 Ah, Marvel and Star Wars and other popular media that's bad, eh? Why? Why? Why? Why? My goodness, Shakespeare's fist. I can't believe we just spent ten minutes saying the n-words. Whoa! Generally, before any fact, we want to get it out of our system. And 90% of it was coming from me. Yeah, 93, I think I did the science on it. Very cool. There you go. It's already someone in chat. That's working. That's good. Progress. Hey, wait. Jay Longbone. You don't have a Twitter? Yeah. You have two of them, right? Because you got freed on the other one. Oh, yeah, yeah. They tried to punk me, but then I came back. Yeah, I've been bonked a few times on Twitter and I tend to, like, whenever I do, I'll re-follow, you know, the Sargon crew and I'll re-follow Kibbs, I'll re-follow, like, Lilith. Oh, you guys, you know, Moller and Fringin, oh, Rageon on Twitter, right? I don't think so. No, I'm not. Yeah, that's a good use of your time, Rageon. Yes, it is a good use of your time. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. Who here is meeting for the first time? I'm always curious about that sort of thing happening. Disperu and probably all the rest of you? Yeah. Wait, who's here what for the first time? I didn't hear. Who's meeting here for the first time? Oh, I think I haven't met Weekend Warrior or Disperu before. We have been acquainted, Mr. Otaku. Okay, okay, okay. Aside from... Yeah, yeah, I know, yeah. That was my first time talking to you, I mean. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, because it's like we've had you all on for, you know, ripping into other things individually, but now it's time you all experienced the movie, Bob. Or at least you will, eventually. Which... to be honest with you, there's no reason not to just get into this, this amazing topic we're doing today, which is pretty much just looking into people's opinions on what the fuck Phase Four was and where we're at now for Marvel, because it's an enormous company making all kinds of big old movies, but it feels like things aren't quite right legally. That's all. Especially with Guardians coming out, that's going to be a real interesting one. I don't know about anyone else, but... I've been seeing people pick over the TV sparse trailers and clips and stuff coming out for that quite a bit on Twitter. Well, it's a relevant part for Guardians is going to be how much of an effect does all of what's been happening with Marvel have on something like Guardians that has a good reputation or did, anyway. Like, what is the, what's the effect? What's the knock-on effect? How long has it been since Guardians 2? It's been six years. Yeah, I feel like that goodwill has evaporated a little bit. Yeah. And I didn't like Guardians 2 either. I like Guardians 1, but 2... I've seen it. A lot of people have said Guardians 2 is the one they're not hugely fond of. I like both of them. I'm pretty sure I prefer one. I can understand why people wouldn't like 2 as much. It's a little bit... One is like a really straightforward beginning, middle end, like a lot of the standard beats hit well. It's a little bit more experimental, a little bit. A little bit. Less conventionally. Yeah. Still fond of the character work, isn't it? And it still felt like more of a... I've heard it for years, but I really do. It's like the only thing I care about anymore. That's it. Because I don't care about Daredevil at this point. I don't really have any expectations for that show. Why? Why would you say that? Yeah, I don't know, man. I know it's pretty crazy. You don't like the yellow suit? No, I actually like the yellow suit, but I don't like that She-Hulk was making fun of it while profiting from it. That was annoying. We do that all the time. Yeah, that's a stupid name. While you rake in in money off of it. While we color show that and we... Can we not talk about She-Hulk, please? What do you mean? Can we not talk about... Well, you picked the wrong... I'm pretty sure everyone here was triggered by that show. You're not the only one. I just fucking hate that show. Did you watch the whole thing? Oh, yeah, I did. I was about to say you got no one else to blame but yourself, but I don't know. You did the Lord's work. You got in there and you know... Yeah. I had to witness how bad it was. It was really bad. Well, so did everyone else. I mean, any video about that topic while it was out just hit every time. Yeah, even episode one, right? That one scene where she just explains to Bruce how wrong he is about everything. It didn't go over well. Crazy. How far it sank after that, though. Nobody could have predicted what was coming. It's really awkward because nobody seems to talk about it very favorably anymore. You almost wonder with how it went on, like the season that they felt when making it like, wait, people are hung on watching this still? We're just fucking around at this point. I would have thought you'd left by now and it's like, no, still here. Thanks for that. Yeah, because that first episode was meant to be like episode four or five, they said, but they were forced to put it first because they thought, well, no one else is going to stay around otherwise. We need to hit them with something big. It's pretty obvious that episode two was meant to be episode one. It's like the episode that's all about laying down the groundwork for the formula of that show, but they figured that they needed to throw Hulk in at the start. The less I see of him, the better at this point. Yeah, it's kind of, yeah. Remember, like, when he was a rage monster? That was just like a bad idea. Or maybe it wasn't a bad idea, but we skipped over all of the most interesting stuff, which was them actually fusing together and dealing with what are the implications of that in terms of their personalities. We skipped over the most significant piece of development that character ever had to turn him into a goofster, like a jokey, quippy character. That was just misguided. There were a lot of misguided decisions in that game. Yeah, that was one of the more obvious losses of potential, but it really feels like there's just a loss of potential with every single thing they've done at this point. Oh yeah, like look at Thor. You can see that about phase four wasted potential. Well, especially when you think about the sheer quantity of hours of content that you got for phase four, more than I think phase one, two, and three combined or like something thereabouts. It's like, what'd you get for it? What'd you get for it? Like, could you even like list five great moments from like all of phase four in the same way that you probably could for like any individual earlier phase? Yeah. Like it went to credits rule. Excluding Spider-Man No Way Home. You know, excluding that then Thor would be. Oh my God. That's the hard carry for phase four, you know. What's the thing, guys? Like did phase four destroy the MCU as much as all of Disney Star Wars destroyed the Star Wars IP? Which one did more damage to the IP? It's interesting question at this point because now, right, it's more or less like Ant-Man 3 failed. Like that film didn't perform. I don't know if it lost any money, but there's no way that they're like, yeah, we were expecting about $450 million. Like that was what we were expecting to kick off phase five. Yeah, that movie looks like it's definitely a film that they would want to get $450 million from on a $200 million budget. $200 million budget. Who knows how much marketing? Yeah, and it's like, it's one of those movies that looks so expensive and so bad. It looks expensive and terrible at the same time. It's interesting. It's kind of like Shazam a little bit. Shazam was cheaper though. No, of course. It's just that there's still stuff in there. We're just like, yep, that would have cost. That would have cost. Like, you know, just, yeah. Dragons. Yeah, dragons. Money. And that film came in at what? $120 million on a $125 million budget. Yeah. We were some of the only people on Earth that saw it. Yeah. Nobody really, nobody. It was kind of like a joke movie movie before it like came out. Like it was to the point that they were joking about it on like late night television shows where they go to promote these films. Do you remember that John Oliver clip of him like making fun of Shazam? Like before it even come out. And I think like Seth Meyers. Yeah, because he was on Seth Meyers. And I think he was like saying Shazam too looks great. Obviously sarcastic. Like even Seth Meyers was struggling to like play it off because it's, you know, that's not great. It's become popular with the, I guess, culture now to just shit all over Marvel like new Marvel superhero movies. Just superhero movies in general. Wow. And then what's it going to look like when the flash comes out? Because that's, you know, It's almost like we've all become, I don't know, stock brokers and people who just pay attention to how everything is received and how it's all fully apart now because it's like we're all resigned to knowing it's all shit. But we're just curious how long it will take for a car to make money anymore. Yeah. It's like a trainer. It's like we're at the point where we know there's a train wreck. We don't know how big the train wreck is going to be. It's like we're going to, we're anticipating. It's like that whole video World War Two, the train wreck is just like, damn, it just, it just keeps going. It just keeps going. Can I just say? I'd like to hop in here for a second just cause I don't follow the Marvel stuff, the Marvel stuff the way that you guys seem to. I definitely follow Star Trek and Star Wars though. Those are my things. And I kind of feel the same way. Like it's a bit, things are getting just a bit. We've seen too much of it. What is it called? Is it audience fatigue? Or is it like franchise fatigue? It's something like that, right? We're looking to find that out today actually. Right, right. That's a good question, Dev. Yeah. It's an excellent way to set up our topics of conversation today. Oh, I didn't mean to do that. I was going to say, I was going to say, wow. Right, Dev. Once again, your incredible humility shines through. That's something I'm known for, apparently, Regs. Yeah. But listen, listen. No, it's just, you mentioned the flash. You guys just mentioned the flash and that's something flashed in my mind. Oh my goodness. So there was some drama about Ezra Miller being some kind of a creeper, right? I don't know the whole story. Strangling people, kidnapping people. There's lots of things that are precious. Oh my God. Okay. Creeping strangler. Being a Hawaiian terrorist. Yeah. Yeah. He chose to slam someone to the floor on camera. There's something about, basically, it was all kind of, people were trying to brush that away. It's like, oh, it didn't happen. Whatever. It just put out a movie. I think most people come around to just concede it. It was that video of the strangling kind of made it impossible to defend any of that. The video of the strangling made it really difficult. That'll do that, you know? It was really a wrench in the hole. That video of the strangling. I have to admit, I haven't seen the strangling part. So that's news to me. Yeah. Good role. I know you want to show that to me at some point. I'm really curious now. There was actually a fucking strangling. Oh, now we know what Dev's thing is. The video is to find that video of the strangling and send it to me just so I have a kind of context to it. I just need to know how to avoid it. I didn't like it before. Fuck. Well, no. So before I, before we started, my editor asked me, hey, you're going on the map today. He's like, yeah. I said, yeah, I'm going on. We're talking about it. And he said, well, isn't there a current thing happening that's Ezra Miller like? And yeah, kind of. I think he sent me something. Where is it? Fuck. Let me just check my god damn. Jonathan major. Yeah. Well, that's what it is. If you want the similar situation, the quick version of that is they've just introduced in Quantamania definitively that Kang played by Jonathan major is going to be a big dude in terms of everything that's happening in the Marvel storyline going forward. The phase is five and six. He's going to be a big part of it. He's the guy who can travel through time and multiverse. And so you see like bazillions of him and he's played by Jonathan. All of them are played by Jonathan majors. We've already seen like, I was about to say, like four visions or whatever. It's like, well, no, we've actually seen thousands of him already, which has just become like canon. And then he's he's gotten a bunch of accusations and he's been dropped from a bunch of projects and agencies and stuff. So Marvel right now probably panicking like crazy and trying to figure out if they should recast him or not. That's the big thing that's happening for him. Don't know, of course, whether or not guilty or innocent and everybody is hoping that that will be the most important piece of information once it's finally figured out as to what happens to his career next. But unfortunately we're on earth where that doesn't always happen. Right. Right. Okay. That sounds good to me. I just didn't know the context of that. So yeah, well, that's like the short vision. And of course, if you're just invested in how this company is going forward and how things are happening as much as you should be more concerned about the humans involved, I understand that. But as commentators of like how this will go, it's like that's a really bad thing for Disney to have to deal with. As would any company. And it's kind of the same for didn't Warner Brothers have to announce like their final decision regarding Ezra Miller and stuff. I remember there's a rumor saying that they had three options was like fire, recast or keep and they went with keep. But of course- I never even liked the Kang idea to begin with. Like every movie you're going to see is just going to be the same guy that with slightly different powers who's supposed to be a different person. Yeah. That sounds repetitive and dull to me in the first place. You might be able to make it work. But like why would you go with that over, you know, Galactus, Doom, the best though all these like very famous and very, very character driven villains that have like all the built in stuff to make really interesting stories instead of a person that basically even all the people who are familiar with media here. I don't even know how many of us had heard of Kang before this had happened. He's going to turn into a joke because he has to lose. He's already a joke. That would be the end of the universe. No, he's already a joke. No, he's already a joke. He's going to keep on losing. Just don't laugh at him to his face. Like we got this guy that's supposed to be like a Thanos level threat and he just gets beaten by ant man. So how- He got beaten by ants. Yeah. Yeah. Actual ants beat him. To be fair, they were hyper- They're a type 2 technocratic socialist- They're probably a time formal somehow. Yeah. Time dilation. Time traveling ants, you know. That could be a bitch. From the future in a pocket dimension. Okay, whatever. Okay. Okay, movie. It makes sense. Why are you saying it like that? God. Their future ants come back to the future. They're ants. It's just a little dismissive. Yeah, then- You get that? I'm going to say mega-dismissive. Fuck that movie. Oh my god. What? I don't like this ant hatred. Yeah. He was introduced in that movie as like having been beaten by his other Kang people. And then he's beaten again by Michelle Pfeiffer. He's beaten again by Ant-Man. It's- Oh. Sort of mean. It's just like, oh, and what about the guy from Loki? It's like, well, he was stabbed by the old Loki. So, you know what I mean? Like all the- They've just sucked all the Kangs. But he's coming back. It's about to be beaten again by the Avengers. Yeah. And the one in Loki was the most powerful one. He was the one that won the first fight across all of them. So, he should have been the scariest guy and he immediately lost. Well... Shall we find a subway to segue into our first video today, which is going to be from the a cosmonaut variety we haven't seen in a while, who famously really enjoys a lot of Phase Four stuff, but he's got a video called The Current State of the MCU. I remember him- No way. setting this up as like, you know, the MCU's in trouble and it's just like, ah, really, you know? And it's curious how discussion has moved on because basically, like, a lot of commentators will stake out their position and then the tide will just go a particular direction and they'll just absorb into the tide anyway, right? It'll be like, you know, this is what things are like and then they see how everything's going. They're like, oh, actually, that is. This is what things are like now, actually. And this is like, oh, it doesn't feel authentic. It's kind of where I'm going with that. Because a lot of the people from our sort of, so to say, spheres of the internet have been fucking doomsaying the, uh, well, Star Wars and the MCU for years and it's finally like actually hitting them hard in the box office, which, uh, we pretty much figured would happen. It just took some time. In any case, are you all ready to watch some fun video? Absolutely. Indeed. I'm ready. Is it fun though? Is it? Of course it's fun. You're with us. Oh, okay. We'll take care of you. We'll make fun or else. Oh, okay. Okay. All right. Here we go. Phase four, more like phase snore. I know it's like, he said literally like five seconds of things. Like, yeah, but was phase four's problem at being really boring or just being horribly bad? Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait. Mahler, you already said that he likes phase four, right? He's going to explain it. He's going to. He's going to explain it. Okay. Is he going to inhale massive copium? Well, so the problem is as individual projects come out, it's like, yeah, project. Woohoo. That was like, yeah. And then you look back and you're like, I don't remember a thing about that. That was shit. That's how the cycle goes with a lot of people. Oh. Oh. I came home and traveled home and forgot the movie. That's how fun the movie was. I was making a video like, I can't remember most of it. I'm sorry. I replaced Thor 2 as the movie. No one remembers the MCU. I guess it's just like there's one per phase at the very least. But yeah, no one remembers Adam and the Wasp. So Quantamania. It's like, will everyone forget that one? It's like, well, no one's going to forget Modoc at least. Wait, wait. I hate Quantamania more than the second film. Does that make it a better experience or a more memorable one? It's up to you really. It depends on how you do you find movies are worse, the less memorable they are? Do you find they're just worse for, like, you know, how incoherent they are? Yes. I will take both. That's right, guys. This one's been a long time coming. I was going to make this video last year after Black Panther came out, but I kind of got a little busy. And you know, Black Panther 2 left me a little more optimistic about the future of the MCU. Oh, jeez. Legit. It's like, how the fuck? Black Panther 2 was awful. I can't believe that. Jeez, that movie was such shit. I'm trying to remember the fucking plot. It's something about a guy with wings in an underwater city. His feet underwater. It's like, what? It's like, yep, that's that's what that was. I always forget the name of the city. It begins with a T, right? To not to to not to not to not to click on. That's probably close enough. Tough acting to acting. Yeah. There were some tough acting in that movie. That's true. I remember what's her name? The Queen Drowned, because she's like, just, you know, face down. Drowned in her tower. She saved a strong independent inventor lady. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Riri Williams was in it. She was awful too. In terms of just like basic characterizations, she's just a genius. She's in an Iron Man suit. She's blowing everything up. It's great. It's like, okay, that's happening. Fuck. I'm gonna try and compliment it with something, but I'm trying to think. No, you don't have to compliment it, though. Some of the performances were good. Yeah. Angela Bassett gave a shit. I mean, that's generally what can be said for a lot of these productions is, yeah, the performances are good, but the writing. Hmm. This was seen with music. That was pretty good. There you go. You know, she comes in and arm wrestles and Baku. That's about it though. We got that. I appreciate it as it comes. Better movies in phase four, but then the movies got bad again. Bad again. Bad again. Bad again. Unlike Wakanda Forever. My question for him would be, could you just like run through the plot from beginning to end for Black Panther Wakanda Forever? I'd be so curious. No way you could do it. That's too difficult. I don't know. I don't know. We have a better chance to do it, because we went through it meticulously, and I have actually like I know we hold that. Tough. It was like, yeah, I don't want everything. It's like a six hour movie, and I just can't remember. It is insanely long. So here we go. Maybe this is a maybe this is a hot take, but I haven't liked anything Marvel since the first Avengers. That is just hot. Have you seen one? I tried. I tried. Let him cook. Let him cook. What are you saying? Like, I enjoyed some of it, and it was like, okay, I kept watching this is like an ongoing story. I want to see it to the end, but like it was it didn't really capture me. And but then as soon as I'm sorry, what? What have you seen? Which films have you seen? Yeah, Avengers. Avengers movie. Yeah, I imagine people are going to want to ask, like, what did you think of Winter Soldier, for example? I can't remember. It's been so long. I'm going to be honest with you. It is an interesting take, but if you can't remember any of the movies, it becomes a very boring take. Fair enough. Fair enough. Like, I remember liking a lot of the stuff before the first Avengers. And I remember liking the first Avengers a lot. And then after that, it just didn't hold my interest, but I tried to kind of keep going with it. And then after I saw Endgame, I was like, okay, I'm done. It seems like the end of the story and. Oh, no. 50 hours at least. All good to go. Get excited. I'm going to talk about the current state of the MCU. And how I think that things should change pretty soon. Or else I don't see people sticking around for much longer. This feels like such a like after after the fact commentary and when everyone else did like, what do you mean? People are already fucking falling off. You know that. Why are you pretending like this is a prediction? The fucking box office has already come out. See, when I look back on the fourth phase of the MCU, I do not have strong feelings about most of the things that I have watched. It's disappointing that right after endgame, they chose to just flood the market with a plethora of mediocre shows and movies. The common word I hear around the MCU nowadays is mid. Which is generous. It's not even mid. It's not even mid. How can you watch some in like mid and say it's mid? It's a safe thing to say for your YouTube video. It is remarkable how low quality the storytelling has been in like phase four. Like it's kind of incredible. Like every single like new project was like, oh my God, I think we've discovered like a new way that something can be like about as bad as it can get. It's kind of crazy. Imagine calling Love and Thunder, MOM, and Quantum Mania at mid films. They're chill. They're fine. They got some good stuff and some great stuff maybe even among them. It's like fucking hell. Guys, I have a confession. I have a confession, guys. I have not watched Mom. That's okay. I wouldn't recommend it. Yeah. Oh, go ahead, man. Go ahead. I was going to say that's the point. It mid should still be entertaining. Like how low is the bar of general entertainment? If the average show is trashed at a turn, you know? Yeah. Literally the middle of the scale. Yeah. In the background or something. Multiverse of madness. You just you never want to watch it again. Like at all. It's in any way. There's always something better to watch than that show. So it can't be average. Imagine a lot of good work. Yeah. Imagine a lot of people are like, oh. These people think it's average. These people are like, oh, well, they said. Well, this is like memes about how like mid means bad. But then he's just said like mid. It is fair to say they're mid because they're like mediocre. And it's like, no, they're really bad. I wish they were. A mid movie. A mid movie should be one where you're you're sitting in the theater and you have popcorn and you're like kind of falling asleep. But when you're awake, it's like good enough. And I'm not even sure about that. Shouldn't Hollywood be where the best people in entertainment end up making movies? And so shouldn't even the average movie be quite entertaining? Maybe in a world that made sense. We're not in that one. Yeah. We're not in that one. I mean, if you're actually hired the best people for every job, there should be enough people in the world if you're gathering the best of everybody. Yeah. That was 20 years ago. Well, exactly. We've already lived through this era where that was true. So it was possible. Honestly. I think it's probably the most accurate use of that word. Because it doesn't really mean bad. It just means media. Sorry. Falcon and the Soldier was awful. It was one of the worst movies. It's one of the worst. I will grant that it gave us Walker and it didn't destroy Zemo. Fine. But it was still painful as fuck to walk. We have an 11 plus hour EFAP episode with Jay Longbone on that one. That's right. Yeah. It took a while to get through. Like, yeah, the most accurate way to describe Phase Four is mid. It's like mid. You think the best way to describe Phase Four is like, yeah, it's okay. That's like what mid means is like, yeah, it's okay. I'm a bad show then. What do you think is bad? Oh, well, we're about to find out what he thinks is good. Out of the. Well, he said what kind of forever gave him hope. Oh, it gets better. Oh my God, you were great. That was giving back. Oh my God. Even though it has like a lot of the same. The same problems as like every other thing that's been in Phase Four. It's kind of like really one thing. It's like, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like it's like, yeah, it's been in Phase Four. Tons of like really wonky world building, confused plotting. Like it can really hope Spain will. Oops. The middle of the road. And yeah, the recent MCU entries usually aren't horrible. You know, once in a while you watch something pretty fun and cool. But most of the time it's just fine. I always love the define. I called it in my head that he was going to site of Spider-Man because that is just. You know, one that anybody really has anything to say about, you know, like just sort of one of the big things that movie benefits from is not destroying Andrew Garfield or Tom McGuire. Like the having them there and having them in a way that people really enjoy them. That's what gives that movie quite a bit of a protection from the same sort of vitriol that a lot of the movies in Phase Four will get. But seriously, Love and Thunder, like isn't the best thing that came out of this shit he. I mean, anybody really has like, isn't that notoriously one of the worst MCU movies now? I thought I think so. The point where people don't remember it because it's just. I mean, dad had the shortest memory shelf life of all the movies. I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I and Yeah. Well, maybe like, you know before it came out maybe. But you remember like everyone making fun of the clips, not only for tone but also like the animation of the run and Moda obviously got leaked before cause there was like one shot of him in the trailer that people picked out. And then everyone was like, that's not real. And it's like, it is and you can fine at yourself. But Did someone mention that they'd like blurred that on like a future versions or something his butt. I can't remember I think you got censored for a country but I can't remember what it was in China. That's just so funny. Modoc's little butt flapping to the wind. It's like, oh, I can't begin that. It's gonna upset the audience. Never wished for censorship before, but jeez. It might be entertaining in the moment, but usually it's nothing that will blow you away or... That shit pissed me off in the moment, Love and Thunder. I don't agree with you, but it would be worthwhile if you like substantiated these games. No, he's got 10 minutes to talk about an entire phase for you. But if you say a bunch of so-so mere things that are not Well, I think it's just something I want for everybody. It's just something I want in mind is like, you're not like actually substantiating these things. You're just saying it and then just hoping that people will accept it. Go watch the individual videos if you want to know more, all right? Which is funny because they're probably going to be a lot more positive than the summaries are. I'm sure they are. It might be worthwhile to even take a look. How we've seen where the winds have shifted, so it's safe for me to come out with my final verdict. Except for us, the pioneers who take the arrows in the back every time when we come out and we say what a movie is, everyone has to catch up after we've already set up our homestead. His name is James James Cameron, the bravest pioneer, except it's us. Leave a lasting impression. The Infinity Saka was for the most part well planned out and well executed as a force. I'm not even sure I give it that. I'm not sure. It's like, I said that there are about six like movies from that era that I'd say like genuinely good, like good. And that come across as well planned out because a lot of it feels like hot potato sort of stuff. Well, it's it's a it's a much more loose sort of it's all leading up to Thanos. Sure. But like it's it's really easy things to sort of keep track of. Of like, oh, there's a stone there and it does that. There's a stone here that does that. Yeah. But like it's not it's not super tight. You know, like it's not. Take Guardians, for example, right? It'd be like, oh, that fits in so well. It's like, well, does it? It's just a bunch of new stuff. And then they've got a stone. It's not exactly how to like adhere to much of anything. I don't know. I'm not on Guardians. I'm just saying like to say that it's really well planned out. It's like, I mean, it's it's an accomplishment for sure. It's never been done before. That's got to be worth something. But like it's not it's not that well planned out. Like there's no way that when they were making like Iron Man 2 that they knew what endgame was going to look like. Oh, no, no. I don't even think they knew what it was going to look like when they'd finished. No, I don't. I don't think they won't. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. I think when like the first Iron Man came out, they weren't they weren't planning all the show like 20 movies or whatever. No, that wasn't happening. No, it wasn't a sure thing yet. There does seem to be a pretty extreme difference between Thanos and Post-Thanos. It's like now it seems like they're just kind of they're struggling to get any sort of coherent long term storyline. I'm not sure how much I'm not sure how much you know, Dev about like the way that they make these films. But there was a shit ton of compartmentalization when it comes to the writers to where like they might not even know what year their film is set in because they don't know how their story fits into the broader plan. But we talked about Falcon and the Winter Soldier. They didn't they weren't allowed to like mid they didn't know what what was going on with Catwoman America. Yeah, they asked if he was dead and they were told that they're not getting an answer on whether or not he's dead. Also, Cosmonaut might be worthwhile to crop out like the the logo there at the bottom left like for the channel. Hey, he's grabbing them clips online. Okay, and some people that's the way to go. I'm more interested in the idea that he he would like consider it meticulously well done in some way that just like phase four is like, you know, it's shocking. They're planning is starting to fall apart when there's been so much shitty planning in the earlier phases, just stuff that doesn't get as much attention. Like different things cross over things they forget about. There's loads of these like videos on all the plot threads that never got resolved. One of my favorite ones is Darren Cross creating the his own PIM particle that's going to change the arms race of the world forever. And he says like, you know, you can have the suits, but I have the fuel and you have to get it off me. And at the end of that sequence, we see a Hydra agent running off with the PIM particle. It's like, oh, what'll happen with that? Nothing apparently lost it. Yeah, he must have dropped it. He must have fallen and it broke. And it's like it's like an Arkham city with a Joker, you know, dropping the thing. It's like, ah, damn, oh, well, shots. Maybe they will bring that back someday, but it's like it's been a while. They're going to make a fourth Ant-Man. Do the actor who picked it up will be dead by the time they pick up all that shit. No, they're not going to make another Ant-Man now. I don't think anyway. How about the Guardians part where we're at the end of the Guardian, the first Guardians movie, Drax goes, I have to kill the main person responsible for the death of my family, Thanos. And he becomes like a joke character that disappears in Infinity War. So yeah, that was a huge fuck up they forgot about. They did not give Drax his payoff. We were actually, yeah, that's another thing I'm waiting for in Guardians 3 to see if James Gunn can seal that off. You know, you have a scene where he has to acknowledge that he never got that, you know, that revenge, but does he need it? You know, something like that. I mean, I guess you could. He could be like, well, I helped take down Thanos. And, you know, that feels like, you know, killing him now. I don't know. It's something, but I don't know. The hydropin particle was used on the Eternals. Huge rock guy sticking out of the air. That's how they justify that plot line. It's like, yeah, they threw it on him. It makes sense. Shut up. I guess in a more general sense, I don't entirely grasp how they make such huge mistakes with their own lore sometimes. And this applies to Marvel. It applies to DC. You can look at something like, that's more my wheelhouse, like World of Warcraft, right? There's like 25 years of Warcraft lore and they're constantly contradicting it with their new games or their new whatever. And I'm just wondering, like, don't you guys have some sort of lore bible where you can like see who's still alive and who's dead and like, what certain places look like and what certain things do. And either they're just incompetent or they're purposefully violating their own lore for some reason. If you unfortunately delve into the opinions on maintaining lore for a lot of the writers behind this, like we have, you can find a lot of them are like, well, it's time for new content, time for new things. And you shouldn't be restricted by the old. You should be able to... Yeah, the old is. I mean, this happened, this sort of happened when the TLJ kind of came out. This idea of basically, fuck canon. It's really restrictive and it's holding back creativity and you should be able to break free from all those rules you've established. Well, when they use the force for brand new crazy things, people are like, well, yeah, you don't want the same thing all the time, do you? And it's the idea that I've got my own single artistic vision and you're so somehow limited in me because I'm obviously so much better than this person that came before. So I can definitely do something better. It's very egotistical. The vanity is fucking frustrating when they like pick up, you know, older works and they're like, you know, this is missing way more force powers. Like, whoa, look at this. I got the force power to fucking just sub a lightning as a ghost. Oh yeah, that's fucking cool. If I were to steel man that position, it would be that if you just tell the same story over again with no change, it does get old. That's not even... But there has to be some middle ground between like respecting the foundations of a thing and building off of it and then just changing it. Well, that's kind of the George RR Martin position. He came out in an interview and said, I don't understand why people don't like these properties anymore. Everyone used to like them now they hate them. And he says that maybe it's because it's changing, but you would go insane if you didn't change it somehow. I'm like, yeah, but you're the author. Like you're working with your own stuff, so you have the right to change it. If somebody else came in with a property, you don't have the right to go back and change something that they did just because they can't defend it anymore. Especially something that so many people like love and care about. That gives it a sort of value that you don't have the right to change. Whereas if you're the original novelist, I'm like, okay, you can change your law in a way that still makes sense. And because you're the author, no one can really stop you. Yeah, yeah. I think probably the most blatant example of that recently was Lord of the Rings, the Rings of Power. Good God, that fucking show. Nobody here likes that show. It's really good. It's for all in agreement. Oh yeah, that show's really bad. I think that was some of the worst TV I've seen in a while. Might not be as bad as Picard season two, but it's pretty up there. Listen, we got a lot of competitors for that top spot. She-Hulk came out at the same time as Rings of Power. There's many hands trying to get their hands on that trophy. There are a lot of mid-movies in that collection, but there are also a lot of iconic action-adventure movies in there, too. And if you want to follow that up, you kind of have to go bigger and bolder. No, that's not true. Incorrect. Wrong. You have to go bigger and bolder. That's the biggest problem with Phase Four is that every single film is like this crazy world ending massive implications, like bombastic bullshit. It sucks because this attitude is probably why they actually did it when they were like... Yeah. Check out this guy walking around and saying, oh my god, the end of the multi-verse. You're like, again. We could have used some low-stakes stories. It's funny. When I was on, I think it was an open bar catch-up, or it was open bar, but a drink was just asking, because I'd seen Ant-Man at that point and he hadn't. He was under the impression that Ant-Man, Quantumania from the trailers, was actually going to be maybe not entirely cringe. And then I was like, what do you think the stakes are? And he was like, well, I'm assuming it's going to be between just Kang and Ant-Man and escaping the Quantum Realm. And I was like, no, end of the multi-verse. And he was like, oh, I can, I can. I'm like, yep. Always the end of the fucking multi-verse. I know. Oh, wow, get used to it. It's so nuts that Thanos' story is tiny compared to the stakes we're dealing with in phase four all the time. But good for you. You're trying to wipe out half the universe. That's really not much compared to the multi-verse, I guess. But yeah, it would have been really cool and perfectly timed for phase four to calm the fuck down. Yeah. I'll go back to establishing all of our characters so we can get those big old payoffs later in the phase. So, you know, humble beginnings, smaller stakes stories that are personal. But that would require some talent and, God forbid, a little bit of discretion. Chill. Everybody chill. Everybody chill is not doing that right now. I will never understand why they followed up the most popular movie of the 21st century with this. This was fun. Well, wait, but this has nothing to do with not going big enough. It just looks like shit. That's all. Well, yeah, this is really lame. Dispective, isn't it? Like, oh, yeah. Fallen off endgame with that notoriously bad visual effects clip that everybody already knows about from... Yeah, people clouted on this, like, immediately. What has this got to do with how big Black Widow is? Which, by the way, Black Widow is absurdly huge stakes as well. It's basically the fate of the world's countries. What does he think endgame should have been followed up by? Like, what does he think should have come after that? Maybe we'll find out. Pretty big. Can I just say before you go on to spar? Isn't his logic, like, you shouldn't go big? You should be as big as... No, his argument is that you should be big. You shouldn't go bigger than endgame, yeah. But this is fairly big. It's not as big as an endgame. It almost feels like it's stemming from the meta. It's like, well, it's a Black Widow movie, which, I mean, it's an expensive, big-budget movie for a character who was a participant in these films for, like, a decade. So it seems sufficiently big. But it almost feels like it's the meta rather than what actually happened in the story, which, in the story, the stakes were insane. Well, it was the end of the world. Yeah, basically, it would be Drake off who essentially takes over control of all these countries and governments. Black Widow was, you know, end of the world. Shang-Chi was end of the world. It's always this end of the world. Because you've got to be a little bit more... End of Earth, you know, in a sense, for Black Widow. With Shang-Chi, I don't know if it goes further, because it was like they were in a different dimension. So to the end of that, and the end of Earth. And possibly more. I don't really know what the limits of the Dragon Monster are. Eternals was the world was going to blow up. Yes. So, and then, you know, No Way Home was potentially the end of that universe. Like possibly. That was crazy. And then what was next after that? Moon Knight was the big Kaiju fight. So that was, like, potentially the end of the world. That would have been the souls of all humans on the planet. Yeah, that's the end of the world. Multiverse of madness was the end of the multiverse. That's where the stakes are getting real big. Yeah. Thor Love of Thunder was the end of the universe. He's looking at this from an objective perspective of, like, the universe. Whereas if you go from the individual hero, if you actually get the audience to care about the character, rather than treating them as someone disposable, so you care about this person and their feelings and stuff, then the end of his world would be like his family, his children, the people he knows. So it's still the end of his world. It's just that they don't look at it from the position of the individual. Everything is from this objective, almost like materialist-esque idea of... Yeah, like, ranking it in terms of statistics almost. Yeah, it doesn't matter itself. As opposed to... More numbers. Like Black Widow, if the final fight was her versus her sister who had been corrupted by whatever thing, and it was just those two, and one of them had to die or something. It's like those stakes to her would be enormous, but not big enough for the audience. It's so funny that, like, this was shown, after saying, like, we've got to go bigger than Ed Game. That was the problem. Yeah, because right off to this clip, like, right after this clip is the red room floating, like, secret station blows up and Black Widow free-dives to grab Yelena, parachute, and then has a mid-air fight with Taskmaster. It's absurd, but very funny. Yeah. Well, they were going for it. Funny. Well, this was very funny. No. It's still funny. That was a very lovely explosion. It's still funny. It's so bad. A lot of people don't know, but this is actually, this is precisely how explosions work in real life. Yeah. Dude, I'm not going to lie. The multiverse saga has potential to be more interesting than the previous overarching part. I mean, why? Well, but, like, potentials, yeah. Well, I was, I'm only asking why, because it's like, I'm so curious what your explanation would be for why that's the case, instead of just sort of leaving it up to the imagination of the viewer to figure that one out. That statement is basically, this could be good if they wrote it good. It's like, well, actually, yeah, it takes away from me. Pretty much, yeah, you know, if it were better, that it would be more interesting. You're like, sure. It would be less bad if it was gooder. But I'm not sure it is. Like, you defeat Kang. Oh, look, there's another Kang over here. I actually think it removes all stakes from everything. So it gets harder. Yeah, it's interesting you say that. One of the things I'm very curious about is how badly written it'll be that they stop him. How are they going to erase the Kangs of the world, like forever at the end of phase six or whatever? Probably some stupid spell or some stupid like nonsense thing where they're like, he's gone now. He can't return. That's, it just works that way. Shut up. Or they reinstall him in charge. Well, I mean, it would probably be the same position. Well, it might be the same. I mean, remember, it's Michael Waldron's writing secret wars and what was it with the Darkhold? All of them in all the universes got like, deleted by Wanda somehow. Right. Well, and let's not forget Bioshock Infinite that decided that all of the bookers and calm stocks were killed by that seed with the drowning. Like they could do something like that. They go back to a young aspiring Kang who's about to make the first invention and they very tearfully have to kill him because of what'll happen in the future. And somehow they just tell us like, trust me, this solves all problems. And you're like, oh, okay. Sure, whatever you say. Well, time traveling mastermind with multiple incarnations of himself. Yeah, he's pretty, he's pretty dumb. He's kind of a retard. A little bit. You know, it's not like he's had a lot of time to, you know. Why couldn't they make a real helmet? Why did it have to be CGI? CG helmets are cool. They go, in the middle of first year. Because it's because it's like his head, like the helmet doesn't track properly. Like it kind of like moves around. That makes it better. Like his head moves around in it. Yeah, that just shows that's supposed to show the instability of his state of mind. Yeah, it's very deep actually. And it's kind of embarrassing. Yeah, pretty clever. Pretty clever. Pretty smart writers. That's Hank. Around him can't quite keep up with who he is as a person. You know, the Kang dynasty, I'm sure that's going to be a great movie. Oh, yeah. The same great movie. Whatever you decide. Isn't the idea of Kang's self-defeating in the first place? Like, so because there's an infinite amount of universes with an infinite amount of people in them, everyone have an infinite amount of themselves as Kang. So like, why would you even? Why would you? Yeah, they wouldn't just be Kang to be an infinite Mies and to be an infinite everyone of these. And we'd all be fighting everybody in every universe. If you said that to the writers, they'd be like, no. This is a problem with infinity. Everything happens. With multiple incarnations of himself trying to stop the Avengers, is a much more interesting story than Purple Man wants to get to know. Oh, don't. Don't do it. Shut up. If I call him Purple Man. If I call him. And we're going to be that reductive. Yeah. If I call him Purple Man. Ha, ha, ha. See, I'm right if I call him Purple Man. Why can't you just call Kang Blue Man with his stupid helmet on? Yeah. Blue Man wants to destroy everything. Well, why would you? Why so reductive, my man? I just, I don't know. Just don't get upset if people refer to you by your skin color, man. But all right. Yeah, leave people people alone. It's kind of, it's a little strange that we leave Grimace and Purple Man wants to kill everybody. But that's all. He doesn't want to kill everybody. Yeah, he doesn't even. He wants to stop. He wants to kill half of the family. That's one thing we love. One job. You execute it well. You kind of have to plant seeds for this story at every opportunity. And so far. It's not a seed that you're planting really. That's also like. That's a weird thing to say as well, that you need to plant the seed in every story. No, you don't. Yeah, not only that, but like, do you think that if there was just an off mention of Kang in every Phase 4 project, that suddenly it would be good? No. Why is the notion that every single story and like a broader interconnected universe has to feed into that main story, that you can't have stories that are off to the periphery? Oh, like we said, we're dying for a story in Star Wars. It's just a whole last planet doing their thing. And someone's like, what do you think of the, you know, the empire being brought down and the Republic taking over. They're just like, don't give a shit. Yeah, sometimes things happen that just have nothing to do with like the big crazy, you know, world ending stuff. Like, I mean, look at comic books, like they're not all feeding into like the big end of the world, crazy stuff. Yes, I am. I think that was probably the most enjoyable part of, let's say, the first episode of the third season of the Mandalorian. Is it was just quiet, just back on the planet again? Oh, about the crocodile fight. No. Is there a crocodile fight in the episode? Jesus. Wait, first episode of the third season of Mandalorian, so the premiere of season three. Yeah, that was the crocodile fight. What happened was the crocodile fight. That's the crocodile one, yeah. Oh my God, that's so retarded. Okay, no, hold on. What I was thinking of, the scenes where he goes back to Navarro and he's like, you can have a little homestead here. Maybe we'll have like a nice, quiet story on one planet for once where just small things happen. So were you like a big fan of them recreating the IG unit and then it went crazy and tried to kill him? He missed him on the floor, two people. It was kind of funny, but I mean, I'll give you that. What are your broad thoughts on Mandalorian season three? I didn't like it. Okay, that's okay. I just didn't like it. Okay, cool. We liked it. Wait, did you guys like it? Oh, yeah, man. No, no. Yeah, we love it. It's really good. I mean, if you read the internet is a record of how much joy this show brings to us. We've been saying this for years. I've been waiting for three Praetorian Guard versus a baby. That's been kind of the payoff we've been edging toward and we finally got it. So that's pretty cool. Jill, that puppet. I was watching the third season with my girlfriend and she just said at one point, I missed the first season because the first season was actually really enjoyable. At least in my opinion. Just small stories traveling around, solving little puzzles. It was a fun time. What I will say is season one is better than season three. I would agree. I just want Lizzo to flip this over someone with a lightsaber. That's all I wanted to do with Brogu. I want him to stop. Just stop it. Stop stop stop it. Half of the movies and shows from phase four have had nothing to do with Kang or the multiverse or anything like that. That's fine. There's nothing to do with how good they are. Nothing to do with how good they are. And honestly, Marvel's running out of time because everybody's got a fucking multiverse now. That doesn't even do it. Yeah, okay. Just because the flash is coming out doesn't mean they need to hurry up with Kang. I don't even know. Kang needs to hurry because there's a multiverse where you see E.U. This is where I mean like these, if you listen to these videos, it's like, what the fuck are you saying? Like they see the flash coming out. They're like, oh, shit. We haven't even got our Avengers movie out yet. Fuck. We're going to lose the fight. Flash movies coming out. They better get their shit together. You know, you want to see Michael Keaton walking around in his crunchy ass bat mitts. And Marvel started this train with Spider-Verse, which wasn't an MCU thing. But still, it led to No Way Home, which kind of got us in this position. But after that, again, what is happening? It is worthwhile to like keep that in mind. I don't even know. But like, what is he saying? Like the multiverse as a concept is something they need to hurry up with, even though they kind of introduced it first. Even though they just parted it. Like, it was a film that wasn't part of the MCU that wasn't made by Marvel Studios that kicked it off. It was a Sony animated film. I can't underestimate how fucking lost I would be if I was trying to gain information from this video. Like, you see the problem is they've not banked on the multiverse very well because they didn't set up properly and they need to hurry because the Flash movie's coming out. And, you know, yeah, the MCU and Marvel and stuff, they kind of were there first, but... Except it wasn't actually the MCU. Yeah. And it's like, what the fuck is happening? What are you saying? Retraft, dude. They needed to slow down. It's too quick. It's all happening too quick. Well, it feels like he didn't actually script. He's just sort of chilling out. And he's like, yeah, it was the multiverse stuff, maybe. They've kind of just been dicking around. Normally, I'm okay with having a standalone story every once in a while that doesn't affect the multiverse. Let me help you out. You're okay with them when they're good. You're not when they're bad. That's it. And when they're bad and good, you don't say that those films are bad or good. You say it was a standalone movie and that's bad. That's what you'll blame. Who the fuck said, you know why said movies in the MCU are so good is because of how they set up Thanos? That's why they're so good. That's why. It's not the end. Like, Guardians 1 is so good because we got that glimpse of Thanos. I remember. What does that even matter when it was just setting up the story about the big purple man and wants to kill everyone, right? I haven't forgotten, and I will hold it to the internet, that when Infinity Wars trailer came out, a lot of people were like, who the fuck is Thanos, really? Like, we've gotten a couple of clips of him here and there. Apparently he wants to see Infinity Stones. I don't know him. And I remember Cogbook fans being like, oh, well, he's, you know, he's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, yeah, but it's not in the movies. So, you know, whatever. I don't think they could. This is his movie. How are they gonna give us enough information to make the stakes matter, to make blah, blah, blah? And then Infinity War comes out and people are like, oh, shit. That was pretty good. You know, a lot of people really liked the individual scenes where he was explaining what he was doing. It was enough anyway to make it all, feel like it mattered. So, the idea that, like, Phase 1, 2, 3 set up Thanos really well, I just, I don't buy it. Not even close. And you imagine a world where a story, like, introduces a character and like, it's a neat character? Like, in the film that the character's introduced. That's kind of a wild idea. I don't think they'd, I can see why they're not doing that anymore. I mean, that's crazy. You know what's kind of funny is, there's probably more Kang information in Phase 4 than there is Thanos information in Phase 1. Yes, there is. Probably. It had really, for Thanos, was that insane, specifically. And like, some references throughout Avengers. Like, a few references. Phase 4 is larger than Phase 1, but I mean, really it's, it could have, in terms of, it could have been as large in terms of like, overall timeline. It's just a matter of, they have more money and they can make more projects and show more characters and more places doing more things. I guess we're just trying to say, it's got nothing to do with setting up Kang. That's really not the problem. I think you could do it with the Kang thing. It's just that they already fucked it up by having multiple Kangs get being beaten every single time. What they should have done is have a single Kang that we see throughout and he keeps beating these Avengers so that he feels like a credible threat instead of what we get. Well, I think most, I don't know if most people here agree or not, but it was certainly an idea that was flowed that seems valuable to me that you should have killed Ant-Man in Quantamania. Yep. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah, or kill someone, kill the Wasp, kill someone. I think it would have been a solid exit for Paul Rudd's Ant-Man and it would have been, you could have the film being relatively light-hearted and then something like, you know, the third act is quite dark or whatever and yeah, it just sets Kang properly instead of Hope shoots him with a Wasp Blasters and he falls into an engine and dies. And I just say the ending also feels weird because it feels like they reshot it because- I did. Yeah, oh. Because it's like, it feels like Ant-Man confronting Kang and he sacrificed himself, that would have been a good ending for it. Or he's trapped there and Kang somehow manages to escape and he's stuck with the Wasp. Yeah, I think. They said he was trapped there originally, but they didn't want to repeat the same story beats as earlier movies so they changed it. That was the actual reason. And you can tell there's the moment where Scott, when he's been beaten up and Hope goes up to him once they've beaten Kang and he's like, you know, is Cassie okay? She made it, she's like, she's okay, she's on the other side. The idea being, of course, that's the last of, you know, Cassie didn't get trapped down here with us. We're trapped, but at least she's out. And then they're like, let's go home. It's like really weird that he's like, oh God, is Cassie okay? Yeah. Cassie may go over there. Like they come back through the portal like nothing ever happened. And you're like, okay. It's really clunky as fuck that whole finale because they are chewing together like two different storylines that they were running with. But yeah, another thing that Chad has been saying, it's like, well, at least kill Hank or Janet, right? And it's like, Hank would probably be the best option. And it gives Michael Douglas a fucking exit from this insane shit. Nightmare. And the way you do it, it's all set up. If anyone here remembers the Outman movies, the whole reason he wanted Scott and didn't want to use his daughters because he can't go in the suit because it's killing him at this point. Michael Douglas says he's used it so much that it's like tearing him apart. He can't use the suit anymore. It's like, so you have him use it one more time, right? To help save the day and then it kills him to do so. That would be the payoff. And then you're good. You get your original Ant-Man gets to be Ant-Man and sacrifice himself. And, you know, Kang killing him makes Kang feel a little bit more threatening. Well, I don't think it's just about Kang being threatened. You've got to give him some depth. I mean, even Thanos, right? Yeah, he wanted to wipe out half of all people, but he had a reason behind it and you didn't get the feeling that he was doing it out of pleasure. It was like, this is almost my duty to save people. So, yeah, I'm doing horrible things, but there's a reason for it. He didn't explain his reason. He's angry. Well, you can actually use when he was blasting people. Have you ever been angry before? Yeah, just for you don't understand like he's real angry. It was a power trick for him. And yeah, the excuse of, well, everybody else behind me but if you're an ass, I'm still not going to root for you to defeat them in the first place. Just like, if you think I'm bad, you won't believe how bad they really are. They fucked it. The chances when you talk to Janet, right? They fucked it when she said something like, you know, what about the trillions of people that are going to die? And he says, I wish that mattered. It's like, okay. It's just a mast. Like, no, you've got to give him either he's got to struggle or because even when he was in like Loki, it was basically he was still on a power trip. He just thought that he'd won and that was rice overall. But there was no real depth to the story or the character. It was just like, this is how things are meant to be. He was bored in Loki, right? That was like the whole deal. He was like, I'm fucking bored. I don't want to stop controlling the universe and now in the cosmos. And oh, I'm so curious to see if you'll stab me. Because he says like, their choices were to take control and do the things that he's essentially been doing but their own whims or kill him and release the whole world, the freedom of the timelines. Because, and it's like, well, why isn't there a third option of him just continuing? It's like, because he's bored. He just don't want to do it anymore. He said that he's just fucking bored. Like, wow, this is a really interesting character you got. Yeah, I think it's just earlier things that they used to, the villains used to have either reasons or they'd have a different moral structure. The villains used to have a reason. It felt like that, yeah. It felt like that, yeah. They don't have any more. Now they're just, well, they're evil. But at the same time, you should probably feel bad for them. It's like, why? But why? It's dad dies and that means he can do anything now. It's like, no, that's not how that works. Well, it's crazy to be like, oh, he was really upset. He's really sad. He just hates the world. It's like, okay. If everyone rolls their minds back, even, I don't know, it's probably what, 10 years now. That used to be what the problem with the MCU was that the villains weren't detailed enough. They had motives. They just weren't, they were pretty thin. These days, you could barely tell what the fuck they're doing. Like, why anything's happening. It's like, well, there they are. Remember like Gore? You watch the movie and it's like, he's got a God. That God is a dick to him. And he's like, right, time for me to kill all gods. It's like, what? That doesn't even make sense. And then Thor's like, wow, he's been killing good gods. It's like, why is he killing the good gods? Fucking movies. That he's terrifying children by decapitating things. And you're like, why? What does that got to do with anything? So far, the last like, dozen entries really haven't had any connecting tissue. Honestly, not a problem. If they were all disconnected, superhero movies that were good. I think the public wouldn't mind anyone near as much. People really get hung up on like, it has to be in a cinematic universe. It has to be all connected, not in the sense of a lack of contradiction, but in the sense of it all needs to have constant references and cameos and all that shit. Yeah, that's the most important thing to their minds. It's like, I can't just watch a movie. No, it's like they're looking at it from Marvel's perspective because Marvel wants them to be connected because it gives you a reason to see that movie in the first place. Which is a fair degree. But you shouldn't care as long as you're entertained at the time. The thing, I remember in She-Hulk, I'd go on Twitter to see what people thought about it. And all I saw was picture of this thing. That's a reference to the Eternals. Do you see what a phone screen saver is? That's a reference to this. So I can see why there's definitely a section of people out there that just want Easter eggs everywhere, the expense of anything else. And because it's funny to say that, I remember a tweet from Movie Bob of actually all people with a screenshot from a trailer where in Thor Love and Thunder they're in this big room near the end. It's where all the big fight happens and there's like four statues. And he identifies all four, explains what they represent and what they will mean going forward in the story. And I remember thinking to myself like, no way, no way, anything like that happens. It's just going to be literally just statues in the background that they took from the comics and that's it. That's as far as it'll go. And they didn't even mention them. I was just like, fuck me, the fans have to do so much work to make these movies more interesting. And the real sad thing is, yeah, remember the sentiment around Shazam? It was like, why would I go see Shazam when I know that it doesn't lead to anything? It's like, fuck no. Imagine Shazam was just a good movie though. Imagine movies were just a movie with a start and then a middle and then that was it. Because it's the continuation of characters you liked from Shazam. Like you want to see what happens to those guys, right? And it's like, no, not if they don't end up in a third movie. Oh my god. Okay. It's such a weird culture that they fostered but it's killed them now. Because, yeah, as you can see from this video and many others like it, a lot of people cite that the problem with Phase 4 is that they're not connected enough and they don't lead into anything enough. Which is so far away from the actual issue as far as I'm concerned, but... Sure. Knee connecting tissue. Everything has been a standalone story. It kind of feels like Marvel was just kind of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. I fucking wish that's what we were doing. Like giving it all kinds of artists and saying you don't have to connect yourselves but stay low stakes. That statement has nothing to do with the prior statement. The story is a standalone. Marvel's throwing shit at the wall. It's like, it feels like two different... It's like two very different claims, you know? And like the notion that it's... that compared to, you know, the other Phase 4, it's like, yeah, they were a lot more interconnected. It's like, damn, man. I feel like it's a lot harder to keep track of what's going on in Phase 4 if you're not like watching a good portion of the stories. You know, like if you miss Guardians or if you miss, like, Thor the Dark World, you're not going to be lost in, like, Age of Ultron. No, of course. What did you need to see before you see Eternals? Nothing. Did you need to see Eternals? And then do you need to see Eternals to see anything else? Not really. And so does that mean that they're throwing shit at the walls? Like, no, actually, because the Eternals will come back at some point, I imagine. But at the same time, it's like, it's just a bad... Bill, I haven't seen it. I'm going off of what Fringis said. Okay, but it's a shitty film, as opposed to, oh, you see, that's the problem. Didn't connect enough with the before and after. Yeah, it was like, if it was good, you wouldn't care. It's just like, well, that's a good story that I got to see, you know? How much did Guardians connect with the MCU? Yeah, and Guardians 2, they're like, they're on, off, like, very much off to the side. And they're one of the most well-received of all the movies in the MCU. Explain. How does this make sense? And obviously, the thing that everybody thought would be popular was the most popular entry. People very clearly react... What does that have to do with anything? Well, how does that link to anything that you said previously? Spider-Man is the most popular Marvel character. Yeah, like... He's Spider-Man. It's like, okay. Yeah, sure. Their entry. People very clearly react well to the multiverse stuff. No! Clearly, clearly they do. No! That's why we're having this conversation. What people reacted to was the appeal of like, oh, damn, we get to see like those characters from those other stories that I like. Like, that was what we had before. But then, like, films came out. In a matter of like three movies that really tackled the multivice, you already see very strong sentiment of, I'm very tired of the multivice. I don't like the multivice because it ruins stakes. You know, the multivice kind of sucks because you see like, oh, character X and it's like, yeah, you're just going to see character Y and they're the same as X, but different or... And you're just like, yeah. Like, you see that everywhere. And it was only... The multiverse was necessary to get those characters back together. But it's very simple to... similar to like Picard season three. People just wanted the characters back. It's like, yeah, okay, so you had to make a story where they could come together which required a multiverse. But if you'd done it another way without a multiverse, no one would have cared. They just liked those characters and wanted to see them. Yeah, like, if they said it was a spatial vortex conducted by Mephisto and it caused flimflam and then they appear, you're like, yeah, fine. They reflect the stories that people liked the most and didn't, right? Because in no way home, it was the continuation of those characters from the original stories where it's here with like this professor X. It ain't like the professor X from the X-Men films. He's a different guy. You can pretend he is. So it was like... It was just like, oh, it was like Patrick... Did you see the video? Something like on a ramp? It's like skateboarding around the ramp. Yes, yes, it's awesome. It's great. They're all just like awkwardly sitting there watching it do it. That's his intro. But I don't think that's going to last much longer, especially... It's already falling apart. It's done. It's already done. They've wasted all of it already. Thanks, Internet Explorer. Everybody's copying it now. Instead of following up phase three with stories people want to see, we have a movie about a dead lady We have a movie where... Don't lie. Man, just reduction. A dead lady. A purple man. A dead lady. It's funny because the most liked Star Wars content from Disney at this point is probably an ad door. That's a show about a bunch of dead people. It's about... Yeah, it ends with a dead lady talking. I saw... I don't know, man. It's very strange to present like as somebody with any level of investment in Marvel to describe Black Widow as a dead lady. What is that? This feels like a classic cosmonaut reduction, doesn't it? Pretty much, yeah. Cosmonaut reduction. Yeah. If I can demean it by calling it a certain thing, then it's fine. I don't have to be substantive. Who said like... When the prequels were announced and even to this day, who says like the prequels suck because it's about a bunch of dead people? Well, it's just not a good... It's not a good argument. Like there's no reason to be interested in the story because like a character is dead or you know how it ends. It's like, well, depends on what the story is, right? Or what we're going to learn about them. Once again. Like a Black Widow triple story could have been really good. And we got some new insight into that character. But it's shit. Fuck it. As Gary said it again and again. Make it all rated. Go nuts. Have a bit of a risk. Lower budget. Smaller scale. Galjo with Jeremy Renner. Lower scale. I know, right? And yeah. Just do the things. And it could have been a real success. He wouldn't be saying this if it was good. That's the point. Exactly. And he's never... He hasn't talked about that yet. He hasn't talked about the writing or the storytelling of the characters or any of that. We have a movie about a dead lady. We have a movie where Thor kind of fucks around for a few hours. We have a movie that tries to introduce a bunch of characters that have no personality. These are all very strange and different problems. Like we can't have it about a character who's dead, a character that fucks around, or new characters. That's not an eternal's problem. Well, it's just like all three. It's not any of those things. It's really bad. If we had a movie about a superhero who's fucking around for the whole story. Yeah, sure. That could work. I mean, if it was good. Like a character doing good things that were fun to watch. Or if they were like a established character that's gone. It's like getting drunk and just giving up and doesn't feel like the need to save people anymore and hates like the world or something. You know, you can run any story with that, of course. Like why are we shitting on more? A character beats people up for a few hours. That's literally the movie. Pretty, you could actually argue he's fucking around in that whole franchise. But the, uh, the, you know, because isn't that what Hancock is? Like, for the most part. I'm not going to say it's good because I haven't seen it in a million years, but I'm still, yeah, someone just said you're describing Hancock. Yeah. A movie so bad that Marvel's basically pretending it never happened. Gee, that's an... I don't want to do that with the whole phase, I think. Nice, old people saga. But tell me, how does Cersei the Eternal fit into all of this? That movie ends in probably the funniest way with her getting kidnapped by a giant space god. And it's just... That'd be fair. That's not even that funny compared to the shit we get in Phase 4. Yeah, that's not really funny at all. You're a modoc. That's, that's just weird. That's way funny. Thor turned a lot of kids into little thaws that fought people with teddy bears. Yeah, that's, that's the thing that happened to everybody, if you remember. That's so retarded. That not a single character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe has brought up the fact that this... So they have, actually. She-ho brings it up. Whoa. It's subtle, but it is there. I was about to say it, like, he's actually... It's like, oh, that's like a point now. Well, to be fair, Fring, you used the bad world building. When you, uh, you were saying, like, he's kind of stale with a lot of these things. Isn't this one pretty stale, at this point? It is, because it's such an obvious thing to do, a giant celestial poking out of the Indian Ocean, and nobody talks about it. Just goes to show how much people care about the Indian Ocean. Yes, man. It's commentary. Social commentary. We didn't even notice it's been there for years. Like, we just literally never know. When was the last time you guys went to the Indian Ocean? I don't know. So... The Indian Ocean. It was a triangle. It's actually a handle. No. It's a big golden hand. This shit happened. Like, is that just sitting there forever? No one's ever going to talk about it or bring it up? Yeah, no. Actually, yeah, you're right. I don't think... Yeah. That is a... I don't think the problem... I don't think the problem is it... I don't think the problem is it being there. I think the problem is the movie was just bad, and I think the scriptwriter also forgot what he said there. It's a relevant point, right? From a world-building perspective, that's insane. There's a giant cosmic entity poking out of Earth, and nobody seems to mind. The... Like, you know, it's kind of like the blip. It's kind of like the blip. We want to talk about it. It's just not getting addressed. It's getting ignored. Well, let's put it this way. If you were living in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, like, talking about cosmic horror, my God, every other week, there's some crazy shit that's going to, like, destroy the world, and you have no control or power over it, whether it's a giant celestial poking out of Earth, or, like, demons from another dimension, or, like, these rifts that, like, breaks in the fabric of reality between multiverses. Like, how do you... Every year, there's, like, three or four existential threats to the entirety of the cosmos. Every month. Like, we're not going to lie. Imagine that you're, like, working at... Imagine you're working at McDonald's or something, or a Starbucks. And you're just, like, you're just trying to get through school. You have student loans to pay off, and you look over, and there's, like, aliens invading us. Oh, okay. Yeah, there's, like, an alien whale somewhere else deals with firing lasers all over the place. There's just flying people shooting it. You're just, like, Do you want fries with that? Oh, I just... You know, I kind of understand that. There was something that was said earlier, and I've been... The past few minutes, I've been trying to, like, mull it over my heads. I can't quite... I can't quite get it. He mentioned that they're trying to throw shit against the wall and see what sticks. That was maybe two minutes ago or so in the video. It seemed like you guys disagreed with that, but I feel like that's correct, and I can't quite articulate. Well, no. No, I don't think we're disinclined at all. He's incorrect. I don't know if I wear it. It's the problem. I don't see that as the problem. Even if it's definitively happening, the problem is, like, it's a shitty writing execution. Not like... If they gave out a whole bunch of projects and said make some stories to a whole bunch of creators, that process is... I mean, it's one way to go. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it compared to, like, a big plan, but that could still produce some awesome shit. It hasn't. Yeah, I guess you could, like, get five different directors with five different styles and have them make five very different movies and see what's actually good. Well, yeah. It's actually to be fair. Because they're all the same style. They're all just, like, big world-ending events. It's the same thing. In a sense that they have always been doing it, though. Marvel formula. That's what people talk about all the time. Oh, it's the Marvel formula. Or, oh, it's just, like, we call it the sludge, right? Oh, it's just... It's just the different kind of the same sludge, right? Nothing seems experimental. Some start to verge on that. Like, maybe, like, we got that. Like, it was episode five in Moon Knight, which was like, oh, this is like a story with, like, things happening. Okay, every once in a while, you get, like, an episode that's sort of there. Like a story, yeah. But it's all just surrounded by the sludge of what the formula is. This is all a WandaVision algorithmic. Wasn't everyone's take on... Was it called Wandaverse? Or WandaVision? Yeah, WandaVision. Yeah, I can't remember the name of the title. But yeah, wasn't that everyone's take on that? Because it was kind of like a... It was something new. The first, I want to say, two and a half, maybe three episodes were, like, not only acceptable in terms of, like, oh, this is kind of neat, but also, like, oh, man, imagine how good this could be if they managed to nail the middle and end. They did not. Come close. And yeah, what I was going to say is, Phase two and three, I think you could argue that Ant-Man and maybe to a lesser extent, Dr. Strange are kind of, like, throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks in terms of, if Ant-Man failed, they weren't going to make a second one. But if it succeeds, well, we will. And you can argue that attitude is, like, similar to Phase four, where they're like, I don't know, fucking throw out a... Throw out a Captain... Wait, no, Captain Marvel says three. The Marvels will be Phase five. She went at the whole phase and got nothing pretty much. It's crazy. Oh, can you imagine if we had a Marvel entry in this? Just what we'd need. Just what we'd need. A little cherry on top of this. It's Captain Marvel. I think it's because earlier, what they were throwing at the wall was different superheroes. And that was enough because superhero and Marvel itself, the way they're making movies, so people would go, okay, because I did it. I like his powers. He seems like an interesting concept. I'll go see what his movie's about. Right. But eventually, you need more. You have to change the formula of what the actual show is, not just the superpowers involved. But they stay with that because it worked. So they kept on doing it way past where they need to... I think it's right, in a sense, they need to make something bigger. But it's not the stakes of the universe. You have to expand your actual way of making movies in the first place. And evolve that into a genre or something. The seeing what sticks sort of thing, I don't see it as the reason why things are falling apart. I think it's okay as an idea in terms of what character should we pursue, what storyline should we pursue. But if anything, the reason why I'm pushing against it almost in my head is because Phase 4, nothing is stuck and they're continuing. It's like, what are you doing? That's not... It's like it's very fast foodie. It's like if you drink a whole bunch of soda, today it feels really lovely. It's, oh, I love soda. It's yummy, delicious, sugary. I really like it. While I'm thinking about it now, while it's really fresh on my mind, I really enjoy drinking all that soda today. And then tomorrow you're like, I don't really feel all that good. My stomach's a little upset from all that soda. And also when I look back, I mean, I probably shouldn't have done that. And that's kind of what the MCU is. It's not like you look back and say, gosh, that was a meal that I'll remember. You know, I'll really remember that delicious meal that I had. And maybe I didn't appreciate it at the time, but man, it's really sticking with me now that I think back on it. And another way to put what I'm trying to say is if a restaurant put out five meals and one through three are really popular, four and five aren't. So they kind of retire four and five and try something else and keep one, two, three. That's how it felt they were doing it in Phase 1, 2, 3. Like put stuff out if it works, keep putting it out if it doesn't. We'll paper it back a little bit. But Phase 4 feels like they put out one, two, three, four, five. And maybe three had a lot of people ordering it and saying it was okay, but the rest of them are hated. And then they're like, hmm, tomorrow try one, two, three, four, five. Like, but you already need to do something else maybe. This might be relevant for us later, but a friend, a buddy, a pal in the discord, a chum, an acquaintance, an audience member, a fan has compiled a list of Cosmonauts rankings for every Phase 4 project. So maybe when it is appropriate for us to bring this up and reference it, we can go down this list here. I thought his Falcon Winter Soldier ranking was higher than five, but I don't know if Loki's 8.5. Oh, Jesus. Joey, go down the list. Why not? Yeah. I think we should. Well, I suppose everyone keep this in mind as we continue with Cosmonaut's video here of the current state of the MCU. Here are his rankings. I just want to note, the reason why this is interesting is because he's doing an overview of the state of the quality, but this is what he said about the quality of these things individually. All right. So we start off with Black Widow, 5 out of 10. Very generous. Very generous, but I guess by his standards, that's quite bad, but whatever. Wandavision is a 7 out of 10. Falcon and the Winter Soldier is a 5 out of 10. Actually surprised me, but I guess I'll probably be surprised by a lot of these. I don't think he has any sort of system other than what his whims feel at the moment. What if was a 6 out of 10? Loki was an 8.5 out of 10. Very high. And that's like a- If anyone doesn't know, Loki was the moment Eva pretty much decided the MCU died. Yes. That was the first episode pretty much. I think it was like 10 minutes. I think it was about 10 minutes. Pretty much. So it was like, yeah, all right, we're done. That was a 1 out of 10. I think we gave Loki. I think- Was that our first 1 out of 10 for the MCU? I think it was. I want to say so, yeah, yeah. It's one of our first ones out of 10. We don't have many. But gosh, are all of our 1 out of 10s in the MCU? They might be. Do you have any 1 out of 10s that are not in the MCU? I'm trying to think- I know the MCU has by only 0.5 out of 10, so. Cumber in which DC film could have been a 1, but I don't even think like- Nothing gets that low, right? They have some redeeming qualities, surely. Anyway, we have Shang-Chi, 7 out of 10. Moon Knight, which gets a 6.5 out of 10. That's kind of surprising, honestly. I would have thought we'd give it more, but yeah. I thought he'd give it more. Episode 5 alone is like, interesting. We have Doctor Strange 2, 7.5 out of 10. Now, if it was really awkward to do your video on the current state of the MCU, talking about all of its problems, when multiverse of madness in a lot of ways is like a great representation of everything that went wrong in this phase. It's like one of his highest rated. Yeah, at the time, you thought 7.5? That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's not even just good, and that's pretty good. By most metrics. Let's see, Moon Knight was a 6.5. I'm tallying these up right now as we go to get an average. Doctor Strange 2 is a 7.5. We did that. Next, No Way Home. He didn't give one. That's weird. Why not? But that's like the highest one, surely. I would have thought he would not only give that the highest score, but also cover it. My guess is that what he said is like, I can't give it a number because, I don't know, there's no way that I'm going to win him. That's my guess. That'd be my guess. Okay. All right, anyway. It just ruins his grading system for every other Marvel movie. That's why he doesn't want to grade it. He'd have to give it a 10 compared to the other rating. He'd have to. Yeah. There'd be nowhere else to go. You'd think. I mean, it would logically follow that if he gives, you know, like Loki an 8.5. Jesus. All right. Next, Eternals. He gave that a 4 out of 10. I find that one interesting because it's like, I'm not sure what it is that would make somebody look at the Eternals and go, that's bad, but then look at a bunch of the other ones and go, oh, that's good. Well, not to mention too, the way he spoke about Eternals as a summary in this, like he's got nothing but, you know, shit to throw at it. And yet he gave it a 4. It's like, all right. Wow. He also gives Thor 5.5. It's higher than Eternals. What the fuck? Thor of the Dark War or Thor of Love and Thunder is 5.5 out of 10. Wait, yeah. That means he thinks the Thor 4 is better than Black Widow and Falcon the Winter Soldier. And Eternals. And Eternals, yeah. But if you'd gone from this video, you'd thought that he'd think Love and Thunder was one of the worst ones. Yeah. Maybe he's still dead. I don't fucking know. But the thing is as well, he described them all as mid, like combined. So you would expect 2s and 3s and 7s and 8s. We'll see if the numbers mirror that out. We'll see if the numbers mirror that out. This is the IGN rating. Well, you could already tell the average is going to be something like 7. We'll see. We'll see. 6.5 maybe. Werewolf by Night is an 8 out of 10. I didn't watch this. I don't know anything about it. I've been told to see that. We need to check it out maybe. It's only an hour, I think. I'll watch World by Night. It's better than fucking She-Hulk. What? Insanity. Let's see. Miss Marvel, he gave a 6 out of 10. I haven't seen it, so. I don't know anything about it. She-Hulk, he gave a 7 out of 10 to She-Hulk. She-Hulk is a 7 out of 10. I'm very confused at this point because this is about how the absolute is falling apart. And yet, 7 out of 10 for She-Hulk? Okay. I'd say 7 is a good movie. Surely. 7 is a good movie. Surely 7 is. That's recommendable. 7 is a good movie. Oh, yeah. I'd recommend a 7 easily. Yeah. Let's see. Black Panther 2, he gave an 8 out of 10. Geez. 8. That's very high. 8 out of 10 for Black Panther 2. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. Like, nothing worked in that movie. And then Hawkeye, he gave a 5. All right, so what's that average? He gave a 5 out of 10. So, let's see. I've got that. So, we can judge everything else by Black Widow and Hawkeye? Is that mid? They're by average. Divide it by 15. So, the average is 6.4, not counting no way home. So, we have an average of 6.4. That's like, that's pretty high. That's pretty decent. Meanwhile, our average, I think, would equal out to being like 1.5 to 2. Probably be, yeah, like, 2-ish around 2. The only one that rose above a 3 was no way home. And that was like a 5, really. Yeah, it's amazing. Because I think this video is just incongruent with that, instead of scores. Something went wrong along the way. Again, it's just weird that you can now look back and go, ah, yeah, the MCU's big problems when you gave several projects there that are really emblematic of what went wrong, the highest score. Remember what he said? Because this really does make sense. He was like, you need to interconnect it. You need to make sure it has stakes that are bigger than Endgame. That's why Black Panther 2 is the best one. Well, and that's why She-Hulk as well is one of the best ones. Yeah, because both of those projects set up Thanos. Sorry, Kang. Yeah, what does Werewolf by Night have to do with Kang? Isn't that like a one-off sort of side project? That's why this is fascinating. His three top scorers have nothing to do with Kang. And they are all stakes that are lower than Endgame. But the problem is we need to get bigger, and we have to have everything connect to Kang. I mean, he doesn't agree with himself. Well, yeah, that's him. That's Cosmodal. She-Hulk, which was probably one of the lowest. And well, the problem is it depends on how seriously you want to take all the shit that happened in that show. Well, look at these scores, right? I mean, he describes the whole series as mid, but there's only one that goes below a five. There's only one bad one. There's only, only Eternals is bad. Everything is either, everything else is either average to good. Oh, sorry. Fascinating. It just reminded me, technically, She-Hulk has the biggest stakes of all the MCU stories. Oh, yeah, technically. Oh, we've got the Fox Bowl, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She does break into the fucking real world and toy with the stakes at a whim. She was coming up to Ross. Yeah. You know, in a, in a meta sense, it's one of the lowest stakes ones. In a meta sense. No, yeah, depending on how you look at it, it's the lowest and highest. Yeah. But do you think it's because, like, he gets carried away in sort of a hype wave. So what he really enjoys is something new coming out, getting excited for it. It comes out, then he's experienced the thing, really enjoys it at the time, so it gives it a high score. And then over time, it's when he looks back and it sort of, the hype's worn away and you become more analytical. And so it's great. He's gone through the same, well, I think what's happened is he's gone through the same arc as a lot of viewers, but this is like his job. Like he's a movie reviewer. So there's almost like an expectation that he would be more on the ball when it comes to figuring out what's going on. He's just gone through the same arc as a lot of, like, Marvel fans have gone through. Like, oh, shit, that wasn't very good. When I look back on it, it's like, yeah. But at the time, it's like you get caught up in the hype cycle, like you said. Yeah. Because I've done that with video games and stuff. So I know how it's easily done. You get really excited for it. It's like, yeah, this is a meta, and then about a weekend, you're like, hang on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, let's carry on, I suppose. I even roll it back on. Uh, look about it or bring it up. And you know, I kind of understand the problem to a certain degree. How do you follow up the biggest blockbuster of all time? Well, you got bigger, like you said. How can you make this point after saying, like, you've got to go bigger? Why would you do this and then do this, like a film about a dead person, you fools? Also, yeah, it's not hard to go bigger stakes in Endgame. They did three times, possibly more. Yeah. Well, superhero line, original superhero lineup is unavailable. We got two dead people, Joe Biden, and a couple of guys who don't seem like they really want to be in these movies anymore. But because the project's a shit, that's why Chris Hemsworth doesn't want to do Thor. It's like, he's playing a clown character now. I'm pretty sure he said, like, the only way he's coming back is if they change the approach instead of it being the way that it is. But I think that the focus has been a little too much on world building and not as much on character building. How can we say that it's focused on world building when he's said the problem is that they don't connect enough? Isn't like world building going to be mainly that, maintaining continuity from how that we know the world to be and moving it forward? Not necessarily all of it, but focusing on world building is the problem? Really? Well, it's just, you know, the world building has been so fucking good. That's right. What is? Yeah, I mean, in Black Panther there is eight and that doesn't have Kang, the taint of Kang in it. And one division is a seven. That's, I don't, that has, that just defeats the purpose of his world building argument, isn't it? Was the world building in Black Panther II really, really good, I guess? Because of the... No. No. We invented a new undersea kingdom. Yeah, that's good world building, I think. We reached this around. It's good world building when there's more things in the world, right? It's weird to have like images of what if when you're talking about the world building when what if is like alternate universes? And it's mostly character based. As I understand it, yeah. Maybe he's saying this got it right, that it was more about the characters than that? Oh, it got it right, even though it got a six out of 10, less than She-Hulk and Multiverse and Madness and... Well, the world building in Multiverse and Madness was fantastic, really. And that was really character focused, that film. Yes, I learned a lot about Doctor Strange. Every character that's featured in one of the shows has the same exact character arc. Almost all of them. Am I to believe that Miss Marvel goes on the same character arc as Moon Knight? A man who has split personalities, I don't think so. Or similarly that like I can't believe Sam Wilson went on the same arc as Wanda. Yeah, because I'm actually, I almost feel like defending the MCU on this one is like they're not doing the same story with all these characters, that's not what's happening. Yeah, it's just that all the stories are shit. That's the connection, yeah. Yeah, exactly. But has Ian talked about the qualities of anything yet? No, but let's see what he says to justify it because I'm very curious how they are the same. The shows has the same exact character arc. Almost all of them have been about the main character accepting who they are and then getting their costume. You mean like the rest of the fucking movies? I mean, Werewolf by Night doesn't have that fucking problem also and he gave that an 8. But can you argue that he's gone so broad? It's like Iron Man 1, it's about a man accepting who he is. But he didn't accept who he was, he changed who he was. Exactly, he changed. Well, but this is why I'm saying it's so broad that you could be like by the end he accepted who he truly is, Rags. No, yeah, there you go. Oh yeah, whatever. That's what I mean, like saying the stories are all about people accepting who they are is so, first of all, that's not a problem. Like that. But secondly, like what? It all depends on how you tell the story and how you execute it. And every fucking story so far that I've watched from Marvel right now is bad, well, except for Werewolf by Night. I just see that. Well, even the shows about the established characters have this same formula. Why is it our Captain America's fortress of solitude? What? And why is that bad? Why would that be bad? Why we say- Because it relates to, everyone knows who they are and that's not big enough, goddammit. It's too small. It's too small. Characters have the same formula. This is how Captain America accepts his role as a superhero and gets his costume. This is how She-Hulk accepts her role as a superhero and gets her costume. You're not a superhero. Why is this bad? I don't understand why you can't say that about the phase one, all of them. Well, I'm almost feeling compelled to like actually, because there's nuance to this, like when it comes to Stan Wilson that he was doing the steel man in favor of the show, like that his concern was he didn't feel like he could live up to the mantle both from the perspective of his interpersonal relationship with Steve, but also the world's expectations of Captain America couched in the context of a post-Blip World as opposed to what was going on with She-Hulk, which was not that, whereas like much more about whether or not she wanted to do something that she thought was going to disrupt the lifestyle that she wanted to cultivate for herself. Who's gonna argue? She-Hulk is like the same, pretty much the same story as Moon Knight, which is pretty much the same story as Hawkeye. I had an ass just, that's really stupid thing to say. That's why his scores are so... And then if someone said, yeah, I agree and it's just as bad as phase one and two, you know, Ant-Man, he's just learning to become a hero and accept who he is as a hero, Thor is accepting what he is, who he is as a hero it is, and Iron Man is accepting that he's gonna become a hero too. It's like, it's all the same. I'd be like, what? No. You know, it kind of sounds like he just does something against origin stories, which, fair enough, there's a lot of them, and sometimes it gets to be a bit too much, but it's very surface level. They were all good. You know. Well, yeah, that's the thing, is this, why can't they be good? What's, are you saying that doing an origin story, doing a story where someone learns to be... You're gonna have one of them? These are all different people. One story was not about accepting herself, was accepting reality. Refusing to accept reality. Changing reality to fit her. Yeah. The idea that you could look like Wanda's arcing her. Yeah, it's the same as she hoax. Like, holy shit. If he wanted to make this point, the better, I mean, it's not Marvel, but the better thing he could do was to point out that we've now seen Batman's origin story, what, four or five times on the big screen in the past decade? Might be a bit too much. What would that have to do with this, though? And that's the thing. Exactly. It's not Marvel, but yeah. It's not even relevant enough in the, he's talking about different characters' origins. That would be the same characters, same origin several times, which I can understand the argument for much more than I can. I don't want to see another character origin. You're like, okay. I mean, I can see it from a point of view that, and to be fair, it was Spider-Man that did it for me. Seeing Spider-Man's three origin stories of the same character, I'm like, I fed up. Yeah, no, I get you. I'd rather just skip that to the interesting bits from now on. I understand that argument completely, but when it's different, the idea is like, I don't want to see Daredevil's origin, because I've already seen Iron Man and Thor's. For me, it depends how original they are. Like, you pop Blue Beetle coming out. It's a guy who finds something, he gets a new suit, and has to learn powers. I've seen that. If it's original and new enough, then yes, I agree. Yeah, well, because that's the thing. I'm almost defending Phase Four as being like, they're not all the same. They're just really bad. Gets her costume. This is how Wanda does domestic terrorism, and gets her costume. And I gave them- Why do you give WandaVision? He gave her 7 out of 10. Oh my god. It's that costumanaut reduction shit again. Well, no, it's just kind of funny. It's like, damn, that doesn't sound like you thought that was like a 7 out of 10 show. Yeah. No, not at all. But also, he probably got to the list and was like, I've got to get WandaVision in here. I can't possibly fucking argue that this is- And it's like, well, what are you going to say? And it's like, she got a costume. You know, that's like the rest of them. Yeah, that's about right. I think you're giving him too much credit. I think he just wrote it off the cuff and what he felt at the moment. For this rent and for all his rents. Do you think he actually thought that they're all really similar? And when he got to WandaVision, he was like, yeah, it's so similar. Like how she gets her costume is much like the rest of them. Yeah, he coped the logic in his head. Most of these shows acceptable scores, but almost an- Oh, a bonus, bonus, bonus guest who- Hello. We haven't seen you in a while, buddy. How you doing? Hi. How's everybody doing? I'm good. Talking about marvel of all things. Can you believe it? Why would you talk about that? God. This is cool. It's super here. He decided foolishly that this would be our job. This would be your thing. And now here you are years later and it's still your thing. I know. It's like it's not going away for some reason. It's not going away. It's just still here. I thought they would just stop making movies, but they really haven't. And yet here we are almost tired later. But yeah, if you want to jump in with us, we're just kind of listening to someone's perspective on this whole thing. And so far it's been- Would you call it insightful, everyone? I don't know. It's incredible. It's unsightful. Unsightful, boy. It's unsightful. I'm excited. I haven't done this in a while. I'm ready. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm ready to hear some really good arguments. The funny thing is this is the less painful side of all this because once we're done with him, we're going over to someone else who- He's killed guests before. The next person's coming. Friend of the channel. Friend of the channel. Good friend of the channel. Friend of the show. Good friend of the show. Whoever could it be. I guess we'll find out. All righty. Roll him back a little bit. Parion. Now you're a pussy. I gave most of these shows acceptable scores, but almost none of them have left a lasting impression on me. Oh, and you should have thought of that. The relevant question there, it's like, so what does that prompted in you in terms of like a reflection? What use is your fucking bit of it? Like I said, you're creating candy and you never realized- What are the lessons you've learned? What are the lessons you've learned that you're going to take forward in your future analysis of like Marvel films of, it's kind of weird. Like I gave all of them pretty decent scores, but like I don't really like any of them much, or at least I haven't left a lasting impact. Yeah, there's no retrospective going on here about like, wow, like most of them- Maybe there will be rex. Like we're good. Oh, that's true, that's true. Maybe it's coming off. Maybe we've jumped the gun here. You have to grade his scores like a car. The moment he says them, they've already devalued about 50%. Once this video drives off the lot, it's like 40% less than what it was five minutes ago. Yeah, I was going to say like, he control ate all his reviews and deleted it. It feels like with that statement. Yellow, but the- Am I echoing? I think that was me. I think that was me. Oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry. I'm keeping my own levels as well. Chat, let me know if anyone's too loud or too quiet. I'll keep moving them around. It's all good. These are all the same show except for Loki and- I don't, what? All the same show except for Loki. No, how is one division and fucking Falcon and the Winter Soldier the same? How? Or is he going to say that one division wasn't the same as these? Is that what he was about to say? He likes it. Well, no, you just said Loki wasn't the same. Oh, yeah. Loki's just nice, isn't he? Oh, hang on. I'll roll him back in. But almost none of them have left a lasting impression on me. These are all the same show except for Loki and WandaVision, which are my- But that's, we've already, that's a lot of them. There's not that many shows. So we're saying Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter Soldier and She-Hulk are the same. And even then, it's like, I think these suck, but I don't think they're the same show. They've got a lot of same, like, broad beats, but damn. Falcon and the Winter Soldier, he gave a five, but She-Hulk, he gave a seven, but they're the same. Yeah, does he think that She-Hulk? She-Hulk, he can't believe, like, has the same broad structure as, like, the six episode ones. That's what I mean. How could you watch Falcon and the Winter Soldier and be like, man, this is just like She-Hulk? And the thing is, something that I'm finding annoying is, like, there is something to expound upon when it comes to, like, the similarity. Because there's, like, you know, first episode, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth. You can see, like, a lot of similar beats that are getting here, right? Like, by episode six, they get their costume, gets teased, usually, in the episode before they got their big final battle. The penultimate episode is usually some big revelation-laden episode, whether it's, like, flashbacks or, like, you know, some crazy, like, mines sequence. Like, yeah, something like that. Usually, like, the fourth episode ends with some, like, low point, like, the second act, low point. Like, there's a lot of, like, similar beats that you can point out. But, like, it would be more useful to point out those similarities and the problems there if you weren't just saying that they would, like, the same show broadly. Well, she already meant to be a comedy. Moon Knight. It wasn't funny, but... How is Moon Knight the same as Falcon with the Soldier the same as She-Hulk? What the fuck? I don't even like these shows. Yeah. They don't smell the same. No. He and WandaVision, which are my favorites. They're very fun and creative. And honestly, the ones he liked are totally different. I like these two. They're totally different, unique, wonderful diamonds in the rough, but everything else. I'll give it to a... Loki was pretty creative in how it fucking annihilated the MCU, so... I would never have guessed. Yeah, I would. I couldn't have ever come up with that. My heart and brain wouldn't have allowed me. Going where no writers have gone before. Yeah. If I had to pick one thing from Phase Four, I think Loki overall stands as the best project. Wait, but... Oh yeah, I guess it is according to his writings, yeah. 8.5 he gave Loki. I can't believe that. Goddamn. That's a one. It literally... He gave it a one. It ruins everything. Michael Waldron's output is among the high-rated stuff, but he... I want to remind everyone that when Mr. Waldron was writing it, he wanted to get good guy Loki. The problem is he'd snatched most evil Loki from Avengers. He was like, hmm, how do I do that? Well, I'll have evil Loki watch all of good guy Loki's history in the form of a literal fucking video, like the MCU. He just watches it, and that fast-forwards him to being good guy Loki. Well, it wasn't just that. I mean, essentially, this guy's given him a point for every time he got kicked in the balls, so every one of those was a teaching moment. I see. So you got that, plus him watching the MCU. That's called character growth. That'll work. It, of course, wouldn't have actually resulted in him becoming incredibly angry that he would ever have been so weak. That wouldn't have been a Loki reaction, of course. He would have instead been crying while watching it. That's the Loki from Avengers. That's the guy I remember. It makes total sense. He's just one reel away from crying. Then you have Girl Loki, who taught herself magic at the age of six and beat the TVA somehow. Remember that shit? Yep. She just gets away. She's on the run forever. That's not even to mention all the crazy nonsense with how the TVA and the timelines work, and then, of course, what they did with the Infinity Stones. It's like, oh, what a disaster of a TV show. And they're making a second season. I mean, they'll never know what you sacrificed for them. That was the best line up. The thing that I think is legitimately good, and I've grown to appreciate more as time goes on. So weird how he says this one's legitimately good, and it's like, are you saying that the other ones you said were good aren't legitimately good? They're not, yeah. I might have rated them highly, but I was very wrong. Yeah, he gave WandaVision a seven, which he liked, and he's screaming over, and he gave Shang-Chi the same grade. And She-Hulk. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, She-Hulk and Dr. Strange. Dr. Strange is better in his weird grading system. You have to understand, he was talking just about the TV shows right now for some reason. Yeah, but oh, okay. Is it all recency bias then, right? Well, Loki's not even all this, and I love that. Not recent. And then Loki's the only one. No, but Loki's the only thing he's saying. He's saying, Loki's the only thing that isn't that. So is all of his stuff just recency bias? Well, the most recent one is Werewolf by Night, and that's an eighth in his grade, and that's a TV show also. Right, but will he hate that one in a few years, because it's not as good as Loki? That's what Maura out is saying, right, is that like Wakanda Forever, right? That was one of the most recent ones, and that got super high-riding. I think there is no sense to be made, because Black Widow got a five on its release. But I'm trying. But I'm trying. It wasn't Thor after She-Hulk? By like a month or so? I think it's just retarded. And I've grown to appreciate more as time goes on, because this is what I want more of. Flesh out a character. Please no more of Loki, please. This is fleshing out a character, and it's definitely not destroying basically the entirety of all the stings and everything that came before it. Remember, this is the show that took free will away from everybody in the MCU. And that was before She-Hulk took it away from him again. And this was before She-Hulk did it even more. That we actually care about. Give us creative concepts. Introduce new characters that are really likeable. There's your advice, MC Riahs. Introduce new characters that are likeable. There you go. Sol. Something they struggle with. As though their intention this whole time was to introduce characters everyone hates. This might work. That does a lot about the writers though. If these are the people they like. And you're like, wow. What are your friends like? What does it say about Kozolot's view of the writers if his advice to them is like, make likeable characters? Okay. Write stories that are good. Write fun creative stories. There's one on one stuff, man. To write a book. This is some top notch advice. All of that in a way that matters in the overarching plot that you're trying to establish. I never thought in a million years that the Loki spin-off show would be one of my favorite MCU entries, but... Or to die. I thought it had some potential. I never expected it to be what it was. The point where I would have enjoyed more if they made less movies and less shows and just worked extra hard on the ones that they put out. What you're trying to say is, if they were better, I'd like them more. That's what he just said. I'm not, he's acting as if if you cut some of these off, the others would magically improve. Yeah, well, they won't. They're such a massive company. It's not the same people working on all of these things. So the writers, if one aren't, suddenly going to improve if you just fire them. They're like the other one. Yes, but if they were better, if they were better, they would be more liked. Don't you agree with that? We're going to get more talented because there's less people in the company than before. They aren't working on Black Widow anymore. Therefore, Shang-Chi will now be better. You're like, what? Talent is zero, some across the universe. As long as some people aren't using it, other people in narrative. Because not only has the storytelling taken. For the record, I completely agree they should be taking more time on their projects, but what he seems to be highlighted is like balked in terms of like, it automatically becomes better if they simply didn't have more projects. All of them could have been good if they all had more time. Because not only has the storytelling taken a hit, but the movies and shows just look worse now too. They've been working their artists to the bone to meet the insane- He's going to show the story clip. I think this is the volume, more than anything else. Well, it's a bad integration of it, right? A bad use of it. Like, no special effect is just automatically looking amazing. You have to like, you know, use it like a tool. I'm sure there's some stuff you can automate and there'll be more things to automate as you go on that won't be noticed. But they seem to think volume can just be relied upon like that when it still needs to be integrated probably. What I mean is if they were on a green screen and you put that same graphic on a green screen, I think the green screen would look better. I think there's something about the volume that doesn't look realistic. Like, I don't know, whether it's depth of field or something, there's something off that your brain rejects. I think the problem is you look at like Mandalorian season one that use the volume. It's like, damn, that's like a good looking show. We're all sad though. Not all of it. We are mocking most of Mandalorian 7. And I'm pretty sure they use it in season two and season two was all right as well in terms of like a look. And I'm not sure if this is like green screen or volume. It is always going to be like down to the tool around at the end of the day. Yeah, well, I don't think they use it at all, sorry. Like, Mandalorian season three is distinctly uglier than the first two. And it's like, so what happened if they're using the same tools? It's like, well, it's likely they got rushed. That's the assumption. They didn't get enough time to integrate. And I actually agree with the argument here, right? Which is that they do look worse. Yeah, I agree. But I don't think that if they suddenly had more time or more staff or whatever to work on VFX that somehow the writing would get better, which is what he's connected here. And I think that's not correct at all. I assume he's just doing a sidebar for the effects in general. This is a very common tool can point at this point. Yep. Deadlines and it shows in the final product. Every aspect of these projects feels rushed. The storytelling is aimless and only works to set up individual sequels. The character development is in service of eventually shoving these characters. Wait, do you think this about all the ones, including the ones you gave 8.5? Individuals, I thought they weren't enough. So he thinks that Loki is doing a real good job of setting up everything, I guess. Like with Kang, he must think that, yeah. It only works to set up individual sequels. The character development is in service of eventually shoving these characters onto the same team in the future. I thought the problem was that the stories were too isolated. Yeah, what he just said applies to phase one. It's like all those movies did was set up the characters to join a team at the end of it. Yeah? Please make up your mind. Is that bad? Like, I don't understand anymore. Visuals are dooky because we got to pump out seven projects. That looks awful. He really does. It's been a year. I thought this was a joke movie, a first show. It was a TV show, that one. Maybe that's why it looks that way. I thought it was an absolute movie. I really did. When it first showed, we showed the scene where the rock is hitting everybody in the first episode, I thought it was absolutely just made up. It's so bad-looking. They released it on April 1st. Everyone's like, whoa. I just like, they looked at this scene. So they have a back door that they can leave out of. They looked at this scene and everyone hates it. They looked at the scene and said, well, she can carry the next Captain Marvel movie. Yep. Hell yeah. It's been a year. I said back when Endgame came out that I wouldn't have been upset if the MCU took a break for a while, and I think most people would have been fine with that too. I did. It took a whole... It was gone. Like, there were no MCU films for nearly two years. Well, it's not long enough. They should be taking a break forever. Got the exact opposite. It is definitely a case of quantity over quality. And luckily- But you've given several quality ratings. Yeah. Oh my God. Oh my God. I don't understand. Guys, this is just reinforcing my take that his takes are retarded, so... Just don't... The nice thing about watching one of Cosmos' videos is that even though I'm coming in halfway through, I know he's just going to repeat everything for the next several minutes, so I'm still going to get the full experience. I think Marvel knows that now. The lukewarm overall reception of Phase 4 has definitely caught their eye. They recently stated that they're going to be pushing back a lot of the shows and movies that were planned for... You know what caught their eye? It was the fucking box office dub, but that's what caught their eye. Yeah. That's what's happening here. Yeah. This year. It's no surprise that... Wait, wait, I have a question, guys. Do you know the numbers of Disney Plus people? Have people unsubscribed from Disney Plus? Like all of their numbers? No, like... What we do know, though, is that they rushed Season 2 of Loki and they've not said much of anything about the continuation of any of the other shows. So it's like, oh, so the rest of them did shit. Loki did well. I'm pretty sure we don't know Disney Plus subscribers. I'm sure they lost 2 million in one quarter at one point. They lost a lot, yeah. And they've lost a lot of employees. They've lost a lot of money. Mm-hmm. Yikes. Oh, yeah. They lost 2.4 million subscribers in one quarter when they planned to lay up to 7,000 employees. That's all. Holy shit. That is a lot, yeah. Dude, you know what I want to see? I'll wait for February 16th of 2024 to see Untitled Movie. That's going to be so fucking cool. And ironically, if it's like a meta thing, it was called Untitled Movie. So looking at those, though, are any of them even remotely exciting? Like, I'm kind of interested in Blade, but I think maybe that's just like a fondness for Wesley Snipes. Right? I guess that it is. Yeah, the 2000 movie, yeah. Yeah. Like being completely honest is Guardians. I don't even think Daredevil would pull me back in because I don't believe in that project. Me either. It's Guardians and that's it. So I might be a boomer here, I guess, but maybe. You recall like Netflix of, let's say, 10 years ago or 15 years ago, where there wasn't this need to constantly push new shows to the front page all the time. And they're just like, hey, remember all the shows that you watched from like the 1950s till now? Well, they're all in one place. That was a winning formula. Well, that was a nice moment of history. It was brief. The thing is, though, if Netflix didn't start doing original shows, they probably wouldn't be around anymore. Like they need those original shows because they don't have a monopoly on the