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I guess we're gonna find out right now it says we're live so I think we are live let's see so if I'm checking the stream we are not yet but no we're not yet it says waiting for us wait oh there we go it's just a delay okay all right so we are live everyone welcome to British Syndicate I'm Matthew I'm here with Thousandfold and Dan so yeah um why am I hearing myself in the background oh you probably got the the actual youtube thing open just mute it I tried to mute it but it wouldn't mute okay there we go so I'm not gonna look at the youtube thing I'm looking at the comments in here we've got Thousandfold we've got Dan and yeah today we're gonna do questions questions and answers we're gonna shoot the shit kind of cover I guess what season one through season nine any questions people have we're gonna try to cover it as best I can with the the people we have here so start tossing in your questions Thousand you got anything you want to throw in from the beginning I like that people are doing this already but can I get everyone in the live chat to tell us where you are writing from there you can be as general as you want um can be your country can be your region whatever Baltimore home of the wire Baltimore how many people do we have I have Nikola 73 let me post uh I'll make an announcement to the server there you go new castle office thank you I feel set up New York locale long beach sin city of state New York South Dakota H-Town South Houston the dirty south Minnesota New Mexico who else we got Philly Virginia Pennsylvania Toronto Homer Alaska Tennessee shite town this is quite a uh a festival of people Montana Alabama Maryland we have like one of your styles from Australia two people from Australia yeah just like you yeah your people British unite so yeah just start shooting in any questions like and that's what we're here for right I got one I got one to start us off Matt um because I asked you the same question a while ago freeze blades wanted to know about the og bonnet crosses um oh gee what what about them I think you wanted to know what they were and maybe what your general feelings were about some of them okay you know hold on you gave me the king Louis one tell me about that one okay so that was the the Louis cut that resin had that he kept all those years and uh I mean it's just like typical what I would consider og kush southern California og kush as we knew it in southern California I think that Louis a good representation of that um I think like the same cut got passed as sfv as Larry as Tahoe as all kinds of stuff you know what I mean like just depending on where you were at but this is the Louis cut and uh yeah I mean uh when I grow it it's really it's more of the soapy less sweet piney um soapy piney territory or furniture polish um yeah furniture polish piney was that one like super golf ball structure did it stack yes really well no no it's super golf ball for me especially that but I think I think it can be grown in certain like tables and environments where you can get it to stack hard you know yeah kind of like yeah I think you can I just never grew it that way I was always growing in um cocoa pots drained of waste on the floor as big as possible you know but um let's see god there was a master list I had the other day I don't remember who asked me all the og bonnet crosses that you thousand it was me yeah yeah I didn't keep and then you would just wouldn't stop for like 20 minutes I was like yeah like five of them but you know so I'm gonna I'm gonna see if I can name them all right so we have the sfv bonnet we have the louis bonnet we have the earlain bonnet which is the fake Irene blue bonnet the fake Irene came from Cecil with some kind of bubba og hybrid um what else do we have in there the kush the 92 og which a lot of people confuse for the same cut but they're totally different growing um we had with this headband we had motor breath we had our motor breath 15 specifically um there's some more in there isn't there there's like 12 and I'm only up to seven I don't remember so did you say soul assassin oh triangle oh yeah no triangle soul assassin and there's some more there's a few more in there and I just can't remember them all off the top of my head but yeah the the main reason I did it was because I had what's that the resin that was the kush um the main reason I did all those was because I it was one of the first times I had had that many og cuts oh and the pure kush too to make it to make a canyon pure kush and if you count the bubba's which is the katsu shaw's bubba in the pre 98 which shaw's in the pre 98 I'm pretty sure of the same exact cut um didn't always said nice try thousand I'll remember that I should have used a url hi to I know see I messed up I missed we almost got him to come into chat sneak him in without him knowing um but yeah I like uh the reason I did it was because I had all the cuts at the same time and I wanted to see how each bread to the bonnet especially because I was learning how the bonnet bread at the time um the main differences are going to be like the lupus headband that does take a more big cola almost uh sour like structure um oh there was the do they do that yeah I did the 56 day headband that was in there too which is another og kush um the triangle jeezal blue bonnet was also in there um yeah like it was just too much I did I did too many but a lot of them are similar you're going to run into similar expressions from all of them um but yeah some some og's are just very different like the lupus headband the triangle um I can't stress this enough a lot of people get here triangle and hear that it's a mom of og they'll grow the cut and get a hold of the cut and they'll be like damn this is not what I was expecting for og because it's like fucking it's for it's for its time it's kind of mid-z earthy compared to like the the very terpy kush cut right so a lot of people are expecting that terpy pine salt stuff when they get triangle it's just not that so the triangle stuff will definitely take it in a different direction than the soapy pine salt stuff it's more earthy kushy it's it's hard to explain but yeah it's it's it's not what you think but yeah I don't know should I cover more of that or less we have so many questions that's okay we take a break um I I'm trying to okay here's here's a breeding one how do you decide which female to reverse when making feminized seeds with two different females I don't make seeds with two different females I don't make feminized seeds with two different females at the same time no he he means like if you want to do like a headband to an og and they're both clone only how do you decide which one you want to feminize onto the other and my answer in short would be you try and reverse both of them whichever is better and if you can get seed off of doing both of them and compare you know it's always more data more it's a similar question to people asking like what do males pass versus females and there isn't really like yeah a lot of people people when they when they ask you about reversals they they have this thing in their head where they think um one if you reverse it it's going to be the dominant partner in the in the hybrid they have all kinds of and there's just no set answer to any of that it always depends and if people are giving you set answers then they're just bullshitting you but like let's say um let's say I'm going to do a reversal I'm going to pollinate let's uh let's just say blueberry random blueberry and I have two different baba cuts let's say katsu baba and the pre-98 Shah's baba right katsu's baba is a little bit different um it grows more asymmetrical type budge structures it's much more purple passing and I get a lot more coffee earthy from the katsu than I do the typical baba which I can pull soapy all kinds of stuff from it because she's soapy stuff the reason I would choose one over the other is one possibly reverses well and drops like pollen and we have more experience with it or I want the traits more from the katsu baba versus the pre-98 and that's just knowing your clones don't reverse any clones that you don't know essentially like if you don't know about the clone in the first place it's not going to do any good to reverse it and hit it to something unless you're just playing which is fine but you're not breeding because you don't even know what you're doing you don't know what traits are going to pass there's no predictive measures there's no anything but playing yeah I've actually had the pleasure of doing both sides of it we're like um trying to remember the specific example um it had to be something with skittles you know where I like cross skittles to something and then cross that to reverse the other parent onto the skittles you know yeah and um they are very different you know skittles probably not the best example on that front but like um I've seen it to where you get like they're usually in the same ballpark but um you I've liked one better than the other before you know and like or like one will have a higher prevalence of herms something like that you know yeah the Bubba examples I was just laughing to myself because I'm like well Bubba dumps if you just spit on it and like call it a bad girl you know just spit on it a little bit girl that plan I've never had any trouble with but I didn't know the like expressional differences I've never like had mind of always just been Bubba when I've had them uh and so I didn't know the the coffee side of things was more leaning to the katsu I need to I need to get me a cut of that katsu now yeah I don't even know if anybody kept it I really don't um yeah man I haven't seen it around I just got 98 back but it was kind of kind of me I don't know if I passed it to anyone if anybody because I passed all our og's to bitter I think he got some Bubba's um via someone else I gave him to but I don't think the katsu made it out nobody really wanted it yeah mostly because dude's a fucking dippy do whose name's attached to it it's one of those things like you don't want to co-sign someone who kind of sucks but yeah those those really rich coffee expressions though were like some of my favorite old school yeah it's nice I just love Bubba period I like the high I like everything yeah whenever I grow pre-98 I kind of get more of like a fruity soapy thing and so and I don't really get much color and I like the color on that more purple cut that was the one that would they would both float around in arcada when I was living up there but the pre-98 and the green more green expressions was more common yeah yeah I just but you can finish your thought Matt just but katsu is probably a hybrid of Bubba I just don't know with what and I doubt katsu has any clue or organ kid maybe white rhino if you would ask organ kid it'd probably be his first bet um but it's just one of those things where like if I were choosing to breed with one Bubba over the other I would take that in consideration to knowing it's a hybrid and get a breed that there is potential to breed away from Bubba you know I wonder if that's what's in that one dude's uh coffee line with a K have you seen that oh kaya yeah kaya's coffee I can't remember I think it's like a starfight or something I can't remember asking yeah yeah um we had a question for Farma Dan from Buckshot from a bit ago it says what cut of strawberry banana do you have um it's just the Crockett cut just uh I'm not sure if it was their original selected clone but they recently got it back in clone form I saw it on their ig and uh it's like the spitting image of the exact clone that I recently received and so it at least gives me some tier of like well I mean like if it's something that they're gonna end up working with it probably at least has those hash and rosin qualities that that line is kind of known for and so that's the reason I took it in it was from a god I actually don't know where that came from I think one of the one of the people I work with came back from an event with it um I had one for Matt and by the way you two you see the our comments the chat thing right you can actually favorite comments so if you see questions that you like there's a star in the top right you can tap that doesn't that doesn't like tag them it just shows it for us it's just for us yeah um I just pulled up a little tech stock but so screw so real quick kai's coffee is the alien og alien kush so it's two swerve lines are those swerve I thought those were those were us well just to pay the alien kush f2 so that would be swerve and alien og is gonna be uh I mean in fairness ob and uh the original alien who is not the alien selling seeds right now are two different people like and obs was responsible for the alien tech and bringing that to the table he never really passed it but there were people popping up pretending they had the alien tech I would I would probably say obs has more to do with alien tech and I would avoid any swerve anything when it comes to alien and I'd avoid swerve at all costs this is a fendale oh bro I found I found his stuff more than I care to admit in the the work that people in my position for the same company were before me I like look through the documentation I'm like oh that's that's a swerve line I'm like oh that's another bullshit artist I'm like yeah it's great the good thing about him though is you know that