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I'm a member of the community one scheme for Swavesy, and I'm also a notification of the application from Swavesy Parish Council for biodiversity, and I haven't had any dealings with it, but have noted it in as a parish council. Thank you very much. I have nothing else to move on. A agenda on number three, it's a meeting for the previous meeting. Did you need to say something on this one, Ron? Yes, please chair. I did forgive me first set. I kindly had some review from officers that came in after I published, so I will display the changes on screen. If the committee is content with the changes, we can go for the minutes as displayed in one second, sorry. So with minute six changes as written in blue, can everyone see that okay? The words in it are more difficult. That's fine. So that's changes to minute six and then just a couple of tweaks to minute seven. Yep. Yep. And then if members had any further comment. Are we okay with the changes? Operational stuff. Okay, that's perfect. Thank you very much. So I'll just go over this then bearing those in mind. So page three of your agenda, which will be paid one of the minutes, page two, page three and the last bit page four. Anyone got anything to say? If not, can I sign them off? Yep. Thank you very much. Here we go. The agenda item number four. I'm looking over to our officer colleagues. You Emma, for this one. Yeah. In that case, care to get a seed funding for mobile community warden schemes. There are a few things. Thank you chair. So this is item four on page seven. Care to get a seed funding for mobile community warden schemes. As you'll know, this was deferred from last month. You'll also know that a decision was made to administer a direct grant of £7,500 to the Melbourne Mobile Warden Scheme. This is for taking over the management of the Haarston District Village Warden Scheme, trust me. The remaining £21,000 decision on this was deferred. We initially said that we would like to run a one off grant scheme. We've recently met with the lead officer for the Cambridge Council Care Together team. We discussed alternative options for the use of this funding, including the option, as discussed in last committee, to coordinate promotion centrally without the need to run a grant scheme. We've checked the grant scheme and we've spoken to them. They intend this particular fund to reach individual organisations, for them to seek innovative ways to promote their own schemes. So we would still recommend that we still run the grant scheme as proposed. This time, what we've done in the papers, we put some amendments into the criteria to provide clear examples of alternative methods of promotion. If you look on page 13, there's a few examples that we've provided. I'd just like to note that it's important to note that the community warden schemes are run independently of the county and district councils, and we'll have different funding needs. For example, one scheme might have already carried out a promotional campaign, but could instead apply for additional warden hours, or provide a number of free introductory taster sessions. We believe that in the criteria, there's enough options available for the warden schemes in the district. Officers at this council and also at Care Together Team at County Council will continue to play a role in promoting and supporting the schemes, and where appropriate will facilitate opportunities for district-wide promotion and discussion with other potential funders of the schemes. As you'll know, we're commissioning an independent organisation known as Rhoads Regeneration, and they're currently evaluating the social value and costs that could be avoided in other parts of the health and social care system by providing labour warden schemes. The results of this evaluation will hopefully also provide some further insights into how schemes can increase numbers of service users. I hope that's enough information for you. I welcome your comments. Thank you. Thanks, Emma. First of all, thank you very much for going back to County for us on what I do and coming back with an answer. Any comments? Councillor Enson? I fear that having found that our proposal from last time has not been accepted by the county. I would point out that every single example on page 13 of what you might do has been tried and done several times in my particular mobile warden scheme. Therefore, I have some doubts as to whether throwing £2,000 at it will make one IO true of difference. However, I wish to ask whether, as Age UK runs the whole community warden scheme on behalf of several organisations, whether they might be allowed to submit an application on behalf of the nine community warden schemes that they run so that they can use their publicity campaign together to support the community warden schemes that they're responsible for. Thank you, Councillor Enson. Anybody else? I'll jump in to what you're thinking. I kind of echo what Councillor Enson has been saying, actually. When we had our workshop as you were there and Catherine, it was quite a lot of discussion about this, actually, on future funding in my have you. Without blowing one's trumpets too loud, we've been doing this as schemes for quite a number of years and are quite good at it. Hence, you'll see the figures in my have you that came out. Age UK is starting out in that process and Pater Elbow, they're doing what they're