 Everything is Tight brought the modem up here. So and router. So All right, folks as we're recording this And streaming it There is of course the horrible news that there is a shooter at the YouTube campus now I explain this in our pre-show recording for the patrons. So apologies for the Repetition and I'm gonna repeat it again in a couple of minutes, but this is not a breaking news show we'll acknowledge that it's happening and Tomorrow's show if there is something to discuss out of this once we know the facts we will the luxury We have not being a 24-hour news channel is we don't have to risk getting things wrong as we follow in the moment But their BBC is reporting shots fired at the YouTube campus in San Bruno. There's lots of people who work there on Twitter Verifying that that's happening. There's lots of speculation beyond that. We don't know So, you know, we're not gonna have a lot to say about it today until we actually know what's going on Except we hope everybody's okay. Yeah, we hope everybody's safe. Stay safe. Stay inside all that all that Really sad to hear. Yeah That's you know, that's where I work. It's where you work. It's where we're streaming. Yeah And my wife knows a lot of those people because she used to work there so We will have a lot of other news to talk about today, but I you know It would be inappropriate not to acknowledge that and I want to explain why we're not going to talk about it more, you know What's the DTNS Twitter it is daily tech news Because I want to tweet out that I'm okay, there it is Yeah, the verge and gadget recode they're all on this story now. Oh Yeah, my Twitter timeline is and the Twitter. Yeah, no, I think it's a Lot of confusion kind of more than anything. That's and that's why I don't want to pass along a lot of stuff because Granted there's people on the scene And you can trust that they are there and saying what's actually happening, but they may not have the full picture either So Alright Shall we begin? Let's do work regular show Not the way with the blue J in the but our regular All right, here we go Roger are you ready? Yes To record I mean, oh no, I'm oh you're just doing the other one. Never mind. Okay. I'm here. Here we go three two Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations To find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday April 3rd 2018 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merrick and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and also from Los Angeles. I don't know why my voice went up I'm Lamar Wilson our producer Roger Chang alongside as well Roger. How are you? I'm good as we're recording this The BBC recode the verge and gadget all reporting Police responding to shots fired on the YouTube campus in San Bruno, California We don't know what's going on. We're not a breaking news Outlet and we have the luxury of not having to chase after this. So for this show we acknowledge this Is happening certainly we'll follow it and if there's more to discuss when more facts are known We'll talk about it tomorrow on tomorrow's show But for now, we just hope everyone is okay at that campus in San Bruno as Lamar pointed out in the pre-show You know, we stream on YouTube. This this is our virtual workplace It was my wife's literal workplace at least down here in southern, California But she knows people at that San Bruno campus as do a lot of us. So We will we will keep following that. However, we have other things to talk about today So let's start with a few tech things you should know Snapchat launched a group video chat for up to 16 friends You can also tag a friend in a snap by typing the at symbol and then their username Seoul mayor Park Won-soon told coin desk Korea that the city plans to develop its own cryptocurrency called S coin to be used in social Benefits programs mayor also said Seoul will create a fund to support the advancement of blockchain development Seoul hired Samsung in November to create a strategy for blockchain based municipal innovation A little bit of a struggle in the federal government in Korea over cryptocurrencies and blockchain looks like Seoul's trying to push them into acceptance Let's talk a little bit more about chips Lamar Yes, and not the kind you eat Intel announces latest batch of eighth gen core chips Including the first core i9 chip for laptops, which until says it's 29% faster than it's 7th gen i7 With 41% improvement over or on total war Warhammer 2 which is a game and up to 59% faster for cave video editing the Intel Core i9 8950 HK is the first mobile Intel processor to offer six cores and 12 threads and is fully unlocked for overclocking until also announced i5 and i7 processors for laptops All the new chip support obtained memory modules the i9 i7 and i5 Coffee late chips are part of the company's eight series lineup No, as I watched a video of this releasing it in midnight, and I was like, oh, you know Got six cores 12 threads. That's cute. You know a cute That's the first laptop with six cores. I know but I have a desktop that has 18 cores Yeah You know, they're trying right The deal for laptops though, I mean It's a third of your cores that you have a big old clunky desktop you carry around with you Yeah, it's a big advancement these i9 processors in the laptop and and the kind of thing that will We're already seeing models being announced that these will be and then and it certainly is the kind of thing That's going to advance the portable gaming rigs at at powerful levels Well, and for somebody who doesn't do a lot of gaming That's me. I was like, well, you know, probably not gonna buy one But then I was like