 And every time when I was like, when I felt like I was gonna die on the mountain, I was like, you know, not today. But when I first went for the selects and they were like 32,000 young men. And the next time we woke up was in Catrick. And I was like, is this really England? It's worse than Nepal! Nims, how are you brother? I'm good Chris, how are you doing? Yes, wonderful. Well, as I was saying before, one day we can meet in Nepal and do some climbing and we won't have to speak over Zoom, but yeah. Hey, hey, well we're adapting and hopefully next year my man, this is positive, I'm sure. Yes, I want to stand on the top of Mount Everest with you. Hey, we're gonna make it happen, but we're gonna make it happen. Yeah, it's Chomalunga, is that right? Yeah, it's Chomalunga and also Sagarmata as well, so yeah. Yes, Lumin Westerners, they ruin everything. No, it's okay, it's alright. There are some of the words in English that I cannot pronounce as well, so it's alright. Well, let me just start by saying, I've just read your book, just finished it ten minutes ago. Oh, I can't be speechless because I have to say something. What I would say is what an amazing read written by an amazing man. It was just absolutely great. I'm not just saying this, I read lots of books. Here is some of my mountain books. Oh my God. Yes, I love to live vicariously through other people's adventures when I'm not doing my own adventures, right? I think it's the best way to live. Your whole story from beginning to now, obviously it's not the end and it's just everything I try and teach my young people that watch the podcast. You know, dream big, believe in yourself. Don't listen to the naysayers because that's almost everybody these days. Right. And smash your goals. And once you start smashing them, you don't stop until you've completed such a well written book. So exciting. They say page turner and that's an easy word to say. But it really was just, you cannot put this book down, folks, please believe me. Sorry, I'm talking a lot, but it's I've got a lot to say that your character is is just such a shiny example. Nims. Such a good representation of the British forces, especially our elite elite forces. Credibility to to Nepal and the Gurkhas. And as I always say, it's better, better to die than be a coward. Yeah. Thank you, Chris, you know, wow. So it's a really, you know, humbling, you know, I would say acknowledgement and comments from you, buddy. And yeah. And as you know, Christian, everything what I do in life, I did 100%. And believe it or not, you know, writing this book was definitely one of the hardest thing I have ever done. I'm not sure if I'm going to write another book, if I'm honest, because, you know, when you write something, it becomes black and white. Then it becomes, you know, it's a concrete. And, you know, to write this amount of enormous book from, you know, up to this stage and it's kind of, you know, like, I wouldn't say my, you know, it's my autobiography, but it's almost that. So covering from, you know, how I grew up in a very, you know, small humbling background with almost nothing, you know, to joining into the Gurkhas, you know, feeling in a first attempt and making it happen, obviously. And then even going into these special forces and, you know, and then serving, you know, with forces for 10 years and then resigning everything when, you know, I had better offer from, you know, like even our friends from SAS and all that and just to meet completely what I had and to go, you know, and do different, you know, completely different thing. Yeah, and I just wanted to do a justice, you know, to the story. And every time when I was like, when I felt like I was going to die on the mountain, I was like, you know, not today, because I didn't want anybody to tell my story, because that would never be fair. And, you know, as I keep saying, there are so many layers that I wanted to represent from this book and wanted to, you know, bring the justice to so many inequality and all that has been in the past and also like to inspire the younger generation about, you know, and how much you can push and what you can achieve if you truly believe in yourself and if you put your heart, mind and soul into it. So it was really hard. Chris, I must say, you know, for the last, you know, almost 10 months, I've been working really hard with, you know, obviously Matt, who helped me to write this book. And it's been nonstop. And yeah, I'm glad it's out. And I'm really excited rather than being nervous, you know, when when there's something, you know, of the significance comes out, you know, generally, people are nervous as well. Because you don't know, but you know, I'm very confident because I, you know, I get 100% and I couldn't give on anymore. And everything what we know, what I have written on the book is a statement, you know, everything is backed up by evidence. No one can argue that. So it's really like, down to earth, black and white, honest and fair, you know, kind of, you know, story. Yes, and it comes across that way. I think I'm on my sixth book now. It's the one I'm finishing now is my third memoir. And when you write your first one, yeah, it's like having a baby. You put everything in, you're honest, and you're opening yourself up. But here's the thing. You're not writing for the naysayers that always just they're just going to be negative because they're not happy in their lives. Right, you're writing for the people whose lives you're going to change. Right. And they always say you only need 1000 people that believe in you to make a career, you know, to keep your career going. And that's, you're not, you're not going to hit with everyone. Yeah, after like your third book, you just you don't even look at the reviews anymore because it doesn't, you know, you're going to get people that says, oh, he's spelt this wrong. Or, you know, he said this and and it's just the way it's the way life with the keyboard has become, but you put your money where your mouth is. You did what you set out to do. Your book is an honest account of that. And like all good memoirs, you've talked about your human side. I don't want