 It's like lazy part of the the accident. It's just like do I have to pronounce that tea it's like yeah It's so annoying. I don't want it. You're metal. Go life. No. Too late for you. Help me. All right, life. Now go pubic. Don't put your pubes in public. Publical. Oh wait, that's not the right name. Eww. What did I catch up for? Streamlabs and 159 I think is it? Doing the Squid Game once. Jodiful. I remember. I remember Squid Game. Did you hear that there was a Squid Game token? Yeah, that went up and then crashed to zero dollars. Yeah, Squid Coin. Yeah, they did a Squid Coin. Like even their their website was like oh we gotta do weird games at some point and then they people weren't able to retrieve their their money. That sounds like a great for a currency, you know, just like a little cephalopod. Yeah, basically they couldn't get their shit back and whoever did it just bailed. I think it was legit for like in 10 minutes it went from high up to zero or something. Yeah, straight to zero. It's a funny graph to look at. We got Pelosi. Hey, it's gonna make a comeback. Hold on to that thing, man. Okay. It's gonna make a comeback. It'll be back soon. I hate the one we're just looking at some plushie pictures and then we'll start answering them questionary notes. Like some people have the plushie ready to watch EFAP, can you believe it? Oh, wow, look at him up there. Watchful Guardian. Yeah. Hell yeah. A dark knight. Laura, I guess he's not really that dark, is he? No, he's really not. He looks kind of happy. There's a rare adventure from Rags hanging out with a cat. Location there kind of bugs me, but yeah, we get along. Location? On a table? Location? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. I was gonna say cats don't belong on tables. I agree, Rags. It's true. They belong outside. Oh my god. No, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. We're just, we're having fun. He is Rags hanging out on a laptop. Oh, wow. Nice and warm. Mm-hmm. Here's Rags hanging out on a tower. Oh, wow. Look at me up there. That's where mine is. Mine's on my tower. Oh, I'm on my tower. Not on. My tower's below, so I wouldn't want to put you on that. Damn it's gone. Rags, how many laptops are you hanging out with these days? I don't know. Oh, can I say? I love laptops. They're like PCs all the go. They kind of are. And it's just one of you being happy, you know, as you do. In general. I still sit down. Hanging out, being happy. It's just a happy world. We're just having a great time. And then it's you playing Fallout New Vegas. Hey, that's a good game. Mm-hmm. Nice. That's a fun game. We have fun. Wait, we have fun around here. Post-apart clips. My god. Is this yet another laptop? Oh, it is. Yeah. I'm on the bootans. My boot is pressing the bootans. I'm smooshing the bootans with my boot. Just watch out for your foot. My foot. My porters. Check it out. You're in the hole of fame. Well, look at all the stuff they got. They got the little shepherd helmet. They got some warframe. And shaggy and Scooby. Battleborn. That, that, that happened. I played that for a little bit. What is that? That is a framed Battleborn. Is it autographed? Autographed. Do you just say that? It looks like there's an autograph in the middle. It's autographed on it. Underneath the A. Oh, now you've retreated back to the correct way. Randy Pitchford. Yeah. My god. Well, it's right there. We have, we are. Oh man. I'm sorry about what happened to Battleborn. Rags, you'll love this image. Dev signature on your thing. It's a Krimbis. It's a Krimbis. Krimbis. Wait, wait, wait. You already have your Krimbis tree up? Some people just want to jump to it, which I don't, I don't blame them. Like, I mean, it's not as bad as it is some people. There were some people close to me who had their lights up like November 1st. Bam. Lights up outside and everything. Oh man. See, Rags got bored of the laptops. Now he's hanging out in like a sound studio. Oh. I'm about to drop some sick inwards. Spit some, oh no. What? Yeah, I'll continue your thought. I was spitting some mad fire. Mad fire? Why, yeah. Drop some, some crazy beats about these. Plenty of space for some more plushie friends, I think. There's plenty of space. You should dust the top of that. I can get, I'm going to get dusty, but if you don't dust that shelf and no one, no one, no one likes a dusty butt. No. The plushies, they are everywhere. So that's a fluffy carpet. There's also fluffiness to these images, you know. There's a lot of fluff to a lot of these. Flora. That's a good looking one. Oh, look at that. Alien way tower. Oh. The guy's just bouncing on there. I know, I've seen that case before. No. All right, this will be a favorite. No boy. Ah, nice. Look out, he's going to be gone. He's just cleaning up. Just making sure things are okay in here. No worry about me. PK-380. Those fire nukes are just the bullet kind. Fine nukes. The bullet kind, they shoot 380. Blame. A little bit under a nine millimeter. So many plushies. And look at this, taking care of people while they watch movies and stuff. Nice. Friendly neighborhood rags. That's right, your leopard skin blanket. I think if anything, these images are proven that you work with every surface and area. I do work with every surface area. Yeah, I'm pretty keen on most surfaces. There's not many surfaces. Just photogenic, you know. Always ready to have a good pic, you know. You just woke up and they're like, image not yet? Yeah, sure. Look at you go. I'm enjoying these. And it seems that some people have been having their long men arrive. Oh, it's great. It's bookier plushie. Did not arrive until like closer to Christmas, but that's fair and fine because I am also compatible with Christmas. Damn. A spooky Christmas. But yeah, not many have arrived yet, but I'm sure they'll pop in with notifications. And I like I said, I'll try and keep up with these. Thanks for sharing them, folks. And I was gonna say, I just spotted some memes. A figure will just jump into a few of them before I don't get this one. I saw it. Someone shared it. And I was like, is is the mean because 51423, that's that's the length of James Doctor Who video, I think, right? I think so. Yeah. Oh, I'm not sure. And I said, boy, I sure do love not working on TFA part four. Is the joke that I am or I have no idea. But I still like me hanging out my long arms. Yeah, I don't I don't know who those people are. I think I vaguely recognize the purple one. I think I've seen that avatar on Twitter. Not sure. But we were told this was being made and it now has been completed. Looking frustrated. I imagine the goo has been involved in some way. It was like my beak is being crushed. I would be upset. Like coming back now. Maybe this is after a big boss fight or something. Maybe. Yeah, who knows? As I said, my face pummeled in a few times, but I'm all right. We made it. We triumphed over evil. Now, this is what it means. It's like, how did this happen? You're like, well, it was ballin, the ballin. And we talked about we were talking about whales. They were like, was the whale buried in Moria? And the whale was ballin. This is what happens when you talk for a while and different things are said. You end up with that was the whale stuff. Yeah. There's a lot of whale stuff. I like that ballin whale. He's having a great time. This is just pitch. It just makes me happy. No one shades that he's wearing or earphones. I think they're shades or shades. Because the eyes are on the side of his face. Them as both though. I can see it as both like interchangeably. Quite like this as well. I don't know how it would be used. But it's funny. Is there even a name for this art style or this type? You know, like Funko kind of do the same thing where they simplify all the features into like all circles and stuff. I'm not sure. You could say it's kind of, I don't know. I'm not sure actually. It looks a little like a zero punctuation. Yeah, I suppose. I saw this posted though. I was thinking Chibi, but I think Chibi, the main thing is just big head. I'm not sure that I could be wrong though. Yeah, maybe. I'm sure a Chibi expert in chat will set you straight. Yeah, of course. Oh, he's rememberably a Mihai, Cheeks and Mihai actually. He did die recently, unfortunately. He would have been an expert on these topics. Yeah. Postals are subreddit. I didn't even, no idea. Oh, wow. Look at these. Finally looking at memes that are relevant for once. No, no, I have to die. Marm. Oh, that's, that's funny. Marmah. I guess I should have ordered these a little bit differently, but Balin, the elder whale. Yeah, I remember that one. One of that beard. Oh yeah. And then there's one more plushie. Beautiful. Glad they're all delivering. I look a bit, I look like a Christ figure here, you know, laying down and stepped in my sacrifice of being in the bag. But now I'm free. Zack Snyder's Long Man. Yeah, that's that. Thank you all for uh, the boy and them and checking them out. It seems that it's really working out, other than obviously, I worry that there's probably going to be someone out there who doesn't end up getting this for whatever reason, which would suck, but uh, because there's just so many, but I'm hoping that we end up okay in that regard. Um. Hmm. Again, the game is not hooking. Why? Well, that's I- What are you, are you playing Mario Party? No, uh, well, I mean, it wouldn't make a difference usually anyway. Uh, I was going to go for hit and run again. It's my, my brain dead game, you know. Oh, you did? There are many of those. Yeah. I heard it's good. Prove it. Yes, I know that one guy who played like 17,000 times. Who there? Like a million hours of footage online. Who there? I don't remember. Some long person, kind of disgusting, smelly. Oh, well I wouldn't know because I, I don't even, I don't deal with that, but um, yeah, I guess the plan is it's going to be, we do streamlabs first, then we do the squid game ones, and then we try and catch up with whatever comes in today. We will go for as long as we, I think the new thing is just, we're going to try and get to 10k woods everybody. So it doesn't, we don't blow any fuses as they say. There you go. Now it's working. No idea why. Oh, no fuses. Okay. Anyway, first the streamlabs ones. Um, I used to, I used to be not donate and use ad block. I realized that made me like Hassan. Here are some nuggie money as an apology. I'm actually, I don't hold it against people if they use ad block. Um, it can be intrusive. Yeah. I don't, uh, I don't begrudge people for doing it. I understand. Okay. As for, uh, you know, the whole idea of like, oh, I'm watching and I haven't even supported this. Like, I mean, being a viewer is a form of it. I wouldn't want to try and say like anybody who hasn't donated isn't supporting the show. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Most people. Commenting. Having an interaction of any kind. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's all chill. We ain't the kinds of, I mean, I'm assuming you guys know because it's just gets like complained about in switch sort of people all the time, but like, uh, dark side Phil, you like, you like plays up the whole, um, we're going to be doing a big Halloween special marathon of these games as long as you donate $150 by the end of the night. And like, he got to like a hundred or something. He was like, well, guys, it's a big shame, but I guess we won't be doing it. Come on, dude. Just fucking play. You gotta pay for me to do it. Do you think you suck at discussing good movies, especially compared to garbage movies? At least live? No. Nope. I don't think so. I don't think so. This was sent on the 23rd of October. Um, had we done because we'd the squid game and train to Busan streams were around then, right? Yeah. And we had all of our as well. So that's, that's weird. The simplest way to go, I genuinely never have, but I know I'd be remiss not to mention the fact that that seems to be a commonality with, with movie analyst people. Like, oh, it's so much easier to tear something down. I'm always like, I don't know. It's the same process for me. I think it's easier to recognize when things don't work than when they do. I think they just stay I think more. I think so too. You think that's just because it's much easier to recognize when things are out of phase with continuity because we experience continuity constantly. Yeah, I think Yeah. Just pop. They just stand out more prominently. You notice it more like even so when something is really working and all of the parts are functioning and all the gears are turning, sometimes you don't even like notice because it's just working. But when things just go wrong, it instantly stands out and your mind goes, wait a second, that's not right. Instead of just kind of going along with it because that's the way things should be. Yeah. In a sense, oh, you know, this needs more volume. The sort of recognition that something is out of phase, say for example, just, you know, someone's shoes change color between scenes. That's the same level of like we don't give a fuck as would be with someone who maintains the same shoe color throughout the whole film. We'd be like, okay, that's great, I guess. But you wouldn't even think but in that scenario, right, like you wouldn't even think to point out that their shoes are the same color. Meanwhile, you would if Yeah, of course their shoes are the same. They're wearing the shoes, same shoes between scenes. Yeah, it's almost like there's a higher threshold for continuity to be rewarded. It has to be more complex. I think that we, and probably for good reason, to a degree at least, we kind of just, oh yeah, of course. We don't certainly take it for granted. It's a similar thing, but not exactly, you know. It could be explained by the fact that you get a base amount. You have to like, fuck it. So like, say for example, just two people in a room talking to each other, like, everything's running on reality being recorded. So you're like, you already have a baseline to work with, like a frame, like everything, our world is doing a lot of the work for you. All you have to do is record it. But if you're really fucking incompetent, you can make it have a lack of continuity by smooching like scenes together or having people say things that are incongruent what they've said before. So I wonder if that's why? Because like, set up a camera and hit and record, for example, on something dramatic that's happening and then you sell that as a movie. It's like you didn't actually a lot of what comes into it wasn't it? That's why I think we're more celebratory of like sci-fi and fantasy where you have a whole world to build and scratch as opposed to recording. That's a lot of extra work that you need to do. Yeah. You can't just rely on the world as it is right now. Yeah. Because if you did a lore show and you've nailed the world building, it's like, that's good, good. But if you nailed the world building and the rings, it's like, wow. Yeah. I think an example might be even maybe you'll even get this smaller, but whenever people are driving and they get like four red lights in a row, they get frustrated and like, oh, I can't believe they got four red lights in a row. Geez, I have places to be. I do terrible luck. But when they get four green lights in a row, they don't even remember it. They just carry on. They never go. Oh, I think, I think it is just a matter of humans are maybe just more negatively minded in general as well. I think, I think, I think an awareness of things that are wrong is we're just more aware of things when they're wrong rather than when they're right. Because when they're right, that's fine. And there's nothing to worry about. But when things are wrong, it's like, all right, this is something that needs fixing or like, oh, I just don't like that it's wrong. Yeah. Well, I guess to draw it back, though, yeah, we don't, we don't really have trouble with the praise and stuff. Yeah, we usually, the format would just be they've nailed something that wasn't the easiest thing to nail. And then it goes by degrees. Here's why. Now, personally, I kind of more enjoy watching like the middling in bad movies. That's just, I don't know. It's like, I really enjoy that sometimes more than watching really good movies. Really? Um, sometimes. Yeah. I legit. Can you give me movie examples for each of those categories? Van Helsing versus I Am Mother. Or not. No. It's like in terms of just like enjoyment, they're like two different things too. Because one, like I Am Mother is really, really good. But it just wasn't my thing. Well, is it? Yeah, that sounds like that could be the equivalent for Van Helsing, right? To be specific, I mean, there's probably be movie or crazy movies out there that still aren't your thing that are on Van Helsing's level. Maybe. Yeah, probably. Yeah, what do I do? The idea would be that them being mediocre or bad has nothing to do with it. Yeah, like what about Van Helsing versus the father, for example? So then we're rating our enjoyment of it. It's weird because there's just two different kinds of enjoyment. To be fair, you brought it up. I don't have all the answers, but that's the answer that I have for that one. You found it easy to compare I Am Mother with Van Helsing? Yeah. I think they're both trying to do very different things. Hell yeah. Yeah, fucking. Yeah, like they're very different films. Every different year. I just, I don't know that it feels like you don't really make it a point. I'm not sure. I don't know. Like a point about it sounds like it's more just about enjoyment of specific films. Cause like, I don't know. I don't know that I never get value out of watching films that are mediocre or bad more so than films that are really good. Lord of the Rings versus Van Helsing, what about that? I like Lord of the Rings more. Interesting. I, because when you said you would kind of enjoy watching the bad more than what I assumed the category was for good. It's just like if I come across. There's a lot of like enjoyment that I get from watching a movie that's very like a mixed bag and seeing the contrast of all those elements or seeing movies that just try strange things that don't necessarily work and sort of watching that unfold. Here's an aspect of that that really appeals to me. Yeah, no, it makes sense. I, I understand that I get the appeal as well. I just, if the offer is on the table that I could have watched something that is just a piece of machinery that's all working in its components to create something that I think is great. But I'll take that every time. I'd rather, yeah. It never changes my like appreciation of the really, really good stuff or anything. There's a strange appeal that those kinds of movies have that just almost fascinate me in the way especially when you take a lot of the meta stuff into account. How could they have done this? How did they do that? What was the process behind that? Yeah, I guess I would say like that goes even higher for me with like movies with more and more and more variables. So like B-movie fantasy can be like a great source of just holy shit, look at the things they've tried to do and being able to tell like, is that, is that sellotape? And you're like, that painted sellotape with laces? Are they trying to make it look like a monster? Like, funny, but... It's certainly certainly very interesting when you have, like if you are a a movie reviewer and you want to test yourself those kinds of five out of ten movies were for every good thing there's a bad thing and being able to hit all the, you know, identify them. Which are the bad? Which are the good? What are they going for? How did they fail? Those kinds of things? I think there's a lot of... That would be a good one because there's so much to talk about with the Suicide Squad. Yeah, and even, even stuff like like here's like a Van Helsing or League of Extraordinary Gentlemen where there are some good things in there. Not, it's almost like you're training yourself not to let maybe the quality of the movie get in the way shadowing the good things so you don't just throw it all out. But being paying attention and actually identifying the parts that are good and do work. Well, so now I'm thinking about something because you're talking about media, like the value in mediocre films. I, do you think like, do you think you could get that much to talk about out of something like Iron Man 2 or is it a specific type of like, you know, mediocre to bad movie that we're talking about here? I don't know. It's just sort of a thought that came to my head. Like I would, because it's such a huge, because the difference between Iron Man 2 versus a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. It's, they're just so they, now I haven't seen Iron Man 2 in a long time, granted. But I'd rather watch really standard superhero movie that's not very good. Yeah, it's really normal. Yeah. Um, because I, because I don't have much memories of it. I just, it's just like, I've seen it. I watched it for, yeah. It's, it's a really forgettable movie. It's a, it definitely slots into mediocre, but not in the same way as League of Extraordinary Gentlemen where it's like this bizarre mish-mash of ideas. It's just a very standard, safe movie. There are some movies that end up being a 5 out of 10 because they're just plain oatmeal that's lukewarm on a cap. Yeah. And then some movies are 5s out of 10s because they are incredibly delicious with a nasty topping. You know, they, they just sort of, yeah. It's the, because the, because the number that we generally give for quality, as flawed as it is, it's very helpful, but it tends to be a mean estimation of quality. Yes. I still think that review scores themselves are like not the valuable metric. I feel like I was just the closest to being helpful to people when you understand it. Yeah. I guess as long as you're aware of the fact that, like Reg said, it is kind of a mean, it's, it's trying to weigh up all the pros and the cons. Yeah. It's different than even still when they were just giving different scores based on different reviewers and their own little things. And I bet they like, that's worthless. When IGN gives something a 6 out of 10, you're just like, well, that doesn't mean anything worthless at all. Other than, you know, John Smith over there tells you, I like this one. So if you like things I like, typically, then you can gamble. Which of course is really funny, right? Because nobody, nobody knows who like reviews these games. Specifically, but people still hit, it's, I feel like it's a whole topic in and of itself, right? People relying on review scores from websites that don't know anything about and people that don't know, but they still think it's very authoritative. Well, let me, Battlefield 2042, that game's got an 80 from critics and 80 out of 10, or 80 out of 100, 80 out of 100, from critics and it has like a 2.6 from users. Yeah. I find it also interesting as well because of the fact that even the people I trust the most, like say for example, Red Letter Media or YMS or there's people who I'm always willing to hear their input. If someone said like, so if they like it, you know you're going to like it, right? I'd be like, no, okay, but you think it's likely you'll like it? And I'm like, no. No. And I don't even know that how many people actually have that with any particular reviewer. Like, I tend to like the things that they like. It's like, do you? Do you? There probably are people who like that though. Do they? Well, so I'm suggesting that they feel that way, but have they thought about it really? They don't actually. Because recently YMS put out his dude and review and he peed on it a little bit and you can tell from the rating that people were a little upset about that. And I wonder, because he reviewed that Squid Game and Eternals All in a Row and had significant criticism for a lot of them and I just, you know, it's gotta be is there any one person in his audience really that lines up on everything he said? I don't even want that to be the case. You know, they would be Yeah. I mean, that might have been every once in a while, but I don't know. I mean, it depends on how in depth you go. If it's just just mish-mashy, wishy-washy sorts of reviews, the Stuckman kinds of just useless, worthless reviews, then you could feel like, oh yeah, this lines up exactly with how I feel because of how ambiguous and how big yeah, is the film is exciting, but also poorly paced. You know, like, that sounds kind of like what I think, maybe. I don't know. Sort of just like Ambiguous is a very specific definition. I like it. You know, lots of people commenting on it. Um, you know, the big irony for me was that in Squid Game, he really didn't talk about a lot of Squid Game. He like, skips over enormous portions. Meanwhile, his fucking Eternals review, he talks for a while about the wheel building and how atrocious it is. And I was just like slowly smiling more and more when I was listening to it. I was like, how long is he spending on this? Because like, he must have actually really paid attention to, he was referencing like, so there's a big dude and his plan is to launch more big dudes, but the only way to do that is to have them be birthed out of planets, to set eggs. He's gonna need intelligent life. I have no idea why he needs intelligent life. And like he goes on with like half the video about how exactly all of that works. And I was just like, yeah, good stuff. It doesn't make any fucking sense at all. You think if you were the person who was making the rules, you wouldn't do something so stupid, you know? Well, I have since now everyone's forgiven instead of these long convoluted plans that make no sense. I've talked with more people about Eternals since we talked about it. That film, man. Yeah. Gonna age like, like donkey peen that's been cut off and sold to a dinosaur. Yeah. It's really bad. But uh, who cares? Everyone's already ready for next product. Well, yes. Spider-Man, Spiderman. Why are we talking about a ton of Spiderman's coming out? Like if we pulled chat, I'd be surprised if they voted for the full breakdown of Eternals over a breakdown of the trailer on Saturday for Spider-Man. I yeah, I would, I would be too if they act. I agree. The fact of that is like we're unsure shows how much people don't give a fuck about Eternals, I'd say. Yeah. We talk about the trailer even if it's only for five minutes, I'll take that over eleven hours of talking about Eternals. I'm just happy you don't make me watch that movie. I didn't make anybody watch it. Fringy just did it because he's nuts. So we'll uh, yeah, there will, that's the thing, MCU. It's okay if this one's mediocre slash bad slash terrible. The next one will be out in seven minutes. Oh yeah, like three months anyway. So yeah, what are you worried about? Eventually our worst movie came out. You know, it's years and years until the next one. I think at one point they wanted it to be the same production line where they'd be like, you didn't like this Star Wars? Well, there's another Star Wars look. It's coming. Oh, they wanted that. I absolutely wanted that, but it didn't, it didn't work. So the hype for Boba Fett is already cringe inducing, but uh, I remember Boba Fett. I'm just a simple man trying to make his room. I was clapping to you, but this one didn't pick it up. Shoot three people in his control of an entire thing. Did any of you guys watch the Boba Fett trailer? Yeah, I think I did, but I forgot everything about it. I was watching it with the guy's own real BBC as well. It's so funny, like the amount of normal things he says, but the music cues keep like doing big action things with it. It's just like, let's have a conversation. It's like, what? Like in Malignant, he's adopted and then the music goes, whoa. Yeah. Kind of. Because the soundtrack is unhappy that the audience might have fallen asleep. He's like, hey, wake up. Hey, I'm still here. I'm going to grab a drink real quick. I'll be right back. Freezer now. I have to grab it for freezes. Wait, say hi rags first, rags. That wasn't even close for them. Not even close. Hello rags, Mola and pals. Hello. Hello. This trope is based on a faulty feminist article about all the death of women in comics. That's why it's called Women in Refrigerators. They did not talk about the male characters. The same thing happens too in the article. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people, I think as a conclusion were like, so what do you have to say about fridging? I was like, I think we went over it. But just, I understand the idea in broad terms of character that's solely created to be killed and to motivate someone else. I don't know that I have a problem with that in isolation. It has to be about execution. Yeah. We have too many stories where we are told that that's a thing that happened about a person and they didn't even die on screen. Can you believe the disrespect? So yeah, I mean, I don't want to rehash anything we spent fucking hours going over so. Please rewatch that episode if you wish to know our opinions. Do it again. This just says Missed Eidolon. Oh yeah. Is that a sci-fi? Is that an animu? Is that a metal curry? Hey. You make curries now, right? That's the thing you're gonna do. I mean, I didn't make curries before. They're pretty good. So there you go. You made it sound like I was lying or something. They have two bounty hunter shows with nobody who does bounty hunting. Oh yeah. Pretty hilarious. Yeah, it's like episode one of Mandalorian season one. That's like the only time we really... That's the only time we have any bounty hunting and then we just give up. And it's just take the baby kid to a place and then we ran out of story. But where BobaFat did it? Normally too busy for weekday streams, but I made time for this one. Love seeing you guys play this trash. Oh, oh, this could have been regarding Little Hope's sequel. I forget it all the time. Spooky World, whatever. We got lots of complaints for complaining about the graphics in that game. Really? Well, then these people aren't saying. I was gonna say like, are we dealing with console players or something? What the fuck? Graphics are way better than what said that game. Well, I didn't get any on my channel because I have better people there. Piece of game. Pick up the flag. What are you doing? Come on. Bring it. There's no flag. You're playing Halo 2. I was... Oh, I see you gotta let me deliver it. Okay. Wow. That's very nice of you. Bring it. I don't have your gameplay on the screen. I can't show them what you're talking about. That's that's okay. I'll do my best. They can make it figure it out for themselves. Use that goddamn imagination. So angry. Ow. I would call abuse, but I mean. That's just fringy at using everybody. Um, would you ever consider selling action figures or statues? I'd like some merch, but I'm not interested in plushies. That'd be cool. I mean, I don't know if there is an equivalent to makeshift that do something like that, but for something like that, that'd be really neat. I would not be opposed to it. I like this more specific type of merchandising instead of like just slapping logos on t-shirts sort of thing. Because these plushies are wonderful. I mean, I like t-shirts. I like t-shirts. I just think you need to dedicate designs. Like put in, you know, you can you can make it work and be really cool. Yeah, I'm not against t-shirts. I said, I prefer this whole these specific sort of individual pieces of merchandise that are all like. Right. What is that? Shine Paul 101. Oh, drawn by Mega Hobbit. Shine Paul 101 idea drawn by Mega Hobbit. Firmly hold rags like burger. What? Firmly grasp it. Very nice. I enjoy being held like a burger and on each bun. Oh no, what if this knocks off the hooks dolphin again? Damn it. Well, it was worth it to show chef and chat that. Unhooks, that would be the correct nomenclature. I assume. The hooks. There are some unhookery happening. Do we just maybe it's on a timer? Can you deal with not seeing it for a little bit just to test it? Or I'll stop fiddling with it in like five minutes if it doesn't work. Okay, just enjoy the sultry sounds of Simpsons hit and run a little minute. Just wanted to say thanks. A few months ago, I was ready to end it all. And I'm going to kindly getting professional help in the last few weeks in I discovered eFap through your Batwoman coverage and I'm binging it nonstop. Love your content and high rags. Oh, hello there. Glad we were able to help and you're getting all things sorted out. And I'm really, really liking that it was Batwoman who was able to do some good for the world. Yeah. And yeah, Batwoman is delayed for now. There's a couple of problems in terms of its production, but it's, it will all come out. It's all saved. So, apologies for that. It's just I really do want Daspal shit sort of magic on it. But he's not full-time editing for eFap. He has one of them full-time eFap, sorry, full-time editing jobs elsewhere, which means we can only have access to his wonderful fingers at particular times. He has other friends. He didn't tell me about that. That piece of shit. I think there's probably a good reason why he didn't tell you. He was helping me the other day with some. I got, I got Sony Vegas 19 yesterday because I need, I need, because I'm on, I'm on 15 now. And it, there are things that I want to do coming up for videos that I can't do with 15 really. And I was looking to upgrade anyway. And for those who didn't know, someone, because I put out a little call for if anyone had discounts or places I could buy it or things like that, someone let me know that if you have registered on the website, like Magix or Sony or whatever the site for it, if you register a previous version of Vegas or whatever and you upgrade to the new current version, you get like half off. Oh, what is it? So it's 250 full price. I got it for 120. Okay. Because I'm, I'm, I kind of want to upgrade because I'm sitting on 14. I'm on 16 I think. Got it in a humble fund like years ago. Yeah. It was like three years when I got 15. Or yeah, 15. So that is, so that's advice for people out there. If you're looking for a cheap copy of the new version, because 19 came out like a couple of months ago, something like that. It's really new. So it's, it's, I'll be, that'll be probably what I do later tonight or whatnot. If I'm not busy, a couple of friends and I, we recently got into a couple multiplayer games. We started playing Back for Blood, which we enjoyed quite a bit. And we started playing Deep Rock Galactic. In that game, guys is, the game is awesome. That game is amazing. I played it on the street more than ever recently. It's good. Yeah. I cannot recommend enough that everyone just find friends, pull them off the street. I don't care. People don't have friends. Then alternatives exist. Matchmake or get people off the street or hire people to play with you and pretend to be your friend. Get that game. And that game is stellar. I love Deep Rock Galactic. It is so good. Highly recommend. And I do, I legit recommend Back for Blood as well. We have a lot of time playing those games. Yeah. I'm surprised by that. No, we played on stream and we had a horrible time because of the difficulty. Oh yeah. So there's, so yeah. That's the answer. There's currently a glitch that Total Rock Studios has addressed and they're aware of that there's a glitch that makes like the math essentially not work correctly and it overspons the specials on normal and hard difficulty. That happened to us so many times that we actually changed over to Deep Rock Galactic that night. Yeah. So we've played through easy a bit and we didn't have that many cards unlocked at the time. So it wasn't, it was still easy but we were just kind of having fun playing it. We are really looking forwards to them fixing the glitch so that we can try and get through the whole game on normal. Yeah. I would be willing to go back because I really like to call gameplay ahead of time. Yeah, I do. I love to go back and play. But the whole spam of specials, like there's like 10 specials all of a sudden is like undoable. And this is not like vermin tied to or left for dead where specials can be kind of fragile and you can one shot them and it's about, you know, looking out for them and dealing with them as they come. Specials are a little bit chunky in this game. But as far as this, like the guns work and the card system is kind of neat and nifty. The attachment stuff for the guns that you pick up as you go, being able to share ammo and some of the mechanics. I really like a lot of the stuff in this game. It isn't left for dead which maybe people were just wanting and didn't get. So they were upset about it maybe. I'm not sure. But if we really liked it. So I would definitely recommend Back for Blood. And it is on the Game Pass which I got. It is. Yeah. And as was as is many things super duper recommendations for Deep Rock Galactic. Absolutely. Recommendations for Back for Blood. I picked up Deep Rock Galactic like probably a year ago with a friend though. We just randomly saw it in a sale. It was like, oh, we need something to play for the weekend. We picked it up and then we told all of the other friends, go get it and play with us. And then we played it for a long time. And then we waited for like a new update to drop which they just got and it's pretty good. Pretty, pretty fantastic. It's a really big re-upgrade they put out there. Very impressive. Yeah, I had it in my inventory or my steam library. Apparently I got it years ago and I never played it. I didn't even know I had it. So. One of those games now. Yeah, it's one of those games. And man, we were just, we played it a crap load. We were loving it. We'll probably play it later tonight. It's just, it's blast. Yeah, it's great. You think you can escape this stream? I can. See you. Bye. I'm so glad you're enjoying the old eFab and content. If you found it, a few, it said the last few weeks. So you've probably got a few years left of the eFab stuff. So not bad. How's it? A little bit to go through for sure. Yeah. Sorry for laying this heavy stuff on you. I just wanted you to know that you are helping me get back on my feet. I'm just so grateful you ladded the best. Oh, that's nice. Oh, thank you. Hope you're doing well, Sam. Flash, ma'am. Would you ever consider selling action figures? Oh wait, I read that one, didn't I? How did that end up all? I think they sent it twice. Oh my goodness. Well, we are. We maybe, yeah, that's not out of the realm of possibility, perhaps. To be fair, look, everything happens in what's called long time here on eFab. If you guys remember, it's like the first half year of eFab that people will float in the idea of doing a plushie. And it's like, InRex got around to it after two and a half years. So, you know, everything arrives eventually. Yeah. My YouTube was currently crashing all the time. It's really annoying. Take the hint, Mel. Oh, man. Finally. Happy Halloween, you guys, also high rags. Hello. It was Halloween at one point. I remember Halloween. It was great. Well, we know that came from last year's Halloween. It's okay. We got to it. What do you think of Alien vs. Predator 3 as a game for the stream? Is that the 2010 one? I think that's a 2010 one, right? I think that's how they refer to it. And if so, I wouldn't mind doing the Marine campaign on the hardest difficulty because it's like a challenge mode. It's a bitch of a difficulty and I'm not a huge fan of it, but it could be something of a fun thing to try and do with people watching this stuff. I mean, I did just recommend, we do have those too. I mean, back for Blood and Deep Rock Galactic would be great for streams. Oh, yeah, like eFab gaming. I meant for like when I play little games on my own. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I don't like that. Evolution recently. I still haven't played any more of that. I have been up to my eye face in doing things. I need to play more video games, actually. Speaking of the movies, Jurassic World Convolution. Oh, speaking of fucking video games, by the way, fucking Doctor Who. I've been watching that with Jay, unfortunately. Well, I thought, yeah, I thought you liked Jay. It was the former part of the sentence that was the unfortunate part of it. Okay, okay. I can understand the confusion. I see. There was a bunch. There's like just awful, awful dialogue. It's like the first and foremost thing that frustrates me, even when nothing else makes sense. I'm just like, can they talk like people for fuck's sake? On some of the lines, Chibnall clearly thinks he's clever and like hip. And someone's playing some shooter game on a PS4. And did they say frag? No, one of the characters is like um, wait, what video game is this? And then the person turns to her and goes, nobody calls them video games. And I was like, what? Yeah, they totally do. Let's see. Las videos, wegos. I was just like, is that, did somebody tell him that that's the case? And he was like, oh, cool. I can come across as young. Computer spiel spielen. Nobody calls him that. Yeah, I don't recommend it so far. And I can't believe I'm halfway through the season already. It's a small one. But just to give it a quick summary for you guys so that you understand how awesome the story is. The time force has collided with the flux and thus the planet time is being disrupted and therefore space and time are at war. Obviously. I mean, I thought it, didn't I just explain it? I think it was pretty clear. Yeah. Okay, maybe I'm missing something. All right. Chat, this is like nitpicking, right? You guys get what I'm saying. Yeah, they're with me. Definitely. Space and time are at war. Yeah. And time is the evil one. So space takes forever to do something and time can't do anything. I don't know. Time can't move. What? What? It just don't even, I'm so confused. It takes forever to do anything. That's the, it's like, oh man, just so slow. Boring fight you've ever seen. Just standing there. I was like, ooh. B.A.J. was like, you know, like maybe there's going to be some level of context that means that these these episodes aren't as bad as they seem. I was just like, yes, of course. I can't wait for that one. At least with the third one, you can't actually like criticize it yet because so much bullshit happens that there's no point of reference, if that makes any sense. Like, how does this contradicts something? It's like, I don't even know. I don't even know what it is. But when Russell T. Davies comes back, I'm very curious how many people will tune in. And that's kind of cool in terms of, I know it's show runners, it's not quite the same thing. But the idea that more people will show up because of a writer, you know. That's good. Yeah. Potentially. I like the idea that people get more and more aware of how important writers are to things being. Yeah, yeah. That's what I think I mentioned on my stream before like even some of my friendos who watch like basically everything. Like couple of them are already like, I don't really want to watch this next movie. I don't care. And I was like, see out, see how it feels. And I didn't do anything. Like, this is not my fault. The apathy, it spreads. It's an infection. Yeah. Oh, but yeah, I'd be willing to play that game. Hi guys, just had an amazing Halloween night. Must have been 100 Kims. Kim's kids come into the house, ran out of candy, and had to borrow from the neighbors. House is already decorated to the nines. I feel like I've read this one before. That's really good. I don't think I've heard this. Maybe, maybe not. Well, it wouldn't matter. I'm glad though. Yeah, absolutely. Halloween fun. Thanks for the stream. Jeff shots. Oh, I guess that's the name of the person. Sorry. I thought they were saying like, you know, like shots, but Jeff. Jeff shots. I was like, what's a Jeff shot? Shots, but Jeff. Imagine shots, but Jeff shot. Somewhere about nine months ago, I shared that I started making a game that'll have EFAP cameos. Well, I have a team of 14 people working on the minimum viable project now. What? Oh boy. Oh boy. Wow. This 14 people. That's impressive. How did you convince 14 people? I'll update you all again once I'm seeking funding for the project. What in the world is this thing going to be? I can't imagine 14 people working together to make some game that relates to EFAP. That's just not something that lines up with what I think happens in world, but maybe I'm going to be surprised. Just saying. The one voice Mola can't do is Grace Randolph saying so. Yeah, I don't, I don't. Yes. So. He was really Harley Quinn-esque where I just wanted her to go away and stop taking up so much screen time and the video she was in. We still never actually watched her, apparently much worse review of Suicide Squad. We saw the Tamer one. You know what? I'm okay with that. That would be a punishing thing to watch. Maybe one day later. Definitely. Yeah. Maybe in another life. And I almost did a fucking Batman. They were landing my car on Lenny. Oh my God. That comes up every once in a while on real BBC. And I think I've chipped away it as a garrison point now where I could just make fun of Snyder's superman for killing children. No Superman's children. Who's superman? Stop, no. Man, they're babies. They haven't even had the chance to sit yet. It's kindergarten. Well, rags. Yeah, they had their fucking chance. Oh, no. Even the Christians think they're going straight to heaven. I remember the arguments where they were like, those embryos are part of the Kryptonian society where you have to end up doing one role. So who cares? It's like, wow. Christ, don't say that. They're beyond salvation. Let them die. Meanwhile, there's like, I don't know, a colony of whims that's almost extinct. I'm sure those same people will be like, we have to protect them. Which, by the way, I'm on board to protect them whims, but I'm also on board with protecting Kryptonian embryos. That's where I'm at with the list. W-O, wait. W-O-R-M-S or W-Y-R-M-S or W-U-R-M-S. The only way we should protect all of those whether or not they're running out of their species, unless they're really harmful. Yeah, that's, I think it, yeah, it might depend. Like sandworms or dragonworms or like the, like the magic of gathering worms. Tapeworms are typically not liked, right? Tapeworms are not great. We could do without those. I think so? We could keep a couple in like a zoo. We could have the tapeworm. Keep some in the zoo. It's like, you could just electroshock them because everyone fucking hates them. Just a torture chamber. Seems a little cruel, doesn't it? It's like, no. They deserve it. They're intrinsically. Fucking tapeworms, man. They can't be saved. When are they going to make Fast and the Furious versus Transformers? Think of the China Bucks. Yeah, I mean, you could probably joke about that, but I mean, have you heard Vin Diesel talk about Fast and Furious like it's meaningful as a franchise? Yeah, I think I did. Meaningful to him and his bank account. Well, that's, I guess that's what I'm saying. Like it feels like the rock would be much more honest about it. He'd like laugh while talking about how it's like, yeah, it's a fucking thing. Yeah, we had fun filming it and people liked it and they give enjoyment from it. And it's just great. I mean, it's not like high cinema, but it's fun and they have value and, you know, that sort of thing. Vin Diesel is like- Didn't you also- Go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, did you also say what's like a theater version of Fast and Furious or something? A theater version? Look, I think so. Oh, like a play? Yeah, a play. Oh my God. I agree with what everyone says about it. Is you need a crazy variable for each one now and people say they've been to space. They haven't been to space as far as I'm aware. They had a rocket car. We're going to drive to space. I think they went into space briefly, but like what we want is like a full space station with his car racing. Like that's whatever we want. And then like, you know, the climax is like driving in a full orbit around Earth until you crash and you know, like stuff like that. But then the next one could be dinosaurs. The next one could be alien. Well, I want the Fast and Furious historical like retelling of the space race with like mustangs and porches. Oh yeah, that'd be cool. As they go into, you know, high up above the space, yes. I think we should then do period pieces. It was Fast and the Furious, but in the Stone Age. This is a little kind of stone cars. Because these cars, like through crazy technology get ported back to the Stone Age and the cavemen are like, we got to race these fucking things. Do it and have Vin Diesel talk about how meaningful it is. Family. Family and also getting to the moon before the Russians. Do it cowards. The lore is surprisingly dense for 20 year franchise. Is that surprising? I mean, you make enough videos. I mean, it was just like the MCU's lore is dense. I don't know if I'd say that's a positive. You're right. Yeah. Because if someone, if you try to explain the power hierarchy of like different organizations in the MCU, it's legitimately taxing because this is other things and this guy. I mean, you don't even want to get to Kang at all. He was like, can we, maybe we don't talk about Kang. But that's it for the stream labs. So that moves us on to the EFAP Squid Game ones. So prepare for some Squid Game chat or everybody. What are you hearing? Comment to make. Wait a minute. Now I'm seeing green heads, but I'm not hearing anything. What's that about? Pat, you can hear what I'm hearing. What's going on? Wait, just me. It'd be funny as hell if they could hear you guys, but I can't. I don't want to. I think your internet's skipped a beat. You guys can hear me. Hang on. Let's see if I'll leave and come back. Oh, there's not in the chat post it. Hey, what's up? I can hear you now. I guess I used my incredible tech prowess to fix it. I did hacking. Hopefully that's not. Hopefully that's allowed. Did it work? Could you hear us now? Apparently. Yeah, I have no idea what happened. Cool. Very strange. One of them. Wait, chat was saying they could hear you guys. We can hear everyone. Great, really? That is weird as fuck if they could hear you, but I couldn't hear you. But whatever. Computers. Is it more annoying? That's going to be one of those mysteries that we will never figure out. I think I know the answer to this already, but I just want to say is it more annoying that things just break for no reason, but also what they fix for no reason? I guess you're just happy that it's fixed, I don't know. It's always great when it happens to me at work. Like something broke and I'm trying to debug it for like hours and suddenly it works again and you have to tell the customer what happens and it was like, I have no idea. I was looking at it and then it worked again. So have fun, go do your job. This Dolphin problem a couple of times is I just don't do anything and it fixes. It's like, well, thanks computer. But I fixed it. Wonderful. Anyway. So first one, the situations presented in Busan and Squid are also different. In a zombie apocalypse, people benefit from cooperation much more while in Squid, the games are designed to force people to backstab. Force people to backstab, that's interesting. Man, you're not forced. You get, there's, I guess it's more of an obvious benefit from it. Because nobody would refer to tug of war as a backstab, would they? Yeah, it's, there are definitely a lot more scenarios. I think in Squid game, where you would benefit from just saying, fuck other people, but in the zombie apocalypse, it is, it's almost always going to be just a good move to cooperate. Well, yeah, there's theory about, you know, how would Squid game have gone if every person there was 100% on board with cooperating? Nobody wanted to kill each other. Yeah. Well, then they would have probably just stopped the game then, right? Why? Well, when they all cooperate and nobody wants to kill anyone, they have to. Well, I assume that's a possibility in the game that they, I was going to say, this is the whole reason why I don't agree that they're forced to backstab each other. Just an option. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that we could have lost, you know, theoretically, right? We could have lost all the people from the stepping stones game. Yeah, fair enough. But that doesn't really involve backstabbing necessarily. We lost the people from Tug of War and you'll lose the people from the Squid game as the final game. If all these games remain the same, I don't know that they necessarily would, depending on the play account. But it seems to me from the images around the room, that they were always the intended games, which I think is not great writing. Makes me wonder about that. Let's just say the Honeycomb game kills way more people. Like, what happens to like the stepping stone game if there's only like four players left? Is it literally just three pains or something? And it was like, how do you plan for the mass panic in the first game? That's actually, did we talk about that? Like, I'm not a huge fan of that one. I felt like that was more for the audience than the players. Yeah, especially if you go through all of that trouble to get all these people and then half of them get wiped out at once. It's like, I'm like, dang, to clarify, we could have had a lot more cooler games. I know that someone will probably bring it up. It's like, yeah, for the audience, like the VIPs, I'm like, no, no, no. So it's too much of a risk. If you don't tell anybody death is involved, then you could end up losing like 90% of the players. They won't act like death is involved. Yeah. People act differently when death is involved. If you, if you had signed up, let's say, I don't know how it works in the fucking black market Squid Game TV show, but if you'd sign up for the whole thing and you're like, you watch them all get gunned down in the first round, you'd be like, um, I mean, it was entertaining, but I don't know. Now what happens? Yeah, I suppose, um, one could argue there's more coercion to backstab in Squid Game than there is in Train to Busan, especially because in zombie, yeah, because you want to cooperate. Generally, it's super cooperative here. I think the situations are different. Humans fighting over money to save themselves or family is way different motivation than staying alive during an apocalypse event. High rags. Hello. Yeah, I think the situation is different, too. Yeah, um, I'm not sure if I'm reading these like backwards as in like timeline wise. I think this is forwards, but I guess we'll find out with what gets talked about. I will flip them if we start, people start talking about the final episode, for example. Um, I saw him as if he wasn't willing to spend human life since each of the player deaths were converted into money. That might be the reason he went hobo. Oh, this is talking about the last episode. Yeah, I genuinely think there's plenty of reasons you can construct, especially after what he went through. But I don't know the, a lot of people didn't find it satisfying to watch. Seems to be the case. All right, I'm going to flip these because apparently we're doing it the reverse way by accident. I don't know how I did that, but there you go. All right, so now this is the first one. Hello. There's a good show. Love it. Banzai. Okay. Yeah, now these definitely feel like the right direction because now it says, oh boy, double the EFAP wonderous. Double the EFAP twice the, I don't know. Yeah, because Squid Game was a Wednesday EFAP, I think. Look at that. Yes it was. Can you believe it? I remember that because I couldn't stay around for the interesting part of the discussion. Did you even listen to it? No. Racism. See, that proves it. Matt was just only wanted to have a be about him. Yeah. Why we're going to kill you. Hey, I heard that. In like 20 years, come here a while. Oh, okay. You know, I wouldn't have been okay with it no matter what the timeline, but you know, it's fine that you are. This shows where you're at. Hey, just. Shoes us can't be beggars. Mola, you're bald. Different all the way around, by the way. What does that have to do with Squid Game though? If I did or did not have the hair on the head. Hello, gents. Squid Game was fun, but the bathroom scene was Tizm. Bathroom scene. Which? When they're doing the horizontal hockey poke. Yeah, I was going to say like, I was thinking of all the times there's a bathroom and then I was like the scenes in which there's a couple of them. To be fair, there's Tizm, I think, in the three I'm thinking of, but I figured they're talking about the one with the most Tizm in it. When they sneakily get the clue about the sugar, which I don't remember if we talked about it because I've just talked about Squid Game and those different streams and stuff, but the whole like the first thing they assume when they see them cooking stuff is that it's going to be a part of a game rather than their own food. Yeah, that's... That's strange a bit, okay. Hello, oh wait. Really enjoyed Squid Game. Now I'm looking forward to Narko's Mexico season three. Also, hi Rex. Hi there. I've heard good things about Narko's. You've seen a bit of that, right? I've seen the first two seasons of Narko's. Yeah, I liked it. Will you be watching Cézanne sleep? I think this season three of Narko's Mexico, so I'd have to watch three seasons. Oh, right, I see. Yeah. So glad y'all did Van Helsing. I unabashedly love that deeply stupid movie. There are some... On one. There's some good quotes in that movie. Like a really good writing quote. And the conco wrong with the penis snipper as well. The penis snipper was... I was rewatching us looking at it and I think they have him holding some cables. So I think the implication is that it's a cable cutter. But without... Like it just... It just comes across as a penis snipper. We all thought it was penis snipper. In the way she's like... Do you remember they were all walking together? He like slows down. She's just walking. She lifts it up and does a snip. This is like... And he looked at it. He's like, oh, not the penis snipper. No, no, no. My favorite stupid movie was D&D. That is one that we'll probably do an arc for. I'd imagine there's loads of D&D movies. But like there's some of the like... Several sequels to the famous one. Is that... I didn't know that they had sequels. Yeah. I just want to see Jeremy Irons again doing his silliness. Top notch silliness. Also, hello my NWIDS. Hope you're all doing good. Currently on EFAP25 with Lee and JFC. What's JFC meaning of? Just for consideration? I don't know. I don't know. Well, JFC, my brain... I'll be like, oh, of course. My brain is in autism. It could be just for consideration. It's probably something more streamlined than that. Chat, help us out. But I understand the lore behind the long man meme and it's tragic. I've been blessed by Jared's presence. Oh, well. There's a whole arc for that. Have fun. Really enjoyed... Snark. Yeah. More of a trajectory downwards, but... A rise and a fall. Really enjoyed Squid Game. Now I'm looking... Oh wait, sorry, I read that one. Oh wait, I keep... I was supposed to be going up, not down. That's my problem. Hello, gentle dudes. Only a few more days until the second best holiday. How exciting. Well, you know what? I'm glad I read that now, because I'll just assume. Yeah, I think you mean like a month and a couple of handful of days, but yeah. Yeah, no. Hi rags. Hello. I'm the dumb sod who stupidly sent spoilers for you. I wrongfully assumed you'd finish the show and then continued. I'm guessing they may have sent this twice because we missed it on this one. Wait, where's the rest of this? Um, I think this, yeah, this one I've heard. Think I've heard. The second half of this one to split in two is I'm very dumb. I'm really sorry if it ruined it for you. I don't know what I was thinking. It won't happen again. I ask forgiveness. Oh, you're forgiven. Hey fellas, look up Biden's corn pop and hairy leg stories. Also, Hail Moodle. Oh my goodness. I know about the hairy legs. When I've seen it animated, it's really funny. He said some strange things. I work a stressful job repairing aircraft. Aircraft. My God. I am a little bit tired, but I'm pretty sure I can push through the tickets. But aircraft was, yeah, equipped equipment, instruments. Thanks for getting me through a difficult day. High rags and crew. Hello. Repairing aircraft equipment. That sounds complicated. I was going to say interesting, but it sounds like it may not be. But maybe it's not interesting to somebody who does it a lot. That's probably the case. Yeah, maybe that's stuck with the face. Dogs lost two episodes regarding the subplots and the revelation of the old man completely undermines the emotional payoff of episode six. I find it so interesting. Everyone says completely undermines, as opposed to shaving off a particular angle, which would be that it was 100, like a sacrifice from the old man, because obviously it wouldn't be now with this additional context he kept himself alive. But everything Gihan felt was real. Yep. I don't know why everyone says it completely undermines it. Yeah, I don't get it. And then, of course, episode six, like we're talking in terms of praise, we got a big pie with like six slices, okay? And even if you believe it completely ruins that part of episode six, you got another bunch of slices to take advantage of. That was a weird thing, by the way. By the way, that's his Squid Game coverage of episode six. He didn't even mention the two girls. Which, for a lot of people, that's their favorite part. I think we found that in chat and a couple of people from the cast saying like, yeah, that was like the big part for them, feels-wise. Have any of you seen True Detective season one? If so, what do you think? Oh, nope. I have. I remember liking it a bit, but at this point I've completely memory-holded it. So we'll have to see it again. If not, all Fappers would enjoy it. Just don't go anywhere near season two. That's what I've heard. Oh, no. Apparently it goes poopy, but they don't- I don't think they share a continuity, so it's like a series of- It's like an anthology season, I think. Okay. Seasons, rather. What children's game is the Glass Bridge based on? So I meant to fucking clarify this, but I don't think I ever did. I don't know- It's over Islam, there. Did the creators of the game ever refer to the fact that they were all based on children's game? Or was it just people playing? I could have sworn it was either Sungwoo or Gihan that said it seems that they're based on children's games? Rather than- Yeah, that definitely happened. I don't know if any one of the- I don't know if they announced that they were all based on children's games. Maybe somebody in- Fapp might have the answer for that. Anyway, the other answer I have is that, funnily enough, I was like- I was familiar with it at least in a very form from Takeshi's Castle. The- it's cold stepping stones in that. I think like half of the stones- You have to run across a series of stones and several of them are fake, and so you have to hope you get the right ones, basically. And it's kind of like that. I wouldn't call that a children's game, I guess. But like it's, dare I say, childishly simple, but I don't know that that's what qualifies a children's game. I don't know, because I've seen a lot of people point out that that's like almost worthy of criticism that it's not a children's game. And I was just like, I don't know. I don't know, I guess nobody else has any commentary for that one. I don't know that I was just thinking about it. I don't know that it's a meaning- I don't know that- Yeah, I'm not sure what it changes. Well, yeah, because if one of the rounds, they have to square off and play chess with each other, I don't know what I would say about that. We're like, uh, guess the game. Yeah, I don't know who it would be, there's a game. Man, that would be intense for people who have no idea how to play chess, I guess. If you do an illegal move or whatever, you just get shot. Well, I would lose. You have me awkward, but I give you a chance to correct your mistake. I was actually gonna say, I don't even know why I know how to play chess, but I do. I can't remember if it's video games or my dad taught me or both. I don't know where I learned. I have just, I have no clue if that would be going so far back. It was probably, oh! I do remember, it was a, I had an old, oh no, I might be wrong. I know I had an old computer game on an old Mac of ours that was like chess wizards or something, where there was a wizard and he told you how to play chess and you could play the chess on the computer and all of the pieces were like animated and stuff, but I probably learned before then, honestly, like my parents or grandparents told me or I just, I don't know. Is it, is that the game? I wonder how many people don't know how to play chess, because in my mind, it's just like, I thought everybody did and then I realized like, no, why would I think everybody does? I think it's easy to assume that everybody would know how to play chess, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people don't. Yeah, because I guess if nobody ever taught you, why would you have learned it? Yeah. Or rather, why would, yeah, I don't know. Because swimming is one that I think it's safe to assume everyone knows how to do, but it's usually because, oh wow, yeah. It's usually because swimming is fun and something you do as a kid, just as a, it's good to know how to swim. In a lot of Western countries, learning how to swim is just something that will happen, because you'll have school trips, you've got private classes. There are certain, you know, public programs that help people learn how to swim, it seems like we really work hard to make sure that people, especially in Australia, that people know how to swim, but then you watch, there was a show here called Bondi Rescue. It's basically just about lifeguards saving people at Bondi Beach, which so many people visit and a lot of tourists and a lot of the people who get caught in rips and get themselves in trouble, don't know how to swim. Like they're visiting from another country and they don't know how to swim, but then they go out really far. And you always hear that and you're like, why the fuck, why, why would you do that? And why don't you know how to swim? But it's like, yeah, a lot of people don't know how to swim. Is it more troublesome than your average water or? Yeah, Bondi Beach is actually like kind of dangerous. They rips happen a lot and it's so busy as well, lots of people there. But I mean, it is a, it's not like a huge, there, there are much longer beaches elsewhere that are not as well patrolled. So, yeah. I remember learning about rips, but I can't remember anything about how they form. I do know. Wait, no, I want to double check that. I don't want to give you how advice that might, like, I think a rip hide forms when there is an area of the beach where the waves, because the waves that are coming back into the ocean are next to waves that are kind of coming onto the beach. And so it creates like a swirly kind of thing and it pulls water outwards really intensely, because it like gathers the water, something like that. But what I've been told to do in riptides is you just let it take you out. Don't try and let it kind of take you out a bit until you're out of the strong current. Don't try to fight against it or it'll just tire you out because it's the ocean and it'll win. Well, so I wanted to double check because this is, so from what I understand, it is swim parallel to the shore. That is what it goes through to escape. Then tread water and then call for help. Obviously, it's the first protocol. Trading water is, that's a, I remember to learn how to do that for like 10 minutes, maybe longer than that as a thing. And it's surprisingly difficult to just keep doing it. But then your other option is to just float on your back and then like a star. Yeah, if the water's coming up, right? Yeah, if the, I know, yeah, I know so if you're big, it's easier than if you're like skinny. If you're skinny, that's a lot harder to do. So what did Chad say? That it would be pretty ridiculous no matter the rationale to say everyone would know how to swim. So if you take any of the normal colloquial statements, literally they become ridiculous. It's like, of course, the person that says that doesn't think every single person can. It's just way more common for that to be the case than to know how to play chess, I would assume, that's all. Yeah, because if we get to the point, it's like everyone knows how to breathe. It's like, I don't think that counts. But everyone knows how maybe to handle a knife and fork. It's like, nope, not everyone. It's like, no, I know. But yeah, it's a bit like a lot of people. It's ubiquitous enough that you can say that and it won't be too controversial. Everybody's read Harry Potter. It's like, well, no, that is absolutely not true. In fact, it's more likely than not that if you encounter a person, they haven't read it. Like that would be an example. Paratrooper, more like an airdropped snack. Is that reference in Army of the Dead? All right. Yeah, probably. You've had movies on the dead coming to theaters near you in 10 years. Squid games dipped in quality during and after Episode 7 for me. I mean, I thought Episode 5 was the worst one. So I don't know. And it's mainly because there was a lot of detective plotline in that one. Yeah. Stupid. It's the resolution, I think, of the stupid organ harvesting thing, which I've seen so many people describe as like it's super interesting that they did that alongside the main stuff. And I'm like, it would have been interesting if there was a time traveling dinosaur, but I don't know that that's suitable with everything we know. And I feel the same way about the organ harvesting. They should have done a better job with it. I think when Jay was watching it, he was asking about it. And he said, why when trying to prevent the dude from shooting him when he's found, you know, when the detective puts the gun to his head and he's trying to find out if he killed his brother? As part of his defense ramblings, he said that we all had sex with the female corpse or something like that. And Jay was just like, why would you throw that out when trying to convince someone not to kill you? You're gonna keep that to yourself. Someone in chat makes bad faith criticism of rags. Rags defends himself from criticism. Reddit rags is so toxic and is ruining eFap. To be fair, I don't know, that just seems like not even just a Reddit thing, but like this is weird thing where if a creator responds to criticism of them, like the first thing people say is why you can't handle criticism. It doesn't even matter what you said. It's really fucking strange. What is kind of criticism? Does it mean just accepting it and never pushing back against it? You know, if you think this is correct? It'll do that like you're obsessed. You must name search. Oh my God, you do this with everyone? And like the answer to this is like, no. I just saw something about me that wasn't true. Simple as that. It's like, whoa. Well, we're in a world right now of ascribing motivation to like poison the well that is the person. We got a lot of a lot of little crystal balls. Everybody's got a little crystal ball that they pull out. And it's like, now what is, I don't know, this guy thinking. Oh, that's what he's thinking. Oh, man, what are the odds that the thing that I believe he's thinking makes him a piece of shit? I don't like him. He said stuff that's kind of interesting or a good argument. I hope he's, you know, like he has a bad thing in some way shape or form so I can just write it off. Right, write it off like a light switch. Just go that. No, that's a reference. Or can anyone in chat will get it? Yeah, someone in chat will get it. I'm just I'm keenly waiting to see who's who's got that one. A critique of capitalism yet. I'm yeah, yeah, you got it. There you go. Yeah. Mainly rags is toxic to guests on the stream. That's the big issue. That's not true, though. The big issue. What? That's the way they're just saying to guests in general. Wow. I would have thought they'd at least specify like the debate people that we usually have. But guests like was last time rags and John argued. But yeah, it's a critique of capitalism yet I'm buying it. It's like that's not exactly the most intelligent thing to say about it. But it is interesting that it's fully ingrained in capitalism Squid Game and it almost represents right now the power of like smaller ideas being propelled by people who support it monetarily within like investments. And then it becomes popular worldwide as a result of that. Like it's interesting to think about. I don't think it lessens any particular messages it may or may not have necessarily. I don't think so. Can be can be complex because it could have released in any state necessarily. Well, I guess I'm trying to think of like an economic system that would absolutely prevent it from being created whatsoever. And it's like, I don't know, there's probably some out there. But it's amusing for me. I guess it in a sense because it was like before I think I even knew what Squid Game was about. I heard about it's just monetary success. Yeah. Interesting. Heard of America vigilante podcast. No. No, I haven't. I don't think so. No, that isn't all. The cops brother is the front man was a winner of the previous Squid Game. And why literally no exploration whatsoever. He's just dead. I reckon he's not dead. But everything to do with the cop stuff is like it doesn't fucking mean anything in season one. You have to wait till season two, presumably. I don't know if you guys saw like the interview where they were asking him what his plans off season two. And he's already mentioned like the detective stuff. I'm definitely doing something with that. It's like, yeah. Hey, maybe it'll be good this time around. I don't know. I'm just it's just it wasn't in season one. And it makes sense. A lot of people said to us while we were covering this, like that was something Netflix wanted in there. So if he didn't give a fuck about it, then no wonder it ended up the way that it did. Lame. Lame indeed. I didn't like the way the scene with boomer guy, like what is it with him? Is he sicko? I'm talking about number one. He really loved the show. It remains of EFAP. Didn't like the way the scene with boomer guy, what is it with him? Is he sicko? Are we talking about like the fact that he set up the squid game in general? I mean, you can garner whatever you think is true about a person who does something like that, I guess. Yeah. They said really love the show. It remains of EFAP. I don't know exactly. This means great. I wish Nathan Fillion was playing Drake. Everyone does. Yeah, everybody. It was like the perfect choice. It's odd that they would, they finally decide to make a legit movie for it, and then they go with a young version of them instead of the version everyone knows and loves. I guess if they want to franchise it might be what, while to get somebody who's, you know, you know, missing a little bit. Exactly. I think he's like 50 at this point, right? Oh man. Is he actually? Hold on. Well, you can always dye his hair and have him have a stuntman, I guess, right? Plus, isn't he doing a TV show? Maybe maybe they did. Yeah, he's 50. Oh, exactly 50. There you go. This, I could have pulled it off and it would have made everybody happy. Yeah. I like Tom Holland. I don't know why he was cast as Nathan Drake. I don't understand it other than the obvious stuff. The name, yeah. He's Spooderman. Don't you want to see Spooderman and nothing? I do like Gihan's personal story arc and how he's changed due to the horror and guilt of using the money he earned and his song and the resolution with Sangwoo. Oh, yeah, I liked it a whole bunch. Yeah, that's good stuff. Hey, sexy massives. Check out Kazooaki Kiriya 2004 film, Cashewn. Ah, the Cashewn. I can't remember them correcting me on it, but I don't remember which one is the correct one anymore. It's a very interesting movie with a great look and soundscape. Very well. Nerd Anonymous or Nerd Anonymous. The man who exposed the pro Marsha Lucas simps must be brought on EFAP or I'll steal J's GF. Also, his videos expose JJ Abrams. Arrow Doggo. Hi. I had a look at him. He doesn't really have any socials. There I fucking use that umbrella to him. Sounds kind of lame, doesn't it? But I mean, what else can I say? And I left a comment on his video saying, hey, it'd be cool to have you on EFAP sometimes. I thought his video was really interesting. But that's the most I can do, everybody. If you have any kind of, I guess, way to know to contact him, I will check it out. I couldn't even find an email. Ah, maybe there is one now. I'd have to go give it another check. Um, except people like B-movies. So maybe giving credit for unrefined creative premises might not be entirely unwarranted. Giving credit for unrefined creative premises might not be entirely unwarranted. Um, well, I don't know that I guess I'm, where has it been said that there's nothing there at all to talk about? I'm trying to think of, is there a position that counters from us? I'm not sure. I think, I think what we often will say is like ideas are, execution is the king, like of, it's the most important part. The idea, that's, that's cool. But like the idea in and of itself, how much it's worth is going to be dictated by how well it's conveyed in the story. That is the most important part. We have a shitty B-movie that executes a really cool, seeming idea. Badly, we'd still talk about the fact that they executed it. They still did it, and we could still find things probably to praise in terms of effort. But yeah, I mean, at that point, if the film was mainly spread around through the fact that people were like, oh, have you heard of the idea in this film, though? It's like, okay. And I get, you know, the whole idea is a cheap thing. It's like, I don't know what kind of idea you'd have to come up with to make me think otherwise. Like some kind of fucking thing that just blows my mind, I guess. But if it blows your mind, it would probably be more so an actual story than just the idea at that point. Look, because I was thinking like, you know, Lord of the Rings, but broadened to the point where you just say fantasy story about rings of power, and you have to go and destroy one of them before the evil wizard sort of gets it back. I should be like, okay. Okay. But then the execution is still amazing. The execution is making the Elvish language. It's not just, oh, the elves have a language. Execution is coming up, is writing down the history, doing the work. That the creation of it, not just the concept of it. I think that's the important part that's being highlighted is the work of writing. The work is making it. It's not generating the, it's not the spark that kicks off the project. It's making it into something. You need to write it down. You need to draw a picture of it. You need to document it in some way. That's what work is. That's what it is. You're realizing it. Yeah. Not just floaty ideas in your head that can change a million times a second so it could reformat itself on the fly to fit itself. And ideas are very floaty things oftentimes. It's got to be, you got to put it down on something. It's got to be. Like someone said, the world as we know it is a simulation world hooked up to like machines that literally are farming us for our whatever thing. And we live in what is called the matrix or something. I'd just be like, okay, I guess I'd like to see what that ends up being. And that's going to be my, I think my approach with a lot of these sorts of premises is premise. That's the word. Yeah. Um, I'm trying to think of any one of someone saying, like, like, you know, like what ifs is just like, what if humans were extinct and all that was left was one robot. That had with AI to repopulate using embryos and had a particular protocol set. I'd be like, all right. Show me it. Kiss the idea. Well, yeah, I guess because now I'm thinking like the twilight zone, the whole idea is that every single episode is some concept that's going to be explored. But it's not just the concept. It's the way that it's explored that is the main. They made an episode of television for it. Yeah, they made a whole story with characters and it was presented in a way that was really cool. It's not just the idea. The idea is what you pull from it, but the value that you pull from it is changed by the content itself. So when it's great, and of course, you know, an idea could be conveyed poorly in a way that doesn't provide much value or it can be conveyed excellent in a way that's immensely valuable. And with that premise, I just gave two people guessing Wally. It's like, not quite. No. That's the one. Yeah, Wally revolution. Dude, Wally with a bunch of embryos and he's like crafting. He's like, oh God, what's he going to do? Wally reloaded Wally resurrection. It's my girlfriend's birthday today. Make her day and reel her discord message about Bly. I don't. Well, it gives me a lot. Do it. You're massive. Please. And thank you. I don't I don't even know where. What? Happy birthday. Hopefully. Yeah, absolutely. Happy birthday. Hope you have a good one or had a good one. Had. Yeah. Right. Funniest part in SG creator being in his always good game, obviously creator being in his feelings and calling out LeBron James for saying the ending was shit. Laugh my ass off. Okay. I'm done talking. Yeah, that did happen. LeBron James said it ended shittily. All right. I feel like if you create someone like Squid Game, you should probably just, I guess you have to do it in interviews. But like the idea that you're like tweeting back and forth to people or something, I should be like, you'll be fine. You're like millions of people. If I can love in this thing, you'll be fine. I don't know. What do you guys think about like a writer, director person of like a huge project being like, no fuck you. You weren't paying attention. This is what it meant. Sort of thing on Twitter. Um, I always wonder. Um, I'm not sure. I don't know if I can come up with like a principle thing against it, but it always seems like. It always seems a bit, um, I don't know. It feels like when, um, you know how it seems a little bit cringy? Like if a writer or a director tries to explain to you basically what the point of the story is, it always feels like it might just not do that. Yeah. Kind of like just talking about Twilight Zone and that's often what's done at the end. But that was, but here's the thing. That's what happened in a lot of old stuff too. A lot of old movies and you go ahead. You finish. Oh, I was just going, you're right. But that is in the show. You know what I mean? I guess it would be different if Rod said, I mean, he's probably, he's probably talked about the show beyond it. But I doubt he got into any arguments with people who were criticizing. You know, I'm going to imagine it's going to be a context thing as well, because there's a difference between going on Twitter and being like, you idiot. When I put crosses in the background where Superman was dying wasn't a reference to Jesus. It was just, it, they just, it's a, it was. Okay, yes. That was a reference to, yeah, like, yeah, some other thing. Versus being in an interview with someone about the film. And then they go, there's a lot of themes in this movie. So there's a lot, a lot to say about sacrifice, right? And you're like, yes, yes, sacrifice, betrayal. And then, you know, naming them broadly like that is going to be much more acceptable, I guess, than like. Oh, yeah. But I guess it's just, um, Yeah. Hello. You cut out there, Fringy. Last thing it was. Oh, uh, uh, well, while, while, while Fringy sorts that out, um, I guess, finish my point, but that I, there was a lot of older stuff back in the 40s, 50s, 60s, a lot of the times where they were very, very explicit about the points of things. Um, and I think that's just an aspect of, you know, like when you go back to the 20s, 30s, 40s, a lot of the movies and things were very theatrical. They were kind of like plays. They were shot differently and they were acted differently. And maybe it was just one of those eventually over time as these things get more popular and more commonplace, there's an understanding that develops. So you don't have to offer, like nowadays, if, if a point is explode, there he goes, there he's back. But a lot of the times now, if there is a theme or something like that, it's not often explicitly said or it's just hinted at. Yeah. And it's more subtle. Um, I was actually, I think it was, it was either. Bring your ass. I'm not even sure. But there's, there's movies come out recently that I quite like, but it's not because I was thinking like, you know, like TLJ where it's just overtly stated. It's like, I've never been a fan of overtly stating whatever point you're trying to make. It sucks. But I guess there's context where it might work. Tell us the context. Yeah. If like, you shouldn't have to explain to Luke Skywalker, something that he should already understand like he's a child. But depending on the context, especially if it is about an older character explaining something to a younger character, or there's some like in universe lesson that's going to be given where it's appropriate. Sure. Or we discover the lesson along with the character. If you have, if Merlin is explaining to Arthur, here's the point of why I turned you into an ant. That part didn't make it into sort of a stone. Here is though. Here's why I turned you into a goose. Here's why it turns you into a fish. And so you, you learn, you know. Bree's going to get some coffee. Well, we'll hear the conclusion laterally. But yeah, I was going to say that this movie, that happens. It gets overly stated. And I was like annoyed. And I was thinking to myself, like, can I really be critical of that? Is it something I don't like? And then I was, I thought in that circumstance, and you just kind of made me think it about TLJ. Obviously, I've been over so many times. But in the film, the character that says the point of the film hasn't really been around for like most of the events. So it really fucking bugged me. Yeah. Like there was no context for the line that she says, basically. And I was just like, that's not your position to say go away. Also, I picked it up without you. Like it gets annoying when stuff like that happens. But yeah, TLJ, how fucking old is Luke? How has he not gotten a lesson from Yoda about how, hey, buddy, you know, when you fuck up, that can actually be a big old fucking teaching moment, you know, kind of like 20 years ago. Yoda, God damn it. Well, it was like kind of like Empire, right? Isn't that what happens? Well, look at Civil War, right? Black Panther learns a lesson. And he explicitly tells it to Zemo at the end. And it all works. It all fits. Don't let him consume me. Yeah. It's such a great, it's great. Black Panther is fucking great in that movie. He really is. Zemo is great in that movie. And their little talk at the very end is like that's kind of, that's a big theme of the little movie. Yeah, you could argue that that scene is what Civil War is all about, because it's just carnage that just repeats over and over again as a result of the prior carnage. And you can become a part of that cycle or you can stop it. It's really cool. Civil War is a cool little movie, by the way. I don't know. Have we mentioned the Civil War before? So it was great, y'all. It's this little film that came out in 2016. It's kind of like it's a little bit cringy because it's like lasers and rockets. But I mean, you guys might like it in chat. I don't know. Rockets can be cool. Yeah, rockets can be cool, I will say. Annihilate Cop B plot on the last episode, please. I think the last episode definitely feels off in terms of like, it like has two endings. I know a lot of people feel this way. It feels like it just, I don't know how I would tweak it to not feel like it ends and then ends again. But yes, I am totally on board with completely erasing the detective plot line. We do not need it. Make it a six episode fucking season. We just don't need him. All the organ thing. But if you guys really want the organ thing, we'll find a way. Okay. Why don't we just make it a different, better? Less poo poo. Less poo pee. I do not like the poop. Boo boo bead. VIPs couldn't act lol. Just have them speak Korean like all the other characters. Um, I like the idea that they are from across the whole world. In fact, I'm kind of disappointed that so many had American accents. Like, oh, how can we do more? They all seem to, they all just came across as Americans. I don't think there were, I think there were, I think there was an Asian one, but the rest were white. I can't quite recall. Yeah, I'd have to have a look again. But, um, yeah, we, we, we, uh, as I explained when we looked at the video, um, apparently that wasn't the actor's fault. That was just exactly how the director told them to do it. So. He said it probably wasn't put through Google Translate. Probably. I don't think that is how it happened. Nah. We, in our Squid Game E-Fap, we talked about a lot of changes that they could have done, but so that's, that's all there in our, in our Squid Game E-Fap. We talk a lot about the ending and a lot about the changes to potential, you know, potential changes to the VIPs that they could have done. There's, there's a lot of stuff there that could have been changed. Because a lot of that stuff just doesn't matter. Yoss! Don't you yoss me? Also close. You kill someone in the halos. No, I, I, I, yeah, nobody will wander around because of the, I had the ball in my hand. Yeah, that sounds like someone you'd do. I was touching the walls really hard and then I won. Put the walls in your mouth and, uh, I mean hand, right? Holes above Wang. Skinner, stop being so good at chasing me. Geez. Please. Um. Also, wouldn't Old Man being alive completely contradict that the game is built on equality because he's already known all the games in advance? Again, I, I would assume that is definitely something they're aware of when they made this. The, the old man is exempt from a couple of things. Though, a lot of people have been saying that if you look at the, the tug of war that he wasn't going to die from that. I feel like he was. Um, but I don't, I guess I don't know. I wouldn't mind what the creator, like to know what the creator intended with that one. If, if it was supposed to be that he would have survived all these games. Because imagine, like, the, the, you know, the, it gets, the, the whole sag is pulled off, but he, because he could get taken with them even if he's not attached to the rope. If he's unlucky, someone grabs, you know. I don't know. I don't, I don't know how that was supposed to work, but yes, you're right. And I'm sure that he didn't give a fuck that the rules didn't necessarily apply to him fully. There's a, there's a lot of flimsy rulings here and there with the, with the squid games. And I think that we all draw lines a little differently as to whether or not we think that it's built in versus something of a stupid thing that's happening. Um, I finished Angel season five last weekend. I'm still processing all of the emotions. What an incredible show. Also, Vampire Rags is a very handsome doggo. Oh, thank you. Oh, thank you. One day, rags and metal will understand all these references to Buffy and Angel. No, no. One day. One day. Even if you watched it, I will still pretend like I haven't watched it before. And we have to do it. Well, then people will be upset. We, we might, I mean, we might have seen it and we're just pretending right now. Yeah. Yeah. And I won't let them know. Well, to be fair, that is partially going to be the intention. Whenever it may be that we start watching the show, I'm not intending to let anyone know about it because I don't want anyone to be encouraged to you know, ask you your opinions before you've, you know, watch whatever they have no idea what you've seen or not. And opinions are wrong now. So it'll, you know, no matter what, especially if we haven't started, which we haven't. So it could, I don't know how long it's going to take to get everyone to line up and go through that whole show. It's 12 seasons, man. That ain't a short time. I'm constantly surprised that I haven't watched it yet with you. Yeah, I know. I just never wished you to do it. I force you to watch lots of other stuff. Yeah, lots of bad stuff too. Hey, let me see. We watched Good Things. We watched Hot Fuzz, Tropic Thunder. I watched Hot Fuzz before I knew you. Nope. Bastard. Oh, okay. Well, in that case, thank you. Yeah, no problem. I'm a kind God. I'm kind. Boop, boop. How many stories are we doing? And someone... What's that, Mel? What do you want to say? No, I just wanted to complain about my team, but it's fine. That's fine. Oh, yes, it was their fault. Well, I'm playing the good fucking... No, it's fine. It's fine. Complain a metal at it again, everyone. Yeah. Also, Jay sent me a message saying, because we'd mentioned that free will was free will again. And then I don't remember if you've happened. He said, we're still following one timeline, though. If there's a decision that splits into two, it doesn't matter if the split timeline gets destroyed or continues. That doesn't affect the timeline we're following at all. So Kang getting defeated doesn't change anything about the timelines we follow. But the difference there is that Kang isn't choosing the only one we can see. Now we see whatever one... So for example, if we were watching it from Kang's POV and we see Iron Man just fucking kill Spider-Man for no reason at all, he would be like, that's against the plan. But we would be like, that's just out of fucking character. What the hell's going on? So now we thought it worked this way the whole time that everybody was just behaving in character with bad writing. But now we know it is bad writing, as opposed to Kang making it happen the way that he apparently thought it should happen. Does that make any sense? Kind of. Yeah, it makes sense to me. And I think that it makes sense and how it doesn't make sense. Yeah, I don't know how else I should explain that. I don't believe this. None of us are going to operate as though this is true. But everything up to Kang being defeated, quote unquote, would have been something you can justify. Like every event can be justified because Kang made it happen that way. But now we will see one timeline, even if this splits off into all the million options. And we're just going to continue to treat it as though, like now everyone's able to do whatever they want and whatever one we end up with, we will judge accordingly. But because I don't see how else that I'm more than happy to believe that that's a thing anyway, like in, especially with how they're obsessed with multiverse stuff, that every decisions branches off into a bazillion different universes or whatever. Isn't that like a theory for our world to the multiverse theory? Yeah, I think I think that's one of them. Yeah, I guess the problem is it becomes difficult to think about because I don't know, it's too early. Because of determinism? I don't know. I'd have to read into it more. Regardless, the universe in the MCU is now different. But I even said I don't even know, because we don't even know what the end of Loki meant. So we'll have to wait till season two, I guess. And also, I guess, Spider-Man and Doctor Strange. That must be post Kang getting defeated, right? Or maybe it even, I don't know. It has to be, it has to be, right? Yeah. Well, because Doctor Strange was accessing multuniverses in his own movie. So I don't know. Well, I guess that's the problem, though, because if Kang, you know, what does it mean if all time or so when he happened and then things start branching out? To the people who live in the MCU, the multiverse must have always existed, presumably, by that logic. Yeah, because technically, the events of Loki could have happened at any time. Yeah, like it could be