faster 4k video editing. Yeah, I see that now Well, you know, like that's actually something that I can get behind Especially with a laptop. Yeah a lot of there's a lot of I don't know what to call it Sturman drong to be over dramatic About Intel and the tic-tac phase and and whether these you know this h-series is really an advancement but these are some powerful machines and Generally Intel's claims end up to being close enough to real claims. So that total Warhammer You know benchmark a stat 47 and 40 41% improvement seems decent It's all a matter of whether you have the money to spend on these Spotify began publicly trading its stock on the New York stock exchange Tuesday as something called a direct listing you hear about IPOs all the time Spotify did things very differently That means instead of selling new shares to investors existing investors can sell their shares directly on the exchange trading opened at $165.90 Spotify is 12 years old has 70 million users a lot of users But it's actually never been profitable last year it posted an operating loss of 461 million in fact sources tell Ricoh that Spotify does not want to compete directly with big music labels At least it says it doesn't Assigning acts to recording Deals, but that over time it hopes that more artists small independent artists especially and labels Will choose to work directly with Spotify which has the added benefit for both artists and Spotify for better terms Yeah, so they're trying to walk a tie rope here The fact that Spotify isn't making money is not a shocker people like to make a big deal about that when when these IPOs happen The fact is none of these companies are making money. It's all about the trajectory nobody that's Actually a serious investor usually expects them to actually be making money. It's are you on pace? Are you on the trajectory that's going to have you giving me a really good return? You want to be in on a company before it's making money because you get it cheaper And then once they start making money, then you can sell that stock and make a lot of money, right? I mean, I'm not a financial advisor, but that seems to be the way it's supposed to work What Spotify is trying to do is keep the music labels on board and keep them happy And they are a notoriously finicky bunch at the same time realize that The labels are always going to take a large amount of their revenue They're going to have to create another revenue stream if they want to hit profitability and one revenue stream They could have a sign in those artists, but they don't want to steal the artists from the labels So they're like, we're not going to go out and sign artists, but there's some small labels They'd never go to you guys anyway. We can take them on board And at the same time Apple Music and Amazon are nipping at their heels It was very interesting to watch the morning financial Reports this morning because you know people, you know MSNBC or whoever I was watching was saying like, okay, well expert So what's it going to open at and she was saying well depends on who sells their chairs It you know, this is not this is not this is highly unusual for a company of Spotify's size Smaller companies have direct listed before it's not unheard of but it's it it does definitely point to Spotify Having some I guess in my opinion a long game goal that yeah, it's I think Spotify Feels that in the future It will have a much better opportunity to get better deals with independent artists if you look at a company like Pandora Which you know Pandora has a lot more competition than it used to so it's different in that way But you know it went public and it struggled making money as a public company because yeah Those licensing deals really really eat into its bottom line. Yeah There's a lot of people talking about whether this is going to become a trend to do direct listings because It's saved Spotify a lot of money They didn't have to hire banks to court the investors who they would sell their initial public offering to They just yeah, they had they had to hire some some folks to do a little bit of work, of course But it's a lot simpler to say we're just going to get on the stock exchange and let our existing investors Sell their shares if they want to You don't have to do the whole dog and pony show there. Yeah, and that's what that that's what Will help either you know drive up the price or not if there aren't a lot of people selling shares then those shares become But that much more People will want them more right because it's a supply and demand thing this morning They were saying you know everyone is kind of going like we'll just have to see we'll just have to see sort of what the what the price ends up being and And Yeah, it's it's awkward. I Daniel who's the who's the CEO of Spotify said well, you know We're not doing things traditionally because we're not a traditional company Which doesn't really mean anything but I am very curious to know is this the first step in something else that's really going to set Spotify Yeah, you know ahead of the competition or at least in a different category Yeah, it by the way it closed at a hundred forty nine dollars in one cent So it lost about twenty bucks over the course of the trading day one day Zipline which operates medical deliveries by drone in Irwanda and is expanding into Tanzania has been showing off its second generation at fixed wing Unmanned aerial vehicles these can fly 80 miles an hour. That's up from 68 miles an hour for the previous gen Zipline has also applied to take part in the United States Federal Aviation Administration's trial program It is a California