to say weakness because, you know, it's not the right word, but your human side and people are going to love that. Thank you. Thank you, buddy. Yeah, I'm afraid, you know, like it was such a with one book to to write such a huge story. And, you know, we're running out of force and we had to condense in some of the of the part of the story. But I think it's very punchy and it will take you to the summit and, you know, bring it down different to the ocean and everything is a roller coaster because my whole life was a roller coaster. And it's written so well. I love the way you didn't go too much detail in every peak because it would have just become dead early. Yeah, you know, you're you're obviously had a good editor I'm assuming. Yeah, that's a real real skill. It takes many years to learn that in itself. but also what I didn't want to write is just the book about the mountain you know if people want to read the the let's say for example this on Everest you know like standing at 1,848 meters and all that then there's Wikipedia there's like hundreds of books what I wanted to write about is about my experience you know of course the challenges and how people can relate that challenge in their own life and how can they achieve their new possible you know every day of course there will be like there is a problem in life we all have problems and there will be a problem when you climb these big mountains but every problem has a solutions you know and then I think once people take that kind of an approach and and all that you know I hope you know a lot of people will will get a bit in at least few stuff from this book I love the way as well it's it's one of the only mountain memoirs there is another there's there's one more here which is quite a this is quite a sad book by Maria Coffey who lost lost her husband on that or her boyfriend on the mountains and that is the only other book I read that talks about all the partying that goes on and for our friends at home this man is drinking all night and then climbing an eight thousand peak literally run running up it the next day and and I really love that I just loved it I love the the way you just smashed it yeah the biggest thing is like you know of course I'm not like you know promo thing you know all about you know like it's just about being happy a bit of you know celebration you know like just to give an example like you know I opened the route for everybody else on k2 with my team got back down you know no sleep at all you know obviously it was a massive celebration because you know people were so happy and thankful for for me and my team because we opened the route for everybody else and I had even changed my plan for for the people out there because I wanted to go and climb road peak first but when I found out the expectation from people and the hope from the people was I would open the route for k2 I just didn't want it to let the hope down because in the hope is such a such a big word and I keep saying in the book that hope is a god so yeah I changed my plan did all this stuff in a massive celebration in the best camp I probably have like in a three hours rest in whole of like I would say three days plus and yeah I went to the summit of road peak but it was epic you know where in our oxygen ran out you know we're kind of lost on the mountains and it's great to be well as I keep saying you know there were so many point where you know I thought I was gonna die and obviously I'm not in a date I'm alive and and happy to be covering those story and details and how I box those problem as I obviously you know go in and face these challenges so I'm sure the readers would would find that quite interesting. Nims you stopped to rescue people in the death zone when the the rest of the team had had left them and I don't say that as a bad thing I hadn't been up there but I can fully appreciate it's life and death and you're exhausted and it's someone struggling for the average averagely good climber you've got to save your life and get down but you actually stopped and you're on the radio you're calling to bait to the camps below to can you get more oxygen up to us and and you saved lives and you even carried one gentleman down he was so ill that he died as you were carrying him down it oh yeah my and as you know and I came from you know the Kerkab you know the British Kerkab background and UK's first of course as background you know we have never left anyone behind in the war and I wasn't certainly not going to do on the mountain you know of course so yeah and it's good to keep that you know kind of an ethos and principle values you know that you know I learned from you know from my life with the British forces because you know I spent majority of my life with the with the British military then that's who I am and of course I'm now taking into completely different endeavor and all that but you know and that's why you know when people say you know names who are you give me a sentence I say okay I'm Nim style I'm born in Nepal but I was raising in the British military well then I became pretty much can I say badass on the big mountains you know yeah don't take that too seriously but yeah I'm trying to be I'm trying to be here yeah it's a dream isn't it many young young men in Nepal is to to join the GERC as it's historic I only realized reading your book that there's actually three GERCA regiments in different countries yeah that is May and it's a huge selection like for example when I first went for the selects and they were like 32,000 young men you know trying to obviously you know go for the for the recruitment and only 320 made it you know no wonder why I fell on the first attempt obviously I wasn't expecting that but hey you know like I bought made it on the second attempt yeah it's a really tough challenge and you got to obviously you know quite you know educated as well because they do really you know tough test on English maps and signs there's a physical test there's a medical test in all sorts of tests so yeah there was an article names I read oh my gosh we're talking about 30 years ago now so back when I was joined the Marines it it was an