he probably bought those seeds in bulk from a hopefully respectable person and just relabeled them so hopefully it was still good regardless you know I met a dude who um uh where I think it was in LA who told me that he used to work for him as a packageer and he's like if we ran out of something it was selling hot and he's like we throw anything in those oh yeah yeah yeah that sucks but I definitely bought a bunch of his shit when I was like newer welcome local by the way oh local what's up I added him in totally forgot how are those sour skills hitting I can't hear him can't hear him yet um we had a question for Matt from screwstone what is Matt most excited about seeing in the park blue dream reversal let me let me find the reversal list let me find the list so I can read it off real quick yeah um yeah he's done some killer stuff a lot of it we talked about up front what he wanted to put in and uh what he was going to do so thankfully I got some eyes in on that and uh I would say that my the one that I am most curious about is the um soul assassin cut one definitely I want to see how he did with that is it uh there it is so we have old Betsy green crack oh yeah soul assassin one og the p91 s1 from bitter um uh the blue garlic kim d the pure kush shoreline dog shit appalachia bay dream which I mean yeah it wasn't originally called that but it is appalachia bay dream and uh uh arcade a train wreck to the blue dream which is reversed from the blue dream to the train wreck and then there's some blue dream s1s so I'm stoked to see old Betsy green crack I've already seen what green crack and blue dream look like combined but I don't remember doing blue dream on the green crack I did green crack on a blue dream so I'm really stoked to see those uh the p91 I'm partial because I love those um yeah there's a ton of shit in here at the soul assassin though I know that's one of his he feels stoked about what else do we got here feel free to put any questions in caps too it makes it easier for me to see I still have an old pack of og ur kush s1s dude traded me off ic mag back in 07 I have an old pack of regs of the og ur's kush um let's see what we could do with those next year I think if they're still poppable we will see how do we feel about 2020 Mendo never heard of her um what else do we got bubba sour m10 um dr blaze never heard of him fuck mary kill I I'm always down to do fuck mary kill on any three people so you guys want to throw up three people I'll happily do that I'm not sure that I'm gonna start thinking right now people will not be but stoked to have me answer but I'll be happy to answer fuck mary kill breeder's editions yeah I love that I'm not gonna give you any good ones none of them are gonna be cute what did I grow outdoor this year a lot of the creamy punch and abc stuff would you see in this creamy punch man uh dude because I don't know anything about that cream cut I'm not well it's different than the cream cut the cream line and we had was the silver is silver pearl blue bonnet oh okay and that it's essentially like silver pearl looking plants with blueberry mixed with silver pearl turps it's it's one of my favorite out of all of them the creamy punch is that cross to um punchy bluster which is the banana punch blue bonnet so I thought I would be seeing a lot of grape sweet tarts a lot of um maybe some berry poking through but because purple punch is so dominant I wasn't sure and the silver pearl also dominates heavily so really wasn't sure which way it was going to go but they all seem to be some version of the silver pearl with berry grape smarties like just down the middle and they all tend to be very resinous like the silver pearl um they do tend to be leafy outdoor but I just haven't grown enough indoor to know so I don't know man I suck it outdoor so it's kind of hard to judge on outdoor yeah it was just something to run yeah I think hippie was trying to bait you into talking about your outdoor grow he said what did what did Matt grow outdoors this year oh yeah I know you guys Matt's an outdoor grower now guys just remember Matt is now an outdoor grower did you do pots or in the ground uh pots little tiny ones like a fucking dummy yeah to go in the ground you'll like it'll be night and day bro especially with how hot it is there yeah dude it was stupid I was trying to do outdoor indoor or indoor outdoor um feeding with bottles and pots it works out gallons dude if you're on the coast and in that fog band or like just outside it that shit is like in some ways the way to go you know and especially if you know hunting you know and um but it's just when it's hot like even like where I'm at because I'm just like north but kind of the same like band away from the coast like it's just so hard to get away with anything smaller than like a 35 to 50 gallon pot yeah um mango puff from gauge worth running fuck no these guys are fucking trash all of them they're always going to be trash um bring back the Froot Loops it wasn't called Froot Loops it's called Trick and uh it was kind of weird when when I was given those seeds originally by motor rebel the um columbian gold it was chem d crossed the columbian gold and when motor rebel gave me those it was like oh nine I want to say and I didn't know who made them they came from moda um I was running them they were really nice they were obviously half columbian gold half chem d um it was a work columbian line so I'm guessing the farmer's choice columbian because I've grown those and it was very similar in terms and flowering time um most of them were around 11 to 14 weeks which was short for a columbian so again that brought me to a worked line um lupa later took credit for it so I was just kind of assumed it was his but I just never know with him um yeah I I don't know if any of those seeds still pop anymore I don't know who's running it I think did nolly ran it for a long time too he might still have one I genuinely don't know but who knows what else we got I've started a few all right cool perfect I think indo wanted to know about the abc stuff of course he do um I you know it's only in the f1 right now so with abc or it's I'm actually growing subterfuge I hate giving that guy any credit he's an asshole but it is what it is it's a subterfuge and I was growing that I pollinated it with creamy punch but in the f1s you're not going to see any abc type traits so there's nothing going to be done with this first round I was going to pass them off some people if they wanted to run them just to see what it looks like that there's not going to be any of the abc trait it'll probably be like terpenaline creamy punch um just interesting I'm interested to take my own shot at breeding away from those there's obvious terpenaline only terps from abc um what can you tell me about afghani cure would it be a good choice to work some cvd into a line yes but it's only again it's only an f1 cvd is a breeding trait so it needs to be taken further tested uh lock in the cvd trait um take it to f4 that's how you lock in cvd but yeah it's a great place to start I mean it's going to be skunky cvd hard to beat that you know someone asked this and I think I've asked you this before as well Matt someone asked whether or not you've done oracle bonnet I guess you were uh no no I did um oracle tray dog bonnet so it was the poodle nuts aka dog waltz from high and lonesome that was the closest I got I think is the durban poison cut all over colorado and cali the sandy wine stein cut I doubt it nobody can actually just go back to wine stein nobody can link anything back to wine stein I don't know anything about that I just got it my first durban cut and it's not like anything anyone has described it to me as and I'm like I don't know what the fuck this is I'll have to send you some pics yeah I'd be interested but it's very terpenaline but like more jack terpenaline I don't I don't know like it's huh yeah it might be just urban yeah I mean I guess yeah and it's like it's got great resin though like that sounds like urban oh really yeah like kind of like odd like uh a cement or like I don't know it's like like a non-symmetrical weird bud shapes and stuff like it could be yeah I don't know I'll send you some I'll have to take some pics on like Monday or something and I'll send them to you someone there was a ticket okay oh go ahead oh I was gonna say there was one guy that uh that asked if s1 seeds are better than f1s yes that's the one I was just going to too yeah yeah what do you think I'll let you answer that one you go for that one fuck no I was I literally have a picture like I can post it on the the water cooler and leave a general chat on the discord where it's a s1 hybrid side by side with one of my like male female f1s and the vigor is between like it's like it goes down a step so it's like an f1 hybrid you got this nice beautiful vigorous seedling the um feminized hybrid it's the same thing but like three-quarter size and then you see the s1 of like an og specifically and it is the dwarfiest little fuck of all time growing so slow and like even though they were fully developed seeds like terrible germ rate um you know like 50 percent and so um yeah no f1s of regular male females are the way to go I would agree I like s1s like anything it's just different tools for different purposes if you want something to breed more direct and and narrow then yeah an s1 selection would be cool but um yeah I mean just they're two different things completely different yeah I believe uh on like one of Caleb's interviews he was just like s1s suck as far as like they're growing capability and I'm just like yeah yeah I agree man like they're kind of a pain to work with sometimes but like the things you can find in them you can't find anywhere else yes and so like I also love them sorry man do you still happen to have that uh immaculate photograph of the skittles plant that you had the very high definition um prop that you had for the last episode oh yeah this guy oh there's that yeah that's a good prop no you had another prop it was a diagram of a plant oh you know what no that disappeared my drawing but I can you know what I have to do another one do it's fine you can do another drawing oddly enough I'm very fast at art and I'm pretty talented so I while you guys are taking more questions I will draw this for you real quick there was one I saw like really early that I wrote on my my notepad was uh have you worked any CBD lines and I have had the pleasure of working a ton of CBD lines I was uh involved in people trying to make a ton of money on hemp seed and all that in the early days and so I collected I still have just like multi-pound baggies of so much hemp and CBD stuff and I did a ton of stuff with Ringo's gift which is an awesome cut if you ever have the chance to get hybrids of that um they're they're really good I would kind of I'm trying to think who the better sources of that would be nowadays um but um I got to work a bunch of that Willy G's Lebanese stuff and a bunch of hybrids of that um that that wasn't consistently high CBD but there were some really cool plants in there they're on my my IG uh Caleb wants to know about that one I think which one the uh the last week of the Lebanese oh the Willy G yeah oh did I have so much I have like the pure direct because I I did some work with those guys and so like I have so much of that if he ever wants any like absolute fuck tons I think he actually bought a bunch yeah yeah they would range from like three to seven percent CBD and then an equal amount of THC in a lot of instances there's a lot of one-to-one stuff in there which is in my opinion like more useful than like pure CBD stuff absolutely and a lot of instances for the end consumer um but um dead on that's pretty awesome yeah yeah even the even this top bud right here that's all where is it that one it's all ugly yeah a while back we had a we had a chat about like different LEDs on the the general chat on the discord and um I was talking about some lighting trials with these Gavita they're like I can't ever remember what the model number is but it's the ones that look like yeah it's like the plasma style ones where it looks like a Gavita like a standard HBS fixture kind of or like the profile of it and they're way up high and it's just this little like you know 18 inch by 10 inch little fixture up top but I recently saw some Skittles in week eight um like a day ago day and a half ago um and the expression of it was I've never seen it before it was dark purple like thoroughly thoroughly dark purple and it the nose wasn't really there either and so I was like oh man this is fucking really weird man um but I liked it still it was still good it was just different I thought that was an interesting little tidbit I'd share well um showed that there was something else I just saw who was it oh I know what I was thinking Gavita I did hit up Gavita to see if they wanted to work with us on anything and they actually said no they actually said no we're not interested in working with you you guys are fucking lying it's hilarious one of these days we'll get ac infinity and they can eat 10 dicks wait no we need to make an episode about the sponsorships that we don't get I'm seeing some interesting questions here finally coming in yeah I can't star them so you guys have to all right come out I can do it there's one um just recently won an auction of Mr. Nice