based company So they'd love to take what they've been doing very successfully as a commercial operation in Africa and do it in the United States List of projects for what is called to the UAS integration pilot program will be finalized May 7th I love to cover Zipline because for years now Six years, I think this company has been doing drone deliveries And I still see stories like with a famous 60-minute story with Amazon someday things will be delivered by drone It's like these guys have been doing it in Irwanda with medical supplies important stuff Yeah, and it would be nice to see that happen here in our home country as well. I agree Cool. So back in February the California Department of Motor Vehicles approved new regulations on autonomous vehicles to go In effect April 2nd now along with the previous license to test the cars with the human driver Companies may now apply for two new licenses One that allowed testing of fully autonomous driverless vehicles and another license to deploy them to apply for the license companies We'll have to take or have to have tested them in a controlled environment and be able to monitor take control Remotely no one has yet applied for the new permits now as I was reading this article It made a really good point like it seemed like this is really bad timing You know Uber and Tesla just had Fatal accidents with autonomous vehicles But as I mentioned, this was this was approved in February It was scheduled to come out now anyway, but the the time the timing just seemed off I I know where people's fears are with you know when they hear about a fatal accident But I hate to be that person is like well How many do we normally have with regular people and you know, it's I think it's not gonna be a perfect driving situation I think we as society need to continue and do this And and push for this type of driving and vehicles despite You know the accidents that are inevitably going to happen with it I don't know what your thoughts on that. Yeah, yeah Now we've been talking about this quite a bit and and this is a good reminder that the world doesn't work on a PR cycle What the state of California is saying is? We are going to allow responsible tests to happen if you pass the test We've got a policy in place to allow you to do this This is not California saying everybody into the pool and start doing driverless vehicles It this is what you need first and in fact, California was criticized for not having this Earlier for the for the human assisted self-driving vehicles So it's good that they have the policy in place. That doesn't mean they're gonna issue a permit anytime soon these these Accidents are a testament to the fact that you have to have stringent testing And you have to make sure that your vehicles are as safe as possible before you release them to be used by the general public absolutely Mozilla announced Firefox reality well announced It's working on it anyway a browser designed to work with VR AR and mixed reality no release date But Mozilla says it'll be open source and cross platform truly cross cross platform Firefox reality will flip between webpages that contain 2d and 3d content and support voice recognition and also connected devices And who asked who asked for this? Hey, that's not how tech works People don't have if you're if you're using a browser in in VR, which you do sometimes if you're you're looking up a manual page It would be nice to have it be able to just be the thing that handled everything I think I think maybe Lamar what you're asking for is who wants to do a virtual reality website You're either doing a game or you're looking at the browser. That's what I'm asking Yeah, who wants to go through the trouble and re redo those kind of sites? I mean that'd be crazy of the whole internet have to have to redo that although and I'll just put it out Because there's a section of me that will never give up on this idea ma'am It would be nice if everything was club cross platform, right? And wouldn't it be great if the browser was where I went to play my games? And it didn't matter what headset Ecosystem I lived in and I could just fire up my browser and get to my game but Tom you can you're on Facebook, aren't you? Yeah That was really cool and it actually ties into our main discussion because we're talking about the HTC Vive Pro So let's get to that folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Subscribe to daily tech headlines.com Available on the Amazon Echo on the Google home in the anchor app And of course as a podcast in your favorite pod catcher That's still how we say it pod catcher So I guess Catch them Daily tech headlines All right, so the HTC Vive Pro is out of NDA all the reviews are out We've we've all been reading our favorite reviewers to get a cross section of what people are thinking and You know, we'll get into some more details here in a second, but the upshot is the HTC Vive Pro has a High quality screen highest quality screen. We've seen in a VR headset 2880 by 1600 It's real comfortable much more comfortable from the old Vive Pro and it's got built-in headphones now It's real expensive at 799 dollars, which does not include sensors or controllers So the upshot is if you're an arcade or a business and you can afford the price Then yeah, this is probably the best VR headset you could buy on the market If you're just a regular person you'd be better off buying an Oculus or maybe Samsung's HMD Odyssey or even the original HTC Vive which is still on sale as a bundle for $499 because folks if you don't realize The HTC Vive Pro sells for 799 dollars without the controllers or the base