 Either our money back or you're gonna put us on another flight with other hairline So I don't care people listen to this. So anyway They finally got us to give us vouchers that we could use at Delta so because he wanted to fly out of Newark so anyways we take a cab all the way from Manhattan to Newark Which is a huge amount of money in itself. Yeah, right stay at the hotel We already had booked and we slept for about I slept about 45 minutes, right? I went in took a shower got dressed for the next day and lied in the bed for 45 minutes woke back up Got back on a shuttle to the airport We got to the airport haggled with Delta got a flight and then we got we got on a puddle jumper for like Cincinnati and then because they couldn't find the pilot of your original flight. Yes, they couldn't find the pilot It's like we don't have another pilot. It's like, well How do you It's it's it's weird to be I mean, I guess if you can't find the pilot by 10 p.m The night before you you can't expect that you'll find him by not, you know the next morning I guess like they're I guess they were on I mean, this is back in the early 2000 So I don't know maybe it might have changed things were different then We were a lot more we're more naive Didn't have as many pilots Well, you know the thing with a lot of those pilots is that they come from They they come they come the way they rank up now is that they get a lot of these Uh regional pilots to come on board and a lot of those pilots have been like working like 80 hour weeks You know sleeping bunk beds because they want to rank Rack up as much hour flight time as they can so they can get a job that actually pays more than You know just a glorified bus driver with wings Uh, and so and you know, they might be super stressed out and exhausted and very eyed and probably Now once they rank up they don't have those schedules anymore. Do they I don't know I mean, I don't know how it works anymore. It used to be like united used to be really good But you know, I'm sure the past eight or ten years. I don't know. It's If that's if that's changed at all, but we have several pilots in the audience I'm sure they'll let us know. Yes, let us know. I'm curious Because everything I know is dated. It's like 15 years old. So I'm sure everything has changed or some things haven't changed Veronica, you got any questions? Nope Okay, let's just roll with it then All right, let me hot. Here we go Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the Daily Tech News from Monday February 13th 2017. I'm Tom Merritt Veronica Belmont back in the house How's it going Veronica? Good, you know, I've only been on two episodes since the Christmas break Is it since December? You've only been on two episodes two episodes Wow, isn't that crazy? That is crazy. I'm here now. It feels like more because we do sordid lasers. So I've seen you more often in podcast arenas than that Well, it's very it's extra specially good to have you back on Uh, we we are going to talk about your cord cutting experience. You you guys have decided to cut the cord at home We're gonna make it happen So we'll we'll dig into that kind of the decision-making process We get some thoughts from roger about that because he recently did the same thing as well A couple of notes here. LG said its upcoming g6 smartphone will have quad digital to analog converters for improved sound quality LG says it should reduce interference and distortion So trying to distinguish their handset on audio To the person who studied audio professionally Is this that compelling? I know this is a quick hit, but i'm just curious I I don't really notice typically a lot of people complaining about interference and distortion So much these days. So I I I'm not sure whether this is a that makes me feel better Because I I'm I'm the one who's like, I don't know. I don't notice that stuff either But I know you do like you have a really good ear and I don't so You know, I also don't talk on the phone very much. So who am I to to ask? Well, I bet you listen to music on your I do. Yeah, especially if I'm listening to Spotify, for example, it just won't work Yeah, like it's either working or it's not working. I rarely have issues with anything else beyond that Yeah, it's a or b qualcomm announced chips for wireless routers and enterprise access points that are compatible with the forthcoming 802.11a x Standard just letting you know this because this is the beginning You're not going to have to replace your ac routers anytime soon. They're still going to be good for years But this is the beginning of 802.11a x which is capable of delivering 4.8 gigabits per second Not that you have an internet connection They could take advantage of or or devices. I think even devices that are 802.11a x could only bring in like 1.75 Giga bits per second, but super fast routers now made possible. Thanks to qualcomm Now here are some more top stories Google maps has added the option for android and ios app users app users to make a list of favorite places That can be saved and shared with friends three lists come by default favorites starred places and one called want to go The difference between favorites and starred places is starred places you may need to know about but it may not be a favorite of yours Those are built in at launch But you can also create your own customized lists as well You can make them public You can make them private or you can share them with a link which is kind of halfway in between Locations can be added to lists from the detail pages within google maps Or you can just drop a pin and add that pin and give it a name Feature will come to other platforms like the web later And google also updated its street view to include iconic landmarks in gana senegal and uganda if you're a fan of doing world travel by street view That's awesome I'm actually really excited about this because I feel like I have been a secret user of all these features for a long time Although want to go did not exist previously. Um, but being able to share stuff like that I think is great like I used to be an advisor for a company called trippy That did similar things. Uh, you could make lists of all the places that you visited And eventually they went more the path of being a pinterest style travel board But I really loved the ability to share and save places that I'd