 You can't function as a state without laws, and human rights is part of that, but laws are about protecting people. It's designed to protect people from being exploited. That's a whole function of what the state should do. The state's job is to make society more fair, more open, more meritocratic. States that make that work have been prosperous. The January M.D in China for example, in cualquier Act of 400, he said, The best gift my father gave me was 40 years when nothing happened. Peace and stability are massively underrated. As Hegel says, the pages of peace in history books are the ones with no words on it. Because we love war, we love revolution, we love change, we love apocalyptic views, we love drama and we love crisis. And actually most normal people would say, in my home environment, I don't want any crisis at all. I will settle for boredom at a quiet Friday night any day of the week. I'll be quiet now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're not allowed to be quiet. Ysgyn, dwi'n gwyllwch, Admiral Mullen? Empyricly, it's hard to say that we don't. I mean, you know, as I was listening to the conversation in terms of certainly what the U.S. has done, and I personally think that Iraq, the decision on Iraq was a disaster. And you may recall that we were going to light the flame of democracy. I think, and definitions of terms are really important. And one of my learnings in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and in other places, the flame of democracy gets lit initially if you have some semblance of a rule of law. If you made me prioritize impacting a country, it would be first and foremost to put in a rule of law. From which an awful lot of other things would grow, which was the exact opposite of what we did both in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's where, I may be biased, but that's where I think Europe is so important. I think a world, a Trump she-world, it will be a problem. We all respect, because for the United States or China, two countries that I know relatively well, that I visit. Because Europe, we are really committed, probably because of our experience of the terrible wars, two world wars, in fact, start this civil European wars. We should not forget that the most awful events of mankind history were here in Europe, and the more developed part of Europe, namely Germany, so that's where it started. The most, probably the most tragic event of mankind Shoah happened here in Europe. So the issue of Europe is the issue of wars, except the last 60 years after the European community was created, where he had no war in European community territory. Philosophical, the question is what we consider the real important value. Is it the state? Is it the party? Is it an ideology? Is it a class? Or is it a human being? That's fine. Some people call it individualism, but I prefer to call it humanism or personalism. So the question is, if you think that our country, we love our country, I think most of us, I mean, I love my country, we are patriotic, my country has almost 900 years of existence, Portugal, so I love my country, but I think it is not in contradiction to be citizen of Europe, and also why not to say citizens of the world, by the way, that's right. I remember Prime Minister of Britain recently that against the tradition of cosmopolitanism, said that citizens of the world are citizens of nowhere. I think we can be patriotics and be citizens of the world and care about human rights. And to love mankind, but I think it was Dostoevsky, there is a personage there that says, my father loved mankind in general, but he hated every individual in particular. That's not it. The question is, mankind is not an abstract concept, like the party, the class, the nation, the state. Mankind means every man, every woman, every child. And this is why the focus philosophically has to be on the person, the human being. That's why freedom is so important. And I believe that with all its imperfections, the free world is more able than other parts of the world to respond to human needs. I'm not European, but we are impacted by everybody, by China, by America, by Europe, and by their policies in Afghanistan. As I said that we are in 41 years of war, everybody is involved, but no one, including us, as an Afghan, we are not learning from history. That is one of the problem. What has happened, of course, in 1979 and 78, when the Kodatai and then the Russian invasion, the European and the American in the Arab countries, they choose the most conservative group of people and they train them as a fundamentalist Islamist to defeat USSR on that time. When USSR has collapsed, then they left Afghanistan. They left us on our own with poverty, with really a destroyed country. And then what's happened, we had Taliban and then the Mujahidin government, and now we have everybody. So I think what is really important, and I insist, that our policies everywhere, that democracy, liberalism and everything should be based on human rights and respect for human dignity. We do not do that. One story you might tell here is that the, if you want freedom, if you want democracy, you have to build it yourself. I think there's a pathos to these stories about Afghanistan, to Syria, but also to the Balkans where I was very much involved. The external interventions have been almost uniformly negative, with some exceptions. I don't want to get, I mean it's clear that Dayton helped to keep the Balkan war from going on, but I come out of this thinking that the stories you actually, in the post-89 world, you want to look at are a place like Ghana. It's a country that goes down, has a very bad period of authoritarian rule, very corrupt, kleptocratic rule, and has now had three or four successive free and fair elections. Ghana's doing it itself. I do take that lesson being anoptimistic. If you want freedom, if you want democracy, you've got to do it. You've got to do it yourself. Outsiders can help. We can help a little bit at the margins, but unless there's a constituency at home that is willing to go all the way, it can't happen. I fully agree. Let me say a few sentences. The main force in any country is the people of that country, but the international community can facilitate and empower that people to promote democracy. That cannot be done through bombs. It should be done through education and other basic social services and training and building empowerment, empowering the people of that country.