stations That help figure out where you are in the room and and the base stations are required, right? Yes, that's what I saw in a video So if you don't already have an HTC Vive and you buy a Vive Pro You're gonna want to plunk out an extra three hundred dollars for the kit that gives you the base stations and the controllers Yeah, so I watched quite a few videos on this I mean everybody put a video out from In gadget and and no doubt the resolution looks great They put them between you know the the old one and a new one it is it is definitely a step up the the sound Everybody's saying the sound sounds great. It's much more comfortable. You're sweating less but Is that worth the the premium that you have to pay to to upgrade and For a lot of people it's not because this isn't even VR 2.0. This is just like a kind of a stopgap They're still we're still waiting for the second gen to really come come around for the PlayStation We look and look for them to get theirs better which they're working on you the Oculus It's at an affordable price, but it's kind of been the same thing looking for them to refresh But if this is HTC's refresh, I am not impressed that in rhyme, but it almost did you mentioned all the Review the you know since the NDAs are over and the mentor hardware over it and gadget is one of my favorite reviewers and you know One of the issues I have is we are back in the day. It's like ants clunky It's you know, is it comfortable? Do you know to fit your face because everybody has different faces and he said My my forehead was still a bit sweaty after a few hours of testing But at least I wasn't left with any lasting pain around my face. It's like, okay Well, yeah, I mean who wants pain, but the sweaty forehead thing is like the this is the reason that You know and I know it's different for everybody and I know a lot of people would be like well I would never share this anyway. So what does it matter? But you know, I don't even like you know, you know, if someone uses my headphones and then I got to use them again I feel kind of weird about that, right? Yeah, these are the things where I'm like, you just you know, it's it's it's that it's that feeling of Suffocation or at least claustrophobia that you know reading this review it's like sounds better sounds better and there are foam cushions that you can replace but The issue that I have is still there. It's yeah, you know, you still got a Still got to put this whole apparatus on I think that's still my issue of VR in general and again You mentioned claustrophobia. It's just once you're closed in you have no sense of what's going on around you I'm not saying someone's gonna break in your house as that's happening, but you just don't you don't know what's happening I remember I tried the mark Microsoft's AR was so much better because I could see everything that was going on So that's my preference VR is still not attractive for me But now that I have a computer that can handle it I'll I'll definitely consider playing around with it, but I just don't see it as for a regular consumer $800 it's you know, it's you really have to be an enthusiast Absolutely well and beyond that. I mean the original HTC Vive was around $800 bundled with the Controllers and the base stations. I bought it. I remember yeah now. It's $800 without those things So it's really $1100 if you're buying it from scratch if you don't already have The controllers in the base stations Hayden Dingman over at PC world was one of my favorite reviews that I read today He said the Vive Pro is the Bugatti Veyron supercar of virtual reality headsets an exotic expensive creature for VR connoisseurs Yeah, I can't afford a bugatti either, but yeah, you know, but I get it That's and and generally the consensus seems to be that this is a great advance in the screen But that screen doesn't always pay off Certainly with reading text you can stand closer to the text now and it's it's sharper But some games look better than others on the new screen and there was even I think it was Halo The Halo VR version was so optimized for the old screen that it looked worse on the new screen Because it wasn't upscaling its vectors and and it wasn't adapting itself So, you know just having the new screen doesn't mean that all the games you play are gonna be better anyway Which is another reason that if you're like I have to buy VR now I'm finally in you still might want to buy an HTC Vive instead of the Vive Pro because even though because the only thing you're really paying for is the screen and Yeah, that screen's better But it's still got some of the the meshing, you know The screen door effect and some games aren't gonna look better anyway is really worth an extra $600 from scratch To have slightly sharper text sometimes So basically you're gonna buy one aren't you? No, I am not gonna buy one I actually already have the base station and the controller So I wouldn't have to pay the full freight 1100 but no I I don't even think I'll buy this when the new base station and controllers Come out. They've got new accessories coming out later this year. I imagine they'll be a new bundle They'll probably discount the price a little bit then at least under 1100 I would hope yeah But even then this isn't a big enough advance for me. I I can use the HTC vibe. Absolutely. That's already out Yeah, I feel like we have to Get to a point where this is and I know there's latency issues will get this wireless That was my biggest problem with the what the PlayStation one I have no it is great for consumers It's a great product but it It was so many wires and it was attached to another box that you