 And that's when I said well, let's just make it thoughtful Thursday, then Justin You know Yeah, just like Darker Deemer always says it's gonna be a thoughtful Thursday. He always says that you hear Don't you? Is this listening? Oh Jack it on jack it on here we go whoo si new house that was close public communications Respectability jacket Jacket I kind of want one like it. This was my doctor who jacket. It's kind of got a lot of schmutz on it here Yeah, you're doing a Matt Smith. I've worn it to a couple wrestling shows and one To I got cottage cheese thrown on there. Well, it's gonna happen, you know, sometimes you're just gonna get a little cottage cheese should just Spray it with scotch guard It's a good idea. Yeah Well, y'all have fun now We will I'm gonna I'm gonna be back here now. Yeah, you're okay. That's what that's where you feel comfortable I'm just gonna hold on. I need to take a sip of hot coffee from my new GTS mug. Oh Tasty coffee Made of air Are you ready? Yes, I'm ready. Yes need well. No wait hold on by ready. I mean, I'm not ready and I Get on my other network my other wireless network so I can Change the lights On the show hit the light you get to watch Justin change the lights. Oh This reminds me I actually I'm going to try during this show To show a screen on the YouTube video We'll see how that goes Do I know how to do it at all? Yeah, I do that. I do that. Okay. All right Maybe I'll never come back, but Let me know when you're ready soon. I'll get the troops entertained Oh Look at that now we're talking. Let's go. All right, let's do this. Here we go. Well, that didn't work Why is that not working? No, that is working At least I'm recording that good Good We're all fine here How are you? Great doing good. How come I never I never tested this today. This is the one day. I don't test something What happened? The the iPad isn't playing any anything. No, but though I Could I could make the sounds. It's all right Yeah, I bumped I bumped something it's called the mute button. Oh, no, there we go. All right This episode of the Daily Tech news show is brought to you by me If you'd like to bring the next episode to yourself go to Daily Tech news show comm slash support to be part of the show Let's do this time This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, November 19th, 2015 on Tom Merritt joining me again Two in a week. Just a Robert Young DTNS contributor and independent podcaster. How are you? I'm I'm very very happy not only to be back this week But also to be back on such an important and awesome Day of the week. Yeah, it's a fan mail Thursday or perhaps we should call it a thoughtful Thursday for those who prefer alliteration But we're doing we got so much good feedback Regarding the discussion of ride sharing in the future of automobiles and the LA auto show is going on So really I mean except for Justin being in Oakland. We could pretend this is the LA auto show We're gonna read a bunch of your emails most a lot of them About that topic some of them just about other picks and stuff and of course, we're gonna have our regular headlines It's gonna be a really fun show They said ominously before it was boring Won't you join me? I Thought about that as I was saying that like anytime you say it's a really fun show Like you're lying. Yeah. Oh, like why do you have to tell me that? But I seriously believe it LG announced it has partnered with Korean credit card companies Shinhan card and KB Kukmin To prepare for the launch of LG pay because what we need is another proprietary payment system No details were given but an LG spokesperson told TechCrunch that they will have more details in the coming weeks Looks like they're just gonna roll it out in South Korea though Which which is where LG has a good fan base now as much as this is one of those things You don't want to put more attention and effort into another silo Are we at a point where if everybody is doing these then it will have to or it will be Mandatory almost for people to just take Some version right or some aggregate version or will there be businesses that spring up that say yeah No, we just take everything although it's all pretty much runoff NFC anyway, right. Yeah, I guess what I what I would like to see is What actually happens with with Google and an Apple pay where it's like well, I've got Apple pay NFC works I've got Google wallet NFC works like just make it so it's like well It doesn't matter if you have visa or Mastercard you choose one of those for various reasons on your own benefit, but they all work. Yeah Facebook says it will experiment with new tools to give users the option to digitally distance themselves That's a quote unquote from former loved ones without unfriending or blocking them Facebook will prompt users with the option to quote see less when they change their relationship status And also offers the option to have the person in question see less of their posts Facebook will also allow you to go back and change privacy settings on images as well as untag yourself From them now Tom. I think we we immediately go to breakups with this Which is obviously a huge use case, but I think this is tremendously important especially for Breakups that aren't just the he said she said maybe I want to see them less for mental health, but dangerous Toxic relationships that that people need to distance themselves from and very often very often We see the kind of callous hand of the internet, you know sort of recommend Oh, maybe you should be friends with your abusive ex-boyfriend or girlfriend Yeah, but this is isn't this like in those extreme situations. You would just block you would just unfriend a block Like this is for well, I don't mind seeing them It's okay. It's okay for them to continue to communicate. I don't have a problem with them I just don't want to see all the stuff when they start dating again Yes, and no because a lot of times these situations are very very volatile and blocking or or doing things that The other person who might be unstable would perceive as an act of aggression can very often spark things up I'm not saying hmm is interesting. Yeah I just think that it is very very good that they have these tools in the toolbox to give you the fine-tuned control Over the situation. Good point John's e776 wanted us to make sure you knew Amazon now has the option to use two-step Authentication you can use an authenticator app or get a security code sent to you by text message your choice In fact, you can use one as a backup for the other go to your Amazon account page choose change account settings Then click edit for advanced security settings. It's buried in there But once you get there, you'll see the option to turn on two-step verification Can't wait until this stuff continues to get easier and more more movies Look at my watch and have it recognize my eyeballs The New York Times reports YouTube will pay the future legal cost for creators It deems were the subject of unfair takedown notices Starting with four particular creators none of the creators have faced legal challenge yet But YouTube says that the move is to highlight