 Now I Remember when I was a student If someone had come on Sunday morning and taken away my holiday, I would have been quite irritating So so right in the beginning I want to apologize for taking away your Sunday Do you need a translation or you don't need all of us will understand English So I I apologize for taking away one or two hours on your Sunday. I'd like to welcome all of you here I can see the future of this country I can see many young women and young men and I'm confident that you're going to do great things I'm here to have a conversation with you Conversation is about what you feel and also about what I feel so I'm here to listen Probably a little more than to speak. I'm here to try and understand what you're going through What your? Fears are what your dreams are I want to get a sense of that And I want to tell you a little bit about what is going on in the country and the type of things that we should be thinking about so we can go straight into the questions now and Yeah, I request professor super watch one-hour college To ask a question on NDP Professor, please stand up and Mike so we give Mike will give it to you hello So dear mr. Raul I'm very happy to be here And I am also thankful to you That you have come all the way from Delhi to listen to us So this is the thing which is missing In from most of our lawmakers, so you have come that is the first I thank you And I thank the organizers also for having this opportunity so I want to give some of the my Views with regard to new education policy you see The introductory speak they have mentioned about the Kothari Commission and the recommendation of the Kothari Commission So I think the Kothari Commission recommendation was the best thing that we have seen even today It is the Bible for our teachers So it speaks about the teachers but the new education see that has been brought out by the government this government that too during the corona period Without getting any feedback or the opinion from the teachers. It has been formulated So it demolishes The construction that has been created or this concept constructed over the last 60 or 70 years So that is the first thing the second thing is The teachers have been not being consulted the Kothari Commission. They referred It has consulted it is our committee members has a Japanese experts Inosco experts An expert from USSR and teacher representatives But this commission they have not consulted they have consulted one T one organization That is the organization the ABVP Or the organization affiliated to the Sangh Pariva All other people we have we have sent so many mails. I am the teacher leader from I-Facto all India Federation That Okay, okay, that has been missing so this NDP is full of agenda for corporateization commercialization and the centralization of education and also computerization and number two is It is it is so many contradictions In one way it says it it it wants to increase the GR on the other hand it says smaller institution has to be close so over the years the UGC and other organizations have expanded By forming or approving small institutions so that in Tamil Nadu We have more than 48 percentage of GR when compared to the national average of 25% That can be possible only because of this thank you, so I want to see you have to raise this issue and As a lawmaker and also as a leader from the the premier party Congress party to see that this has to be With the wrong or this has to be amended or not Amended they cannot be amended because a lot of things are there which cannot be accepted by all so a people's policy has to be framed Thank you, sir. Thank you. Would you like me to comment? Yeah? Yeah, that's on what I think so I think The central point professor made is that an education system is for our students and an education system is Run by our teachers So if we are going to have any policy That is going to be made for our education system. It has to come from a conversation with students it has to come from a conversation with professors and Unfortunately, this was not done So if you don't do that you will not get the right product It is impossible for someone outside the education system to tell our teachers our students What is best for them? It cannot be done So that's the first problem The second problem is that they are centralizing too much power Into the central government into one institution. This is going to damage Our education system the positive side of it is that it is reasonably flexible on a number of counts but it is a weapon to communalize it is a weapon to Push a particular ideology Into the Indian system and that is why I do not like it. Thank you. Thank you for a very short Response next I invite professor Nagarajan on higher education research, please be brief Please I represent you to be brief. We like to listen to Mr. Rahul for his response Please be brief one minute just a minute Just present your question two lines, please Hello I wish to speak on the subject of how teachers appointments are being made in Tamil Nadu What is actually happening in the teachers recruitment our policy advocates The higher education requires energized Encaged and capable faculty But there's there is a gulf between what they preach and what they practice But in practice the appointment of teachers and university teachers are being determined by money Not by the merit Whatever may be the qualification publication of papers Merit one can get college teacher appointment only through open bidding The highest bidder Will get the appointment For the past few days if you turn on the TV you can hear the song You have to translate that Tamulakham is on the way to success Tamil Nadu is on the road to success. It is on the road to success. What is actually happening is professor? Please be brief the higher education department is Striding to scale a new heights in corruption See when they say Tamil Nadu is on the way to success You have to ask one question who in Tamil Nadu is being successful See that's the thing they never say They don't say for example that these two people or these three people are being successful They assume that everybody is being successful, but it's not the case. I want to add one more thing Thank you The vacancies in some colleges some good colleges have not been filled up for the past ten years Even minorities take the root of court to appoint teachers in their colleges in non-minority