for G13 IBL genetically stabilized but essentially in S1 what are your thoughts on its authenticity in general opinion the only G13 S1s that I know of that made it over there were the ones that I sent Neville of the Airborne G that I had made the the S1s of the Airborne G13 S1s and he used those in projects now I don't know if he ever gave any of those to Shanti but there weren't so many seeds that there's like packs to sell G13 died a long time ago so I'm not sure how that would work I have a lot of respect for Shanti a lot and a lot of people still do there has been some interesting stuff on Instagram lately that doesn't quite correlate with what we know in history or previous claims and I just don't know if that's like just being tired after all these years getting asked a million questions and then eventually something's gonna not correlate but then there's things like showing a picture of Hacey that is obsolete chosen male of something completely different you know like saying hey this is the Hacey male and it's like oh wait no we're familiar with that picture that was Opsoles male things like that that do confuse so while qualifying it with that like I've used a lot of Mr. Nice stuff I've enjoyed it I didn't really love any of the Afghani based stuff but with that said one of the main things I chase is the Afghani which is Dutch Afghani so yeah it's a hard it's a hard one to answer because I just don't think he's as consistent as he used to be but I don't know if that as far as with his answers I just don't know how that represents what he's selling that's the nicest way I can say that and someone asked is it worth trying AGC'd Co or Scott Blakey which is Shanti Boba Mr. Nice to bring in older lying to today's hybrids I would dodge AGC'd Co I would rather I'm gonna get myself in trouble um yeah that guy's a turd and a half I think that's pretty evident I don't even have to comment on that that dude but Mr. Nice I mean like I know people popping mango haze from Mr. Nice you know last week so I'd say that's just as good a place to start as any I keep hearing there was at least two different lines expressions of Durban yes there's the Mel Frank Durban which is supposed to be more aniseed like black licorice smelling that's a common trait it passed and then there's the Durban Cologne that circulates California Colorado and all that is very trepidoling the trepidoling one seems to be the one that has like spun the world you know or spun California what most people are familiar with as far as Durban right now and which is not related to the F1 Durban by any stretch of the imagination and Matt we had one on like your most humidity resistant bonnet crosses yeah that's bubbleberry for sure I'd say yeah for sure the bubblegum breeds true for humidity like humidity resistance mold resistance all that stuff and it's proven itself outdoor be pretty awesome related question Matt but not exactly the same strains that would work near the equator so tropics equatorial strains like that's where like if I live by the equator that's where I would be like I would be shopping over at quickseeds kwikseeds.com like the real seed code I'd be running equatorial strains because you cannot run those anywhere else to get the real expressions so I would be taking advantage of that grow grow what works best for your area not what type and if there's anything that we've tried to push across these episodes that's one of those things like a lot of people are growing based on what they've been told is dank and the lines that they've you know that certain breeders like oh this is the line man this is the clone only this is dank one but a lot of times those lines suck in other environments like I think cookies mainly got popular because it's fucking easy to grow and everybody looks like a pro growing cookies because you throw nitrogen at it all through flour feed it like a tomato and it looks fine it'll smoke like shit but it looks fine enough and that's how all this shit sold so I don't know yeah so you probably shouldn't try to grow like bubbles in by the equator no no I had this discussion with someone tonight that was doing the black friday cell thing and they picked up some of the freebies of the blue resin kush and after they grabbed it right before they paid them like hey this is going to work great outdoors in New York and I was like no no no no no don't be running kush outdoor in New York what it's all you know in the humid in the upstate New York where it's all humid and foggy and or whatever it is it's it's humid as shit so I ended up sending him the bubbleberry direction because of that just because it doesn't make any sense to grow something that is likely going to mold or get botrytis yes here's a good one any information on the f1 derb that csi used pictures where he got anything I grabbed quite a few crosses of it so I sourced the f1 derb that was that was my sourcing I had had the cut originally and it none of the crosses really sold of it so we tossed it but over the years I wanted to do more than just one run with it makes seeds I wanted to check out more what it was about um frostboss to stony to me is how the f1 derb made its way back frostboss was part of the original cookie crew stony no longer with us rest in peace and then to me um or I'm sorry stony to csi sourced by me because I wasn't growing at the time and I was moving so I had to go straight over to csi um I have pictures of it we can't show pictures on here because youtube just screws us anytime we show pictures of weed because they suck um but there are pictures in our our codex that you can find to the f1 derb and there's an entry about it in there more info about it so go to our codex dot the codex dot the breeder syndicate dot com and type in f1 derb and it'll pop up you can see pictures and info I think video too maybe not video pictures the link is in the description links in the description I don't know why I repeated that they can hear you just why which hp 13 did you get sent um let's see show oh that's how you do that which hp 13 did you get he sent me the z hp 13 oh you asked someone else not me never mind people um the the most common question we get about hp 13 is if it's related to g 13 and it is not related to g 13 it's not the same as g 13 hash plant terminal it's an old hawaiian cut and essentially the story goes is just a selection of hash plant number 13 the 13th selection of hash plant then cc's hash plant which is hash plant nor the lights one that's supposed to be what it is and and maybe it is I think so probably I have no reason to doubt that um but people see g 13 hp and automatically assume that's the same thing and it is not the same thing not even close granted they both have hash plant in them but g 13 makes hp 13 very different yeah you'd be surprised how much and like big companies documentation and stuff how much the original names like hp 13 like in those like little short acronyms like that still like persist like at our place we have tons of them so fucking many of them and they're like the names that the real names of what we call like a lot of like cuts that people would know yeah um hp 13 too was one that I hunted for years and years and years and because at the during the time I don't talk about this a lot I mean maybe I do some when I was one of the few people in the United States making fem seeds what happened was a lot of other quote unquote preters and clone traders locked me out of cuts because they were scared I would make s ones of every single cut which I wasn't doing but they were very scared of that and they didn't want to leave that potential there so hp 13 was one of those cuts that I was locked out of because they didn't want hp 13 s ones at the time going around so I tried for years to get that cut and then eventually we sourced it all that but it was very hyped and it was one of those cuts that once I got it I was like oh this is what I was hunting that's weird because I probably wouldn't have hunted that you know I don't really like hatch plant myself some people someone said this man is willy nelson what's that someone said reefer man is willy nelson I know he had a he had a strain called willy nelson um and it wasn't it wasn't made by him it was made by seire or scabby from white buffalo seeds they're the ones who actually made it and they were working for reefer man and sold it through him it was a vietnamese black something I can't remember the other half but it was dank man and most of the good stuff that came from reefer man was made by other people so that's just how it goes that's what I got in the when you sent out old seeds with the g3 yeah you sent me willy nelson f2s oh you're the one who got those that's pretty cool yeah yeah that's a good line you need to do that whole experiment I've just been busy as you guys know yeah how dare you the weed they also send so many seeds out that he doesn't he doesn't remember who's landed with who yeah I don't fucking know I don't know if any cuts are circulate I haven't seen willy 13 cuts but like or willy nelson but that's like a canadian thing I'm sure if there are there's cuts up there check Montreal and all those dudes what else did I have starred here describe the hp 13 I'm assuming they mean growth characters is interprofile last time I saw it was apples and feet growth it grows like a short squat little cash plant I mean it's not I would I would ask CSI better because the grow I smoked of it was not very good at all and I just smelled apples and feet I'm not a big fan of those apple aromas honestly yeah I'm not I'm not into it you smell like apples and feet I do it just didn't like it even the sweet ones like that come out of like the apples and bananas type shit like I'm just an apple fritter like all those I've grown once and I've just been like oh yeah I can see that oh there was this one that I put up running peaberry and found a killer smelling male blueberry muffins can you talk about your working blue bonnet male selection you just I've gone over it a lot I don't know do people want to hear that again did I go over that again do it all right so the blue bonnet male was a is basically a for your project I mean it's still kind of going so it's not even over but to get to the point of where I was actually selling seeds it had been three years and I went through the process of running every single blue line I could get my hands on I wanted to see every expression of blue learn everything about it I could and also with the idea of finding a breeding male and female to select with and that's why it was just that the blue bonnet like it already had a renowned reputation of being an amazing blue line like when I released my original right berry stuff it was the line that was competing with mine and everybody would say oh you got blueberry hi no lone stars got a good blueberry too and I like fucking my blueberries better well eventually I ran out all that stocks all that stock stopped working with blueberry and then wanted to work with it again and that's when I was able to source all blue bonnet stock from Bodie he had some in his collection and sent it to me and the male the most specific thing I remember when going through all this stuff the male had the traits in blueberry that I look for when I want to look for a blue breeding male which I don't really care to share because it'll give JD and all those idiots a major leg up and they should already know um but the one trait that did stood stand out to me was that the it was praying non-stop and it's not just praying out of health every single leaf I mean this is like a six-foot male from the top to bottom fan leaf was like this this angle all of them from top to bottom so it almost looked like he was waving like raising his hands and shit and I really wasn't sure even when I used him up until when he blew pollen that he was going to be who I wanted I was very very convinced I was going to have to do this round run through that it might not be it go back select another male do another round and I was happy to do that but the first instance right I felt like I had gone the right direction was when the male was blowing his pollen everywhere when I finally went in shook him hit the fan and I had on a big like one of those gas masks where it covers your whole face in a shield that's got the big cans like one of those expensive ones I was wearing that because I'm super allergic to pollen and this is all indoor and through that mask and this mask like you're you can wear it like cleaning up feces and shit it's not the smell doesn't penetrate too much but I could smell heavy blueberry blueberry jam type smells just by smacking the male around that's when I was like I got this motherfucker that's the one I knew it but even then you don't really know no because just because it expresses blue and berry doesn't mean it's going to breed true for that trait right like it could just show up sometimes it could be the one in a thousand that showed this trait and when you breed with it it's only going to show it one in 500 you know I got very lucky and that's that's pretty much the story of it I mean it's just the best blueberry breeder I've ever seen and I didn't have anything to do with creating it or making it or no I don't have any responsibility for why it was such a good line but it ended up being a great line Matt I'm glad you told the story again because