been on trips just to give to friends for suggestions Facebook is actually doing a pretty good job with that right now. So maybe this is google's answer to that recommendation Recommendation listing. Yeah, eileen and I have used it with four square as well where we will create lists I lean more so than me to be honest But we'll create lists of things when we're traveling somewhere so that we know like oh These are some restaurants. These are some sites that we want to hit stuff like that And yet we use google maps when we go to those places to get around so having it all in one is Kind of a nice idea I'm actually kind of surprised I haven't done this before This seems like a thing that they have should have been able to have done a long time ago It seems kind of strange that it's just launching now Yeah, Verizon launched unlimited data plans in the us monday the Verizon unlimited plans before sorry Exactly The Verizon unlimited plans cost $80 a month for individual lines with discounts for family plans and for using paperless billing and autopay The unlimited tier allows 22 gigabytes after which speeds may be slowed if there is network congestion Users can also use up to 10 gigabytes of data for tethering to another device Verizon says high definition video can be streamed, but did not specify whether that is 720p or 1080p This is the effect of competition in my humble opinion The fact that t-mobile did not get bought by atnt meant that t-mobile doubled down on improving its offerings which pushed people to come to t-mobile Which pushed Verizon and atnt to do more customer friendly things and this is one of the biggest moves I've seen is Verizon saying, you know, we're not going to make you sign up for a Verizon service Like atnt does you have to be a direct tv customer to get atnt's unlimited We're just going to give you unlimited if you're willing to pay for it And even you know people are are sneering at this 22 gigabyte limit But what they're saying is up to 22 gigabytes you always get your full speed after 22 gigabytes If the network is congestion, you might get bumped to the back of the queue. That's all you won't be prioritized. Yeah Uh, and I think that might be fair if if because that to me is an actual network congestion management policy Not a we're trying to justify this somehow, but we really just want to charge you more because you know, you can't prioritize everyone Yeah, I think it doesn't work And if the nodes aren't congested there's no reason to slow someone down So, you know if they're on an unlimited plan So that all makes sense the the tethering is always annoying because I do use a lot of tethering And 10 gigabytes is quite a bit. I won't use 10 gigabytes every month But when I need it sometimes I will maybe need more than that But it's also included in there. So that's that's pretty nice, too You know, it feels like a pretty good deal. You have to pay extra for the tethering. Yeah I'm not a Verizon user, but I would I would potentially go for this if I were for sure I'm a t-mobile unlimited user and I moved to t-mobile because of unlimited I'm staying with t-mobile probably because they have better coverage in my home area But this this is pretty compelling and I'll tell you what my mom Uses more than eight gigabytes every month And so I put her on an eight gigabyte plan hoping to keep her at eight gigabytes With the warnings that come but sometimes she still goes over This morning I switched her to this unlimited plan immediately and I'm gonna save five dollars a month And you don't have to worry about it either. You don't have to police it Exactly, you know, I don't have to she doesn't have to feel bad about oh, am I getting you know Towards the end of every month. She would start getting the warnings like you're getting close to your limit Now I know she's not going to use 22 gigabytes at least So this is this is good and this is also regarding our zero rating conversations from last week This implies that zero rating really won't be a big tool for these these companies I mean Verizon's going to zero rate their go 90 service But that's just kind of as a promotion if you've got unlimited you don't really care that much About zero rating and so it becomes less of an issue Two stories at the top of our subreddit illustrate the ongoing legal battle over encryption and passwords In the first artist technica checks in on the case of francis rals He has been detained for 16 months on contempt of court charges for declining to unlock two hard drives The drives are suspected of containing child pornography. This may be why you haven't heard about this story as much It's not a very sympathetic case He's not necessarily guilty because they haven't unlocked the drives But there's a pretty solid case against him The u.s. Third circuit court of appeals heard arguments on whether rals should be compelled to reveal the passwords last september But has not yet ruled So he is just sitting in court waiting for that ruling in a separate case and it's a different case On january 15th u.s. Born nasa jet propulsion laboratory employee cid berkana var Who is a member of the pre-screened global entry program one where you have to get a background check and it's supposed to speed you through customs He was stopped at houston airport and forced to unlock his phone by a u.s. Customs agent his nasa phone Before returning into the united states from chile. He had been to chile on on vacation However, he needed to be on call for work. So he took his nasa phone with him Now travelers are not legally required to unlock devices for border agents But the border agents may detain them for an unspecified period of time if they don't cooperate So berkana var did unlock the phone They took it for 30 minutes as soon as they gave it back to him He turned it off and took it straight to nasa's it department at the jpl once he returned to la So a couple of different cases here where The law is saying we we think we can compel you or at least highly encourage you To hand over to unlock devices so that we can investigate them And this is something that really needs to be decided by the supreme court Now it's a little bit different with border agents versus internal Right, but the idea of whether a password is something which is self-incriminating under the fifth amendment Or whether it's