the first event of the MCU in a sense. It could, but I don't know, I don't know that they've thought about it like that. They didn't. It's all just a horrific mess. How many stories are we going to have where rich people, watch poor people compete to the death? Well, there's a lot of premises you can make out of that, right? And then it's impossible for people not to read class warfare, whatever, out of it. Like, because it means trying to get through Kingdom very gradually, and there's no way you can avoid having that interpretation on that show as well. Yeah. And then we'd be like, it's just zombies. It's like, well... Well, that one, I would say that if you were to send that one to just zombies, it's like, man, I don't know. It's okay for stuff to, you know, criticize aspects of society, right? Yeah. And obviously, in fact, that's... You get plenty of overt dialogue that's like... Yeah. Like, oh, I get it. It's cool. I mean, the premise is cool. It's a cool backdrop against which to tell this kind of story. Ruby Rose sounds more and more of a Batman villain every day. Hashtag Ruby Rose for Arkham Asylum. I don't even call the latest on that. I don't know if she's giving away my stuff. Presumably, she's still trying to... I don't even know what her goal is, actually. I was about to say, well, what even was her goal? I just, I don't know, shame all of the people on the production. In the middle of this season being released, it's like, well... Is everyone still wondering if it was a matter of an NDA running out or something like that? Honestly, don't even know. Man, Wiggum, you're so obsessed with me. Okay, Mr. Popular, calm down. All right. Oh, oh, oh, there we go. Why is my fucking YouTube crashing this whole time? This stream just crashed on me like every couple of minutes. I don't know why. It's really annoying. Anyway, go ahead. He was bored. That's the motivation. Presumably they're talking about Oldman. I think he's a little bit more complicated than he was bored. Like, you could definitely summarize it that way. But it's also because he was, like, interested in testing what humanity does in certain environments, which again, lines up with what he does with Gi-han in episode six and the bet that he's running with the whole woman outside. He is a little bit bored alive. Yeah, he does say that. When you're super rich, things are a lot more boring. Well, maybe that's not even to do with the money at all. That's just you not exploring the earth enough with your monies. Go spelunking. Go to space like William Shatner. Yeah. Do a real star trek. The final frontier. There's probably more frontiers. You don't have to say the final one. We don't know. What if there's a space beyond space? I mean, the universe ends eventually. No, no, I've heard that there's just zero ending to it. It's pretty neat. Wow. Space two is like this big notepad type texture. Space Revengeance. Space Revelations. Space Reloaded. Space Extinction. Space Reloaded. Space the final chapter there. That does make the most sense, doesn't it? The final light year. Space to space inning. That's the scary one. We don't do that. If Legal Eagle was prosecuting Mr. Scott, he would say the closing his laptop too harshly as a salt. Yeah. You really think Legal Eagle would help out Jacob? We're the only people on his defense team and we would win that case. What if it really is something like that? Oh, for all we know, it could literally be that he came up to work. He's really tired and someone was like, you know, hey, Mr. Scott. And then he's like, I don't want to talk to you right now. Or something like that. And they could be like, why are you so mean? Well, views. I feel like everybody should be nice and friendly on this set and you are not. But I mean, I'm not going to pretend to know what it is. Bad days allowed. All I do know is that he said it's complete lies. Lies and slonder. And I don't even know if he's going through with the suing here or not. I wish he would because it would be funny. But also, I guess to protect yourself from defamation, you know, that's also a plus. And if the old man doesn't really care about humanity, why would he beg to stop the killing in episode four? His words contradict his actions and it infuriates me. I just I think he hated the fact that it got so overt that people are literally stabbing each other to death as opposed to trying to compete in a game. What I imagine it's not going to be hard to think of many different reasons why you'd be comfortable with something like red light, green light or tug of war versus everybody's just trying to stab people as they're sleeping and shit. A little bit different. Yeah. Metal said hi to chat. Time to drop my pants and take my squid out. Oh, no. Oh, my goodness. I say hello to chat all the time. Wids are just coming out. Squids everywhere. It's kind of messy. Just flopping around. Also, Chris Evans should feel ashamed for personal voice appropriating Tim's voice. Oh, about a Buzz Lightyear, I guess. It's a weird one. Why was it? It's a weird one. Yeah. I think people are definitely going to be distracted by that. You know, if it's a real good film and that's the only thing that people don't like about it, I'm sure they'll get over it. But to be fair, is Pixar making that? Yeah. Yeah. I don't trust them these days. What was the last thing they did? Have you seen it, Fringy? Soul, right? Was it? No, wait. No, it was not. It was Luka, the Spanish. I haven't seen that one. The fish boy. Yeah, I can't remember the last one I'm saying. I think, yeah, because I heard good things about that one. I tend to hear good things about all of them generally. I mean, I did watch Wyman's review of Soul and he tore into it a little bit, so. Yeah, it makes me wonder about that one. I just haven't kept up to date with them. Um, Moorla Bloodborne Misconception, number one. Grab attacks are not long for show. By spamming R1 and R2, you can end the attack early and take less damage like in DS. I didn't know that. Yeah, you can take off like one second of your match really, really, really fast. Oh. Like it's, it's, it's. Dude, with the fucking grab. You can't do that, but it's, it's. The tentacle bastards grab like that's not going to change much. Yeah, you can, you can do it. You can do it, but it's not going to shorten it by a long time. Like you can basically, there's basically a hidden health bar of sorts, which is like 25. And if you mash it really fast, you can stop it. And there's even like a special animation for it, if I, it's called correctly. Don't say you didn't know. I've played Bloodborne a bazillion times and nobody's ever mentioned that to me ever, which, you know what, I'm blaming you as well chat. I've streamed that game many times and complained about the grabs. Oh, it's all you guys's fault, but not mine. Also metal probably a little bit. I only knew about it a couple of months or so. Whenever that silly to which video came out about it. That's why I know it from. I'm all the playing video games where he runs people over. I've now proven he would want to do this IRL jokes on you. I can't drive. So I can't even drive. Brought people over. Rags, I am super chatting to let you know Mola received at least two high rags last night on real BBC. I'm not going to let Mola try and keep that from you. Oh, thanks for letting me know. A lot of them that regard like me in any way end with high rags. And I'm always like, am I supposed to say hi? They're just showing you that they have no intent. Yeah, just there's a piece offering if anything. Hey, Fringy. Yeah. Hey, I have a question for you. All right. If you make a fully sentient AI emotions and all, but some part of the code, it can be any part is wrong slash broken. Is it moral to shut it down and fix it? Or is that murder? That's an interesting one because yeah, if you do make changes to the code of an artificial intelligence unit that is sentient, does that mean that you are a killing and basically replacing it? But to that end, what does that say about human beings when they replace information with new information? Well, I guess we receive new feedback that changes the synapse, you know, the neural pathways in their brain. Yeah, because like, you know, if you had like a tumor on your head, but by removing it, it removes like, let's say, I don't know why, but let's just go with this, the memories of yourself from ages five to 10. It's like, did I just, you just kill me and now I'm someone else? It's like, well, you're still alive. And I guess it's like, what, what is the continuity of your consciousness? Is there such a thing anyway? Well, hey, Ryan, do you remember that conversation like three years ago with Sargon and Viagra to us that continuity is what's important. And thus we have to prevent any kind of AI that's not that. When you ask questions like that, where a human being loses continuity in any ways, like, should we execute those human beings? Because it's kind of getting the ones that are not asleep. Well, I'm also just, human beings, contemporarily lose it and regain it. Oh, the fucking blackouts happen. Get knocked out, they sleep. That's what I mean. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. When you go to sleep and when you wake up, is there continuity or did you die? This is the thing. It gets so, well, it's funny enough, because what they just referenced, by the way, I, Mel, have you seen the next Mark and I? No, I haven't seen it, but it's on my list. I definitely want to cover that in my very good watching thing. Well, I feel like I don't need to say anything else, but the idea is very interesting. Let's just say that. Yes, that is the correct way to describe it. Yeah, I guess it's interesting to think about, because the idea of, I think the interesting topic, because you brought up the emotions thing, is whether emotions are an emergent property of sufficient intelligent beings, and whether it would just be a natural byproduct of if you created a sufficiently intelligent computer, or alternatively, if it is possible to create something that is intelligent but not conscious, in the way that we would describe consciousness. And yeah, the ethics of being able to shut it down, because of course, I think there will eventually, inevitably be a conversation about AI rights. Yeah, I think that's inevitable. What's the death and loss of consciousness? Are two different things with clear medical definitions? Yeah, well, continuity changes depending on who you talk to. Yeah, we're talking about philosophy, not like... This isn't about medical definitions anymore. Yeah. And there's not going to be an answer you're going to get from us either, which is highlighting how complicated this topic is. Well, I don't have an app. I don't know that there is one. No, and I think humans like to. Like, for example, it's like, what is the difference between a man and machine when it comes to, you know, whatever? It's like, I think a lot of people, for the comfort of their worldview, would definitely have a line. Yes. I'm also in the realm of, I'm not sure that there is a line. Well, that's basically where I'm at at this point. I think that when we start to get artificial intelligence that's hyper-advanced, it's going to challenge a lot of notions that we have about human exceptionalism. Like, I don't need to say much more, but like rags, only there was some game that. Well, if there was, I'm sure it would never get played. Oh, well, I'm sure it would have. You know, maybe I'll play this hypothetical game, some stage. Hey, mubchly, where are the other 13 werewolves? I was, it was only to me this time around. We invited Zombie Fringy, and I don't know how to refer to what metal had. It was like bleeding eyes, Murphy. Hey, that's a reference. Wait, what? Fringy should be the one to get that. No, I blank. So Mel's avatar had red coming out of his eyes, and I said, I don't know what, he was, I guess, bleeding eyes, Murphy. Oh, yeah, there it is. And then Ragu was a vampire this year. Me and Rags changed our costumes. Outta my way, man. What will we be next to Rags? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess they'll just have to wait around next year to find out. Oh, my God. Seems like Summon Chat are disappointed that you guys are liking it. You aren't allowed to enjoy popular things other than Marvel stuff, apparently. It depends, individually, if they're making some strong arguments against it or for it. I think a lot of people got surprised that, like, maybe they got the wrong impression at first, that we liked it overall, like, everything about it, but I feel like we criticized the hell out of it. We did a lot of criticism of it. Do you remember when someone, Summon Chat saying something like, oh, I think it was Summon Chat just said, you're letting the last episode affect your judgment of the whole season as if we hadn't criticized the whole season? We had a lot, we had criticism to the last episode. We just criticized the whole fucking thing. Yeah, we did all the way through, like almost all the plot stuff was bad. Everything to do with a detective, which is in every episode except, like, six is the only one, I think six is the one that has the least detective in it outside of the finale. But yeah, I think some people didn't expect us to have said that we thought it was pretty awesome. I don't mean there ain't pretty good crap in there, too. I meant pretty bad crap, whatever. Movie blood, yes. Movie Bob and Squid Game thoughts? Movie Bob and Squid Game? He would try to eat everybody on the first night. People are like, you shouldn't kill people just because you're allowed to. He's like, I'm just hungry. I'm not trying to kill them. That's not true. That's why you should kill them. Yeah, he would be like, statistically, they're probably Republican. So I just watched Eve have Van Helsing and Rags was being a horn dog. And I remember I found this a while ago and they've linked. Oh God, what is this going to be? Oh God. That's what they link me. Let's see here. You can't even remember. Well, the only way I believe that's female rags is if they had the glasses. I reckon that's just a random, someone was just drawing a dog girl. Maybe I want to just see my eyes, my horny eyes, want to hit him with a bat. And listen, I would show you it, but apparently whenever I show you anything right now, it unhooks dolphin and I don't want to do that right now. Again, it takes me just to come back. I'm sorry. No one likes an unhooked dolphin. No. They go everywhere they want. It's insane. Squid game, more like squid gay. Ayo. Nice. Only noticed because I have to train E.B. Oh, two boosts on, yeah. And this show, they live, they lie, live the birthday effect. What, no? Birthday effect. Two hit, two hit heart strings, they live birthday effect. Okay. No, I recommend Kung Fu Hustle slash Owl and Sokka. I've seen Shaolin Sokka. That is a, that is an odd movie. Not sure what the other parts were, but I agree. We should have an arc of kung fu related sports movies. That sounds like fun. I guess people saying like, is it the fact that both daughters have a birthday at the beginning of the story? It's like, I mean, yeah. That's, okay. Is that a criticism? Because it says two hit heart strings. It's like, yeah. Showing us what the dads do when their daughter's birthday has come around, right? Great little way to give us an insight into the relationship and the attitude. Yes, overall, I love the main character interactions in the game, but the subplots go wasted and the old man twist is fine retarded. They had to cut some of that out for safety. Inside every man are two wolves. One is a Korean zombie. The other is a Snyder zombie. Go with the Korean zombie. A Korean zombie or a Snyder zombie? Yeah, I would take the gamble on the Korean one. Like which one we would rather fight again? What did you say? What do you mean? I don't know. That's why I was asking. Like, did I miss part of that question that qualified witch with? No, they are the two wolves in you. Oh, OK. Or fuck. Is that I'm just going to feed the Korean zombie? Feed the Korean zombie? I'm just going to go near the Snyder zombie. I was going to say the green zombie. What green zombie? Korean. Green. Korean Weber movies. Inns. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Fringy, a Russian movie called Major Grom Stole Your Goo. Major Grom. I've heard of that movie. This is Ground Control, the Major Grom. He had any goo in there, but OK. Maybe we should look into this and see if they did steal your goo. I don't know. We'll see. Glad to see you. Old Boy does a bad dad on daughter's birthday, too. Korean specific trope. I mean, if it works. Supposedly need to come up with different events to show us. Have you seen the Inside Job 2021 on Netflix? No, no, I don't even know the inside job. Yeah, I feel like there's more than one movie called the Inside Jogs. I'm aware of one, but it definitely isn't 2021. Inside Jogs. I'd watch it. I picture he would have shades on in the front cover. A Squid Game. I've watched enough Hentai to know what happens. Also Epstein didn't fridge himself. When I first heard the name of the show, I was like, what the fuck is that going to be about? And you can't even make the argument that like, yeah, the title might have put people off. It's like, nah, weirdo, mouth just trumped that completely. Everybody must watch it. Squid Game. Predictable stuff was fine to me because it's stuff I saw a mile away. I don't know. I don't feel like it was really predictable. I don't understand the through line, though. The predictable stuff was fine to me because I saw it coming a mile away. You know what I mean? Odd reasoning, like it, the blue thing. I like the blue thing because I like blue. Yeah. Well, people don't usually describe it because predictable is a positive. Usually you can, but I don't know. I liked it. I liked the predictable thing because it was predictable. Yeah, it's a good thing. It was predictable. Yeah. They go on to say... I mean, I think predictability is kind of a pretty neutral. Yeah, because we've talked about things can be predictable, but in a great sense because you've noticed how everything came together. Yeah, or they're really gearing up towards something. Like, I think it's predictable how the weird girl and the thug guy, you know, how they would get their payoff, but I don't think it was poorly done. Pieces of it, I guess. Not them in terms of their motivations. Like, that's fine. Oh yeah, that's the end of it. Obviously it's on that particular game which is riddled with issues. And it's the VIP episode, yeah. Awesome. But they go on to say... But it reminded how we keep saying, give me those satisfying endings. I'm not sure if this person is saying that they got that satisfying ending or they didn't. I'm not sure if they find something predictable satisfying or not. Regardless. Yeah. All right, well, thank you for sharing your... Review Ben Shapiro's awful squid game review. The fact that he's reviewing it politically is just going to be something that we're all going to be like, yeah. Get off me. I've seen all of the political takes, at least the titles. I mean, I'm just like, I'm all right. Probably enough. First we have Fringigo and now I present Ragu Sauce. Ragu Sauce. You're going to call that and sell it, Rags? You went to price? I'll order it and sell it. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe it's just something that I should give to the world freely. Who knows? I'm not selfishly hoarding it like Fringigo does with his goo. Yeah. All right, look, it's my goo, my choice, all right? Yeah, this is what we just highlighted, Fringigo. That's what we just highlighted. What choice? The Glass Tiles game was stupid. They abandoned the trend of children's games. That's not... I don't consider that a criticism. And just let contestants kill each other during the game. For me, the show fell apart after episode six. I get it, but... The non-children game thing is annoying me because I don't know that that matters at all. Yeah, I can see how people would have liked to have that trend be further explored and developed, the idea of they're all children's games. Like that could have been interesting, I guess, but that's just one of those like, I get it sorts of things. It's not like a problem. It didn't have to be, but it might have been interesting if it was, if they kept with that. I'm not sure hundreds of what we really gain if it were another children's game. Like, my issue with it is just the mechanics of the game, you know? Yeah, the glass game sucked. If they replaced it with a fucking tic-tac-toe or something, it's not like I'd be like, there we go. Now it's good. It's like, well, that wasn't really the... Problem wasn't that it was, you know, you know what I mean. So, as for letting contestants kill each other during the game, that was present in red light, green light, from what I could tell. You could technically... I don't know if it was present necessarily in the marbles. Sorry, not marbles, a honeycomb game. Like, if you did break someone else's honeycomb, what happens? Yeah, and is that fair that someone just bigger and stronger than you just fucks your life up? Yeah, I don't know if they made the rules clear on that, which, by the way, I think could be a fair criticism of the show, and if someone said it's on purpose, I'd be like, yeah, that's lame, but the rules are very unclear for a lot of the games. My life's at stake. I want to know what those fucking rules are. Red light, green light being the fucking worst, because no one knew that you could die. They all assumed you could. It's just, like, mad. You should be eliminated. It's like, oh yeah, okay, cool, bro, thanks. What's the thing, man? I think I would have wanted that in the show, just one character to be like, when you say eliminated, you mean we're out and we go home, right? And then you just see the fucking... I want to know if the characters are that disingenuous or not. The organizers want to see if they go, no, it means you die, or they go, it means you are eliminated. It's just like, thanks for answering my question by just answering. It answers my question as a viewer, which is they really didn't give a fuck that they just wanted... In fact, they wanted people not to know. I think that's what we're supposed to gather from it, but I don't know why you would want that. I feel like the game's more interesting when they do know. People, yeah. We talked about this a little bit earlier, but just to repeat, you picture both games running, right? One person gets shot, half of them fucking scream and run away, and you as a viewer are like, well, there goes all of them. None of them really played the game, they all just got killed. Yeah, they got to play for two seconds and then they all just fucking died. Meanwhile, game version two, they all know. So from the get go, they are all stressed the fuck out, and like, you could still have it so that when one person is shot, the people around them maybe scream, and then they think that because of that scream that they have now been targeted themselves almost by accident, and there's still loads of drama to come from it. I just don't... I think they only did it because we as an audience for a moment there might have thought they weren't gonna die, but that wasn't even really a secret for many viewers, I think. Most people who were watching it knew that that's what the gimmick was. So yeah, I don't know. First you play it, then you die. Do you want to play a game? Like all that? Yeah, fundamental themes like capitalism, evil. You can do capitalism evil, you can do socialism evil, you can do fascism evil. Plenty of fun to be had. I know that I think it's more of just people a little bit bored by it, but like, we don't typically get bored by... That's the system we live in, so it doesn't surprise me that that's the one that gets commented on the most. Well, I'll do you one better. We have like one of the most common which is like, you know, be courageous, be strong, like just stand and stuff like that in movies. Nobody's getting bored of them anytime soon, nor should they necessarily be. Just try and focus on execution, everybody. Yeah. Because like, yeah, we were seeing the movie that we ate, but I showed you a train that like a lot of the reviews are just like the the thing it adapted was better. And I got told that when I was talking about in real BBC, and I was like, that's fine. But it's still good. Yeah, exactly. Whether or not something else is better or worse, that doesn't tell me anything. I mean, the most applicable for that, I'd say, if someone said Lord of the Rings is a fine movie, but the book is way better. He'd be like, I mean, they are so fucking different in terms of experiences that I feel like one doesn't trump the other when they're both that good, you know. Experience them both, you were sure. But don't you get it, Fringy? Deriving even a molecule of enjoyment from the show automatically makes you a communist fascist FFM cultist. FFM? FFM is what they said. FFM? What is that? What is that? A full sandwich machine? I want one, yeah. I'll be cultist for that, that sounds great. Apparently there's the food service. There are a lot of acronyms with FFM. Anyone in chat know what one it might more so be likely referring to? Because I don't really know. The Flim Society of Melkens. The Flurms Society of Moves. Fuck off, YouTube. Fringy Salacious Moves? Could be. Prespeech movement? Does that make sense though? Is that, is that the, I didn't know that there was a name for a thing that... Yeah, I didn't know that there was a name for that. Well, either way I do find those people cringe too. They're like, if you enjoyed Squid Game you do understand, you kind of agree with its points about capitalism bad. You're like, go away, sit down, all right. Oh, they'll do the thing where it's like you didn't even understand the point. It's like, okay. Right, then please tell me what the point is. Oh, well it just happens to be the one that supports my political work here. It's like, ah, yeah, cool. It's not even just that, it's just, yes, tell me what the singular point that show makes is. It's like, oh yes, it's this. The one point, yes, across nine episodes, the one point. It was the biggest point though. Sungwoo had no reason to not tell the game was Honeycomb unless put in a situation where it's him or the other he was resourceful. And this, wait, there's a part two, hang on, where are you? Goes against his characterization at that part. It only exists to create tension between him and Gi-han, which could have been better written. Nope, I completely reject your hypothesis. He's, um, it's soon after he's learned how the money works in terms of the more people who die, the more is in the kitty, if you will. So he's clearly thinking at that point, I have the information that could save Gi-han's life. If I say nothing, might die slash we might kill the old man. And you can tell from the moment the old man is entertained as a member of their team that Sungwoo is very unhappy. Yeah. And so we talked about it for a while. I do indeed believe it was an attempt to kill the old man, but it fucked up a little bit. But he was also okay with Gi-han dying, ultimately. He, you know, still felt guilt for it because he's still arcing at this point in terms of pushing him to his limits. Yeah. It's, it's really beautifully done, guys. Look at his actions in each game. Hello. I got Soma recently and started playing it. I'm not that far into the game, but already I'm enjoying the spooky-tisms. High rags, scritches for you. Well, thank you very much. And I'm glad you're really liking Soma. That's always a good thing to hear. Everyone should like it. It would be illegal otherwise to have a different reaction, I mean. At least in my world, I'll get there. I feel like running strictly on that and maybe not be a good idea, but as long as you keep trying, you'll get there eventually. Maybe. Bring you greater than rags. Not true. Hey, look, all right. Now what, now why, now why is it not true? I like how Frig was about, was about to do the cub path. It's like, hey, hang on, but Rags is like that's not true. What do you mean? In what way is it not true? Is it that you're better than me or that we are equally, we are on the same level? I think everyone's just great. Yeah. See, that's a nice diplomatic answer. I mean, of all present, present parties. In this particular discord call. Yeah. Yeah. That was great. Yeah. Metal, yeah. Metal is a chill little news. Zupa. Zupa. Dunker. That's so great. Fantastic. Rest in peace to the man behind one of our finest memes. Mihai, she sent Mihai, now belongs to the great beyond F. He's gone to the great middle in the sky. True dat. If you see Gong Yoo in a train station run. Oh, I'd get his fucking autograph, you kidding me? The English language train to Busan remake, it's reportedly lost train to New York. Oh, I already hate everything. It'd be like, well, what do you want, baller? What trade? Where did you want it to go? I was like, it's not that. Just reminding me that it exists hurts me. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be so fucking bad and it's going to upset me so much. And it's got below at the picture above. I'm mispronounced his name. The guy who directed our spirit in a way in the picture of him with his hands on his image. This is what I do. It applies like right down below. In response to that. Yeah. That's exactly how I feel, man. This is such a like, just re-release it every once in a while. You'll make money. I swear, please. Last train to New York, even in a zombie apocalypse, I don't know if I'd want to go to New York. I swear to fucking God, if this is happening because people don't like to have subtitles in the movies, they need to be put somewhere. You've got to get over that. You've got to get over that. Can they go to Mars and that can just be the planet of subtitles? Well, dubs. I'm like, you guys enjoy that. You go have fun. God, when in the YMS video for Squid Game, where he shows more of the clips, the fucking one that like I was actually losing my shit too was the bad guys planning and teaming up as a duo. And then they both go, it's like you fucking kidding me. They had someone dub that in for the English. It's a laugh. You could just have them do it in Korean. I don't, but what if, what if I don't know how to, I don't know how, what a, what a laugh is in Korean. I just love the idea that like, you got to do like an evil sort of mischievous laugh. And then they go, he, he, he, he, he, and they're like, that is perfect. It's not like, yeah. It's not like taco where it's the same in multiple languages. I only now noticed or got shown by Twitter that there's an American old boy version. And I'm very upset about it. They don't know about this. It's the most, it's the insult, the super insulting one. I never heard about it. I'm just looking at this. Like you should. So funnily enough, I never watched it. And then YMS put a video analyzing it. And I was like, I should watch the, the 2006 one before. Sorry, the 2000, whenever the fucking Josh Brolin one is. I was like, I should watch that before watching his video just to be fair to it. You don't need to do that. So bad. It's like actually toxic, toxic filmmaking where you take something that's so fucking good that you just go, you just do that with it. And yeah, I'm not like, I'm so fucking pessimistic about train to boot, train to New York. Now I'm curious who's going to be in it as well. Cause they'll probably have to have a star draw. Oh yeah. Chris Pratt will play like American Chad. We'll see everyone. We'll see. We'll see. Sabiak number 67 is super hot. Well, from what I understand, she was a model and this was her first proper acting gig. So yeah, which is crazy because she was great. She was fantastic in it, yeah. Good stuff. Chris Pratt will play the train. What will his accent be? I need to know. New York. He's going to. Hey, all aboard. I'm rolling here. Oh, glad zombies. Hey, it's a me. Trainio. If it were like a shot to shot and word to word remake of train to Busan, I wonder how it would be reacted to like in the actors were just as good. I don't even know how that would be dealt with at that point. It would be interesting. I think everyone would just be saying, why did you bother? But then the answer is just, yeah, people want it in English. I don't know. People can't read. So we have to account for those without basic education. I don't know. Like it is. It's like a I've seen people criticize it like having to watch things with subtitles. I just don't fucking like it. And I don't know what argument to use when people at that point. Oh man. No, it's annoying. Pardon me for a moment. I'm going to use the Lou and I'll be back in a moment. You. Bring you for next Halloween should be a pterodactyl. That's a cool idea. That's a cool idea. I like that. A squid game reminds me of dead money DLC in New Vegas. That's some familiar to you guys. Looks like the second rags leaves the probably the New Vegas expert out of a lot of us. I will reread that one when he returns from his looing. Train to Busan. More like train to cumsan. Admit it who amongst you ovulated over Chad. Pretty cool. Who didn't. I guess they're asking who among who. Yeah, they're just asking who did. But I say who didn't. Also liked how the villain seems to be based off of Hassan. Dude, that would be so fucking hilarious if people were like, what was your inspiration for the bad guy in train to Busan? He goes, oh, it's an American streamer called Hassan Pika. Yeah. You'd be like, what? Well, he's very selfish. He takes things from other people. Other people. He'll walk all over people. Jockingly stupid. Just unbelievably dumb. Oh, dude, it'd be so funny if it didn't like an actual interview. He's like, just ask him a question about politics. It'll make you laugh no matter what. Anyway, back to the ocean because he thinks he'll be eaten by a blue whale. People say get that fish guy on eFab is like, I'm on board if he wants to. Yeah, sure. We're talking about fish and Hassan. I love fish. Don't love fish. Fish are great. Oh, yeah. Right. So do you know what dead money DLC in New Vegas was? I do. I can't remember if I played it or not. I don't. I think that's what I didn't play. I'm not too familiar with the New Vegas DLC. Someone's saying the Squid Game reminded them of that, but I don't know what it is. Yeah, I just don't. I just don't know. Respect the long chat. You're not sure what they're referring to, but I agree. Yes, that's good to me. Can't believe it. An eFab a day before my B day. Hi, guys. Good God. Happy birthday. Hello to you. Happy birthday. And to you. Have a happy birthday. Would you rather be the cinematographer for Mr. Baldwin or let Fauci dog sit for you? Oh my goodness. I mean, of all the DPs that have worked with Alec Baldwin, only one of them had trouble. So yeah. And you know what? I'd just be careful to avoid him if he had any point. He was looking to test out a gun. Just like, no, I'm going to go over here. No, that's fine. You know, we don't have to have guns in this thing. We even had a great example of an off-screen death recently. Rags. I'm blanking in what? Mola. Squid Game rags. Mola, I guess rags. We'll understand that reaction better now, eh? I don't know. Why? What? Well, I, because I said, I said, because I, yeah, because I, Oh, I guess because you, I guess you hadn't seen it yet. Because I had said a Squid Game. I have. No, hadn't. I had seen it. Well, that was the, the hopefully sarcastic productions video. So I don't know if you'd seen it by then. How do you all of it? I think we've, we have all seen it, right? Because we, because I think, didn't I say, because I said, I, I'd mentioned Squid Game. And then you wanted clarification. And I said, I said, we saw that recently. You asked what do you mean? I said Squid Game. And you're like, Oh, I don't need watched up to a certain point with you guys. I didn't watch the whole thing. And I don't think you'd seen it all by then. Well, I think that we, I don't think we hadn't seen it all, but we had seen up to episode six. Possibly. Yeah. So not that I was referring to. Well, regardless, you know exactly what I'm referring to now, at least the thing, right? Like it would just be Ali's death, which is, it is absolutely retarded to say that that was a non. All right. Like I said, I think I said it then, I go as far as saying there's more respect in a sense. You just don't show the head being blown off sort of thing. Yeah. Maybe I don't want, maybe I just don't want to see that. I don't understand the situation. It's tragic. And he's gone. And it says player 1199 eliminated. And you're like, yep. There he goes. So it puts more importance on that they died, not how they died. Yeah. She like the points in that video. I got so many messages, by the way, and I was having a little bit of a flashback to everyone else we have a cover with people like, that was the only bad video she's made, by the way. It's like, we've heard that a lot. You've heard that a lot. Bill Mento only made that one bad video. The rest were real good. It was like, yep. Let Highsup finish. Without confidently the, the OSP video, with how confidently stated, all of that horrific advice and stuff was. Yeah. Like, I don't know. Was it the only one that was bad that they've done with? Maybe. I don't know. Well, so I'm sure she said useful things at some point, as well as if she's framing it as more so just a rule of thumb, which is like exactly what she needs to do in her thing. But even then, I think that it's kind of damaging advice to be like, rule of thumb, don't kill someone off screen. It's like, of what use is that? What horrible advice? It's just not helpful at all. That's like saying, don't have a chair on the left hand side of the screen. People find that confusing. Market research shows this. You're like, oh, what if it needs to be there? It's like, well. What if people are dumb? What if I need subtitles? Yeah, I just, I've always had a frustration with channels that make these rules that seem very flimsy, but they say it like it's just a known fact that that's how you do shit. It invites challenge. It makes you think, wait, but what about story X in which this happens? And I know you like it. And then they go, oh my. Well, and then it gets rolled out every time. It's a rule and only break it if you know how. Like what? Okay, only break it if you know how. That's at what point, at what point does an analogy fall apart? You know, it's a rule. Only break it if you know how. Like, imagine these rags. Imagine they said like, no shooting live rounds on set, unless you know to dodge, like don't shoot at people. You were like, what? No, just don't. That's just simple. Just don't the important part is you don't hit anybody. Yeah. I mean, you know, to a degree, that's what Boogie tried, right? Like, hey, I didn't hit anybody. I respected the spirit of the rule. This is fine. Spirit of the Boogie rule. Yeah, I think, I think, by the way, his trial is going to be when we were like halfway through next year. So we will, we will know if he ends up in jail or not by then. It's crazy how it takes that long to get a trial. I mean, all the paperwork and the, I guess the queue of all the cases and stuff. Yeah, yeah. Lots of things. Yeah. Pink soldiers are basically oompa-lumpas, high rags. Pink soldiers are basically, they, they, there should be a song. Also, hello. But there should be a little song after every game. Just leave the room. They look the sugar. They could leave. You know, the things really, it's just like a video game that should exist that doesn't, where you just, you're Willy Wonka and you're managing the factory. Yeah. And you got to, you know, you got to try and coordinate the oompa-lumpas to, to get everything done, you know, to hit the target. You have to, you have to get good products. You have to get the products out. Oh, you've got to, you've got to be good products. You've got to make money. You have to balance the health and wellness and happiness levels of your oompa-lumpas. Yes, that's right. And you need to deal with HR complaints and stuff. You've got to, you've got to deal with copyright patents and things like that. No, Tiki Winky got sucked up into the chocolate pipe. He's like, God damn it. There's an oompa-lumpas sporting chamber at Oompa-lumpa Queen. You have to satisfy her, like, to make sure she keeps birthing oompa-lumpas. You have to satisfy her? Well, you know that. Oh, I'm just thinking about the slum factory. Yeah. We've got to make sure the queen is happy so that she keeps pumping out the slum. I'm picturing this. Do we see lady oompas? Do we see femme oompas? I don't know. Are they all male? I don't know, maybe. No, maybe they're- I think we only have the same male oompa-lumpas. Maybe they are just a one, like they're, like, be a sorry. Asexual, they're hermaphroditic. Or they just bud. Like, enemy mine. I don't know if this would be a Futurama or a Family Guy joke, but if it were, like, the same as when the Orokai are, like, birthed, but the- of the ICID, which would be the oompa-lumpas screaming and just blah-blah-blah, then it, like, takes seconds for them to get a towel and jump into their oomp clothing and then start singing and dancing and stuff. Maybe all of the lady oompas, because, you know, it was back in the- when that movie came out, the early 70s, late 60s? I think it was the 70s. 70s? I do forget. But maybe at that time, you know, women, as, you know, stayed at home more, so maybe all the lady oompas, they were at home, minding the kids, keeping the house, you know, tidy, managing a lot of that home stuff, while the men were out working, you know, doing the jobs and maybe that's why we didn't see them, you know? Because it's just only men who really worked at the fact, you know, did the factory job. I believe a late oompa can do just as much work as any man oompa. I certainly think that we shouldn't- if a lady oompa wants to work in the factory, you shouldn't hold her back, but if she wants to stay at home, take care of the kids and do all that, that's totally, totally fine if she wants to do that. This applies to the the men oompas as well, just saying. Absolutely. It is a job that needs to be done and it's a very important one and there's no shame in doing it and we shouldn't look down on that kind of a decision if people want to make it. A lot of us would be different if we didn't have someone at home taking care of us. Uncle, Uncle, Duckety-Doo, we've got a friendly warning for you. Ah, dammit, I have a songgo. No, this is the Futurama one. Oh, yeah. And then I just remember that I was like, I was going to do the joke myself, even as you do it, like, because it's fucking great. Well, which one? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, go along. Well, wait, wait, wait, wait. So like context rags, they're in the slim factory. Our cast of characters and what keeps happening is whenever something gets broader, like, so they do their initial song. And then I think they do songs to explain, like, parts of the factory. And then whenever, like, a particular thing gets brought up, that's secret, they come in to explain that it's a secret and you can't ask about it but with a song. Yeah. So then they're like, you know, the, the secret ingredient, you know, that's where it's added. And then before I'd be like, what is the secret ingredient? And they're like, grumpka, lunka, duckety, ingredient. You should not know about the secret ingredient. And they're just like, okay, okay, we get the point. Well, I was just wondering about the armed guard. Grumpka, lunka, duckety, armed guards, shut the hell up. Yeah, bad guys. Shut the hell up. Brides haven't seen few drama. They're talking about a specific episode. I wouldn't be surprised you haven't seen a few drama. Plenty of people haven't. Yeah. Yeah. I have seen, I've seen probably a dozen episodes. Yeah. Maybe a, maybe around 10, 10 or so. Yeah. I fucking enjoyed that show in its prime. I couldn't get enough of that. Admittedly, I haven't watched a whole bunch of the newer episodes. I watched all of the original run. I think I watched all of the movies, but it's more sporadic with the episodes that were on Comedy Central. I've seen the whole lot, and I'm still sad I got canceled, but the last season, it's definitely like sputtering. And you're like, hmm. Right. But the last episode is pretty awesome. It's a really great ending for that show. They are, from what I understand, they just always had problems with that show in terms of the network support. It frustrates me that Family Guy got cancelled and revived what, like three times, but Futurama only got the one. Well, the reason why Family Guy got revived was because I'm pretty sure the DVD sales were massive for the original few seasons and the highest-rated young adult swim. That's the show that usually everyone's seen at least one episode, you know? Yeah. Well, it's funny. I can't stop saying that. Family Guy, I like the first three seasons a lot more. No, I think they're better. I think that's what I would say. If it was like the first three seasons of Family Guy, weren't leaning so hard into the non-sequitur thing. Yeah. And I actually tried to do some character stuff and Peter and, like, the family wasn't just psychopaths. It wasn't so cynical. Yeah. But then when it came back, it found massive success because of the... Because I remember I already talked about Family Guy and it's so much so that South Park had to do a whole episode explaining why Family Guy isn't funny. It's not. They just don't put in the... Well, yeah, the fact that it could be written by a bunch of manatees just putting a bunch of balls into a little thing and then combine them all and that's a joke. And it's funny, there was a... Oh, my God! Stop! It's not funny. It's just interesting. There was a... You're all good with yourself for this. There was an audio... It was a commentary where Trey Parker and Matt Stone were saying that they got letters and emails and calls from the Simpsons and King of the Hill writing staff who were glad that they had done those episodes. They were really happy about them. And then Simpsons collaborated with Family Guy in there. Even though I didn't hear that episode. It's fine. I think it's just... Yeah, even... Because it's... I know that they've said that they really respect the Simpsons which everybody should for as I'm concerned. And that those guys, the guys who wrote those shows were aware of like that it's kind of bullshit that Family Guy is so popular. Because they don't have to work as hard. It certainly makes me appreciate shows like King of the Hill which I just always... The humor in that is just more... I don't know, finely crafted and subtle. It's not just... His butt is really high up. He has to poop weird. He's stupid. He fell over. I think King of the Hill is fat. When I was a kid, I didn't understand King of the Hill. But then when I watched a few episodes later on in life, it's like, oh, this is actually pretty great. The closer in real life, I got to Hank the better the show got. I just... All I remember as a kid was propane. That was all I remember about King of the Hill. Yeah, I think it's just the format for Family Guy of just gags. Gags are a lot easier to do than jokes that are intrinsically linked to the story and character. It's easy to say, you think that's bad. Remember the time I got constipated on, I don't know, like at the... Yo, Ro. Yeah, on that Metallica concert. And then you just do the joke. There was no... You didn't have to try and tie the jokes into the story you were telling. They have nothing to do with character. Mike Judge is brilliant because Silicon Valley... Oh, that's a great show. And that was him, too. Gone but not forgotten. It's kind of like Robot Chicken. You know, it's just a bunch of... Yeah, Robot Chicken comes out of the pretense, though. That's why I kind of respect it all. Yeah, exactly. It's just like a variety show gag compilation. Well, yeah, because... Yeah. Robot Chicken did the Star Wars movies, right? And then Family Guy was like, we're gonna do it, too. And then Family Guy did it. And they even did a joke in Family Guy about how Robot Chicken did it first. They did. And it's better. Robot Chicken Star Wars is better than... Blue Harvest was really cool, but the other two weren't so very good. Yeah, and I don't know. I like the arguments between what was essentially Seth Green and Seth Mephalin. Yeah. They were funny, even though, obviously, they're fake, but they're funny. I thought it was like... You know, what's your problem with Seth Green? I just think he's a douche. You got a problem with that? It's like, well, I think Seth Mephalin's a douche. He's like, well, and then Stuart's like, well, hang on. Yeah. It's like, he's a pretty... He seems like a nice guy, Brian. Yeah, a really talented guy, funny, smart. And then I think Lois was like, yeah, he watched TV in the 80s. We get it. It's just true. Yeah, it comes up in one of their final battles again. And I'm pretty sure... Doesn't he list things he's been in? He was like, Buffy the Vampire Slayer? He was like, nobody's seen that. I do remember that, yeah. I think I never got the appeal of Family Guy. Oh, I mean, I don't know how anybody could say that. I liked Family Guy. I still liked Family Guy. It would be pretty dumb of me to say I didn't like it when I owned the first eight seasons. I really liked Family Guy. I definitely liked it. Yeah, I liked it a lot. Family Guy is funny. I just don't respect it as much as The Simpsons or South Park or any number of shows because they have a real shortcut to humor. Like a lot of the jokes just are completely divorced from the plot itself. Whereas there are episodes... And then you have the episodes where they have the capacity to do better than that because that episode where it was Brian and Stewie were locked in that room. That's not one of the best episodes of the show. Basically, any episode where it's Brian and Stewie going on an adventure is a really great episode. The Road to Series, awesome. Because those focus more on telling a story, but they do that so infrequently. The format of Family Guy is about a third of it is cutaway jokes and non sequiturs. The first seven minutes is usually some completely disconnected shenanigans to do with Peter figuring out something that's crazy. And then like that's a whole thing. And then it's done. And then the actual story only starts after the first commercial break. And there's so little story left. It's just entirely based on the gags. It's just not as impressive as, you know, I guess it's unfair, right? 