library of third-party streaming content anymore. Yeah, they lost a bunch of IPs, right? Because then the people that were renting them out were like, we got our own fucking streaming services to do. So they actually, like making a bunch of their own original stuff was probably the right call. Yeah, Stranger Things was a miracle forum. It was the right call in the short term. I do think so, but now look at it where... Well, I guess, maybe, maybe. It's just the way I'm looking at it is like, there's a lot of these streaming services that are just, they're kind of floundering right now. They're losing a lot of money. And they're saying, oh, we got to make content to put it on the streaming server. Someone will actually sign up for this. And that just means that they're just pumping shit and no one's subscribing to 18 different streaming services. It really just seems like the better option for everyone to remain at least, so that everyone gets some money rather than everyone losing a bunch of money is yet you have Netflix and everyone licenses their shows to Netflix. They want to be Netflix. Disney wants their own proprietary... Yeah, they want their own streaming service to make a bunch of money. Oh, I know that. But I think it's just a bad idea. It's going to blow up in their faces. I mean, that's probably where you're going to end up, eventually, that they are going to have to merge at some point. It's just going to... But then budgets will decline and everything. You'll end up with Netflix, overall. Rise of Netflix and then copycats and then people who are trying to actually give a Disney and Amazon and stuff pushing real hard to get there successful and all these different IPs being split all over the place. Loads of original shows being poured out and all of them. Eventually, the battle will be over. Sure. That's just a question of whether or not Netflix is willing to pay more than the number of subscribers that you could potentially get. Disney, on the other hand, has quite a reach. There's a reason why they're willing to keep doing this, right? Like, this isn't a standpoint. It makes sense. Yes. Yeah, like Disney and Amazon could both lose money for a while and just keep trying to make it work. Well, they see long-term growth. It's complicated because I'm pretty sure Netflix spends a lot of money on original programming. A huge amount. A huge amount, billions. An insane amount of money, but I'm also pretty sure that Disney is losing billions of dollars on Disney Plus. And they bought a whole major studio for $70 billion. I don't know if they got an infinite amount of money that they can just spend forever. But it seems pretty close to infinite. If any company is going to be close to infinite money, are we sure about that when it comes to Disney at the moment? They'll have being counters that can see the bleed and they can tell Disney when this will become a problem and that's already a problem. You know what I mean? I mean, they've had to lay off thousands of employees. Yeah, if they say like, we'll go bankrupt if we continue this in 2028 or something, then they'd be like, fuck, we're in trouble. Like, we need to do something now. We need to change the whole thing now. Yeah, Disney's being supported by the parks, Amazon's being supported by the deliveries. They're all trying to spin the books in one way or another to see more successful than they are. Well, that's another thing that I've heard recently is that they're probably going to be stopping Twitch Prime soon, right? Because it's just a fucking money sink. People have said that for a few years. Well, I've heard it from a couple of people more recently and more aggressively. I'm curious if it means anything. But with regards to Twitch, they did just have the CEO leave and all of a sudden, instantly, everything started to have new policies. So I would take anything that was more than a month old. To be maybe bad news at this point. Because as soon as the CEO left, everything seems to have changed. They introduced a whole bunch of stuff that he said they would never do. I mean, even the ad CPMs went up significantly from their $3 CPM. Yeah. Yeah. Twitch is a weird situation because you could take away Twitch Prime subs, but then Twitch is dead. That's the only reason people still use that site. Yeah, well, Twitch is dying. The other issue they had was that there used to be some kind of aspirational thing that Smallestream has had, that if you reached a certain point, you've got a higher subscriber split. And now it's just 50%. Yeah, that's gone. Doesn't matter how big you are. Yeah. That was the big first step. That's got a lot of big people off. Yeah. Yeah, as soon as they were like, no, you're not getting your 70, 80%. Oh, I'm going to get 50% like I'm nothing. It's not so many people I know That's a big jump for somebody, too. have moved from Twitch to YouTube or to the kick and rumble or two of the new ones. But there's also people who get forced to move from Twitch. Like, Twitch, you need to really roll down on the amount of people you're pushing off the platform right now. You need to not be doing that. You can't afford to do that. Yeah. I'm sorry. We also saw them no longer doing the talent acquisition stuff because for a few years there, we saw them paying huge bucks to people to keep them on the platform and then they just stopped doing that and all of those people immediately left. Yep. Yep. I knew somebody who worked at Twitch maybe nine years ago or so. He worked there for a few years and he moved on and I heard a bunch of stories from him. And some of it was that like they used to, oh God, there was a Ninja Turtles game that a Ninja Turtles, sorry, movie that came out like 10 years ago or so. I forget exactly when. But Twitch was paying streamers like $1,000, $2,000 just to do a stream of Turtles related content because they were paid by the movie studio. That shit doesn't happen anymore. There's no more brand deals on Twitch. That's coming back, actually. Is it coming back now? Okay. Yeah, they had the bounty boards and they're now expanding the bounty board. It's weird because there was a big uproar about it as if you're stealing my money. It's like, no, they're now, they want to act more like an agency where they go out and get sponsors and then expand it so that they sort of get the terms for a load of streamers and you just sign up and do the stream and they deal with the agency and take a cut. Okay, well, it's good that I was going back because the rest of the streamers have made some pretty good money off that. Also, I know this isn't a politically fat, but there is a political component to it where the insides of Twitch are definitely leaning in one direction politically and they have no problem being biased in how they ban people. And for a while, I guess you can do that and maintain the health of your platform because if you have your finger on the ban button, you're good. But eventually you get to a tipping point where you've banned so many people and even people who aren't political extremists, just people you don't like, when you get to that point, the health of your platform starts to rapidly decline. At least as soon as the audience feels that it is that way. Yeah, well, it'll come down fast. If you're getting rid of people for political reasons and nobody notices, but as soon as that becomes the connotation amongst the audience, once we look at that and we go, oh, it's a political website. It's not even that. They're going way too censorship heavy for anything. They've started banning emotes with just like an L because somebody could use your remote to go into another stream and say L and that might offend people. And so they've just banned all those emotes in every channel. And then you've got their incredibly lax and downright retarded things on copyright where they're letting streamers just stream TV shows. That's like a bomb way to go off. Yeah, you think that's actually something that'll kill you. I mean, what else are you supposed to do? You're hungry, man. That's true. He's living with some people that they just live paycheck to paycheck, you know, like, I was watching the chud logic stream the other day and I was so proud of him. He was like, I need to go have some food and he put on one of his own videos. I was like, ah, you did it. You've done it. You've beaten the algorithm. He didn't have to put on someone else's. Yeah, like I do that too. I have a set up where whenever I go on break, it just plays like, like best of clips of stuff that I've done. So it's not stealing somebody else's stuff. Yeah, that's all you have to do. You didn't even die. Still alive. Any day now, you know, I guess when it comes to Twitch, it's just that, you know, I don't know if you guys recall, you know, the whole D live thing. PewDiePie went over to D live for a year and it was a big deal. Then D live kind of died. Yeah, I do remember. There really wasn't and no one, no one over at Twitch took that seriously because they just thought, oh, we're the Kings and then D live died. So they're like, yes, we are the Kings. And I think there's actually a lot of false confidence at Twitch right now because Rumble is actually growing unlike D live and kick is actually growing unlike D live. And I think I think the success of those platforms are going to basically like blindside them. Well, they care less about kick because kick is Twitch. It's using the Twitch service to just provide essentially a clone using the same service, AWS. That money, apart from what I've heard, goes to Twitch itself because it's IWS. So it doesn't go to Amazon. So it's essentially subsidizing Twitch at the moment. So I'm not sure they'd even mind. But if every viewer went across, they'd just be raking in fees. So I'm not sure if that's the case because from what I understand, Trainwrex, well, I don't think he did this knowingly, but somebody on Trainwrex team made kick out of that Twitch leak from a couple of years ago. Do you recall that? That like a bunch of their $30,000? No, that usually is IWS. Yeah, Twitch offers a service which basically lets you use Twitch code and Twitch servers and it's AWS. It's essentially the same platform. Because when Amazon bought Twitch, they bought it for this. They bought it for the backend, like the structure of the servers and everything, which then they used into the platforms. But this was always been a service they provide. And you could spin up your own Twitch now using that service. That's why you look for it. I haven't heard that before. I mean, it's possible. I don't know. I mean, it sounds actually something that Amazon would do. What I heard is that there was that leak of Twitch's backend from like 2011 that came out a couple of years ago and that basically they took that and then built a Twitch clone. That's the story I heard. But who knows? Well, wait, wait, wait. I think, I think we've seen. Sorry, sorry about that. That mixer right proved that it doesn't matter how much money you have to throw at this though. Right? Like there's more. Oh yeah, because Mixa died. He died. Even had in, you know, Microsoft money. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like Mixer because it gave Ninja a vacation from Twitch. He convinced him to go away. Yeah, he just gave him money. Then he comes back to Twitch, like even richer. So 30 million dollars richer. I'd do that too. Yeah, that is fucking crazy. He got that back and I can't believe there are videos like has Ninja fallen off? No, he won. Well, he won. He doesn't care. Yeah, he's got 30 million dollars in the bank. He doesn't need to stay in it. He won the game of playing games and making money. Yeah, what do you mean he fell off? Where he fucking he's just like a golden mansion. Like he fell off. It's like a nice face guy who sold my space for a million dollars. Yeah, yeah. And he just threw his gun. And she scratched it. Now he would be like. Yeah. She scratched him with men of golden. So you know. I know the mind, the mind's the my space guy like boats around the world and like. Prolls, Mark Zuckerberg is like, yeah, you won, but look what I'm doing. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it was not even cute, but there's no joy there. Yeah. It's like you definitely won. I could see your face and your meta stuff. Mark Zuckerberg is genuine. It feels like at this point, Mark Zuckerberg feels like there he has brain problems because he keeps pushing BR tech. When I think it's chat AI thing that's going to take over, not a headset that you have to put on to do stuff. You do IRL already. So it's it feels stupid. Very is right now. Well, we'll see how it will shake out, but he obviously thinks that that is the future and that he's hacking shit, turns into it. Yeah. It's really the future though. Like I think 50 years from now, not yes, not tomorrow future. Out of a man, I think we're like five years away from robot girlfriends. Oh, hell yeah. I mean. Robot sells rice up. That was the whole strategy. It was cyber cells. Finally, the strategy was always fine. Something that's expensive to do now that you think will be popular in 10 years, but will also be cheaper. And so you get all the market share and then you become profitable in 10 years. That's his aim. This is hope. Yeah, let's hope so. We'll see. Anyway, I think. Oh, I was going to keep going in the tangent video. That was a fun tangent though. Go ahead. What do you want to say? Okay, okay. So I think what ultimately killed D-Live and killed Mixer is the fact that they spent their money on one big name. I'm sure. I agree. They paid PewDiePie. No, I super agree. 100%. They paid all that money for Ninja. I got it. And they paid all that money for PewDiePie when they could have got 10,000 mid-level guys for the same price. And it would have been a livable wage for them too. We're talking mid, like mid-mid or cause. Yeah. Well, when you say mid, who? Maybe. Well, like guys who have like maybe like 50 to 500 viewers. So like guys who could take off, but they haven't yet, they're not just streaming to nobody. You get guys like that, pay them all, you know, maybe like $100,000 to stream on their platform for a year. They can now live comfortably for one year. And now you have like an entire booming middle class of creators on your platform. Rather than just one streamer, so you have like PewDiePie or you have Ninja, everyone watches them. When they're done their stream, everyone leaves. They leave. Yeah, we saw that. We saw that, right? Like they did not keep the viewership. People would come and they'd watch Ninja Stream and then immediately leave and there was no follow on. Because no one's like, wow, I wonder who else is on this crazy fucking platform. Oh, yeah, that's right. No one. Back to Jewish. You know, I mean, imagine if they gave you guys, you know, 120 grand to go stream for a year on there. That, you know, not a small amount of money that could convince you to leave YouTube, potentially for a competing platform. And if you had done that, right, you would have brought maybe viewers who would want to see other things. And we didn't see that at all. So yeah, I 100% agree. You're just right on the nail, man. Right on the nail. Yeah, I think Kick and Rumble are learning that lesson because they are going to mid-level people and offering them like smaller contracts. So hopefully we'll actually get some competition. You need that and you need the destruction of the platforms that are currently, you need to offer better things and you need Twitch to be bleeding at the time to really help take over. People need to be like disenfranchised almost. I think that's been a permanent state of Twitch though. Yeah, Twitch's reputation is really bad. People used to shit on YouTube and Twitch, but yeah, people used to shit on to YouTube and Twitch. But at this point, people are like, well, I mean, YouTube isn't anyone near as fucking annoying as Twitch. So it's got a lot better. Well, the interesting thing, if you talk to Twitch streamers specifically, they look at YouTube streaming as if it's some abhorrent thing, chat's awful, everything about it's terrible. And it's like, have you actually watched any YouTube streams? Because you're not describing the reality that I see, but they have that image in the mind of, maybe it's what YouTube used to be a few years ago. I'm telling you, I can't undervalue all the abilities to draw back the stream a little bit or to wherever you want and then go to live again. Like that shit's great. Yeah, I can't imagine. I catch streams after they start sometimes. I'm like, oh, I want to watch it from the beginning. I don't mind if I'm off sync fighting. Throw it back times two and eventually catch up. Yeah, that's why I was quite interested by the Adam and Stitches rule, if they don't watch videos on times two, because there'll be people who are times twoing them in the future and that'll make the video times four, which will be almost impossible to hear. I'll watch everything on YouTube at times two. I know they're some smart people. Yeah, so do I. So do I. I think I said on Adam and Stitch one, is that I can watch times three, but only if I hyper focus on it. But at times two, I think we're planned for this year. It's no surprise that all the shows that nobody cared about have been postponed to further notice, which I am so thankful for, because I really could not muster up any excitement for the Echo spinoff show. And the thing is, I complain so much. Yeah, I agree. But lights. Yeah. Yeah. Much. I wonder why would you say that. After that last 10, 15 minutes of things to talk about, you know, oh, yeah, we're probably good. Here we go. And the thing is, I complain so much because I like the MCU. I get that with each passing year that is becoming an increasingly unpopular statement. Why though? You know, why is that happening? It's just funny because I already know you like it. That's why it's hard for you to make this video because you're like, everyone hates it and it's bad. Hmm. You spent the last seven minutes saying it's bad. I know. He's got the brainwims where it's like, but I enjoy the colors and the flying and the people doing the things. I loved Loki, but it is bad. And you're like, wait, you got some square in a way to do this. He's read his comment section and thinks, maybe I should throw some red meat out there. Yeah. I think it's fine to enjoy these movies and enjoy other movies as well. What a controversial statement. I think it's fine to enjoy these movies. It's calmed down, dude. Biting commentary. That's what is happening. This is like, oh my God. Maybe I could watch two movies a year. Yeah, like, slow down. There are times in which you can attach moral weight to consuming or not consuming a product based on other real-life things happening. This is not one of those times. No, this is not. The MCU. I just find that statement. You can like this in other films. You wouldn't say that just in a vacuum. You wouldn't just say that. Please. You wouldn't just say that. Only watch John Wick franchises from now until the end of the decade. It reminds me of... Okay, I don't even know how old this meme is, but you have the right to enjoy The Last Jedi. It's built into the constant fucking tuition, okay? Weird statement. But I think it's fine to enjoy these movies and enjoy other movies as well. But as such, I kind of know so. Not only one too. Wow. Even the second time through. Yeah, I think this is the part of the video where he's like... I chat on everything you love, audience, but it's okay. You can like it. Well, but he shouts everything he likes. I'm talking with the audience, like... Yeah, you're right. You find people with like massive fans of Harry Potter. He's like, please read another book. He's like, just... I want to talk about something else that isn't Marvel. Please go and watch another movie. So he shat on it, and then he's swimming in it, basically. He shat the smooth before he got my career. Please watch something else. Movies as well. But as such, I kind of also want the movies to be better. Too many people are like, oh, well, they're just Marvel movies. They don't need to be amazing. What does that mean, better? Well, I am confident that he has said something similar to that before. Oh, what, that they're Marvel movies that don't need to be like some great thing? Well, basically, they're Marvel movies for everything that could be implied from that in terms of like, oh, well, I mean, yeah, maybe they're not like high art or whatever, but shut up. Kind of a cosmonal law. Like, if every makes a single statement, he's contradicted it before, 100%. I mean, like, even when you talk about fast food, you could still go, well, yeah, but it could be better. Of course. Even if you like. The reason I don't go to fast food is because it's shit. If it was good, I might actually go there. I might give them my money in exchange for delicious food. If it was the regret. Yeah, also, he's just repeating himself. This is what he did the last time I was on. I broke my brain last time I was here. He's trying to get to 10 minutes. Leave him alone. It's only 10 minutes. He only needs to get to eight. So really, there's like three minutes of content in this video. Yes, every time. That's very generous of you, Rick. And he's just going to say A and then B and then B and then C and then he's going to repeat it. And then he's going to contradict it. They don't need to be amazing. And I'm like, well, why not? Why can't they be amazing? I've seen superhero movies that are amazing. Movies that were labored over with love and care by everybody involved. Like Loki. I could find out if that's Loki. Like Wakanda Forever. Wakanda Forever too. Don't see how many times you got kicked on the bulls. It was amazing. Why can't we get that with the MCU? They're the most popular movies that exist right now. Well, not anymore. Not anymore. It's what he says right now when this was made, like, I guess on the release of Ant-Man. It's like, have you been paying attention to the box office lately? It's not. I can't they also be great. And like the other day on Twitter, I saw that somebody posted that one scene from the first Captain America movie, the ending scene that I praised a million times in the past. Like if you asked me, I'd probably say that that movie overall is mid two. But I really like that one scene. Not so it's all. So the phase four is equivalent to Captain America? Really? Yeah, like are we actually... Captain America one is like a nice solid story. Like a good little hero's journey going on there. A central arc. Kind of like a thematic undertone. Plot stuff is kind of silly. But like this film is way better than anything that's been in phase four. I guess what I'm trying to say is if someone wants to call this movie mid, it's like, sure, I'll allow it. But like, you know, where's phase four sitting? You go, it's also mid. Yeah, like that's the thing. In a better landscape, Captain America one is mid, but not like right now. Take a million of these over anything in phase four. I love Captain America's character journey. It's great. Yeah. And this ending scene is even enjoyable, right? Like it helps. I think it's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's a good scene. It's a good scene. But I really like that one scene. I like more than that one scene. There's a lot of really good scenes. I like us going speech. I like the test scene where he jumps on the grenade. Come on. Of course, I could do this all day. Flashback with Peggy before he goes under the ice. Yeah, that's really good. Yeah. I like Tommy Lee Jones of that movie. He's fun. Yes, he is. It encapsulates the heart of that film really well in just a little moment. And it reminded me that we don't really get moments like that anymore. Moments like that capture. Because they're badly written. Oh, my God. Is this what I mean? It's like, why do they always avoid saying that? Yeah, I never do. They're really badly written. They're inconsistent. They establish a whole bunch of shit that sits in opposition to everything they've said before. It's very simple. Even when I like one of the new movies or shows, they never have a moment or a scene. Even when I like, look at these scores. That's normally, you normally like them. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. One of these is under five. Also, guys, he said that Captain Marvel, Captain America was mid. And then he had a moment that shows it. And then he tells us that the face war is mid. But he doesn't have a moment that makes him go, oh, look at that. That's kind of a good encapsulation. That's essentially what he's trying to say right now, is that it's the same quality, but they don't have any great moments. Man, it feels like they're not the same quality. It's like he's like almost at the edge of enlightenment, but he doesn't want to jump. It feels like that. You watch a video like this, and you sort of wonder like, what is the central point you were trying to make in a video like this? I don't know that he could even tell you what it is, because it's just jumping all over the place, contradicting himself constantly. You know what I just realized? He sat down, got his Microsoft Word document, just started writing his stream of consciousness, and then recorded it. Is this your first time with the Cosmo? Well, no, I know, but it's just a reminder. It's a variety of views. Dude, I remember when we'd pointed out a whole bunch of contradictions in like one video, and this one was like, well, yeah, it's the variety hour. The idea is that you get lots of different opinions. No! That's the idea of a variety of hours that he makes a whole bunch of things. But yeah, I just realized, right? If we'd be in generous in saying mid is five, but let's say mid is between four and six even, right? That's like where you randomly just say, you know, that's mid. That means she hulks from him as a seven out of 10 that he does definitively believe she hulks better than Captain America. I mean, he would have to, right? Because seven out of 10 ain't mid. Seven out of 10 is like good. Amazing. Unless he is using the IGN scale or seven out of 10. The IGN scale. Right, yeah. It's true. It's true. They're average. I did the math. They're average is 7.5, right? So like that's the average thing they do. And like 60% of their stuff is over a six. 60% of it is six to nine. So like, yeah, 7.5. IGN's media stuff is like particularly fascinating. Like the high scores that they get to like Mando season three episodes. Yeah. Like, I can't remember which one, but I know that they gave at least one episode a 10. A 10. Perfect. Well, not perfect, but masterpiece at the very least. Wow. Have a moment or a scene or a line that sticks with me. They just lack that iconic quality of the movie. Why'd you give them like seven, sixes, and eights? I guess that's the difference between a seven and a nine or something. It's really awkward because you know, I watched for the first time, No Country for Old Men a couple of days ago. And it's like, it's already a bunch of lines that even though I've only, you know, watched that film like a few days ago. It's like, yep, I know they're going to be memorable. I know I'm going to remember that scene. It's like, you can tell when something's going to be memorable because like the impact that it makes at the moment that you watch it, like, why wasn't there anything that clicked of like, am I actually going to remember anything that I've seen here? Like, is there anything that I could really pinpoint is like the emotional core of the story that's going to, you know, that means something to me personally that will carry through forever or, you know, for a long time? I don't know, where's the reflection? It's so weird that like, his point is basically just like, there's nothing memorable in these films, but they're pretty good. Damn. It's weird. I feel like someone's good. Well, yeah, exactly. Whatever I said back then, it's right. Also this. Also variety hour. It's like the Hitler variety hour. No, the Jews are okay, I suppose, you know. It's a variety hour. The heart. I think the heart is something that we've taken for granted. And even when the new movies are pretty good, it feels like they're worth it. You said lots of them are pretty good. He is also just rephrasing what he said. Yes, he is. Like a memorable moment encapsulated. Now it's the heart. Yeah, you're right. Someone's so frustrating about him, man. It feels like. What am I supposed to do with this? It's impossible to rewatch. If you guys have ever tried to watch No Way Home on your own, on your TV, you'll realize that that movie is only meant to be watched in a packed theater. And that's nice. No, when you're on a movie. Surely I would absolutely rather watch No Way Home before like 80% of the other MCU stuff. Yeah, but I prefer movies at home. It's like, I actually, I think things are taken away The theater can be annoying. Like there's always somebody grazing next to you with a rattly bag that just distracts me. It's on a way smaller screen. And like not not physically, obviously, but in relation to me, everything for my seat. I find it a way, like I can focus a lot more. I can kiss and I won't miss anything. I could, oh, I get a number two. Oh my God, I can pause it. You can pause it. You can pause it. I can poop for however long I desire. No stress whatsoever. You can rewind things. That's a huge thing. I can rewind things. Did he really just say that? My guess is, did he really just say it? So my guess is what he's going to be saying is, look at all of the scenes like in the film that are clearly meant to be, you know, for an audience to like be like, woo, yay, look at that, yeah, the character, woo, yeah. But the problem is it's like, those are small parts of the film. Like those