 story about a guy who had all these dogs. Okay. And I don't think it was enrichment or something. What kind of dogs? He had a whole variety of dogs that he was rescuing. Man, that's loud. I can hear the barking already. I hope he got a lot of sleep. He had 179 dogs. Oh no. He got arrested. These are visual record. No visual recording. You look fantastic, by the way. My name is Ty. It's really nice to meet you. Rebecca. Are you putting it on Facebook or what are you doing with it? So normally, I have a YouTube channel, if you like. If you'd like to see some of the other videos I put up, and it's just basically a compilation of really positive conversations I have with people in a short time frame about whatever they want to talk about. Okay. And what's your doctor title? My thesis? No, you have a DR, so I was wondering what your doctor is. Yeah, tell me. I got my doctorate at Georgia Tech. It's in biochemistry. Oh, there you go. Yeah, yeah. I'm just getting his PhD there right now in material science. Where? Georgia Tech. Really? Georgia Tech. Who is he working for, by the way? If you don't want me to ask him, do you know who is... I don't know the person's name. You don't know? Supervisor? SOPER? Is it by chance? Is he working in the quadrangle? Have you been to campus? I have, and I've been to his lab. I can't tell you. Is it in the fancy part of the school? No, it's not. Mine wasn't either. Paper Science Development Institute? No, his girlfriend is in paper science, which they're well funded for that. Yeah, yeah. He's doing something with lead and strands. Okay, okay. It's a good school. I think one of the best things that I got out of being working there is realizing that I came in there with the idea of I had a great high school career. I had a great undergrad career. All I have to do is just keep studying and I'll be fine. But then I realized when I hit grad school, the playing field was completely different. And the only way to get better was by asking people for help and making a network of people who can get me through. That was one of the greatest things. And Georgia Tech has a great swath of people who can help you out. So normally what we have is a conversation about anything that you think is really important, something that you find motivating, something that you believe is true, something that you're certain about. Maybe you circled your life around, favorite TV show, anything you want. I've circled my life around the belief that we have to take care of everyone in the younger generation to bring them forward so that they're all have a fair opportunity at succeeding. Have a fair opportunity. You believe that everyone, that we have the responsibility to give the next generation a fair opportunity to succeed? Right. Okay, just want to make sure. That's it. What do you mean by fair opportunity? That those doors that might be shut because of because of presupposition, bias, prejudice, and then probably because of you know, levels of poverty. Okay. We have an obligation to do what we can to help people reach a minimum level of developing the competencies needed to succeed. Why do you believe we have this obligation? Because without it, we won't really have a successful commonwealth. Okay. Won't have successful commonwealth. Is that has that been demonstrated anywhere? Like in history? I mean, I think that you can look at stats for the impact of of yeah, school failure and the consequences of that on economic success as well as potential for you know, incarceration or. Sure, I can see that. Yeah, so there's stats that establish that. If it turned out to be the case that you totally could have a successful commonwealth without ingraining these ideas of, you know, fairness, people being equal, sexes being equal, races being equal. Well, I didn't use the word equal. Oh, okay. I said fair opportunity for success. I don't know. I mean, equity is different than equal and okay, not necessarily equal. So then just equal access to these opportunities. If you could, if by denying equal opportunities, you still had a successful commonwealth. Would that impinge your confidence that, you know, that it matters that yeah, that fair opportunity is actually important? Well, probably it does go deeper than that. Yeah. So I think that the Judeo Christian origin stories, okay, talk about Adam and Eve. And I think that the principle behind the idea that we are all of the same genetic makeup is the notion that you, if no one's a stepchild, then everyone's entitled to the same inheritance, the same access to the family as well. Okay, okay. So therefore, and I think that's the reason for the, you know, stories and genesis about how humankind came to be. Okay. That we are all of one, Brea College has it in their motto, which I can't think of it exactly, but somehow it's all being of the same blood. Right. Because we're all inherently the same organism, kind of species. Right. And I think that, right. No, nonetheless, we have been, we have a duty to, you know, to the rest of the species in the world too, of course, because certainly there's one train of thought that would say, you know, biodiversity is a gift and those who might think that there is a, the notion of gift of nature comes from an idea that there is a creator. Okay. Okay. So therefore, if there's a creator who made biodiversity happen and it serves a purpose for the good, and then we have an obligation to preserve that. So our sense of doing good by others and providing some measure of a base for everyone