fair use cases and may expand the program to include more creators This is really interesting to me and of course my wife works at YouTube, but I I think this is Subject to some criticism because on the one hand this does as a creator does not make me feel like YouTube's got my back Because I have to get them to choose me to defend right I have to get in trouble first and then hope they come to my aid So it doesn't shield me, but it will have the effect of Actors who might go around saying well just just claim everything because it doesn't really matter to maybe stop sending out as many takedown notices because they don't want to end up tripping the wire that does cause YouTube and a million dollars To wait in and say oh no, we're gonna defend this person in court. I think this is certainly a PR situation You know, this is them saying that they are not just the the guillotine blade You know being wielded by people with spurious claims. Yeah, it is it is a PR move I think it is more than just a PR move Fred von Lohmann The lawyer actually is one of the few people within Google that will speak out in defensive fair use fairly often So I feel like this is something where they do want to Strike back and this is the first time since after the Viacom suit got settled that we've heard about this And when they were in the lawsuit with Viacom They were constrained about what they could do in these sorts of relationships because it could be dragged in court and shown To see they they try to help the pirates. Yeah, well when I say PR, I don't mean hollow Yeah, yeah, it is a big public message that they want people to pay attention to Mode blue wanted us to discuss the report out of black hat Europe from last week actually But it's just now getting some attention that two Spanish security researchers who work for Salesforce demonstrated vulnerabilities in last pass one of the researchers Martin Vigo has a great post up about what they found How they found it and what you should do about it and he said in that post that he believes password managers are a great tool He provides a nice list of recommendations of what he thinks you as a last-pass user should do to secure your last-pass account And mitigate the vulnerabilities he discovered and he made a point that last pass responded very quickly to the reports And Vigo wrote quote there is no bug-free software and any future research on other password managers would likely have similar results he's a little frustrated that people are taking this as a Hey, we found out that last pass is vulnerable. He's like no, this is this is security research in action Which is you examine something and you find vulnerabilities and then you get people to fix it and you make it more secure This is one of those things that always I can very much understand the frustration of the person who presented this compared to the Attention that it gets from the press because the press headline is just like password managers like will they give you You know the the heartache of a lifetime will tell you at 11 like and it's just it's it's fear-mongering when he's you know What it feels like he wants to say is this is grown folks business This is how these things work you expose vulnerabilities you patch vulnerabilities That is how we get bigger and better in a world where people constantly want to do damage to our systems And honestly, I took it. I took this article as an excellent Checklist to go through and like okay. Have I done everything? To make sure that that I have secured this account if I am someone who's going to use it It's just if nothing else go to Martin Vigo's link. We'll have it in the show notes Skip right down to the end and look at that recommendations thing for you He even has one for last pass by the way, which he gave to them and be like, yes, am I doing that? Am I doing that? Am I doing that if you use last pass? Habit where the condo say wanted us to mention the intercept report that a cell phone found belonging to Oblong to one of the attackers from Paris last week was found outside the Bataclan concert hall The phone was encrypted and contained messages unencrypted unencrypted and contained messages sent in the in the clear using SMS The LeMond reports information from the phone was used to locate a safe house on Wednesday Meanwhile Reuters reports that the information technology industry council released a statement saying Weakening encryption to help the government increase security quote simply does not make sense The group represents Microsoft Google Apple and many other tech companies and of course the the debate Continues now you can take this phone that was found and encrypted either way and say Well, look, you know, we were lucky enough to find one that was unencrypted and it helped with a raid Wouldn't it be nice if all phones could be unencrypted and and help with raids? And and I refer you to Tuesday's show for our discussion of that topic But a lot of people are taking this report and and playing their side of this argument with it. I mean, I'm sure that We don't need to get political here because it did you know to be honest I don't think the political lines have really been drawn on this But I don't think that fighting a war on encryption will will really yield us with any better results than a lot of the other High-minded words that we've decided that that puts you right in line with the information technology industry council and Tim Cook and lots of other people Carnegie Mellon University issued a response Finally to those allegations from a while ago that tour director Roger Dingell Dean made that the university helped U.S. law enforcement crack tour possibly in exchange for a million dollars a Statement from Carnegie Mellon reads The university from time to time is served with subpoenas requesting information about research It has performed the university abides by the rule of law complies with lawfully issued subpoenas and receives no funding for its compliance They did not write wink wink At the end of that but yeah, I mean they didn't actually directly respond They said there's been a lot of inaccurate reports in the press We want to tell you that when we get subpoenas we comply with them and we don't get paid for complying Don't know that that has to do with anything in particular But that's what we do so Carnegie Mellon and a lot of these really big name schools where so much amazing research Into technology goes on are really at a vulnerable point right now. You know, they they They don't want to look like hired guns And that is oftentimes Muddied by the fact that they do like Carnegie Mellon is doing research for uber like it is not Crazy do think that somebody would have a special relationship Carnegie Mellon gets you gets funds from the US government. Yeah, we're cyber security research like there's no doubt about that. Yeah so, you know, it's it's I think it's it's one of those things that you know, you in the ivory tower You know, you kind of bristle at but you can certainly understand where people would get that idea Yeah, and I don't think Dingledine was saying they got paid