22 short stories in Springfield. Think about all the work that went into connecting those stories. They're just using that time so well. It's really impressive. Like the Citadel episode. Yeah, the bird is the word. That was the one. I was thinking about that one where the first seven minutes is just entirely about the bird as the word. But the episode itself, I'm pretty sure, was about him becoming friends with Jesus owning a record store. What is listening to the bird as the word for like seven minutes? What's that got to do with that story? Because that's hilarious when something just fucking goes on and on. Forever and ever. Which is another one of their problems. That's really funny. Well, the Family Guy, there was that joke where it was just, you know, you know that, the one that has like the two minute long intro. They had a joke where it was just him, Peter, stalling for two minutes as the intro played out. And the joke, the punchline wasn't funny. So then you just left like, God damn, why would you waste so much time? Yeah, and obviously I need to reference the falling over joke that just keep on going. That kept going. Because the first time it was pretty funny. But then they just kept doing it over and over again. When you joke, the funny part is how long it goes for. That is fucking hard to nail. But Family Guy, see, I just not give a fuck. Because I think the peak example is Saichu and Bob stepping on the rakes. It goes for just long enough. It cuts out right about what it feels unwelcome. Yeah. But then again, that's hard to say. That was because they had to, the episode wasn't long enough. So they had to do that joke and keep it going just to fill up the run time. But it's hilarious. It's one of the better gags in that show. I would say to be fair, I know a lot of people who thought that even the rake jokes was Saichu and Bob were bad. Really? Yeah, well, it's tough, right? Because all they have to say is like, yeah, it's the same fucking thing over and over again. It's not funny. And it's like, all right. Where should I find the funniest? It's just the ground. There's a bunch of rakes lying across it. For no reason at all. And he just keeps walking into them. Again, like, I agree with you. I'm just saying that all the response needs, all the response to that needs to be is, yeah, that doesn't make any fucking sense. Also random, there are just rakes everywhere. I think part of what made that, because I've seen that bit, I think part of what makes it funny compared to Family Guy is that you let you see it coming in a way. It's like with all the random rakes and having them step on them, it's almost like the, you know what's going to happen. And you're ready for it? I think there are a few things that work in its favor. It's the fact that they use the exact same sound bite of Sideshow Bob just going, this is the exact same one. It's really funny that it's just the same sound effect over and over again. I can literally hear the sound of the rake wood hitting the ground in my head. Like it's Yeah, it's all the steps. And yeah, I don't know. But again, you know, the Family Guy when Peter trips over, that one is really funny. The problem is that they just kept doing it. What's the line between lol so random and absurdist comedy? I have no idea. I'm not sure. I don't know. Pretty hard to call. Like Monty Python, a lot of their stuff was just very absurd. And I think it's because they played a lot of it straight. Do you ever see the self-defense course skit? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That like, when I first saw that joke, I couldn't stop laughing for like 10 minutes. Yeah, me too. It was hilarious. Just howling. Because it's so absurd. It's just fucking hilarious. What? And it was the one where they, you go to have an argument with somebody? Yeah. Yeah. And it was like, no, I didn't. Yes, you did. No, I didn't. And it's just that. That has a logic to it though. I think there's, yeah. Well, I think a common thread with a lot of these is there is a, whether it's the dead parrot, whether it's the argument store, whether it's the cheese shop. Yeah. The cheese shop. Whether it's the, they have a segment where a guy attempts to jump over the English channel and where he tries to eat a church and it just plays out like it normally would. Like he just jumps into the ocean and fails and everyone's like, oh, there's a level of, there's an aspect of relatability and groundedness to all of it. And the dead parrot sketch, the guy, John Cleese, is like a normal person trying to convince someone that this is absurd. And the argument sketch, Michael Palin is, he's like a normal person who's trying to be in this absurd world. Yeah, because that one was about exploring semantics, basically that one in English. There's a lot of that. George Collins, a lot of that, too. It's an absurd premise, but there's a, there's a relatability and a groundedness that comes into a lot of it. Like, oh, here he is. He's going to try and jump over the English channel and then he just jumps into the water and falls down. And because, of course, that's what would happen. I mean, now I'm thinking, because there was another joke in the, in Cape Fear, the Simpsons one, where it was the elephants that just kept stepping on him. That's a joke where because the parade, yeah, it is, it's, it is the parade. And then because, of course, it's like, not the elephants. It's like, why are there elephants in this parade? And the fact that on each of them they have, I'm pretty sure one of them just has the word the. Yes, to extend it as long as possible. Yeah, it's just really funny. Even though it's just a joke. The thing having a sense to a relatability to it, because even with the self-defense sketch, like as much as it's absurd, like they try to justify it in a sense, like, so those without context, like the idea is just, all these people enter a self-defense course, but he's just teaching them how to defend themselves against fresh fruit. That's the idea. So it's just like, okay. And like, they're all not taking it seriously. They'll think it's stupid as fuck that he like hands one of them a banana. And he's like, I got to show you how to defend yourselves against this. Wait, wait, wait. Maybe you should just see it. You know, there's a bazillion multi-python jokes. I'm going to get a look. This could be one part of this whole sketch. But there's a reason I'm saying it anyway. But like, the fuck, what's the name of that? Because he was, it's Graham Chapman, right? He was like one of the first ones to die. Graham Chapman is the one who gets, yeah. No, I meant like in real life. Oh, um, I think it wasn't either first. I think so. I think so. Yeah. Um, yeah, like you handed the banana and he's just like, come at me. And he's like, the fuck is it? And the first thing that makes me laugh at that sketch is he like is a normal person holding a banana, having no fucking clue what he's supposed to do with it. And then he just like lifts it up like a knife and screams and starts running toward John Cleese as the traitor. And so like that's already funny. But then John Cleese pulls out a revolver and shoots him. He just dies. And they're all like terrified. And he's like, he came out with a lethal weapon. Like the sketch goes on, fully recommended. But then again, like, I don't know anybody who doesn't respect Monty Python like in terms of their comedy. Yeah, it's right. Faulty Towers as well. Yeah, Faulty Towers as well. For the best shows ever. Don't mention the wall. Yeah. Isn't that episode has been banned, right? Or at least like it's sensitive. I think that episode is, I don't know. I think, because I read about this recently, I think there's like a disclaimer that plays before it now, that's all. But the episode is still there and viewable. Wait, sorry. Which one? The Germans. Yeah, yeah. That's the, isn't that the last episode of season one? I think season one. Yeah. The fucking death lady who's complaining about shit that I remember that kill of me as well. I watched that when you came over last month, remember? That was fun. Yeah, we did. It's good shit. Now I paid for no room with a view and that is talky, madam. Well, it's not good enough. What were you expecting? Sydney Opera House, the hanging gardens of Babylon. Birds of will to be sweeping majestically don't be silly. I expect to be able to see the sea. You can see the sea. It's over there between the land and the sky. I think it was like, no. Look, I'm not satisfied, but I will stay here. However, I expect it would have done shit. Why? Because Krakato is not arriving in the moment. She said like the radio doesn't work and it's like, the radio does work. You don't. It's like, what's that? Oh, I'll fix it. You scabby old bat. It's the dry fucking British width. You get it from a black adder as well. It's just fucking fantastic at its peak. Oh, yeah. You want us to go out into the middle of no man's land to draw pictures of the Germans. Precisely. Good man. Well, I'm afraid it would be pitch dark. I won't be able to see a thing. Oh, that's true. Oh, you know what? We'll send up a couple of flares. You mean let's have like a Christmas tree. It's nuts. The whole season is about him trying to escape going over the wall and like... Going over them. And then that's the end. It's a really effective ending for what is a really funny show. Yeah, it's just the reality the situation sets in. We're gonna notice another madman around here. Good luck, everybody. It's like, yeah. That's probably why Blackadder goes forth is just, again, typically consider the best one as well because it's got a whole extra layer. If we should step on a landmine, what do we do? Get her. The audience is second to realize what he just said. It's like this little cap that every just burst out laughing. Well, the standard procedure is to jump 200 feet into the air and scatter yourself over a wide area. Scatter yourself. There's mine. So this must belong... This the guy who owns the map. Someone just mentioned Baldrick's bullet. That's great too. They say that there's a bullet out there with your name on it. What if I have that bullet? I'm pretty sure he's like half-explained but the audience already loses their shit. They know exactly what he's saying. What are you doing? I'm writing my name on this bullet and then there's the laugh and then... It's like it's a nice two-phase sort of thing for a lot of people who already get it can enjoy it and then they let everyone else catch up by the explanation and they're in character and it's like a great double kind of... Just the fact that there's a guy called Darling. Every time they say Darling it's just really funny. Everybody laughs. So that's a great example of repeating jokes that I can't even explain it but it doesn't get old. When you have... It could be like episode fucking four and like black guy just walks into the room sees him and goes... Hello Darling. It's really funny. He was like Cruella's... The guy who plays Darling, he was Cruella's helper in the 90s. Five action one. Like the Butler guy. Oh, right. That's what he got up to. Look, Don Clevis has done, got stuck on the thing there. Yeah, it means I can easily farm him for his items. You're just extracting wealth from somebody who's poor though. Stop it. He stole it. No way. I can't remember what the storyline is here. I think it's... These are both kill, right? Yeah, but it's the quickie-marts like bigger stuff and he stole them. I think that's it. You do that on Bart's levels and then on Lisa's levels, you have to get them back. Or I think this could be the first mission then you help Cleetus with Marge. I don't remember. I can't remember. I really have trapped him though. I don't usually keep him here for this long. Yeah, geez. There you go. He's on the move. Yeah, everyone go watch Faulty Tower's Blackadder and Monty Python. Yeah, absolutely. In between is another great British comedy. I don't even know. Like it's just... I feel like comedy is... We need more... More talk with... They just... They seem like another breed, those ones. I don't know. In between is one thing I still need to watch as well. You should, it's great. And it doesn't take long. It's three seasons and six episodes per season, so... Fuck, what even was the Super Chat that began all of that? I have no idea. I can't remember. Oh, it was... It was the oompa-loompa question because we... Oh, no! That was an hour ago, baller! That was an hour ago! We talked about Futurama and then we just... Yep. Yeah, that's right. I remember the track we followed. Oh, no! We'll never leave. God damn it, we did it again. The trap tier, like the oompa-loompa is in the back. Dang it. There is a horror story there for sure. Yeah. I feel like if there was that oompa-loompa game you would need to have... Like, if the oompa-loompas attempt to unionize, you know, that's all you have to deal with. That was something I actually had a... I was gonna make a point about that. That was fucking ages ago, but thank you, Brayden, for remembering. Um... So when you went to Squid Game, I wonder how many people, when that was coming out, thought, hmm, can we create a game that capitalizes on this fast enough? And like, the two games I thought of when you guys were talking was like, so one where you are, like, I guess... You know, like, full guys, but Squid Game, so... I don't know, you just have to create it in the same way, but you get... Like, you know, it's R-rated. You literally... You see the animation of someone executing you if you fail the game and you're out and then you gotta try again, something. I guess the alternative one, though, is, you know, like a theme park world sort of game, but you have to keep everyone satisfied, but it's Squid Game, like... You have to, like, you know... When the games are active, you have to make sure the work is a while fed and happy and everything's functioning. The IPs have to be pleased with the entertainment, and that is influenced by a variety of factors. Yeah, you know, like, as you progress in the game, you can extend it from, like, three games to six games to 12 or something, I don't know. Maybe, maybe. And then you also have the other side, maybe, like, literally the editing studio and broadcasting it on, like, a black market network and... Full management stuff, basically. You could do both of those. Maybe we'll get one of them and it'll be really bad. Never. It's a tie-in thing. It's usually bad, guys. Even though I enjoy the Jurassic World games, but everyone complains that they're nowhere near as complex as what they used to be, so I'm willing to just concede that they're probably bad by comparison, at the very least. Soma is not a squid game, high rags. Hello. That's true. Yeah, yeah. It's not. Yeah, that is true. I think there are squids in it. I always forget. Count Tankler does a thing that's called TISM. He's read a tweet that just says, No Tism tonight, second. What? F's in the chat from a puppy's vagina. She becomes a black widow tomorrow. Are you fixed rags? No. They tried, but... I mean, after the fourth pair of shears break, I mean, what are you gonna do? Go vibranium shears, I guess. Oh, no, those wouldn't work. I have the magic balls from Black Panther. Ah. One's looking like heel spines and stuff. Yeah, I've broken a few with them, too. Um, you should read the entire script for Snyder's Justice League 2 and 2A for an eFab with assigned roles. It would be really funny and entertaining. Oh, that sounds like it could be fun. I thought they were just in like bullet point form. Are they like fully written up? I don't know. You can listen to all of them. Oh, I didn't know that. I could be putting memes that all of it. Yeah, because I know meme went over them. I didn't know they were like actually full scripts, though. That was a stream and a half, geez. I was just trying to play Frisk of Reign, and then he busts that shit out of nothing dying. Molar applied a deep fryer to the hit and run audio. I know it sounds like ass. You just have to deal with it and listen to our voices, okay? Because Dolphin ain't running as well as it usually does, but nothing really is on my PC these days. Dolphin's running like a dolphin. Yeah. It's running like a dolphin, which is... Very poorly, yes. Hola, e-fappers and high rags. Hi. I listen to y'all as I work on a history degree. What is y'all's favorite war? Favorite war is an interesting question. And I think I know what they mean. Probably World War I. Which one had the highest kill count hang on? I think World War I is my quote unquote favorite war in terms of the history of the technology and the development of tactics and the things that people would do to outfit infantry and the firearms that were used and a lot of the strategies and logistics, the political aspect of it. The fact that there were no clear, good and bad guys was interesting. I think there's a lot of fascinating stuff about World War I that kind of makes it the most interesting to me. World War II feels like the one that I would default on in terms of there is a lot to think about when it comes to that war. Yeah, there's so much to it. And the clashing of these ideologies. The world that was born from World War II is based... The world was fun. World War II is just really important in terms of world history. And we learned a lot of lessons about us as people, society. I guess as I'm sitting here, I'm like, man, the American Revolutionary War, that's super interesting to think about in terms of the new paradigm that was born from that. Kind of like the first of mine, really. Yeah, the problem is it's favorite is when it comes to... Well, war was awful. But when you think about what you can learn from them, the lessons and hopefully not repeat those same mistakes. Yeah, World War II is probably what I would go with. But I remember learning about the War of the Roses of British history, which was pretty neat from what I remember. And I'm pretty sure a lot of pieces of Game of Thrones come from it. Like, because it involved... One of the houses was Lancasters. And it's like Lannisters, I'm pretty sure, based on that. Pretty sure there's lots of incest. I'm not sure. I mean, what else are you going to do back then? Yeah, why not? I'd ask metal, but I already know what it's favorite would be. But you know, if you want to answer... My favorite war is Wario. Oh, that was a good one. I see what you did. Oh, nice. Thank you. I like it. I like it. I like it. Oh, that's good. That's good. You shouldn't have seen that if I'm going to leave again. I was going to say you've done your job. I was going to say, what about War Turtle? Something else to say to Ed. The Napoleonic Wars were really significant. It just feels like we don't talk about those as much. But the fact that... Like, I mean, that was a big one in terms of consequence for the world. My favorite was World War III. Oh, you guys don't know about that one yet. Oh, shit. It's a secret. No spoilers. They'll die in the end. Oh, wait. That's not good. Oh, that's just a meme. Don't worry. Not all of them die. Just most of them. I jake. We have fun here. You just come rolling back and crawl. That was pretty quick that you just... desperate for attention. That's all that is. I pranced back. I feel like whenever I see you now, I associate with you. I was like, oh, is it time for Doctor Who? Well, it sounds like it's going really well. You're super happy with how it's going, right? You're super happy. Sounds like the show is healthy and well. Yeah. Well, I suffer with the content in general, but then Jay has to suffer infinitely more by discussing it with people who like the show. That's true. Twitter is really fun at the moment. Yes. So you're experiencing lots of very good faith, not a steel manning of your arguments from everyone who does not agree with you. Yeah. Moly, can you just fathom for a moment? I wanted to reel everything too far, but can you fathom for a moment that in the second episode of the series, the side defending that was summing up the argument as some people don't like the episode because the Santarans missed one or two shots. Yeah, that's a... Well, I mean, you don't even need to translate this at all. That would be the same... It would be like saying the Stormtroopers only missed one or two shots in Mandalorian. Yeah. Feel like they... Okay. You know, it would be like saying, oh, you don't like the prequels because there were one or two bad lines of dialogue. That's the word of the Betty problem, but just add exactly what you mean by that. And yeah, I assume it's like once it's old enough, people will be fine to criticize it, but right now it's coming out. And so we want to keep the hype up a little bit as fans of the show overall. Like that seems to be an attitude. I also think that there's been so many seasons of... Well, two seasons of pure shit now. And so it's sort of a few of the people who are left are very... The people who are left are going to be... Certainly the people left defending it are going to be the most forgiving, the most... You know, the only people who haven't been whittled out, right, are going to be hardcore fans or people who are super tolerant of this kind of thing, which means that you've got interesting people left for the discourse, like an interesting subset of the fans. But I do feel if these were random episodes that was scattered into the show when it was in its prime, you'd get the majority of the discourse would be, well, that was fucking weird. Hope it's better next week. Yeah. I was explaining to them about the whole space and time having a war. For some reason they got a bit confused. I thought it was pretty straightforward. I'd forgotten about that. Time is evil. Are you rooting for... That's my favorite war. The war between space and time that makes total sense. It's a really cool idea, Chibber. Nice one. Good job. Just because words can be combined into a sentence doesn't mean that they should be. There should be laws against some of them. Rags, are you sad that you're not watching this with us? That there's a part of me that is, but there's a part of me that's like, thank God. Well, especially because, you know, this is like 40 seasons in. Oh, dude, it's the... Oh, there's... Go ahead. I was about to say, some people say, oh, they've run out of all the good ideas. It's like, yeah, clearly some people think that's the case because now they're going through all the bad ones. And we've got a lot of them. The whole bucket full. For those who don't know, with community, when they took it away from Dan Harmon and they gave it to some other writer, when Dan Harmon finally came back because they realized that was a huge mistake, he had the characters acknowledge that one season was a gas leak year that everyone went nuts because gas leaked into the whole place. If they do that in Doctor Who, that'd be fucking hilarious. Yeah, it was like the gas leak universe. Well, yeah, because that's the thing, it's Doctor Who, so you could literally just be like, what even was all that? It's like, it was actually just an illusion. It wasn't even a real thing. I can't wait for that to literally happen. Like, just like how I can't wait for Japanese Spider-Man to be in no way home. I'm rooting for Dark Shrek. That's what I got my numbers on. Dark Shrek. Yeah, I'm gonna see how it was. Boodaman deals with Dark Shrek. I'm with Dark Strange. Is this a meme that occurred earlier in the stream or is this just words that you're now combined? It's not even an EFAT meme. I love the idea that Dr. Strange is like, we must kill Dark Shrek and Toby, though a lot of them are all just like, we can't. Dark Shrek is a living creature. He deserves a chance like any of us. He's misguided. We can, we can rebuild him. This seems a bit, this seems a bit more surreal than your normal shitpost. Why? Let's do draw these differences. I don't know. Well, anyway, we're doing a Super Chat catch-up if you didn't know, Jay. So we're just gonna carry right along. These are about Squid Game, so spoil us, Jay, because I know you haven't seen any of the show. I finished Squid Game. Yeah, season one. You're the only season that that will ever be. Oh, there's gonna be another one. Actually. To me and Fring, you were watching a video from someone reviewing Squid Game season one. They were like, what you need to do for season two is to have more games and, you know, just bringing new people and have maybe like a new villain. That's the, that's what you need to do. And it was like, thanks for the helpful observation. Like what? So insightful. Was this Ben Shapiro? No, actually. Sounds like the kind of thing Ben Shapiro would say. What do you need to do is... Oh, I have the duck. Well, I mean, there's only going to need to take advice from it. It's because Ben Shapiro has got a few screenplays under his belt, right? Yeah. Do you want, if you guys heard this Ben Shapiro quote. Wow, what is the point? A real Ben Shapiro quote. People did not like the rise of Skywalker because they were wrong. What? That's, I think that's from his review. He definitely said it though. I'm pretty sure it was in his review, but he definitely said it at some point. Ben, we need to have a talk. I've seen the clip. Nobody should like that movie. It's bad for you. Man, I hope he doesn't say it. He's like the only person it worked on. He's like, yeah, fixed all the problems in the last Jedi. No. It tried to fix some of them. More Sith, more Jedi. Emperor's back. I am all the Ben Shapiros. And I am communism. And I'm wet ass pussy. We will be a union of Soviet socialist republics. And then it shines light into the air and everything works out. Okay. So, I'm strong. If this were a Western show, you think it would have been called out for making the dumb, strong guy, Ali, a different ethnicity than everyone else? I don't know. Maybe. Why? Why? Because people aren't nuts, Fringy. So, if the premise is that everyone is white except for the one character who turns out to be the naive one, I could definitely see people complaining about that. They complain about fucking news. Everybody is white except for the one character who is widely considered to be the most altruistic and good person like in the show. I like how you're labeling this as though it wouldn't make sense to make the criticism. It's like, huh? I feel someone would say it. Yeah, I guess they would. Whenever you come out with a take like this now, it's not a degree of would someone say this. It's a degree of how many people would say this. How many people would say it? Would this be some random account on Twitter? Or would this be an actual figurehead saying this all the way up to would some actual news source that some people consider reputable put out an opinion piece saying this? It's all degrees now. Yeah, because I don't know if you guys saw this interview where a guy is talking to, I can't remember if it's someone from Eternals themselves like an actor or just, it's like some show with a viewership, and I think it's official. But anyway, it's just clips I've seen used of it where he's like, so Eternals really good, just really good films. So I'm pretty sure the problem here is the diversity as in people don't like it because of that. And it's just like, again. Like really, just like. Sorry, but who are they talking? Because I saw people say that like, huh, the first Marvel movie that got mixed reviews was the one with the diversity. My media thought was, wait, but this is critics, right? So what are you saying? That's just critics. The confusion is like, they're your guys, not ours. Yeah, exactly. We don't want to, that's not us. Like they're saying they think it's shit. So I don't know. Well, they're saying they think it's mixed. Like it's kind of the crazy part. Well, you say that. It's not even that. But like those kinds of scores on Rotten Tomatoes is like, what the fuck happened? And then you read all of them. Well, for a Marvel movie, yeah. Like this, do you remember the one that was like, nothing in this makes sense, fresh? It's like, what? Does this mean that they're acknowledging that Black Panther is not a diverse film? I guess that's well, and Shang-Chi. It's like, I mean, I'm happy for them to use the word diverse correctly, but I feel like the thing that they mean applies to like Shang-Chi, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, all those films. I mean, I've never made sense of it. Anyway, I'm just saying that no matter what happens, they'll roll this shit out. It's like, let us, you don't even let us have a chance to be racist yet, but you're saying we are. Yeah, it's not fun anymore. I found EFAP in April, been going through all of them since in chronological order, up to 120 as of last night. Have you seen Ravenous in 1999? No. Nope. Wait, maybe. Hang on, rings a bell. I've seen a thing that none of us have. I've been to 1999 though. Cool. I can't go back. That doesn't ring a bell. I don't think I've seen that. This is ringing a bell, but I have no idea where the fuck from, and I don't have any recollection. It's a faint memory of something. I don't have like any recollection of like what this is about, or what happens in it. It could have been like, I caught a few seconds of it at someone else's houses, I think. Like I vaguely, this is ringing bells, but there's nothing, there's nothing more here. All right. You are who you eat. That's that's the subtitle for it. So anyway, yeah, I hope you're enjoying them. EFAP happens from April to now. They got to 120 episodes done. Damn. FAP them ease. Also, Rooney Kenshin, trust and betrayal is good rat. That new EFAP and they're already using the good rat. Like a good way to explain stuff. They're keeping up with the lore. I like it when they pay attention. Um, I mean, math's dumb. He doesn't even add, and he doesn't even know even an odd. I don't know if that's what's happening. It could just be that he just wants clarification, like. Yeah. Like he must have had that explained to him as a concept. It might just be the words themselves. I'm not sure. Yeah. Oh, Ali. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it? Isn't it? Doesn't he understand as soon as like saying we use as a different word for it? Isn't it just the language that trips him up? I think so. I got that impression, but I have to watch it again. Yeah. Like he's not a native Korean speaker. That's, yeah. That's an acceptable knowledge gap for him to have, I feel. All right, Jay. God, roast people 24 seven. Let people have an opinion. Yeah, Jay. A-Rabs came up with numbers, so they should know more than anyone else. Get your shit together. Pararips invented numbers. They found them on the first stone. Like, no, just, no, just like the idea of like symbols that represent them. Like literally they invented quantities. I like that as an idea. Symbols that represent amounts. Yeah. What if we had symbols that represent amounts? Oh. Like the world didn't have amounts before they came on. I can't even picture what that's like in my head, this abstract comment. Before there was like, you know, there was stuff like, you know, you've got like sand and like plastic. Those, that's not like an amount. That's just, you know, that's just one thing. What if there was many sand? There's lots of sand. But can someone stop me? No. Oh. Nobody gets stopped on e-files. Why so long? Why don't you Dumbos watching Korean stuff? It doesn't seem in your realm not that you're tied to any type of media. It just seems weird. Oh, why are you watching it? And we've all watched it before this stuff. Just smaller said that he watched a movie that was really good. So we watched it and then a lot of people are talking about this squid game. Yeah. And pulls out. We've all seen foreign movies before. We just, I think it really is the first time in e-file they got covered. And then we had two in a row. There's nuts, but that happens. Lutes. You never would have thought for there we are. Who was the first Korean media ever saw? Yeah, but you're Jay. You haven't seen like French, Swedish, or even German films have you? Seen Trollhunter and that's, you know, that's Norwegian, I think. That's a bit fucked up that you assume that's Norwegian just because there's trolls in it. Yeah. That's trolls are native to Norway. All right. I'm not touching that. That's what I wasn't indoors for e-file. Just saying. Do you mean troll also troll? Yes. Troll too. Oh, sorry. It went on. It says, just seemed weird that you skipped Invincible, which is akin to superhero type stuff you often cover, but not Train to Busan or this. Love that you're covering this though. Play DDLC. I can explain this. So Train to Busan was recommended to me by basically everybody for years. And Squid Game became the most popular piece of media in history for a while. Invincible is a show that I was getting lots of mixed ideas of, and it's not something I cared about that much. There's a lot of those. I kind of feel, get the impression, and I don't know if I'm on the money with this or not, but I kind of get the impression that there's just a general sense that we're tired of watching garbage constantly and would like to seek out some good things. A lot of people say it's like a masterpiece, the Invincible, but a lot of people did then say it ain't a masterpiece. It ain't a masterpiece. Invincible was one of those where it was like could have gone either way, you know, like, like, like the Clone Wars could go either way. I've not seen that yet. And, right, do you not trust Theo's take on that? I think I trust Theo's take more than anyone's. Oh, yeah. Well then, yeah. It could still go either way. But this is probably the most I put, one I put most credence in. There's still people in the subreddit post about how fucking frustrated they are that he told us anything about it because he's put us on forever or whatever and he got facts wrong and stuff where I'm just sitting there like, I trust Theo quite a bit. Like, whether or not he got a couple of details. That's gonna make them angry, yeah. Well, I'm saying whether or not he got a couple of details right or wrong, I'm sure he didn't come to the decision without considering many, many things. He, when he watches media, he glues his ears to the speakers, all right? He's right in there. I've seen it. Yep. It happens disgusting. Wait, no, wait, when we were watching Bly, he was like, wait, is what happened? What's up with her? Is she alive? Too many people are asking that when I finished watching that episode. We, it'll be fun to revisit that recording because it's so old now, but I'm pretty sure all of us would just blow it away when episode five finishes. We're all just like, yeah, fucking hell. You think we'd all have a lot to speak to say on it, but I'm pretty sure it was like- No, we step past it. Next, next, next, next. Next, next, yeah. Because it was doing everything that we thought was wrong with Hill House. It was like the whole episode tricks you into thinking you're getting like this character study, which it still is, by the way, but what you're actually seeing is what it means to exist as a ghost in Bly manner. It's fucking cool. Also Hannah's awesome. Hannah's my favorite character. Maybe Owen. Owen's pretty hard not to love. This is my favorite part. Dude, if I sponsored somebody and that was the ad they gave me, I'd be like, can you sound like you're not like looking to kill yourself, please? I feel like people might not like the product if it leads you to saying, this is my favorite part. What if you get a sponsorship and you go, you put that line in there somewhere? Well, that would be pretty funny. You got for Good Elb. Get someone to sponsor Good Elb. That's- Well, I think that's in Good Elb, like three where I referenced that because that's fucking, that's like the 20s EFAP, I think, or even maybe the 30s. I don't know. I feel, I feel like just get a company that will unironically sponsor Good Elb. Raid Shadow Legends. I was gonna say the closest I ever came to shilling for something like that was in the, do you remember the video I made? This is a parody of Just Right. Yeah. Like I do all the explanation. I say goodbye to the audience. The last slide of the video is Raid Shadow Legends. It just ends. It's not even like an ad. Just. That was fun, that video. The biggest thing that gave it away, quote unquote, apparently was the, the border faces with lines connecting them and Dexter Jatsta was in there. But like that's what gave it away. And this is like, gave it away. Did you just listen to it? None of it makes any sense. So this is like, that's where we're at. Nobody's fucking listening to these videos. That's how it works. Or at least people who want to wear a fucking, you know, EFAP and Good Elb. That's how they took it. I remember correctly, a movie circle jerk shared the video and they were like, this is probably his best video because he's actually making points or whatever. And I was just like, oh my God. I swear, I swear, might not have a movie circle check, but it was someone, I remember distinctly seeing someone shared that video going as if Mola couldn't get any worse. He likes Rise of Skywalker. Well, you know, I agree with Ben Shapiro if you dislike it, you're wrong. Me and Ben, we're gonna petition to have more Rise of Skywalker's. Everyone's favorite Star Wars. Hebrew Hammer himself. So yeah, hopefully that explains that. This show's world building is the worst I've seen in ages. The characters are good, but everything is built on warm jelly. It's so bad. I've started writing a critique for the first time ever. Four episodes in, 11k words so far. So worst kind of jelly, too? Rookie numbers. I don't want to say. I'm jelly. I don't know. Is it? I'm jelly would be worse. At least a thousand k words. Well, that's a different like, like put any like non-ingredient, non-jelly ingredient in the jelly. Like, like just mix as many as you can. Warm is like an ingredient. It's like phlegm. Yeah. So it's not like, yeah, phlegm, cum, and vinegar jelly. Oh no. It's, I would rather eat warm jelly. Well, yeah, I'd rather eat warm jelly than what I said the worst kind. I didn't mean like, if you could put any ingredients in it, it was like a temperature thing. Yeah, that's right. That was what I was going for. What about genocide, jelly or eggs? What the fuck? Speaking of Ben Shapiro. All right. Well, anyway, what do you suggest? Genocide's lefties with facts and logic or something. The one you suggest, Jay. I could just trump you by being like, oh yeah, acid jelly. How about that? I'm assuming you'd rather eat your phlegm cum jelly than eating acid jelly, right? Yeah. What kind of acid? Um, the big one. The big acid. Sugar acid. Well, I'm watching your guys, Squid Game Coverage. I don't know. This probably is just as silly, but it strikes me as the most plausible explanation for how this company is able to operate to me. Should probably be in the show, I guess. But if it were the case, but could it be a North Korean island and they are just paying off North Korea to allow this to happen? I don't know that that would be enough to hide all of the everything that's connected to all of it, right? Yeah. Wasn't if it's a North Korean jurisdiction, it means that they can't, like the South Korean police can't go and investigate it easily. Well, I actually thought that's what we were going to get. It would be cheesy, but whatever. Like the he's like, guys, I got all the evidence and then the police show up and then they all turn their guns on Detective Man. They're like, you fool. We knew all along. Then I just be like, how are you accounting for all the rookies then? I don't know. If it is a jurisdiction thing, then I feel that would be the best way to account for it. Isn't they like they legally can't do anything about it? I don't know if they should just made it in this world legal. I don't know. Fuck it. I think it creates a lot of work. It's not like a commentary on XYZ, then yeah, just have it be legal in the world. Isn't it fucked up that this is legal? That was for me agreeing. Yep. Nice. I think we talked a bit about there's lots of different elements for the world building in that that are interesting. I agree. I'm just saying it feels like your coverage in expanding is expanding something I'm very on board with. Wait, I'm glad. Yeah, that's cool. I feel like the coverage is pretty broad typically anyway though. I don't want to get messages of, oh, you're not talking about Star Wars? Fuck off. Well, I was going to say, yeah. Back in the day, there was a point where we did several Star Wars in a row and then I think there was an idea of trying to do Star Wars every other. And now we haven't done Star Wars in how long? It's been a while. Mandalorian season two, presumably, unless I'm forgetting something. Yeah. It's lost gear, right? Yeah, I assume so. But yeah, we just, you know, there was we had a spell recently of a lot of MCU in a row, but we've stopped there for a little bit. Well, yeah, because hopefully we don't have, I guess, Nexus's point of man because no way home in Hawkeye will be the the things we're probably going to cover. Yeah. Book of Boba Fats. Yeah, well, I'm not like, I don't find that to be, like I'm more than willing to go into the fucking stupid world of Mandalorian type show and talk about how dumb it is because it's going to be dumb. I don't, you know, it's been a while since we've been there. I'm on board. Refreshed. Yeah. I don't know, for some reason I'm more enticed by that, but then I was about to say that another Marvel movie, excluding, of course, No Way Home, which I am very interested in. But yeah, if it were like, you know, Glenn Glenn, the guy from Germany, new hero, he has knife fingers, and he runs around saving people. I'd be like, I'd Fuck yeah. I would fucking watch Glenn Glenn. Yeah, I know you would. I was like, hey, okay. I grew up reading Glenn Glenn comics. Okay. That's why I said I knew you would. I'm glad that you respect me and my motivations. I, however, did not read Glenn Glenn comics. So I don't give a fuck about knife hand kid. Whoa, okay. That's not a slip. That's as offensive as the n-word. No. Keep it alive, okay? Knife hand kid. Can't say the K word. God damn knife hand kids. Moving into our neighborhood. Can knife hands with their knife hands? Weird doesn't mean bad. That's fair. You just need to develop whatever you mean by weird, I guess. Weird is probably of the words that mean the thing that weird does is probably one with more negative connotation to it generally though. I picture them with a peepo sus face when they say something's weird. Like, you're from, from you got unusual bizarre strange They're fun words. I don't know why you threw a doctor in the middle of all that, fair enough. I get it. I know words. Have rags talk about the Korean film masquerade? Maybe sometime. Maybe sometime. Love y'all really like the show but I hope you guys talk about the pointless thread of the show that went nowhere and made me look at a guy's ass. That'll be the B.I.P. Oh, luckily, you're in luck. I was about to say it's like this is probably before we got into fully of that. It's like that's exactly how we felt. So yeah. I can't be upset. The Squid Game's gotten so big. The creator was rejected by studios for 10 years and even had to sell his laptop and stop writing scripts for money troubles. The dude deserves it. Well, he made something that was worth watching, which is more than a lot of people would say. Yeah. Yeah, I like the work and I'm glad he got picked up eventually. Sometimes you just gotta wait a little bit. I mean, it's crazy because the things have got approved on Netflix up till now. It's just like how the fuck? Shocking. Yeah. How did a good one slip into the cracks? Another life is great. What are you talking about? I still don't watch season two. I need to do that. Yeah, well, you're in a live season two video. Fuck you. What are you going to label it? Another life season two is garbage and unfunny or is is lame and stupid. Another life. Another. I'll just call the video another another life. Is the worst Netflix show of all time right now? Right now. What if I just give it like a real shitpost title? Like another life is the worst show of October 14th, 2021. Another life day. Preemptively say that it's the worst show of the 22nd century. It's cool. I'm pretty sure the show is very bad, maybe not the worst, but definitely up there. How did he know? How did he know? Call the video show not good. Show is called video bad. Show not good episode one. Bad audio visual entertainment. Actually might call the video Netflix made a show that was not good. Like that's just the title. That's funny to me. Episode 37. This is of season 363. E-fapping in a pretzel factory for 12 hours. A good Wednesday. Also, hello rags. Hello there. Greetings. Good day. Fringy. And top of the morning chat. Hello. It's good that you say hello to dad. Yeah, but I like the idea of being listened to while someone's making some pretzels. That's neat. That's kind of cool. I really like the bready pretzels with the salt on them and a little bit of cheese. Yum. I like stuff that I enjoy. I don't really like the crunchy ones in the bags that you get like chips or whatever. I don't really like those. I like the nice bready ones you get at the ballpark or at the airport. Can you play with bowls at the park? Yeah. Find another hobby. A lot of people play with balls at the park. Yeah, and I judge them all. They should be on the internet. And everyone watches. They should be arguing about politics on Twitter. Losers. Tolapix. It's called Tolapix. Yeah. Exposed. Just finished Midnight Mass. More like Midnight Density as in the writers of the final episode were fucking dense. Yeah, their last episode was really bad. Yeah. We're a little bit... We're just aliens on that one. It's so obviously terrible though. It makes me upset. It's so clearly awful thematically. And just for a million reasons, it's bad. It feels weird because we must have just been on the same wavelength because we didn't discuss it before it ended. Everyone hated it. Yeah. I think we all went completely silent in that episode and that damn was like... And then there were a few comments like, you know... Like, you know, to the point where we finished it, it wasn't a matter of some of us hated all of it and some of us like, hate half of it and some of us sort of... It was literally just everyone hated all of it. Yeah. It's like, for me, I got to the end of that and it was like, right, I definitely hated bits of it. I'm still processing the rest. But yeah, it's getting the kind of critical acclaim I really wish Bly got. But uh... Yeah. I did. At least we get more flooding and stuff, so... You know, hopefully this gives us at least a guarantee of another two shows from him, which is just like, that's fine with me. Give me more. We'll collect them all because they're wonderful. It was funny, the red light media video, did you watch it rags after or...? Oh no, I haven't seen it. I feel like it depressed me. It is a little depressing. Wait, did it make the midnight mass one? They did and they talked about how they both fucking adored it. They thought it was fantastic. Oh, damn it. It was funny, they were reacting to people being critical of it and Mike basically says like, they didn't understand that they were too dumb and I was just like, oh no. Well, I think I'm not going to watch this episode. But eventually they meant specifically of the criticism of monologues and I was like, that's really interesting because that's like, if you... I remember reading the reviews for Hill House and that's what people were saying. It's like, too many monologues. And Jay does the other Jay. Does the basic response of why does that matter if they're good? And it's so funny to me though because they're definitely of the camp of like, good and bad at just sort of the flimsy things anyway. But I would love to talk to them about midnight mass and be like, hey, I agree with you on like, everything about the first six episodes. It's all great. Something that he said that was weird to me was that you know the big discussion between sort of the two main characters about the perspective on death from like the religious and then the atheist sort of thing? That was fucking fantastic. They were describing that scene. And Jay said that it doesn't work for a lot of people because that's not really how people talk to each other and so it doesn't come across as natural. Something like that. And I was like, huh? You'd be surprised how many discussions people have where it's not like a set amount of time before the other person has to talk. They just want to talk about something for extended periods. Someone might just listen. I was like, the commentary I have for it, and I think they had this for it too, was just, it was just really cool to have like you know, uninterrupted like eight minutes of someone just explaining their perspective on something in the middle of a TV show where, you know, everything has to keep moving. But at that point, well, I say at that point, it still is Riley's the best character. She was pretty good too at that juncture. Random midnight mass commentary, everyone. Yeah, they go high five. For those curious, the plan for that is probably going to be the eventually we reconvene for Bly, and then I create the Bly video and then fast forward another two years and maybe we do it in a mass. Yay. It's going to be once all of us have kind of forgotten a lot of it so that we can do stronger commentary, I guess. Yeah, that makes sense. Because we'll know what happens, but then we can also sort of take it as though it's surprising at certain points. You guys need to see this tweet. You don't need audio, you just need officials. I think Mike said people don't talk like that in real life, not Jay. Oh, well, whoever said it, I was just like, that's a weird fucking thing to say because plenty of people talk like that. I've seen that. Coincidence. Yeah, that's right. Nightingale night. I don't get it. You haven't seen the Spider-Man trailer. That's fine. Also, ma homies, I'm going to leave you now. No, I got you. Sleep well, mumblo. I shall try to do that because you told me so, otherwise you're going to beat me up again. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sleep very well after that. Yeah. Yeah. If I want to or not. Yeah. Third in the morning, that shit. Okay, goodbye. How was the slur for the road? You're, uh, I mean... Iron boy. It's longer. Whoa. We stopped streaming. I don't know if we're going to get in trouble. Well, it's too late now. Well, no, because I cut it off until you're straight away. Nobody heard it really, right? Longer you, uh, delay the worst against. Oh, well, huh. So you're saying that I, it's too late and that we should just, we should give up all of our YouTube careers? Yeah. All right. Never. So anyway. Yeah, anyway. I can pay more attention. Also, it looks like YouTube caught on and fixed this font. That's all right. I already found a new one, lol. Come. Okay. What? The, the, some of the Superchats have found fonts that allows them to say anything they want in Superchats. Oh, Pog. Why would you? You think that's going to be used for good, Jay? Pog. No, but it's still fun. It's still Pog. The terrible anime-ish dialogue writing of Squid Game will really show once the Americans start talking. It's not the actor's fault. It's the writing. I mean, their dialogue is bad. These, these are the bits I suppose I'd be critical of, but like dialogue is pretty good. Overall, I found in the show, it's just, I don't know what the fuck happened with the, the VIPs. A lot of people speculate that's just how he views those types of people. Like, okay. Find that they're going to be a little bit more interesting than that, typically. Yeah, whatever you are. I think it is to do with the fact that they're a very different archetype to the rest of the people in the show, and they're also speaking a different language. I think it's probably a cumulative effect of both those things. I really struggle with that word. Sure. I would also argue that we were hoping there would be more of a difference between the lot of them. They sort of just blend in. Yeah, they do. We were talking about it on the, on the coverage of it. There's so many things you could do. Just be cool ideas you could have. Okay, for mind. A song we were cites clause three, the subtitles and dubs originally had him saying, if all the players agree to stop, it was later updated if the majority. I saw the former and was confused as fuck. Yeah, that's just a classic fucking mistake. Which is annoying. We can't really do much, but hope they fix it soon and that sort of thing. This is for rags and his supreme taste buds, having never eaten ramen. Oh, haven't been sullied by ramen. I hear it can be fine. I don't know people who hate it. You know, it's just. Yeah, I don't know anyone who hates it. I don't know anyone who like loves it or hates it. Seems to be just fine. People hate heroic sacrifices from OSP. Oh my God. I don't even, at that point, you just sort of feel like you're just in a different universe. I don't even, because I can put in that, and people will be like, is that supposed to be, is that an actual quote? Like, why would anyone say that? And you're like, why does anybody say anything? Wait, is Bart at the front of the house? I thought he was in the back. I just walked past him. Did my bad. Bart in the house. Oh, he's in the house. Oh, that's nice. Hey, if I've not related to Squid Game, as I haven't watched yet, and will watch this after I do, I got a recommendation on a series for the full season. It's called Over the Garden Wall. It's an animated miniseries. That sound familiar to any of you guys? I've, I've heard of it. I've never seen it, but I've heard of it. I don't think I have heard of it myself, but fair enough. I wasn't paying attention. I know you went. That's okay. It's okay, guys. The detective side plot is probably going to be great and have an awesome payoff. It's not like it'll just fall off a cliff or anything. Which death was the saddest in episode six? Number one, number 199 or number 240? High rags. Hi. Um, I don't know. Does anyone want to cast a vote? 109, 240? What, what do you mean? Did you miss a question or? Part, like maybe I just misunderstood it. Like which, which death was the most sad? An episode six. Yeah. Uh, I forget the numbers. Are we counting? It doesn't matter if you know the numbers or not. Just obviously make sure. Oh, okay. Cause it, yeah. Uh, the old man for me. The old man's not. The more I think about it, the more I argue myself into all of them. I'm like, well, because there's something so tragic about fully trusting somebody and they just stab you thoroughly in the back and you realize right before your life has ended. And at the same time, to be so selfless as to understand that your life is just not going as many places as someone else's is. And so you just gladly give it up for them and you do it like with the most class ever. Just like, oh God, that's really sad too. It's like, of course, the old man is just like, it's certainly not thug too. Certainly not. It was the old one for me. Yeah. But I don't know that we can count that because he's the only one that's not a death. Well, you can still call the event something that gets you. Cause like I said, on rewatch, I'm still getting a lot of things from like, I guess, uh, empathizing with Ehan to realize that you're no different necessarily than anyone else that you were motivated by to help the old man. Obviously it scales, but the fact that he's just been caught out and he even got to the point where he was outraged. Like, I don't know, I just think it's so well put together when considering everything. But I don't know, the other ones get to me quite a bit too. I think certainly on my first time through, it was old man. What are you, Fringo? All right. Did you not hear me? I did not. I was saying old man. Yeah, definitely the old man. There you go. No, I mean, it was pretty sad when, uh, Thug 2, you know, when he knocked the other guy's ball. I see that as just well put together. It maybe it seems like an obvious choice, but the idea of like the first proper death we show is one of the people that we're really not going to give a fuck about just to make sure we understand that that is what definitely happens. Even though people have died before that, I just mean that of the main stories, like that one's done. Yeah. And it's just like that's that's the fate for the rest of them, by the way. And it's just like, fuck. Hey guys, grew up in Hawaii and there are a lot of people who will eat ramen that that way. It might be similar in Korea. Haven't seen the show yet, but well, so the thing is they're literally eating it that way in the show. So I can believe that it's a thing that people can do. I just I've never seen that. Yeah, I've never seen it either. And I've seen a lot of people eating a lot of ramen. So I don't know. It just interesting. Did you hear about Brandon Frazier's going to be firefly in the Batgirl movie? Iraq's. I did. That is enough reason for you to see it. Honestly. Wait, what now? Is this the Batgirl continuity? Is this? No, not Batgirl. No, no, no. It's HBO Max, like Batgirl movie. Everyone thinks it's Batwoman. I really don't understand how that happens. I don't know why. Because Batgirl, Barbara Gordon. Well, we'll think. Well, a lot of people might not know. But like they're not as familiar. So maybe they think that. That girl has been around for a long time. No, my my brain fully just heard Batwoman. I don't I know the difference between Batgirl and Batwoman. But my brain is like Batwoman. Well, some people might just think that there are different names for the same character. Batgirl, Batwoman. Okay, well, I still find it weird because we never ever ever referred to Batwoman as Batgirl. No. And so like the first time I have. Yeah. So I'm saying I'm talking about the audience reaction. Like the EFAP subred people are celebrating that he's going to be in that Batwoman TV show. And I was like, it's not that. What? Really? Yeah, because they were like Batgirl. Oh, Bat. Oh, oh. Oh, why would they? I don't know. I don't get that. Is it just I guess they just trip up on it? I don't know. It looks like I highlight to get specific because I was like, how does that happen? It's I just how does that happen? But we just saw it happen right now, even with someone who's aware of what Batgirl is. So it must be because they're just so used to discussion on Batwoman, that anything close to it just slots right in there. They must be talking about Batwoman. My fear was that when you said no, no, no, no, no, not Batwoman, my thought was going to be, did you say Batman? And I misheard that? No. That's a fear you would have. I'd rather Brent and Fraser end up in Batman, the Batman than Batwoman. So I know it's just my fears. Like, is that how hard I misheard it? I guess. That's Batwoman infiltrated my mind that hard. I hear Batman. I think Batwoman. Well, Batwoman often she spends a lot of time going to places she's not allowed to be in. So maybe that maybe that is true. You could just correct that as places she's not welcome and just be like everywhere. It's not welcome. Nobody wants her help. It's horrible. We still we got to catch up on those episodes. We did a good job season two and now we're behind again. It's a show. Jeez. But yeah, good for Brent and Fraser. Everyone's rooting for him. I do like how is it? Everybody liked that moment. Everybody. He's just a little sweetheart. And we all we all wanted to. Well, he's he's in Doom Patrol, right? Yeah, we're just going great from what I understand. I think it's been renewed for another season. So I haven't seen it, but I haven't seen it. Well, I hear good things, too. It's I hear good things, but I also hear that it's like absurd. Maybe that's why it works in the ZW. Maybe if it. Yeah, CW is absurd. But it doesn't think it is. It's HP. Oh, well, it's connected to him, right? It's in the same universe. I don't think it is. Well, it's got to be connected somehow because it was referenced in what we watched. For sure. But it wasn't that like infinite universes. So it's it's not meaningfully connected. It's in its own little world. Well, I think you consider Loki meaningfully connected to the MCU, right? That's because it's like actually Marvel Studios. Like it's part of that. Well, so is it about who it's made by or about whether or not it's multiverse? I think I think it's a combination of what do we have in the story and the meta? So like, you know, as much as I can say, well, you see the the DCEU and like the CW shows, they're connected. It's like, yeah, but not really the flash. As Ramilla flash turned up in the TV show, right? Well, that's what I'm saying. He did. But like, what does that mean to me? You know, yeah, it feels like, yeah, it's weird to see them in each other stuff. I totally agree. It's weird, but like, I assume contractually or licensing wise, they can get away with it if they want to. Am I to believe that the DCE in the in the DC, like universe, multiverse, that's Earth Prime is the CW universe? I don't know that I care what that is. All this motivating you to say that is how bad the CW is, right? Maybe, yeah. For as much as I don't like the movies, it's like, I still would rather not be attached to this. I was actually going to say I don't. What was our rating for Snyder Cut versus Batwoman? I don't remember. The Snyder Cut is fucking atrocious. My Snyder Cut was a two, and Batwoman is like a two. Yeah. Yeah, they're about the same, honestly. I think that even with... Oh, someone in chat is going to be so fucking mad. Yeah, remember, that's not on Canonical. Oh, man, that's not on Canonical. Well, was the Snyder Cut the worst thing in DC? What was the worst thing? I know it's the Snyder Cut. Wonder Woman 84. Wonder Woman 84. Oh, yeah, there you go. Yeah. Yeah, because that's... Yeah, that's worse than Batwoman. That goes beyond almost space and time, and it's a fabric of reality to your shit, so... Yeah, yeah. What a mess, you know? Just what a fucking mess. Well, it's pretty clear I want to yeet a bunch of it out of it. That's what that flash move is going to be. It's just going to yeet a bunch of the films out of existence. Like, because knowing that... Why not just start again? Well, I guess... I don't know, you want to keep your actors? I like how you... See, why not start again? It's like, they pretty much are deleted all this, the stuff they made. They're going to now rely on the older stuff. Yeah, because now they're relying on Michael Keaton, Batman, and stuff like that. Who knows who else are going to dig up when they realize that works, because that probably will work. No way home's going to work. Whoa. Yeah, what if... Oh, yeah. Because I got Linda Carter as this, uh, what's her name? But what if I just bring her back as actual Wonder Woman from a different world? That would be fucking... Hire an actual actress? That would be crazy. Yeah, that'd be cool. An older Wonder Woman going on adventures. That sounds like a top-rating show to me. I wouldn't watch that, probably. Right. That'd be a lot more fun. I think it would be fun. Yeah, I just feel like automatically, because of the fact that they've got her in it, that they would make it less doom-y and weird. Or... Yeah. To be fair, 84 tried to have this weird jovial tone in the first... Remember that scene in the supermarket? Well, the movie... Oh, yeah. Opening up. Yeah, the mall, yeah. I do love the... This is before or after the sexual assault. That was before. Before times. Um, but yes, you're right. Everyone does agree that movie. It's just really good to know that we can all appreciate how helpful it is. No, not Hytop. No, Hytop loved it, to be fair. Goodbye. Oh, yeah, he did. But he's like the only one. He said he's making a video just for the Spider-Man trailer. And I was like, he's gonna squeeze that movie for every last, like, everything. He'll say it broke him. He'll say it saved his life. He'll say that it was the greatest thing of all time. Or that he'll... It killed me. It set me free. It resurrected me. It set me free, yeah. And left me that. It helped me understand myself or something like that. It gave birth to me. Dude, all it has to do is have... Reforged my soul. It watered my craft. Say to Tom Holland with great power of truth. If it does that, I top all of it. I fucking love it. I must fucking kill Cream. And you need the... If... If I was... If I says, give me rent. Oh, dude. I would... I would kind of love it if it did that. Give me rent. You'll get this rent when you're fixed and then he gets teleported into another universe. And he's like, holy shit. Appears in a new universe screaming, damn door. Door. Yeah. Where is that? Or it teleports when you walk through. Geez. When he opens the door from that clothing shop, there's a portal that just takes victory. He starts dancing and he opens his eyes. He's like, holy shit. Where am I? Also... I don't run a quick one. I should save this for Saturday. We're going to talk about the trailer briefly on Saturday. But if they have Dark Oak doing something heroic, Hytop will also adore it, which I think is a good chance they're happening at this point. Oh, I think that... I think that there's a good chance he might be on Sputerman's side by the final fight, like by the start of the final fight. Oh, I'm confident that he's on the good guy's side very early on. After that first fight, I think he's going to be on the good guy. I think the fight with him is probably going to be like near the first act and sort of thing, right? I think it'll be the first act. Yeah. Yeah, like either the first act break or shortly after it. And he might be a double agent for a while, but he also might just be on Sputerman's side. No, I think he's just... I think he's just going to be on Sputerman's side. The shot of him getting attacked by Electro is enough for me. Yeah. I missed that one. Just very quick. Also the nanotech on his arms. They also... Yes. The thing that I just want to see, I don't know, like maybe this is my fan brain talking, but I think it'd be really fun to have like a climax where like every on-screen iteration of Sputerman shows up. Like not all of them being characters, but just cameos. So like, I don't know. Every on-screen. So I don't know. We've got the significant ones. I'm guessing Jay wants Japanese ones. I want Japanese Sputerman. That would be funny. We can have portrayal. We can have like adapted live action versions of like Miles Morales and stuff. And Peter B Parker from Side of Us. I want to say I want to say Miles Morales for like the next Sputerman movie when you know Peter's becoming a bit more of a mentor figure himself. Sure. But like this can be like a cameo from a different universe, Miles Morales doesn't feel that it necessarily has to ruin this. Feeding into the key jangling. Make it meaningful. No, I am. This is what I want. I want for like if this is a good film, I will just be good. I will just enjoy like maybe a climactic moment where Doctor Strange goes to defeat the villain. I've brought more Spider-Man. It's just like a load of Spider-Man for like a fight. Like a couple of minute scene. And it's just loads of Spider-Man scene. And like, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've got, I don't know. We've got like, yeah. We should have the walkie Spider-Pig. He should show up. Why not? Yeah. I'm like, you know, Spider-Gwen shows up and she's like, Hey you, Spider-Man, you web that thing over there. And Japanese Spider-Man goes, Spider string! And does it. And that's the extent to which he's involved in the film. But it literally is him with the original actor who played him. If they can find out who it was, I guess. He's still around. No, he is still around. He's 66. I look this up because I really want him to be in this film. I'm so invested. I'm very, that man screams like, in every episode, he has a different like phrase he introduces himself with. And in one of them, it's like literally just, who are you? And he goes, I am the destroyer of the mushroom, Spider-Man. It's a great show. Yeah, the idea that the nanotech gets onto his claws and maybe fucks with their AI or something. It's like, it's a possibility, I guess. I think that's likely. But if he's a Goodman and you get that responsibility line, Hytop will save his life. And if Andrew Garfield gets like something as well, you know, something to just be like, Hey, sorry, you know, sorry about those movies. Yeah. Perhaps I treated you too harshly, you know, like basically something like that. He'll be happy. And I'll be happy too. You know what? I'll be happy with that. Oh, yeah, yeah. I knew there's gonna be things I like about this movie no matter what. Like there's gonna be stuff I like in it. Okay, there's a big guess about the Garfield stuff, is that the shot from the trailer where MJ is potentially falling to a death, he's gonna be the one who saves them. He's definitely gonna be the one to save her, yeah. Then no one saves an ad and he dies. Don't, don't, don't know. Don't say such things. You're a big Ned stan, Fringy? Yeah, Ned's like the best, best friend in all of the films. He is pretty good. They have a relationship. Oh, yeah. And they have chemistry in terms of just getting along and advance it. No, I totally agree. He's like, I mean, what is it? Like the Remy trilogy in Amazing Spider-Man. Harry Osborn. Yeah, Harry Osborn, who? I mean, I don't buy their friendship that much in either of the, the, the, the, the continuities really. I don't mind, I agree. I agree, yeah. There's some cringy as fuck dialogue from Harry Osborn in the Remy trilogy. I was telling Fringy about it because I needed some clips for something I'm doing and I was listening to something and I was like, fuck, I completely forgot how he delivers some of these lines and what these lines are. You remember, there were a lot of, yeah. So what lines specifically? Well, so one of them is, if you remember the big, big explosion with Doc Ock's first attempt, there's like, everyone's recovering from it. And he's just like, I've lost everything. I have nothing left except Spider-Man. Okay. I remember when he was just screaming, I'm enchanted and then he gets saved. It's like, this doesn't change anything. It's like, okay, all right. He just saved your life. And I remember in Spider-Man 3, you know, he's, shut up, he's trying to kill him. Yeah, he's, James Franco's an interesting actor because sometimes he's fantastic. Sometimes he's like, oh, we won't be seeing him anymore. No. Oh, did he die? Did he turn invisible? Oh, what'd he do? He ran like an actor's tutorial courses and used it as a way to have the sex with lots of little lambs. I don't know anything more specific than that. Because what I've just described isn't necessarily bad. I don't know what he did exactly. Oh, okay. Okay. He definitely got canceled for it. Gonzo. Um, yeah, one of the, one of the theories I like that I read, this is, this is almost certainly not going to be the case. But I just, I'm amused by it, right? Like they're all plucked from the moments right before they've died. And then they, they're doing whatever they're doing in this universe. And so maybe there's an attempt to not send all of them back because that's some kind of goal that Holland has. But like the one that does get sent back is, um, Green Goblin. And so the dialogue at the end, right before he dies in Spiderman 1, like it's almost like explained by he was plucked out, had a whole existence in Holland's world. Then he's sent back right before his glider hits him. He just goes, oh, because I kind of like the idea. Yeah, I actually do kind of like that. Like he's like, oh, fuck, I'm back. Oh, I'm dead. That's amusing. I don't know if that plays well though, because like, would you really want the audience to be like, Tee hee, there he goes. I wouldn't like that. No, I want him to have cool lines and do cool shit. Eventually everyone will hate you. Like this. There's no denying that. This movie is hype. Got some hype on it. Yeah. You're going to go see it, Ragu. Yeah, I'll probably go see it. I'm probably going to go see it. And I'll be like, Spooders, Spooders. Look at them all. Midnight tickets. Oh, like, what is this? You'll have to describe that, because I got to show people right now. It's like, so I'm guessing the original. Oh my God. That's a lug nut. And it's not a lug nut anymore. It's just a circle. AI? They use AI to do upscaling. And there are a lot of errors. There was the one with the store front where it changed. Yeah, it's like, oh, this is supposed to be a circle. So let's give it a bit more size. It's like, no, it was actually supposed to be a nut. I can't believe that you would get an AI to do it when. Why wouldn't you take care with this? It's so important. Take care of it, resell it as a high quality, repurbished classical remaster that you could set a precedent for going forwards. One of the things that happened with Buffy's remaster, right, is a lot of us explained by how they just didn't give a fuck, because Buffy's just not that important compared to something like Charmed. I don't know exactly why. Charmed's remaster was like way better. And I'm thinking like, God, maybe Buffy was lucky he got the remaster he got when they're taking this much care with GT fucking AI. Crab theft water. Yeah. I don't get it. Like we're talking about some of the most important games of the last like 20 years of all time. This is bad enough to just be like, no, do it again. It is very much to do it again. This is unacceptable. We wonder where everyone's line is. I can't believe I can't believe that they would do this with the PlayStation 2, like Grand Theft Auto Trilogy. And then to remove the old versions of the games from Steam so that you can't buy them anymore. I assume you guys know about this as well. This is because this is news to me. Yeah, we talked about that earlier. Yeah. Train to New York. They didn't call it last train to London. Last train to New York. I'm sure it'll be great. Wait, when did you watch Train to Busan, Jay? I don't remember. I didn't. I just know that you guys all say it's great. No, I'm gonna. Do you know what I was actually expecting you to go? Molly, you showed me it. And I was gonna be like, fuck, I forgot again. My brain is to sieve. No more, no more sieve brain from all that. We're going to talk about how the detective man happened to steal the suit of one of four employees that are running the organ trafficking operation. We did indeed. It is fucking ridiculous. Now, if I just sort of goes along with it, she has no idea what he's doing. I was like, we're just pulling organs out of somebody. He's like, oh, is that my brother? I was like, I hope not. Hi, Molly. First time gifter. Halloween is all the way. Oh, that was something. Can I derail? Go ahead. Have your day. Not on this show. It is squid game relevant. This is something that I was shocked that none of you covered in the in your coverage. Something that makes the detective plotline worse. Oh, no. Molly, we talked about this, I think in text, maybe on voice, but Rags, Fringy, this is, I guess, I mean, you saw the show, but not discussed this before. So the moment where there's the guy who he thinks killed his brother, right? And he's pointing his gun at him and he's saying, he's saying, he's like, you know, oh, that was my brother you killed, right? Or whatever. I don't remember the exact dialogue. And the guy is like, no, it wasn't your brother. It was a woman. And the detector is like, you know, you could have just made that up. How do I know that you're telling the truth? I'm going to interrupt you. I literally actually brought this up about an hour or two ago. Oh, fuck sake. Well, that's not really making the detectives, like it's more so that particular guy. But it's the detective storyline, right? I guess so. Yeah. It wasn't disabled the audio. Look, it works sometimes, right? Isn't that worth it? I think you should at least turn down the audio as someone who started as a listener to this stream. Wait, how much does it like compare to the voice volume? Um, I don't know. I just, I just remember finding it very annoying. Really? Because I can barely hear it on my end, but if it's actually coming through pretty loudly, I'll turn it down. I'll knock it down two notches. Okay, everybody. Is that okay, Jay? Yes. It is indeed deep fried audio, though. I don't disagree with that. Mm, good for you. Yes. We will deep fry your audio. I wanted to see the recruitment process for the PlayStation guards. Yeah, that easily would have been a better B-plot just following a guy who's actually recruited for that, you know? And then he grows a conscience. You could have done that. But it made a hell of a lot more sense. Basically, anyone who's already in the position that they're in, rather than someone who has to be injected somewhere completely unnaturally. Yeah. Yeah. With so many characters are being injected into a story and scenario that we as an audience are also being injected to. Because they're all very robotic, those people, and it would be really cool to have, like, when the first people are shot in the first game, you have several guards and, like, only one of them jitters. And we're like, hmm. It's like, because that guy is not quite ready for this. It's Finn. Yeah, but, like, not shit, you know what I mean? If Finn wouldn't do it. Yeah, well, hmm. I guess. Moo! Moo? I said Sang-woo. Oh. There was me thinking you said Moo. I'm not a cow. Why not? Because his parents weren't cows. I used to have my life. Well, I kind of was like, then you would. Yeah, delicious. How the hell did they have a note in an egg? The bread is insane enough, since it's all sealed and everything, but an egg? That's like a magic trick. I don't know why they did it like that as well. I don't know how they did the egg either. I know when I was watching it, my brain was asking questions. I don't even, I'm going further than just, like, they literally in the room with him and they're like, let us provide you with an egg with the message in it, instead of just saying it to you. With your mouth full. I fucking love the mental image of him being like, so are you going to tell me what the next game is? And then they just hand him an egg. I'm like, thanks, I guess, but seriously. Well, I mean, you have to wonder how that's he would go. He looks at the egg and he goes, could you just tell me that they go? No, I see. I assume that he gets the egg from like the dinner, like everyone else, right? But oh, he doesn't know. He's handed it in the creepy organ harvesting room. Did they show that? Yes, they did. That's my whole reason for this complaint. They had, they had a pre. That's why it's so funny. It's a secret. They had him the egg and he's just like, this is fine. You know what they should? You know what he complains? He didn't get the man. They didn't give him the clue. They should have just handed him another egg and been like, it's in there and the second egg said, open the first egg. Oh my God. He's funny show. He's stupid. Oh, in some point, that would be a great joke. So instead of saying we don't know what the task is yet. Yeah. In that scene where, you know, he threatens them. They're not like, oh, we don't know the task yet. They're just like, we've lost the egg. We can't find it. We can't possibly tell you now. Well, like they, they just, they stressed out. They just, one of them takes off a shoe and holds it up to him, like here. Yeah, it goes everything. This is what you're looking for. He's like, yes. That's the message. Is this the egg that you see? If Gettysburg and a bridge too far aren't in your war movie arc, it'll be false advertising. Maybe one day at some point. We've not done the war movie arc with more concerns, older wars. It's not even wars necessarily. It's just, it's sort of conflicts of a kind. Yeah. Stuff that has swords in it a lot of the time. Often medieval, not always necessarily. It's, it's a mix of things. Like everyone will be happy that Season of the Witch was in there. Okay. They will be. I was happy that we saw Season of the Witch. I enjoyed it. Yeah. It was fun. There was some stuff we thought was like good in it, right from where I remember. Yeah. There's some little stuff in there. What do you think of the Dark Knight? SK just came out saying it's a complete disaster. For you, is this a winter soldier or civil war situation? I rat. Hello. I don't know about complete disaster. The character's pretty good, aren't they? I'd have to see it again to make sure. I think it might be of the suicide squad situation where the characters are pretty well done, but the plot is nonsense. I'd have to double check. I know there's a lot of plot flisms, but I just got to, I guess, got to see it again. What about you, Fringy? Yeah, Fringy. What is your opinion? What do you think of the Dark Knight? Yeah, I mean, it's a movie. Yeah. It's a movie. I knew that already. That's not really your opinion on it. I suppose it is. It's not a movie. Oh, this is what objective reviews would look like. Yes, that's right. I'm doing an effective review. It is a film that came out in 2008 starring Christian Bale and Heath Ledger and Michael Cain. Bresanov. And I don't know why his name just eluded me at that moment. Gary Oldman. Yeah, Gary Oldman. Yeah, it's a movie. Is that satisfactory ranks? It's more of a description than an opinion. I don't know. I guess there was a part of me that wanted more. Heath Ledger's Joker, that's a great performance. Oh, really pushing the envelope here, I see. Which is fine. My opinion is that Heath Ledger was in the film. I saw Heath Ledger. Was it Sam Worthington? Yes, he played the Joker. Sam Jokerton. Fringy Suss? I mean, I think he's been pretty honest with us. I also, I agree that it is a, it either is or was a film, I'm not sure yet. Yeah, maybe it transitioned from film into not film. It still is a film. Is it still? Okay, so it is a film. We got that down. Yeah, that's true. Make sure, yeah. Yeah, like maybe it was a visual copy. It is a motion picture. The pictures, there are multiple pictures and they have played in a sequence that displays so quickly that it can be, achieves the illusion of movement. Matt, that sounds like fucking, like fairy gas magic to me. Fairy gas magic? Yeah. Fairy gas magic? I thought you said ass magic. You can, honestly, they can both be interpreted in similar ways. So yeah, that's a really great summary, I think. We gave out a lot of information. A lot of little breakdowns. What should fucking thread appear on Kiwi Films about how we deliberately avoid and giving opinions or some shit? That's us. That's what we're known for. That's why people hate us. Because they don't know what we, well, they don't know what we think, but they think that they know what we do think. It's a mess, really. We were explicit and thorough with that subject, so may as well move on to the next one, right? Yeah, excellent. I lost all immersion because only NPCs get killed and the final episodes are kind of dumb and I didn't really care anymore. So only NPCs get killed, really? No. The fucking everyone dies. Yeah, except for one guy. Well, I guess if they go by he's the main character and everyone else died and he didn't, I'd just be like, oh, yeah, okay. Yes, the main character lived. Yeah, we're told from the POV of the guy who wins. Who wins, exactly. I don't know. Yeah, we'll be, like, functioning. It would be useless storytelling to tell it to introduce us to, like, a character and then kill them in, like, the second game. The next main episodes are just black screens for 40 minutes. I mean, you could do versions of Squid Game where, like, the character you've been following doesn't win or whatever, right? Yeah, yeah. That's still a wrong comment. Yeah, you don't have. You could do it from a perspective of a person who did win, why not? But, well, they said they lost all immersion because of that, but I just don't even, I don't know how you, well, it's fine. It's fine. They lost all immersion because of something that isn't true. Well, it depends on the definition. They could be right, but it would be meaningless. I guess. Like, every person who isn't the protagonist is an NPC and all of them died. They could take that pick, I guess. Yeah, that's the freedom of EFAP. You may pick your opinion. We will hate it anyway. It's a unique show, EFAP, because we allow viewers to choose their opinions. You get a selection. You have to vote. My brother and I were joking that the island was all police officers that had infiltrated over the years and none of them knew. They're all so in deep cover. Yeah. They have become the cover. That's how it's legal. That's how they get away with it, is that they're all cops and they're all like, I'm going to arrest you and then they're like, no, I'm a cop. Don't arrest me. Even the man he killed to access the island was an officer or the front bed is the chief. Yeah, they're just, they all don't know. And simultaneously, all of the squid game, people infiltrate the police in the unknowingly completely swapped positions. There's just like one left on either side. They're all doing a really good job at each other's jobs. Like the police is more efficient than ever with the squid game people. Because they're like, if I don't do a good job, I might blow my cover. And you know, the same is going for the detectives who are running squid games. So yeah, if I don't do a good job, I get rumbled. That's just a great deal for both sides. None of them know what's happening. That's canon now. Canon. That's what that is pronounced as. It's spelled with an O. The silence is only agreement. It is? I didn't, I'm choosing not to voice protest because I have no voice. Jenkins is a steal of approval. Just a reminder that y'all need to watch free guy. Not because I like it or it's good, but because I want you to suffer the way I have suffered. Oh. I've seen enough clips. What a great pitch. I've, I think Drinker liked it. I don't know if he said it's good though. I can't remember. That's all I know about free guy because I don't think anyone else saw it. Or did you see it? I can't remember. No, I haven't seen it. Have you guys seen the fan-wank clip scene? The what? Like the, so. I know there's a thing with Captain America, like, and then Chris Evans is there. And Ninja is there as well, I think. Oh yeah, they get a bunch of streamers. I know about that. Like Pokey Man is in it. So it's like everyone is watching like this live. And he, and free guy is like fighting this like big version of free guy. And he's like about to lose. But then like suddenly something, he like, he summons a weapon off screen. And then you see, and then like it pans over and you see he's holding Cap Shield. And the Avengers theme starts and he gets a second wind and starts beating up the stronger guy with Cap Shield. But then he starts getting defeated again. But then he gets second wind and he pulls out a weapon. And it's a lightsaber. The Star Wars music starts playing. It's like, oh, okay. All right. Oh, it's just intellectual properties in the movie. Yeah, it's, it's like, man, this might have worked on me like 20 years ago before I was so like, yes, I know you own lots of stuff. And that's the main way that you make money. Well, I think you say this after saying I want to see every Spider-Man show up. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. If instead in free guy, Japanese Spider-Man showed up and said, I will destroy the mushrooms. I would have been much happier with that scene. Right. I understand. So it's like, because, because the fan, the fan won't think I think the fan won't think I think would be if it was like no way home was like a completely different movie. And I was there going, yeah, but I want Toby McGuire to just show up and have a cameo. And people will be like, why? And I'll be like, you know, cool. You know, it'll be interesting as a topic if that comes out because I will happily compare it with Luke at the end of Mandalorian season two. It'll be like, if they nail it, if they give Andrew Garfield, like, and Toby McGuire's Spider-Man related sort of, dare I say, arcs or just involvement in Colin's story that relates to their time in their movies, it's like, it'll be meaningful. It won't just be Luke killing robots. And we've got, this isn't like, this isn't like a desire for me to see like Luke at the end of Mandalorian. This is closer to my desire to see Jar Jar Binks at the end of Mandalorian. We would all love that. Yeah. It's like, I want to see this not because it would be like, oh, I recognize that thing. It would be more like, yeah, hey, hey. Oh my God, this is so crazy and zany. I just don't want to go that far. It's like a risk that's probably a bad move. Yeah. That's what makes it so fun and what a thank him for it because Jar Jar isn't big. Isn't like, isn't this just all of Star Wars really? It feels more in touch. It feels like we all know that this is a flimpy thing we're doing and that's the funny thing. Yeah. Jar Jar for president. We flew this 66 year old man all the way from Japan so that these the few people who know the obscure joke of Japanese Spider-Man could have a good laugh in the cinema. You just have him record it on a green screen at home, I guess. No, I want them to fly him out. Give him the work. The cost more money. They're not going to do it. They've got Disney. They own the fucking world. Yeah. It doesn't mean that they're going to spend Willie Nelson. They're going to spend where they need to spend. I was talking. I think they own Willie Nelson the other day. He said the same word. Yeah, I think they own him. They purchased him the rights to Willie Nelson. He just approaches people. We all thought it wasn't possible. It was only that it was really expensive. That's all. They can do it. Thing is like now if he's in the film, I know that like a thousand people are going to tweet at me like, oh my god, look, he's in the film. Like that thing you say, oh my god. And then you'll have a spoiler. That'll make it all worth it. No, I'm watching it on opening night. You can still have a spoiler. Someone could tweet out a leak. They've seen Japanese people on social media. It's true. It's kind of a spine of bad Japanese men. You know, Mola, we're getting the film before everyone else. I do know that. I don't know why, but you know about British is getting the film two days before the rest of the world. Because like, fuck you all, I guess. I wonder what influenced those decisions. Yeah. Like Britain gets it two days before everyone else. And you're like, but Australia has to wait seven years to see Dune for whatever reason. They were bribed. Wait a minute. Are you seeing Dune or Spider-Man first, Brie? Dune comes out before Spider-Man still. Okay. So we can at least chat about that for five minutes before Spider-Man comes out. Well, I think I think Spider-Man comes out here before in America because a lot of movies in America come out on Friday. They come out on Thursday here. So just by virtue of that, we often get them for Wednesday. It's frying. Yeah. Me and Jay will be like, let's talk about it straight away. And then we'll be like, guys, you're gonna have to leave the call, please make room. We're going to discuss very important secret things. And then you're like, as you're leaving the call, you see Jay start the conversation. He's like, so you know when Shrek arrives? Spoiling it. Let's go Brandon. Let's go Brandon. Must have been one of the characters in a squid game, I guess. Yeah. Okay. I don't think he made it though. Because all the NPCs were killed. When Bitch Girl is odd one out and just passes, don't think that was the old man's plan to exit the game? He's talking about the Marbles one. Well, yeah. I mean, he wouldn't have died. Well, he would have been given the same treatment, presumably he would have made it to the next game because he was the odd one out. Yeah. Reminder that a black market isn't some kind of magical place that leaves no trace of anything going on, not to mention interfacing with the outside. That's pretty much part of our criticism. We already know that's true. It's just, this seems like so many. It frustrates me that front man was like, I don't care if you're selling these organs, just don't breach the equality thing of the system. It's like, what do you mean you don't care? You must care. You absolutely should care. Yeah, principle. Not just from the aspect of it jeopardizes the whole game, but principally you would think that you'd have a problem with them getting rich and taking advantage over the deaths of the underprivileged, should we say. But then again, the principles of the Game Master guy are very wonky. It's definitely a negative of the show. I just, people see it as like a cool thing that he's like, I don't care about that. I'm just like, it's not cool, it's stupid. It's really stupid. You should really care. You should be like, don't fucking do organ transfers in the middle. Who are you even? I need the names of the people that you've been interacting with, you know? You guys have shit to do. It's amazing that we can even pull this off at all. North Korean organ harvesting people, and you're like these weird dudes in pink suits keeping, assuming that maybe they changed their clothes with the scuba gear and stuff. I don't know, there's still enough, there's tracing there, right? Like they'd probably be able to find out where they're fucking coming from, especially if it's regularly done. Do they ever shower the pink suit people? I'm sure they have shower areas, yeah. I don't know if they have showers in the rooms, the little stand, like stand-up ones. I assume they have communal like shed showers. Maybe. They can't see the faces, they have to wear the masks while they're showering. They wear the hats while they're showering. They might have showers with cubicles or something. Yeah, because we saw them at toilets. Maybe the showers for masks. Yeah, they must, I would have thought they would have individual showers, but I don't know, maybe not. The toilet has a mask. It might be like a hospital situation kind of thing, where there's like one shower per like 10 people or something. That's hostile. Rags not hostile. Yeah, you're getting your words confused again. You're getting all confused there, buddy, but you're all right. We got you. Give you a little pat on the head until you know where you are. I do know where I am, but someone asked me just to be sure, are you on American time or are you studying abroad? The two genders, I understand, but I'm on American time. Yes, I'm not studying abroad. Well, I do look at porn here and then, but apart from that, no, I'm definitely on American time. That seemed like a more obvious joke. You took ages to get there, but you got there. No, no, no, no, no. I did the two genders one along the way. I did the... I thought the three genders were cats, dogs, and Hitler. Cats, dogs, and Hitler. It's amazing how I'm actually Hitler. I'm not really... I'm actually not a dog like you'd think, so... It's... Yeah, for adding to your law like that, Rags, people won't forget. That's why Fringy doesn't let anyone add to his law. I will, yeah, because I'm already doing a good enough job botching it. See? Here, cats, dogs, and Hitler. All right. You guys know what it would ever show up by the sand. Good one. I can't show it because it's a stupid way that Ethan thinks he's working right now. Why? Why? Why? Cats, dogs, and... What? That was funny. Just Google cats, dogs, and Hitler. It's like this third result. There you go, chat. If you want to see what we're looking at. What's... What's interesting is that cats, the world of our feline friends, dogs, a man's best friend, Hitler. And I can't even see the little... The blurb underneath it. It's just a little too blurry. I'll be so curious. Hitler, man's best friend. Tagline for Hitler. All right. His dog, Hitler, had a nowhere. Why is this a super chat? All right. Do you think George Floyd died because he was black? That? Not really something we cover on ePAP. I think, yeah, it's probably a combination of a lot of things, but I don't know if that's it. This one just says facts. I imagine it regards something. No idea which thing. I ran the math. Main character had a 98% chance of surviving across the glass step, ignoring the pushes. The first few players had a 1 in 100 million chance. Yeah, that glass game's dumb. I hate it. Well, it's, um... If it ran as it was supposed to, and what I mean by that is no one pushes each other. Not that that's necessarily how it's supposed to run, but if it just ran as you're just, you know, you're dumb and you do it, it's like... It's not a particularly interesting game, is it? No, it isn't. No, it isn't. Because it's just what are you going to do? Do you choose this one or that one? And one of them kills you. Isn't that fun? Fun fact. I do like a little, I guess, series where I look at the content that passes... Well, what passes for content on BuzzFeed nowadays? On my second channel. And this episode isn't out yet. This is scheduled. I think this is next week's episode. But there is a... I looked for some squid game stuff on BuzzFeed, and found they'd done a simulation of the glass game, of the glass bridge game on BuzzFeed, and I was like, what the fuck could this be? And I clicked it, and it literally is just 28 consecutive pick A or B, and then it will tell you if you survived or died. That's... But someone took the time out to make that. You know what, maybe that sums up why that game's kind of shit, actually. That probably didn't take too long to make, because it's basically just flip a coin 28 times. Did you call it, right? 