 Hwade kibortwa na kwaadinga mono firms, yo wajan naha viwa fujio kwa hwa. Y주 wajan kwa ni kwa na nani tabu hasniwa wajan kwa hwenda na kwa kumiga muma kwa bukua kwa ky저a. Mouizuniru kwa hwa wanjyu kiiwa kwa nipuja kwa kumiga kwa kwa mibiki kwa wanjyu kicowaka kwa wana wajan kwa bwanyu waka kika kwa mibiki kwa ni kwa wanya kwa wanya kwa wanjyu kicojaka kwa kwa yana kwa kwa nipuja kwa mibiki kwa wanyu kwa kwa mibiki niyebiliekerua kwa kiyun Ka-Thwe Bandha tempu, kini meru 20.3 % – p Plaça ko baya kujurio hia ue b esperando aye ahon k amigosu kiyun, han kaj uma kświadu kika. Kvers 들어�'il hibyishamawe mumputahit i small kakили manukutata. And tonight that's where we want to dwell in and see how else can we be involved. Good evening. Thank you for coming. I want to begin with you and Nita. How did you receive the BBI report because before or earlier temperatures were high both politically and even to the electorates. People were wondering what is this BBI all about and what will be the content of this BBI report. When I received the BBI I was actually very surprised. I expected very radical reforms in this country but I guess the BBI team, the 14 members actually read the mood of the country and decided to tone it down a bit because if you look at let me take even a political example the introduction of the position of Prime Minister. You can see that already Matianya has been acting as the super CS. So unless now we are going into legislation processes it was just nothing new. Civil servants should not be engaged in business. These are just experts from the report. Ndegwa Commission 1971 still outlined the same. And maybe where the youths are for example shared prosperity. They want youths to be included. We already have the Agbo. There is really nothing new what we are asking for is the implementation. My bond of contention is why the BBI team still needs another 20 billion to again go around go around and do what, consult what, form again a technical committee. I mean what they are saying why we are asking for is let's implement the 2010 constitution because that is the best fit all for all of us especially for the youths of this country. Any attempt to tampa with the constitution that we have and to introduce these funny positions we are not taking. If Matianya is doing what he is doing as a super CS without the title of Prime Minister even Shakespeare said what's in her name. Alright Pithon, how was the reception of the BBI to you? First of all thank you for having me. I think most people expected as tsunami only for us to see in the sky and just see a very beautiful rainbow. So I received it very positively because one of my concerns as a Kenyan and as a young Kenyan has always been national ethos. We always say at the curtain of our constitution and we boast about these national values but in the real sense we have no national values. So for the task force to identify that indeed we need national ethos and values we need shared dreams and aspirations of Kenyan I think that we have started the first steps of making a nation. So to me I received it with a lot of positivity. It also mentioned I think in the first chapter of the report that it mentioned something to do with the crisis in the family I'm so passionate with the family because if we lose our values at the family unit then we don't have a nation because that's where a nation is birthed from the individual families and I think you've also mentioned that also as young people we feel left out and even as you talked about baking the cake I think sisi vidyanatuna tumuatu nunue unga and then these other politicians they come and they do everything in the kitchen when we are out of the kitchen and so we also want to be part of the baking process because even in the task force we don't have a youth face yes the issues that have been raised most also concern the youth from the issues of unemployment but when you look at the people presenting the reports to every from the task force there is no this young person you can say that this is the face of the young Kenyan in the BBI task force but all in all I think the BBI is a blessing to this nation but my challenge is just the implementation because I know the politicians will just seek issues to do with the prime minister and everything but if we actually focus on the niti critis of the BBI trust me this nation is going to change for the better so I'm looking forward the day the politicians will remove their children from Brabant and such big schools and bring them into public schools I think that's the change that we've been wanting exactly now Anita since the youth feel that they need and aspiration in terms of economic, social and kashu we can't feel it, it was reported that we can't feel it, how can we be now involved Apidon has mentioned of us being sent to the shop and coming with the wunga but now how do we get ourselves into the kitchen so number one when you look at the report when you're looking at the youth you're actually struggling to find the youth we are taking ourselves as maybe a tag of inclusivity shared prosperity I mean there's no direct mention of the youth as you mentioned about the cake baking process for example there's this suggestion ok, there's been a report on political, economic and social rights there's been a fight which one comes first social, economic, you know you being able to go to your daily lives and then the political now the big thing is the politics actually happens to be more important than the economic and social because it's the politics that determines the distribution of resources where am I getting at this for example we have the devolution also in the nine point agenda which means money should trickle down we have the aspect of having a governor and a deputy governor who is a woman but as the youth of this country we are saying let the deputy governor be a youth because when it's a youth then it's a man or a woman and it's an even playing field where are we saying this we already have the position of 47 women rep when we have the youth at the decision making table with the governor then we will feel like even when we are talking about distribution of resources then it can work then currently as a matter of practice the council of governors is requesting governors to have the CECs who are also the deputy governor as a CEC so if the youth become the deputy governor in terms of trickle down effects then I feel like that's one of the small areas in which we can have a bearing for me also insist on it's not enough for the report to talk about it talks about a 7 years tax amnesty for the youth someone under 35 if you have a business we have a problem currently of pending bills and then the same people we are doing access to government opportunities for youth women and persons with disability 30% no government office talk about office of registrar of political parties talk about AIB because all this receive money from the exchequer none of this have been able to subscribe to 30% and then now to make