directly to respond to a subpoena He was saying they get a million dollars for cyber security research and they helped out with this and you do the math. Yeah Match the company behind dating sites match.com. Okay. Cupid and tinder issues issued its stock IPO at $12 a share the bottom of its expected range of 12 to 14 and Another Wall Street news square issued its stock today at $9 a share less than the expected 11 to 13 Get it estimated earlier this month Drew from gloomy, New Jersey who works near the stock exchange sent us pictures of squares IPO party quote They highlighted how many different types of businesses you square for payments They had several food trucks on the street, which is actually broad street and not Wall Street and tense with everything from coffee shops To caricature artists to a barbershop where you can get a haircut. I even grabbed a donut and a cider on my way to work Man, it's actually a really cool way to do it Like you could just go get a lobster roll in celebration of squares IPO outside of Wall Street Outside the New York Stock Exchange You want would actually be really really rad is if they left those out there like during the night because That whole area goes completely silent. It is one of the weirdest Well, one of the few places in New York that just actually goes totally ghost town past 5 o'clock And it would be really rad to just make you know The the square sponsored village and actually have it be something that would be worth it to come down and say Yeah, big thanks to Drew for sending along those pictures We'll have a link to his Google photo album if you want to take a look at him some more later Now apparently all these IPO folks are doing it in the wrong country The Wall Street Journal has an article noting that Australia has risen to fifth in the world for a mount raised by new tech IPOs this year up from 8th last year and 13th the year before Meanwhile while the US stays in first place the amount raised by US IPOs has fallen to a seven-year low The article has a fascinating explanation of how Australia's mining history has created the conditions for the sort of of tech investing boom Because people are used to having risks on on mining startups and the other thing that fascinated me was a description of Reverse IPOs where essentially a broke mining company is trading for 20 cents a share so a tech company comes in and Merges with that company and then becomes a tech company instantly and has stock available for purchase Well, Bob's your uncle. Yeah You want to know more about this well, we would need Peter Wells on board maybe with a day six of the Daily Tech news show snap Just saying you want that day six folks. Let us know patreon.com Alright, and also we want if even if you don't have a dollar to throw our way submit your stories and vote on them at DailyTechnewshow.reddit.com it definitely helps us put stuff in the lineup I wouldn't have put that last pass story in the lineup I'll be honest if so many of you weren't voting it up in the subreddit Because I thought it was kind of a non-story that bloggers were blowing out a proportion But it gave us a chance to talk about it and say well, this is what we really think is going on So thank you for doing that DailyTechnewshow.reddit.com is awesome. Go look at it and that's a look at the headlines All right, it's thoughtful Thursday. It's fan mail Thursday And we're gonna start with Hans Stoppable who wrote I know this might not be exactly in the wheelhouse of DTNS, but would it be possible to get a five-minute discussion about good places to find deals on tech During Black Friday, Cyber Monday, or maybe just some items you guys are looking to pick up next week where you're headed for them Maybe divided up into categories. I know you're not a home shopping podcast I just think the listeners might be interested in hearing where everyone's favorite tech commentators are getting their devices this year and I wrote Hans Stoppable back and I was like my Usual thing on Black Friday and Cyber Monday is not by anything. Yeah I'm never really a Black Monday or sorry a Black Friday Cyber Monday Not a Black Monday guy. Hey, well my stock crashes in the 20s Man listen, I don't stop there. Anyway, that was the 80s So yeah, I don't really do a ton of shopping, you know, I think that very often Where where I would look for stuff is just kind of Understand what you want and then keep an eye on on Twitter and Facebook and stuff like that because really what I think is most Interesting is when the really rad deals kind of bubble up organically people love to share them There was you know, especially televisions and cameras are really the big thing, you know Whenever those go on their little runs on an Amazon or something like that The word tends to get around pretty fast, but I'm not one to be sitting, you know Refreshing every five seconds and to be honest. I think a prime day broke me for for Amazon I generally try to present myself as a reasonable individual but I I one of my crank beliefs is that every Advertisement that says it's a deal is a ripoff I just and Black Friday is my nightmare like I have no idea if this stuff's real Would I buy this if it wasn't on sale? I'm just gonna stay away because you know how I save money on Black Friday not spending anything All right, I tell people to get off my lawn You know, but I do think that you don't have to be as crazy as that But when you're shopping the one thing I would say is Don't get sucked into buying something you wouldn't otherwise and make sure you're actually getting a deal Make sure you're not just buying an inferior product for a cheap price or that the deal isn't on Secretly more expensive than it might be otherwise. Well, I mean, yeah, I think Here's the biggest key know what you want don't like you know the the the the big Problem is when you start to get like oh, well, I don't know like maybe I do need this electronic lazy Susan because it is Exactly well and Just just need the up first over us, right? So we're building out the studio here in in our apartment in Oakland We have two sets here There are things that I feel like we could use for it up to an including lights cameras action, sorry Is that a deal? Well, I mean like hue lights for example, we do we do a lot with you lights We we we have a lot of different things set up. We we we affect them. We change them So if there was a run if there was a price drop on hue lights, then yeah I think it'd be something we'd be really interested in. Well, yeah If I saw something I knew I wanted and it was cheaper than I knew it itself for I would not not buy it Yeah, I knew I was going to buy it anyway It's just to me I guess what it really comes down to in all in all seriousness is I don't want to spend the effort It feels like it's not worth my time to go scrounging around to find those deals So I'm just it's not fun for me and it is fun for some people. That's fine Oh, I mean there are without a doubt Go ahead and an at reply at ace detect and at just our young if you are a compulsive shopper for whom the hunt of Black Friday is truly the most dangerous