doing, that's fine. But the big thing is the funding and doing bring and buy sales and selling cheap tax on your front of your house to raise funds is not the way forward for this. And if the system, the ICS, what you call the ICB and the County Council Adult Social Services, want schemes which are going to keep people out of residential care and save them money, they need to think out of the box. This is simple as that. Myself, I'll go along with the recommendation, but as with Yorker itself, I'm very much dubious that this will be of any benefit at all. I think they're chucking money down the drain, frankly. Thanks. Councillor Hanlon. Yeah, thanks Chair. I agree with you. I'm happy to vote in favour of this paper. But I think there's still a lot of work that needs to be done, particularly with the ICS. I think until we get a really joined up system, there's always going to be struggle. Actually, we both mentioned the ICS now twice. Is this something this committee would like, actually? And I would quite like it. If we were to ask, it may not necessarily be here, it might be in a workshop perhaps, but to ask a fairly senior member of the ICS to come along or some of their members of staff to come along and say, this is what we do. What you need to do is to put your hand in your pocket. You don't have to go too deep. We don't need masses of money. We just need an amount. Councillor Hanlon. I think that's a great idea. We should wait until we get the data from the... So, I'll wait until we get the data and then ask them to come and speak with us. Superb. Anybody else to speak? Councillor Sanford. So, we're proposing to defer this again until we've heard from the ICS. OK, we'll go through with this, but it's too separate. Yeah, this needs to be done. Otherwise, this is going to be lost. So, we need to do what Councillor... They can't put the money over to us, which is great. So, we just need to play ball, and we'll play ball, but I think we've noted our feelings. We've deferred it once with our feelings, and now we're very vocal on this one. And obviously our excellent officers are very much aware of this. So, can I take it as a recommendation in that we just... We just noted, basically, women. This is noted, isn't it? Recommended, noted. As per the recommendations to league member for resource. Actually, yes from us then. Thanks. OK, agenda right number five. So, this is the... For those not familiar with Emma Dianow, this is the Emma Diol Show. So, although we have got another act coming on later on. So, agenda right number five, community chair's funding applications. Over to you Emma, thanks. Thank you chair. So, you'll be pleased to know we have five applications this month. They total £4,971.95, one of which is a biodiversity project. So, on to page 25, we have Barhill Village Hall. This is a well used community building that allows local residents to take part in a variety of activities. These include kick fit classes, bingo, music events and private parties. As can be seen in the photo, the current floor is bubbling up in several places and poses a health and safety risk. Total costs to uplift and remove the existing floor, screed and supply and lay a new vinyl floor are £8,883.18 plus VAT and £2,000 has been requested from the community's chest. The parish council will be contacted to see if they can provide part funding, but they've said that the shortfall can be met from their own reserves, the village wall reserve should I say, should additional funding not be possible. We have support from councillor Bounty Waters. Thank you very much. Thanks Emma. Colleagues, this seems very much within the scope of our remit and obviously councillor Bounty Waters has supported it very much so from my words. Anyone got any comments? Can I assume that we're going to approve? I recommend. Thank you. Emma. Thank you. Page 26, we have the Well-Brahams. They're a group of volunteers based in Great and Little Will-Brahams on the sixth well bottom. They give support to people and their carers experiencing mental ill health. All of their initiatives are provided free to ensure equal access for all. There's some examples of the work that they've included. Well, some of the examples of the work they've done are educational evenings and maintaining the village orchards, coffee mornings, sports days, et cetera. You can see those on the paper. What they would like to do is deliver three days of multi-sports activities combined with creative mindfulness sessions. That's for local children aged 4 to 11. That's during the summer holidays. Two specialist facilitators will run the sessions along with volunteers from the Well-Brahams. Total costs are £1,500 and £1,300 has been requested from the community chest. You can see the breakdown of the required amounts for the trainers and the practitioners. Little Will-Brahams parish council are contributing the remaining £200. Just one thing to note, I did share this application with a local activity coordinator, the council, and he's offered to attend the sessions as well as to offer any help, support and delivery where needed. He said he could also deliver some basic and introductory information on healthy eating with some activities around this, which is definitely interlinked with mental health and wellbeing. We have support from Councillor Graham Cone and Councillor Carla Hoffman. Thank you. The paragraph under the bullets on page 27 that says Young Mind's