colleges They cannot fill up the vacancies for the past ten years Because the management is not ready to give money to the Government I Don't want to speak politics, but the truth is politics decides everything From professor post to petrol price. Thank you. Thank you. We need a political right to speak something Truth before the people One more hence I propose the recruitment of teachers for our A law must be an act your body at the state level for the recruitment of teachers for the university and college teachers a dead college teachers recruitment board or State University teachers recruitment board our TRB higher education Thank you, sir. Thank you with a way to circumvent the correction One more thing 7.5 reservation for government school and students must be extended to arts and science Agriculture and animal husbandry Single winter system must be implemented for admissions. These are the points. I want to mention. Thank you Thank you. Thank you for the short response. You want you want to give a response short response. No I think he just put his point. Dr. Manoharan. Dr. Manoharan. Can we also ask the students some to speak? Oh, there are no students Okay, okay, okay Dr. Manoharan, Dr. Manoharan Hey, hey, Dr. Manoharan. Yeah, please be brief. Please Quickly Mike, please Mike quickly Manoharan sir, please one minute. Please please please cooperate because many of many want to check Rahulji very good morning. How to educate young minds to remove Religion from the political discourse. Excellent question, please I don't See I Don't think that You necessarily want to remove religion from the discourse What you do want is All religions To be able to be part of the discourse and you want you want to fair playing field Yes, right. I don't think if if somebody has a religious idea If somebody believes in a religious idea, I don't think you should say to him listen. You cannot speak about that As long as all ideas are competing Properly without hatred without anger I don't see a problem with a conversation taking place where I see a problem is Where you tell somebody you cannot open your mouth because you're from a certain religion or you cannot express your idea because you're from a Certain religion. That's where I see the problem But a healthy democracy should be confident enough to speak about anything. Yes, you know, it should not be that We don't have the courage to speak any truth So that is my my Problem my problem is that the government of India doesn't want To speak allow people to speak. Let me give you an example The government of India Says That they represent Hinduism a Lot of the ideas that they espouse Have nothing to do with Hinduism Nowhere in Hinduism Nowhere in Hinduism does it say Insult people kill people beat people there is nowhere in Hinduism Where it is said that you have to do this but they do it so If you want to have a discussion on the true principles of religion, they are very simple all of them say the same thing Christianity Hinduism Islam Sikhism. They say the same thing treat the other person with respect Treat the other person with love treat the other person with affection. I have never seen a religion that says Hate the other person kill the other person So that is that is the basic structure Look at the end professor said the right thing the whole game is to steal That is the game that is being played and the idea is Do whatever you have to do to take the money of the people of India You look at the farm laws Essentially, the idea is Take what belongs to the farmers take what belongs to the laborers take what belongs to the small business give them to The biggest businesses in the country So that is what the real issue is Thank you. Thank you. You are standing on behalf of all of us. Thank you. Thank you Madam Kalpana, madam Kalpana, please quickly okay very short. Please please please madam Kalpana is there quickly Hello, can you tell me a little bit about yourself? Good morning to one and all present here. It's a great pleasure to interact with our great national leader Welcome to you, sir. Thank you Today I would like to share my thoughts about free education for Students belonging to schedule cast and schedule tribe categories, especially GAL students Our government Tamil Nadu government had earlier issued a government order Saying that students belonging to a CSD group need not pay for their higher education However, this Jeevo is seldom followed in our educational institution Why not this government implement this order Most of our students are from poor families below poverty line and their parents are labors And in rural areas many of the girls students are still not given proper education Because of many reasons financial problem early marriages, etc. They need your help and attention The government would change their world the government must ensure inclusive and equitable quality education and Promote lifelong learning opportunities for them A little bit of support can bring a huge change in our society. This is my humble opinion Thank you. Thank you. My opinion about this my opinion is first of all Why the government is not doing it you'll have to ask them Because I can't answer that question No, but I would like to say a couple of things about Women there is no society in the world that can be successful Without respecting and empowering its own Do you agree with that? Women have to be given correct respect In the society for a society to be successful And I think there is a lot that we have to do in India to give our women The space that they deserve and the space that they require to grow. I believe That education should be universal. I Do not believe that education should be only for financially strong people So I believe the more scholarships we give to poorer people the more Exposure we give to poorer people the better it is and I'm confident that when we come to power after the election In the secular alliance, we are going to push the scholarships. We are going to push Access of education to women and to poor people. Thank you. And I and I stand for that whole heartedly. Thank you Thank you. Thank you. This was the vision of 1986 okay, now I invite Dr. Indra Mary Indra Mary Please please be brief, ma'am Good morning and Greetings from St. Ignatius College of Education. We are from a College of Education and Here in our college, it was a non-profit institution run by the ICM congregation Sisters