I was just thinking about you know if I run some of your blueberry in cross and kind of have to like blind sort of blind select a male you know this is the story kind of reminds me about like what I should be looking out for or thinking about it anyway well like if you're selecting towards blueberry the first trait that I look for right on your mind because I mean it's just it is one of those things it's it's purple striped stocks you don't want a full purple stock you want to see stripes in the stock and it not be and and you have to know how to feed because you can you can get this from all kinds of deficiencies you know it has to be genetic and it has to look a certain way and the purple striped stocks they've just always been that tell-tale for me to when I know okay that's a berry line that's a berry line and I also learned that going towards the more narrow leaf berry expressions like the the old-time moonshine the blue moonshine the banaluna blue satellite to a degree rocket moonshine rocket fuel things like that the more narrow leaf the blueberry is in there but it's more recessive in there it's harder to get to and harder to breed true the afghani in blueberry is what threw the blueberry originally I had been chasing blueberry sativa stuff to find the blueberry I had noticed when I popped the blue bonnet it was all afghani looking and I was really really thinking oh no I'm not going to find it in here except that I just went with my gut and realized oh my god I should have been chasing afghani all along just I like I like more narrow leaf type highs but in the end it had the hide that I wanted regardless of the taxonomy to leaves hopefully that helps um no I mean it this whole little tangent has kind of reminded me of when I was looking through um like some of my private gelato work that I did a few years ago yeah and um like I think I've told you about it I did like an ICC mac wedding cake and my idea was to call it end game because I was never going to breed with this shit again and then I got the job that I currently have you know you know what I mean but what's funny is I actually recently popped those at work too and so because it's like it's a really nice um like gelato cookie baseline it's like that and uh anyway the the whole thing just reminded me of how I found that male and so like a buddy had given me two packs it was like him and another dude uh that we were friends with up in the triangle uh made the the mac wedding cake and then um they my buddy crossed it to the ICC cut that I gave him and then he gave me two packs of that right and so I'm going through it and I find this most of the males just look like normal weed plants but I find this one thing that's just like this cousin it you know what I mean like super nodey just like the shortest inter node I've ever seen on like any male plant ever you know what I mean like on average less than one inch you know and it was just like draped with leaves and so we called it cousin it you know like from the Adam family because it's just like covered and it would droop all the time because it was in like a 10 gallon pot and I had to water it like three times a day yeah I bet it was just beastly you know what I mean and like I knew it's just one of those things you know is just like that's what I want you know what I mean and so far everything I've crossed it with has been like pretty fucking amazing and I've been getting a lot of feedback from uh I got especially one the one that I crossed into my key lime work was just like this killer super stacked version of key lime you know and this dude down in Houston found it and I was just like holy shit that's amazing you know what I mean and uh and so like sometimes with males you just know and then other times you have to like like I wasn't very intimate with that line but it just like is that gut instinct of the breeder sometimes you got to roll with it you know and then other times you know your line super super well and you're just like I know this exact trait to look for and there's like two sides of that coin you know absolutely that's that's that's a part of like what we talk about just learning your your clones you know um you run them enough you'll get to see them expressed differently in the same room you know if you run them with different mediums different nutrients feed it a little different and being able to see all those different expressions gives you ideas for how it's going to breed later on yeah for sure just as a little admin note uh I'll just mention that uh local's having some technical issues with his microphone uh hopefully he'll be on with us he has tested some difficulties everywhere he goes does a does adobo hit way too hard to 90 can't figure out his headset is he trying to talk again he's like I can't even touch it he is yeah we can't hear you I do have one note for for everyone um so a lot of you know like I have a buddy named Matali he used to own leek cannabis with uh some of his other friends and he did some of the best chem breeding I've ever seen like as far as regular seed breeding I don't know that anybody's done better chem 91 chem dog breeding than him and uh I it's taken me years to convince him but he's gonna send in some seeds finally for the site um for the store so keep your eyes peeled I'm I don't heavily vouch for a lot of other people's stuff very often anymore um main reason Matt doesn't sell seeds because he hates seed drama and he would much rather not deal with it so I had to beg him to do it but yeah I'm pretty stoked on it I'm very stoked on it I've I've run a lot of the di-netic by work from other people and I just he knew the chem so well like I sourced a lot of my best cuts for that like um after after Mooney killed my whole collection Mat was one of the first people to line up and be like hey dude what do you need what can I get you back can I get you back triangle can I get you back headband can I get you back uh day wrecker can I get you is where all that second round of stuff came from so I oh Matt a huge debt of gratitude his sourcing of cuts has always been phenomenal I've never had anything be like I don't know if that's the right cut bro like he's always had it get on so I'm stoked for it can you guys hear me now by the way yay welcome yeah I just had to take my headset off I think that's what it was you're not getting any background you're good word okay that's what I was worried about mainly dude this word does it to me constantly what I'm trying to game with people and I just have to like reset everything and I'm just like this is so fucking dumb like there's nothing to fix it's just like literally like taking it off the setting it was on and then putting it back onto the same exact setting and it's like oh it fucking works now someone said money mic for the win shout out money mic for the the chem d or the i-95 work I saw money Mike the other day on in a private forum so it was good to see him back to and that he's back fucking hanging out shooting the shit that guy's awesome I met him in person too super kind super super generous so yeah not a bad word at all to say about him i-95 is some fire it's fire his street fire I thought it was just going to be a polyhybrid mess but it wasn't it's it's legit it's very legit yeah i'm pretty excited to see that 56 day uh hybrid with that di 95 it's looking really nice now squatter og help yeah it stacks really nice too from what it's seeming the nodes aren't too smart like you'd expect og to be so that's pretty exciting I guess you know Mike you'll hey local we had a we had a specific question for you from jabs earlier uh wanted to know about your experience with weird barricade that shows up in super scott lines and how he thinks it's related to feeding Matt you probably weigh in as well go ahead um I don't know I've seen a few things get rid of it um um I don't believe in cow mag but I find that bumping your calcium levels a little bit up and your magnesium up as well uh tend to get rid of that but I've also started looking at it in the way of uh what ions are responsible for like chlorophyll production and so like that's things like calcium I think magnesium iron some other microbes so they kind of seem to like those things a little more but I mean it doesn't get rid of it permanently um LEDs have made it worse in my opinion but that's really kind of the only thing is just kind of bump up the secondaries and microbes really yeah I've noticed the same exact thing and that the all those kind of super skunk type lines like sour hybrids and stuff like that they all are just like pretty naturally heavy feeders too so if you're a low and slow guy it might be time to bump it up I'm dealing with it right now I have some uh blue dream work and some sour gorilla glue in the same tent and they want absolutely different things and so I have to mix up two different fucking buckets every single time because the the blueberry stuff doesn't want and the blue dream stuff it's it's not like a super high nitro feeder yeah definitely blueberry hates nitrogen yeah someone asked about hold on let's cover let me let me cover this real quick because this is something I feel like in the past 10 or nine seasons that hasn't been covered accurately and I'll fix that right now let's talk headband let's talk headband every time I talked about it I got shut up headband as it started as best we understand was diesel 2 in New York that's from the sour crew the hour chem bag seeds as it was originally labeled you know became labeled added an s sour chem because they didn't have the term diesel applied to chem yet that came later as the cut made its way to california as best I understand or the og cut made it to new york I can't remember which way it went I think og went to new york and they and the person that brought it out there gave the stipulation you cannot call this og so they renamed it headband that's why there's more than one headband but it only got more complicated after that there's been so many seed lines called headband there are so many posers right now that have only been growing less than five years with headband and their name stuck to it it is stupid it is stupid there's two types of headbands there's the chem e diesel headband and then there's the og kush headband if it's a sour og it's not headband that's a later headband that's not a good definition for headband a sour og hybrid I don't know how to say it any clearer like the people stacking their names with headband are all idiots stop following that shit none of those are headbands stop it stop asking questions about it if it's not a pure og cut it's not the headband which I the 56 day headband is a pure og cut make sense that story stayed with it the diesel number two I don't know that anybody has that alive so I would say that the og the 56 day headband is probably the best representation of that and that anything that is otherwise doesn't have great stories or provenance leading back to it and that's where I'll leave it it's just I feel like our show helped push a narrative for a while that there was one legit sour one legit headband cut and I didn't agree but I don't like to undermine I don't like to undermine people at the same time but I and I don't think that that story was necessarily pushed with that intention but over time it just seemed to develop so I just whatever um the LA kush headband came from Mandelbrot it should never been called LA kush it's not a kush it wasn't from LA should never been called headband um but that's what Mandel crotch called it because that's who he is and he's no longer with us so we can't ask him why he renamed it um it's an excellent diesel type with that said there's no provenance to it being headband you know reserve a provotta headband again much later that was a later seed line no purpose in even discussing it same with callie connections headband that's all sour og types or whatever he was selling as sour og at the time just stop with it stop there's no I mean I love scum tax that's one of my boys but yeah the his headband is not going to be the original headband he came in way late to the game to know what's what there I love that dude and um yeah you know it just it's just kind of one of those things people stick people's names next to stuff and it's like oh you know like that's the one and then people start hyping oh do you hear that's the one that's the one it's like dude we know what the ones are and what they aren't it's been all like people are still asking like savage headband apothecary I've already said it no none of that shit's headband stop the answer is no bro you know i'm fucking dying here muted really you're gonna ask Jesus all right that was the answer man also kind of a junkie vibe yes that's why the cops went to his house and you know yeah I uh um I uh I have pretty decent access to a lot of cuts through through my job and there are no decent or there's actually just no any headband cuts floating around the larger scene and the commercial scene at all and like people want them and they're just not there like there's AJ sour and that's as close as you can get to any of that stuff and it's not that close um so you know I think they're just being privately held it's just it's confusing because the same group that named it headband also got an og cut and then name that headband too and it was distributed more than the original headband was