a piece of evidence Some courts have said some lower courts have said We're not saying you have to give us the password and divulge the contents of your mind and therefore testify against yourself We're just saying you have to unlock it and then hand it over Which is a fine line I just don't understand especially the second case I I don't know why they felt compelled to force him to unlock the phone Especially i'm sure he had credentials that he was an employee of nasa And and he was part of global entry like that's like that's supposed to help That's the whole reason that people pay and go through the process. I myself have done that I I just I I saw that story pop up a lot this weekend and I didn't get a chance to dig into it And now I wish that I really had But it's it's definitely ruffling a lot of people's feathers And yeah, specifically in his case. They didn't he says anyway. They didn't search his luggage They really only wanted to unlock his phone now You can make an argument certainly that hey, you know what if somebody's you know Really been compromised and you've got evidence to that effect You might want the border agents to be able to do this But it seems less likely that someone who's had to go through the background vetting process to become an employee of nasa The background process to become a global entry member Would be one of those I guess it's not impossible, right? But it seems very unusual and my question of why isn't even accusatory my question of why is just befuddled like I I I don't see Even if someone's just you know being a bad border agent I don't see why they would want to unlock this guy's phone and why they think that would be okay with a nasa employee Just doesn't strike me As the right thing to do But it does shine a light on the fact that the border agents can Push you to do this even if it's not legally, you know, they don't have the law on their side to compel you But they can do everything up and to compel you they can delay you for quite a bit of time Yeah, and I mean you get you get that like balance of do I just do this to to move myself along? Or do I hold my ground and and hope that it can be resolved? Yeah You're not in this situation. It's really hard A fair question was you know He he might face this in other countries too, right if he has a nasa device with him What's the protection of going into some other country? Uh and having that opened uh and some of the answers that that i've seen to that are well It depends on the country if you're going to china as a us nasa employee You are going to take extra precautions However, if you're going to chile and coming back into your own country You wouldn't think you would need to take those extra precautions I did a little digging and looked into the nasa guidelines on this They don't say anything about borders. There's a lot of discussion about securing your data and being careful What data you take with him? Uh, so he shouldn't have had a lot Of confidential information, but he would have had his email and a lot of that might be confidential So it is it is disconcerting and confusing more than anything Yeah, I definitely want to read more about this and and you know come to a better conclusion While moving on nine to five mac noticed apple is now listed as a member of the wireless power consortium Bullstring reports from kgi security's analyst min chi quo and bloomberg's tim cullpan The wireless power consortium is the group behind qui is am I saying that right? I think it's chi qui Chi a wireless charging standard that uses inductive power transfer so i mean Granted apple joining a wireless power consortium doesn't confirm that they're going to have any wireless charging devices necessarily But when you combine two very reliable sources Saying with good track records saying this. I think this is a slam dunk. We're getting a wirelessly charged iphone And to me, this is one of the biggest new features that apple will add To a phone in the past several years. I think fingerprint scanner was probably the last one that was quite this big Hardware feature. Yeah, I'm very curious to see how it's implemented I'm excited about it. I mean they they've been refuting those rumors for a long time and I'm just Wireless charging has been something that we've been You know, not so patiently waiting for throughout the years and every ces A couple gadgets or two come out that that manage it pretty well But for something mass market like the iphone to do it that's going to be huge I mean, I know there's android phones that can also do it and yeah for a while for a long time But for apple to do it. It definitely will will become something even more Wait, yeah for good or ill you may not like it android fans, especially because android is the dominant marketing But when apple does something it pushes it into more people's minds That's that's just the way it has been for a while and molly wood on twitter said she thought starbucks having the chi charging pads Uh might be another reason why You've you've you've seen this sort of thing Intel confirmed at zanyall investor day that the forthcoming eighth generation core micro architecture of processors Code named coffee lake will be produced on their 14 nanometer process This would be the fourth generation of processors made on that process node beginning with the broadwell architecture in 2014 Now that's a big deal. Usually there's a tick tock. You have two processors On it on a particular fab and then you move to the next one This is a big change for intel intel is saying That the zion data center chips will get the priority on the new manufacturing nodes So the zion chips will be first developed on the upcoming 10 nanometer and seven nanometer manufacturing nodes because they're making more money Off the zion chips it used to definitely not be that with the slowing of pc's and the not slowing of data center needs Zion is making them more money intel's highly anticipated cannon lake cpus That's the next one down the road, which should be based on the new 10 nanometer process Don't have a release date yet As far as so if you're looking forward to that for your consumer chips Ah speaking of computers uh razors 14 inch blade laptop which already packs in a g-force gtx 10 60 gpu is now available with intel 7th generation kb lake processor The 2.8 gigahertz