websites of one in six children identify as having a mental health problem in 2020 and only one in three out of being diagnosed. I'm actually thinking it's actually worse than that, much in figures that are worse. So this looks like a real good one. Comments from my colleagues, Bill Hanlon. Thanks, Chair. I'm very supportive of this. It sounds a fantastic project. In fact, I'd quite like to hear what the outcome is. See how the day goes, maybe at a subsequent meeting, even if it's just a two-minute, this happened, here were some photos. Excellent. I certainly have got, recently I've met people in, we've had some really serious agendas, so we want them at the time, but we can, I think members nodding me because I think Councillor Sunita. Sorry about that. So, I think each bit of information they've given of what they're going to do is excellent. And I think I would fully support it because I wish there were more projects like this. Thank you. But I think we're going to vote on this and be there. That's a lovely nod through. You could post on our thanks and wish them every success. Thanks. Thank you. So, page 28, we have Cottenham Community Centre. This is another well-used building providing a benefit to around 300 plus individuals on a weekly basis. And at this building, the Cottenham Knitting Group is one of the local groups that wants to use the centre. The 15 members of the group have various charities and individuals in need, locally and beyond. Examples of items knitted by the group are hats and mittens for babies at the Rosie Hospital and cat blankets for wood green pets charity. The knit and matter sessions also provide a much-needed social benefit to those that attend. So, the community centre has asked members to make a small donation to cover the cost of heat and light for these sessions. So, the community centre has asked members to make a small donation to cover the cost of heat and light for these sessions. But due to the significant increases in the cost of raw materials and the cost of living pressures, the group are no longer able to fund these materials, all the postage that is needed to descend them out in the packaging as well. So, this works out at around £250 a year. And all of this has been requested by support from two councillors, Councillor Eileen Wilson and Councillor Annika Osborne. Thank you. Thank you, Emma. So, this is very close to my heart, because I know you're all thinking that what I'm about to say is that can't possibly be true. She's not old enough, but come October I will be a grandfather. And so, hats, mittens and bags for babies seem to be very much in my focus at the moment. I think this is a fabulous, it really is fabulous to be fair at what they do in here. And it's for piddens, if you look at the what they've asked for. So, Councillor Annika. Thank you, Chair. I was thought you were going to explain how proficient you are at knitting, but sorry, so I'm quite disappointed actually. Yeah, I mean, the only thing I would say here is what about the parish council? They don't appear to be provided information or if they can enlighten us. I believe they, I don't know if they have approached them, I think it's because it's a very small amount they probably just thought they would try community tests. It's a good point. Perhaps if we are minded to approve which I'm not looking at anyone saying no, perhaps we could put a little love note back in there to say really, parishes should be sorting them in. This is a drop in the ocean for the parish. And it would have been much more beneficial to the parish to fund it rather than us. So, yeah, from a publicity point of view. Anyway, I think we are, are we minded to, we're minded to go with anyway, so that would be fine. But just for that little love note, that would be great. Thanks. Thank you. It's a page 29. We have the Edge Community Youth Club. This is in Comberton and it's attended by around 50 young people in years 7 to 13. It is a free club and provides a place to meet activities and somewhere to find support. What the club would like to do is to enhance their craft provision. So, crafting is a very good focused activity for young people struggling with anxiety and social, emotional and mental health. This helps them to engage with adults and other young people. Total project costs are £92.24 for a variety of different art and craft materials and all of this is being requested from the community chest. The parish council already funds three youth workers at a cost of £3,750 and the Comberton Baptist Church provides two additional adult volunteers. They've said that recycled materials will be used where appropriate and any other left over materials will be stored to be used in the future in a way. We have two councillors in support, Councillor Ariel Khan and Councillor Michael Atkins. Thank you. Colleagues, I think this is a yes. Thank you, I may be resounding support from councillors anyway, so it's great. And the parish council has got around in their pocket as well. I think that's a yes then from us. Thank you. Then on to page 31, we have our biodiversity application. So this is from Swavesley Parish Council and what they'd like to do is create a community garden for residents to be located at the 1970s Carter's Way Priory Avenue housing sites. So this is currently an empty area of public open space and you can see that in the photographs there's a lot of tarmac, sort of redundant sort