probably extends beyond the human species. So as an example, in the Herald Leader today, the head, the front page, I believe today, had a story about a guy who had all these dogs. Okay. And I don't think it was an enrichment or something. What kind of dogs? He had a whole variety of dogs that he was rescuing. Man, that's loud. I can hear the barking already. I hope he got a lot of sleep. He had 179 dogs. Oh, no. He got arrested for his prosecution, for taking, for not taking good care of those dogs. Yeah, he can't have that many dogs, right. But I understand why he's trying to do it. Hey, you may want to see why he's trying to do it. But the fact that they are, that we criminalize the failure to do it shows our society's belief that we have this baseline. We have a standard. Yes. So not just for humans, but really for a variety of life. Is your belief in a creator the foundation of this belief that you have? Well, I'm willing to go with that. If, is it possible to have someone else, for someone else to reach that same belief without using that as their foundation? I think it's possible if people go in, like as you said, if you break down who we are, you know, the DNA, all those ancestry in places that are so into doing that, we are all of one blood, that notion. So therefore if we are, then is there some sense of equity? But you don't need to believe in a creator to have that understanding. Is that what you're, is, did I, am I interpreting that correctly? Or do you have to believe in a creator to have that? I don't know. I'm not. My major was American Studies, not philosophy. I'm a lawyer, not a philosopher. I mean, I like philosophy, but I don't know for sure. I don't want to, I think that there are a lot of people, there are a lot of people who believe in a God who would very much in a striated society, right? I'm sorry, the helicopter. There are a lot of people who believe in a God, but who believe in a striated society. Yes, like caste system, for example. Right. And they believe firmly in a God, but they think that that's how God ordained the world to be, right? I was wondering like, there might be people who believe in fair opportunities of people, because we're all the same first people, but have no God belief whatsoever. Absolutely. I'm sure. I mean, I've known many people who probably do. They come, you know, just a humanist perspective. Right. But again, I'm not, I don't know, because I haven't really stripped that down to see what their thoughts are. Where are you at right now? Like, what do you mean? Like, how confident are you that this creator belief is actually the foundation of the belief that you presented about fair opportunities? I'm pretty confident that that's the foundation of my belief. Yeah. I'm just talking about your beliefs. Yeah. But am I absolutely, I mean, for me, faith doesn't exist without doubt. So cool. Whoa. That's the first time I heard that. I'm 32. Faith doesn't exist. I'm not twice your age yet. Yeah. I was so happy when I turned 30 because that's when you start building street cred on the whole, how old are you think question? Because then you throw that on people like, all right, you're old, but not as old as you think you are. I was like, true, true, but I am old. Thank you for that. Okay. So we're done. One last question. Yes, sir. Do you think that, are you convinced that facing your system on faith with the addition of doubt is a reliable way to come to this conclusion about fair opportunities or is there potentially better sets of evidence or observations that you've made, for example, like all this or in this in genetic DNA, a better preface for establishing this foundation? Well, if there's a God and a creator, then you could simply say under a natural out there, it's what God created us to be at one blood. So that, you know, that comes out of, that could come out of the notion of a God and a creator. I think that for myself, I would never have sacrificed my life, the amount I've sacrificed in my life for others, except for my belief that the path, you know, I'm that my path is that to follow this notion of living for others. So it's in my adult life of Christ centered paths. So without that, I never would have done the levels of sacrifice I've done to try to live out the belief I just described. Okay. Or be, you know, dealt with. It was a really big motivation for you to do that stuff. It has kept me on the path to do it. Okay. But that's just not me. Okay. Good. So great. So biochemistry. Biochemistry. Your son's a material science? Material science. How far is he into his program? He's finishing his second year. Okay. That's the hardest year. Yeah. Because first year, you're just barely trying to hang on. People are, you're, it's a leading out program very much. So you're losing friends left and right. Second year, you're beginning to like get a grip on things. It's by the second year, you have a discipline that you've exhibited that demonstrates to everybody, including yourself, that you belong there and that you're doing the work that needs to be done. But then third year, you're bored because you figured out the pattern to get everything done. And fourth year, you're just trying to get out. So how many years did it take you? I did four years of school and I also did one year off to work in Sweden while I was at Georgia Tech. I got a really good program there and it gave me extra time to write my thesis. Did you write it over there? Yeah. I got some, so my research program was a little bit...