intel core i7 770 hq quad core to be exact They also now offer 16 gigabytes of 2400 megahertz ddr4 ram Razor also added you left me all the fun stuff to say tom Razor also added a 4k ultra high def 3840 by 216 display option it starts at 1799 for the hd model on the razor website now And at us retail february 20th worldwide availability comes in march and the 4k version arrives sometime after april first and that's no joke No joke. Uh, yeah, no well done first of all and honestly I feel like razor is becoming In this in this slowing pc sales world. I feel like razors becoming the one of the the most visible Laptop makers out there because you can run vr off this laptop It's one of the first laptops to run vr. You can run gaming you can do high you can do some You know high-end design work and things like that And they're expensive but starting at 1799. I mean they're not that expensive and they are more They have more specs in them than competitive laptops. Yeah, i'm a fan of razor I have been for for many many years were i to get a windows laptop of some sort It probably would be a razor frankly And so I i'm excited about all this new stuff that they have they have coming up on the docket Yeah Well folks to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes actually we're getting down to five minutes Subscribe to daily tech headlines.com and thanks to everybody who already does All right, let's talk a little bit about veronica cut in the cord What what led to the decision to finally ditch your cable? I think it was really that our provider dropped clear qualm And clear qualm is is the thing that lets you uh You can you can plug in the digital cable even directly into a digital television. You'll be able to to get The channels without having to pay for a box. It makes it easier to use cable cards stuff like that, right? Yeah, we were cable card users and and I mean we wanted to we had we had toyed with the idea of cutting the cord for a really long time But there are things that we didn't really know how to access without it um, so for example Streaming sports, uh, you know hbo wasn't always available as part of hbo now Certain shows like the walking dead and amc. We didn't know how to get otherwise and now we're We kind of realized that there's just so many options out there That maybe all we really need is an apple tv and a couple of subscription services And we we might be okay sports for me was still really the The final line in the sand until I started sending harassing text messages to my friend tom merrick this weekend Trying to figure out how he watches baseball And uh, you told me about the ps view which I honestly didn't even know about Well, and this is crazy because sony is out there advertising the playstation view service like crazy I see their ads all the time, but I think what happens is Most of us aren't paying close attention and think oh, that's an ad for playstation because it's called a gaming thing Yeah, I don't know and even if it sinks in that you're like, oh that is a television service You think I guess if I had a playstation I'd be interested, right? And so it's a horrible name because playstation view you don't have to own a playstation Uh, you can get it on apple tv. You can get it on roku You can get it on your ipad and get it on your android tablet your android and ios phones It does not require any sony products whatsoever to take advantage of But because it's called playstation view everyone thinks it does and your husband ryan brought up You know, I think a very pertinent question Which is are they going to stick with it? Is it going to stick around the fact that they have rolled it out to more platforms recently like the apple tv Makes me think that they are they've also changed the url You go to to psview.com which sort of Deprecates the playstation Part of it now one downside of playstation view is that they did have a dispute with viacom and lost lost all their viacom channels So mtv comedy central etc are not on the surface anymore But they have been adding channels like espn like vbc america So it's it's a better time than ever I think to try it out in the united states anyway because you not only have psview you could also get sling tv You could also get direct tv now, although that's buggy. That's super buggy right now It might get better eventually and hulu and youtube Are likely going to launch their own versions of these services by the end of the year So even if you guys lot, you know start with playstation view This is the beauty of cord cutting to me Is you can be on playstation view until hulu launches their service and then you may go Hold on that has everything we need at a better price or that has more of the things we need And just cancel you don't get locked into contracts And you mean I don't have to call someone like comcast to cancel it. I can just cancel it on my computer That's a very important concern for both of you, isn't it? Yes. So I have to talk to a human being Yes, you don't know and that's great. Uh, and and I've actually Cancelled playstation view twice and then restarted it now granted I don't get the seven day free trial anymore when I do that But it's super easy to just go online and say, oh no turn it off I don't need it right now and turn it back on you can do that with hbo now Uh, you can you can even do that with netflix and hulu. I used to put my hulu subscription on pause Like I had it on pause for a couple of years There, uh before it finally made sense to me. So did they fix the ad thing? Do I still have to watch ads if I pay for hulu? No, you if you pay for hulu on the base tier You have to watch a limited number of ads It's usually just a couple sometimes it's not any it depends on whether they're selling them If you pay the extra amount for the ad free service You don't have to watch any ads unless it's like two or three abc shows Where you have to watch one ad before the show starts and that's it Okay, so I feel like so it's a ps view Covers the sports if I go up a few packages. I mean it starts it starts pretty inexpensively I think the the lowest package that we would go with was 45 dollars or 46 dollars Okay, and then and then tier wise it keeps going up like maybe 20 dollars a tier or so Until you get to like the maximum tier which was like I came up for 79 or 99 Yeah, probably 