of area. What they would like to do is provide five large raised planting beds to encourage insects and pollinators back into the area. On the existing tarmac painted games for younger children will be provided, similar to those often found in primary school playgrounds. A few of the surrounding walls will be painted with murals. As the area doesn't have a water supply, careful consideration will be given to the type of soil provided in the raised beds and the type of species of plants. Local residents are very much in support. They've also agreed to help water and maintain the planted areas. They've sought advice on planting and the local biodiversity and sustainability community group are also involved in the project and will be able to use the new area for biodiversity and community activities. Total project costs are £1,770.08 and community chest grant funding of £329.71 has been requested for the raised herb garden part of the project and also some plants for the other raised beds. The parish council are funding the remaining £1,440.08 and it is hoped that also some of the plants will be donated from local residents and they're going to consider using soil from what's been dug out of a local wildlife pond in community orchard. I've also shown this application to Siobhan who's with us and also John Cull now our natural environment team leader and they've given their opinions as well and councillor Sir Wellington you're also in support. Comments please, thank you. Thank you Emma. As I said, this is my patch. So I will say what I've said and then go away. The comment about wanting a clear commitment from the applicant to take into account the need of pollinating insects in deciding spot species I have a reply here that I've got to find the right place but we do really want to green this area up and increase biodiversity net gain there maybe I should have stressed that more in the application. Provide five large planting areas so some ample space to increase biodiversity. The children's play part is minimal and has to be there as that's what the area is registered for but can be a lesser part. If you actually look at the pictures there are no windows that overlook this area. So if you've got small children you can't send them out to play in this area. It was a real mistake in planning to be truthful. It's a large chunk of concrete. Concrete floor concrete walls nobody wants the children to make a noise because it's their backyard if you see what I mean in pinches and so they're trying to make it very much more an area where people can meet can sit and drink coffee can be a communal area rather than anything else and it needs softening because it's just not not acceptable as any way you want to go and sit in the sun or anything else at the moment until it gets some plants and flowers and things to make it happen. I'll shut up. Councillor Henley. I know this area quite well I used to live quite close to this many years ago. It does need brightening up I agree and it's a relatively modest sum but I do question whether the biodiversity standard funding is the right one for this and it might have come out of the community chest but I'm not going to argue over it I think it's a relatively modest sum and it should make a big difference in the most particular area. Councillor Henry. So I appreciate what's been said about biodiversity but I feel that when children are involved with planting and learning about herbs and that's a great deal of value and as Bill says it's clearly it's not much to ask for. Thank you. I'm just going to work out how much they've actually applied for a total project cost 300 something 329 OK which seems a reasonable amount for the obvious vast improvement in this area so I'm inclined to support. It's a good point that Bill's just raised in regards to the zero carbon or biodiversity sorry about all community chest so That was something I was debating on Shall we just can we move it across and take it out of the community chest? We could do that whatever you think I just thought because of the biodiversity element She's going to be happy I mean it's only 329 quid she's going to say Sorry, I have to speak as a precedent it probably is better coming from the community chest by biodiversity because it's not as clear cut in that by diversity pot. If you wouldn't mind doing that then and could you notice how obviously we've done it and obviously that will affect the ability to come back to the community chest if you're just going to have to do a grant so they can only come back for 1600 and something now alright thanks so that's the national approval yeah lovely. Right so we're moving on to agenda item 6 but before we do before we do I understand that someone in this room is leaving the business and going somewhere else yes and that is Sheffaul Mellon and Sheffaul was one of the first officers who I came across so speak when I first came here in 2010 and I'm sure you a bit before me so I'd just like to say thank you for all the help and support and advice that you've offered me personally and the rest of us over the time and wish you well in whatever you're going to be doing we will miss you terribly so before I burst into tears I think that's about as much as I'm going to say so anybody else wants to say anything then crack on Right now we've done that bit if you want to go on and crack Thanks Emma Right so we have a new officer in the name of Aula so you're