are say serving the marginalized people and the first-generation learners, but here after 8586 post or not sanctioned for teaching faculty so that Even after repeatedly applying for sanctioning of more posts. There is no response and also The vacancies created due to retirement were filled up and we are not sanctioned with the Salary so that the staff approval and everything the entire Financial burden is now on the shoulders of a nonprofit institution So the sisters are the that is the management has to bear all these burden The government is not at all taking any responsibility for that if at all we give reminders and our Requisitions again and again. We have to rush to Chennai because for colleges of education the university isn't Chennai and now soon after the Everything will come under the Ministry of Education that will be in Delhi and you know the difficulty of traveling from Delhi to the Nalveli for our common people It is not at all possible to rush to Chennai or the Delhi to get our grievances redressed So that even after getting court order it is not at all respected by the government So to meet the needs of the local community It will be better if education is listed under the state list subject and in 1976 itself It was transferred to the concurrent list So that will it be possible to take it back here because every change in the education system is being forced in Nowadays, we are not even given a breathing gap Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, even in America a capitalist country Education is in the state list. We want that education will be brought back to the state list. Thank you Will it be revoked? Well, I don't know we'll look into it, but I think you see if you are trying to make education an ideological weapon Like the RSS and the BJP is doing Then you will behave completely differently if you are trying to make education a weapon of empowerment Then you will make you will behave differently. We believe that education is a weapon of empowerment for our people and I think the idea of centralizing Everything whether in the state or in Delhi is a bad idea and however we do it I think decentralization of education and Making education accessible to all corners of our country is something important and fundamental We are speaking to everybody here, but nobody there I Am very happy to interact with you. My question is what is your vision for education? That is I mean the Congress Party's vision. What is your vision? Thank you. Thank you. So Yeah, so I think as I said earlier decentralization India is a union of states Each state has a slightly different vision on how it wants to educate its youngsters But it is my belief That the teacher has to be a central pillar of education I do not believe that you can simply give a child a computer Without the teacher and expect him to learn. I don't believe And I will tell you why Because there are three components to education The first component is information Information you can get from the computer Information you can get from Google The second component is knowledge knowledge requires a Teacher And the final goal of a Education is wisdom and wisdom cannot be given to a human by a computer It can only be given to a human being by another human being so I believe that The goal of education is not just collecting of information it is taking that information and Distilling it into Knowledge and then into wisdom I feel that our students have to be Global students, but also local students. So there must not be carried away by Purely global ideas and they must not be attached only to local ideas So the student needs to be able to go from local to global and back So there is a requirement for us to be open to the rest of the world there is a requirement of Openness, but there is also a requirement for us never to forget Where we come from who we are what our history is what our tradition is So it is a balance. It is a balance between Technology and the teacher it is a balance between Outside India and inside India it is a balance between India and Tamil Nadu So I don't believe in Forcing anybody any idea down someone's throat. I believe that youngsters and teachers are wise and they should be allowed to give free ideas to the children they teach and I think that you have a Central role in building the nation I am Not happy with for example the Amount of money our teachers are paid for the hard work they do. I think they're paid too little in this country. I'm not happy That our teachers are not given I I hear every day. I ask somebody What do you want to become? He says I want to be a engineer or I want to be a doctor He should also say I want to be a teacher It should be a profession that Gives you renumeration. It should be a profession that people Admire want to be part of so that would be broadly our vision for Education. Thank you, sir. My personal request my grandson want to take I'll take him for a walk. What is your name? I Thank you, thank you Mr. Rahul we want to thank you because Teachers are central to education great. We are the Professors teachers the hats up to mr. Rahul. We are the center of education. Great. Thank you. Next question is There are two centers the teacher and the student and The communication between the teacher and the student and the rest of society is what we call education Dr. Shebana, Dr. Shebana, send me to college. Dr. Shebana, please please be brief. She's there. She's there. Please come Hello, Rahulji. Good morning to you. I am a surveyed sister, Rahulji. I say So, I'm so thankful for giving me this opportunity to interact with you We appreciate your hard work and commuter service rendering for the downtrodden people especially more Your quality real estate quality is an inspiration for us. Please be brief. My question is based on Indian education system Many foreign countries so make education very interesting by implementing knowledge practically What are the changes need to be brought in our Indian education system? Can you give your suggestion? I think First of all Freedom to the teacher Freedom to the teacher to be flexible freedom to the teacher to express What they want to teach flexibility? I think in each one of you There is creativity All teachers all good teachers are creative people, but I think you do not have the flexibility to Utilize that creativity. So I think the first first thing is to allow some freedom to our