game. Yes and link to your favorite deals So that unstoppable can look at the at replies to us and find them the problem solved Darker demer the chat room does point out that action is only 11.99 this year on Amazon as but there's a limited amount of action And the cancelled to early jay more drop. I think you'll all be very excited All right, let's get into some picks of the day We're gonna do several because it's fan mail Thursday Russell notes Caltech has put Richard Feynman's lectures up on their site and Optimize them for pretty much any device. They're free to read online as a Feynman fan I would recommend these as his brilliance a clarity of explanation are great And he always manages to put a very human and relatable touch to the material go to Feynman lectures caltech edu Well done caltech. I I have Feynman lectures on CD. I have I have books But but if you have never experienced them, this is definitely the first place to stop Highly recommended surely you're joking mr. Feynman to me is something that is a must read Or or listen on the audiobook is very good as well. I'll just say one thing Feynman and Carl Sagan as far as the faces of science for their generation We're really really really something special and I feel that their absence, you know from from the world is very acutely Felt you know because I think now we're in a very very weird place where the faces of science are also There to be right and not just to be these kind of Big large glowing friendly faces for like hey you should understand the world around you And I think that that's what both of them did so exceptionally well that it wasn't about hey You should know this because if you don't you're dumb it was about hey look The world is here for you whether you like it or not and and I will just be there to be the Compelling charismatic friendly face and help you understand more about it. Yeah Joe writes I wrote I write Delta a lot going to work and home Delta has two ways of watching movies in the back of the plane if it's a Boeing except for the 717 This screen is in the back of the seat Otherwise you need to download the go-go app to get the free movies You go to movies and then select all movies and you can find all the free And pay for movies on one gigantic list I see every passenger get frustrated using the interface because it defaults you to the money movies under new releases and give up It always takes a second to explain to them the trick, but I get worried most passengers just give up Make sure you bring your own headphones. However, this is Really really rad. I don't have a lot of experience with the go-go app However having been up until very very recently a business flyer on United a disclosure level. I can say that oh, oh, yeah, sorry one K passenger two years in a row over a hundred and thirty thousand miles from this year now The United apps. I must have if you're flying on United if you are on a flight without direct TVs in the Headsets but with Wi-Fi All right, you get access to all basically this is what's happening and You have all these people that that provide Wi-Fi on planes that also realize hey We can connect people via Wi-Fi. Yeah, Southwest does it That's the only way you get you get free TV and and some movies as well Yeah, and so they'll just stream the movies off their server on the plane itself. It's great It is it is you know a huge awesome way to to to save, you know, like your sanity when you can just flip that on and kind of a You know, I think of an added benefit is it's a great way to keep your battery? Because if it's only connecting via Wi-Fi and you turn off your other radios you can watch a couple movies and Still have a lot of battery when you land because it's not trying to ping it Bernard writes is anyone familiar with San Francisco is aware it's made up of a dozen or more microclimates So the weather in the Sunset District can be vastly different than downtown or the mission Mr. Chilly is an app that pulls data from weather underground for a 16-hour extended period and is incredibly useful for planning out your science science fiction San Francisco activities He wrote SF and that's where my brain went for planning out your San Francisco activities whether in the city Where wherever in the city you'll be it's iOS only sorry Android folks But it gives you microclimate predictions so that you know whether to bundle up if you're headed out to the beach Which is what you do in San Francisco Absolutely it this is You know, I think I don't know I mean I I Think this is great. This is a great way and let's actually just move on from here because I don't think anybody outside of San Francisco What's to hear more ways that awesome apps can affect them while they're in San Francisco? Do you have an aux jack and $20 if so, let me introduce you to sound bot SB 360 You take that cars electrical port back in my day. We called it a cigarette lighter plug in three USB They're plug in the three USB port adapter plug in the aux jack cable and voila You have a Bluetooth enabled vehicle What's more if you travel or switch cars you can take this with you and have it to bear against a foreign device if I might So it's mildly safer Yeah, so in other words, you don't have to pair with the car you're renting You can use this that you're already paired with and and then you're not sending data into something that you don't know What's gonna happen to it later on which is which is mild mildly safer. So yeah 20 bucks check it out folks sound bot SB 360 and then it gives you two extra USB ports as well because it's a three USB port thing that comes with it one of them connects to The Bluetooth adapter, but then you got two more. Thanks. Nicely done. Thank you big Jim. Oh, send your pics. Oh, sorry Just plug in ox to ox. I mean like Bluetooth cool, right? I'll be honest That's what I do But if let's say you're in a car that doesn't have an oxjack that you You need an oxjack as you oh, that's right. No, you're right because that how do you print it? How do you connect the Bluetooth thing? I don't know. It's just it's cool. It's very cool. Very very things with it You very very much big Jim. I Yeah, that might be a little bit of a root goal for a fairly simple Send your pics to us feedback and daily tech news show.com. You can find my pics at daily tech news show comm slash pics All right, we got lots of messages about ride sharing starting with a call from Jacob. Hi, Tom Jacob for Oregon here I loved your discussion yesterday about the changing trends and how cars are being used with the the advent of apps like uber and other Alternative transportation options, but I think there's a part you left out I've noticed in recent years. There's been a bunch of companies. They've been developing smaller more efficient vehicles intended for shorter daily driving For example in my hometown a company called our Komodo recently announced production plans for a little Two-seater vehicle that's electric with a 70 mile range They plan to offer it for a little over $10,000 And I think that'll make it really attractive for people in urban areas who don't want the the