79 I think that included sports and movies and hbo and showtime and and basically everything you could possibly want I guess unless comedy central is a big decider for you right and and if you comedy central is the thing and maybe Your sports need is different right? You wanted the bay area sports and that's something the playstation has Sling tv doesn't always have your regional sports, but it has espn And if it did have your regional sports in espn and you want a comedy central and that was the most important You can go to sling tv and that's around 40 dollars a month I do mind if I step in real. Hey roger. Yeah Recently been cutting the cord too. Yeah, I cut it just because When I moved down here finally gave me an excuse not to get cable tv and it was cheap I've been like my internet's like 36 bucks a month um Now it's interesting because my father-in-law is a super baseball fan And he just wants to watch all the baseball and he was like, oh, how much would it cost to get direct tv? He's like, well, they had a dish here before the dish is still on the tv or not Not the tv got the roof of the house That's like, yeah, but you know with all the coax cables and the holes they drilled I really don't want to deal with it. It's like here's what I'll do a bayou a really like a 24 inch tv with roku built-in and then we'll sign you up for mlb And that'll cover everything i'll buy you a ten dollar antenna as you get over the air stuff and then you know You can use our hulu account Or you know to watch everything else and he really just watches sports or basically baseball So that covers pretty much everything and I don't have enough time During the week to watch everything on a normal basis anyway So I have hulu have netflix have amazon prime and over the air and I watch Um like cw cw has an app that let's let you watch their stuff for free with ads So even if I like like I miss out on flash for two weeks I can still catch up which is great And so I basically covered everything I need to watch And for my wife jen she wanted to make sure we would get snl It's like well with hulu you get it the next day. So literally we're not missing anything. That's great Yeah, I'm trying to think if there's anything major that we we'd be missing at this point Yeah, well because I know one concern was the dvr and so playstation has a cloud dvr The downside is it only lets you keep things for 28 days. The upside is it lasts forever and that dvr Uh service has improved tremendously. It almost works exactly like a dvr That's local if you've gotten over the air antenna You can do a lot of the broadcast stuff dvr on the tivo and then uh sling is launching a beta version of their dvr I just got accepted into the beta for that So i'll be able to try that out and see how it works as well. But the dvr part of the service is essential. I think Yeah, I'm I'm bet that's something i'm just so accustomed to at this point It would be hard to hard to give up But these these chance of the okay So the I just need to see the interface on the view or on the ps view The app rather to to see if I like it or not Yes, the the interface is very too the interface on the playstation itself is the best The one on the apple tv is very similar to the one on the playstation. The one on the roku is It's not good. Let me just be beef. It does it does it is broken still so bad tom Why is it still so bad? It's the app system? I think they need they they're kind of mired in old software Right and what apple did is they just said great. No, no backward compatibility We got a new apple tv and we're just starting from scratch and here's the here's the api With roku. They're they're still trying to maintain this backward compatibility going into the mid 2000s So I also we were going to buy a new apple tv because we haven't had one for for many many years We use a mac mini for for most of our our stuff on on the home theater system But uh, is there a new version coming out should we wait? I don't think so. I I haven't heard anything about uh, I haven't heard anything credible Let's put it that way about a new version So ryan feels like we're supposed to be waiting and I don't know why Well, maybe he knows something. Maybe he's heard something that I haven't You heard it here first dts audience You know what I did was I signed I needed to get a second apple and what I signed up I signed up to direct tv now because they were giving away a free apple tv When you paid for three months of service and it ended up being cheaper as long as I cancel after the first three months It's actually cheaper than buying a new apple tv. I don't know that's something to think about you get the mlb network On direct tv now that's that's one that you don't get on the other services. Just don't forget to cancel it Gotcha, uh, yeah, and by the way kv87 said what's the sum total of all these separate services? Honestly, it's less than you would pay with cable because I'm not you're not saying you should buy sling and playstation view And direct tv now we're saying you pick one of those Netflix you would pay for anyway that didn't come with your cable subscription amazon prime the same way So hulu is the only extra one that you have to decide do I really need it? Or can I just record those shows off of my playstation view service? Or do you not get one of those services and get hulu? You know, frankly, we just don't watch that much tv anymore. I really as long as I have netflix and baseball I'm happy. Yeah netflix baseball and the occasional anthony bordain Yeah, and the thing with mlb.tv is if if like rogers, uh, father-in-law He doesn't care about the local teams as much because he's not from there same with me Uh, you do you only you get all the games you care about unless they're playing the local teams Then you might have to go to over the air or one of these regional sports nets or something like that By the way tom happy pictures and catchers report today Oh, is that today? I thought it was tomorrow. I thought it was later this week Training starts tomorrow today's pictures and catchers Well, I got the the the notification from my mlb app that said they were reporting later this week Well, that's not true happy beginning of the actual spring which is with pictures and catches reports of spring training in eras My microphone keeps falling. That's why I