28 times? No, you didn't fucking do it, because that's just statistically practically impossible. Yeah, the game is really only interesting because of... I know this may sound a little bit silly, but it's only interesting because of the characters, right? And you might be like, isn't that the same for all of them? I'm gonna say, well, I actually think green light, red light, is kind of interesting regardless. The marbles one is obviously more interesting because of the character dynamics, I would suppose, but I guess what I mean with the gloss one isn't necessarily because of the interactions of characters, most so just because we care about these people. Don't want to see them die at that point. Red light, green light, we only really care about one guy at that point. So, yeah, I have... Like, when I first watched the show, I think the gloss Steppy Soaps thing, I remember having issues with it, but at this point, I think I kind of hate it. I really evolved my position on that one. I cat about the ultimate during red light, green light. That's fair. The problem is they were only harvesting organs from people who were still alive. Red light, green light killed them before they could harvest them. That explains why they were worried, I guess, about the results of... Because they said everyone was shot in red light, green lights, we couldn't harvest them. But the thing is everyone was shot in basically all the games. Didn't they harvest from the honeycomb game? That's also a stupid line that shooting someone would mean that you can't harvest their organs. Well, maybe I don't know if I harvest the organs. You never harvested any organs? No, so I guess the point is like, if red light, green light means there's a definitive amount of time before they'd be able to touch the bodies for harvesting, maybe that necessarily... You'd think one of the people would still kind of be alive, not maybe not alive, but even then, they didn't have... They had ages until they could get to the bodies after the other games as well. Maybe the ones who died last, or then they're still the ones they got to put them in the boxes and then you have to send it down the chute and get it all prepped and that sort of thing. I could have sworn with how the dialogue was written that the implication was that the organs were ruined by the gunshots, not that they couldn't... Yeah, that's what I thought. Which didn't make any sense to me because falling from such a great height would surely damage more of your organs than getting shot would. Yeah. I don't know, man. I just didn't like... The organ harvesting whole thing, it really annoyed me. And to be fair, I don't usually like to make pacing arguments, but whenever he fucking showed up, I was like, no, go back to my characters. People I care about, please. Yeah, it's like ocean analysis all over again. Go away. That's not a pacing argument as much as it says... Here's a thing that I just don't care about and slowing me down. So to broaden it out, it was affecting me in the same way that bad pacing does where I was like, I'm immersed, I'm getting into it. It's all like breaks, breaks, hit the breaks. Gotta wait now until you can see more. Yeah, but that wouldn't be a pacing issue if you cared about both stories. Yeah, but pacing is super subjective. Most people, when they complain about pacing, someone else would be like, no, it was well-paced and it could literally just mean that they care or don't care. Pacing's an odd one. It's generally one that you can explain, but it's an odd one. The way I've usually gone with pacing is information per time, but the problem is that we can have a lot of things that take some time to tell us simple information and it's not necessarily a bad thing at all. I don't know. I think if we want to talk about pacing, that would be the Halloween apocalypse where they just shove something on the screen every few seconds because it seems to think that you're going to get bored if they don't. When they just don't need to do that at all. But I can totally see a Doctor Who fan being like, that's really well-paced because it keeps me engaged. Yeah, I'm not denying the subjectivity of it. And what I'm saying is that it seems strange to say that it's badly paced simply because the thing that it's cutting to is something that you don't care about or is bad? Well, to be fair, my first time through, I didn't know where it was going, so I was still absorbing it, but I wanted my characters back and that was like a show that just goes on pause every time this happens. I mean, I did wonder if it was a secondary story with characters as good as Guyan and Aldman and Andrew. Like, if you would have had the same reaction, it's I guess what I'm saying. Maybe, because it would just turn on my immersion levels with the main cast versus whatever the B-plot was even if I cared about it. Which to be fair, like I said, I kind of did. I wanted to see where it was going and I assumed foolishly that it would be necessary, like it would be important to the A-plot. Uh-huh, full. Ken, after Squid Game's a decent enough example, can you have pacing that becomes bad retroactively? I think the pacing is so complicated that it could have been there the whole time or switched at any point depending on your... It's so tough. So many people will say something's badly paced and never feel the need to qualify because if they do it gets... I think I covered this in my ukulele videos. People say like the game was poorly paced and the argument was at the end of each level there's like a quiz portion and so you want to play the game, you don't want to fucking play the quiz and I was like, okay, so it's paced excellently because you have like a full level of solving puzzles and stuff and then you get a little quiz that regards each of the things that you did in the map to break up the pieces of gameplay and that includes like the arcade options which are mini-games that are done in a completely different style. I was like, so how does this pacing argument work? Because everyone seemed to agree it was badly paced but the reasoning was fucking crap. I think Far Cry 5 might be a good example of bad pacing where you are... Fringy, you played Far Cry 5, right? I did, I reviewed it. I think you might know what I'm talking about. Well, tell me what you're thinking about. Well, my thoughts are that in Far Cry 5 you're playing the game having a gale time and things are wonderful and all's right with the world and then you hit... You do enough things and a story bar fills up and then regardless of what you're doing it's a story mission time. Yeah, and you get locked in. You get locked in, that's right. Which is kind of annoying. It's good to have choices in terms of what you want to do. Yeah, there's no go here for the story mission. It's, oh, you've played, you've done enough things now. Well, regardless of what happens now, you are now going to be in a story mission in ways that don't make any universe sense and it certainly is very jarring out of universe especially if you're in the middle of something playing your game and you're getting sucked away. Yeah, I remember that, actually. Seems to me that all pacing complaints are broadened into a flow becoming jarringly changed. I think so. Like it just seems to be that's what kind of people are going for because regarding Squid Game, right, when I'm listening to characters explaining their backstories and having interactions, then we cut over to the organ plot and I don't even know what information I'm gaining. Like my information per time, like as I said, I have how I typically try and rate it, is like flowing real well with the A plot and then we go to the fucking stupid plot and I'm like, great, I got zero now for a little while. I don't even know what it's leading to or any of it means, none of it has like significant, or like reasonable consequence and stuff like that. So it fucked the pacing for episode five specifically for me because especially on rewatch, when I was, was it with you and Metal? Right, because I find it hard to shut the fuck up when that's happening because I can't help but complain. Could have been Fringy, I don't know. We'll drink it. Maybe? It's that I really don't like that episode for that because I love when they're talking about like that night, they're all staying up with each other. There's little bits of character being developed while also broader conversations are happening. It's super interesting. But then they're like, now back to Organland and they're like, remember when one of them was like a zombie? Wait, was that a zombie? What did you do with them? Why would you ask that person? You were there. Wait a minute, are you a naughty little naughty no-no person? Hey guys, stop chit-chatting. Okay. All right. And then it gets back to the A plot. You're like, oh, thank fuck, now we can back to watching the show. Yeah, back to the actual stuff. It would be it would be really nice to be, if you, if it was about a bunch of characters we didn't care about, but it seemed like in some way it kind of interacted with the A characters. Yeah, like you could have all the guards be anonymous, but they were certain guards that actually were kind of influencing something about our A list of characters. That would certainly help. Frontman scenes, I probably would have been fine with it because I'd expect it would matter. He could be more of a character than a lot of the others could in that sense. If we take out all the Detective Plotline time and put it all into Frontman, that'd be great. Imagine a whole episode where there isn't even a game runs, but it's all from the POV of Frontman. He's trying to keep things fair, he's taking care of his staff, he's trying to make sure the games are well moderated. This is a, like there, like he's clearly, like he's a monstrous person in a way, but there's some semblance of, I'm trying to do some principle thing here with this system. Or maybe the VIPs want it this way, but I have my code of honor or whatever or my set of ethics, and I'm going to try and keep the games going according to that and do my best to try and keep things within the realm of VIP enjoyment. I would like to see it be like that he is a, like that he's running, like he's treating it like he's running a fine restaurant, where maybe, and I mean, you have to redo the VIP's characterization as well, because come on, but- Oh, we don't have a problem with that. So, you know, isn't that just, just as a natural, just like I assume naturally everyone agrees with that, we don't need to justify that. But like, I like the idea that he's running it essentially in the same way that you might run a fine restaurant for like incredibly rich people, where like you care about fairness in the same way that like if you're running the restaurant, you might care that like, all your waiters have like their shirts tucked in properly. Well, like the guests, they might not even give a shit about that individually, but it's still like something that is indivisible from like delivering a quality product. Yeah, you have to care about the food that you're serving and the presentation of the food, and you have to, all of these things, the place has to be well taken care of. He wants them to, you know, clean up the place, no stains and to sweep and no dust gathering, and it needs to be very nice and tidy. I'm like some of the rich people there, some of the rich people there might not even give a shit about any of that, but like it still has to be maintained. Yeah, this is my restaurant. This is a reflection of me. Yeah, because they hold it to a standard. I'm in charge of it. Yeah, and give little clues that it does get to him a little bit, maybe at the end of his episode, at the end of the day, takes the mask off and it's like... Maybe he gets so fed up, he kills one of the VIPs who just, he does everything. He does all of this stuff. He works so hard on the VIPs just to... He's in it for the totally wrong reason. He just wants to see bloodshed and barbarism in this, in our front man, is he's not about that. That's not the thing that's important, and it pisses him off so much that he ends up killing one of the VIPs just out of the frustration and anger. I'm not sure that I'm happy with him killing one of the VIPs. Could be, yeah. We'd have to generate quite the scenario, I'd imagine, of the VIP really... Maybe. That could... Well, that would be like a huge thing for the show that it gets to that point. Well, yeah, I mean, that feels like a season 203 thing. Yeah, maybe, yeah. Or it could be, just during this one, front man's running low on patience, not just in terms of running the stress of it all, but also the ethics of it all, maybe. Yeah, like the VIPs are unruly customers who are rude and impossible to please, and they complain about everything, and he just... He's like, he turns into... Maybe over time, he turns into more of a Sander Cohen type. Or isn't that the thing... So gone. No, that's pretty much it. Isn't that the thing where, statistically speaking, the more monetarily successful you are, the more likely you are to have mental health problems? That's the thing, isn't it? Is it? I don't know. I think it's a thing, but I don't have a source for it. Either way, there is a big... I know there is a big mental health crisis with monetarily very successful people. I'm fairly confident on that. I have no clue if they're rich or more. Cuckoo, I'm not sure. I would find it interesting to explore... Like the front man is just... Like he's really successful, and it's not made him happy at all, but he's still just powering on. I don't know. Because this is how he makes his money now. The direction we could go is, he doesn't actually have much money at all, but he just adores this job for whatever reason. Because remember he's... Back to cringe honor again? That's a bizarre comment to pull from everything we've said. What did they say, sorry? They said, back to cringe honor again. Cringe honor. About what? Cringe on this dick. Oh ho ho. No, I'm genuinely curious. What are they talking about? I don't know. I assume it's the idea that the front man has a set of principles and ethics that he wants to... That he holds that are personally important to him. Yeah, that's what I'm actually thinking. Yeah, that is a part of his character that influences his behavior. Yeah, I'd be really on board with giving him principles he goes by, but simultaneously allow him to exist in a world like this, organizing a world. Absolutely. This is his way to try and shape the world or something like that. Yeah, because remember when we look at where he lives, I know it could have just been a front, but I still like the idea maybe that he's like super minimalist, he's spotting, if you will. Yeah, this is his focus. He is his career, and this is his... He devotes his life to this, essentially. It's very, very important to him. And if we didn't want to follow him necessarily one-to-one, we could have... He has a protégé. He could be an older guy who knows that he can't do this forever. So he has someone that he is grooming, training to be the next him, in a sense, and that could be our POV character. That could be a great way to do that, yeah. The POV episode is him training the person who's going to take over for him because this is his last squid game, you know? Yeah, it's like this, yeah. He's been like, listen, I need you. One day I won't be here to do this, and I can't afford to have all of this be in the hands of some lunatic. In the way that he... Yeah, that's maybe the words he used. He doesn't see himself as a strange, crazy person. He wants to protect this. He likes structure in order to all of this sort of thing. He kind of like what the potential for the... Who is the John Wick character? Winston was at his name? Kind of that you have that sort of kind of character. Not the way he became, but I guess the best aspects of Winston. Yeah. We're not animals, we're civilized people. This is to learn a lesson. This is whatever reasons. Do you agree, Fringy? It's just an interesting number to face. Which one is? Which of all of that? I've listened to all of the observations, all right? I don't have a favorite of all of them. I still have everything that's been floated. I do see him most as like the head chef at a fine restaurant kind of a vibe for him, as in like he runs a very tight ship. And it's all about maintaining a high standard. But we're making him anti-organ harvesting, okay? Exactly. He's like a bizarre version of Gordon Ramsay, yeah. Is it like... I don't think that you need to specify that in terms of I feel that most master chefs would not approve of organ harvesting happening in that kitchen. That's literally the whole thing. That's what actual chefs do. They do care about organ harvesting kind of. So... There's a lot you could do. I think it'd be very interesting to explore that. And all of this would be better than the detective subplot. Yeah, anything, because it's not anything. It's literally the show on pause whenever he shows up. Yeah, it doesn't even lead to anything. In retrospect, if we ever watched it together again, I'd be like these are the we can talk sections. Yeah, this is go to the bathroom. This is, yeah, get something out of the freezer for later. This is check the chicken in the oven time, that sort of thing. It is actually baffling how much screen time the detective has. And it's like describe his character. He is... Dumb, lucky... I was actually going to show it like... I was actually going to show it like... Like traits that add to his motivation. You're like, I guess he's kind of a good guy. He seems to be an important find his brother than to save all the people. Yeah. He doesn't even necessarily have to be a good guy. This is what I mean, he's such a black slate. Video game main character, protagonist material. Yeah. Like, I don't... I do genuinely feel that you could replace like his part with like you could make a squid game video game and it's about the cop's story and there's like a few missions you play through infiltrating the base. And he's literally, he's literally, yeah, stealth missions. He's a mute, you play as a mute character as in many video games you do and you wouldn't lose anything. In fact, you'd gain some pretty rad gameplay. As you can see, he gets a pretty cool gameplay. So that's that. I'd actually play the fuck out of a stealth infiltration squid game video game. Well, it could be that you play the games in the day and then at night you play as him going around sneakily trying to discover stuff. Maybe, I don't know. Might be a real fun. This is a bit of a tangent, but how many... Have we, have we done any of the super chats in this stream? Nope. At this rate, we're gonna end up with more than we start. We're gonna have them catch up on catch ups, potentially. We... Yep, so anyway, the resignation is like... The next, the next, uh... This is our lives. Well, we're at five hours, so yeah, doing great. Let me, actually let me take something out of the freezer real quick. I'll be right back. It's in a planet because I'm already hungry. Just watch there. A surprise stream? Moly, you shouldn't have. I need time to schedule 12 hours of e-fapping. Also, hello rags. When will you be dropping another vid? I'll, I'll read that out again in just a moment. Don't worry. The detective should also have been like ex-backups. He's just a young Korean detective, not solid snake. He would have gotten found out in an instant. Yeah, we've talked about this as well. Just the idea of a veteran detective who's been searching for this place for ages. And this is the time that he finally gets enough leads that he decides to go there. And you know, you have the, the boss being like, Frank, let you gotta get off this case. It don't exist, okay? You're making it all up. And he's like, but chief. Chief, please. Yeah, I'm actually too like American cops just working career. That'd be great. Frank, is that the sound that you were making? What sound? Excellent. This says, when will you be dropping another vid? Also, hello rags. Hi there. So I guess at the start of the stream, I mentioned I got a Vegas 19. I actually installed it during our stream here because I needed that to do some stuff. And there is, so using that now will help. I'm still kind of lining up some, I don't know. I'm trying to give a long answer, but I don't know. Hopefully I'll have a battlefield video in the next couple days because I've got a compiled list of things. Won't be anything fancy, but I got a couple things to cover. I found a review for battlefield 2042 that's, they give it a five out of five. And that game's like a three maybe out of 10. This game's like, this, this review's like, no, five stars out of five stars. And it was bizarre. So I might cover that. They just talking over this and peeps. That makes a lot of sense because I'd be, well, I don't know if I'd be useless with covering that. But I mean, well, based on some of the things in it, maybe I'd have to read it more carefully, but it would be a nice little recording to just give everyone the link to the article to read some of the bizarre things this person says about battlefield, even if you haven't played it. Or is it one of those where you can tell the arguments are rough, even if you have no idea about the context? It's like, why did, why is this person, it's, it's one of those, why is this game journalist to game journalist articles? Like is this just where- Give me a game journalist article. Yeah, like a game journalist article pretty much. Reminder, Battlefield 2042 has an 80 critic score out of 100 and a 2.6 out of 10 from players. So that means for every 70 the game got, someone else gave it a 90. Were there any marketing issues for this one or was this strictly mechanically that they frustrated? Marketing, I don't think it's necessarily a marketing issue. Like I don't think people feel lied to explicitly. It's just content barren compared to other Battlefield games. Kind of like Battlefield 5 had, you know? Was it 5? Oh, like there's no, like, oh, no, not in that sense. They didn't have the weird controversy, you know, the cyborg women on the front lines in a World War II game. And if you don't like it, don't buy it. No, I want my daughter, blah, blah, blah, blah. There wasn't any of that. The game's just horrifically bad and it was already had a pretty controversial beta. And it's just a really, really bad game. Um, and I'm not going to, and I've already seen it in chat, but bugs are the least of that game's problems. Is it buggy? Yes. I almost say the bugs are good because at least I can fucking enjoy something. But man, the bugs are not the biggest problem with this game. It's like a core bad design philosophy and lack of content and total step back, total regression for Battlefield, essentially. I mean, some of all this I've been, I've been scrolling down and just having a very interesting time with my pre-existing Google search for Cat's Dogs Hitler. I can see, yeah. I love that Grand Theft Auto 3. Yeah, the car gets bigger as you wiggle around. Let's have a look at this. It gets bigger. I can't believe where it is. This is the star. This is one of the most bizarre glitches I've ever seen in a game. How does that even happen? That sounds like a error. Physically, it's bigger. Something like a cheat code glitch or something that you'd want to force if you had to play it with the game. You know, not like a... Like the wheels turn into ovals and it just gets wider and wider and bigger. How does that happen? Has anyone compiled a list of like all the shit in that game yet? Because I gotta imagine somebody's doing it. Probably. And you know what? That's the star. It's too late. It'll get done faster than any of the playtests has ever would have done it for Rockstar. So... I'm really... Yeah, that... Yeah. I don't get it. I sometimes wonder about that. Like the power of the fan base. I know it's not very... It's pretty slimy as a thing, but if you were just like, you know, we're releasing this, just give us a list, work together, community, find every problem and tell us what you want. That sort of shit. Because I mean, people who are passionate about the game, they're gonna play the fuck out of it and then get you all the information you need. Yeah. Maybe just use that to your... What am I talking about? They probably are. I imagine that there's someone who's looking at these forums being like, oh, God. I mean, it's not like they would outwardly state that that was their plan if it was, is it? True. It's better off not doing that. But I mean, at the same time... I don't know if I made a Battlefield video like an hour ago. Sorry? Tonald made a Battlefield video like an hour ago. I need to check that out. His videos are really good at the moment. Like genuinely really good. At the moment. The man is just... I was like, they've improved is what I'm saying with that. We talked about this with him. I think he really did improve. He did. I'm just, I'm still appreciating it. I like that the lodging made a lot of sense. He was, wasn't doing it because he wanted to, he was doing it because it was the smart thing to do. The reign of terror of his like style is over on the YouTube algorithm. Video essays are still going though. Yeah. But for how long now that all these memes are starting to come to make in front of the whole format? I don't know. I've been meaning them well for like this four Giddels. Like the... Like there's still a... I imagine that's something that's not going to depopularize anytime soon. This, because I think they're more popular typically as a genre than long form. His long form was being shat on recently as being like, who would do this? It's like... You have things to say. I have nothing to say. I have nothing to say but editing. You say has that always been the case? Has that always been the case with long form with people shat on it? Depends. Mathematosis was highly respected and it was so rare like H-bomber guy or different. It was so rare and so passionate that I think whenever they came out people would be like, oh wow you know you've done loads of work but then more and more people started doing it. And especially when I started doing it it became like more of a like you're obsessed. You're lame. And like it's getting around now. I really like seeing lots of like seven hour nine hour fully edited videos. It's like that's neat. You can't wait till it's back in Vogue again. Because you know that when someone does that even Quinton with iCarly you know when it happens that they're probably going to have found stuff that nobody else has found because they're actually doing the work. Yeah. They're passionate, right? And it's much harder to make fun of it on a level. Oh, I don't know. It just seems like people don't have the tools to understand how shitty the 10 minute video essays are because they're just like it's so good so slick and stylish. There was one that we watched making fun of them on the last EFAP and it's just so perfectly being like you like these motion graphics? Hopefully they distract you long enough to you don't realize how shit the script is. Oh my god, I love you. We have that so much with Mark Brown listen to what exactly he says. Instead of just looking at his cool graphics. You'll hear those videos they don't listen. Yeah. It's a shortcut to the you know the the the near of quality. It's crazy shortcut where you listen to what they say. Look the arrow tracks the thing that you could see. Isn't that an amazing video? When you press the button you jump. When you hold the button you jump longer. This is like a grenade where you hit it and then you hold it down you hook it. That's the secret of Mario's jump. Oh it's a part one of sorts. Part one of sorts. We'll still wait for that part two Mark. Still waiting. You just have little arrows and a little dotted line where they jump when you're saying it and then boom you're the best ever. You're very insightful. I do sometimes wonder if we're like the only people on earth that ever criticized Mark Brown because he's so inoffensive. Like I think everyone's just baffled by the idea because I guess he just doesn't have the same thing as Jenny but Jenny has that where people like why in the world would anyone criticize Jenny Nicholson? It's like. She's wrong as fuck. People have shitty opinions sometimes I don't know. Crazy. Yeah get off a hook because you're inoffensive. Absolutely. I find it frustrating that that's what the video I say sort of genre relied on is that no one would come after me. I'm just sharing my harmless opinion about a movie. Like yeah but you're shitty. You're job. Yee. Yee. Yee. Yee. No. Whoa. What do you think of that Fringy? What what what do you mean like what else is there to add on to that? It's it's interesting. I always find it. It's funny. Stop. Stop saying it's funny it's not. Just it is interesting that there is almost. I just I don't know. I find it bizarre that the framing of a position you have often influences people's perception of you a lot more than what you actually say. You know like if you if you say something you can say something that is actually incredibly offensive but if you say it in a tone that's less hostile people won't register it. Meanwhile you can say something that's totally innocuous but doing in a somewhat harsh way and people will respond very negatively to it. I find it annoying and I guess I also find it annoying yeah the whole thing of I'm just you know like it's it's opinionated to have a negative opinion but it's not. I guess it doesn't even apply to a lot of these instances because you know there are instances where work is being shit on but for some reason it gets hardcore defended. Yeah. Yeah because I think we talked to us recently but I'm more annoyed if I say blue is a pretty neat color and then someone says you hate all of the colors. I find that more annoying than if they had said what do you think of red then you idiot. Yeah exactly. Like because I mean I'd be confused why they call me an idiot for liking blue. But there's something to grapple with there. It's like I can ignore idiot I just feel like okay yeah well you know blah blah but just when they it feels to me like oh we're not having a conversation you're just here to annoy me. Well and which is funny because optically it comes across reverse the audience is like you just said idiot that means you're a bad person now. Just feels bizarre to me it just reminds me of the whole thing of people getting really antsy when you say fuck. Conversely somebody can say something that is infinitely crueler but they won't say it as harshly and they won't swear and then it just doesn't register. I genuinely hope that you die. Fuck you. Well don't be so mean. Right exactly I mean that's. Watch your language. A more reasonable example I would say is if someone said your entire like career is based on vapid innocuous like assessments that really just show how hypocritical you are and how much of a poor understanding of morality you have and you go wow fuck you and then they go oh okay someone can't take criticism. Oh yeah I love that one. Oh yeah the whole I mean think about how many people on the planet legitimately believe that if you don't believe a certain thing you're going to be tortured for eternity and that's just fine just don't like don't show a tit. I like booby. I like that you respond to all that with oh you're an idiot and someone's like whoa and blew a gasket bro. Yeah being told your life all the work you've ever done is like worthless. Like that's pretty that's pretty. Well it's just the whole yeah exactly it's the whole thing of I mean it's one of the like a racial slur is not going to get to me as much as a character attack because a racial slur using that as a pejorative is just stupid. So it's more about you than me but. Well exactly it's like you have you have X attribute that you didn't choose and is irrelevant to your character but it makes you a worse person. Yeah that's what's basically the same as saying you're short. Yeah it's like you have blue eyes okay as opposed to a character attack or something and that is like oh that's me like that's far worse to be called a liar or a coward. The attack if someone attacks like an immutable aspect of you in that way the only way I feel it's going to feel like hurtful to you is if you feel that you get the impression that there is like actually power behind that sentiment is in yeah yeah or they or their in group has like some kind of power over you to enact their views and I guess the thing would be that the shitty aspect is not the insult itself it's more what is surrounding the insult. Which is true yeah that's obviously you know you get called a racial slur on Twitter it's going to be a different story as you get called a racial slur by like five dudes in a dark alley. Yeah well alternatively getting called a racial slur and I don't know like 1920s Missouri or something at the middle of the night while people are chasing you be worrying yeah like you know it's but in that case it's the context surrounding it rather than specifically the language. I was about to say I think I was like if someone was like your critiques are really shit and it just they show how vacuous you are and it's like some like big dude in a dark alley I feel like I would be less concerned. You have so many subsequent questions oh you see my work wow okay I feel like you know I'd be less worried about this issue I feel like oh I'm sorry that you feel that way. I think I'm thinking about this subject now because I read it in a Tony Robbins book about the idea that certain people will respond differently some people are more visually inclined and you know some people are more inclined to audible cues and then some people just basically go off vibes and it feels like the whole tone versus what you actually say is just I don't know a feature of people who are more inclined to like judge you based on your tone. The saying is something like you won't remember what you said or remember how you made them feel. Yeah that's yeah that probably cuts more to it how how you made them feel is like the most important part because then you have those conversations where it's like dude did you hear what I said like you know your reaction does not align with what I've said but it aligns with the tone that you pulled from it right um and I guess I guess that might just be a matter of um optics at that point um if you you know in the same way there's that Oscar Wilde quote right of like you know you tell I kind of butcher this one but it's along the lines of if you're going to tell people the truth you've got to be funny or they'll kill you essentially so it's like you know the George Carlin stick of making an observation that's true but he'd get in a lot more trouble for it if he hadn't been funny about it um and so that's almost like developing tactics for how to get your points across most effectively how should you approach it should you swear here should you dial it in should you try and be comedic and coax it in comedy and that's part of the skill of uh I guess communicating and conveying information very context sensitive who you're speaking to as well and where I guess uh yeah naturally like um you know you're not going to get into a heated debate I don't know like if your mum walks in and you know you know I really enjoyed um I really enjoyed um Sean Chi it's like oh holy shit all right so what do you think about the dragons from the other dimension you fucking like you know that's not gonna play out very well well yeah I imagine you guys are all the same as me in real life when someone just says like oh yeah fucking TLJ master oh yeah I'm getting into fights with people about like these movies you might have a difficult time convincing the afghans about the plight of the homosexual it might be uh it takes some work but in a more no I just gotta like it's try it I love it have you tried have you tasted it taste the first give it a go first two scoops or one I guess it's really lame to think about though that um that whether or not you're correct is uh I wouldn't even say secondary but tertiary to how you communicate it you know the fact that you're correct might make them upset well you know yeah I guess it's it's just um debate tactics and stuff like that and rhetorical tactics are often really significant in terms of being able to convince people of something rather than I don't yeah I don't I don't know that human beings could be described as rational in the way that a robot is where they just be presented with the arguments is like well I've weighed up the arguments and this is the more compelling one of the two well yeah I mean um lawyers right like it's not about presenting the evidence necessarily it's how you present it um what you say I mean of course it's the evidence as well but you're right there is uh there is an element yeah yeah right um or necessarily I think is what I said but it's like a lot of people would just say that uh like Johnny Cochran is the reason that OJ got off right uh frango well yeah I guess um right like the the idea that you can have one key piece of information presented in a way that is um almost overriding yeah he um because I think people spoke like a preacher and he would be very emotionally appealing um well yeah because emotional appeals and stuff that's that's part of the you know that's that's a fact on the job um because ultimately you are appealing to people who are going to be making these decisions um but I don't know that there's any changing that except to have robots again like make these decisions maybe that's the best way to run law for now and the robot prosecute and robot defense and you can only plug in evidence I feel like you wouldn't even need a robot anything you just have one computer that just weighs everything you know I mean they are the the nature of the they have suits and everything they're not yeah one suggesting is the nature of the way that they're created means that they cannot use rhetoric they can only use right they can only present facts I guess it's interesting because at school we did uh in English we would have um when we uh talked about um I think they called it exposition that's what they called the specific topic and it was a lot of it was about presentation how do you how do you create an argument that is convincing I mean it's part it's part of what debating is right you get assigned the um I mean like you know competitive debating like in school and stuff you would be assigned the subject and so your job is to simply present the most compelling argument for that side regardless of whether you believe it or not um that that that is a that's a focus of um of a lot of uh of a lot of people's lives essentially these things I think I mentioned before like I remember doing that for the death penalty I had to argue in favor of it and I like won easily but I remember feeling like the amount of emotional arguments you can make so easy um the audience that just weighs based on that I remember god I remember there was uh because I did that debate um but I didn't take it very seriously like uh because they had the meet the the meetings to figure it out during lunchtime and a lot of the time I'd be like fuck I want to like I want to hang out with my friends I don't want to I don't want to do that um and then there was the one time when we had the debate I can't remember what the topic was but I remember I got awarded the best speaker for that one and the reason cited was it seemed like you didn't know what you were talking about but you still made a really like you know that it came across like you didn't quite know what you were talking about but you still presented all of these arguments and I remember just sitting there like yeah I didn't I didn't do any prep the reason why you think it was that way is because it was that way it didn't do any that was that was praise that they presented it was it was praise because it seemed like I get why it's praise I hadn't prepared shit but I'd still gotten up there and done the presentation um I think that's uh I think that's um why I got like there was no prep but I still got up there and presented the arguments anyway um the the rest of the people were not happy I could tell that even as a little 11 year old me that the uh the other people were not happy about um that fact that I got that little award it feels a little it feels a little shit though that like even as a kid you could observe that people have pissed that you won something yeah I was gonna say oh no no no I meant the parents I meant I meant like the adult I noticed that the adults weren't happy about that oh okay like they they trained their kid a whole bunch and they worked with them a lot and this little lazy ass they saw that they weren't taught but then I just yeah a little bit the rags already knows the truth of this situation I didn't win for no reason there was a reason cited like I said I mean if the reason includes it seemed like you didn't know what you're talking about like I think it was it seemed like you hadn't done any prep that might have been the uh the actual compliment were there multiple awards not one of them because I would wonder about that was the award for speaker of the night yeah I would contest that if I was one of the judges I'd be like why the fuck are we rewarding the kid who didn't do any prep well if you didn't do any prep but you still put up really good arguments yeah fuck that that shouldn't be the only thing that matters um well it might not be the only thing that matters but it's like a really interesting contributor I just I would be concerned that we are setting a precedent that people be like wait so the prep doesn't even fucking like why do we bother with that uh yeah I guess but I mean you can't be taken that award from me you know like what's up what's up in given it the little big goblin wins because of its charm my opening presentation was not it's funny it didn't start with that that's a new shit you know it's funny god I can't even remember what the topic was um damn was it like only fans yay or nay no this was well before that era AOL fans I saw somebody chat say most capable sophist that probably would have been the app's way to describe what I did essentially wouldn't necessarily be sophistry right it could just be that you lacked bonus information yeah maybe depends on what kind of argument you're making I guess well I think I think it's just the thing of um I like a presentation style where it doesn't seem like you did a shit ton of prep I like it when it seems like you're not reading directly from a script and that it is almost as though you got up walked on stage and just relayed a bunch of thoughts that you had as opposed to the very tightly structured um like here's your topic you're on now go um more conversational I think is what I mean uh it doesn't yeah I don't know at the speech yeah I don't I don't like structured debates myself really I just want two people no I don't need that not anymore I want people to just get up there and talk yeah I don't like the whole you have two minutes and you have two minutes because if you say something that's stupid or that I disagree with I want to jump in straight away and I would expect the same if I said something stupid or disagreeable I got two minutes to spout out whatever shit I want well yeah because it's basically just gish galloping like there's a format yeah I still watch all kinds of debates these days and a lot of them I would say vast majority run the format of opening statement that can be a cap of five minutes and then free form and every time they do it I'm like the opening five minutes for both of you fucking waste of time because they're just gonna say a bunch of stuff that neither of you will leave an address you'll just go straight into the first argument as soon as it's free form well yeah I think I think a better way to do it would be state your position in like 20 seconds um don't don't have too much time I don't want you making arguments