high monthly payments and Maintenance costs of a traditional car And don't want to rely on ride shares or public transportation There's there's a lot of people that just don't just aren't interested in that My prediction is that small Efficient vehicles like the Arkamoto and the Ilio and others will become popular in dense urban areas for in-town commutes At least until self-driving cars become the norm. I love your show. Keep up the great work. I Want I want to get in on Jacob's enthusiasm here Because I love the idea. I just feel like this is for $10,000 I can I can take three Uber trips a day for all the every day all year long And I know he's like some people don't want to do ride-sharing and maybe that's true But a lot of people don't want to have a two-seater car either I just feel like this is the this is the solution to something that will no longer be needed Within a few years. Yeah, this is Arkamoto says it's starting at 12 not 10. It's 11 900 on their website and it is Very much. I mean it I don't think it would be insulting it to say it looks golf cart. Esk, you know It has it has that kind of feel to it. I I Agree with you I think we're more likely to see a different usage of our our current infrastructure as opposed to a brand new Model for which because the people who don't want to do ride-sharing or self-driving cars that they don't own are car lovers and car Lovers some of them are going to be excited about these because they're cool technology But a lot of them are going to be more excited about sports cars or something with a powerful engine or something like that So I don't know it'd be totally wrong Jacob. Thanks for sharing the thought with us though Rich from lovely Cleveland thinks the biggest problem we'll have with the future of self-driving cars will be infrastructure He writes I'm thinking about the very basic Reconfiguring of our cities and roadways to leverage the basic efficiency of self-driving cars whether it's simple simply stratified lanes for these vehicles Or more radical as there is less and less human comprehensibility that the roadway needs You know, I guess the where where you would look to is all of the you know, HOV lanes and You know the special highways like the side pay highways with with the the the changing the ever-changing tolls based on you know supply and demand so The idea that we would make these infrastructures if even just for highway driving for cars that had maybe not totally autonomous But semi-autonomous systems like what you've seen with that Tesla's autopilot doesn't seem that far off, right? Yeah, and It's not like we built logical on ramps in most of the parts of this country anyway So I don't know if that if that needs to be changed or not But I do feel like you probably don't need as many lanes You know these six lane highway that I have running right through my front yard not really not that far away from here Probably only needs to be to if you have real efficient self-driving cars. I could be totally wrong about that I thought I may be overestimating the efficiency But I don't think you need as much roadway if you have more efficient algorithm controlled driving Which highway are you near four or five? No, say it like you're from Los Angeles Oh the 405 Excellent Frans from the Philippines writes ride sharing services are now legal here And of course as expected taxis will try to resist but I haven't heard any news about that However from what I've observed taxi companies are actually going for uber's competitor grab taxi and a few that I observed in my Trip to Cebu City are signing up for a homegrown ride sharing service. It's fascinating What competition can actually do for a market now? There's a competing for a helicopter ride sharing along with grab and that is you know, sorry What's next submarines by the way? I'm so ready for those I can't wait for submarine sharing and if you're in an island a collection of islands like the Philippines Might you might need a submarine, you know, take a submarine ride if you're going, you know down to the south Or or up to Luzon, you know, just take a sub up there. I'm a ride sharing on my sub But I really I don't know. Can't is it possible to run like a ride sharing a boat ride sharing thing like from like Jack London Square to Somewhere in San Francisco. Yes. In fact, I think I want to say it was New York, but it could be wrong There are ride sharing boat services happening in some city and I can't remember which city now maybe Which is not to say much because they experiment everything that that uber was looking to do some kind of San Francisco to East Bay You know boat service, but I would be so into that I love that that ride between Jack London Square and the ferry building whenever if ever you are in the Bay area It is one of my favorite things to recommend to people because it looks so rad And I would love to have that on demand Roger Chang. Thank you so much In slack telling us Istanbul is the place that has the ride sharing boats but a quick a quick web search turned up coastal life an app being used in south florida, justin for people to share boat rides Now that is that that's great. I mean certainly that makes a lot of sense in Miami and for lauderdale And in front of Miami-Dade because you have a lot of canal access So it's really not that hard for somebody to have a boat that you know, obviously It's a it's a tremendous amount of upkeep and if you can rent it out for a little bit. It certainly helps Christian from I don't know Fahrenheit, but the water is solid outside trundheim writes with a Scandinavian perspective He says in norway you need to have a permit to do personal transport bus taxi, etc Cab owners are the permit holders But they can hire drivers who then need their own certificate of a kind to be a driver I don't know if the expression pirate taxi is widespread outside of norway or scandinavia But that's what we call people who drive other people around for pay without a permit Especially on weekends and other holidays ride sharing is supposed to be a carpool of sorts I'm going the same way as you're going. Why don't we split the cost cost should be just a couple of dollars Uber drivers aren't interested in driving for cost. They're not philanthropists They're in it for money that makes uber drivers pirates Uh, and then he cites an article in the norwegian newspaper that more or less concluded that even the norwegian uber drivers know They're doing what they're doing is illegal and they drive less and less because if they get pulled over the cops cut their plates Oh, geez Yeah But I love I just love the idea of pirate taxis uh, well, that's And and it's probably offensive, but you know that that's where our our term gypsy cab Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's not it's not a nice way of describing it But yeah, that's that in new york city that is often what is what they're an unlicensed transportation vehicle is referred to absolutely No, is this last one me or do yeah, that was last one's you I marked it wrong I used to drive a taxi on long island and I had to get a hack license the hack