teachers second thing is Allow some freedom to the student if the student is asking a question Make him feel comfortable. I whenever I meet students. I say to them. There is nothing known as a stupid question All questions are good because they further knowledge. So giving the student also that confidence That he can ask a question that he does not have to he or she does not have to conform To some idea that they can challenge idea. So I think that would go a long way also The government itself Has to be confident enough to allow different ideas To propagate a government that is trying to crush ideas that is frightening people That is locking up people that will never create a creative So that would be my answer For the policy says Raja quickly your question. Can you give it? Can I ask you a question? So you're a teacher You are looking to be creative in your classroom Can you tell me one? creative thing that you would like to do but Are not allowed to do or would not be able to do is to learn by themselves So making them to Self-knowledge and ask them to discuss among the students what they have so what their own word originality So I won't kill with their skill. So let them speak in the class afterwards. I will start my class. Exactly So that type of flexibility needs to be given For policy Please Quickly For the please be brief father quickly father quickly Thank you, Raviji for interacting with us. Yeah You are proposing a lot of ideas very good. We appreciate that You also mentioned a few minutes ago that when your government or when you are coordinate Coalition government comes in you can implement all this But is it a utopian idea? Because at the moment we find the present government is a It is mulesh obstinacy in everything. They are taking away everything Tomorrow if the whole person whole poor people die, they don't care So do you think it is possible to convert this government and Implement the good ideas. We are proposing what message are you giving to us if educators if I didn't think that I wouldn't come here and speak to you The fact that I'm sitting here and I'm coming and speaking to you means That it can be done and the second signal that I'm giving is That not only can it be done But it can be done by you and us together so I am I am trying to put across to you that you are powerful in this equation that you are Valuable in this equation now of course We have to dream big Dreams have to be big Right, maybe everything in that dream will not be a reality, but 60 70 percent 80 percent will be a reality So I think I think we it is our duty to think big and yes, we are fighting a formidable enemy We are fighting an enemy that is dominating The money in this country. We are fighting an enemy that is crushing its opponents But we have done this before and we have defeated a much bigger enemy than this new enemy that has come if you recall 70 years ago this country was ruled by the British much more powerful than Narendra Modi will ever be Right who is Narendra Modi in comparison to the British Empire? nobody and The people of this country sent the British Empire back Same way Same way we will send Narendra Modi back to Nagpur and by the way, I want to make one more point We will do it Without any hatred Without any anger without any violence They can do whatever violence they want on us They can abuse us. They can kick us. They can spit on our face. It does not matter We will not abuse them. We will not kick them. We will not spit back Thank you. Thank you for the great hope that we are getting from Mr. Rahul. Kalpana ma'am. Kalpana ma'am quickly Quickly Kalpana ma'am. Kalpana ma'am. Abhiyah Chalaya. Dr. Abhiyah Chalaya. Yeah, please Very nice to see you sir here. I'm Dr. Abhiyah from St. John's College, Palayankodai I I thought you were going to say you're in the movies Thank you, sir for the compliment And they have this compliment this apt for you, sir I'm here to ask a small opinion about the financial autonomy that is prevailing in this new education policy What is the opinion of Congress about the financial autonomy that is given to higher education institutions? Because 52 universities have been given already and 8 autonomous colleges have been given financial autonomy and Government is telling that they will pay 70 percentage of money for the staffs and the 30 percentage should be raised by the institutions If that condition is continuing then all higher education institutions will become a commercial Institution and they will load the pay and they will load the pay to the students and students will be paying a lot This will lead the students of a high High high homes that put that that can yearn a lot parents who have yearn a lot can Make this to make their children to go and study the higher education institutions and the menial society may not have the Chance to get the education. What is the view of this for the Congress? I personally Do not believe That education is a financial commodity. I just do not believe it. I do not believe that you should be able to buy An education. I believe that education should be available to everybody rich poor man woman and it is the duty of a nation To give education and healthcare to its people What is happening today is? Everything in this country is being seen as a financial commodity Agriculture is being seen as a financial commodity Education is being seen as a financial commodity Healthcare is being seen as a financial commodity basically If you have money You can get anything you want if you don't have money you can get nothing This is where India is heading and I am fundamentally against this There are there is a role. There is a place for business absolutely But business cannot dominate Education business cannot dominate healthcare because then poor people will not have access to Thank you education has to be completely free the fundamental right Well, no, I wouldn't I wouldn't say it has to be completely free Yes, if private players want to participate in education and they want to charge people for an education They are welcome to do it But there should be a large part of the the education system that should be Free that should be easily accessible and should be high quality Remember one thing which nobody says The IIT is not a private institution The best institution in the country is a government institution No, no institution is able to match the higher education IIT gives you