article about the recruitment process up in the Himalayas before the modern day where now you have you know recruiting stations and this yeah and back then a guy would like walk around the villages yeah you know offering the opportunity to the young men they would then turn up at some outpost in the middle of nowhere they had to be certain weight they had to have all their teeth checked and all this oh yeah massively massive but you know you need to have like perfect you know line teeth and you know yeah everything gets checked you know you cannot look ugly as well apparently that's how did you pass then in oh my I don't know tell me about it is that is that a big thing because one of the best times in my life one of the the best course I have ever done was the British Paracourse and I did actually did one and a half of them because the first one I did was cancelled halfway through because of the the first Gulf War and spending time with the Gherpas was just magical they loved to disco dance it was just incredible all over the floor and they were so kind so humble um yeah it was very special but I could fully appreciate especially now as I've traveled the whole world many many times that the difference in culture for a young man from the mountains to suddenly be put in the British military and just like trying to understand the military sense of humor must be oh my it's massive and imagine Chris like you know um well when I first like during the Gherkas I you know obviously you you think of England as soon as you think of England you think of you know Big Ben you know like London Eye in the Buckingham Palace and all that and um obviously past the slicks and I thought I was going to see that and I landed at London Heathrow and it was raining sideways and we were like put into the coast and then we drove like hours and hours and and next time we woke up was in Catrick and I was like is this really England it's worse than Nepal it was and and you know like and and I was meeting obviously in this is up in North so I went to boarding the school so I thought you know my English was really good and all that amongst obviously the the Nepalese community and all that at least so I tried to have this dialogue with with this obviously in a British counterpart Jesus Christ I had no idea what he was saying and and of course he was you know like Scottish lad who is if I figure out later on you know down the career and I was like what school did I went to what did I learn I can't even like stick to this guy so you know like you know even covering those kind of like really minor but important details of of how kind of in like challenging it can be as a guy had to to fit in the guy cut as a Nepalese then to fit within the UK special forces and because you know when you join a special forces you cannot have any witness you cannot be like oh he's a he's a guy or you can build this and that no you need to have that a special forces is standard and and to be able to operate and to be able to meet that current area and it's it's not easy it's not easy oh you know I have to work twice harder for sure I don't think anyone's going to say that's easy so Nims were you the first Gherka to join the special boat service oh mate yeah yeah mate you made it made the cut I would say congratulations what what a great accolade to have for the the rest of your life oh mate thank you so much and you know you know and the reason why I joined the SPS was and I worked with the Marines in in Afghanistan in in helix seven when I was serving the ghakas and you know they were so humble they were really you know one of the finest soldiers I have worked with and but then they were like so nice and you know and kind of like Gherka ethos kind of fitted with them rather than you know being you know full on you know yourself and all that you know of course you know you you do have some of the regiment within the military but of course that all that is also good in their perspective but it's about recognizing who you are and where do you fit and for me I wanted to to obviously you know go into into SPS and I kind of knew that you know there's a diving aspect of them of the you know of the job as well and I was kind of going to make it even more challenging so yeah was it difficult um because I only learned to swim when I when I say swim I mean swim properly because obviously to join the commandos you've got to be able to pass the swimming tests and the falling off the diving board in all your equipment right and I scraped through that but I only really taught myself properly how to swim when I was 48 47 in fact I started at 46 and I could swim one length of this swimming pool and then I had to stop and hold on and yeah breathe so I wouldn't drown within two years because I set my goal on triathlon I was doing quadruple iron man so four four iron men like in one go yeah so that's a 10 well nine mile swim right but but even still I'm if I stop for one split second I'm just sinking right was that difficult for you coming coming from a landlocked country yeah of course you know it was tough but you know buddy but as I say you know like if you put if you really want that you know there's nothing such as impossible you know from not knowing how to swim you know I started in a training for it and and then one of my training design you know before I went for the selection for the sbs was I used to wake up really early in the morning two o'clock carry you know like 75 pound to you know like and then do like 20 in a kilometer tab do normal day military work and in the evening I would just do like you know free runs I dropped my obviously back in a bergen and all that and run back then I used to go for swimming which I used to do like and I eventually managed to do like you know freestyle like 100 meter 100 lens in 25 meter length but it was tough to get over there but hey you know there's nothing in if you put your hard mind and soul you can obviously you know it's you that so yeah but of course in a coming from landlocked country you know only I know how much you know dedicated and how much you know hours and in a commitment and positive minds that