license was so we could solicit rides Personally with this license We could sit at the train station when the trains came in and try to get people to allow us to drive them to their destination On the other hand if someone solicited us for a ride or or on the other hand I have someone solicited us for a ride There was no license necessary for that if someone calls you and asks you to pick them up in exchange for money Anyone is allowed to do that This is the difference between uber and taxis uber isn't sitting at the train station soliciting their services You don't hail an uber you go to them specifically asking them to pick you up and drive you to your destination in exchange for money Which to my knowledge anyone can do without a license at least in long island rich And rich was saying that he doesn't know how it works other way other places and obviously in trondheim It works differently, but he's saying in long island uber's just you doing it by the book So the laws are different in different places for sure Yeah, I mean that seems obvious to say yes laws are different But but the laws Particularly for what uber and lyft and grab taxi etc do are going to be different in some places grab taxi might not be legal because It is a a way for taxi companies to coordinate that might be considered antitrust And that's and that's the weird thing is that what we are seeing now is this like you know the Get people from one point to another industry was effectively A caveman like frozen or captain america frozen in ice for a lot of years that had no Evolution and really just kind of existed in the form from the 1970s to the you know past 2010 It was effectively the exact same industry that was regulated by medallions and stuff like that Now we are seeing this rapid Expands of like okay. Well, if they're not going to have a monopoly then how do we figure this out? What's fair? What's right? What's the government's responsibility? What is the the responsibility of the company? What is the responsibility the personal driver and it's it's fascinating to see Every different municipality and country come up with what they believe is important to protect and important to break down Yeah, the the attacks On on the the business models are different in paris than they are in san francisco Then they are in istanbul than they are london. They went after the dispatching system They're like you're operating in a legal dispatching system, which is exactly what grab taxi is is doing. So yeah It's it's it's well well put It's just taking an ossified business model and exposing it to the light watching them ice melt off of it And and then dealing with what's left behind It's actually I heard in the interview with mark cuban In which he was asked what his what what the biggest, you know Slap his forehead moment of his career was and it was Not investing in uber that uh that the travest colonic came to mark cuban And they had done another startup before that and he said hey I want to put you know, this is my new thing and and mark cuban said you want to know what great idea I just don't know if it's ever going to get past all the regulation everything's just so such a rocket Gibraltar And and so he moved on and you know now uber zuber and colonic said oh, we'll just jump past the regulation We'll just operate in tron time without you know without being legal and we'll Well, that was the idea was that you know, uh, he You know, they had the money and they had the will and really when you look at it I don't know if you could have gotten that kind of momentum any other way than what they've done Yeah, well that is it for this episode of dts Thank you. 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Well, it's not available if you don't have comcast internet So it's only running on another lines. Is it really a net neutrality violation then? That's that that's where it ends for me. It's like well, it's it's their internal service Like I can't get it as a Verizon internet subscriber If I could and then it didn't count against your data cap As a comcast subscriber I'd be more upset about it because the arguments you have to make are like well But if you are a comcast subscriber, you might be more likely to pay for that then get sling tv Which gives them an unfair advantage and that's that's fair, but it's not exactly a net neutrality thing at that point It's more of a an antitrust. No, it's not and it's it really I mean like, you know 87 million first same as the first like these data caps are fraudulent and and the fact that this is like Oh, no, yeah, please stream Uh, uh high quality content that will uh either go on your television or will scale up to your television Or be on your large scale uh ipad pro Uh, yeah, no totally that's fine. Oh, we can do uh all of it Yeah, we hope everybody gets uh gets our gets our ip tv that doesn't stream against the data caps Why do we have data caps? Oh, oh because congestion because we got to make sure the congestion thing has always been a ruse It's never been about congestion. Well, yeah, but I mean, this is just you know, this is this is Fraudulence It's it's I don't think it's fraudulent because what they could argue is well The congestion is at the interconnection not on our internal network So since we're streaming this across our internal network, well, of course, it's fine It won't be a congestion problem We need to stop people pulling things in from outside because those interconnections are the ones that get clogged up because we don't add Capacity to them, uh, which is a different sort of Just the lather Uh, we did talk about that service on court killers already. We just didn't know it wasn't going to count against your data cap Yeah We call it pirate taxi. I mean, yeah Uh, yes Hey, uh, so how do I use snapchat? Um, this is what I want to know for my birthday is my birthday present that I'm asking for from the internet Which is how do I use snapchat? Well, I Specify what you mean because I think you know how to use snapchat. Yeah, I downloaded it and I opened it Yeah And I so then you add contacts and then you can send Pictures to your contacts, but Justin, I think what she wants is how do I use it? to like How do I use it so that it's useful to me? Yeah, exactly Oh follow people follow people that you like that are active and and and it really is a a tremendous uh It is it is about consuming Right, there are there are like some really fun ways to share it But if the point of sharing for you Is like I take a picture and now I see what the reaction is which is so much of twitter and facebook Right then you left cold by snapchat snapchat is as good as the people that you follow And it is that consumption that like easy frictionless consumption that is it's calling code So when people change their twitter icons to be snapchat icons, is that so you can more easily Follow them that's so they so they they look hip. Yeah, all right Because that would be cool if it was actually a down like a like a um qr code in disguise as your twitter How do you post to people who follow you? Yeah, because it doesn't work like twitter where