I want you stating your position so we know exactly where we stand and then we'll go from there there's a lot of people are there it's there's an irony I think I was about to say a lot of people are there really need caps and I feel like so we'll be like oh you're saying that I'd be like I am way more straightforward in an argument than I am in my videos because my videos are making billions of arguments pretty much I think the problem is I've watched too many debates where some guy talks for like five or ten minutes straight um and then the other person tries to respond they cut them off and then they go on another five to ten minute ramble yeah there's there's all kinds of that shit that happens and it's frustrating that's how we just want two people to focus focus focus focus well yeah go point by point um and I guess part of it as well is that when you have these debates on like on streaming platforms there's a uh an audience as well that people are gonna play to whereas you'd rather not have that uh ideally it is two people having a good fake discussion with one another but be rare these days yeah well yeah it's it's a it's a whole industry a whole industry well I mean yeah I'm assuming what you mean by that is the it's almost like beneficial to not do it that way um beneficial to everybody involved in a certain sense yeah um I guess it's the whole thing of ideally a debate is where you're trying to convince the other side but that's kind of not what it is you're basically trying to convince the audience yeah it sucks that it's not necessarily the information that's provided it's rhetorically usually like who came out looking stronger there often yeah um yeah like it's like wwe or something you know as opposed to weighing up the arguments the sides are already pegged for everybody there's the size of the audience that it's like I'm not sure about this one man there's not enough of those well I think we need to be more comfortable with accepting we don't know I think we need to become more accustomed to saying I don't know what yeah no I know how crazy is that don't you have an opinion on everything about that for you is I think people would vote this to be the last fucking podcast that would have made that point and it's like no no seriously I feel like we try really hard to stay in our lane well no I just think people have such crazy misconceptions about what we do here right what that there's like a lack of introspection when this is just commonly every frame and introspection the fact that like most people who hate this podcast will be like yeah they basically just spend the whole time seeing how right they are about everything it's like okay when a lot of the time you see us basically questioning our own perspective halfway through we're gonna argue with each other all the time we have constantly have to re-question things we've said were definitely true before because we're like wait a minute argue with ourselves all the time as well even when we're starting to be like wait no I don't agree with that and ironically one of the greatest tools you can have for your own self-growth is arguing with yourself oh I mean I think it's I think that uh I don't know that you arrive at a really good position if you don't often say what if I'm wrong about like everything everything I believe you know what and then try to figure out underlying principles and then battle them out with yourself try to find any um you know gaps in the um and the plating that need patching up you know any issues that need sorting out or even a whole part that needs replacing that's true but I don't always find that what if I'm wrong about everything is the necessarily the easiest way to like to enter that from is like you're entering a certain zone of thought there and I think you can enter it from a lot of different directions and thinking what if I'm wrong about all of this is only one of them what he was talking about wasn't necessarily you'd question every single thing it's the you draw no I know it means I'm like yeah what I what I mean is like um let's say that you are I don't know let's say that you have a take on uh I'm trying to pick something that's not contentious because I want to get to what I wanted to say before you get to an example was literally just going to be whatever you're currently concluding on you go let me draw that back to fit principles exactly matches yeah I do guess like yeah but it's like a lot of it is uh I was going through loads of examples is like no I guess you can sort of you can you can bring that back to it is what if I'm wrong it's like well what if that is this a contradiction within my values no that's just another way of saying no what what if I'm wrong yeah that's what he meant I think you know yeah and that's and well that's what I'm realizing as I was thinking this through I was realizing no I am wrong about this is that yeah there are lots of different angles you can come at it from but most of them essentially boil down to what if I'm wrong um yeah I guess an example would be let's say I don't know let's say you have the take lobbying is bad um just as a broad principle lobbying is bad um you couldn't stick to a comic book movie example you had to go to politics okay yeah no we'll go the problem is it's like I don't know what the underlying principle is gonna be for why I could I could do if you like three is bad yeah you you say okay yeah let's let's do that yeah Iron Man no um can I do that I've got a great example just waiting in the wings Captain America Civil War is bad um and then you've just arrived at this conclusion and then you sit down and go what do I think about the comic have I read it have I not and if I have does that color my perspective on this also who have I spoken to about this what information have I been exposed to about this um this film and from where what do I like and then you just start working backwards to go well hang on why do I think this because I've become so sure that I'm correct on this one but why do I think it and then once you work back from fundamentals you can then build up to realize whatever your position should be and maybe it's the same one maybe it's not we are never gonna finish super chats oh we already knew that anyway so okay I do my one now okay I've got a great one it's contemporary too so when we go it would be bad if Dark Oak slash Toby McGuire's Spider-Man if they were out of character and that's the way we're all just like yep and then he's like introspect a little there you usually draw it from sequels right is this necessarily because of multiverse like what kind of limits we're dealing with here how would this be rated if Toby were completely different and so with dr r dr octopus could it not be that they're drawn from multiverse and therefore you can't complain about that continuity wise like well one of our principles for defining that sort of thing is the whole idea with a sequel is it draws on you're expected to have information from the prior one to understand it and so it has to adhere to that information it can't contradict it but then could it still do that because it's multiverse and thus you rely on that information but this is a variant version so it's just tell like like the information is that it's that it is dark arc it is the guy from the ramy films but he's gonna be a little bit different because he's just a different version the multiverse version is that okay or is it not and like to be fair I don't fully have the answer this until I've seen the film because I need to see what they do and how they do it and what it's said to be um because it's really difficult at this point because adaptation versus sequel this is testing the limits of that at this point yeah so yeah trying to figure out why you have the yeah meanwhile uh high top has said like if he's a bad guy it's a bad film like oh okay yeah like you've accepted you've accepted something that it might be worthwhile to think wait hold on this is not just like a guaranteed thing this is not a definite conclusion to draw it it multiverse makes everything fucking complicated yeah yeah that's a better example that is brand new why because I genuinely have that question of myself I think about I'm just like how would I break that down with how I usually do things like this causes issues for me because I'm assuming as well we haven't seen Toby in a while well you you know they might they might make it so you know what if he's like Punisher Spider-Man which is like whoa what and everyone would be really upset because Toby ain't supposed to be like a Punisher Spider-Man at the same time is that a possibility because yeah multiverse I guess all of this is highlighting the point though that you're never gonna have it fully figured out um ever they'll always be like a new example but well I think that is the fun but it can be too easy to assume that you've reached the end point of this development on uh on any given topic um but it's always worthwhile to remember that there might be new information or things you haven't been exposed to arguments um information and that it's always a matter of rigorously testing your principles or positions or um metrics um methodology that there's always room for improvement that there is never an end point where it's like I am done developing as a person on any particular thing unless you're Captain Marvel right and then you're perfect and best is straight away this is funny I'm doing it literally right now I'm like so I hate uh Luke and TLJ because we didn't see what turned him into who he was meanwhile I like Luke in Return of the Jedi because we he goes through all of the trauma in Empire then there's a gap and we see the character that resulted from that like we we have all of the pieces to follow that piece of continuity all there was was a gap for him to just recover that's like how I've rated it but then last time I saw Andrew Garfield Spider-Man he'd lost Gwen and he'd essentially like lost her after betraying Captain Stacey's request and so that's affected him significantly I don't like Tasman too I'm doing my best here um he's it's the kind of thing that would affect someone significantly and so as a writer what would you be allowed to do if you skip forward 10 years could I portray him as having lost investment in being Spider-Man it's like maybe that's too far could we at least do he's more nihilistic about it all what if he lost that fight with Rhino and Rhino like killed a whole bunch of people or something and that's that's the idea you want to go with as a writer and then you're like what does that do to a person what would it do to Andrew Garfield Spider-Man and people wouldn't want to see him having lost faith but what if we have it so that he's pulled in and he's like I don't fucking do this shit and Toby and Tom are like what why and he you know they have a whole thing about that and you could easily have that be a strong dynamic and by the end he's he's you know much more enthusiastic about it and maybe something happens because he decides to put his life on the line you know you can make all these different stories and it's like what would be valid considering what's happened in his films but does that matter if it's multiverse could it just be that that's the way I want it to be and that's all I have to say is justifications like hmm right yeah just don't assume that the conclusion you come to straight away based on a gut feeling is worth anything just because it was the first thing you thought it might be that the first thing you thought was stupid or not that it's stupid but that there's missing information there are missing pieces maybe the gut feeling is correct but how you're articulating it right now is missing important information yeah we usually we draw it back to see if it matches core principles if it doesn't it's like is this core principle fucked or yeah if I made a mistake and something else you know and that can lead you to get some new principles that are even better alternatively you can ignore that and just have these contradictory beliefs well I just go from intuition I don't like Doc Ock being evil bad bad movie and it's funny because now it could you know like I hate the whole context thing like mean for me from the beginning and I'm sure you guys would agree let us let us see the context first it's like Dr. Strange has been character assassinated done it's like what if it's Mephisto well it's like oh Mephisto like well yeah you don't know you don't know it's a trailer like I don't know and also what if it's a lie what if it's a lie line that they put in there to trick you like even with trailer two it's not what I would call reassuring but we don't know trailer two has clearly have manipulated footage at it well yeah I mean well yeah the Marvel movies as a whole just do that right like infinity well remember whole yeah infinity wolf remember the last two with that well I don't know I don't want to I don't know I don't know if I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know if I'm gonna put on my conspiracy glasses this hard but like I almost feel that I mean have we talked about the Brazilian trailer here well we're gonna probably talk about it more on uh I did get murdered well don't worry rags it'll be fun if you don't know we'll do it on Saturday okay yeah well I guess my conspiracy might be I wonder if they did that on purpose I doubt it so that people would get so that people would just be like so that people would know well I don't want to rule it out that's why I said I doubt it um but it could be one guy in Brazil Sony who's like I'm gonna let this one shot stretch just a little bit too long well somebody's somebody's gone even further to identify that one of the shots in the trailer lines up with that leaked Andrew Garfield shot in terms of the placement of our railing and light so well you know what it is right everybody on fucking planet earth is like I know they'll be in it and then simultaneously they're like can I please have proof now yeah exactly and it's like you know I I swear they're not in it it's like I know they are but I just want you to say that they are well I'm just imagining the world now where they're not in it and it's like regardless one of them imagine like how much disappointment in the world there would be yeah that would be a lot it wouldn't matter how good your movie is it would be so fucking pissed that you bring in dark arc and Greek goblin but not tell people quiet as well um on top of that I mean what people also haven't don't seem to have considered is that what if they are in it but like their involvement isn't big enough to constitute their like display on the poster or in the trailer they're there technically in the movie what it could literally be the the moon the biggest way that I could see that happening is they pop up right at the end and then it's like we're gonna be in the next one and like that's the that's the essentially that's the hook for the next spider-man film is that now these other two are here and then it would make perfect sense not to show them any of the trailers or the poster because you don't want to get people hyped for them being in this film because this isn't this is the film where it's like hey they're around now I feel like there's much more cynical in that jay they would totally market them even if they're running it for five seconds I mean look at rhino look at what they did with rhino he's in the film for like right at the end and the trailer cuts off with the end of the movie like that's some shit we didn't like wow you are an asshole I remember when that came out everyone was pissed it was on the poster that's one of the things that it's one of those things on the pile of why people hate tasm to more even though I think the first one's worse dude totally totally I don't even electro man don't you know my name's electro I can't resist seeing the yms edit with a little barrio oh man what a ride spider man has been you know yeah I do wonder if they're gonna use that music in the mario movie dude I wonder what the soundtrack for this movie is gonna be um oh they might have yeah they might have um the the themes from the other films I would be surprised if they didn't actually it'd be cool to hear the dark oak theme from the ramy films yeah do it and then I guess what would be the tasm theme sorry I hope they're not doing the he hates me oh dude I would fucking include it that's that's that's what he's famous for I know I trolled here it's so cool how something can go from like hated and cringed to like cringing kind of beloved because it's so stupid and shit I'm just I'm kind like how you had like the batwoman fighting theme the one in the show is crap but then like an actual fan made a re-edit of it that sounded like good so but the thing is wouldn't it be fucking amazing if it like you know in the portal scene for red game batwoman comes through and they have a small section of the fight where she's fighting and it's just that shitty theme we would all be laughing our fucking asses off of that yeah you play like this ethical cashier music you know you got like portals and then all of a sudden do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do and then it comes right back it's amazing you know it'd be like if you had the battle of home's deep music and it just cuts the battle and she's fighting some wars it's perfectly woven into the portal steam as she arrives yeah seriously whoever wrote that music for batwoman you must be ashamed of yourself for like what if it goes do do do do you're like whoa like bro oh i'm gonna show you friends it well yeah it's just like i guess that's yeah i guess that's something because there's no reason you can't have uh you know better better music well fuck yeah dude people in like random youtubers who have full-time jobs can cook up like a really really great song a half an hour compared to that like i don't stand yeah i mean lots of shows have great uh music i guess it's just happened the simpsons you know the simpsons has this crazy orchestral score for the theme that's iconic that's actually a piece of music you know Danny Elfman he makes some good stuff yes he does he did the age of Ultron soundtrack though in part it's like oh yeah i don't know what happened there what's wrong with the age of Ultron soundtrack remind me it's very generic um it's it i i can't i can't think of any tracks from that one that i remember whereas i can give you tracks from all the other films it's funny i can remember the track from Iron Man 3 uh even though i just don't think it's yeah i don't think it does compared to the rock stuff that you they should have kept the um the the one where he's flying for the first time they should have made that it yep um they should have kept doing it but they didn't it's one of the things that's talked about we're a spider man he's got a motif he's got a theme he does and i still feel like that happened as a result of people actually noticing it's like you should be using your themes properly yeah it should and then they do and when he's swinging through new york at the end of uh man you just killed that guy skinner it's not that he's fine he's adorable i know there were there were very small motifs in uh the adventures movies um i know that the one that they they because they always use the uh the sort of it's it's not like the main adventure steam it's that remixed one with the long shot that they always do mm-hmm you know boom that's yeah oh i like that one god that that uh that tracking shot the one shot it's kind of annoying when people shit on the cinematography in uh in adventures it's like that's a really cool shot and joss weeden famously fought for it because the producers didn't want it man now it's like that like it's used in every time people mention that movie that's what they show it's a staple of every film at this point to have a long tracking shot with a bunch of uh heroes we can leave the open age of ultra with that don't they um and end game has it with the uh with the final battle yeah but i mean that first one is super impressive in just the way that they're all stitched together though um because the opening and age of ultra and kind of looks there are parts where it looks really jank um like the cji what's the thing man it feels kind of nuts to think back sit it never really felt like it's an older era i was waiting until the time where it maybe would and i guess ten years kind of makes sense but just like i know that guy from that movie that guy from that movie that guy from that the all different powers and they're all working together to defeat an alien team that's really cool it's all super high budget too yeah no it was um god that was that was cool experience watching it for the first time blasting bouncing the laser off of cap shield it's just like oh my god for me it was like oh my god it's like marvel ultimate alliance but with a hundred million dollar budget holy shit yeah i think that's the thing and i wanted that for batman and superman but they fucked it yeah oh god i wanted that i really wanted that of them and that's never gonna happen now it's done um they blew it well you know we have to give it a while 50 years well yeah well not 50 years they're gonna try and do it a bit quicker than that um yeah they're gonna keep trying to forget about snider that they'll do it again we're gonna kill it with how quickly they try to do it again well so i worry for the batman right if the batman is successful which it feels like it's probably gonna be and then they'll be like batman two get going and we're gonna make a joker one oh baby combine it with walking phoenix's joker and then i already told you that when a gotham police department show that's gonna be a green light batman just they're just waiting to spam batman they just need to find the right money making avenue yeah i think so the right movie has to do well and then you guys maybe we should consider ourselves lucky because if snider had made enough money he'd have just been making fucking constant like crazy bullshit movies thank fuck people didn't like those movies i'm trying to retrieve to this crazy world just means that we we can get something that's actually you know we we we had another role if it if it made enough money we could we already could have been dealing with the release of Justice League too where Superman is fucking evil and batman's and his little duster with his little shotgun whatever and joker has given people reach around oh no just we something that we think about how unlucky we are with sniders that could have been so much worse i guess i guess it's just more could we have gotten somebody else right at the beginning well so that's the thing that i learned with the Suicide Squad is even if like they immediately restarted and gave it all to someone like James Gunn or even John Favreau like whoever it would have been like the snider fans wouldn't have given a fuck they would have loved sniders work above all um but at least we would have been happier yeah i guess i guess i don't know what really matters yes i will say we have reached appointments like well a lot of the dc stuff is now not trying to connect to one another and without that baggage might we just get some cool movies in the process i love the idea that marvel tries to take the upper sort of the higher moral ground with that they're like we actually had a whole tv show to explain why nothing makes sense you guys just did it anyway good for you question mark where's your monkey maybe that backgill movie will be cool me oh yeah blue beetle that looked fucking sick uh it's i want i want a big bad beetle borgs from the blue beetle going on his little adventures i think we're gonna be big adventures they can be big adventures big guys small you don't have to be a big person to go on a big adventure rags yeah even the smallest person can change the course of history exactly just call it exactly just call it uh like a little beetle goes on a big adventure yeah right little beetles big day yeah blue beetles day out yeah little beetles big day out sounds like i won i won that argument nice little beetle wins an argument all right next one i gotta remember where we even were he could be a dung beetle and he just rolls around a big sphere of poo everywhere he goes and he he fights crime sure but you know he's really good at it for the poo his methods are disgusting and people are like i mean yeah i'm glad he stopped the robbery but now the bank just smells like a sewer and there's a big brown like trail on the floor where he rolled that thing in here i don't know how he got it through the door all the money that was saved can now be used to pay the cleaners this the cg i imagine how much money is going to have to be spent on the poo cgi budget because they ain't using real poo well they'll probably could just use like a poo substitute the taste yeah yeah they could use they could use they could use faux poo or else see i take i take issue with that anyway right because that's not true filmmaking you need the actors to react to it as though it is real poo so it needs to be real poo i it should be the actors poo the actors need to have their poo you have to bring your own poo in order to create a realistic sort of yeah i like that yeah all of the all the porta potties and stuff on set in the trailers they all just have a tunnel that leads to the poo chambers where the poo sphere is molding the poo into a giant you're laughing but i'm very i'm i'm invested in the story and you're laughing why are you laughing it's basically the onscreen equivalent of the Zack Snyder writing process describing the chaining poo and you're laughing what a film old man's take on humanity in episode nine is the equivalent of Zack Snyder's take on superheroes it gets funnier when you think about it you just need the old man to say you think people are innocent you think oh my family would never commit atrocities we are living in a fucking dream world you're living in a fucking dream it's taking that out of context it's using my clan she's using my clan i have so much to say this video regards this clip it's like we'll stop using the clan it was the clip that the video was about like sir you seem upset i know what he's saying there i know by the way um you guys didn't you guys didn't know what i uploaded that as on my channel the the response sentence that was called um it's not a fan furious for reasons he does not understand this is an absolute sounds incredibly it's very accurate the amount of times you get angry at what you were saying and then have no idea what you said like it's insane i spoke to him he was like yeah sorry i didn't really know what i was doing back then uh i'm better now back then i was younger but then i was he apparently just started you you know what i for unknown reasons decided to empathize with this man as someone who's never had a similar experience did that work out well well you know don't don't give me to be cool if he said like yeah i made a mistake that's totally fine don't tell me i was a lot younger it's like shut up no yeah yeah so he said he said he was what he said to me was that he made a mistake and that like he knows better now okay cool what he what he says is that like he was just trying to be edgy like Zach Snyder Zach Snyder aficionado your comparisons could be drawn well it was a gas to say the least Snyderchisms have rubbed off on him indeed he helped create the best media medley ever he turned to a man he didn't fully understand that's a good quote i have to say i burst out laughing when the couple realized how the marble game worked oh that's mean of you i don't think that's the reaction that the filmmakers wanted to do a gunning few that feels sad um how would you feel if if that was you i would burst out laughing i hate my wife i'm gonna beat you bitch we're playing my marble game where i punch you i don't know yeah you know you don't have to use force to take them what about if your marble game is like i punch you you punch me first person to say ow or to bleed has to lose a marble you know stuff like that i don't know him that would be against the rules i assume that the spirit of the rules is you can't use force to take them against the will of the partner right i think it's a no violence allowed game i think it would be neat to have and it's like fist was to knock out be knocked out is an automatic law so if you explain this these rules to the nice man with the gun i'm sure you would let you do that well yeah as i'm sure as like because the guys with the gun they can't talk to you so if you go up to the hey are we allowed to we're allowed to like punch each other like as our game and they would say nothing they're allowed to talk you're wrong are they yep minimally yeah they talk within you know they talk minimalistic i can't believe you remember a game is suggested and they have to get it he says request accepted oh fucking not a true squid game fan one of your video about how it's good huh i made it yesterday it was called uh snider fan doesn't understand why he's angry but he is or something let's do this day i called it no problemo put it on your channel but that's okay that's okay baller made a video squid game yoinkie sploinkie now i just want to make a squid game video to call it that top card he never explained the title of this video it's like why is it called that worst luck ever i feel like a mixed missed opportunity is a smart and athletic character who is really good at the games and sees this as an easy way to make money then seeing him cope with the randomness of game five i rags hello i mean sure i don't know how how much you can make of that payoff because it's going to be like he realizes that he's like wow this is fucking lame i feel like let's make a better game five let's just make a better game five that's like commenting on how like shit the show is from within the show like i feel the best the better solution would be to just make it to write a better game five so it's like some it's like someone going like what if at the end of the force awakens we send someone like lair to go and meet luke and she says to him wow luke you're acting really out of character it's not that bad but it is i feel it's the same vein you know how like your attitude in the force awakens doesn't make sense if you consider what we're told is the history of tlj again in tfa she's like really excited and you know respectful of like what her idea the idea of luke is when she talks about Ben and she's like yes no grew and everything and it makes me wonder did luke tell her what happened hmm i don't think they i don't think anyone working on the films asked themselves that question because if you're like it's what happened to my son it's like okay so i know how this sounds i walked into his room while he was sleeping i'd like i was looking at his head i was just curious it wasn't like it was nothing really so i saw some spooky things he like killed you killed han killed a whole bunch of people so like and this was this was in your dream wasn't it but it felt pretty real i'm gonna and like i that's how i found you guys on bespin i imagined you dying and i was like oh better go stop that and you know what you're here aren't you so you know i take these things pretty seriously so anyway misunderstanding i saw a fly a mosquito and i was like better get that with my lightsaber and kylo wakes sorry ben wakes up and he's like oh you're trying to kill me and i was like no and then he went nuts and killed everyone i imagine she yeah she'd be like detailing this story like luke what are you that doesn't sound very like what he's just like why i don't know what to tell you he's uh your kid is nuts let's just put it that way it is fucking nuts anyway i'm gonna go to an island by i'll leave behind i'll leave behind reasons now i'll leave behind r2d2 on sleep mode and i'll give the other half to some old dude on jack who it'll make sense of what luke you haven't explained luke please then like ben is on the phone he's like he luke told you what that is not what happened luke was the one who killed all the students like oh shit oh god i think thank god ben was there to somehow stop him oh man and then she's like you killed all them it looks like okay so let me explain i looked into their minds context i looked into their minds i saw a lot of dark stuff real creepy stuff they were watching zack snider one of them was saying stuff about like test tubes and snoke i don't know what any of that is pretty sure he was the emperor so i knocked him out anyway they all started screaming and i didn't want him to wake up the others so boom boom boom you know how it is a horrific chain of events where the more i tried to silence the more they'd scream and the more they'd wake up and it's just it's like pringles man you can't have just one it was really uh really just it's society's fault like if would be an honest anyway back to the island like you could just ring me if you need me if you can't i'm going to hide i'm going to hide i will be dead this is like hon you'd fucking hate luke if he'd given you a summarize like a summary of the events you'd be like fuck you man you destroyed my kid if you need me uh send a random desert girl i've never met yes so send a stray that you just find sense send some random chick mainly but yeah um i don't know it's just further evidence that uh the force awakens has no idea that tlj exists not that does that make sense without me having to explain it like a film that was just nothing existed post tfa when tfa was made i guess so oh hey jay if you could remake any one of that trilogy which would it be the other two have to stay exactly the same which that's not gonna make any sense then for like if i'm totally remake the answer is choose number three why because you can recontextualize the first two as something like decanonizes them yeah you can just have the the last scene be like luke waking up from a dream and going that was weird anyway no that'll be the opening and then you make an actual movie oh yeah that's a good point like no that's a lot of the way let's tell a story who so the so the force is a bit of a yonky splanky if i'm gonna be honest here it all makes sense in the end one or two about well yeah what is your answer any difference that rags uh for uh for what question oh sweet if you didn't hear my answer then we can get a real genuine one so you get to fully remake one of the three sequels but the other two have to say exactly the same which do you choose i don't know i feel like if i could remake the third there could be some bullshit i could use to recontextualize the first two or nullify them or try to pull some shit out of a hat that would make everything somehow make sense retroactively or explain things or this was all some dream or something i'm trying to think of any other answer because that was the answer i have as well i yeah we just we gotta we gotta fucking we gotta just we gotta stop this we have to it doesn't matter we have to stop when we have to stop this from i do i do wonder if you um if you made tfa and you made it like um its own self-contained like one-off sequel story to star wars that gives like you know a full-out randomly and it's like tlj could be so incongruous with what we've seen before it's like who the fuck is ray and fin what the fuck is happening like it might have become so muddled that like people will just be like well i don't know what the fuck this is but like this one self-contained story is good well yeah tfa ends it doesn't follow off for anything tfa ends with him finding some strange alien portal to a multiverse that they accidentally fall into and then that anything after that just takes place within that bizarre multiverse tfa ends with luke just having a nap and this is like it's implied i'm gonna go and maybe dream about some stuff we take some blue shrooms and they say luke had the worst of nightmares credits open the tlj right yeah like it it it goes to the it's like a certain show it goes to the credits and you just hear luke screaming for half of them the implication being that's him experiencing tlj so the answers are basically all the same it's just tactically how do we execute this plan how do we use one to nullify the other two from exist and how much fun can we have ripping into the other two like i do feel the spirit of the question is likely you know which one do you remodel but you can't actually change those two and it's got to follow into it right i'm guessing that's what they want us to answer but well so it was my question i just threw it in oh oh i thought it was super chat yeah sometimes um the the yeah i don't know how long we've been going about six and a half hours we are at six nice um probably won't go too much longer i'm assuming people is done i heard you yawning i don't know if that's yeah i yonder them and i basically i woke up at like starting time uh because i heard the ping and um then i went with this so i haven't like eaten yet or drunk or i'm pretty sure we've made progress we just didn't make i think we've we made any progress on but the the ones for this stream though no as long as we answered more than we're generated in the stream that's what that's what i'm saying but we've made we may have made progress i can't know that answer yeah holy crap i will know the answer when we end the stream because i will i will collect them up and i'll tell you if we did but until that time um i figure i'll go until i complete this game which should be another like in 20 minutes so okay okay um what were we talking about rise we're saying something now some about impolimpus but it's fine no i meant before that but if you can't remember this is all good i i don't think i can remember for the for the sake of progress maybe it's best i don't just say you see a little meme again whatever like wickety splimpet or whatever yeah yonky yeah yonky splanky yonky splanky yonky splanky uh yeah well so i brought it up and then answered it my way which would just be the wreck on them but if we change the question until you can't erase two of them and you have to maintain continuity so you can only necessarily tweak as much as you can with one of them that is another interesting question i'd say at that point it's probably the riser skywalker i think because i think um i might be clj i think i can save luke the riser skywalker doesn't have to follow on into the next film so i can essentially just remake it and try to contact recontextualize as many previous events as possible that's true but tlj remains canon at that point and you have an opportunity to undo everything and you could literally make luke a clone in in riser skywalker yeah well i'm i'm suggesting we give him an actual fucking movie we you know why you say that luke that died was a clone here's luke's actual movie so if we get to say for example is like you have to keep riser skywalker you have to keep tfa i can work with tfa i think i think we all can um it's not fantastic but we can definitely work with it the idea that we have to end our movie our theoretical changed tlj to match the riser skywalker shouldn't be too difficult all i have to do is put people in the right places i don't have to um you know i can just say riser skywalker just fucking assassinated all my work instead of necessarily having to uh what i mean by that is like if we give poe like a really awesome arc that doesn't involve him randomly revealing he has a drug dealing past um then bringing that up and rise from riser skywalker that's what i'm saying like i can if i made it so his past wasn't that and then riser skywalker was just like no it is you're like yeah okay whatever um my goal would mainly just to be we can erase the the the luke damage and have an awesome luke movie but i i suppose you could do that in a sense with riser skywalker but it would be a lot more um do you understand what i'm saying when i it's like you'd be retconning it and everyone would be able to tell that meanwhile i'm trying to delete the actual thing from memory that they did to luke and change it into something that's awesome yeah i understand your motivation you're a consistent character more though um i've always thought that about you you were you were so close we were so close to moving on to a super chat and we got pulled right conversation what are you doing we hadn't done at all i was still talking about this topic just because you mentioned moving on doesn't mean we will i'm now asking you the question rags get on board bud well for the sake of what was what was the question again so this time think of the question as you get to you have to remaining continuity essentially with the the two surrounding it but you can okay so so no like rewriting undoing of history or something like that recontextualizing well so i don't know if you heard my answer but i basically said like not rewrite my answer was like i'd gone for tlj because i can remove all of the damage to luke and i can still make it stay mostly in continuity with tfa and tross um i just i have to kill luke and luke has to be on the island at the beginning i can work with that you know yeah i think you might be right um because the universe i don't think you you can't i don't think you just save the universe it's too much i think it's just too much to save the universe at this point tfa took care of that so you're just gonna have to make a choice do you want to save the character or do you want to try and save elements of the world building which i just don't think because they're like book ends of destruction for of the star wars world building yeah they both tfa just destroys them and tross just ruins it even more at the end um so i think yeah we we got to save luke i think that'll be a big deal yeah you know what you persuaded me it's tfa no sorry no it's tlj i was gonna say right yeah that's every yeah you persuaded me of the of a completely different thing you've you persuaded me that it's the one ninth of us we're gunning for it now that was tlj for me yeah yeah with that proviso i would say tlj we can save we can do a lot for kylo we could save luke yeah i was gonna say we can do a lot more than just save luke can't we we don't have to have a force ghost yoda who's able to cast down lightning and so we could save force ghosts a bit um true luke still catches a lightsaber but that's still a that's still a limit from i can cast lightning from this guy to destroy objects right or maybe you could say well maybe you could say that luke because he has a special connection to that lightsaber maybe his force ghost can interact with it like we will we can just um it can just be rise the skywalkers mistake we don't have to account for that really yeah we yeah like we wouldn't get blamed for it it we can literally say if we have if we're redoing tlj we can say hello friends phone if we're doing tlj i'm just impressed that discord picked that up discord normally fills out yeah usually says no to that stuff like if we're redoing tlj then we can establish is a place where like force ghosts are actually much more like they manifest much more strongly yeah but it's not in the cat it's not actually in the film is it it's like if i if that's actually in the film i don't see what the problem is that this is like one spot in the universe where force ghosts can interact with reality i don't like that yeah i i don't want to i i worry about expanding anything about the force in any way well i think that it's ambiguity is its strength and i've already got the hot take that i'm not a huge fan of force ghosts already uh me neither they they that's why keeping it kind of ambiguous and the force ghost is do not increase their power under any circumstances the fact that they can talk is already bad enough i mean yeah the way that we see the force ghosts i mean is there i mean could you could you legitimately say after the original trilogy that force ghosts are oh i guess we have the prequels where Qui-Gon learns to so we can't do the whole is it just your psyche or is it like the force manifest through your mind they don't really exist in a sense yeah the prequels have established that it's like genuinely contacting them in the as they are a part of the force or whatever so we can't really escape that as a ruling or we could just say yeah prequels kind of even the pre-golden was kind of nuts to be i suppose you can't really argue that anyway because the ot has been giving instructions to luke that are very real and purposeful as a ghost would those be would those be things that luke couldn't have known in some way or had an intuition i think we should stick to them being actual people because there's a lot of dialogue between him and ben it's really important i don't know that i like the idea of it being all in luke's head it's not kylo well i mean in the sense of the the force ghost is they communicate with the character but they're not present in a way like only one person could see them it's only it's almost like a mental way for the person being communicated with to have the conversation there's not actually a presence there is yeah i think the closest you come to possible contradiction i don't think there is one though with that and the ot and the prequels is um when luke looks at them at the end of return of the jedi i don't think anyone else notices them right it's just him no one does no um i don't i don't think so did i i can't remember if leia does uh i i just can't remember um i think and i and i would genuinely consider putting a limit on it being that you know they are a part of the force but they only have a so long and that maybe for our sequel they're just not gonna turn up but this is luke's time to yeah and just for clarity with chat it's not a hallucination in the sense that it's all made up it's that the visual thing that we see that part is the hallucination but there is a conversation taking place that's more it's like an approximation from a viewer or something yeah it's like it's a mental conversation that you're having or maybe when a person talks it answers all questions if we treat it as though it is an approximation from the person because how is it how does the force ghost decide how it looks i guess you could say it's the particular ghost preference but i prefer the idea that it's the person viewing them's view of them if you know what i mean yeah i i mean i like the notion that the interactions with the force ghosts are actually so otherworldly an alien to us that like depicting them visually this is just essentially the closest that we can get naturally it's a very personal experience to anyone who comes into contact with one it's it's um it's like it's like they're in your mind more so than they're actually appearing as a vision in front of you yeah they appear as if they're there but they're not really there with that conversation we've put more effort into maintaining continuity than all three sequels put together shocking but true actually it's not i guess it's not shocking it is true it is we would have been shocking if we were told that like five years ago yeah because you would assume that they crapload of effort and have a big overarching plan for a trilogy that they're gonna commit to it's but it's so funny because if you told me that five years ago i think my first question would be like well why fans are gonna want them to maintain continuity chat chat has found that there is a tangerine emoticon thingy yeah the last tangerine the rise of the tangerine tangerine awakens tangerine so anyway squid game what about it um it's nice to talk about star wars yeah it's been a while isn't it i mean squid wars i think i got bored of star wars i'm i've it's been enough time that i'll have stuff to say when we watch book of boba fair i'll have plenty to talk oh yeah definitely definitely the mcu i think it'll be just right when no way home comes out in terms of like oh yes right back to this because i think we did i think we did od on the the mcu a little bit a few weeks ago the mcu yeah i'm just i i i still could i could totally walk away from it and be