I need to have in order to accomplish that so yeah were you okay with the diving because I've done I've done a fair bit of diving I've been very lucky I've been on an expedition to Antarctica and dived on icebergs and that kind of thing I'm still like that with it though you know in in a dry suit I found it really hard the buoyancy yeah let's put it this way you know if you are carrying about like you know 32 kg with full weapon you know all you know max everything and then you know you're swimming at night in the three kilometers you know in in January and December at night uh you must be pretty mad if you say you super love it but I didn't complain about it I should say that I don't complain but yeah let's talk about Everest and I'm I'm just gonna I'm not going to apologize here to people because I know it's very cliche that if you're a tourist you climb Everest if you're a mountain climber you climb the other more challenging peaks like K2 Annapurna etc right I completely I get that right but me I grew up with Chris Bonnington one of my books here yeah um you know the the north face of Everest was just the biggest challenge back in the day um I've obviously watched everything I can on Discovery Channel about about climbing this mountain and and yeah it is it's a dream of mine and I do I think you know definitely you know we're gonna make a dream come true um we're having having a chat here um you know I would in the best thing you know first thing first you just said that people call Everest is a tourist mountain and all that I completely disagree I had a meeting with mine whole mess now you know the guy who climbed all the 14 peak without supplementary oxygen you know back in the day he's still legend he's the legend and um we heard a chat and he asked me names what do you think is the hardest mountain to climb in the 1000s and I said if you remove all the manpower like you know everything and if you have to just climb on your own Everest will be the hardest you cannot even get through the kumbo icefall so it's not easy mountain Everest become a bit easier because there are like a lot of you know like serpahs you know working over there but it's still 9 000 meters buddy and I know you know people just complain from the decks you know you they have never been on the on the on the deck zone it's easy to say that but waking up you know like well even climatizing for one month you know where your like head is pounding and every day is a struggle and then you know as soon as you you you leave the base come you have to climb through this dangerous but beautiful in the kumbo icefall and after that then you got to climb this boat say wall which is like 55 degrees and then you go to like in a camp for and then there is another like thousand meters so it's not easy and and if people are saying that just ask them have you climbed it first and if they say yes then oh you can comment but if you haven't then don't you know be that person don't be that person guys you know if you haven't been in that shoes don't complain all right so to be honest now going back into your dream you know yes and obviously through years of you know like training and and obviously developing this high altitude stuff I have a guiding company called you know elite expert and what you can do is make you know we can definitely help you you know we will train you at 6000 meter first 7000 and then we'll take you to one 8000 meter peak and then Everest but all this can be achieved if you got like a bit of money and time can be achieved in two year but in two years you can just probably have to dedicate around four months of your life and and and that can be achieved through a bespoke training and all that so yeah good yes I think it's the the climbing snobbery isn't it like in in all sports um people resent the fact that there's people like me I just want to climb Everest um I I understand mountaineering is beautiful it's a great sport I I get to be in the mountains and appreciate the environment and the people that you I get all of that but I just have a go to climb Everest here and yeah and also Chris and everybody has got you know their own strength and weakness for example I cannot be as good as like Sir Albert Einstein I cannot be like him but then let's say for example if like a person like him wants to climb Everest what's wrong with climbing Everest with a with a little help from somebody else who has got the experience because every human cannot be good at everything you know but it's the experience that you are learning in life and everybody gains something from the adventure everybody gains something from the challenge from the endeavor so it's a different way of Everest I guess you know and if you are trying to be the best mountaineering in the world then then it is different thing but if you want to have that experience and if you're climbing for your personal challenge if you're trying to raise you know money for the charity by taking your personal challenge and endeavor of course it's a good thing so you know I'm not here to educate everybody else but I have been in this a thousand meter peak you know that's that's my home ground that's where I'm most alive you know no one can even argue that so coming from that perspective I can definitely you know have that say so yeah hey and thank you for your offer that's good I'm one step closer now that's amazing it's um you mentioned um Reinhard Messner and uh his partner was Peter Harblow wasn't he yeah yeah and I met him in um Meyerhoffen in Austria he's got a ski school there so yes well these people were legends weren't they they climbed Everest went without oxygen when yeah nobody thought it was possible yeah exactly so you know like um I had a really good chat with Reinhard and he was very positive and he was like you know when everybody said that in terms of mountaining world those people who knew how difficult it is to climb big mountains they were like uh it's it's not possible it's not happened but then when we had a chat at Nanga Purbot Basecamp I think you see that fire in me and how much like I'm going for it and it's like you're crazy man I think you know