and because it came from that crew everybody assumed that that must be the cam headband whereas it's just not the case I think legitimately if the diesel never too left that crew um or you know what I mean like that that selection that was called headband if it really didn't last the test of time then legitimately the 56 days probably it what's called one of those dudes pop seeds once he came out to cal to la too uh I don't know who was out in a way I think it was I can't remember what I'm thinking of but it was a story I've heard from you on the show but I was like that one of those dudes that was originally in there um uh moved out to la after all that and then popped seeds but that kind of is where like the story just like capped an end that's I think that's where it fell down because um the cut came from la to new york and I think this is one of the ones that not so would repeat a lot um the cut came from la to new york and it was it was mojave that sent the cut out there or brought it out there and he was in la and somehow the story got confabulated to where og there was people murdered all kinds of dumb ass shit so yeah it was it was very confabulated but lately within the past month we've had all of them come out on my profile during a discussion of headband and lay it out um granted it's not easy to pick apart in some ways but we kind of pick apart that pre-61 cut pack there is the Denali headband that is the only legit one last I checked this so is hsc's headband of a jesus christ who the fuck is hsc i don't see go like oh it doesn't matter how many times i say like boom bro stop i can't i can't did i say yeah they're one of the biggest legit you know i don't know what they brand right now so if you are new like you think they're marketing and you probably think they're huge yeah well the main thing is they're one of the only seeds you can buy in dispensaries that's true yeah that's a huge thing that they did well no i mean they just like put that legwork in too you know what i mean to get the state license on a small little far oh yeah i guess on you know what i mean there's like a game side to all of that but like the main thing was is that most people's sales were like nationwide why would they sign up for state licensing because that limits you to exclusively state sales you know what i mean besides like backdooring and white labeling stuff and so like in some ways i can respect the hustle but like i also have like more intimate knowledge on that stuff and i still don't like that they stole my blueberry muffin name slapped it on their bullshit that wasn't blueberry i did not like that that dark heart license the cut the dark heart license like i've never liked it like i was like around for that you know what i mean as far as like up there in the community like a new people that worked with them and like did work with them and like it's just uh i never liked that specific selection very much at all and i don't know why it got circulated so widely and i think it's just because nothing blueberry had been really widely circulated for a while you know yeah um but i think that it's like that blueberry muffin because it does smell exactly like baked blueberry muffins or like the hostess little mini blueberry muffin kind of deals you know what i mean um but i think that's like that's like c-tier blueberry turfs yeah it's it's not good it's and i want blueberry scissor like i got really mad mostly because we had spent six years prior to that building up a blueberry muffin cut like sharing pictures it was the most used picture of blueberry and stolen picture of blueberry ever and then they popped up used the marketing from that and the steam from that took it for themselves sold the cut to dark heart and it was just like well there goes that and all the fucking that's when i that's really when i stopped trying to work on advertising and marketing of any one strain or put any kind of effort because i realized oh the first one to do it doesn't matter it's the one with the most money in the marketing that's what matters and that's when i realized maybe i don't even get mad about this shit anymore plus their their marketing is pretty appealing so i can't no man that's the whole thing is that like if you can if you can do decent marketing you can sell a lot of seed it's all about just like people knowing who you are because there's a much wider market for people that just want to like they're like oh i do smoke weed but like what's up with the seed thing you know what i mean and like bringing new people in and i feel like especially in like california they're in orgin they're like probably the first seed company that most people first getting into growing in the last five years have kind of come across yeah and um they have some decent stuff like i found some decent stuff in there um but that was from like their original stuff before they made it big you know like i used to buy some of their seeds at uh yeah um hprc and arcada they've been around a long time that was the other hard part like yeah taking because they they popped up i had no interaction with them i don't go up to Humboldt and hang out in Humboldt and not like a mountain dude and they popped up on the main scene you are i am trash and they popped up on the main seed scene like they were nobody to me because they weren't involved in the whole breeding community worldwide they weren't selling seeds worldwide they weren't a major seed mover at the time so i was just like who the hell are these people showing up just taking the name i thought they were nobody's from nowhere you know but they had been around for a long time up in Humboldt just much more small time than i but they quickly became big time yeah for sure no they their their farm is deep too yeah right it's fucking out there bro like i used to go out there they buy a lot of seeds and repackage them like that's that's the name that's just exactly what they do now they're seeing yeah yeah that's where they bought my seeds right like i mean that's where it ends up white label seeds you stop making your own seeds because there's probably more money in that you know realistically yeah now the business acumen and the business side is there but it's like the more intimate knowledge i have with the practices i'm like nah just big fat nah like that's not how you do it um someone i need an interesting one here you go you can answer this one dad anybody know what the longest flower time is being used in the commercial industry i'm hearing everything it's taken at eight to nine weeks regardless of fully ripe anyone doing 10 to 12 plus week now so what we do you're like kind of right um i wouldn't say eight is standard at all i'd say it's more nine to ten um and really like on average just nine like people pick 56 to 63 day stuff um but like skittles and skittles hybrids are the only thing that i take in eight weeks and what we actually do is we stagger to where skills goes into the room late so that way it's all getting harvested at the same time because that's actually way easier to manage um than harvesting something separate um but um we do have longer flowering stuff but normally what you do is you try and cross that to something that's more normal flowering something usually gelato based because it'll also bulk it up and so i have some stuff that started as like 13 14 week flowering stuff and within one or two breeding cycles we've brought that down to nine to 10 weeks and it still throws down just like two x yields of sativa size bats um like i have some pictures that would blow your minds of some sativa type stuff um actually i was just saw that cornbread ricky had posted about his legends of nigeria that cut is that line is fucking sick like i've worked it and it's really fucking cool and it it throws down just like 30 plus percent thc it's turpinoline dominant sativa bats and so i've had a lot of fun with that line and it is uh s tier smoke s tier is that is that good or bad best best best here yeah no s s is like if s a b c like you know i don't know why that is it's a gaming thing is where i heard it first local thousand local other youths what what was the question i would know it's like an anime thing so i think uh is it an anime thing originally yeah like fighting games oh yeah that's it i don't yeah yeah yeah the done speaks and it's true yeah to be fair i actually like it just makes me think of like harvesting something in a non average window like seven to eight weeks even though it is a nine-week strain based on uh hash processing uh oil extraction all of that kind of stuff um or just like um bumping up tests i've recently seen it where a like 29 percent thc really like um that's like kind of the higher end of what i like usually will expect out of a commercial hybrid um and then you take it at um week seven for hash and you test the flour and it tests at 39 percent thc you know and like forty eight percent total cannabinoids and i'm like mm-hmm but it's just because the flour mass is not developed and so it's technically true you know what i mean and then you see the same thing from a standard pole versus an early pole and it's like it's so much more filled out like i was just looking at samples today that was like something harvested 14 days before the other and like the but the same clone and like the difference of it is like you wouldn't expect it to be that much mass in size but it's genuinely like the three-quarter version of the other one and half is dense yeah so here's one here you guys can answer this one but if you consider being interviewed on someone else's podcast i mean like maybe but no like i mean i just like know my boys and know my crew and like know what i can and can't say and the the whole thing with like the cultural norms like i at least try and upkeep it even though it's not like very standard anymore is that it's just like it's hard to know what you can say around what people in this industry and yeah i kind of like listed like me bro yeah or just like i don't want to like out myself in some stupid way or like you know what i mean like i've signed paperwork and shit so for me it's a no that's gonna be a no dog no i'm just kidding um i've done them but like i'm pretty picky like if someone interviews a bunch of fucking lanes and scammers and then it's like hey you want to come on my pot i won't do it just because i don't want to be associated with same group of shitheads and that's been the biggest problem but you know i mean like that's just my anal way that i am you know i these guys are more than welcome to you on any podcast i think it'd be good i don't i don't see any context in which it would make sense for me to be interviewed so i mean i think the same thing with me i would also make it a safe that i haven't already said same yeah just one of those things i edit there aren't many podcasts like other than like booze podcast matt booze um uh yeah there's so few that i would even be interested in doing you know i've never heard that booze has a wait booze has a podcast yes i did oh he did uh i'm not sure i can give you a bit of context yes so he he started one i think they they have a few episodes but he got really busy and then the idea was that he would actually join forces with us essentially um but he's still really busy so we're just kind of waiting for him to like for his life to give him a break yeah i feel you on that booze are we stolen but yeah i don't know i mean like i i did the podcast most people know that but i wasn't necessarily super so i can tell you a story about that it just piques my memory there go ahead i was uh i was moving away from Eugene organ and i'm driving out to fucking Oklahoma and so like i didn't know a lot of weed podcasts yet but i like downloaded a fuck ton of episodes of the podcast and that was the first time i had come across you and so this is 2020 and um uh anyway i just remember listening to it and i'm like driving through the cascade mountains on day one and i'm just like listening to you to talk so much fucking shit about everyone in the industry and i was like this is my guy he's saying everything that i think when i'm scrolling through ig motherfucker this is my dude and so like yeah that's just funny how it all works around and that in these weird ways in life you know what i mean that it's just like i hear you on a podcast i knew we'd be friends and then like years down the line it's just like yo what's up though and then we ended up fucking it was so weird yeah i know right yeah it's so crazy now i know what you're asking i was like it's over yeah i don't know you know like i i i never re-listened to my podcast episode so i don't even remember what i said but i just know how i am and if and if people ask me certain questions there's no doubt that i'm gonna say something fucked up you know bro i listened to i re-listened to my first one i was just like i don't want to get fired so like what did i actually say i'll be a good idea right i have to screen myself and it's too late even if i did you know yeah yeah i think it's also just like it's hard because podcasts like for example with the podcast he interviewed some like legitimate people at the beginning and i i was okay to be with a part of that but like after me like you know interviewing straight up scammers straight up liars tweakers just like and then people start saying oh you were on that show same