you just post everything publicly, right? I'm I'm just a little confused by it. Say it again. How do you post to people who follow you? I think you just post right but you have to send it to people you have to choose who to send out Well, no, you're just your default is it goes every ashley's here who knows more about snapchat if you're just sending it out to everybody My story you post some story. That's what I was looking for So you can send it to people and use it like sms or you post it to my story and then everyone who follows you can see it Okay, got it All right. I'm gonna try at 39 years old. I'm definitely gonna try to learn snapchat Oh Probably would your 45 try to learn steps No, fine. Just fine people who are good. I can't believe that he got to leave it off my phone I'm down How do I get rid of any of my snapchats from my lovely wife? Oh, but snapchats temporary anyway Well, yeah But how do you find people who aren't just comedy central and such That's a good question. How do you find people? Like what's the discovery like? Uh, you can search your contacts All of my contacts are like Old people You never know You might be getting buck wild. How do you how do you follow like Adele? Yeah You can be rolling in the deep Lee Justin is keeping his proprietary snapchat usage information to himself Now you gotta fight you can find other people's stories though, right? Also, uh, snapchat is one of the few things that I actually kind of find brand stuff not totally intolerable Right, uh, because buying large people don't know how to use it Just like it's just a very obvious fumbling and number two even when it's done deliberately It's it's pretty rad because like it is very personal no matter what even at its most crass It's somebody hitting a button and taking a picture and or recording something Uh, you know fairly natural On the plus side the one I think this just goes to like desire Like if you want something enough, you'll follow it and figure out how to use it So the only thing I've person I've successfully followed on snapchat is gif palm Who's that little little pomeranian that was in the Katy Perry video So I've managed to find gif palm You have to know their username, I guess I guess, yeah Used to be like that too snapchat. I can't what how did I go so long? It's I did it again You used to call me on your snapchat You used to call me on your snapchat Hello That's my favorite Favorite thing of the past two weeks is the mashup of drake adel and lionel richie. Oh my gosh Oh, uh, so the best Ever Comment that we got from so matt's movie premiered last night, which was really exciting That's so exciting. It was so exciting and we went to um And we saw the movie and you know like disney xd has all these cute little disney stars that they invest all their time and money in And they go to all the premieres and there was this one Lovely girl and I don't remember her name, but Like I had a picture of matt uh on instagram and I I did the right hashtag apparently And there was a squirrel in the movie It's called the mad squirrel And she wrote That squirrel is my bae and I knew we had a hit Hype It was amazing you used to call me on my squirrel phone Although bae is starting to become a Mature word not not mature like like nasty. I just mean like You know Say that again. You nasty, huh? No, I just mean like it's it's becoming a mean little mainstream now. Yeah, it's like best friend Like it's it's certainly it's somewhere between bae and best, you know, like old bae and best friend Old bae the old gray bear just date I think I figured out the layout finally With the new No, the layout of my desk Had to change because of the ipad pro. Uh, it's not to have the ipad pro upright. It's still need it down. It's better down Uh, but I put it in front of the keyboard and move the keyboard over here and that worked really well today. So You used to call me on my bae phone I don't know My booty call phone. It's my bae day. I do what I want Happy bae Bae day Wait, is it your birthday today? It is What? It's my birthday today. You know facebook friends. How did this we are facebook friends? That's how I found out I've got a facebook notification birthday facebook signal was drowned out by Uh, the premiere like the premiere Did a lot, but I got an email was like it's jenny joseph's birthday today This is wait jenny joseph's Oh my god jenny joseph's daily tech news show dan rather You know She's falling quite a ways I would disagree Um, have you seen the movie? The rather the rather movie, you know I haven't yet because I lived through it in a tiny adjacent way where I had nothing to do with it and only felt empathy for everybody involved So I I have to watch it like a loan in the dark. I think not in a movie You have to watch it on your cell phone. Yeah, pretty much One day one day without it being public, uh, we should we should have a conversation because as as an outsider I drew So many different Of so many like I think it's it's one of the most important media stories Um in in in my lifetime But for none of the reasons that yeah One of the things that I can say publicly because it really is just how I feel about it is like You and I as journalists and tom. I'm I think maybe tom Maybe has ever made like one mistake, but like the feeling of making a mistake or screwing up No, I've made more than one. Yeah Is so profound and powerful when you do it at the easily correctable level That to me the horror of that movie is Is in the making of the mistake and the moment that you find out you made the mistake and like top notch amazing journalists working at their highest possible level Make a mistake and and whether that's Whatever is as ascribed to it being you know tricked or whatever led or Wanting it too much or whatever whatever one side or the other says about it Like that awful feeling of and you feel it coming before you really understand it That you did it and I just like my empathy for that is like through the roof because I remember how I feel about it on Mildly insubstantial things that I got wrong So yeah, that would be my by public takeaway and just like empathy for all involved at all levels so We once ran a story at the Daily Orange where RJ Anderson the then starting quarterback for the Syracuse Orange men when they were still the orange men because I'm ancient uh Had is Was it car stolen? Or or robbed but he listed as having been robbed from the car Uh 30 dollars Unfortunately the poor penmanship of the cop To wrote it made it look very much like three thousand dollars. Oh, no We wrote three thousand dollars In the story which Immediately raises questions as a student. Hi. Yeah, RJ Anderson have three thousand dollars just sitting in his car Uh, like and not in his pocket not in a bank account. That seems like a fishy thing and it all fell down around us and uh the the person I forget if I approved it or or you know, whatever my explicit element of it But I was either in management or running the news section at the time and it was Horrifying it's just it's it's it's it's terrible. Uh, and and and you and you never feel lower as a journalist