Nims is possible you can do it and he said maybe even though if you do it in a year it's good I said no Reinhard the the mission is 14 picks seven months and if I pass that one day by seven months I feel my mission is like you're in the garka military we had a great conversation he is a really nice person yes good well they say it takes one to know one yeah and your approach um that there's two different kind of approaches to climbing a mountain like Everest aren't there there's the one is you pay um quite a lot of money to join one of the guiding companies they provide your equipment they'll do your training um then you you go up to camp one camp two back to camp one maybe back to base camp and and all there's what you did um your first time which is just rock up there hire the equipment that you haven't brought from home go up on your own did you have one Sherpa with you the first yeah I had I had yeah go up with your Sherpa come down once for the acclimatization and then bang climb the whole thing in in in pretty much one go yeah the only thing with that is because you know like for me I knew my body really well and um you know of course I think I have got some sort of um even though I didn't grow up in high altitude I grew up almost at you know 500 meters and that is even you know less than the height of you know a place like Salmonie and all that so yeah but somehow but I have been trained by the best and all that so yeah um I have a speed climber I'm a speed and endurance climber so I do have a bit of you know those um and I'm just trying to maximize that in a potential um yeah yeah so for our friends at home Nims has this um amazing ability to almost charge well to charge up the mountains and if you know anything about mountain sickness um the pulmonary pulmonary edema and and these horrible conditions that can affect your brain and your lungs um to be avoided at all costs and they tend to affect pretty much most climbers at um at one stage Nims has the body that um and the conditioning that he can kind of surpass that to to a degree obviously we're all we're all human yeah we are human and Chris just to say that I also had in a pulmonary edema before I suffered that in a massive day as well so yeah it's just about you know just just to all those you know people who are listening this is the biggest thing about high altitude mountaineering or any endeavor is about knowing your own body and how you maximize that you know for example sometime let's let me give an example you are like you know hiking up to this in a high altitude and if we just push that because you can push you can just climb a bit extra harder but then you don't have the knowledge and you don't know that your body well then by keep by pushing that extra few hours and slipping at that altitude rather than stopping and and assessing that couple of hours can change the whole dynamic so if you feel like that you should stop and then you could be only one day late but then if you push that in a couple of hours and then you mess that up you're going to have pulmonary edema or cerebral edema then you're going to have to evacuate from the mountain and and then there's no medications that are going to cure this you have to get off the altitude so it's all about in annoying your body in depth and and how you use that to to the best advantage for the mission that you're going it and it's it's with every sport I guess mastering your your body by yourself and then using that knowledge to you know to attack the mission I would say yeah and then and sorry Chris and then the biggest thing here where you kind of you know put that as a baseline is do not compete with anybody else if you just try to be best and if you try to compete you know be better than who you are yesterday then you are in your own momentum you are in your own rhythm you are in your own pace and then you you do so much better if you if you take that approach so yeah try that guys you if you haven't already but hey hey did you you must have saved yourself a lot of money or funding as it's referred to by taking that kind of guerrilla approach um no no you know like it was really tough because um it was kind of you know a plan that or a vision at that point or an imagination at that point where nobody believed it so just to give an example three months prior I left you know um England for Nepal three months I didn't had anything but by the time I flew from London history I only had five percent of the funding and that's me including putting the money from my house from remortgaging and all that so it was a really tough challenge but what I was really sure was as I keep climbing this mountain as the style in a style that I have said I would climb them in a way I would climb them I was kind of you know like optimistic that you know people will support and it will take only you know a million people to keep one pound and I had that vision and I I didn't like you know let that get away and slowly as soon as I went to Annapurna opened the route for everybody else then obviously did the rescue and I think people started you know knowing about the endeavour and all that and yeah I call this project as a people's project from from every level because you know later on obviously the big sponsors started coming in and all that but mostly also you know like it was through the crowdfunding so yeah it was it was a massive endeavour in all level yeah I think if you go back in the old days to say the 60s and 70s where people were first climbing these very high peaks back then for the people at home watching it or reading it in the newspapers because obviously is at the very early days of television it was about king and country and this now I think for people it's about seeing somebody do something that they don't feel that they can do you know we have this you know this Xbox culture yeah we don't get out and live our dream we sit inside playing our dream on an electronic game and when we see someone like you names it's like wow there's something there do you know what I mean yeah yeah I think you know the the first one what you said was I really liked it man in and nowadays we are