show your friends with that guy you must be if he interviewed you you must be friends with the other people and that people really make those associations and like i hadn't forethought that i hadn't thought about that in advance and that's when i started to be more protective about what shows i went on and some people take it fucking sideways when i'm like no i'm not gonna do that show you interview too many scammers like and that's not what they want to hear right you know nobody wants to hear that and i'm an asshole for it but it just is what it is i don't i don't want to have my name next yeah there's oh shout out steve long that's my ufo buddy he's the ufo master i'm just like sitting here reading the chat and like outside the blocks it's like yeah it sucks that we can't have real conversations for like fear of consequences and it's uh but it's it's really true like there's some things that i will a hundred percent say to the discord or unlike certain groupings of people within the discord that i would never say on the show for sure you know what i mean and then there's other things that like and it just goes down the line like that it's like what i say on instagram is like by far the most like like you know cultivated and marketed way of saying it you know possible but it's just like um i don't know join the discord you'll learn some shit yeah i guess i'm i'm more open there too like i used to be just all out unfiltered whatever but even on instagram over time i'm like it alienates me from friends who happened to not be as stringent with who they let around them like a lot of friends that i have or friends with shitbags and when i say something publicly that shitbag goes in bitches to this person you know so it causes a lot of problems and then then you know just straight up people will snitch on you they'll call the cops on you have your house wanted do wild shit just because you're interfering with their scammy money so yeah let's see do any of you oh here's a good one any of you accidentally breed out traits that you didn't want to lose what would you do about that that's when you start over and always keep your um you keep each generation and some seed from each so you can go back and and try to correct that um that's really all you can do if you lose and lose lose a trait there's no going forward to get it back most of the time it's gone so the only way to do it is to go backwards yeah yeah and it really sucks because a lot of times it's like everything in life uh the things that you really wish you can go back to or like just out of reach you're like oh fuck i didn't save that one generation or i didn't save that oldest one you know uh for example my my reiberi that was my favorite blueberry line but there was a lot of stuff with it that i didn't like which is why another reason i didn't just go back ask some friends for old stock and do work it from that generation it was missing resin production and it was missing recreational potency and no matter what i did i could not bring up resin production and i could not bring up recreational potency without losing the blueberry terps the extreme berry terps um and because i didn't keep all those seeds for myself for previous generations it's not like i could just go oh i'll just go back and pop this i sold them all you know because people wanted them at the time i was like okay i'll sell them all you know someone else can take it further um and that's one of those cases where i had to go do the hard thing and start from scratch again yeah my key lime work i don't have any of the original steps anymore i've popped them all because i've like you know what i mean you work something for a year or two and then you kind of drop it and move on to something else and um i just never kept any of those intermediates i've used up all the other stuff like the back stock and the bx ones and things like that and so i'm just like it's gone yeah sometimes that's just how it goes you know what was the first blue bonnet hybrid you tried that's a good question first uh the first one to come down that wasn't seeded i want to say it was the blue side was the first one i went for which was the fake Irene crossed a blue bonnet um that's gotta be the first one and i was stoked because it was so berry you know like i was like got it nailed it you know first thing first thing i'm harvested but by that time the whole room smelled berry so i already knew that but the um that was the first time i realized that there were that there was recreational potency too and extreme resin production which was missing from the other ones yeah you know um with the discord there's always going to be some concerns like this you know like you i'm in prohibition land whatever i'm i'm hesitant to do that i do do my best to keep that in mind because a lot of people in the discord are from prohibition places and that's why there is such heavy safety in there and we try to keep it very very tight um even with there there are some people in there that seem to be nice but could be a liability to other people in there with how they behave we make that decision to remove them and it's just a way it goes because we we give a shit about everybody's safety that's important and first and foremost you know i'm sorry bitter's comment is just too good bitter what's your plate counting address bro no there's a lot of people like you can still chat and be coy and people understand too on the discord you know a lot especially when you're first getting acquainted like i think i lurked for about a year on the discord before i really started DMing and reaching out to people and i'd been listening to the show for like a year before that you know and so um there's no like oh this is a good one yeah i mean we've done a show on ohio we've actually done a show on ohio weed history with uh pips weed yeah oh okay yeah that's right we covered a lot of there because he's i don't have any direct he's our boots on the ground ohio dude and he's very very into history so we went over the cuts that he had in the isle legend i have to say that i have met a fuck ton of people from ohio and humble there are so many people from ohio and new york and humble and uh um little quick tangent like uh we ran a barbershop that someone sold their weed farm and like bought a barbershop for and it's called the trim scene it was sick as fuck okay here we go uh dan you want this one do you take into consideration whether things like wait time and other factors for production growing or maybe having an effect on overall gene pool of cannabis especially compared to oh bro they're like the number one thing steering the gene pool like that's what i was talking about and i think it was the selection episode i did with booze and local um where i was talking about the process itself being its own selection pressure where it's like if it doesn't fit into the commercial production model then it's not going to get selected because like most of the time like if say it's too slow like it's a nice little runty plant that if you baby it it produces just this incredible smoke it'll never even make it into fire because it didn't grow fast enough to get cloned before the rest of the main batch went because like um i don't have time in our schedule and in our speed of work to um like wait for any individual plant you know if I pop 600 seeds and 100 of them don't make the cut deadline that's 100 plants that get cut off the roster yeah every single time and so and that's just how it works now and i know other groups depending on their size like there's no actual like standardized model for a breeding program within commercial cannabis companies it's still very informal like i would say the program that i work within is probably like one of the more stringently like structured ones you know what i mean most of the time it's still the owner of the company knows a guy yeah and homie makes seeds you know what i mean and maybe they make good seeds you know what i mean but like it's usually how it works and most people don't even want to allocate the funds to research and development and they don't like whatever the nursery has available this year and they're like we got new cuts we got that trope cherry and you're like cool everyone's got trope cherry you know what i mean like you got that gorilla titties you got that orangutan titties yeah but it's just like if if most like when you look across the state like in california specifically where i work um and you see the commercial offerings from the nurseries you're gonna find the same 20 to 30 cuts usually on a given year and like it'll rotate out two or three times a year but like they rotate in the same cuts you know what i mean yeah and so like what i see is when we get a new cut i can directly go on ig and someone else like i can find three or four other people that just got the same exact cut you know what i mean and it's it's like that every single time and so uh it's uh it's just how it is now you know and so um someone's asking about pnw breeders i mean there's archive like he's from the pnw and his specialty is pnw historical strains someone mentioned a company in here i've never heard of them so i i don't really like to send people to companies i've never heard of because i've been around long enough and seen enough companies come and go that if i don't know someone that means are probably not that old or haven't been in it that long you know what i mean um i would definitely say archive uh csi also has a large collection of pacific request heirloom um stick to stuff that does well in humidity you know fast flowering or high humidity strain so don't go for cushes you know essentially um i do like recommending a lot of next generation seed stuff like the canadian stuff for uh humid environments whether that's new york pacific request anything on that parallel um next generation makes great shit man it really do it's it's hard to send anyone else anywhere for like high humidity or yeah high humidity type conditions because that's what that stuff spread for is outdoor high humidity also there's hybrids from hell espin he does great work a lot of the swiss sativas stuff like that do great outdoors mighty might yeah all that shit uh one from alice oh on this now it's different poison it's a pretty common question i think no no durban poison itself is not a pure african heirloom is best i have a where durban is a place in south africa that is a large commercial area for cannabis for commercial so beasters would be like durban and um swazi and stuff like that durban poison if i remember correctly was first released by dutch passion it would be durban landrace skunk one um no just like you're not going to run into pure landrace durban poison there's not a specific strain called durban poison durban has all sorts of different expressions it's a it's an area it's not a strain um so yeah you're gonna see all kinds of different durbans uh let's see uh but matt interviewed karell and talked about where everyone at abstand got their durban he said from a coffee shop same so there was a durban coffee shop that's where they got theirs they said their durban was different from the one mel frank provided mel frank's i believe went to sensi and seed bank but dutch passion or not dutch passion i'm sorry sssc super cdpc club worked with a totally different one and that interview was the first time we had ever heard that and uh yeah like durban tie high fly was way too fiddling so maybe that's where this durban descends from that we use a lot don't know um santa cruz wreck is not going to be restocked but we have the new version of it coming out with uh high i'm sorry with with santa cruz goat farm and it's going to be the opposite it's not it's instead of train wreck reversed on a blue dream it's going to be blue dream reversed on the train so keep your eyes peeled we're going to have that probably next week we're going to say high and goat farm high and goat farm low and goat yeah that's that's what they have sex and that's go loads of lonesome goats lonesome goats here's a here's one let's see i just uh what you guys think is better of the old flavors of the new work creators are doing i don't give a shit about any of the new work most people are doing the lessons with old stuff i just don't uh what do you guys think what is it what do you guys think is better the old flavors or new work creators are doing um i really like the combos of the stuff like that's like the work that i get excited about is when i have some new age cut like the papaya cut that i always talk about like i love that papaya cut that goes around from uh bloom seed co and um crossing that into all kinds of stuff has me really excited into like older stuff like og's like into bubba's into a sour cut um we have a nice blue dream i crossed it to um things like that you know i don't have like actual like old old cuts like my old cuts quote unquote are all like mid 2k stuff yeah um but um yeah so like i actually really like trying to introgress the traits that are from the old school into like a modern frame and production model yeah i'd love to hear from local here as well just because he's got a you know he's recently i feel had like a really good um you know range of range of range of things that he can look through um so yeah i kind of know what i know um i've seen to kind of stick with things that are like older