things worse it's the pending bills you getting that contract is still a problem even after you get that contract and you supply and you have debts with the bank debts with everyone you're still not being paid that's why we are saying some of these fundamental issues they must be introduced through an act of parliament and they must have specific provisions for how the youth will benefit because for example like Agpo if we put a timeline and remember Dendwale wanted to introduce that bill maybe let's say 3 months the bills must have been paid because the people who feel this impact are the youths because if you are a big businessman most of these big I'm talking of the levels of kinaman wichandaria then even if you don't pay them for 2 years it's not an impact but the youths that actually go get business from government they are not being paid the issue of taxation we are still talking about the issues of jobs my friend here wants to go to even via access to political government political office he still requires chapter 6 documents on leadership and integrity how will he be able to get all this either we get a waiver or a complete like 0% to enable him to go access to political parties which space does he have like we are looking at all aspects economically through Agpo politically through access to political parties and how we can access powers I mean that we know how political parties are run they are not institutionalized today I was at an ORPP meeting and these are still the issues that are brought forth we are looking at cultural in terms of cultural we are looking at the musician perhaps how are we nurturing talents in this country a lot of talents are being said in this country and these are things we can look at at least for this one I believe through CBC maybe things can change a bit but the reports still for me has maybe it's to make us feel nice and have a good time and all that but all we need to change this country is I still maintain the constitution of Kenya 2010 anything else let's amend through an act of parliament we don't have the money you had what Moses Kuria said let's take the money we revive I come from Mount Kenya region so I have no bias let's revive Prirethrum where right now there is no rice but wanyandarua pate potatoes we are talking youths can go back to doing business because you cannot farm and you don't know where your produce is going yet we used to export so these are the fundamental issues that cut across economic, political and cultural issues let's have an equal playground alright thank you now Pithon I want to come to you in terms of political space over the years we have seen the youths how they have been misdued now having learnt the political table manners let's take ourselves to the dinner table and share the meal you talked about political table manners I think sometimes in politics we just have to put the table manners aside first of all I appreciate our predecessors they are all politicians because they started way in the 70s when they were student leaders they would go to the streets they would oppose and challenge the government of the day and some of the leaders that we have we actually appreciate them because of the struggle for multi-party democracy and so even us I think we also need to take the same steps what we are looking for is attention and if we if our coming on screens if our just being on the keyboard is not enough therefore we need to either go to parliament or we need to go to the streets that's the language that they will understand because I can tell you for a fact the political elite they are seeking more or less their interest and also as a young people we must also speak as one voice in order for us to be harder so when it comes to politics there is no two way we just have to be courageous enough and we have to vie for those seeds but we must have at the back of our minds the intention and the motives as to why we are vying for these seeds because we have been told that they are young parliamentarians but they have done little or less to do with issues to do with the young people and so I think as for us young people is to just have that vision and that motive that we are not just going to speak about the youth agenda but also speak to the issues that cut across our country so we don't have any other option apart to we fold our sleeves we either go to the streets or to occupy parliament that's the way that we will find ourselves on the decision making table right Anita this bit of trust issue they said there's a deficit in trust and last year we saw what happened the appointment and then our president said when young people are put there they are corrupt we bridge this and how do we prove ourselves that we young people we are very much honest I think for me corruption I would not say is a matter of age because even this year for example Muragori he was accused of corruption we have PSV and if you remember the NY scandal she was part of it I mean corruption measuring it as a part of saying the youth are corrupt I don't believe so because politics is about redistribution of resources and when you have power you get to decide who sits where now there is this tendency of rewarding which again brings me again to the BBL report if we leave the deputy governor slot we say now women can take it and it's not 35 so that it's a man or a woman let me and my colleague fight for that position negotiate for us to get the position of deputy governor but now when we start saying it's the young who are corrupt it's just a measure of exclusion because in politics you need to if Hillary you want to achieve something they are steps for example maybe you want to get a degree they are steps and for me sometimes I call them hindrances to make you did you get this certain grade will you do ABCD for you to get these masters then after masters we are asking you for you to do a PhD did you get that masters did you do a dissertation for me it's just a matter of discrimination and sidelining the youth which is very weird because we are the majority of the population and I will echo my colleague here who is saying now we must take matters into our own hands because it happened in South Sudan so how Al Bashir was cut out we've seen Malema doing his thing EFF in South Africa and every election circle is able to add more and more people into we also have Chami Sa even though he was out of parliament he was able to house Mugabe and he is still now dealing with Nagangwa so if other youths in Africa are doing it I believe we can also do it in fact we should demand space everywhere we should have demanded space from the BBI we should have had one youth we should have demanded space for example in the composition of cabinet secretaries we must have a youth a PS we had one Njakera who is now political party's liaison committee was the PS planning he was removed we didn't talk about it now we are demanding kama ni PS even ambashe deriol position we are going to look at this criteria because it cannot be business