Sometimes that you feel at your lowest is a when you've hurt somebody or when somebody hurting because of something that you are doing That never and it's never simple Um Even when somebody deserves it, you know, it feels bad to hurt people. That's why I got out Uh, yeah, and and and when you get something wrong And when you abuse the power that you have and and understanding that you know as much as you scream from the mountaintops that You know, we're not truth thoughts we're not uh, you know these machines that just like Okay facts come in truth comes out be popular Uh, and people make mistakes that when you're the one Who makes a real error like that? Uh, it's it's a huge issue and I can only imagine for everybody in that thing And that whole kerfuffle had to feel just apocalypse. Yeah Yeah, how about one of my cameramen once not a cbs staffer, but uh, a freelancer had the wrong Lens on his gear And we were chosen at the last second as the jury pool And his pans accidentally put jurors on his like I know and it accidentally got fed out and accidentally some of it ended up in the air Like lawyers had to be called and we had to apologize in court like and that was my fault as the producer like There's your big that was a big one. That's when I was like and it was just those like How I felt about the rather thing on the tiny scale, which is just every tiny little confluence of accident And failure to catch That leads to these things and it was just oh head bangingly awful Well, and and what I find to be the most interesting part of that story is that it was the last time That somebody got up on a mainstream news Thing and said with authority Uh, come on See the internet like without saying come on. It's the internet, but it was this like Big roll of like all right. Yeah The internet's really buzzing around about this story that we really reported the hell out of And I don't doubt that they reported the hell out of it And I don't doubt that everybody was operating at there at their biggest thing But and I haven't seen the movie by the way Yeah, but any assertion that that movie may or may not make about the veracity Of of of how true that information was all one needs to do is take a very quick trip to the wikipedia page And and just look at you know, what was You know, I think it was the last time the stuff like that would ever happen You know and and that's and that's super important because it's completely defined How we look at stuff now, you know and and how Reddit pours to do everything and not to say red's the only place but just You know every comment section will look for the pattern in the photoshop or or you know In this case the serifs on on the letters and just say oh, yeah, by the way, those were impossible to have been made Yeah Yeah, it's a long it's a long sad story Anyway, yeah happy birthday Thanks Yeah Well, I'll tell you what if you guys are doing a star wars thing I will be down in LA to see star wars. So what? All right, what time are you guys going? Yeah, we're going night Uh the the on the 17th, right 17 that like 9 p.m. I think we're in the like first block after The the 7 p.m. I'm tagged I'm tagging creckle out because I'm in at 7 and he's in at 9 which is the showing right after mine Got your mind something Um, but you guys are going to different theater. I think Justin. We are Jenny has Andrew main my uh, my my my my partner in star wars. Well, I had a lovely lunch with on saturday, by the way Did you yeah? he um He uh, he was very uh insistent that we had to go to a uh To an assigned seat theater. Oh my god. I wonder if you're going to my assigned seat theater Which one are you going to know? Or is this secret information? No, I don't know. Is it the arc light in Hollywood? No, it's not the arc light Okay, is it the growth? Most of our theaters down here are assigned seats now. Are they? Yeah All right. Well, anyway, our party is up before and after 8 p.m. Star Wars showing and if enough people are there that can keep the house open adoring Uh, so yeah on friday though, but not on thursday on friday. Oh, oh, oh, oh And you need to be on cord killers on friday. Justin. Yeah, because cord killers and current geek are swapping places Like permanently no no just for that week So that uh because scott won't have seen it and neither will have jenny by the time we do current geek at four You can't do a show where you talk about things if you're not talking about star wars Well, we want to do an entire current geek star wars episode because we have a star wars story every week Right, so we're going to do cord killers so that we can do a spoiler in time That doesn't have to wait until the following monday on that friday at four o'clock So I am flying I am flying to la On the 16th 17th is the midnight is the thursday, right? When do they start on the east coast? I think it's seven seven p.m. Is on the east coast. I don't know So i'm gonna we're turning off twitter, right? Everyone's turning off twitter. Yeah has to be Yeah, we got a we're going on amish going dark. I have to go dark for like 20 24 to 36 hours. Wow. Yeah so Right now my flight is out at 143 p.m. Friday friday, okay But I can always move it back The only thing that needs to happen is I need to get back here to Uh the bay area by saturday Because ashley and I are going to the new alamo draft house in the mix That's amazing. I mean if your flight's on time You could still be on cord killers via skype Would not be as fun. I could get I could get out. Yeah, I mean skype Yeah, skype. Yeah, sorry. Forget what shows too many shows too many shows. Um, yeah, uh Uh Anyway, I hope the viewing audience has enjoyed this booking session. Yeah I've learned nothing like this is like really like So i'm doing also i'm doing uh the star wars report daily show uh or at least monday through friday show With riley blandon every week leading up to the uh movie. Yeah, he does a show every single week I'm going to be on mondays and it's like so i've been thinking a lot about Where I was in 1999 and and what I was excited for and it's like Literally nothing. I spent more money on the opening 48 hours of star wars Uh, then uh, you know, then I did on the fandom and it's despite having been birked by three terrible movies and like I I'm I'm really I really only say this just so nobody else says it about me Like I have no regrets and yet I I just feel like just so it when we all walk out and it's like Oh god, that was kind of a mess. Wasn't it that we're like, I'm like, I knew whatever it's fine No, I am in it for the experience. I am not in it because I assume it will be great Although I hope it will be right. It's impossible to not be More watchable than the fandom men The fandom menace was a little bit I don't know. I just saw it two weeks ago for the first time 10-time dumb about star wars never take your dumb any more time. You know, listen I know I've actually had revenge of the sith is going up as soon as we're done here You've seen it again for the first time. See it again for the first time. I saw it again All right. Thanks everybody for watching. We will talk to you tomorrow