going to be presenting this item for us and over to you, thanks Have you logged on with your card? Lovely Hello everyone, nice to meet you all so this is round 5 of the Zero Carbon Communities grant scheme just before we kick off properly I could just direct your attention to page 49 and 50 of your reports pack just some corrections to make so Land Beach Village Hall the amount applied was actually £15,000 which does adjust the total funding recommendation to £25,900 £67 however that £900 over the allocation for this grant scheme can be absorbed by an underspend from a previous project from round 1 so that's accounted for so that's that first area just to point out and then the second one I'm afraid is Townley Memorial Hall I've put in the funding recommendation column £4,000 that is £0 we're not recommending them for funding they are unshaded but yeah I thought I'd just clarify that to start but yeah are you right to share the slides? okay so I do have some quick slides just to bounce through to start so yeah as I said this is the fifth round of the scheme and exciting that after the funds are awarded for this round we will have spent £500,000 over five rounds and we've got some exciting comms planned around that as a celebration and obviously the purpose of this grant scheme is to help community groups to tackle climate change on a very local level so the total pot for this round was £125,000 and that includes the 25% uplift that was agreed by members for this round to increase the funding for this kind of community led carbon reduction scheme so yeah applications were open in June and community groups were invited to apply for between £1,000 and £15,000 under two categories so the first is carbon reduction or looking up carbon and the second is community engagement around climate change so yeah this is just a breakdown of the scoring criteria so yeah there are scored against three criteria the first of which is how they meet the category that they've entered into the grant scheme and there's the carbon reduction all the community engagement and then what additional value they contribute so how much funding the organisation has found to put towards it and any experts they've consulted or collaboration between different organisations and the third is how sustainable is the project like what is its lifetime impact so yeah if you'd like to click on Lauren, thank you okay so overall £200,641 were requested from 18 separate applications and 16 organisations so we did have two organisations this time Cambridge Carbon Footprint and Swavesy Squash Club who submitted two applications each and yeah there was a really diverse exciting range of projects including the sort of areas that I've listed there so yeah is a good go on thing so yeah this is a breakdown of our funding recommendation in the carbon reduction category just a few notes on our scoring methodology just so you understand the kind of process that went behind this so in the carbon reduction category we used a metric of the kilograms of CO2 equivalent saved for £1 of funding requested obviously community engagement is slightly harder to quantify we did have some numerical indicators that said they were going to directly reach in how many would be sort of like more loosely influenced but that was kind of more down to the judgment but yeah so returning to this category so a £69,805 pound spend recommended between six projects so three of those are solar PV and one cavity wall insulation one lighting upgrade and one electric vehicle the details of the project are not recommended for funding and the rationale for why those aren't funded you can find those in the appendix if you have the report, no happy to answer any questions on those so yeah and if we move on to the last slide so yeah these are this is a sort of breakdown of the recommendation for the community engagement projects so a total of £56,995 spent in this category and in this category from three different organisations no yeah that's right because there's two from Cambridge Carbon Footprint both the top scoring projects in this community engagement category and both aligning very well with the council's own work firstly the repair cafe with our current food waste campaign, well food waste but like the waste campaigns running at the minute and the second the thermal imaging and home energy support project aligns really nicely with the work that we do in the climate environment teams part of the Cambridge Energy Retrofit partnership and then Cambridge Sustainable Food their food projects network and then Let's Cook their food education project so those are the projects recommended for funding in the community engagement category and yeah that is the whistle stop talk thanks you're welcome right can we go to Councillor Harvey online if that's okay over to you Jeff yeah can you hear me certainly can okay great I just wanted to say that because I remember in the early days we sort of picked through these applications and sort of checked the scores and everything I mean I read through all the applications and looked at the scoring this morning and have to say I would have scored exactly as the officers have here so I think they've done a great job on that it sort of interests and intrigues me every year that there are such variations in what seem to be the cost for very similar projects and I wondered if as this continues on hopefully year by year we could provide some