didn't have to attach to a PlayStation and it just has to get to a point where you can just put this on and Maybe even have a core like that like this is for my you know I'm just wired in so I can hear here said he's a Bluetooth, but Something like this would be great as far as the set of all those mini cables that you have or just wireless period I look forward to those days. I don't think that's I don't think we're there yet Browser comes out Wireless adapter coming probably later this year. We just don't know what Party add-ons for the vibe that you can get there around 300 bucks right now. So wireless is here It's just not fully here. Yeah, okay So that's another reason to wait though. It's like right around the corner I mean, we're going to get it probably by the end of this year from HTC like Just don't understand. All right It is time now to thank all the people in our subreddit. Thank you I'll teach you stellar and Scotty Rowland and all the people on our subreddit who keep it clean up and moderate for us That's at daily tech news show reddit.com and of course our Facebook group as well and all the moderators there facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show Let's check in with Chris Christensen now for a new way to charge your phone while you're screaming This is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute Have you ever been to a theme park and you're taking pictures and you're calling people and you're putting things up on Instagram and pretty soon you're running out of charge. Well, there is a theme park in Surrey in England Thorpe Park that has a Solution to that but there's a catch They're basically going to recharge your phone on a ride that is themed with the post-apocalyptic zombie series the walking dead But they're going to charge your phone more if you scream more now the article I read said they're actually converting your screams into the energy. They're using to charge your phones I don't know about you, but I'm a little skeptical about that But it is a great marketing ploy that they're going to get people to scream more in exchange for that They're going to charge their phones and it probably doesn't matter what you scream You could be screaming charge my phone. I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler I'm gonna guess this thing just charges your phone and that the screaming thing is entirely I love the idea of being able to charge my phone on a ride though. That's great How about charging it while I'm waiting to get on a ride, you know that hour and a half? Yeah wireless charging like She-standard just right there in the waiting area make it happen. All right. Let's check the mail bag Sarah Let's this one comes from John a lots of information here So I'll parse it best I can John says not often do you hear CBRS mentioned anywhere? So it got my attention. I'll need to finish listening to the entire DTS episode before I comment too much on specifics on what you said However, I've got some information I've included links to two visualizations one picture from her press release the other from a technical paper to give you an idea of What's known as exclusion zones or the areas that have to be vacated when a ship appears in a given protection area? He does link us to a press release picture This is your this is stuff you can get online So we'll add it to our show notes the pictures showing a ship not to size not pointed out by a Facebook Commenter entering the gray offshore designated protection area also shown are the users specifically noted where they must vacate the spectrum Which is in red or continue usage, which is in blue. He also links to a paper He says it's by a colleague of mine Not myself with a picture showing the range of potential coverage zones the quick summary is that they're discussing different assumptions that can be made when calculating the exclusion zone and and where and where users Must vacate the spectrum and how those assumptions affect the size or shape of the exclusion zone Yeah, so this is in regard to the the CBRS story. We had yesterday, which said that Citizens under this proposal from Google would share the spectrum with the military and we were you know making what I always consider a dangerous assumption That like oh well if you're in the middle of the country, this probably isn't going to apply to you His his links show coastal areas because it's Navy So the ship comes in and it kind of knocks out the people near the coast in Boston and in the one visualization but people farther inland can still use the spectrum and and This obviously would need to be used with supplemental and I don't think you're I actually be curious And maybe John knows the answer to this. I don't know that you're entirely blocked under Google's proposal I think you're just de-prioritized so all the military traffic is given priority and then they can send your traffic So you might just be slowed down. I Have no thoughts on this. I heard calculations and I went numb. Yeah, okay, so Upshot is Lamar that if this worked It would be spectrum that the carriers wouldn't have to buy to use which would make it cheaper for them to roll out service Would it be cheaper for us? Well, that's a whole different question It you know, thankfully competition in the US has not Dwindled so far and wireless as it has in wired So hopefully somebody would be like, yeah, well, I can use the spectrum. I can actually start service I don't have to rent it from somebody else. I don't have to be an MD and oh You know, maybe I will use this and provide cheaper service. Maybe it would spur some competition in which case Yeah, I