on a genetic timeline um and you know i kind of seem to prefer those over a lot of the newer hybrids um you know like i do fuck with like some of the skittle s1 stuff the sherb you know that stuff is nice but it's not as good um i don't know they're like for example like that sweet pea stuff i mean that shit's phenomenal um santa cruz rick i mean i would totally put that and you know and the old flavor realm um and i i think that shit's pretty fucking spectacular um yeah i don't know you have someone called luna in the chat shouting out you santa cruz rick i believe but yeah there you go yeah i've been smoking local santa cruz rick that's good man it's really good and then the um the electric boogaloo uh appalachia aka dog shit appalachia from high on lonesome that's its fire like it it smells like traditional old hazy stuff that's super cool yeah i dig it there's a bunch that i bookmarked up here star number one tip for growing no g tal mag bro um what else do we got um coming out any of you try and like you're sticking to trying true new stuff coming out that any of us have liked you guys go ahead i don't have much experience of it what did you say any new stuff that you've liked that like really kicks your boxes like other than the papaya obviously um fucking a i'm trying to think i know there's a few we just have like so much stuff that rolls through um fuck man like nothing's coming to mind that's like actually new like when i think new i think like gelato era like 2016 you know yeah and so like a lot of stuff that i see now is just like honestly reworked versions of that and reworked flavors of that and so i put it into the same exact category like there's a cut called white peaches that goes around that's like you know it's a little peach estuary gelato you know what i mean but like my mind just automatically is like yeah nice gelato the permanent marker man i actually fucking like it and every time i get another jar i'm like this is some good shit right until you spoke it for like two days not bro i've been smoking it every night for a few weeks now that's how my first jar was from that batch that i sent you but i've got some batches from other facilities that i think hold up a little better and so um that's just it's funny man like i don't know it's just i love that permanent marker smoke it wasn't bad sure yeah what i do is i flavor it with other stuff you know what i mean so like i've been doing these mixers of permanent marker and different zs ones which is really nice um i'll throw some og on there for some extra potency you know you find lines brand lines brand under hbs can misbehave or not express problem i don't think anything behaves properly i think the question is actually just act ask wrong i think it's do you find that lines selected under hbs can misbehave not express properly under led and that i will 100 say fuck yeah bro like i i've been working with leds at scale since 2018 or 2017 and it's been a non-stop battle when you get an older cut to try and figure out how to do the settings because you have like a lot of control in a lot of instances and so um dialing in those settings especially for older cuts that were guaranteed selected under like single-ended 600 watt hbs like they don't want to get hit with that you know 800 to 1800 um micromosalite you know so yeah yeah i don't run leds i wouldn't know i i'm just taking around you should with how fucking hot it is where you live bro i know i just nobody sponsors me with them and i'm a broke folk you know i'm or i own cmh and t5 and other cmh is i've run cmh with lower total wattage in hot areas too and um i've gotten really great expressions out of it and so i like it a lot as well i haven't moved yet because it was just as effective for me but realistically with the heat yeah definitely i need to look at it yeah especially with how far they've come someone asked about jaws jaws is a bit mic 138 do you really mix hps led and uvb that's i mean i guarantee you it is better than any of the individuals you know what i mean but what's uvb um uvb is just it's another spectrum of uv light and so like you have to have special fixtures for that and then a lot of times they'll have specific diodes like if you have a if you look on like an led bar that you're going to see usually like blue white and red diodes but then there's going to be some that look like there's no light coming out of them but those are actually the uv diodes because you can't see uv light that makes sense yeah i didn't i just i'm not familiar with lights like that that's new to me that that's new tech yeah that's what's up man yeah that's a cool idea i've always wanted to do it i've done cmh mixed with hps but never led mixed with hid lighting yeah i just i don't know man led was so expensive when i was first looking into it and i was a part of that wave where when led first got it got sold to the community it was really expensive and it was all that blurful ufo light stuff and like i think that that put a major dent on a lot of people that like immediately jumped into it and spent a bunch of money like that turned a lot of people off for led for a long time it's definitely taken until maybe the past few years for a lot of people that that experienced that to even try it again because a lot of people spent a lot of money on that shit yeah the blurples not inherently bad though like you guys have seen some of my pictures from uh the my seed production room where they're like kind of pink blurful lights in there those are like the ge like four foot um they're like giant one giant light bar you know what i mean it sits above a four by eight and you have two of them over a four by eight um and so it's kind of like the fluence razors is like what comes to mind to like compare it to um and so i've actually grown really fucking fireweed like every time pollen doesn't take i'm like it would be some all right smoke like i don't actually find that high nitro smoke um coming off of a plant that was meant to be pollinated but it didn't take you know what i mean i actually haven't found that it's really that bad if you cure it right like obviously if you put it in the yeah like it's not inherently bad and what i've noticed is that in like certain commercial production methods and like setups you don't get gas is readily you know what i mean like gas is actually kind of a hard expression to nail down in a giant facility um and a lot of its genetics but like i can take something that's like pure gas and make it not gassy by putting it under our commercial pressure you know what i mean oh i did and so uh when i grow it under those with high nitro feed they're like the rankest nastiest most fuel-y version of themselves possible yeah gas is a hard one to luck that's why you don't see a lot of gassy og either like people just growing it all midsy commercial dude yeah that's why i've not even i'm not even joking i have tested out probably like 10 different og cuts recently under our method and like it's just doesn't it doesn't do it and then i take every single one of those and if i put it in that that seed production room it's fucking the fire yeah exactly so it's just like that home grow attention and like maybe a feed difference but there's just so many different variables between you know like a hundred light room and a three light room or a four light room here's one anything anybody know anything about pincher creek kush with the sea possibly the original green crack came out of indoor in southern albert no there's no alberta canada green crack that's not that kush with the sea though baby yeah you know like the first time i heard that story like the first time i saw the cut of green crack it was called kush with the sea green kush with the sea and during that time cesil had somehow told somebody thought that was his cut and been renamed to green crack later years later we talked and his cut of kush with the sea he said this skunky and green crack is not skunky at all it's mango um skunky mango but mostly mango and uh it was not a part of the term profile of his kush so ccc does not have anything to do with green crack nor does like his kush with the sea but that story seems to travel with it for a long ways um i do know that the cut when it made it to california was kush with the sea and most people prefer to call it green kush with the sea because the crack name was not popular in collectives people didn't like what leads you to believe green crack is a skunk one mango outgrows you know a lot of skunk one skunk one dominant whatever it is man i just want to point out that you're cutting out in little bits when you turn your head too far oh there we go um i wanted to talk real quick just the back to the skunk one thing is that that papaya is really similar to green crack and uh what it does is the same kind of thing as it's the mango sour candy kind of thing but it has a very prominent cheesy note to it that's in that background beyond it's just like general look too it's very like green crack skunk one is like if you have a lot of experience with skunk one you'll smell it in there um here's another interesting one i don't know if you guys know anything about the uh ppp peona purple paralyzer i believe it's the original name nope i don't know about my pp the best story i've ever heard on it was from um stacy stacy mur from overgrow he's a legit dude and he had some um where the seeds were from netherland purple indica and i if i remember correctly and i don't want to misquote him because he's not one person i want to miss quote but i'll ask him more about the the ppp and see if it has that relation because i don't really know but i think that the peona peonia purple paralyzer was uh somehow related to that netherland purple indica if i remember correctly i really want to get stacy on for a show he would be amazing amazing amazing anything else you wear out our welcome just 250 here there was an older question from alice d about uh i've read it's rare for and let me put it on the screen i've read it's rare for something to actually be 30 plus uh 30 plus thc and this is the biological threshold can this number be changed in the plant i mean this has to do with like depends on the logical limitations right well it depends on the parameters that you put on the thought experiment right is it fully flowered that's the number one thing that i think because i remember that i saw that question when we were coming through and i think there's a question that was like just after it too or maybe it was a different person maybe um but um anyway yeah i don't think there's like a real threshold for all circumstances you know what i mean but if you're talking about like 63 day stuff flowered exactly to 63 day i would put it like 30 plus or minus 3 you know what i mean and like a 10 margin of error is like pretty generous but that's like what i realistically expect out of like a selected really bangin modern cut that's um been selected for commercial production and also what's happening right now is uh testing labs are also getting a massive shakeup in california specifically and so we're gonna see a lot of numbers drop right off the fucking cliff is what i'm expecting in january because we've had to specifically go to labs and be like do not give us some bullshit fucking numbers you know and so like when i'm submitting super large samples i'll see everything from 13 to 37 percent you know what i mean and so it's like well they weren't lying on the 13 percent one you know what i mean or maybe that was actually eight percent so you never really know and so these really strict testing standards and the state producing their own like um sample testing standards as far as like this one milligram is one milligram of thc to like run into an hlpc machine it's like gonna change the game as far as like what these labs are allowed to do to fudge the numbers too oh yeah i mean realistically just look at it from any kind of like economical perspective am i too loud now no no you okay um if you pay a place to give you tests and there's a bunch of places that do this testing and the people that want the highest number or the highest percent sells the best at each collective they're going to be going to the lab that gives them the highest percentage that is common sense and that's what's happened to me like it's just obvious um i had a different angle into this which was thinking about it from the point of view of like physical constraints uh in terms of like cannabinoid balance uh from like the plant's physiology point of view any thoughts on that like maybe local or dan can you ask it again i was reading some comments that are fucking ignorant as fuck i was looking at this question about 30 plus thc from the point of view of like physiological constraints or physical constraints in the plant um what's the max outland you always find outliers in populations for every single trait and so like what i think about it is like say that in average my skittles s ones have two percent turf expression there are outliers that are three and a half almost four percent in there and that's just an up-regulated gene that expresses more of the exact same thing and so um it's it's all preference that number doesn't mean it's gonna get you more high you know what i mean no so that's what i hate about thc numbers the most is people get so caught up in like there's a physiological limit