sort of starting sort of base information for applicants to to kind of show them sort of the average I mean for pvs on community buildings we've got we've had to few of those now so it might be useful to know in advance for people who haven't made the effort to look back through the minutes of previous meetings what the sort of average cost is per kilowatt hours saved per year because some of these always seem to be sort of you know you can get some applications that literally double what other community organisations have achieved which seems intriguing and I suppose also the the sort of metric you've used is interesting as well because so the metric for you know for example the one at Milton which was essentially a sort of intelligent controller and as the officer report sort of points out scores very poorly in terms of the amount of money that it would cost to do that and it still end up with a gas boiler so I think that metric might be useful to sort of and I apologise if I did read the sort of application notes but maybe it's in there and I sort of skipped over it but I just thought that might be useful to help people for future applications that was all. Thank you very much councillor. We can expand guidance to maybe include some estimations around averages for solar PV projects. It's worth mentioning that some of these projects are part funding through the ZCC grant and some of them are contributing quite a lot of funding themselves to do larger sort of solar arrays so that can throw off that metric a little but yeah, thanks very much for that feedback. Thanks councillor Harvey. Anyone got any other questions for Ola and Siobhan? Because you won't get much out of Siobhan after the next couple of weeks. Okay in that case and Peter Peter, big point. Yeah, thanks Geoff. The electric van £20,000 seems like a very low sum for any vehicle little an electric van. Have they actually got quotes on that? Yeah, they should have included quotes in their application. I can check that and forward those on to you. It's a second hand electric van as well. Okay, that does make a difference. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, right. How would you like us to do this? I know the the member for resources has seen these and John John Williams? Yeah. You've been through these as well, yeah John? Yes, I've been through these and I've spoken to Ola or emailed Ola about the issues which I've been resolved. So I'm very happy that these go forward as to be recommended by the officers. Okay. I'm just thinking what would be best if people are going to be listening to this then they'll probably need to hear them individually, I would think, yeah. So should we go, we just start at the top when you're agreeing the Wising, yeah? I'm going to which was for 15,000 and I imagine that's a yes from us. Please sing out if it's a no. Duxford Community Centre, they've asked for 15,000 and that's what we're going to give them. Hope Against Poverty, 15,000 again, that's what's been granted. Swaybsey Squash Club, that's for the cavity wall application. They asked for 1,484 pounds and that's what they've been awarded. Milton Community Centre, 8,321 pounds and 67 pence and that's what they've been awarded. Now Lamb Beach Village Hall should be 15,000 and that's what they've been awarded. So if you're watching Lamb Beach it's not 14, it's a 15 and Cambridge Carbon Footprint Repair Cafes, they've asked for 15 and they're getting 15. Cambridge Carbon Footprint Thermal Imaging, they've asked for 11,095 pounds and that's what's been awarded. Cambridge Sustainable Food 15,000 awarded 15,000 and Let's Cook Project they've asked for 15,000 and been awarded 15,000 and I think that's that. We'll take that as a block vote if you'd like, yeah, for all of you. So can you look at me everyone and go nod? Yeah, nod. Yeah, everyone's nodding, that's fantastic. Thank you very much. In that case John that's all been approved. Catherine's in. Thanks very much. Whether there was opportunity if some or any of these projects that have been awarded significant sums have a shortfall and don't spend it all whether it could we could make a decision that that money will come back to us later on in the year and we could look at one or perhaps others on the list and see whether it could be reallocated. Yeah, definitely. So in the funding agreement are required to return any funds that they don't use so those can be redistributed if that is the case. Yeah. In that case are you okay there, Councillor Harvey? Everything ticky boo? Yeah, brilliant. Thank you very much. Any points of order from you, Councillor Williams? No, no, I'm quite happy. Fantastic. It's been an extremely successful meeting meeting new member of the team. But that's just life. The circle of life. They can make a film about that. Right. Just our best wishes, Siobhan. It really is. It's been a huge pleasure working with the grants advisory committee and I wish you very well. I know that the climate environment team is in very good hands and so onwards and upwards thank you very much. Thanks. This leaves me the unimlivable task of reading this note. Oh yeah, we'll get that. Date of next meeting will be 24th of August this year. Right, so if you're going on holiday have a nice one. If you're not, hard luck. Okay, thank you very much. Goodbye to the thousands now of members of the public watching. Obviously this is a very popular committee well, thanks a lot. Bye.