as usual and we are saying even in management we saw the other day even though Nairobi hospital is half public private partnership they had at least it only had men in the managerial board do you guys don't have a maternity wing where are there no women where are there no youth and in the same case we are asking we must get our cut at the decision making table don't invite us for the launch of the BBI report when there was no youth don't say he is saying that he goes when we are baking cake as women that cannot go on because we are saying if you are the majority of the population youth are in both of mini management of schools youth are business people we are saying youth rights are human rights wow you want to add something on this and I think to add still on that point of deficit of trust and I think the point was also that the citizens also don't trust their politicians because most of the time the politicians will come they will make a lot of promises they will fulfil none of the promises I think the challenge that we have as aspiring politicians or young people is for us to be able to work in integrity and to keep our promises and I think for a long time we have been taken for a ride politicians they come they give their manifestos but when they come into office they actually do nothing so I think that for us is a challenge as young people of Kenya I just want to begin right from you we can all believe and agree that Kenya is a talented nation now how will we fight the regulatory agencies and badly spent government funds that will suppress Kenyan young innovators because we have many and including sportsmen and women because these are the people in the space we want to see them prosper we have had problems with our sports ministry our sportsmen and women how they have been used up how can we now ensure that now they are protected it's basically having the right people in power and I say what we are bringing as young people is the passion I think I mentioned it's somewhere that if you have old people managing sports they won't be as passionate as young people managing sports because if I'm a sports person if I'm an athlete this is where I am managing resources of athletes I am more passionate because I know what sports does to me and so we are having the wrong people in the wrong places of power so we are having the wrong people in the wrong places of power if we had the right people in those places I can assure you because of the passion they have and because also of integrity because we know that we have talented young football players who exit from high school to university and that's the end of their career we know of a drama festival actors and actresses who go after they perform for the president that's it their careers end there so we lack passionate and creative people that's why I'm saying the talent with our government is that they're trying to preserve the old folks and it's actually the opposite of what the private sector does the private sector looks for these young innovative intelligent young people and it's unless the government starts embracing you know the innovation of the young people we won't be going nowhere that's why we will find problems of our netball team in South Africa we will find the problem of Zarika complaining that no one has held her hand the people sitting in office they don't really care whether we get the belt and I think the best suited people for those positions they are young people like us who have the vision and will also have the passion to do with things to do with arts and also the sports alright as we come to Ananda Anita speaking of the SDGs and the big four agenda in our country now how will you build an economy that is dominated by value creation and not value extraction values in terms of the actual values like minerals or values in terms of character everything inclusive yes so unfortunately to realize the economics and I mentioned this already we must also deal with the politics because politics is the foundation I mean in terms of allocation if you look at the big four manufacturing, food security universal health coverage all this have been given a bigger chunk of the monies in the budget and that is because that is the fundamental that's what we are looking at that's what even donors are looking at infact even the donor working group especially now in health agriculture these are the priority areas and I believe also going back to the BBA report they believe fixing the politics making the whole winner takes it all mentality here we talking we have the opposition and then you feel like maybe it's going to hold down the temperatures and all that but it's still a matter of economics because even if you look at the big four people from Mount Kenya will say kiyonjori is the CS agriculture so if you are looking at value addition value creation why is kiyonjori a person of the mountain then to revive pirethram tea, coffee and whatnot because then again it still comes down to competence so when you mention values for me I'm looking at values can the best man get the best job I mean if you're qualified and you can and there are very many people for example the deputy governor of Kiyambu has worked with Kina Rokafelo foundation all these international organizations that deal with agriculture and internationally so while the president is choosing his cabinet secretaries and I would urge him to look at competence I'm not talking more of technocrats we are talking about people who are actually experienced in their fields and they have delivered illa real impact and now when you get these people you are choosing them because of merit meritocracy we are looking at now the values in terms of character as opposed to you are one of us and you really add nothing to the table in fact I would actually like to conclude by saying the CSS from Mount Kenya region have failed us alright that's our words Pith on your final words my final words in regard to issues with the young people the nation youth council activity is being amended and I think it has not served the purpose so the voice it has not been the voice of young people of this nation and I think it's going to be one of the platforms platforms for us to have a voice and number two is to say that Kenya we know the problems in Kenya it is not new in the BBI report we just need the goodwill of our politicians and I pray that they will not just focus on the positions of the prime minister alone and the opposition leader focus on the issues that are affecting Panjiko and are affecting the young people as a whole alright thank you very much Pithon and Anita for coming and sharing your opinions and your comments we were talking about the youth being involved in the national cake baking other than sharing and what has come clearly out here is we get to the kitchen thank you so much for coming and back many thanks for keeping us company coming up next is Kwaimashawiki Kwaimashawiki my name is Dereva Hillay have yourself a very good night and a wonderful week