in this time in this era particularly it's not about in a country and all it's about the people it's about how we connect the people how we do you know together to to survive and then to pass the positive message across and all that so yeah and and it was really nice to you know and the second point you mentioned was you know these days obviously you know a lot of our younger generation is stay at home and then they get into this like computer game and all that yeah but you know of course you know like the the classic example is there's there's a massive mountain there's like great you know climbing outside and people people still go to Interwall because they don't want to be waiters etc so yeah it's just okay but you know everybody has got their own choice and all that and I'm not here to say what you should be doing and all that but it's about you know thinking from the broader perspective and you know because the outdoor the adventure it gives you something that nothing can give you it's an amazing playground you learn so much just being outdoor is so good for your mind now for your mind is so good for your health because you know when you see the nature nature just heals everything so yeah and you I guess um what one benefit of the social media generation is your your Instagram picked up a lot of support didn't it yeah obviously you know at the start of you know 2019 I didn't even know how to use Instagram and all that and yeah it kind of is that picking up and all yeah and it's great really you know glad to be you know having that a bit of you know I wouldn't say influence of power because I I don't think I'm at that level late but being able to tell my story and and fight for the cause you know and have and have that voice to to to speak to the people because in the end of the day I know myself you know for me the biggest thing money never buys me it doesn't that's not my agenda if money was my priority uh guys I would have never left in SBS when you know sacrificing almost a million you know in the dollar worth of pension and I wouldn't have certainly rejected the offer from you know like you know our friends you know of the road and all that and then if you check out and I'm not that kind of person so I know for myself I'm true I mean I'm all about being fairness I'm all about being you know honest and all that so at least I have that and then people cannot you know you know buy that from me and I'm a pure soul I am a true guy so being able to to be able to represent you know you know not only myself for those people around in the world where you know where I cannot be bought by money and all that I think it's a really great power to have buddy you're being very you're being very humble names you should we should tell people that you were asked to join the SAS I mean come on that's how many people get asked most people have to prove themselves I know I know you had already done that but it's um that is quite a quite some story but you know I came from it's not only about me as I keep saying and you know for me whatever I do in military or wherever you know it it defects the bigger group I came from the guy at the guy because I'm known for you know being bravest being loyal you know and you know I it wasn't only about me crazy you know and I'm not that kind of you know person so I have to sing for the bigger picture and all that so yeah if it doesn't you know even it's for even though we all are um we all operate under the umbrella of you know her majesty the queen um you know British armed forces but it's still you know under that there's a layer and you know if I can have that you know my my personal integrity I don't think you know I can be I can be talking about bigger things so yeah I'm I'm guessing you still have your kukri like is that that's with you for life right yeah man I have it I got you know like couple here I have it like but you get you get you know you get one given when you passed out with the geckos and all that so and yeah I watched that there's a great documentary on YouTube for anyone that I suggest everyone watches it it's about the guy in I'm guessing Kathmandu he's he makes the kukris yeah and they're they're all made individually it's not like in a factory or something they're all handmade yeah I think guys take that link if you you know yeah yeah yeah are they are they a good knife but they're awesome they're amazing knife you know and then that's why you know we have a massive history with with kukri and all that and um yeah it's easy it can be used for so many proposals obviously um yeah yes enough said about that because uh yeah we don't want to go in detail yes yes um should we say should we mention some of your sponsors names because I I know that is such a difficult thing to raise the money yeah I know what it's like because I approach Richard Branson just like you did um I I did one better than you he he actually wrote back to me we said really yeah oh my god how come I didn't even get the respawn and it was like proper hand written and it was like in a sealed as well properly um so because I had loads of sponsors and all so I'm just gonna like quickly go go and obviously you know you know tell them all because you know it's not right to give you know one credits and and and not to others so yeah you know like there's so many like any sponsors obviously came into this one and and people supported you know the partners were like Bremon you know Selkso Osprey you know DG2L and Ann Middleton who is a great friend and then to be fair you know you know he's one of the sponsor who just you know who didn't ask for anything else uh you know he just you know sponsored the money and he's like yeah brother you know there you go I really want you to do well and I really want you to smash this project I don't want you to do anything Instagram post I didn't want you to say anything so I think that's what true sponsorship is um so yeah and so I select so but yeah I got like you know really good um all the sponsors from you know Summit Oxygen and you know Elite Timon and Adventures and there were so many like um kid as well where I got from Inmarsat you know that's