would be cheaper The information John and thanks also to Lamar Wilson for being on the show as always good to have you What's new? What's new and how can people keep up with it? Well, this this whole thing I saw someone in chat saying my background was new. Yeah, I have a brand new PC that again not sponsored but You know origins, which one of those fine companies that do custom PCs Literally a beast of a computer like it's ridiculous. No one should have this the 18 core today to 1080 10 tis Yeah, crazy hard drives and so I have a video of that I might I might shout out if you want to watch the unboxing of that and a setup in this room It has a little surprise on the side of the panel, but yeah, I'm getting used to I haven't used to PC Since 2011 so so this is uh, you know, this is new for me sitting in front of two monitors again I'm excited about it and I share that With you all in the video. So yeah, make sure you check that out on my YouTube channel youtube.com slash Lamar Wilson. Oh cool Yeah, it was $10,000 gaming PC. I'm not jealous at all Shouldn't be your 16 cores 18 sir 18 16 doesn't matter Rob After about six or eight doesn't matter You're right 18 cores man. No, that's that's a screaming machine. 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We got something for you at dailytechnewshow.com slash store Questions comments good information like John sent us feedback at dailytechnewshow.com is our email address We're also live Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 20 30 UTC You can find out more at dailytechnewshow.com slash live back tomorrow with Scott Johnson talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network. Get more at frogpants.com There were many people like back up here is not worth tip down I can make my own for six and five I was like oh do it get the video $10,000 exactly Yeah, that that was the one I was like those things by themselves are crazy Right now. I'm leaning towards out of touch with reality. I assume you're suggesting I thought I was like no no no sorry title for the show Out of touch with reality It is that's like a used that's a used Toyota Corolla like and that's just like a few years old It doesn't make any sense. It really really doesn't but it looks pretty like like I see the cards You know clear. I never had an open case like I could look through so it's nice But yeah, it's ridiculous Turn your camera to face it. Okay Let's see it. Let's see it. Let's see So and then there's an Elgato Streamy card right in the middle. That's a 4k card and the 210 80 ti's No, that's 280 ti's liquid cooling. Liquid cooling has the processor there 64 gigs around 20 it's a 20 not a 2011 board. Yeah Yeah, it's their enthusiast chipset. Yeah, so that's nice. I Can tell by the layout of the RAM So it says everyone go time to put that in yeah, I'm good with that M2 hard drive SSD really not hard Yeah, it's a it's cool. All right. Let me get out of the post I hope it can run my craft because I've been really trying to you know I don't know if it's powerful enough for the game up your Minecraft game Like I try to do mind sweeper and it like it closed on me. It was like not powerful enough. So I'm not sure Well, that's because you were doing an infinite number of cells That's what it was. Yeah, that might have been it 10 by 10 16 by 16 or infinity by infinity. Oh, it's infinity by infinity. I got to tell you Crash No, no, seriously, I put Far Cry 5 on here. Yeah ultra and it's like, oh my god. I think I was looking at people Really really good. Well, yeah, that's we didn't bring this up in the in the HTC discussion, but When you can get 8k on your eyes That's when VR suddenly is like you're just looking out the window, right? Yeah, and the only limit is how good the designers are at that point. Yes We will be there like that's going to happen. It's just a matter of price more than anything Bring it down to a a level that that people you can afford to make it for people I wonder if that's one of the things holding up magically to be honest is they they want to do something That's just not affordable yet I'm starting to believe in magically because they actually shipped a couple developer kits So I'm like, okay, you've actually made a product That people have in their hands That's a that's a that's a big step from I told a person not to tell you but I've got a thing Do you want me to end early so you we can get you can get out of here Tom Yeah, we probably should I'm just so if folks are curious I'm gonna be on comedy film nerds podcast if you're a fan Or if you're not go check it out comedy film nerds gonna be talking ready player one with those guys So looking forward to that. Awesome. You did see it, right? Yeah Really bad show if I like no guys. I didn't see it. What a stupid question, of course No, you're just trying to give us a gotcha question. You're like did actually see it. No, I didn't Yeah, I got a chance to go to the premiere. It was really really nice. Steve's billboard was there which I've never seen him a person Oh, yeah, he's a small man. He's a small man. He's a small man But he's he was very joyful like a very very happy. He said like he's a nice guy. Yeah, and Don't forget folks, you know and not to end on a down note But there is that shooting situation at the YouTube campus in San Bruno. I've been following it on the BBC There's nothing no new facts are out Google Investigating the police are there ambulance are there. That's really the only facts that we know So we will discuss it once we have a little distance from it know more about what's happening Tomorrow, okay. See you guys tomorrow. Take care