and it's a government institution so Access is the is the key If certain businesses want to have their institutions which charge a lot of money, that's fine. Let them do that But make sure that the government is doing its job and giving quality education To our poor people and to everybody who wants it for free. Thank you for the great response Professors teachers, we wrote up time actually very exceeding the time allotted to us last question by professor alloy sensivist college Professor Roy sensivist college Yeah Please please So very good morning. I am dr. Loisius from please be brief please And today centralization Corporatization have become catchy words of 21st century while centralization and corporatization Become a significant not only in Indian scenario, but also global scenario and But the problem is we cannot be able to maintain excellence access and equity this has to be maintained Now my question is what's your view on achieving both? Excellence and access in this context of centralization and the corporate decision. Thank you in my view What was the what are the first two words you use access and access in excellence in my view? Access and excellence at scale are Impossible to achieve with centralization and corporatization. It is not possible You might be able to have an institution That is a very good institution maybe in a New Delhi If you are running a centralized system, but it will be a tiny system tiny Institution if you want excellence Across the country you want access across the country the government has to play a role Large amount of money public money has to go into it and we have to pay our teachers We have to support our institutions financial are the budget for education has to rise significantly We are more than happy The government of India is more than happy to give 150,000 crores To five or seven business people during corona 150,000 crores To five or six people why are they not ready to put that money into the education system for our poor people? So yeah, we can do that. How do we do that? Many of you won't have selfie with the So but how to control that that you have a camera So you do it like this and we have a selfie here From back. Yeah, I came for volunteering this program, but I not But I not need to miss this opportunity To register my one second. One second. Dr. Jennifer, you know one second. Yeah, you see what happened to your mic just now You know what happened to your mic this happens to my mic in Parliament every day. Oh, I Open my mouth and the mic is off. So I understand exactly how you feel One last Yeah, I need to As a student professor in the mechanical department. I am okay. I need to register the problem Issues and pain of the professor community There are 56,000 Institutions are there as per all India survey of higher education So if we consider 100 faculty per institution, there are 56,000,000 Professors alone all over India On accounting the teachers of elementary school and high secondary school There are 1.5 percentage of the total population are educators these 1.5 percentage of educators are influencing the 100 percentage anger generation of India please be to educate Enlightened and to empower but we do have problem that The basic two problem is before quoting the problem. I need to say that only 10 percentage of the educational institutions are Central and state and state aided so 90 percent of the institutions are private both that Faculties are suffering from down payment and sorry under payment and delayed payment So please be exactly is also witnessing that the delay for two months three months also in salary delay That is a major problem and on corona pandemic time. There was a heavy salary cut off for the faculties And still I know there are some institutions not paying now The faculty and the faculty are doing their service continuously and The last one thing is we the thing is the younger generation afraid of choosing the Profession as Because they are afraid of choosing this profession this profession could not able to secure their life We could able to just see that from the rate of higher education Not taking the benchmark of the previous year But they take the benchmark of the that plus two passing out students and higher education restricting students That is a thing and I Regist I need to give two suggestions to make a major reform that we need to have a centralized community community to monitor that that the salary has to Flow not directly from the management to the what faculty it has to flow from the management and Government and to the faculty so which will be ensured the staff students ratio staff I have to interrupt you because I'm getting very late now. So please Quickly conclude. Yeah, so thank you. Thank you Suggesting is that the biometric system should be adapted in every institution and that should be a monitoring company Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. May I request for the rector to take G to the stage last word. I just finished All of us will be given momentum when you leave the place there will be momentum for all of us Please take your momentous when they go it will be given the gates Please be seated. Please be seated This is a parting parting message from mr. Abu. Thank you very much For coming here this morning I understand that Sunday is normally your off day. So, thank you for giving me two or three hours of Your valuable time on your off day. It's an honor and a pleasure for me to come and talk to you You are as I said one of the central pillars of our education system and we need to empower you strengthen you and Make you comfortable so that you can impart Knowledge and wisdom to our students. You're doing a tremendous job for this country every single day When you come into your classroom, you must remember that you are helping strengthen this country So I would like to thank you very much and give you all my best wishes Namaskar. Jay him as we as we are leaving I would like to just present my latest work on national education policy environmental impact assessment and Agriculture acts what they say and what is our view from the people's perspective? I may request Agulchi to take all these arguments in the parliament The our voices should be raised in the parliament for the welfare of the poor. That is what it is So I have a pleasure of presenting with this copy. Thank you. I invite Lucy ma'am to propose a word of thanks