where I was you know using the the internet and all we got how am I still through that the gear that I use you know designed by you know special forces brother branding science maybe the list goes on you know yeah and then you know a lot of also funding came from the crowdfunding from the normal people um so yeah massive thanks to everybody else you know um it's not the size of money you give guys it's about you know what you felt that you could effort to give and you gave it from your heart so thank you yes yes really well done everybody was it hard your dream is coming true you're clearly going to nail these peaks in seven months but of course you couldn't get um permission for Shisha Shisha Pangma yeah that was in China and that was obviously a big political you know this is where politics comes in right yeah what I know you're a man that takes one day at a time but that must have played on your mind a bit oh massively and I knew that my first application was rejected when I was on k2 before opening the the lines for everybody else you know but you know I had you know problems like that you know more than you know like I would say you know hundreds of problems like that you know so I kind of rebox it um you know but you know when I came to that it stays you know I also have loads of connections in Nepal loads of friends um and you know a lot of people you know kind of wanted it from their heart as well and a lot of you know like friends from all over the world you know when I said I almost gave up they also wrote a letter to you know the the Chinese authorities and that's when it really becomes people's project because everybody wanted me to completed that so yeah it was really humbling to see you know people from all over the world you know kind of you know like one thing you know to to see this completed so it was really good yes I think we should mention um and you mentioned this in your book names that because you were a Nepalese climber you didn't get the focus and I know you don't want the attention I I really I really get that but the funding that that would have come with the media would have been handy right would have taken a pressure off yeah you you are absolutely right buddy and then there's no lying in that uh because it is uh it is it is a bitter truth it is you know and for a fact if I was in a any any western in a climber or if it was in european and all that you know it was even the sad to say one of the sponsor who could support it means like and names you didn't get any sponsorship because you know are you because you are brown but I was like yeah that that is a brutal honesty but I didn't I didn't let that you know you know get into me um and but he was honest and and I don't know man but for sure if it was done by any other people you don't have been you know bigger than how it is and of course that would help for the sponsorship and all that but hey hey it's all right um we always think positive at least you know we get it done um you're always done we're good um you know always get 100 percent and it's still positive so yeah so congratulations on your mbe yeah so I bet when you were a a child in Nepal you never expected that one no no buddy yeah thank you you're welcome and um and that was um that was for the rescue I did in 2016 and um you know saving the gherk expedition from failure in 2017 I still need to go and pick it up buddy yes you're a natural decision maker and leader aren't you when you're when you're on in situations like on the mountain and a lot of leaders just fall apart they don't have that the the thing in their heart do they you know they and when people get scared they go to the rule book right you know yeah but also like the way of you know my lead leading was completely different you know if you put the interests of your team members you know into your heart as well that's when you become successful and then being as a leader you also should be able to lead from the front you know when there's a time and you should be able to know when to step back exactly and it's all about the bigger picture you know so like just to give you an example all all my team members who climb normally if if people are climbing Everest they would take someone who has climbed Everest before if let's say K2 someone who has climbed before because he knows the route and all that but I didn't do that I kind of put my team members into a completely different new mountain so it was something for them as well yes we didn't need the route but you know I was pretty much content with the ability um of making it to the summit but when there is like you know the interest of you know the other team members as well in your heart then you know I think you become successful yes yeah it's actually come from the heart and then some some leaders you know they fake it and then I had like I learned so much you know throughout my whole career and all that you know there will be like some leaders who just want to be leader and they are like true leaders and all that so yeah it's a you know and then as I keep saying if you if you really you know put the the the interest of your men you know they're working with you know hard as well then you achieve the the bigger goals and and that's for any companies or anything else and if you're the owner CEO if you just have the only interest for yourself you know you're not going to grow massively because everything is a team there so you you made a lot of people's dreams come true nins and you know they will be forever grateful to your to your leadership thanks thanks Chris ah and you there's one part in your book that I really resonated with me which one it it's when you're on an expedition and you want it to work more than everybody else or you want it so bad and it's the bit where you said you you're always the first to wake up and he in some days you just wish somebody else would would wake up first and yeah and as a team as well you know sometimes you know like of course that was my project that was my reason and idea my team members they came to support and all that but then everybody doesn't necessarily have the same drive and all that