to how high it can be and i'm like no i think there's more a physiological limit that um thc isn't the only thing that affects the high you know what i mean it's not even a limit it's just like a condition and so it's like if you have one out of the eight things that get you high and it's in this super up-regulated environment where the plant's not producing any of these secondary cannabinoids and it can all go into thc if it's not producing any secondary aroma compounds it can all all that energy can go into just thc does that make better weed i genuinely don't think so but i think it's more the statement is faulty more than the premise you know what i mean what do you think about this comment oh that's the one i'm talking about yeah i knew it was yeah 27 tops i guess there's a that's the same thing it's like chem 91 lays out most people but it'll test at 18 or less you know what i mean maybe 20 if you take it at the right time um but you know what i mean like it's not the thing the only thing that affects and modulates the high that you're feeling and highs are difference for everyone and so like we've talked about this a million times where like some things give certain people absolute panic attacks and other people are like that's what i smoke to chill the fuck out at the end of the day and so brain chemistry i think is honestly way more important than any of these numbers because like i met a dude at work who he can eat a thousand milligrams of edibles and like be fully functioning and go to the bar and have drinks it just doesn't affect him you know what i mean if i ate a thousand mill i'd be in the psych ward for three fucking days yeah right guaranteed bro like um yeah i mean i i work in that field like the qa stuff um there's a range for sure um the most i'll see is like about 31 32 percent you know um and that's rare um the quality of the weed though is like fucking trash that's what i'm yeah that's kind of what i'm getting at too yeah i you know what i bring it back to like people always talk about like the entourage effect oh it's this term after modulating that high that's why you're getting so fucking high you know like it gave me an eight percenter but that term is what's doing it i've had weed like the the old afghan kush cut coming out of michigan it had no scent no taste like nothing but it would fuck you up and it wasn't super high testing in thc it was not super terpy that any that i could sense it was smelled like literally like nothing another plant that i had like this that i got to smell similar was the menthol and i didn't get to smoke that but this was a plant that for sure had really no defining scent it was very much a like a blanket cardboard terp but it was had such a great high i don't know how you explain that kind of high using the entourage effect type theory other than maybe it's different cannabinoids that don't have certain smells or tastes and a lot of people attributed to just herbs or just flavonoids and i i don't even think that's just the answer i don't even think that we've identified all the psychoactive compounds that even compose i don't i mean yeah like if we really think about cannabis it's like working off of these like carbon ring structures and it'll produce if you look at terpenes if you look at cannabinoids it's literally almost like it's every single possible iteration of side chains off of this five carbon ring kind of thing or i'm not even i'm not a chemist so it's like i don't whatever whatever that is you know what i mean but if you can look at them all and look at a chart of all the chemical structures and you're like it seems like it's every single possible iteration you know what i mean and this plant has this mechanism or like it's incentivized to produce every single possible secondary metabolite that it possibly can because we like it you know what i mean yeah and so um i just think that the possibility space is like immense it's immense yeah and like terpenes are literally just like one type of aromatic compound you know what i mean we've heard that on the show a couple times too or it's just like um you know what i mean like it's just i don't think we have any understanding whatsoever about how this plant affects our mind and our body's physiology i think that that level of understanding is like literally we've scratched the surface and we're like oh yeah yeah thc gets you high oh yeah cbg's for inflammation and i'm like if you think about that that's like how a like instagram influencer like mom fluencer type like talks about essential oils yes and like that should is like the sketchiest level of yeah like sweet peach has said 400 different cannabinoids we test for five to seven you know what i mean and nobody even looks at anything but thc and cbg like i have to go out of my way on a test to click more links to expand view to even see cbg or cbc that's wow you know what i mean yeah so and and those aren't even psychoactive so like i just think that like when people get hung up on thc numbers i'm like you've missed the the whole picture you know what i mean it's when in like what local was saying is like when i see a 35 tester i don't think like i'm gonna get fucked up when i smoke this i'm gonna be like yeah it's gonna be some kind of trashy smoke yep you know what i mean when i see something mid 20s with a high turf profile i'm like that's gonna be tasty as fuck you know and even then it's not always i've seen stuff with four percent turps that didn't really smell that good how often do you see thcv never and my new my new amounts constantly but never above like a threshold of a tenth of a milligram to like a third of a milligram per gram sample um cbg is much more common um that's the mo and cbc as well and just like cbc is kind of in between prevalence you know but um it's did they even care about cbn anymore uh i don't i don't see cbn ever on tests it's like a category on there but it's almost always non-detect and the the lines that i work and so i have some stuff that i wish i could work at scale at my job but there's no commercial value to it without like years of work and like thousands of seeds grown and popped like it's it would be the way to do that would be on a sungrown farm like in a field you know because then i could pop 10 000 seeds and at the end of the day we're extracting it all but like i can pull out samples that i want tested and we can do something like a a mobile hplc and start getting like a quicker cheaper sample so we can actually test 10 000 of them and not pay 50 bucks a sample isn't interesting but i've worked in cannabinoid isolation and discovery or cannabinoid i don't even know how to pronounce that still i think it's very unlikely that a psychoactive cannabinoid exists that has such a low ec 50 that we don't know about it well not that we don't know about it but that we don't test for it yeah in a meaningful way yeah and so it basically doesn't exist to anyone that that would be working it anyway you know that's kind of more what i'm getting at is like there's an immense amount of cannabinoids and we test for five to seven you know and most of those show up in minute trace amounts in almost the whole working commercial population at large and so there you go that's cool yeah that's kind of what i've heard um i've also heard things from like chimera that like when he looks at lab tests he can tell when people are misinterpreting results for cannabinoids and kind of like extenuating or uh you know what i mean interpreting analysis wrong because they can't tell the difference between certain cannabinoids and so i just like don't trust labs at the end of the day it's a marketing tool more than anything i don't need to have a lab tell me if weed is good or not i'm gonna smoke them all anyway there was there was uh let me see hold on here's here's the one that i had that any of you had experience with cobbed or otherwise fermented in aged cannabis yeah i've fucking not burped a turkey bag before i've had ferment intentionally fermented hashed it was really good and from pit and then i got to smoke cob at the last gathering that we had and yeah i've never done cob it makes nice big dark clouds of smoke yeah like it didn't make me any more fucked up it didn't make me anything i frankly it didn't cut through the high of any of the other shit that i was smoking that night i can really smell in like gelato type stuff too when um people don't dry and cure properly because it really does get this very specific i the the the people that used to buy for me would call it pissy you know what i mean it's not really piss but it's this like i don't know it's this weird take on um it's a weird take on kind of gelato eterps and it's the fermented version and it's from the year that i did not burp not at least enough you know what i mean oh someone just called themselves out for being a clown that's cool bye um we i reckon we start wrapping up we're coming to the end of two hours oh yeah i fuck wrap that shit up thank you just for fun just for fun everyone in the comments right will you smoke today tonight crack crack and also get your last questions in yeah also like if there's anything we talked about you disagree with or anything else you wanted to add that we didn't get to show you your thing be sure to go to the video afterwards leave it in the comments there we always check those and i go back and respond to people there and yeah that's always fun i like uh i like the after comments and to see what people thought of the episode so please go leave a comment like subscribe all that fun stuff i didn't even point you that out this they're like this dude dan the douche he's a douche or man what a chat it was fucking asshole sour dub i love sour dub dude that's that's one i would like to see again early skunk i do that smoke some early pearl skunk one that's silver pearl that image let us say fucked looking pepper oh my lord yeah let's see anything else we should cover thank you everyone who came on the show for last season oh yeah how do you yeah we had to shout out to yeah that's right because we most of our episodes ended up being um you know involve people from our crew so shout out to high and lonesome spindle panda local urn farmadan sweet peach little hill also shout out little hill cultivators merch kush of the giants denali maddie booze and grit by seeds gold cut ride seaco europe go far thanks everyone i think you appeared did we get go to yon was that sorry didn't go for him oh yeah not this season oh was that okay that might have been last season yeah um he's got a much better complete list sure banger i missed sure banger pure michigan i could you imagine smoking something called pure michigan it's just like one of those things you know like if you ever been to michigan yeah wow i never like i never understood that cut it's kind of like the came out i remember around the same time as like the orios i think yeah it's got he kind of lately bullshit to me like ogkb was done in 2012 bro like all this other bullshit that came out after late to the table johnny come lately's there was shit done better earlier i don't know i have no respect for any of the dudes that came in like 10 years after ogkb showed up and thought they were doing something no respect no respect it's one of those ones too where i'm like where'd you get it yeah right it's like i don't know i've never come across it a single time i've never even met anyone that's held it like um well like concurrently like while i knew them and so all right and uh what else do we got you got anything you want to say dan remote anything no man i'm chilling fucking uh i don't know everybody smokes and weed for me tonight got some family shit going down it's not not that chill so i can appreciate the thoughts looking go buy some seeds from all the homies they all make fire shit i wish i had more space as soon will but um i can't wait to start popping some some more packs of all the stuff that everybody makes because we have a you know a really tight crew of guys that are doing a lot of like really original work you know and so come check it out yeah the newest patreon packs are gonna be sick real sick yeah i still get stuff i yeah there's unreleased high and lonesome stuff coming a's base we're doing a bunch of the punchy bluster stuff basically like the the fallen soldiers from the punchy bluster stuff going out and that all kinds of stuff going out so yeah that's what's up man yeah and uh anything else anyone else local what you got uh nothing really dude shout out skittles shout out server patch kids shout out atomic warheads yeah yeah uh and that pure michigan bro and that pure michigan all right and with that uh we got right seeds.com go get your spray your seeds you just had the black friday sell there's all kinds of stuff that happened there and and cool stuff coming out we do have um elite cannabis stuff i don't know what brand it's going to be under but the the kemdi i95 hybrids and the mobile one hybrids coming soon we have um goat farm stuff at the blue dream fans coming up this week coming up and uh silver pearl api stuff like that get dropped from high and lonesome so definitely check it out go look it up and uh thanks everyone for showing up with that is anything else nope we will be back next week for season 10 all right next week that's us got gawk gawk dude a perfect skirt from up north there cut up on it