hear any weird audio. Okay. Sorry about that Hey, thanks to everybody who supports us in the subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com I got a few things to get to before we're out of here today first of all Nate Langson and ian morris over at text message Give you the uk perspective on tech. What did you talk about this week, nate? Hey dtns listeners this week on text message We learned some teachers in british schools are being fitted with wearable cameras We've lots of questions about that as you can imagine But we also learned that british criminals will soon be able to skip court plead guilty online And pay a fine without ever seeing a judge. We've got some questions about that too You can hear all of that right now on text message by visiting tech podcast dot uk Back to you tom and if you're supporting dtns at the ten dollar a month level There is a monthly round table episode in your rss feed from patreon with Nate and ian, uh, we talked a lot about the history of teletext in europe Uh, and and how it compared to information delivery systems here in the u.s It was a lot of fun. So go check it out. Uh, either in your patreon feed or at tech podcast dot uk Do you remember marlin from trinidad for ronica? He's he's been he was in the buzz out loud audience He's been in the audience for a long time Uh, he is a big android user and and very good at sending us stuff about android and we talked on friday with lemar about Whether it's worth it to upgrade To the flagship phones anymore or you can get something like the one plus three t and be just as happy Here's what marlin thinks about it. Hey tom and veronica I think uh, this is marlin the guy from trinidad I just wanted to chime in on your discussion Last week about cell phones upgrading and what it would take people to buy a new one What kind of companies do? So gallup did a poll in 2015 of americans and 54% upgraded their phone when it became obsolete or it stopped working. So that's like three or four years Um, 44% upgraded when their cell phone provider allowed it, which is On average every two years. I've only 2% the enthusiasts like me upgraded as soon as possible, which is like once a year So I think any discussion about cell phone and upgrading misses the point when we try to think of features When that's not why the point people really upgrade and no matter what our cell phone company could do people Who longed their smartphones longer and longer? So just my two cents. I think it's maybe lowering the price is the key But then again that only would work on android. So I don't know anyhow love the show Thank you marlin. No, that is a fantastic point Why don't you talk to me? What's going on there? I think sat he said his his voice mail at sad clouded. I think that's why it started playing the next thing Uh, I I love that. Uh, I think that's a good point that that he's making about how We upgrade when it's time Now that still leaves open the question of when it's time Why do we pick the phones that we do and why do people decide to go for those flagship phones? For me, it's still after all these years about ecosystem. I think that's the the number one decider for me I've just invested it's it's you know, maybe it's a bit of sunk cost fallacy But at the same time I have actually invested a lot of money in apps that I still continue to use A lot of time into organizing them the way I like And it would be it would be difficult for me at this point to completely make the switch for good I've definitely been able to switch to android for example for short terms like for when I dropped my phone in the ocean As as one example of that And had to wait for the next phone to come out But yeah, it's it's it's just a convenience factor for me. I'm used to the physical form factor I'm used to how everything's how everything works. It's in my brain in a certain way I know that even if I upgrade to the next version of the iphone for example, it's going to be recognizable to me and easy to pick up So that's just laziness. I guess is what it comes down to tom Yeah, I love laziness. I think that happens to a lot of people Uh, we got a lot of other folks writing in sam and organ said I've been happy with nexus phones And I've had them since the htc nexus one. I'm not calling sam lazy, but it is that kind of inertia of like Hey, you know what? I'm happy in this ecosystem. I'm going to stay here He said I waited patiently for the pixel But I couldn't bring myself to pay more for a phone than my last laptop I bought a one plus three and aside from a quirk where it doesn't always switch to the mobile network from wi-fi Updates have been timely and it's fast. Can't beat it for the price Now he says updates have been timely rich. Jofilino in cleveland wrote in and said personally I prefer android in almost every way apple is behind in design and features in my opinion But I switched over to the iphone because I needed consistent support and work would only pay for a new iphone So he's like the fact that I knew I was going to get updates immediately I knew I was going to have a genius bar. I could go to you know made him say well, even if it doesn't have all the features I'm going to go with that That's awesome Also side note here you and rank into the british tech network. Uh, let us know that he took his mac s e Uh to an apple store in touchwood in the uk to see if they could help get it running again The s e in question was one of five prototypes made by apple for its uk developers back in 1987 He had had someone send him the original discs for system 3.3 And it turns out the guy at the genius bar staff at the touchwood store had worked on max in the 80s They and helped him get it up and running uh off those original discs They did run into an issue getting it installed on the 20 megabyte internal scuzzy drive You can see some of the stills and some more details from you and visit at the british tech live youtube channel If you want to take a look, I thought that was really funny of him to bring in his old mac like hey genius bar Can you help me with this? That's great Finally andy from indecisive weather michigan says a couple weeks ago I did an oculus rift demo at a local best buy in michigan They seem to have a solution to the idea of sweat on the demo units Which was a roll of thin foam liners that used a sticky