gone for a long time without feeling like i need to go back to it i just i'm just i'm super saturated cancel mola no no that's impossible tangerine that's not true that's impossible together we can rule the galaxy like bro what if he said yes and then he's like all right i'll do the talking hey emperor how you doing this is my son know about him he's getting closer and closer the emperor's like what are you doing it's like nothing i don't know this sounds like a family i joke they've probably done this oh well i remember when they did the um when they did the star wars parodies and there was like a joke in the star wars parodies where they're like what about the prequels and someone said oh i think we'll just have american dad do that or something and that would be so fucking funny like that would be i think the cleveland shows yeah oh oh in the nevermind i had a feeling you might say that because american dad prequels sounds like fun but cleveland show prequels where it would have i swear they said american dad because i remember being excited for the prospect i think fringy's right because the cleveland show has direct continuity with family guy doesn't it so does american dad does american dad have the same kind of thing cleveland show like exists inside the world of family guy i don't think that's true american dad all american dad happens on like a different part of the country but like they do have continuity with each other like the characters drop in each other's lives occasionally well they only showed up in that one episode though yeah i thought it was there's been multiple episodes where okay they cross over um does simpsons have that same deal technically though because like obviously what we're talking about is that cleveland show like it's like a spin-off it's it's much more connected that yeah it's true but it's in like there's no reason that that would mean that it has to be done that way like american dad could totally have done the prequels and it would have been really funny because american dad is better than family guy well i guess and then you can have the self-aware joke in there somewhere at the end of it someone's like cleveland show supposed to do this and then you just like yeah they could have made a joke about how that show was shit and not funny yeah you gotta stab me like nobody wanted to see that loads of those yeah yeah he would say that as well it would be really funny that's uh i always reference the two the simpsons family guy crossed over one of my favorite jokes is just roger's cabio is fucking great hi thanks for having me just flown out with kagan kota's good shit and then the other one being um i guess it's two jokes well this is a lot of jokes but like these are the two parts i remember is nelson beats up bar and stewie's like fuck like how long how long have you let him do that to you and he's like 32 years like oh just the self of that kind of fourth world break but then you know stewie literally like torturing nelson after tiger it just feels very stewie because stewie was a great draw for family guy as a character he felt super unique my favorite bit about that as well as uh when stewie kidnaps a poo as well as nelson and fast like why'd you kidnap a poo and stewie says all i just wanted to be able to say i took a poo that's the kind of joke i think you'd love it's a great joke stewie good shit that's the efap american dad no the the family guy american dad efap this has been a strange efap many so many topics all of the topics um thoughts on alec boldwin's new movie the hunt for i accidentally shot someone in october that's an attempt at a joke i understand it it's like red october oh belch you did i saw i mean i smelled yeah that's what you meant to say because you haven't mentioned it enough the score for the show is absolutely wonderful weird and a bit too upbeat for what happens adding to the unsettlingness of the show also high rags and others hello i'm back um i've had different opinions on the soundtrack for squid game i liked it i liked it i don't know it's fine with it yeah i don't like have a lot to say about it uh yeah i think you worked fine that main hook is definitely like that's in my head now just because you mentioned the squid game soundtrack that's a very effective little hook yeah yeah that's the one all right all right i like music when they fight each other oh yeah the same they're not the same space they're not it's it's you got it wrong all right wait if we have a i've i cut myself off because i i should be able to ask this question but i can't ask the question jay what soundtrack do you prefer lord rings or star wars but you fucking oh i've had the lord of the ring soundtrack no you haven't you ever been exposed to it exposed to it yeah i yeah flashed me in a public park once oh my goodness gracious i got a little bit of that hobbit flute that's just whoo what the oh my goodness gracious like i'm in the shire oh go away uh it does seem that um lord rings tends to be voted for more than star wars but uh i need to have my preference but they're both great they are both great good stuff hug them both with wonderful hug them squeeze them hold them tight big city that's the life for me that's from james and the giant peach or is it it is i remember saying that movie but god damn i can't remember anything about it i remember lots of you remember the fucking creepy ass shark i fucking remember that hell yeah i remember it as a book well i because i read it wasn't it was a wrong yeah it was a raw doll it was like i don't know i never i never really was aware of that being a movie as you know when jack skeleton attacks the pirate jack i do yeah he grabs the compass or he grabs his suspenders and pulls them back dude man that's that's an efat movie right there i feel like we should watch that side by side with return to us they're both movies that are kind of creepy but both totally kids movies apparently we'll just go because i yeah i never saw return to us but james and the giant peach was definitely one that i watched as a kid quite a lot i thoroughly look forward to wait fring have you seen return to us okay well jay have you seen return to us no so many people probably i don't think metal has either off chat they're in for a fucking surprise with that one i'd say but a good surprise all i know is that it's creepy it's um i don't know if it can be prepared for because in terms of just i think you'll just be surprised it's such an old movie but it's meant directly for children you'll just be like this this is an interesting fucking choice like many times you'll probably find yourself saying that but like you know you know just in a way that's like what did you expect but hey uh this is i think it's probably be pretty neat in terms of uh production and stuff and what plenty to talk about so that's what's important absolutely i'd love to take a look at it and check out this creepy ass movie the funny thing is it's like oh maybe next halloween it's like our fucking next halloween is already completely stocked up we can we can do every day of every day of spooktober three uploads guys we were busy in october this is especially the editors another shout out to the editors for being able to get those things out because damn yeah it was kind of funny as well as the we were super busy and the efab people's already saw like dare i say just over half of it you know there's a lot of stuff we were up to that you haven't even don't even know what it was but you will in a year i was disposing of evidence crimes you should watch wizard of auspiful hand for the clash of tone i've considered that that does that would be a plan it would be fun to watch them both back to back have our commentary on the original because it is just it's like it's like the most famous movie ever essentially yeah it's so wholesome by comparison that it's probably worth doing yeah there's uh it's like if you had to if you had to have like movies as a as a thumbnail it would be probably wizard of auspiful yeah um because then star wars is the one that's famous for like beginning the era of the blockbuster right summer blockbuster that and like yeah that might be the case unless steven spielberg did something around that time i'm not sure well of course indiana jones is also like referenced as being important in that regard but a lot of spielberg movies yeah tended to do that uh jaws he made that a little bit before um star wars uh was made so maybe that that might be the first well of course wasn't star wars like mind blowing like it was a worldwide phenomenon sort of thing i'm assuming it held the record at the time for like biggest box office wait uh star wars sorry yeah new hope um i think jaws no yeah you're right star wars then et bid it out et b star wars yeah et made like 800 million dollars which you know just i think i think we talked about this before but like i just i'd never cared about et i didn't know i'm indifferent to it also be every he's gone there he goes came in for a moment there just to say that et beat out star wars he not in my heart brb and dunny dunny included maybe he does maybe he does brb maybe he's doing something with garfish i could be it talked about that yeah that could be the case it's very possible yeah for sake i keep forgetting where all the flimpy floors are anyway the island has to be close to south korea because they used ferries to bring the cars there those aren't rated for long distance open waters trips yeah i think the best i think the most solid explanation is that this is north korean water and that north korean allows it in exchange for money you just ignored that super chat huh what was the story what sorry what did the super chat say like determined that you were wrong about that wasn't but north korea is near south korea like i don't maybe maybe that distance is too great but i don't know i feel that but you know my next fairy your fairy expert all of a sudden i've been on ferries oh you've been on a ferry play pokemon go on a ferry when pokemon go is relevant these are sci-fi ferries with double the fuel is that what you're saying yes maybe damn it well sci-fi fairy there you go thought it right in terms of ferries they've also got like you know they keep them drugged i can't imagine for longer than like what 48 hours at maximum possible like i don't know how long it's possible to keep someone sedated but i imagine it's like get might might might just like smell test would say long no longer than 48 hours i'm guessing that's probably a stretch sci-fi sedation it lost 10 years but it doesn't do any damage carbonate states that they're in cryo tubes or carbonate or they're in cryo night os mode they're in the menu you three companies carbonara yum arbalo carol canis gotta be cheating on just started squid game when this efab started and i come back to old man mobiles moment also hi everyone and rags hello it is funny that you want you could watch squid game and it's already quicker we had people who it is talking about train to busan went and watched it came back and then finished the efab because it's rewound and played by times two i love the idea that that happened this hilarious it's fun we are that long everyone did they want english actors to fit the dub there's no point trying to figure it out the director wanted something and he got it it was a weird thing that he got that i guess he was happy with it i suppose all we're supposed to say is the director got his vision and that's all that matters right whenever anyone interferes with the the creator's vision that's bad what we've learned i want high top to have a moment where he finds out that like sam ramy was like you know what i hate that doc gawk was a good guy in the end a studio forced me to do that and then i was like what you know what else i hate this other thing that everyone loves about my movies i didn't even want it just just to realize that sometimes sometimes the studio do a good thing genuinely think that would cause incognitive dissonance yeah probably do you guys remember the whole um that you have the mall part and then also the olympics part in 184 and the studio said can you please cut one of those scenes because the movie is just too fucking weird and long and then patty was like i demand to keep both of them was like which one would you rather have to be fair if you ask me to delete one i'd be like i mean i guess i lose the olympics one because that fucking confuses that hell out of me like yeah that's the one i would can i get rid of one thing can i get rid of the whole movie i think it's funny because a lot of people say well that's the theme it's like well the theme is stupid so nobody knows what the theme is the truth is beautiful if i go off i yeah the that's what the film believes that it's about but what if the truth isn't beautiful but also i have the ugly that's why they call it we call it the ugly truth sometimes the truth is not beautiful lies are beautiful you can conjure up whatever fake loveliness you can but the truth you don't have oh the truth what if some dude i mean it's the thing everyone asks what if some dudes wish was like oh i wished i wasn't being abused well um the truth is beautiful i wish i didn't have cancer yeah or like cancer is beautiful because it's the truth and i just want to mention that i wish i wasn't being slowly fed into this meat grinder from the get go let you free from life because if we're supposed to be as honest as possible here or good faith as possible here it's like she cheats and so the truth is she didn't win like think that i think that's what they were going for but it was so unclear that she even cheated yeah very strange one it was a very the way that they wrap that message up and delivered it to me yeah was very convoluted it was it arrived at the wrong address and then miss labeled packaging and i had to track it down and find it and it had to be re-sent a couple times and when it got here it was damaged it also it wasn't what i ordered so remember um it's a very strange one it wasn't even that she used the shortcut it was that she didn't tag the um the little thing yeah the implication being of course that she could have used the shortcut and one if only she'd fired the arrow back and hit the thing which maybe it was impossible to do but the point being is that we can't even we don't even know and then you find out a reaction if you remember she's like what the f*** and then she's like yeah you cheated and she's like ah what it's like wait she didn't even know the rules i don't even know how they found out exactly it's very it's very confusing it's very very confusing amazonian something or other i don't i don't even know but uh yeah so if you're knocking out one of those two scenes i guess because the mall scene is no worse than anything else in the movie i guess at least it's goofy and like this like it was really fun to laugh at it i think more so than the i enjoyed laughing at the mall stuff more than the um as we said there's a little more room for interpretation about the theme other than well one woman does just literally say at the end the truth is beautiful accept it it up like okay no i don't want to i want to live lies patty what were you thinking imagine we found out like the studio everyone this and please drop the rape scene she was like no it's my vision i have a rape fantasy it's my this is my i'm not gonna sneak that into my movie and i'll sneak but it's so well executed i'm gonna sneak in between yes it's about big wait big what will you tell that big now i guess jay doesn't know big theme a good memory fringy because i wonder who how many how many people even do remember remember what now god damn okay fringy i'm here for you i have a good no i i didn't hear what he said files upon files i mean big should be enough in reference to wonder woman big come on i'm believing you get those gears spinning boy just big um don't look at chat they'll give you all the answers no i'm not i'm not i'm looking at the wall as i think um good big try to think of what in the movie what in the movie was big it's not the direction you want to go no so it says it's a wonder woman it's a meme that has to do with big not really a meme i guess you could call it a meme it's like a commentary that we had something that came up as a result of our watching it some thought are passing conversation we had a conversation about it but it wasn't really us oh so someone else was referring to the movie is big or something about the movie is big okay so we'll just we'll do it because jay will find this interesting anyway i assume you probably do know this it's just once you once you say it i'll probably just be like oh yeah of course it was that yeah probably so i actually made a joke about it already but um the good old twitter doing this back and forth with criticism a twitter hero told everyone that is in fact commentary on the freaky friday trope in which bodies are swapped and that this is commentary that you know big has the same problem and patty was just trying to highlight that and then patty jankins retweeted it and said yes this is it i do indeed remember that and that's so i was trying to i was trying to criticize some great thing that i did by doing the thing you got it you got it guys you got it yeah i do or recall that whole thing that came out yeah it's unbelievable to shout on big to try and escape criticism how could i how could well i mean it's well because that movie was a roller coaster and is it's just like a jackson pollock in my mind of different shapes and colors that just an unsensical but i remember that using twitter reply using someone else's twitter explanation as your official explanation as to why it totally is fine guys that's one of those things where it's just like man you've lost the plot you have no fucking clue like the the desperation you must be at to use someone's tweet as like definitive evidence that your movie actually had a point with the rape scene like that she was clearly unaware the movie had no clue we all know that makes you wonder about the maturity of a person to have missed all of that you know because she can direct a film right like but apparently she can't write a script for shit apparently she can direct another film and another one after that and another one after that he's so good wait she was going to do a star wars film yeah yeah squadron but that's not happening anymore jesus they were gonna get they were just going to give her a star wars movie they don't give a fuck toss them out these days based on based on what whatever so it probably would have been wonder woman one and then after wonder woman two there was probably an attempt of like you can't just do whatever you want and so she's quick uh from creative differences is what was cited the last time we let someone do whatever fucking what was star wars it lost us god knows how many millions of dollars and then we saw what you did with your second wonder woman film and to be fair we don't want rape in star wars so we're gonna have to control you a little bit she got upset when they said she's like i mean no rape are you saying there's no rape in the star wars universe they're like no canonically there is no rape it doesn't happen the emperor will kill someone else in the universe if someone buys star wars off of us they can put rape in star wars but not us i feel that i feel that if it was happening in star wars though at least finn would be good at yelling to alert people of its occurrence that's okay here's a joke yeah thank you rape there you go that's it yeah yeah that's uh all right just uh yeah and with that it feels like that conversation is done now you know you can't rape but you can kiss your sister i feel like those are different yeah they are different they're very different yes they're very different anyway where is the true where is the true turning point on what you know sexual deviancy you can get away with and star war maybe we'll never know the rank or you can be impregnated through the force that they eat that can happen you can be you can unknowingly kiss your sister but we don't know if it's if you know you can kiss your sister that's probably not allowed rape is a no go probably um let me see i think it's just what i thought disney would allow rags yeah yeah do you think they don't have any special rules set aside for the star wars universe no like there's no there's gonna be no visible penetration in a star wars movie yeah i i imagine so yeah unless that would make the money sometimes foreign language directors who don't speak english will have the american actors deliver a line that sounds good to them also high racks hello again from what i gather it's you want to i don't think you thought that they sounded normal but he wanted them to sound like that so i should have accomplished but they did sound like that like i don't know how you'd feel about it as a creator when you're like this was very deliberate and i love the way it turned out and then like basically everybody was like the part i hate the most was the vip's it's like oh man you it'd be impossible for that not to affect you if you bring them back wouldn't it like you're making that decision again and you're like everyone hated this last time it's like like what do i do yeah like it's supposed to be like this is like is there any way you can keep your vision intact but also not do the thing that you did kiss is that a is that on the table well it's just you do a really salty bit about how actually it's amazing and shut the fuck up that's the story in universe yeah yeah the vip's wow you have an amazing voice yes i know someone comes up to a vip and goes what are you some kind of fake rich person i don't believe that a rich person would ever act like you and then he starts listing real rich people that list look back like him with clips yeah with like just clips of jess bezos like see he speaks like this and then and then another character is like do you know that blade runner was panned when it came out at first like a lot of great things in life some things are misunderstood 69 69 you sound like the per the commercial person 69 you sound like a like an orval red and balker commercial i could have just said you sound like orval red and balker because he did the commercials that would have been faster but we're not really about that here right that's true um or maybe uh i don't know what kind of all the commercials there's probably a whole bunch you just have that old like you like if you were going to be given a transcript of a 1950s commercial advertisement you know that that's kind of the voice that you have pronounced advertisement advertisement um if you guys know do you guys know hard hat harry the genie do you wear a hot hat or often yeah no i was curious and carry on i've seen i've seen dunkey uh i'm pretty tired i've seen dunkey jokes funnier than the 69 jokes not possible i mean i don't know anybody that laughed at the 69 thing i just know that everyone was like what are you telling me with this information so like like i'm what am i learning about this character because i think a lot of people didn't realize it's so in character funny it was genuinely funny when holly did it um yeah it would have been more fun i think would have would have had would it all right would it have been more funny if harley had said that she was sick with ligma yes because i think it would yeah it would have been more funny and then the the the general is like ligma what the what ligma is she's like ligma balls that would have been funny i think that would have been maybe you have it you like she smiles for a while at him bit of an awkward pause and they just slapster or something enough or it's better than 69 in fact i've changed my position it's way better than 69 absolutely what if right i don't need to fool too much in love with this okay but i'm just gonna be happy but what if she goes they're like where where are the old compatriots like where are they and then she goes you're in the bat cave cave bat bat cave i feel like i would just make you adore this scene and then she winks at the camera no because those things have to be earned you can't just throw them in cheaply it's insulting that you say the Wonder Woman 84 earned anything i cool it's not so much the way i see it it's not that Wonder Woman 84 earned the wink it's that she did if you say so you're shockingly true the world will recognize my genius after i'm gone they'll look back and they'll be like oh he was ahead of his time that doggo he was he was like nostradamus he was like hitler in the autobahn he was forward-changing sorry i'm tired i'm also tired and that is i hit the end of the game so i think we'll probably stop oh no we can't stop there because i don't know what happens now one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirty fourteen fifteen before we've completed the squid game ones isn't that just the perfect number in terms of we should we could we could do another 15 it's 15 the perfect number so if someone sends in another we can go because it's not the perfect number anymore so what i'm saying is that's like the perfect number in terms of like oh is that too much to carry on or is that just perfect to get the rest done i feel like we could do it right 15 i mean i sure yeah i guess um it won't be extended because the ones that came in today will just be put into the catch up sorry folks but we're gonna get to everything eventually the squid game people wanted us to cover these for a while so they'll be they'll be seven hours apparently it took to get through the i mean that's with a couple of extra conversations but you know what let's read atler has better dialogue than the vip's oof oh you can't say that we'll upset everybody hey mola i want to play your squid game it's two big tentacles up your ass no i couldn't why couldn't it have been the squid game we run around and you jump on one foot whatever i don't know it's awfully violent when the cloaked vip isn't watching a squid game he's at the bohemian grove leading the molok mark sacrifice ceremony with the big bonfire you know if i was invited i'd check it out would you guys would you pop over to the bohemian grove see what's up what he was at the the molag ball what so you're saying yes right out of curiosity at least it sounds like anything to get me out of that fucking room with all those other weirdos i'll go check out i'll go check out the the uh the the molok um yeah i i i don't that's a god for the bible right that's like a that's what i'm saying out of the slim chance that we could meet molok i'd be like let's do it if yeah if it requires like a firstborn i'd still consider it but probably not let me look it up mol i like i know the name moloc mollock moloc canaanite deity associated in biblical sources with the practice of child sacrifice nice which one if it's the second bill but when i don't mind get rid of all the children cast them out destroy them yeah i'm i'm fine with yeah less children in the world they're annoying and smelly and um let's see are you are we are we are we waiting on that or am i moving on what's happening oh oh wait to which thing specifically like which child we're doing right now no i was just reading about um just moloc child sacrifice yeah yeah um yeah he's uh he's referred to uh referring referred to as a canaanite god often um but you know it's just you know whatever it's uh it generally moloc is portrayed as a bullheaded idol with outstretched hands over a fire all right oh moloc has been figuratively used in reference to a person or a thing which demands or requires a very costly sacrifice that isn't that interesting well i don't know like um i don't know i kind of think so where if you want to portray some kind of a being um and you and you portray them as it like their name is moloc and you portray them as such people who understand that symbolism or the you know the history of the name might be like ah so typically moloc is associated with you know child sacrifice and you know great upkeep very costly very demanding so maybe that will factor into this character's uh personality here you know i feel like we already knew that when you said that he requires uh children sacrifices well that's because i told everyone while i was reading the thing out here but i think that could be interesting in a story where you might not know that not i mean like you in general not like you personally because you know now but um but if that was a thing maybe yeah i know i mean in general if you had put out a book and there was a character named moloc it could it wouldn't even have to be a deity it could just be a character and their name was moloc and you know could you could play with the idea that they perhaps had to make a sacrifice or they were extremely demanding uh something of that nature you could kind of play with the etymology that bit is that it or no that was it unless you had any more uh questions i could answer any any more thoughts any uh no thoughts feelings on the matter uh the vb's dialogue is so bad that it made me prefer ethans dialogue from re eight hell i'd rather listen to the worst dialogue from the walking dead tv show it's dark i mean yeah they're the same kind of dialogue is that um a lot of just stating i fucking i said i hate the one where they're like you know the thing that's really important in this game is which position they choose like thank you whoa thank you for letting me know i sometimes ethans says a thing that i might say but the vip's are just aliens from another universe that are trying to mimic what a human is and i just could never they're just bizarre in every way but i could see myself maybe commenting that it's dark if it's dark you know like that's not out of the realm of possibility for any of us you know absolutely yeah and but that's the thing i think they missed when trying to respond to criticism like you know your sub rich people do speak this way it's like no i don't think you understand it's just like a lot of it's not even human like the way that they why are they saying some of these things it's not even about whether you're not you're rich or poor or disconnected people grew up on earth or they're humans you know or you don't care about human no they're just saying weird shit with google translate i don't think so i'm not going to rule out the possibility i'm going to cover my ass here but uh that's the funny part right he probably said he's like wait i don't want to lie how i'm just i'm i'm just i'm just passing along what i think the case maybe what i what i believe is potentially the case now it's true necessarily or maybe easy fix here crazy lady has one last cigarette she lights it talks trash then flicks the lit smoke in its face this distracts thug and she lunges to kill him that way yeah i i don't think that scene is easily fixable the the way they did it just confused me a little bit in terms of the leverage and and obviously capital opinions was like why didn't you just crouch that would have saved him there's a lot of little things i i think i said like why the fuck didn't you try punching her at all he didn't even try i'm happy if he like struggled or something but like i'm happy that he wouldn't have known to or thought to crouch in that situation i think i'd be more forgiving of that yeah but i was just like first like he didn't try anything for that character puncher in the fucking like wailing on it because that's the kind of thing you would do when he's panicking right you'd be like wailing is illegal um it's career so loads of different in different countries ranks you should know this asians will fuck up a sea creature i'll know that i know that just finish squidwood's game rip a league on too soon yeah i know wait how long was the brother missing was my first thought from the twist than anything else this motherfucker was behind on rent of all things no idea how any of that works it's almost like he wanted his brother to try and look for him or some shit and maybe they'll try and do that in season two it's like i actually wanted you to come here i got no idea it doesn't make any fucking sense at all we'll see what they do with it um it's called a shaggy dog story trope i forget which one's the shaggy dog when i fit that before the one with tim allen an archetype remember which one it is it is the one with tim allen we get a little bit more than just about tim allen or um not really that's all i got for you yeah that's that's that's what i've got i'm not sure because i don't know if because a shaggy dog could be anything like some dogs are just shaggy and it's within their nature that's just how they are they are shaggy um i mean i mean shaggy's dog is scooby-doo so maybe that plays into it maybe it's about anthropomorph anthropomorphization of you know certain you know animals or what not companions a long story punchline that's the one yeah what what's the punchline that i can't say anthropomorphization no i just described what a shaggy dog story is oh i what what is it it you can go and google it right i would rather hear it from i'd rather hear it from you i know you would stream but i gotta answer super chats i'm afraid next one is i saw the devil bum the fuck out let me look at a sure that's okay a shaggy dog story or yarn is an extremely long winded and nick dot characterised by extensive narration of typically irrelevant incidents and terminated by an anti-climax oh god i do that a lot by accident well so that's what i was saying the detective story was and i think they're right but i don't know that that was on purpose of course it wasn't on purpose i wouldn't know what that mean shit we're dealing with the guy who wrote this shit is like everything is as i intended it's like okay i don't know i'm sure he loves the for all we know he literally has already said an interview that it's a shaggy dog story i don't fucking know um yeah i don't know i saw the devil bum the fuck out i'm not sure what that would have been in reference to i'm afraid um well the follow-up one says i saw the devil bum the fuck out lol sorry i got nothing uh they should have added a wall sign after each game instead of having them out all left from the beginning oh i guess so yeah you could do it that way if you really wanted to keep them on the background i think they really wanted the reveal to be they were in there the whole time you could have seen them yeah but like then the cartonies to acknowledge them at some point exactly a wake uh three doesn't doesn't grandpa simpson tell a lot of shaggy dog stories um yeah well that was even a joke where it went for like two minutes whereas it just kept going and so well it's gonna say that he doesn't usually end them some of the men within that time i spoke a lot of them just keep going and a lot of them keep going yeah just the style at the time that's right well that's the thing the problem is i'm usually pretty invested and then the scenes end and i'm like no i want to know what happened with the onion everyone an old man is talking everybody an old man is talking his millhouse it says that it is yeah yeah like i think he says something exciting grandpa they'll go let's stop whispering and talking to you shut up so anyway i like grandpa is funny i like i like the idea like you just show that scene to like some aliens and they're like well do you guys all like it when when old men speak and you're like hey you're not in the show fuck you the alien doesn't get it what a loser yeah fuck that alien look up a review by someone named young defiant for the absolute worst squid game review i am not joking young defiant is like i've covered young defiant young defiant is just like um overtly a troll like oh like wrong young defiant young defiant will go after everything that's popular say it's really shit make like really clearly facetious and bad arguments not facetious um like i don't i don't understand because like people like oh he says he's not a troll i thought okay um but one of his arguments why infinity wall was bad is that it was dropping frames like what do you think he's being serious i think that you could have a lot of fun with a channel like that just make it oh dude it would be like in set you wouldn't be able to tell the difference to your channel like that in filmento if you went like the problem with infinity wall is that it has three too many characters everyone knows like the standard rule of uh 666 you're like what it's like six characters in a plot six characters in b plot six characters in c plot this was originally coined by steven spielberg and arthur c clock everyone knows this rule infinity wall breaks it just doing stuff like that and people like what the fuck are you talking about like actually legitimately arguing it as if it's real some people would think it was really good advice they probably would and you maybe they were told that fucking what's his face with the bad opinion uh what the guy who made the movie who said the marvel things aren't cinema what's his face um what's easy uh yeah he if you told him that he said it then they'd be like oh yeah of course six six or everyone knows that yeah oh yeah everyone knows that i mean of course i wonder how many i wonder what you could give and it's like people like Patrick williams of by telling him that like scorsese said it yeah it's like what do you feel about you know the the martin scorsese quote about you know the six six rule that they teach in film schools um that you know da da da just because he doesn't want to come across as if he doesn't know it maybe that would be embarrassing maybe not like maybe not have him like immediately believe it but i feel like you could make it and just seriously consider so many ideas that he would just otherwise dismiss like you know about the gate by saying he would frankly do you know searching it while during the conversation like oh shit oh shit do i not know this what is this what is this like he'd be he'd be looking trying i gotta do it when it's when you got his phone so he can well he's at his computer no he's you're out on a picnic with him in the middle of the desert dang that's least of my worries is what he's the six six six rule but maybe i would be curious you probably throw some of that deliberately there's a helicopter coming to pick you up in like three hours that's a that's an interesting idea like like the um like blood on the shield you know as a way to explain a trope or what not the six six six rule could be referring to just an ambiguous fake rule that people like whenever something crazy happens in a movie the six six six rule is people who defend it for ridiculous reasons that they you know are laboring under something like that oh yeah it's a six six six rule yeah yeah i'm just i'm amused by the idea of like fake movie rules like the wolf flower paradox when a character is unwilling to speak in a conversation that they absolutely would do because of the fact that the plot requires them to simply listen even though that sounds like it probably would be a real thing that that is a that's what you've named is a real thing i need to change it until it's not a real thing um i'm still so pissed andy chan got glass new fridge maybe pointless death line that long felt like the most forced way to 1v1 blur also high rags hello got glass i think they're they're assuming that they're referring to oh yeah because andy channel be andrew yeah no i i think that's a lame way to to have forced the end of his story as opposed to of uh just doing it more it just makes you think like what the fuck were they thinking with the exploding glass exploding glass was ridiculous my jaw was a gate when i saw that i was like what the hell is happening how was this even how was this even happening one thing but why would you chew what they want eat shrapnel right i was i was in the portion of the show we did this with bligh and uh well sorry midnight mass uh where i was just taking it all in and judging but being like all right where does it go where does it go where does it go and then when it's all gone to where it goes i'm like all right time to be critical i think that's been a free watching because you often just you know waiting to see what they do but then once you get all the answers like hmm i had some peepo sauce now i'm very peepo sauce double check okay uh imagine the thug guy going through the slappy game oh yeah yeah me and jay me and jay talked about this yeah that's that's a problem yes like genuinely i don't believe that kind of huge problem in a way the guy the guy goes up to these yeah so the the beginning where like the the contestants potential contestants get slapped in the face by the guy oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the thug is just gonna stab that dude he's gonna stab him and take his money he's gonna once he once the guy pulls out money he's gonna look around and when he's not there he's gonna punch the shit unless it's being done in like a crowded public place maybe that's why he chooses the bus station like that well we're shown that he doesn't only do it in the bus station but yeah but maybe with the thug it is a public place maybe that's the maybe it still doesn't feel like that i think i think we'd i think we would just have to be shown like a huge that he's doing it with the thug in a very public place but even then i feel like the thug isn't gonna let him slap him feel our thug is still punching back i i'm on it even if that bus station i could picture the thug deciding fuck it that's enough money that it's gonna help me and the police can chase me if they want to but right now i'm like dealing with so much debt that i don't give a fuck yeah and you know he doesn't have to stab him and kill him he literally just be like give me that briefcase where i'll fucking kill you and then if you guys refuse you can punch him take the briefcase yeah i just don't i don't think it works um i like the idea that the slapping almost determines whether or not they're viable as a squid game contestant to see what they're willing to go through for the money like it's like a test yeah at the same time i don't think this test works for all the contestants yeah well he is a viable candidate whereas he i don't think he would get through the slapping because the slapping also removes your dignity right i don't think that and characters you aren't going to be willing to give up their dignity may still be very willing to go through other ordeals to get uh squid game stuff right to get that the squid game prize money like him you know he's the example of the thing i'm saying rags talk about the us remake in new york we did that hours ago that's train to london um i feel like the ending should be ambiguous show him having up hanging up the phone and cut to black as soon as he does would have left a much greater impact i would have preferred that even if season two started with him doing the thing i like the idea that it ends with is he going to do it discuss both both are not unreasonable so uh i don't know the like would we say that for a lot of different final decisions from certain characters that are almost 50 50 um yeah we could uh but then again i don't know where i draw the line i i just feel like what i i do know i would have liked it better in this circumstance i i feel like it just fits for some reason i might not be able to describe um succinctly at the moment but um i don't know what do you think frango i don't know in general i don't know what do you think jago um i don't know i i feel like honestly um the entire the entire scene could have been cut and saved for season two where the guy where we're at where gihan sees the uh slapping faceman again i don't even feel that we need that in season one i like that just because it's a definitive piece of evidence that nothing has changed even with the old man having died it goes on us honestly you know i could i i think i prefer it not that he hangs up the phone and then it cuts i honestly would prefer it if he's like he's happy he's on the way to go see his daughter and then he just sees that and it's like fuck and that's the last beat that'd be interesting you can i think there's a lot of different places you yeah i think there's a lot of places with an ending like this that you could have cut it and ended it well can we at least all agree he sees it in his face drops and that's the end can we at least all agree that season two will be shit almost yeah absolutely yeah i feel like the games would be way more uh bombastic spectacular it'll probably be like two different groups of games at the same time or so i feel like that's gonna happen it's inevitable yeah i'm just bigger bigger bigger yeah some suit will say you look people love the fucking games we need every one game per episode at least two games in episode three that's like some other guy that the goat no three's too much there's another guy goes four and then the whole show is a game it never ends as long as it doesn't violate the rule of six six six six six yeah three apps so as long as there's not six to the power of six games in an episode you're good so that's the words like what about a game inside a game and it's like oh oh my god that actually might happen though yeah like the game isn't over when you think it is it starts up a new game straight away oh well that that could be all right to be fair the game isn't over when you think it is well the funny but they could do that well this is under the guise of cynical creation not like creative no yeah it was like that i was like yeah not when you think it is yeah that could totally fit in the car like the current split season a squid game yeah that could totally work but yeah um that's all the squid game you've had super chas oh boy i'm exhausted we got to seven hours uh it was wonderful so much was much talked about yeah six six six rule we've all learned it so um yeah i'll collect up the ones that came in today i'll add them to our listing i'm pretty sure the neck we've got a net loss of super chats to have to deal with so don't worry folks it's getting caught up with and eventually we've done it before we'll do it again we'll say hey that's it we caught up um then you'll just get more in no uh so will that be the end of efab forever then um updates tomorrow i'm pretty sure i'm on open bar i haven't actually checked with drinker for he's doing it on uh and then saturday will be efab and other than that i am working away on a video uh what about you guys what do you want what's going on with you what are you doing i got nothing new just chipping away hopefully that we what about you right oh i i kind of got it uh briefly a little bit before about the the vegas thing and um uh all of that but yeah things things will be coming don't worry don't worry jay one's the 13 season 13 breakdown something with that i'm going to wait for the specials to come out before i do that so that's going to come out next year at some point but i am doing something dr who related before then i'm doing you've seen this more you've seen what i'm doing i'm not going to create any hype or anti-hype for it right i wouldn't want to make people have expectations of any kind you could you confirm for me that it's very silly you want me to confirm that or that set expectations it's it's it's silly but it's also serious at the same time you know i like to think we have some fun but we make some points along the way i i'd say thematically it moved me thank you that's what i was going for oh no i said the loud part quiet and the quiet part loud i like the simpsons yes so do i oh man it's talking i played a simpsons game today you played a game yeah i heard it's uh what's it called road rage i heard as well it going man just how do you get those sounds so accurate just so good okay uh i just i always feel like this most i should say but thanks for hanging out with us for the seven hours folks and um another successful catch up thank you so much for uh for for donating and we will we will definitely get to all of them eventually other than that e-fap we'll see you on saturday yeah we will see y'all later it'll be a fun one oh you yeah