 No What is your take on the president's tour to South Africa? First of all, the president is at Liberty to move anywhere in the world. He is at Liberty. He is the president of the country. He is at Liberty to move. Now the problem comes him when the president finds himself in the situation where he lies to the people of Zambia. Okay? That's a problem. He lies? That minister who's at foreign affairs, I hope the president could sleep nicely today in Zambia and fire that minister or transfer that minister from foreign affairs to any other portfolio even in the province. One, we received a statement, press statement from foreign affairs that the president is going for two days' working visit in South Africa. A two days' working visit that is an official visit. The entire security wing in Zambia, it was at the airport, dead carpet. The president was giving a statement to the generalist. A very good statement. Immediately the president landed in South Africa. No red carpet. Nothing. Okay? Nothing. We just came out like Boman Losambo going to Kawishi Constituency in a GX. Okay? And we should not reduce the office of the presidency to that level. We should not reduce the office of the presidency to that level. That Kakuwo guy, he should know that ministry of foreign affairs is not Kapirim Poshi. Minister of foreign affairs is not Kapirim Poshi. Those senior technocrats at minister of foreign affairs, they would have been advising that minister. Let him advise the minister and the minister should advise the president. That is our work as ministers. The president is supposed to get the advice from us. That sounds too personal. It is not personal. It is imbalancing what happened in South Africa. Where we saw the president posing with opposition political party leaders from other countries. How do we explain to Uganda? How do we explain to Zimbabwe? How are we going to explain it? How are we going to explain it? There are things that a president, a republican president should do and not do. When you are in that office, there are a lot of things that you should know that I can do this. I can't do this. It is very unfortunate that the president of the republic of Zambia, he was seen having pictures with opposition political party leader from Uganda. Are you sure that my uncle president Musaibeni is happy that he has seen president Akainde Itilema with Bobby White? Are you sure he is happy? Are you sure that my elder brother in Zimbabwe is happy? My friend. He is just a human being. That's why we've got South Africa, for example, with the president Itilema, who sits in the parliament. So what's wrong with that, for example? We have maintained a traditional way of friendship in our continent. We have maintained that traditional way of friendship in our continent. And those guys lemba at the PS at the foreign affairs. She is a seasoned technocrat. Supposed to know all this. Supposed to advise the minister. And the minister is supposed to advise the president, No, we can't do this. And that function for the president to move from Zambia to go to South Africa just for a book launch. Ibu ku 30 in FAA book. Jeritandimulenga. Ibu ku. Because he is a republican president. In fact, he would have extended an invitation to the person who was launching that book. We have nice hotels in Zambia as the president of the country. He would have hosted those people. You mentioned that there's nothing strange about what launching a book was. Everything is strange. No. Everything is strange. That's part of his tradition. Something that the president can do as a opposition leader. Now he is a republican president. That office, that is an institutional office. It is an institution. When he was going to South Africa, he carried all the entire 18 million Zambians in that challenger plane. He is no longer a opposition leader. He is a president. The republican president for God's sake. There are things that he can do. And things that he can't do. Even me as a minister. There are things that I can do. And things that I can't do. What more the president? So for me, I would emphasize on president, to move that Kakuwa guy from ministry of foreign affairs. It's a big ministry. That ministry is big. It's not a small ministry. We don't even know if Kakuwa is married. We don't know. That's personal. Yes, because the leadership starts from home. From home, in the constituency, in the ministry. The issues of marriage. It's very important. That's why I'm saying. We don't even know if Kakuwa is married. What does the marriage has to do with the leadership? The ministerial position? When you are a married person, you will see life in a different way. Okay? Very different way. So the president, this president of ours, president Taka in the history of my elder brother from Wengwa, he should know that that office of the foreign affairs let him find a suitable person to operate in that office. It's not a small office. That office is not a small office. It is not a small office. If the president is very serious with his ministers, is very serious with governance of this country, if you see Kakuwa two months, one month in that ministry, then you just say, okwa man, we are just waiting for 2026 for these guys to pack and go. What happened in South Africa? Yeah. What happened in South Africa? What happened in South Africa? What happened in South Africa? We have been following international news. We have been following the Twitter for president Ramaposa. We went to that page. We browsed on that page. We browsed on that page. The president was blackout. Only a small statement which one of the officials issued. And in that statement it was president Akaende Ichidema wupe kete sko. Ok, a kete sko. A kete sko my friend is when I'm coming from Chambavadi I'm going to parliament motel. Then I remember that oh there's innocent people here. Then I pass through here. Hi my friend in the center. I'm here to just greet you because I'm going to parliament motel. That is a kete sko. That's why those our colleagues in South Africa have been mocking us that your president just came here for vacation. Maybe you may not understand his visits because maybe we might be used as a country to the old way of doing things. No there's no new way not chief marketing officer not chief marketing officer in parliament told us that is a chief sales rep. That's what is told us in parliament. President Akaende Ichidema he says how the chief sales person for Zambia. That's what he said. And it's on record. Ok, it is on record. So in terms of protocols, in terms of what there is Takwa Bati Fiyakare if you are new. Same standards. Last question. I have been in government for 5 years. As a minister for Kopa Bel province minister for Lusaka province there are instances when we received presidents at Lusaka Kenneth Kaonda International Airport and when we are going with Dr. Simwinga Dr. Ambassador Lombe, I would ask what type of visit is this? I remember when president Kavira came here they told me this is an official visit that was half god of honor at Kenneth Kaonda International Airport. When president Musi came from Boswana he was just here for official visit. He had talks with the president Lungu. We saw the soldiers were there but not the entire squad. When president of India came he came for state visit. You saw what happened at the airport, 21 guns to what? So we know all those things. So the president the problem of Pangava president is the most intelligent man in Zambia and is the only person who knows everything it is wrong. We know everything that is wrong. Let him consult let him just consult that's why we are saying can you change your minister of foreign affairs because the minister of foreign affairs he has embarrassed the president and we don't know what has embarrassed the president if it is those permanent secretaries administrator of foreign affairs who have failed to advise the minister or is the minister born is failing to get advice from technocrats because I know those people at minister of foreign affairs very intelligent people seasoned technocrats and some of them I moved with them 21 days in China those who are giving us protocols no you can't do this minister no equation minister because we are in a foreign country so answer it and one of them is the permanent secretary she is a very sharp lady and I can't believe it that we have found ourselves as a country in this imbalance let me now take you to the