided of the Electoral Tribunal in Osho. It was as credible as it should be. It was that we are massive, both additional of votes and overvoting. To the extent that over 100,000 votes were deducted from that of the winner of the election, Rob Nadelic, which makes it true for the governor to obtain his victory. If he just wants we have an overvoting of over 100,000, then we cannot imagine what will happen in the general election that is coming up in the next few days. So I hope that INEG has been able to get it outright and make sure that it gives us what we have to, so that we will be able to deliver. Second is going to be on security. And that is where we are going to have issues. I also hope that the Secretary-General has been able to make sure that he has been and carried out measures to protect us and secure us so that we can freely exercise their right as individuals. Then the third one also would be the attitude of the political party. I hope that we can make sure that they are telling their supporters not to resort to violence. And to commit the most important one, the ability of Nigerians, you are going to do the two votes, making sure that we have picked up our PPCs, coming out to other countries. I'm not just running on social media. You see that most of the elites, they just ran for social media, ran for Facebook, Twitter and the rest of them. On the day of election, we were going to have to vote. That's the day we have to be in the room and to watch it in the picture. The mother young man with the nearest display to vote. We have over 19 million Nigerians that have been accredited for this election. Let us come out and make sure that we vote for that. So at the end of this vote, you see that, yes, whatever they are, they want to see it. All right, Chris, we seem to be having not a very smooth connection from your end. We just hope that maybe you can just move around. It's one of those tricks. I'm sure you can get to a point where the network will be favorable. I mean, I'm just saying. So we can hear you clearly. Right. But if you can hear me, I think you should also hear me now. Yes, I can hear you. Sounds clear better than what we had. Buhari's kind of visit protesting youths barricade roads and stone helicopter. I'm sure you have seen this particular story and there are several riders. Nigerians don't appreciate what they have. Says Buhari as protest rampage. I like you to share your thoughts on that. That's on the punch support headline right there. And to become a state governor. What I thought was cheerful, but not on a particular because it should become the map of Nigerians and then some people who are in a larger sense are carrying the strength of the policies of this. I think that people will say it's motivated to be politically motivated, but I think that there will be a strong vote of the president. And it is the real party that is implementing a new kind of thing. So that I thought I would condemn the attack wasn't necessary. No reason should anybody attack for your president is our president. We are thinking about whatever you think about is the president. So that I think is breaking between the APC and the PDT. And so surely there are some of the victims of the PDT have the victory of Buhari and the reaction from the president. My own fear is truly if it touches me most, it meant the president to be. And where he said that foreign nations are behind the attempt to oblige Nigeria through the use of Boko Haram and the rest of them. That is very wasted for me. Who are these foreign nations? Who are these foreign nations? Who wants to disturb last year? For that to become a concentration, it's not a information, which is not a question. And I think it's good to share that. And also say Nigeria, who are these foreign elements? So that we can know who our enemies are and who are those that are trying to supply Nigeria. Not just only not. Those of us who are trying to oblige Nigeria, and security agents will be able to make sure that elements are eliminated. So that we can be able to have our eyes closed twice between. That to me was a thought. And that seems to me the proportion of most of all the problems are indeed in Nigeria. It's that statement that happens in foreign nationals are behind the attempt to oblige Nigeria. That is a would be aggregation. All right. On the front page of the punch, Desani is Alice Maduke is asking the federal government to turn assets seized from her back to her. Well, Desani, Desani. Yeah, sorry, don't forget that several properties, we're going to be able to measure and we are going to go with our program. Our drill is not the point where we are here. That is how the drill is worked on billions and billions of islanders from them. And there are some of the properties that we said, you know, we are going to put here. So if it's to the courts, yes, it's worth it. So effectively, I'm going to say that this issues to a logical contribution and judgment, but if the judgment was given best, she has the right of appeal at the court of appeal and so that's them at the Supreme Court. So probably what she's doing is trying to go on appeal. And I shall be able to contract with the lawyer. We should believe we'll be able to do that. But also, just two weeks back, we have a black situation where overnight, over 40 properties belong here to the OMA deputies in the president, K. Premando, was also profited and also complicated by the court. But we went on appeal and that was marketed. I judge in Africa, we said that he was expected to be in that direction. And those 40 properties were released to K. Premando. So that in the future, most of them, all of them might be some hope that probably issues also are going to be covered in the court of appeal. So that is what I'm saying. I question as to how many years now, how many issues are going to come about in a year. So I'm sure they will be able to do that. I don't know what the question has been done as far on the booting money as it was in the past. Well, I'd like you to respond to the punch new sweeper. I mean, there's a headline. It's very scary. Panic is Lagos hoodlooms. I mean, the fact that they have to be specific. Invaded school and chased pupils. It was stated that not fewer than 40 hoodlooms had invaded a private school, a Shalom group of schools in Iqpaja, area of Lagos state. And I'm just, you know, trying to wrap my head around that. Well, you can help us understand it. Should this be, you know, a security concern? It's a concern. For a long time, there have not been any kind of, you know, a kind of attitude or emotion of justice here in Lagos. Don't forget that we're at the point where we are. That was very consistent. You know, three years like in Kuruplan, there were some years back. And I think we combine a further of this to make it happen. So this support coming in, but I don't have to see this year. It should be a week of fall. I wanted to say that all second this is an officer. It should be already at last. And there are attempts to be met with two of them. So believe that it tells you to me, have the number of police and we're heading towards the nation. This is where the state security officers, like the neighborhood, Lagos, they have a monitoring label. Although the label supports a lot of the statuettes and the initiative is to protect and protect. I don't know if you're now right, but if you're not, I'm using that to protect the acting. But it is not a proper label. The government has to go to the acting label to make sure that the school in Lagos are well protected. So then we can't have this protection. A little to add, sorry to interject, Chris. Just a little add in my help. These land, these hoodlums, like Messi said, they are land grabbers. They want to take the school's land. It's what we're hearing. So it's not like it's not that you say that it's land. They are land grabbers. So let's go to the government and find out what the problem is and what the situation is. That was the value of the land was properly sorted to the owners or the occupiers and so on. If it was not, I think that should be properly investigated by the government so that all active practices will be as serious so that we don't see a recurrence. But at the end of 2020, some of them I won't get caught in the crossfire and what they are doing. I think they got to go to the government and investigate and make sure that they are not caught. All right, Chris, we have to go now. Thank you so much for making our time to be with us. We really do appreciate your time. So if you are messy, do you have sweat? That's comfortable. No, I think I do not want the DSS to look for me. For fuel racketeering. Please, please go to the filling station so that I won't be accused of fuel racketeering. Chris, thank you very much for your time. Let's continue to hope that things will get better while we smile, you know, and things will just get better. Chris, thank you. Have a nice day. All right, Chris Kedewando is the Executive Director of African Governance and Leadership Initiative. We'll do some more talking when we come back messy because we have more interesting conversations ahead and indeed we look at the brain drain situation in the health sector. It's brain drain gain for those of other countries but it's drain brain drain pain for us in Nigeria. Definitely. We'll take a break and be right back.