surface To attach to the normal padding could have been slightly better if they had some kind of velcro Instead of sticky as it didn't want to stay on it first But he says if you you know if they had these vr units at the gym the gym could sell liners for a buck Maybe and I have a quick release for the straps and sell extra straps and andy says if they did that I'd use it Wait, what is this? What is this problem solving for with when when you have vr in public at an arcade Some gyms are using it roller coasters a lot of people get grossed out At the idea that all of the gunk from the previous user might still be there. That's a valid concern That's a valid valid concern So I immediately said japan Probably had a solution, but then we had a listener point out from taiwan that they have these these sort of like Liners that they were putting over them and so andy is like oh, yeah, we had something like that in michigan as well That's smart. That's super smart. Oh and so yes, by the way the cardinals and the giants both have pitchers and catchers today Oh good. Okay, good I'm glad we clarified that. Oh, there's our later a little bit later, but not by much It'd be a good season Even if it's hard to get punished for hacking They shouldn't hack they shouldn't hack tom They shouldn't that guy is no longer with the organization So go look it up if you want to know more about that. Did they kill him? No, they fired him a long time ago before before this even came out. I got fired for separate reasons. Yeah Well, thank you veronica belmont for joining us. Uh, what do you got going on to tell folks about? Uh, we'll have a new episode of the sword and laser this week on wednesday So stay tuned to that and also as always robot.io We launched our brand new website So if you're a team using slack and want to help track your team recognition and all your props and wins Please give it an install and check it out and also if you want to talk to me You can you can send me a message on intercom though. My whole team will see it Just letting you know so don't be weird But if you have any questions on the product to say hey, I've got a question for veronica and I'll answer it for you Cool. Do that folks. Let let veronica know you're listening. 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This is a little fun thing for the people who stick around after the show I it was like, oh my god. What if he's dexter? Oh Like what if he doesn't want to unlock the drives because there's more than they think more than they think And that's exactly what happened to dexter. They thought he was hiding on this little like You know that he had hidden away something bad, but it was actually a different bad Mm-hmm. It wasn't a bad thing. Yeah This is brothers for dexter. No Ship it just ship it back home put it like dhl fedex or whatever Verizon unlimited take six NASA's trouble with global entry That's funny. It wasn't a big story, but it was very funny the horizon take six. Yeah. No the nasa's Oh Well, I think uh, who not friend bio cow did a version said nasa employee not eligible for global entry. Yeah, he was though that's Traveling by carously through google maps google maps favorite things swipe to unlock border entry No joke razor It was swipe to unlock border entries funny. Yeah Hmm I'm torn. Yeah Smartphones, what if you did smartphones, please like, you know, when they say at the border like the old like eastern european border guard papers, please smart phones, please Cut the cord for a new view Quad deck quad deck quad doc For the check I don't even know where they put those decks and like there's where's the space Unless they cut in the battery size The mobile revolution will be prioritized the laws the power of the law compels you to unlock your phone Intel is no more Like, you know Moore's law the cabbie lake show Uh guilty until unlocked is trending at the is uh at the highest that he Is not my favorite. All right. Well, what's your favorite? What's your favorite? I think nasa's trouble with global entry is my favorite um Swipe to unlock border entry is also pretty good Um So I don't know I'm torn I like Verizon unlimited take six, but it's probably not the most compelling headline. I just think it's funny take six um The the two the the other two that you mentioned trouble with global entry and swipe to unlock are also really good Yeah, yeah, all right. What's up to you guys? We're gonna let the votes percolate for a minute Percolating There's a fish in the percolator I would explain why everything tastes funny Tastes funny Oh fill a fillet a fillet or fish A fillet a fillet of fish All right, uh, oh next vote next vote decides it. We've got a tie Ding ding. Oh I'm just waiting somebody. Oh, bam. Oh, no tie tie tie tie tie tie Waiting waiting for the there we go We have a winner Cool, of course immediately after that someone voted for the other one get tied again. Yeah too bad snooze You get a different title Best part is kv87 submit it both of them. So he wins either way. He wins all the things Alrighty fellas Ladies back to work Back to work ago The Veronica never rests Oh, tell me about that according to her twitter What does that mean? I don't get it. What does that mean, roger? Are you insinuating? I love you I don't see what you're saying. I don't tweet that much I don't tweet that much. It's a joke I don't get the joke though. I don't get it. I just don't get the joke No, he just said that you never rest But it's until but this was twitter have to do with it I don't understand your jokes are weird I think it's trying to imply that You know people get on twitter all the time and then Well, they should be working. You gotta explain it. The joke has no meaning at that point I think that was Veronica's intent Okay, all right. I'm gonna go Okay She doesn't she's not uh count, you know properly uh accounting for your dad jokeness now It's a given. I've always had a dag jokeness about yeah, but I have to say you've really stepped up your game since you actually became a dad Yeah Babies do that kids kids Exactly And then we have to go to the parent teachers conference. Oh, yeah, I don't know if I'll do pta meetings though I never liked them as kids. I doubt I'll like them as an adult. We have Oh, not pta You'd pay time off. No, it was uh parent teacher organization It was one of those weird