and and it's so good to you know wake up at one o'clock when you're sleeping you know here at the sea level in your in a comfortable in a home but then when it's like minus 45 minus 50 you know waking up with you know in that sleeping bag where where the cold layer of snow is starting your face and all that then it takes in half an hour to put the bird and at some point I was just expecting you know come on guys at least somebody like wake me up you know in at this stage of the project you know we've been so far now you know and I was just like making the joke out of them like come on lads you know please please I always so happy if somebody put an alarm before I just say hey names come on let's go uh but you know unfortunately I have to be only you know always that person to do that but hey it's all right you know you know I have the you know the garrick and special forces training about being the discipline and all that whereas you know my team members and they're not necessarily they came they came from that background so yeah and how is it when you go back to Nepal now um I'm thinking about Sherpa Tenzing he he I mean he was such a national hero wasn't he and it it affected him quite a lot um yeah it's good I think then to be honest you know I think I just got awarded a presidential um president's medal as well in Nepal um but I think it's a different way but not necessarily as a good or bad but you know I think when I was no one when I had no money and all that you know nobody kind of came to help um but then now obviously you know I can I can go and stay free in five-star hotel and I can go and do all that and and I have that luxury it's good to have that but I was like I wish I had that when I was you know when I was no one but you know unfortunately you know you have to own your respect as well you know um so yeah it's like egg or chicken but hey hey but I'm happy I'm always happy to you know go back over there you know it was you know of course that's where I was born my dad is still in Nepal um and and obviously my my brother Jit and and his family so and a lot of my team well all my team members are there so it's uh it's a family good and what's your next project you're gonna be sick of people asking you this oh because you know I cannot you know announce that it's a very sacred but yeah but it's gonna be something massive and equally big and all that um so yeah it's not it's not celebrity big brother is it I think I might win that I think you'd win that hands down if there's one thing the British public like it's a humble nice person and this is my guest today folks yeah well but also like if you're too it's it's a soul man you know people will be like bored so you just have to like bring your different character but I have the different characters you know learn from me these special forces you know what you got to disguise and all that so it's okay are you going to bring a dog there sorry no it's okay are you going going to announce your project soon or is it um yeah it depends buddy you know it's you know I have the purpose and I in everything what I do in bigger in my life I need a purpose I need a big purpose to do these bigger goals I have a purpose now so yeah let's wait and see yes good so finally Nims um what was it like the last peak what was shisha pangma right yes what was it like to summit um what was your feeling I think um you know when I was the the most I still remember you know like my my happiest moment was never on the summit you know like for me it's in relation to sissapangma um I was going from camp two and I knew I was I knew it was given we completely opened the new route there as well but I know in the process of that I just had like nocinal tears coming through my my eyes and um but the most happiest part was when I finished that project you know my mom came to to pick me up and um uh and when we arrived in Kathmandu there was a massive you know welcome home program I had never seen like this buddy like there was so much media and it was like I only see that you know when like David Beckham's arriving in Kathmandu and every like you know newspaper like you know like you know reporters were fighting to have an interview and all that so I was like oh my god um and there was a band and um and my mom saw that and um obviously my mom had doubted my project before and all that but then when she saw everything and all that she was just really happy and and I was I was just happy to see her happy mate so that's the highlight of the trip and how was your mom's health now because she she was having operations um and you obviously had that worry in your mind when you're tackling these mountains yeah man unfortunately you know I lost her in in February so she's no more with us um oh I didn't know that so yeah are you okay I'm okay buddy I'm okay hey well cool you're you're a survivor that's that's for sure now the last thing I want to ask you Nims is um what what is your message for for the young people out there what what what can we be saying to them well um believe in yourself believe in in your vision do not let anybody tell you that you cannot do things that you are impossible because only you know yourself better no one can make that decision for you so if you believe in something put your heart your mind and your soul dedication work hard into it and you will be successful brilliant what a great point to end the podcast Nims just just stay on the line so I can say a proper goodbye to you afterwards but thank you so much um on behalf of everybody on behalf of the brotherhood on on on behalf of people that are struggling and need uh need a visionary uh and on behalf of the bought the t-shirt podcast thank you so much um I hope you'll come back and tell us how the book launch is going and how um how your next adventure is going to pan out and to everybody at home massive love to you all um I hope you've enjoyed this as much as I have if you could like and subscribe that's going to help and we'll see you next time all right buddy see see see you all and then thank you so much for listening to this guys you have a great day nim style thank you thank you brother