things where I always felt growing up that there was the world you heard about on television And there was the real world and the real world never matched up Uh and granted that's actually true. I don't I'm being to apply that you know tv should be the real world But there were so many things that were like, oh, yeah pta and there was harper valley pta and everybody talked about pta I'm like ours is called pto Like I don't get it So it was fascinating when I first lived away from greenville to find like oh, some of these things really are real well, who said that to me someone um Someone who moved uh who worked at tag tv who moved out from the midwest It's like I totally get these simpsons jokes now like trainer sam's and stuff and like tofu food Like you actually have that here like yeah Well, one thing I never saw That like so you had pta, but they never had pal I'm not sure if that was a thing across the country, but the police have Police athletic league. It was like a basically a police Sponsored after school sports Sports thing for kids. We had the jcs. That was sounds like pretty much the same thing. It wasn't police related. It was um It was the junior chamber of commerce And so it would the jcs would actually do like after school athletics and they do the summer baseball league and all of that stuff so I'm wondering Like were these will the did you guys you guys had a rotary club? Did you guys have the lions club? Yeah, there was neither one of them were really that active But yeah, we had the lions the rotaries the american legion and the knights of columbus Yeah, we didn't have the knights of columbus for the american legion It's some veteran groups. I don't ever remember the american legions. There were the masons too. There was some masons The big ones from the lions club I mean, they would always have like a dinner at my parents restaurant every other month Yeah, but they were all they were all like in their 60s or older There was an elks lodge, but I don't think it was in greenville. I think it was Over in another town, but then I think some people were members of the elks But I've always wondered what the what were the What the policies were what are the benefits of being a member It's networking right like you would you would get together with people and and you would strike business relationships You know and make connections and help your kids out getting into college So if you were part of like a mac users group or something you could Yeah, we meant to get in a users group and for what about a writing circle Any of those things could do that And that's why like the country club was a big one because anybody could get in if they paid And then that's where all the big business deals would go down I mean the biggest deals, you know, I don't know how big they were really were I'll tell you some of my stakes 50% off There's a lot of real estate and banking stuff That was banking before you could like write checks And ship it over The Kiwanis I forgot about oh, we had that that we had yeah, we had the Kiwanis too I originally I thought it was like Kiwi. It's like, oh, it's like the fruit or bird like some sort of Yeah, the group. Well, that's how it started people just wanted to get around and and sit down and And pool their money to import Kiwi fruit But then it became easier to get Kiwi fruit. So you didn't need that as the purpose of the club Well, it's interesting to know how a lot of things start like That is because because Osh, I don't know if there's Osh outside of the california But the orchard supply hardware store is a chain of hardware stores But it started out as a farmers collective in the central valley where they would just pull Or actually know it's San Jose where they would pull their money to buy stuff Like seed fertilizer. Oh, so it's kind of like REI for camping enthusiasts, but for orchard farmers for like, yeah And then it just became its own thing Like now it's a business. It's no longer a collective sound. It doesn't seem like although I really like Osh Yeah, they carry a lot of stuff that for some reason Home Depot and those will not carry. I've noticed that most recently we needed a space heater And they didn't have any at home depot like They were out of stock of space heaters Granted it was at a cold snap in LA. So it's not totally unheard of but you think if anybody doesn't run out of them It's home depot, right? But they prioritize A slightly more professional clientele. So they didn't stock as many of them, I guess they for some reason carry a very limited Uh range of menu makers for locks and doors are not locks and handles at home depot And no one sells fire screens Like you have to order it special online. It's like well if I'm gonna do that I just order off amazon and get what I want instead of what you offer I went to the apple store because I this is my own mistake. Okay a week ago I looked online to see if they had a belkin sd card to usbc adapter And they did and they said it was in stock at this particular apple store. I'm like, great Try to get there soon. So saturday or no, I guess it was sunday Eileen needed to go to the same place. I'm like, oh good I want to drop by the apple store while we're there and get that sd card reader show up Don't have it out of stock I'm like Dumb me. I should have looked before I you know on the on the ride over because Eileen was driving So I walked out of the store and I'm like, you know what because it was going to be three weeks to order it online from apple I was like, you know what it's going to go on amazon and then find this belkin one But I found a different brand that got good ratings. Hopefully it works fine and it's coming today uh amazon Talk about disruptive force Like it used to be you would just suck it up And just go to the store and buy whatever they had because you had no other option Now you said, well, they don't have it just order off Because that's what they do when I walk them out of the aisle. So they don't have it. I'm just going to word off them is on Oh, man I didn't realize I didn't do that well, I've almost finished The uh publication of the show So ladies and gentlemen, may I thank you for your support your attention for hanging out with us You guys are the best I'm gonna press that publish button now And I Will see you later Say goodbye roger Bye roger