are specific scenes. There's a lot of other like scenes in this film. Do you think though that's a cultural difference as well between like the UK and America? America's a lot more like cheering and movies. And you don't really get that in the UK as much. I'm curious to go through his example because I got a couple of ideas about this one. Watched in a packed theater. And that's nice when you're in a packed theater, when you're at home alone watching it, it feels really weird. There are these big pauses where you're supposed to get up and cheer and fucking scream. You can do that at a phone, bro. Okay, that's it. Right, so here's the thing. This is in all superhero movies. There's always gaps when things happen. Like I'm already thinking about Iron Man, right? When he first lands in, when he's first doing his shit, you know, and he like funks into the floor, slowly looks up, stands up. It's like, yeah, why isn't he immediately doing all kinds of things? It's like, well, because we're, we're letting that moment breathe for a second. That is Iron Man. A banjo. He's just a wreck. Wait till Cosmo learns about Lord of Rings. If someone said to me, like, yeah, that's bad. He should be like, well, you can make arguments. You can always make arguments in universe. The reason he's taking a second is because he just thunked into the floor and he needs to look around and think, you know, you can do that. With this scene, for example, they're expecting Tom Holland, Peter Parker, not this fucking guy. So him going, you know, taking his thing off and being like, what world am I fucking in? I don't mind at all that there's a few seconds for everybody to just look at him and be like, what the hell? And you're like, it doubles up as a chance for audiences to go, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and you don't have to miss dialogue. Like that's fine. That's fine. Someone does that and I'm called the penis. Not how your people say hello. It's just something that he's going to carry through to others. Like, what was the moment in Eternals that was meant to be like everybody cheering? What was the moment in that film, like Shang-Chi, that was meant to be like the big cheer moment? Yeah, when Marvel's Katie killed the dragon. Yeah. Now it just feels stunted and awkward. They're shocked. No. What he's doing here, he's taken the big bang theory argument as if you remove the lap track. It's not interesting anymore. It doesn't work in this sense. Once again, by the way, this isn't even something he came up with. You see this on Twitter several times. People posted this scene and been like, it looks real bad when you don't have an audience cheering. I've never understood it. This is the shocking moment for all three of these characters. If they built in the audience cheering into the movie, you could be like, okay, they're trying to prompt a thing, but they're not. There's a little the odd sign that says applause now. In the subtitles, yeah. Maybe he's audience applause. To give him some level of credit here, maybe he's just associating his experience in the theater and saying, this isn't as powerful without the audience. That should act. That can accent an experience. Not the experience shouldn't really. I'm not saying he's right. I'm responding to. I'm responding to the character that you're playing, which is there is. I'm trying to come up with something. We like the Cosmariati variety. Cosmariati, I'd watch that rather than this guy. Man, this is a problem with a lot of these movies. Marvel wants to recapture moments like this. You know, they could do that with really good writing. Oh, no, I would do that with setups and payoffs. But why isn't that that any of that? Is that one bad because there's space and time for everyone to cheer? Also, I think that's why he did not include Spider-Man in his review, because that would. It's part of the phase that he says it's boring and people don't clap. I would imagine people were clapping and hollering when Black Panther came out. He just doesn't have a clip for it. And he's just going to go, and, yep, these movies don't have those moments. I don't think this is what I mean. It's so incoherent. He's basically said part of what's a detriment to these films is that they'll have scenes that when you don't have an audience surrounding you, are, like, awkward in the future. The films lose their power on rewatch. And they're like, okay, but what about the ones that don't have that? And what about the ones that maintain their power both in the cinema and at home? And he's like, mm-hmm. And I don't think that's true also. I think the powerful moments in the cinema, you can still have that at home. Just if you want to stand up for it, you're kind of cringe, but... You're a ogre. Yeah! Yeah! I think if a moment needs other people around you to hype you up, then it's not a real moment. Like, you're getting the hype for the people, not the movie. Like, it's not that impactful. I'm, you know, I'm very critical of Endgame, but this moment when Cap finally is worthy enough to pick up the hammer and actually, like, fuck with Thanos for a bit, it's like, that's pretty great. But of course it's also going to be a moment where everyone goes nuts. And Andrew Garfield arriving in the MCU is the exact same thing. It's going to be a huge moment for the audience, but it's also just a pretty big thing that's happening in the universe right now. I can give an example. That's pretty good at the sound time. So he's going to be like, am I supposed to clap now? He needs the audience near him to let him know. So I can give an example of where the audience in all of these films, you know, or I guess in the one film, went crazy. All the audiences went crazy. And it was not, I don't think, built in to be a silent clapping moment. And that would be the Hulk smash part, you know, the puny God. Everybody in the theaters went crazy for that. And I don't think it was built in as a quiet moment of just clap, please. I'll give it to you because I actually think, don't know if it's true, but I think I didn't know he said puny God in my first run through in that movie because everyone's cheering and laughing and stuff. But this is a moment that was earned after years and years of buildup. How do you do that? Tell me more about it. Let's explore this concept. So you can't do it in a single movie. You can't have a moment that's built from just a single movie that does this. Yeah, I was going to say that. Two hours. We can't do it in that time. And do it in two hours. There are no, like, think of all the setups and payoffs and like, oh, it's like, well, the movie, well, fuck, the movie that we just watched, Mauler and Fringy, the movie that we just watched the other night, tons of setups and payoffs. So many. Oh, we'll get back to this. Well, like, I don't even need the, you know, you don't even need specific films. Storytelling. Yeah, I don't know. It's so alien to me. This whole, like, this one worked because it was built up over many movies and years. Like, well, I mean, it's just built up. It's like Alice in Borderlands has a different game almost every episode. And it only spends, like, maybe half the episode on it. And you care about every single new character and they're all new in most of the games. So imagine someone said, like, you know, the Borromea seamery saves Marion Pippin and dies for them. Like, that may have actually had some impact if maybe that was the third movie. Like, what? I think it's typical. Like, the things are so shallow that they put in these things that it takes so long to actually get to something like a normal person's depth before you actually care about them. Very strange. And these all, it really feels like he's just scattershot throwing in ideas that may or may not work and hoping for the best. You can't recapture that magic whenever you want. You can, if you... If you're good at it, you can. Oh my God, my head hurts. It's 5 a.m. in my country and this guy is just... And you haven't even gotten to movie Bob yet. Oh my God. This is the first hurdle. This is like super retarded arguments. And it's like, he's on the edge. Maybe it's because the writing is bad, guys. No, he's just... And it's so stupid. The movie, she says, has some fucking moments where there are people in America that will clap and get... The Black Panties and whatever. Oh my God. Black panties. You said the Black Panties. The Black Panties. Yeah, because she's a girl. That's why it's Black Panties. I'm just being respectful of the gender. Of course. And you should, that's important. To earn it. And I'm hoping that with the poor reception of Ant-Man, they realize that they really need to get their shit together. How do you do that? Because eventually... Tell us. Tell us. Well, he's giving us all the clues on how. You gotta build it up. You gotta build up Kang. You gotta be bigger than Endgame. You gotta focus on characters. Write good. Write good. Be fun. Write good. Be fun. Oh, characters that are likeable. Maybe these people like. Oh yeah, characters people like. Really, he's given them all the keys to the kingdom at this point. Work hard. Oh, yeah. VFX, be good. Yeah. Oh, my God. He's repeating himself also to everyone. Yeah. He's like, oh, shut up. I'm too trash. I'm not guaranteed to be in the seat anymore. And honestly, I don't really... That's where that was going. Fatigue is kicking in. I think that's something people like to say, but I don't really believe in myself. What is it? What is it? Doesn't believe in himself. What is it? Let's see. Say it. Say it. Say it. Say it. Bad writing fatigue. More respect for the audience. People still love superheroes, but when the market is flooded with superhero content, people are going to be more selective of what they go to see in the theater. Well, no, it's all good. If it was all good. Why is he always on the verge of getting the point, which is the shitty films? It's not fatigue. It's just fatigue. Come on. Basically saying it without saying it. It's not fatigue, but it's fatigue. Yeah. It's just like he threw the puzzle pieces on the floor and then he goes, audience, figure out what I'm trying to say. If you think I was correct, I was. So. Games three has a solid chance of being a good movie. James Gunn. Why made a bad superhero movie? Yeah, I really like because James Gunn hasn't made a bad superhero movie. There you go. Say it. Say it, Howard. Say it. That's not even an argument. No, I'm driving down the road. And there's a lot of houses. There's one. If that movie is good, I think it will remind people what a legitimately good Marvel movie feels like. What about Black Panther 2? I felt low key. I thought low key. It was an 8 out of 10. All right. Oh, my God. That was a good one. Why? It was a 7.5. That's pretty good. I mean, why didn't that remind people of what good superhero? You know what? We called him good. He didn't call him legitimately good. Oh, yeah, true. What's the difference between good and legitimately good? Only Cosmo knows. He's not going to tell you. If only we could know. What a great. It's like you're playing an FPS. Equal X would use one HP. And then like, no, they're actually one HP. Yeah, yeah. Act legitimately. Really. It sucks. Yeah. I think that that's going to kind of kill the MCU for a lot of people. And if the new thing. What a hot take. If the Guardians movie is good, people will see what it's like to watch a good movie. And if it's bad, it might put people off the MCU. I'm glad we have this fucking pioneer here. He's managed to crack the code. It's amazing. Fantastic Four movie is bad. I will rip my own head off. Well, let's hope. Just do it. Oh, it's over. It's over. You did it. You completed chapter one. What a great story, Mark. I was like, just did it. It's just unreal. Like how rambly that shit is. And useless. What useless advice? He ends up saying nothing. Like you go through the whole thing and you figure out exactly what. The 4k likes. Oh, my God. Yeah. So the thing about the thing about a cosmic videos is like anybody who actually watches and enjoys them, as soon as they're done, be like, what did he say? They'll be like, uh, that was my first exposure to this guy. And I was listening. I didn't get anything. Empty calories. And they're all like this. I promise you. I've reached out to you. You go through it and you're like, I don't understand what you said. He's like, he's like Mark Brown, right? Like he doesn't say anything. Marcus Brown. I haven't seen Marcus in ages. Oh, Mark Brown. I just have more credit than that. No, at least he does. No, I was better production. Mark Brown. Like he doesn't have way better production. Okay, sure. But he still says nothing. Oh, yeah. I was you. Well, he says things that you already know. Do I? Yeah. Jumping. I actually, yeah, that's a good point whereas like, you know, cosmonaut is just like, that was just, you were constantly contradicting yourself. At least Mark Brown's like, you know, just explains what a metroidvania is. It's like, all right, that's the video. You can't contradict him. Yeah, he's like a fucking bad girl. I like it. It's like factual, even if it is information that you'd presume that you would know at that point. But I accept that. He's better than in Cosmo. It's just kind of unreal. I don't know why you would like how you could watch that, walk away and be like, I learned something today. I think I figured it out, guys. I found the formula because he says like, vague components of ideas people have in their head and how many people like this. The 54K people that pressed like went, oh, cosmonaut said something, I think. Oh, he's right on the money. Oh, I'm gonna press the like button. It was pretty fast paced with that Marvel vs Capcom 2 music getting you a pretty upbeat. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I generally think there's a lot of people in the general audience who will listen to someone say, Black Widow. Yeah. Okay. You know, Loki really good. Shang-Chi good. She helped good Black Panther 2 really good. But he's full bad. Yeah. And you'd be like, did you not? You agree with that? Yeah. And I guess that's, you know, how evergreen is this kind of like, who in like even a month is going to say, man, I, that was loud. Man, I really want to watch the, you know, Cosmonaut video on the current state of Marvel phase four. I'm going to go rewatch that. Who's going to do that? No, he's just throwing stuff out there. I mean, his videos are as disposable as like the movies. Yeah. He was like the fast food of video essays. Yeah. Well, I actually think that it's alphabet soup, right? So like you look into it and maybe you make your own words and you figure out your own things there, but there's no actual, you know, content inside of it is just a bunch of scrambled up letters. And that's very much what Cosmo is to me. Yeah. I wonder if he'd take it as a culp of it. Maybe he would. He'd be like, yeah. A lot of people can take a lot from my content. I agree. And you're like, uh, yeah. I mean, you can absolutely, right? You can see all the different letters in there. And you can be like, oh, if I look at it this way, it says this word. And, you know, yeah, it does for you in that way. You know, about Mark Brown, when the Mario movie came out, I saw a couple of people in Discord talking about it. And someone said, the big fuck up in the film, and they put it in the spoilers tag. And I was like, I'm curious. What is it? What did they fuck up? And he said, they didn't tell us a secret of Mario's jump. And I was like, yeah. Good references. Anyway, is everyone ready for movie bot to answer the question that was almost. I was going to have a segway. Moeller, there was a perfect segway. Like speaking of Mario jumps, you know, who's the biggest Mario fan? He really is. He dressed up. I thought you were going to say, speaking of Mario's jump, you know who can't jump. I thought you were going to go that way. That works also. Yeah. Is this a bad time to jump to the base of the apartment where he lives? Is it a bad time to say what or not? He's going to reference the other floors, right? This will be a good change of pace because it's like the opposite. Well, well, it's a change of pace because I really like long sentences. I love long sentences. Yeah. I'm just curious who is the first to say, can we please go back to Cosmo? I wonder. Okay, so I think this is the video that you invited me for, Moeller, because I'm like a trove of movie Bob Lore. I used to, I don't know if you guys know, but I used to do a segment on my channel called Bob Review, where we would just go over the latest terrible movie Bob takes, because all he does. Why did he stop? Yeah. All he does is do bad things. He's still going to. Listen, as somebody who knows bad Twitter takes, all right, an expert on them right now. You are an expert on them. Yeah. All movie Bob does is bad takes. Every take is bad. Every single one. I have his book. You guys know he wrote a book? Yeah, he wrote a book. Yeah. I have a copy of it. He's a true fan. He wrote the book. Yes. And there's a famous quote in there. What's it about? The book is like it's like a it's a combination discussion of the game design of Super Mario Brothers 3 on the NES combined with a movie Bob coming of age story where he finally moved out of his parents' house at 29 years old. Oh, hard. So that's the story combined with Super Mario Brothers 3, like an analysis of Super Mario Brothers 3. Yes. He goes back and forth between like analyzing the level design and the worlds and the enemies and then also talking about like his personal trauma. His personal journey was similar to that. Now he's affecting that. This is brutal. That's the problem, man. Trump stole his Halloween. That's not fascinating. That's not fascinating, actually. Trump stole his Halloween and right-wingers stole his ability to go to the moon. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. On the moon base by now, damn it. He blocked me because I was talking shit about him. Like he said something about a, well, you shouldn't shoot pedophiles or some shit. Like something he was very semi-pro pedophile. So movie Bob is all, you're all for eugenics. Oh, yeah. He's very full of that. Destroying the worst of humanity, except pedophiles. And then he blocked me. Dude, I'm pretty sure he was like very pro cuties, I think. So I remember that. He was like, how could you say that this wasn't, you know, art or some bullshit? I remember it. Oh, my God. So anyway, we're off today to see some new movie Bob take. Also, hi, Jay. I didn't even hear you for the past two hours. You said, gay? That's what I heard. Hi, gay. We are welcome to the street today. Gay? Gay long bone, yes. Okay, before we start, before we start, all right. I found the book off my bookshelf. I flipped open a random page. Okay. Let's hear it. Oh boy. And I am on, this is the beginning of his analysis of world eight, the dark land. Okay. I won't read the whole thing. I'll just read a little bit. So here's how his analysis of the dark land and Mario Brothers three starts. The past couple of weeks have been rough, equal parts trying and semi and semi exhilarating. It's looking very much like I'm going to come out on top regarding that apartment. On the other hand, things are deteriorating for my grandmother. She's been back in and out of doctor's care and now requires a rotating schedule of family members to keep an eye on her overnight. The failing health has taken most of her hearing. The inevitable. And what comes with it is likely not far off. This is bizarre. What I needed was a diary, not a publisher. Yeah. That is. This is a bar. Pretty good book. That's just thrown into there, huh? Okay. Yeah. And he says, it will be taxing. I know this. And it dawns on me now that though it wasn't my intent, if this apartment deal actually goes through, I'll be moving on at the precise moment when a family member should, when family members should be pulling closer together. There's nothing I can do about that, but it feels unfortunately fitting that fate would make a callus-seeming man of me in this moment. As ever, Super Mario Brothers 3 is- No, no, no. No, no. Super Mario Brothers 3. So he could just not, he could also just not move yet. How is that? Like, it's so stupid. Geez. I'm not even interested in my own rent negotiations. Let alone everybody else's. Why? Do you think this will make for a thrilling read? Just posing like interpersonal problems with- Oh my God. The level design of Super Mario Brothers 3. Yeah, it feels like that's- Oh my God. It's because he calls this level the point of no return. The last world, the final conflict. And he- Can't he really mean Mario or moving home? Oh my God. He means both. He means both. Oh, that. This feels like- The piranha plant that is my grandmother's cancer. This feels like the room where the mom says I got the test results back. It's cancer. And then they talk about something else and the cancer is never brought up again. Oh my God. Oh, the room. The room, yeah. It feels no return. It feels so weird, Bob. Yeah. The grandma. So you play Super Mario Brothers 3? Oh, it feels like- Oh my God. Movie Bob is so smart. What he's saying is stupid. Like, you have to be that intelligent to write something that dumb. It feels like that. So, the book is full of many incredible quotes, but the most famous one is when he described the console wars of the early 90s as his own personal Vietnam. Because he was constantly getting into like- Oh my God. The way. I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't believe you. He actually said that, yes. Motherboard you. You're speaking Japanese. I'm sorry. Where's the lie? That's just- The playground fights where he got beat up for liking Nintendo instead of Sega, whereas it was his own personal Vietnam. He's still not over it. My own Vietnam. He didn't actually, though, right? Like, this is just a big joke. You're memeing me. I was down the street holding this game for like a hundred years. Wait, is this like a pre-gamergate-gamergate? Like, he was there before the trench. For the console wars. Blood was spilled. Oh my God. So, I have to do a video on this book someday, because it's truly an incredible read. Please do. There's so much nonsense. There's so much nonsense. I don't want to pay for it. Right, like, I don't want to- Oh, well, you can't actually get it anymore. Like, this is now rare in this book. Oh my God, it's a collective item. Yes. So, I could buy a museum. It should be- It belongs in a museum. It sounds like he just needs to re-edit. It sounds like he just needs to re-edit. The bottom of a very deep pit, but really. So do you, Bob. Just re-edit it without all the Mario bits, so you keep the good stuff. That's what it is. I just want to learn about his personal tragedies growing up. I want to do the most personal- Like, I know this video game shit. I want to hear Bob reminisce about his suffering. I want to see what made him into Magneto. Oh, Diabeto. It's the origin story of Diabeto. Of course. Deb, is this video game analysis any good, though? Um, it's okay. No, it's okay. I'll actually talk about the games. I'll actually talk about the games. When he's talking about game design, he knows about basic game design, it seems. What makes him a level good or bad in Mario? He's good at his life, too. He's okay at. No, that'd be like- No, go ahead. Go ahead. No, you go ahead. The thought's still forming. It's still in its embryonic phase. The most point you found right there. I have- I- This book is incredible, but I can't find the actual page where he says it was my personal Vietnam, but he did say that it's his personal Vietnam. And as I said, I used to do Bob review with all of his really bad takes. I don't know how much time you want to spend on this one. How many bad takes do you want to see? We've got plenty to see in the video. I have so many of them. Sprinkle them in, Deb. Sprinkle them in. Sprinkle them in. Find the best ones, filter them through, and sprinkle them in. Like a little hook. I'll give you this one for now. Sure. I'll give you this one for now, just because this is the overarching TLDR thesis of his philosophy. So just look at this. Just read that sentence. The world is just full of people who shouldn't be. Yeah. Yeah, that's who he is. Daniel. Dude, I'm sorry, but the quote's weak. The quote tweet's even funnier. Crawling in my skin. These words they will. Yeah, this probably should be on record that we did a quote thing. Well, we had quotes from Hitler and movie Bob, and we had to guess which was which, and we didn't score that well. I couldn't do it. It was quite good. We got loads of them wrong. And just to be clear, this wasn't like, I shall now go to the bathroom. Who said it, Hitler? I guess it's a bit of a toss-up. Yeah, it wasn't that. But no, these were like, oh, wow. We fucking labeled over them. It would be like, you know, this group of people needs to be expunged in order for the right world to exist. And we were like, well, that's got to be Hitler, right? Like, it's got to be. And then the quiz was like, no, that was movie Bob. Wait, so you did an Adolf versus Roberto, and you lost that? I don't think we, what was our score, Chad? Do you remember? I forget. I don't think we did particularly well. Because if it turns out, I don't know how to phrase this, which direction I want to go with it. But it turns out, movie Bob's kind of a really bad person. Yes. I've been slowly gathering that over time. Oh, you want to know a fun fact, guys? You want to know a fun fact? Adolf Hitler was born a couple of days ago on April 20, 1889, which was his birthday. He's so young. That was like so young. It's because he doesn't actually have the power to do anything. People say we go somewhere in the 60 percent. So this is where we were around there. It really gives you a new perspective on blaze it. Oh, shoutouts. Yeah, but 60 percent, which way? Oh, correct. Oh, my God, even 60 percent correct. I mean, either way, it's shit. Yeah, it's pretty bad. If you're only getting 60 percent correct, between Hitler and just really anyone else. I mean, it's pretty bad. It's what we call a bad look. Yeah, it's like every other tweet is an Adolf tweet. Well, hey, if you follow movie Bob, you get all kinds of insights about how we should deal with modern problems. All right, that's somehow he's still on Twitter. Go into this day. I don't even know if he's ever had a tempan, even for the stuff that he says. Oh, my God. Okay, anyway, so now it's just funny that we go all that history when like we're about to listen to him talk about some bobble movies. Okay, so I dug up his worst takes. I can give you in like 30 seconds. All right. Okay. So these just in case someone clips this, these aren't my takes. Okay, Jesus Christ. Dev is really happy that he's having this book. Just say movie Bob says before he draws. Movie Bob says there are days when my fondest wish is that eugenics hadn't been tainted as a science by races and Nazis. That's a bit of an oof right there. Morality is what turned eugenics destructive though. Too much mythology about, too much mythology about culture. Okay. Eugenics would probably make a popular comeback if it was renamed to shorten your commutism. Wow. Now, there are times when I really hate that Jim Crow era racists pretty much ruined the idea of IQ tests for voting. But what he's essentially saying is like, oh, they're like carry on. Listen, listen, the Nazis methods weren't the problem. It's just who they targeted. That's what he's saying here. No, I 100 percent believe that he's like, yeah, we need to get those Republicans. We need to put them into those camps. Yeah, yeah. He's basically saying that he would have done it right if he were the the Fuhrer. Absolutely. Oh, God. So I just posted a tweet into our little thing and I'm going to read it for the audience here, but I wanted you guys to all to see it first. I'm the bad guy when I suggest these people are something less than appreciably human. Oh, my God. He's a special lad. I'm fighting his demons right now. Well, so what does he what does he have to say about Marvel fatigue? Marvel movie. I did find what does he just really empathize with? OK, that would that would I love. Dol Trump stole my Halloween, my summer, my ability to enjoy life itself. The movie Bob the problem with Marvel is the good guys lose in every movie. All right, is everyone ready? Let's do it. Yes. Not quite the intro you'd expect with everything we've said, but hey, different format. It's like a detective show from the 1950s. Well, if you showed one of Hitler's paintings. As of whenever I managed to pick this one up, I really kind of get this. Geez, you already like the the the boys, the audio quality. You already have quality for somebody who's been doing this for like ages. Like, yeah, it should be better than that. Good. You couldn't buy a good microphone for your YouTube career. Geez. And yet he sounds exactly like you knew he would if you hadn't heard him before this. Yeah, that's a great. Yeah, but exterminate half the human race. Let's say you don't know anything about audio. All right, you just you have no clue. It's not your wheelhouse. You have no talent in it. You can literally just buy a blue Yeti and be OK. Yeah, you just plug it in. It's USB. Yeah, plug them in. Yeah, they work just fine. That's what I use. I've been using this whole time as a USB mic. But it's even worse than that. Like, even from just a video, one of the biggest ways to lose people in your videos the first 30 seconds and we're 20 seconds in and he's not even spoken about the video yet. So most people have already gone by this point. Well, his audience at this time, I think was all the the escapist, right? Like he was the side thing on the escapist for a lot of years. Like a tumor. Yes, yes, actually. There was like a weird back and forth at the escape. I think he got fired twice over the years. Like he said something dumb during Gamergate, which is like nine years ago at this point, but he got fired for the first time. Then after like that smoke blower, he got hired back and he got refired for something. He's gone through a lot of different dramas, to be fair. Anyone who's been on the Internet for like 10 or more years, they have like their history, right? So that's just just how it is. But I don't know if you're still there. As of whenever I managed to pick this one up, I really kind of get this back on some kind of track before October. He said knowing the best way to do that is to stop letting the fucking things run longer than 10 minutes, just because you no longer have an editor forcing the issue. We will be about a week out from D23, which is basically a trade convention for all things Disney fandom that's been going on for a long time, but never really got super well covered until Disney also came to mean Marvel and Star Wars. So now it's basically Comic-Con slash CinemaCon part two every year. And this is the world we live in. Oh, fuck, the way that he talks. Let's do one sentence. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, no. And the audio, I'm going to get it. How does it take it again? Dude, those cuts, those harsh fucking cuts in the audio. Yeah. Well, it goes as long that he needed to breathe in it. Like he needed to get a breath in because that sentence was so long. That's laborial. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That was like, that was 20 seconds. That was like a 20 seconds, and it was sped up. It's not a challenge. He's not even extended it. It's not even over yet. If someone said, like, let him cook, it's like, we'll be forever. No, also, I'm not an expert on like audio mixing and what are audio clipping and whatever. You could just like slightly move your audio clip for the previous one, and it will be smoother. What he did was like, he took a breath. He cut the part where he took the breath and just pasted the next section. I can't judge that all the time. You can resolve the pops though. You can get them out. No, but wait. This part, what you do though, you're, it's like a live segment where you have a video. So I can't even give Movie Bob that level of excuse or you cut and I see you cut. But Movie Bob doesn't have that thing. He could have put more effort into his audio. Well, I think the audio, it sounds like he's at the bottom of a bucket. That's the problem. Like he's a long way away from the mic and you hear everything, like the entire room. Okay. He also came to mean Marvel and Star Wars. So now it's basically Comic Con slash Cinema Con part two every year. And this is the world we live in now. It also means here comes the next big wave of Marvel announcements exclusively since no one really expects any big Star Wars news since we've all accepted that the franchise is in a baby Yoda shaped holding pattern until someone figures out whether it's actually possible for that problem. Stop. I beg you to stop. It's the same tone. Like I deliberately, when I cut my stuff, I go up and then I finish a bit. And then I finish a sentence like this. So everybody knows where the thing is at the end of the sentence. He just goes. It doesn't end. He's trying to be like Yachty, but he can't do Yachty. No. Because Yachty's also on the escapist, right? So. Yeah. Well, someone in chat actually just said like they unsubs from escapist because having Movie Bob on their feet is not worth having Yachty. Like it's not. That's totally fair. Yeah, it is. But imagine that you get an unsub because they fucking put this shit on on the channel you're shared with. He's like star. I can't believe how long like these sentences are. I think it's still one sentence. It is. It's unclear. Okay. It is unclear. There's out whether it's actually possible for that property to be anything other than recycling and remixing stuff from the old movies without causing an international crybaby incident. See the cut. The cut in between. Yeah. It's like he cut in between the words. In between the words. I think he had a cut in the word. It felt horrible to listen to. The funny thing is what he just said was like Star Wars is fucked because it'll just continue to be at a baby Yoda shaped hull whenever they try something new people complain like man babies and he's talking about TLJ which is funny because loads of shit was recycled in TLJ even. Do you know I'm trying to even understand his points but the way they fucking delivers that makes it almost impossible. It's really not. Wait for the end of the sentence to process what sentence. Yeah. And it never goes. Yeah exactly. Like I mean you need the sentence to end to kind of understand what the fuck it is. Dude my brain is barbophobic. Right. Like he just floats across it. Well what did he just say in a minute? Marvel like new announcements for Marvel movies. Something about Star Wars. Like I don't know if he doesn't like how people talk about Star Wars. The announcements will regard Disney's products and it's not really anything for Star Wars because Star Wars is currently stuck. You know that's what he's trying to say because anytime they do something new like The Last Jedi everyone goes man baby mode. That was his overall point I think. I do feel that Star Wars tends to be a whole lot of the same thing. Right. You can't have anything new. I don't even disagree with that. R2D2 is the only droid in the universe. I don't even think that's a wrong point but the presentation is so bad. It's just rancid. It's kind of hard to listen to. Without causing an international crybaby incident again. So get ready for another round of new project drops, new titles, new casting reveals, trailers and by now. All right. That wasn't a sentence. That wasn't a sentence. Like okay. So my content is political and sometimes I have to like read very long quotes from a book. I have to explain a very complicated idea every once in a while. So I have long sentences too and I know this. And sometimes, sometimes when you're trying to get a long sentence out and you're recording it and you're stumbling over it right at the end and it's like fuck it's a 30 fucking second sentence and I can't do it. What you can do is you can say the words exactly the same way and then like cut on a certain vowel sound so it blends nicely. There's like audio tricks you can do to make this work. It seems to be doing none of them. Yes. He's very, he's very true. I mean a lot of these, a lot of these problems are solved and he doesn't write his scripts like legislation. Like why are these sentences so long? Which you think that he would want to, yeah he really, that's funny legislation as a concept of, he's like this is, I'll write this like I'll write one of the laws I used to exterminate. In the chat, a guy named Gigachad, great name by the way, he said, Bob is still living in YouTube 2006 when you weren't allowed to post anything past 10 minutes. So he used to speed up his videos. So one thing I do know is that if you, for a while the rule was you don't get full monetization if you don't make a video that's longer than 10 minutes. If it's shorter than that you get only like one ad and not two at the start of the end. But I think they lowered that to eight minutes now so it's not even a point anymore. I think, I think Bob is just living in like a previous YouTube period. Well this is a 16 minute video as well. So, you only get ads after 10. Under 10 because he had an editor. I guess the editor chopped out a whole bunch of bullshit usually. Or he ate him. Yeah, what happened to his editor? Where did that guy go? He goes to the zoo. Don't ask about the editor. He didn't pass the test. No, you know what happened? He was marinated in Mountain Dew and then caught. Oh no. He went the best way. Everyone's expressed the thought that maybe Republicans are human beings and it was summarily cooked. Marinated in Mountain Dew. It's bad enough that you would do that to a tiki or whatever but to show it to everyone proudly. Wow. Proudly. Look at my delicious concoction. Here, Mahler, if you want to pull it up. There's the picture of movie Bob's Mountain Dew chicken. Check that out. Why did you do it, Bob? It looks like fungus. Also kiwi on chicken. Kiwi? That feels weird, right? That's your problem. But kiwi feels weird, right? Like that kind of thing. Strange on a chicken, right? Lemon, lime, salt, pepper. Okay. So get ready for another round of new project drops, new titles, new casting reveals, trailers, and by now the welcome spectacle of the internet declaring it no longer chaos about anything from phase four onward juxtapose with the even greater spectacle of how much she does. I don't know what the fuck all of that was. I'm sorry. Like I am genuinely trying to listen to him, but it's so hard because there's so much stuff that he's saying that it's, you have to like fucking, because people are saying slow him down. I really don't think that's the solution right now. It's going to take way long. We have to listen to him for longer just to be clear. Okay, it's still not going to make any sense. Before we pass the whole food thing, I'm going to post this one too. I don't know if you guys have seen this, but the average amount of food. Oh, that's definitely something we've seen. This is classic. Yeah. Like the best meme. Now, you know what? I'm a fat guy. It's fat and fat's in my name. You know, I should probably lose about a hundred pounds or so. I have lost some, but I need to lose more. And even that looks like way too much fucking food. Like the thing that struck me about this immediately is I like that way of raising it. Even for a snowflake named Fat Man, I'm like, no, I could maybe eat like two of those burgers. You know, yeah, I could eat like two of those meals. Not fucking four. You get to two burgers. There's also a few drinks. I'm never going to do the drinks. It's impossible. Yeah. Just like, oh fuck. Just the sheer volume. You're imagining that like inside of you. Yeah. And you're like four of those drinks in my body. And 90 minutes is the maximum you've got. Not happening. That is. That's like. Okay, hold on. Yeah. Somebody offers you $3,500. $3,500 to finish everything in this train. 90 minutes. I could do it, but it would hurt really bad. I think I could do it. So I need to stop myself for a while. And then I think I'd vomit after it's done. If that doesn't break the rules. Yeah. I vomit the way through. I need to break the rules if you're allowed to vomit. I don't know. It'd be tough to do that over a day. It'd be tough to do that over a day. Salt alone. I'll get you some salt. Yeah. It's just. Yeah. Right. That's that's got to be getting the least worth of sodium. They see all these like horrible like results of a move. I was like, yeah, it's a snack, I guess. You have to sign a waiver. You have to stop. Okay. Delft report then. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. I think with this I think with this video can we take this back like 15 seconds? We can. Just gonna have to let him do his thing, I guess. Let him cook. Let him cook. Project drops new titles, new casting reveals, trailers and by now the welcome spectacle of the internet declaring it no longer cares about anything from phase four onward juxtapose with the even greatest spectacle of how much they very clearly care about not caring. I mean, not to be labor the point but look at some of these runtime. Those two things aren't comparable. No, they're two completely different things. Yeah. One is a load of people saying I don't like these movies. They bore me. And another one is going, I find entertainment out of people making entertainment from this terrible thing. Like you've now repackaged that into an entirely different product. So it's not that they care so much about not caring. They're just finding entertainment in any way they can because you're not providing it. And here's the thing. Movie Bob is from that old era of the angry reviewer of the late 2000s. So he knows. He knows all about taking a bad movie or a bad whatever and making it into a video. He knows why that's funny. But yeah, it's like he doesn't he doesn't like you. Right. So the criticism he's levying right now at people like me slash us is the you claim not to care and yet look at this insanity. And I'm like, I do care. What do you mean? Yeah, it's not that complicated in terms of genuine investment and like the MCU at this point. Yeah, like it's over. But like it's still relevant in terms of like a cultural like a big aspect of like popular storytelling right. Yeah. I was going to say a primary like almost mission statement is to care about storytelling in our culture at its highest levels. And that usually correlates with what is seen the most what is listened to and watched to the most. Which right now, unfortunately is stuff like the MCU and Star Wars. But things are changing. I would love to be wrong. I would love for a good Star Wars to come out. I'd love for all of those Marvel films to be excellent. Hell, yeah. That would be super. Can you imagine if they were good? Andorra's all right. Wasn't it? Yes. That was a good show. Andorra was good. Andorra was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. I enjoyed all the all the prison stuff was great. That's the weird little heist show was great. Like, yeah. Yeah. We just hope that season two can bring it home and then it can it can hide. It can just be that thing that happened. I'm going to have to get just leave and rest well hero. This is part of the problem with anything good in the universes of the MCU or Star Wars or anything like that. I don't think it fucked as soon as it gets a sequel or whatever. And I didn't used to be that way. Right. Like, I didn't used to come into it when Iron Man and Captain America were new. Right. And I was like, oh, maybe this next one will be good. But it feels weird that I got two well, me and then us. Like what? Where's everyone else? Like, is it just us? We're doing a movie, Bob. It's over five hours. There's only one thing I'd enjoy doing for more than five hours at a time. And it ain't going up on. What's up with this accent? Nigga, please. What's up with this accent? Him going like hours. Hours. Yeah. It randomly like fades into it. Everyone's like, I don't know if he plays into it. You've cut off his really good joke, though. He's about, he's setting up that joke. So. All right. We'll roll him back so everyone can see this glorious joke. Iron Man, it ain't going up on you. Oh, wait a minute. Not far enough, I'm sorry. These runtimes over five hours. There's only one thing I'd enjoy doing for more than five hours at a time. And it ain't going up on YouTube. Nobody believes that that's the thing for the. He's eating in the dark. What's the. He's got the, he's got the tiny McDonald's meal in front of him. He's like to the lights off. Do it in the. I don't. I don't wish to be seen while this is happening because this is probably that this is the last thing the last of the three famous movie Bob Food takes. Here you go. Oh, oh, yeah. You guys ever wanted to look at what's like prison food? Mountain Dew marinated chicken. Why is it so cold? You do that to Mountain Dew. That's how Bob likes it. Why would you do that to those two innocent, innocent items? You can do this to food. I can enjoy Mountain Dew with fried chicken separately, you know. But to cook it with Mountain Dew. Why would you do that? It was like he boiled it and it's this way. A chicken had to die for this. Exactly. I don't know a little bit of respect, God damn it. Why aren't vegans picketing his house? At least he put a warning label next to it. At least when Gordon Ramsay kills a cow, he does something with it. This is awful. This is a tragedy. Wait, do you mean the video or the image? Yes, higher birth. That is a shit ton of rice that he's about to skin. That is a lot of rice. That's a fairly small amount of food for an average honest movie, Bob. That's true, yes. We need something for scale. That could be a massive chicken. Everest. This is the Simpsons joke. He's going to have sex while I'm making my videos because he's cool. Someone got it right when they said he was stuck in 2006 where you could say like sex. And everyone's going. Anyway, now that we're also also that's not true. Like isn't a famous tweet of his like he was simping for this girl and he he got shut down. Lindsay Ellis. Yeah, she basically just said please leave me alone. Maybe maybe movie Bob does have someone who loves him. But maybe maybe you. Okay, so yeah, I think regs, you asked me why I stopped doing Bob review. Um, I think it's because it's because I started getting really sad. Like it's it's fun to laugh at and eventually I was like, oh my god. I need something to cheer me up. I'm going to politics. Yeah, I know what you mean. But like imagine being this guy. It's like, oh, oh Jesus. Oh, yeah, a little bit. I had to stop for a bit. So I was getting like like life sad, you know, like depression. So I was like, oh, yeah, right. Like people who watch Gore all day. Yeah, I get it. He's like, he spends this moment trying to be like, you're all fucking nudes and I'm the cool guy having sex. He plays a clip where the guy gets punched at the end. I don't know. Maybe a bit of projection. Mario fucking three. Anyway, now that we're supposed to at least be pretending that we're back in normal times and thus reactions to the regular flow of movie releases are no longer supposed to come by concerns about whether or not the fuck he's still going. I was going to say, I was going to say pretending to have sex, but okay, the moment is fast. I was legit like, he'll stop any second. I'll stop and then you can speak, but the sentence was still going. So I was like, oh, shit, what do I do? And thus reactions to the regular flow of movie releases are no longer supposed to be accompanied by concerns about whether or not the medium itself has survived the recent troubles unless you're a Warner Discovery shareholder in which case, hey, good luck out there. What the fuck's happening? The cut between the burst where he has to take a breath because he just gets out of breath talking. Honestly, it's very impressive that a man made of pudding can talk for that long without getting out of it. He's kind of all the breasts. It doesn't count. He doesn't even breathe. He just takes more putting in and it rejuvenates. Does he have the whale? He doesn't run on oxygen like we do. Does he have the whale thing where it's in his nose, where it reads through his nose? Well, you see, here's the thing. It breathes through his nose. That's all of us. That's all of us. You see, we can worry. I hate to break it to you, but we all have that. We all breathe through our nose. Let go! Let go of me! Let go of me! Let go of me! Let go! Let go! Let go! Let go! Let go! Let go! Let go! The dove. The nostril literally means that I was home. I know your brain's deteriorating. We're not two minutes in yet. It's just because Movie Bob made you forget you have a nose. It's Movie Bob one of those people who breathes through his nose. That girl's paint. That girl's paint. The tube thing! He's destroying my stint of stealth. I forgot I have body parts. Stale nose tube thing. Oh, yeah, I have to do that. But I think he's trying to do, like, the attention marketing strategy. You never leave them out, like, a second to look at any other video, because they have to focus on yours. Sort of the Mr. Beast style and everything. But he's not making any points while it's happening, and you can't process anything. And if you just watched this 16 minutes on and got to the end, your brain would be fried. No way you could rotate in any of this. No, but I think that's the point. You get to the end and you're like, well, I guess I was interested, because... Something happened. I wasn't bored. St. Troubles, unless you're a Warner Discovery shareholder, in which case, hey. We can wear his post as a picture of the whale now. I just can't! It's the interview. He breathes through his nose, yeah. That's how he does it. He breathes through his nose, yeah. It's not air in those tubes. It's like very concentrated oxygen, just so he can absorb angels. Match potatoes. That's the Mountain Jew. The Mountain Jew. The Mountain Jew. The Mountain Jew. He marinates the chicken on the way down. If I infuse this Mountain Dew with oxygen, I'll never have to breathe. I'll just drink and drink and drink. Yeah, he breathes through the bubbles. Up there, you're going to need it. One can also expect the discourse to swing belatedly back around to where it was pointed immediately. Post-end game but pre-COVID and the question of Marvel fatigue. I.e., is that a thing? Finally, I understood all that. Yes. Okay. Probably still minutes to there. Let's see what happens next. Yeah, I mean after more than a decade, dozens of movies and shows, tons of characters and story, a whole global culture, redefining generational touchstone of storytelling, etc. has this whole thing finally managed to overstay. Some more even a lot of its welcome with fans, the general public with critics and the entertainment press within its own genre, even the industry itself. It's quite a question. One that requires careful consideration. Yes. Could we give it a go? What the fuck actually? No! God! It wasn't just the visual, it was the noise. It's just like, oh my god. I mean, I understand the whole record scratch thing, but it had to be a little bit quieter. Yeah. Bob has to learn how to do some sound mixing. Consideration. Yes. Fucking yes. Jesus. What kind of stupid question is that? Of course. How is he more echoey? You asked it, sorry. Yeah, I was going to say it. You're asking the question. That's the title of your video. Yeah, but the title also says the internet is stupid. Oh yeah, my bad. You just ask questions and get fined out in the comments. It's like, oh, that's interesting. No, he... Oh, he's just stupid. Okay. Years is a long fucking time. Time is a thing. Yes, people get tired of stuff. Of course. No, I've been good. Oh, it's good. Yeah. Why is his audio worse here? I feel like belabored with this. Because, I mean, for instance, people aren't tied of films in general, or like video games in general, or music in general, or books in general. I think they're about to be tied to books. They're about just on the cusp of it. I've seen a lot of book fatigue. Have you guys seen all the tweets about book fatigue? They're everywhere. People are like, oh, fucking books, pages, man. Oh, wow. More pages. Yeah, or the new one I got. Yeah, more pages again. Let me guess. It's got to cover. Oh, wow. They don't tie the words. Do you think he would say that he was tired of Super Mario World 3? He'd be like a fed did that you'd say that you're like, what the fuck are you talking about? Fucking same rag. For Marvel, for any kind of long running thing is a weird blurry background. What's up? I just noticed that. Yeah, he's got like what what is happening? There's like a little bit around him. But he's got like an aura of clarity, which is the opposite. I think he's going on here. He doesn't want to show his background, but he doesn't know how to do like that and video auto snip thing that's going around with new. No, he has a green screen wall. We saw it. He painted his own room green. I think this is a background that he chose out of anything. No, I think what happened is he has a zoom app. It's probably like a zoomer office app where you could record yourself and have the back. So it makes it look like shit, but yeah, it's terrible. So hold on, Regs. I will. I will defend the green wall things. I did that to actually works pretty well. It didn't work very well. No, no, no. I'm not talking about the green wall. I'm saying why would he do this when he went through all the trouble to paint not only the wall, but also the door and the door handle green. He didn't have a piece of wall. Yeah. That was wide enough to frame himself. So we had to make sure that the door and the handle were also painted green. I just leave the door handle there. Just wait for some comments. What is that behind you? Because you can't just literally unscrew the handle with the screws, then put like a piece of tape over it, and then paint over that so it's flat. There we go. Oh, yep. He did it. He did the thing. I mean, he could just pull out that bit on the left. Yeah. There's still the line in the door where it's dark. Yeah. You'd still get some sort of... Let's just screw it up. Yeah. So here's the thing. For some projects, I need a very big, big green screen. So I did paint the door. I did the exact same thing that he did here. And it actually worked okay. But I realized, yeah, I just got a big green screen. Just buy the cloth, hang it up. It's cheap, right? The cloth is cheap. The cloth is really cheap. And you get a stand. Most of the money is just the stand or the curtain. I think the difficult part of having a cloth there is that you need to not have any wrinkles or anything in it, right? Well, the Algarter one fixes that. And pull it top because it's a cloth, right? Hold on, hold on. I'll give you this green screen detail because I've done this for a while, okay? Oh, boy. Yeah, yeah. You can buy, you know, like a $20 piece of cloth or something that's going to have folds in it. It's going to be like, it'll flap in the wind to get a good quality green screen. What wind? Okay, well, if you have like your window open or just want to buy it... Well, Rags, if there's wind. If there's wind? Your wind? I hope not. Okay. So, a good quality green screen is foam-backed. And the reason is the foam won't wrinkle. Even if you bend it, it'll kind of spring back into shape. Okay. And it won't be easily moved. And also it absorbs sound. So if you're going to do anything with a green screen, you want a foam-backed green screen and those will run you in the three-figure range, not the two-figure range. So, it was probably at a Movie Bob's price range. But like $500 will get you a very, very good green screen. But that's like a business expense. He has a thousand patrons. He has a thousand patrons. It shouldn't be outside of his, you know, like for a business expense. And that's got to be better than painting your... Like if the option is, I could have something really nice for $300. Or I could go to Sherwin-Williams and buy a bunch of lime-ass green paint. And then paint over like the wall in the door frame and the door and the handle. Like surely there would be that part of you that says, just get the board. It's better and it saves you all the hassle of the painting stuff. And then like the floor and... I mean the fact that the room can't be used for anything else. Like you've locked that room in to be what it's for. Yeah, see the reason that I did it is because I was just starting and I was much younger and I had no money and I had a friend who worked at a paint department at a Home Depot and I got free paint. I was like, okay, there we go. Yeah, Fates decided that you would paint your wall green, all of those things with a friend and everything. But Bobby didn't have like friends but he has like money and stuff. He's been doing this for so long. He's like his studio, you know? As soon as I started making more money at YouTube, I bought... I put out the $500 and I bought the green screen and it's actually nice. Yeah. Again, this is his job, right? This is his livelihood. This is his business. But I can't imagine that spending money on something that would look good would be a bad decision. Yeah, it's going to be a tiny cost compared to his editor that you had. Sure, yeah. Yeah, he was a huge involvement. Yeah, yeah. Time exists. It's not an issue of money. That was a pretty funny answer. Time exists. That was the shortest sentence we're going to hear today, too. Whether or not fatigue for Marvel movies for any kind of movies exists, the question is whether or not whether or not it matters and to what degree it's there. He included the screenshot of us talking about She-Hulk. Does he think that we think that there's Marvel fatigue? Or what does he think? Or was that just irrelevant? He doesn't know. Also, that image came after saying we're hypocritical for saying we don't care about Phase 4 and yet we talk all about it. Did we say that we don't? No. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's dead in the water. Well, as far as I'm concerned, there's probably been 11 or 12 times over the course of these 15 years that we've been doing this. Okay, but how do you account for the fact that this Ant-Man potentially lost money? Yeah, the general public are losing interest. Another way to put that is that they're fatiguing on this franchise. You're right. People have been saying, oh, yeah, that's too many superhero films back in 2013 or 2012. But one of them lost money. So how does that factor into the movie Bob, you know, realm of like, whoa, shit, how does this affect my opinion on it? When did this video come out? Seven months ago. How long? Sorry? Seven months ago. I guess it's aged not great then. Well, it depends on what his conclusions are. We're not even close. Don't you worry. Cinematic universe thing where the various chunks of the audience or the whole audience has gotten burned out on the whole business, but they keep releasing them. They run on TV all the time and the general audience that doesn't spend all day of their lives like people in film media and hardcore film fans talking on social media about only one thing. Fuck me, man. These sentences are horrible. It's like he's reporting from like a war. So what's the same one? The Vietnam War. I'm in downtown like Berlin or whatever. That's going too far back, but like he's like in a war zone with CNN or Fox News or something. His own person in Vietnam, man. Yep, true. His kitchen is his own person in Vietnam. And he's like, man, you've been doing this for so long and I can't get over how bad the audio in the video is. Don't you give a shit? I think it's particularly poignant though because it sounded like what he was trying to say was like, are all the people who are obsessed with films and talk about it all the time, yeah, sure, they're fatiguing, but the general audiences are just fine. It's like, no, they're not. Yeah, well, I mean, we saw what happened there, didn't we? Talking on social media about only one thing, you know, they reprocess the fatigue over a week or a weekend or something. Well, that's turned out not to be the case. Yeah, because what we say general audiences at this point are tired and we're talking about people who don't spend all that time talking about movies like he's saying. Yeah. I keep hearing people like they're moving over to anime and they're moving over to manga, right? And I mean, do you think that's like general audiences though? Like the kind of people who go watch NCIS or something? Like do you think those people know? I think in terms of like younger people, it is going to be like a slow but steady trend over the next decade or so that anime will continue to grow and these things will continue to wane. I just think the more likely to go to Korean dramas and stuff first. I think they'll get absorbed by stuff like Avatar, Top Gun, fucking things that they want to see in the cinema that aren't Marvel anymore. Mario, yeah. Yeah, maybe. This is what was proven, right? Marvel were like, hello, our numbers are down because of COVID and then movies came out that fucking smashed them and they were like, oh, shit. And then it's like, well, shit, those excuses don't really, these explanations don't work anymore. You know, when you have like stuff like even Avatar, right, like making shit tons of money. It's like, oh, shit, something's gone wrong, which I guess this is kind of interesting because like really seven months ago even the writing was kind of on the wall, because seven months ago it would have been by the time that Top Gun was eclipsing like Universal Madness at the box office, which is interesting because you didn't typically say that of like, you know, standard action films like outperforming superhero films. I'm not sure why that didn't factor into his analysis, but damn, I guess we have to throw that on the pile of age pretty badly. Yeah. Because yeah, Avatar 2 wouldn't have been out by now, right? Avatar 2 was like December, so that's like four months ago, but Top Gun was definitely out by this point. I guess. That's under the assumption. Is he saying a meeting, is he saying like the people have a meeting to the site? I don't know. I need to hear that again. That was, he lost me a bit. People talk about things like fatigue like Marvel fatigue Superhero fatigue fantasy movie fatigue blockbuster fatigue sci-fi movie romantic comedy fatigue Understanding him correctly. He's just saying people will could people will whine about it, but they'll consume it at some point again Yeah, I think he's trying to say it's not real. Fatigue's not real, you just say it is. Yeah, but you say that, yeah, the fatigue doesn't, I mean, it's a dumb take because we know that long before Marvel movies were even a thing, we know that fatigue existed, like why did Star Trek disappear for the first time? Because they made four shows over the course of like 15 years and people stopped watching. Yeah, and if you want to say, well, that's not fatigue. That's just people not tuning in. I'd be like, what the fuck? What do you think? I don't know why. What is fatigue other than that? Yeah, exactly. I was so confused by the power he's like meeting. It's like you don't need people to like meet and decide on whether they have fatigue on something. Like that's just a general trend. Yeah, I think he thinks that like everyone is a collective and they all have to like, he's implying there has to be some kind of top down opinion given to people. And if you don't give them that opinion, they won't have it. So we'll just decide on their own. See, this is the meeting right now because you posted you guys earlier, he thinks that this is the meeting. Like, yeah, the E-faps are the ones that are like directing audiences to not watch anymore. We are here today to tell chat how to feel about fatigue. Well, I mean, this is this chance though, right? He can tell the truth finally to chat. They can finally know what's actually happening with fatigue. Yeah. And there is also there is romantic movie fatigue because I don't remember a romantic comedy or a romantic movie that a trend it's like there is super here. There are like genre of fatigue at some point. Of course. Absolutely. Yeah. So, so I don't know. This feels like copium from Bob. You could Western's war movies, the sword and sandals right? Yeah, basically opposite of the trend. It's like, what is what is fatigue is like is when the thing can't do well because audiences aren't that interested in it. Yeah. Okay. Where's the new disaster movies? There was one every week. Yep. You see that after after a prolonged period of people being really interested in it. So like zombies, yeah, in the 2010s, right? Everyone loved that shit and then it kind of petered out and now there's zombie fatigue and no one cares about zombies. Well, I guess the relevant part of the equation is it's like it's usually saturation combined with the deterioration in the quality of like a lot of the stories that you're getting, right? Like I hear that the walking dead gets pretty shit like eventually after a while. Yeah. Or maybe not even after a while or it gets really bad man. It's like it was amazing. Yeah. If it was amazing all the time, it's like, well, damn, you probably wouldn't see as much fatigue, but even then, you know, like, but it's just like the way that things work, right? Something starts working and then you get a bunch of shitty imitations and then, you know, people start to lose interest. I don't know why he's like baffled by this. You can see these trends like throughout film history, video game history. You see it with video games. Yeah. Different types of genres of games that are popular, different types of like multiplayer modes, whether it be Battle Royale. It's clear as fuck with video games. Yeah. Like open world games for a while and like shooters back in 2000s just co-op games. Remember that? Good times. Get them co-op games in there. Yeah. Good times. Battle Royales. Yeah. That kind of feels like the newest one, right? That's a good one because it's like you had some really big entries from the Battle Royales, right? Where if it was if it was just quality and not genre fatigue, right, those would have potentially done better than they did, but they failed because people were just tired of playing Battle Royales, right? Like if anything, video games will show you because you know, you've got a I guess a lower barrier to entry to a larger market there. It will show you that these these genre fatigues do exist. I remember all the shitty MOBAs that came out when Ligen like Dota were doing really well. They would be like, this is my MOBA on mobile. Make sure to look it up. Same with like mobile games in general, right? Like when Angry Burns got popular or like Candy Crush. Yeah. Survival crafters, you know, there's lots of these genres that come out after a big boy comes out. But then again, watch it. Maybe we might agree, but I have some other point to make. Yeah, no, that's that could be true because the thing about it is I used to be one of the people who was like Marvel's not fatiguing. It's doing just fine. The second it changed was box office numbers. That's when I was like, oh, fuck, I don't think it's fine anymore. It doesn't look fine. If that man made a billion and a half, I'd be like, yeah, they're fine. They're doing just fine. But it made a lot less than that. A lot less. Do you ever remember getting called to like a fucking meeting? Like man, that's really that's really stupid, man. What is he saying? Top-down enforcement of opinion. People. No one comes up with an opinion on their own. You get it from everybody else. You'll have these meetings. Like first call to order. Mother fatigue. Are we are we fatigued? Yes. Also all fatigues say I, I, all right. Well, the eyes have it. We're fatigued. The next meeting, they're like, are we still fatigued? Tell me destroyed. You have my boat. Like your HOA or like brought down to the community center, like a town hall meeting or some shit and what the fuck are you talking about? Where are you going? Mountain Dew's got to his brain. Stop cooking. There's definitely a section of the Internet that believes that any kind of talking head online, like any kind of YouTuber streamer or whatever, you know, they like control their audiences that top down very, very directly. And so like when you say something, the audience jumps. Without his perspective on himself like his like relationship with his own audience, like, you know what I mean? Like his projection is he views that with his audience and he views it with everyone's audience, right? That's why a lot of his tweets are kind of really, really out there. It's like, oh, shit. You know, the Gamer Gators are coming or something, right? He says that a lot. There's a lot of this view that like you'd like if the bridge a YouTuber has outsized influence in his view to control these sort of things. I'm just pictured like Residential Full House Defense, but it's Game of Gators movie. Crawling through the windows. Boarding up the windows. So the Game of Goblins can't get in. Man, if you ever want to laugh, just search up Movie Bob's name on Twitter with GamerGate. He still talks about it 10 years on. To your point, though, I think that YouTubers can have kind of an outsized impact on their audience with regards to two smaller things, right? Like if you want to go on and say that the forgotten Sonic game is bad and you're the only person who's ever made that video, then sure, I imagine that will become part of, you know, the conversation is, oh, this is a bad game. But we're talking about fucking Marvel, right? This isn't this isn't something where one YouTuber can go out there and be like, Marvel's bad, right? Like that's not a thing. I feel like we're one person. He's talking about this like meeting. She's just like, just look at the fucking numbers. They've been going down even to the point of him making this video. It's not even good at that point. I'm baffled by the meeting thing, though. Like, what is this fixation with the notion that people will like get together to essentially decide and collaborate? Well, he's never been with other people is the thing. So he's never. I never get invited to these meetings. It's like, Bob, there are no meetings. It's like, yes, there are. That's his point. That's just about it all this time. That's his point. Movie Bob is imagine it. Wait, wait. So movie Bob is imagining there is a conspiracy that controls everything. Well, just no, I think he's saying like, what are the meetings? There are no meetings, right? That's bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. That thing that you made up. Yeah. That doesn't happen. Yes. Yeah. When you try to dig in because there's no meeting, no one has an opinion. Yeah. The idea of an individual coming up to their own conclusion is beyond. Well, yeah, all of us come into the same conclusion, which is that Marvel's in trouble and he's like, wow, was this some fucking meeting that I missed? It's like, no, we just think this. That's something we all think. He basically doesn't believe in the concept of spontaneous order. He thinks that if there's a pattern, someone said it there. Yeah, especially if he disagrees with it, like, because he clearly does the reason why a lot of an audience of a YouTube channel think the same thing is because that's why they're there in the first place. They found a channel who has an opinion that's like resonates with them in the first place. Very few people will go and watch a channel that just is wrong about everything that they think that would be annoying. I watch plenty of channels that I think. There's entertainment in it. You know what movie Bob would say though, sounds like someone who attended the meeting would say Oh my God. The things that the minutes was by the way, how are we feeling about the Marvel movies? Are we all still like the joke doesn't even work because we're just like, what the fuck are you doing? Where are you? I'm bored with Star Wars. I want to table this to know that's not a thing that happens. Yeah, you're right. Nobody said that. Nobody said it. Your premise is stupid. No one does that. There's no one in the room. They're with you. Where are these beatings, Bob? They have the room with us. Like this is fascinating. It is. He's he's reputing an argument that he brought up. Yeah, like, look, I keep telling you sat and doesn't control your mind. No, people think there are meetings to discuss Marvel fatigue. No, they don't do that. Yep. I always love the visual that like he sets up this straw man just goes to fucking hell on it and then looks around with pride like I did it and everyone's like, what is that? This is the next 12 minutes. Fatigue is a hypothetical bullshit academic thing that people know. What? Why? It's very straightforward. This is the thing. The one thing I would concede on is like you might have multiple definitions. If someone said fatigue is when the movies are getting real bad and people are losing interest or some combination of things as opposed to just if someone said fatigue is in the box office numbers, that's how you can tell. If someone just said that, I was like, oh, it's pretty straightforward. Yeah, there may be people with different ideas of what exactly fatigue means, but what do you mean? It's like academic nonsense. What are you talking about? The Marvelized. Why have you just posted Movie Bob's greatest contribution to culture? Because because this is the kind of take made by someone made by the 38 year old consumer. This idea that fatigue doesn't exist and is just academic because he seems to be the guy that the guy that just constantly consuming all the time. And it doesn't matter the quality of the content that he consumes. It doesn't matter. They just know a constant wave of content should be should be washing over his brain. 24 seven. Does that mean that he thinks that your multiverse of madness video is academic? I don't know. That's a great question. I should have no idea at that point. I don't know if that's a compliment. I don't know what's happening anymore. People in film schools and movie media and other shit that most of the world doesn't give a shit about have time to think about. And how do you like what about videos that get millions and millions of millions of views of engagement? It's like nobody cares. Like somebody cares. You people ever does truly happen? Like when things do pass out of fashion for like, you know, five or 10 whole years at a time, like Westerns or disaster movies or what? It's not something that you can see until you're 10 or 12 years out from when it happened. No, no, that doesn't change anything, though. Well, is his claim that like you can't predict things? But that's for Todd. It's like, what do you mean? You like, oh, you can't tell until it's like, what is everyone doing trying to predict it? What do you think the film studio is trying to predict trends in the history? When we say model fatigue is like, if so, if I said model take is here and then he goes, oh, they're still making enough money to continue. I'd be like, oh, okay, fine, settling in then. He's like, what does that mean? I go, well, in five to 10 years is a good chance that they will have ground to a halt or at least cycled it so far down that we're getting one per year and it's not even that successful. And then he says, yeah, you can't really say that until 10 years after it's happened. It's like, I guess, yeah, like we don't know that it happens until it happens, but you can make predictions about things that might happen. Yeah. Why can't I just say this about anything he's ever tried to predict ever in any way? Why can't I just say that about you thinking that there is no model fatigue? Yeah, you can't know that until you've got 10 years ahead of there being no fatigue. Yep. Stupid checkmate. Checkmate. You can see until you're 10 or 12 years out from when it happened and then they start coming back and then you realize, oh, hey, you know, I think there might have been Western fatigue for a while and I did Weston's make a huge comeback 10 years after they went out of fashion. Westerns did not make a huge comeback after they got out. So his premise is drawn again. And the other mention that's about it. Hey, he was amazing. I was kind of killing it like the genre is dead. Well, I don't think I just think things come and go because remember there is that time and like between the I mean, really it was the 50s the 70s when there was a 7 trillion Westerns and they're they just everything we've never returned to that house. It's never happened again. That was there. Yeah, it hasn't and like if someone said, you know, zombies, they happen. They're gonna be happening any time now because it's been 10 years or something. I was like, what? I don't think that's how that works. I think he would point to the the exceptions. Right. He'd be like, oh, there have been Westerns like I don't know. Tarantino made Django, right? Like that's kind of Westerny. You had Cowboys versus aliens, I guess. But like they can't think of it. Yeah, it's not like Western being made. There was Deadwood, but that's about it. Yeah, like Deadwood was really good. But that was right. These were these were exceptions and they kind of prove the rule, right? Because people go, oh, look, a Western. Yeah, yeah. Like one of the big initial appeals of Deadwood is that it is a Western in an era where not many Westerns are being made. Yeah. So kind of stood out just just in that alone. Well, when we come in, how many zombie movies and shows have there been? When we come a train to Busan, I remember there was a distinct era of like zombie movie. I was like, yeah, it's a good one. Remember these? I remember zombie movies. I was like, yeah, yeah, I do. I was like, okay. Tell that because I notice now they're Westerns and they weren't for a while. But you don't see them. Yeah, but that doesn't mean, oh my God. That could literally mean anything on the scale. Like there's some coming back. There's one coming back. There's lots coming back. Yeah, but his premise doesn't work because he's saying that after they come back, everything will come back. But it doesn't. Like what everyone has been saying, like there's one cool cowboy alien thing or one other cowboy movie. And but the whole trend doesn't appear. Like the thing that he's saying doesn't happen. It's happening, right? Like there is superhero, not super. There's cowboy fatigue because after that one movie, the trend doesn't come back, right? Yeah, he's almost treating it like it's so hypersmall scale that the second the movie gets any kind of approval like we hit the top gun trend recently and it's already fatigued. He's like, what? Yeah. No. I'm perplexed by like, does he not think that you can look at like the box office gross of a movie now and make an assessment based on that? Because studios will. And studios can't be very correct. I remember people were calling it if Black Panther would or wouldn't make a billion. Yeah, I thought it was going to make a billion. It didn't. So I think what he said is how he judges things. So it's like, I don't notice it until it's come back and then I realize it's happened. And then as you said, this applies to everyone else. Yeah, he's yeah. I think you're right that he's not too great at it and he's like, so no one is like, okay. In the middle of it, how could you like anyone who asks if you're in the middle of it, how could you possibly predict what it's going to end as like, well, there's so many ways it can end and everyone's predicting shit. So someone's going to be right. How can studios make decisions about the films that they do like boards? The reason you don't see as many Westerns is because studios don't want to make any more Westerns. Why do they do that? What metrics are they using to make those decisions? Because they're similar metrics that like the general public has access to when it comes to box office gross or budget. Well, yeah. When when Ant-Man makes you're wrong for you. It's just Ouija board is exclusive. Yeah, yeah. When I'm right here at board when Ant-Man doesn't even make 500 million. It's not just all of us going, whoa, that's interesting. Plenty of people in general audiences might be aware of that information. If they have some like interest in it, you know, is really interested in it. It's like Disney. You can be like, oh, well, I'm interested in it. Universal is interested in it. Um, like, um, I can't believe Paramount's interested in it. Well, so we had to have to explain this, but it's like movie come out. Make 10 next one come out. Make 10 next one come out. Make 11 next one come out. Make 12. Like, oh, wow. This is great. Next one come out. Make eight. Oh, oh, no. Put up another one. Seven. Oh, six. Oh, shit. Maybe we should start making these. And then you should wait 12 years and then we'll know. That's like, yeah, like the simplest way you can put it and he's like, yeah, but we're in the middle of that, you know, nine, eight, six, seven thing. Like we can't know fatigue is set again. It's like, yeah, I guess we can't know anything. He's the argument that no one knew is World War One until World War Two happened. Yeah, it's not until World War One was over. Did you know how long it lasted? You're like, yeah, I guess so. You don't know like when a crash like, you know, like when a recession necessarily ends or begins or something like that, but like people are still going to be making decisions like in the midst of that and making predictions. Like certain information doesn't become clear until afterward. I mean, people can't make predictions about the future. You're forgetting the important thing that he laid out earlier, which is that time exists. No, that's true. That's right. That's right. I hadn't thought of that. Yes. You could tell this mother doesn't exercise. We'll have to do it. Time's in the blood. Yeah. Cause like you could get fatigued depending on the intensity of the exercise and that you just not if time isn't a thing. But shit. He said it was fuck. Oh, he got the checkmate. He got it. He got stumbling into the correct opinion. Time exists. He was he wasn't sure about it, but he went with it. So about is there Marvel fatigue? What they're really asking you, it's always a film critic or a film person who wants to be a film people who are interested in the film. I'm sorry. It's about films more than 11. Is that brawler want to be movie critic? I don't just tell like if a normal person, which you can talk to normal people in real life and they'll say stuff like this. If they say, man, get a little tired of those superhero movies. I feel like a lot of people are too. That's essentially paraphrasing the concept of fatigue. Like they didn't use the word doesn't mean that they're not like talking about the concept. Well, they must want to be movie critics, right? Like that's just said it. The only people. No, it included everybody included movie critics or people that watch movies and talk about movies. So the only people excluded are people who have don't watch movies like everybody else. Like, hey, Martha, do you have to put it on this? She's like, I don't even know what movies are. You're like, see, she's a normal. It's stupid. Isn't getting paid to do it, but still bitches about movies online all day. Oh, that was you. At one point, you might actually have God forbid an interest in something that's a really denigrating people with a hobby thing to say. Well, that I mean, that to me just seems like pretty indicative of like, oh, money's on your mind, movie Bob. Well, yeah, like you're not getting paid for it. You're not getting paid for you're not doing anything. Well, I mean, that's pathetic, right? If you're not getting paid for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, doing something while I get paid for it. That's crazy. What's twice about watching Marvel movies? People are there like aspiring to become, you know, creatives and critical thinkers like breaking down all kinds of things. You just said like, if you're not being paid, fuck off. It's like, oh, are you surprised that movie Bob is espousing a elitist point of view here? Because I have, I think I have the opposite impression you guys have. Can you can you wind it back like 10 seconds? I'm gonna miss something. Film critic or someone who just isn't getting paid to do it, but still bitches about movies online all day. And what they're really asking is, can I, the only people who are who are complaining about this movie fatigue are people who are movie critics or want to be movie critics or people who just like to talk about movies and watch movies. Right, right. So when I first, I thought he was making the argument that like people who get paid, their opinions have been tainted by money and it's not pure anymore. Yeah, no, that would be a good point. But he's not, no, he's saying that like, oh, those of you who didn't make it to become professional movie critics and you just, you know, complain on social media all day about movies. Like, okay, I get it now. Yeah. Yeah, this is an elitist point. And the thing is that it's not even meant to be right. Like he's just kind of throwing out all these people who are stupid, but he's exposing his internal beliefs here by saying, oh, and you're not even getting paid. This, like his whole approach here has a huge air of like all of you idiots are wrong. It's very simple. I mean, the video is called The Internet is Stupid. So yeah, part one. Nailing. And what they're really asking is, can I please finally stop talking about this? The answer is usually, yes, please do. Nobody wants to hear what you have to say. So there you go. There's this theory that in reality, you guys just want to stop talking about it. Like, what does he make of like the then millions of views on the multi-person? Wait, this, I'm having a headache. This just confuses me. So what he's saying is that everyone that is talking about movies are asking permission to not talk about it. Is that what he's saying? Ben, I really want to talk about this. He's done the mental. He's figured it out, right? Like people who complain about Marvel movie fatigue are just looking for any excuse to stop talking about Marvel movies. Right. What's saying? Exclusively though. Well, he passed up the whole thing said earlier, right? Though we claim not to care and yet clearly we do. It's if any smart person, if they don't want to talk about it, they just won't talk about it. This is retarded. I mean, it could have been saying Marvel fans. Oh my God, he could have been saying before that people that were talking about it before were like just grifting for money. And then there was a load of stupid people that listened to them and kind of got indoctrinated into their opinion and now they're stupidly repeating that opinion without getting paid. And now he's saying that all the grifters really want to stop and he wants them to stop, but that wouldn't make sense if they were. He wants them to stop because nobody can get any money out of it. So, oh my God. Yeah, what ultimately what he believes is happening. If I were to say Marvel to your set and then he believes what I'm thinking is man, am I so fucking tired about talking about this? But I have to because that's what I get paid for. I'm just going to say, isn't everyone tired of this? Yeah, everybody. Yep. Yeah, and then I have to realize, oh no, they're not tired of it and he's like, so why don't you just fuck off if you're tired of it? And I'm sitting like, and that's not, it's such a weird like, I'm not tired of discussing modern like movie releases. Movie Bob's so stupid. But it shouldn't just be easy to prove, right? If everyone actually loves these movies, he could just go, look, they're really successful. That should be it. There's a too many video job done. No one's bored. That's the thing, right? If Ant-Man had come out and then you made this video, he might have amended a few of these points. Anyway, but of course they kept talking about everyone else is and they'll be left out of the conversation. So what they're really asking is, will everyone else please talk about something that I want to talk about? Of course, if you had anything interesting, the fucking is this really projection to you everything so much. Cause it's like clearly, clearly he hates talking about this. He wants to talk about something else. It's like, okay, then do it. It's your channel. Luckily, I mean, surely by now, movie Bob, with all the years that you've put into this, you can talk about whatever you want, right? Well, I get, yeah, yeah. Movie Bob just wants to put the piano out and sing. I suppose the timing of this is really funny, considering that last week we talked about my movie was pretty popular, Tetris movie and 65, a film nobody watched. Nope. Yeah. I mean, Tetris. I don't think either. Like I just have not many people talking about it, but that's in Star Wars from. Yeah, it did. Well, I mean, it's so weird to be singled out by him. When I consider what we choose to talk about is strictly the stuff we care about menu, dude. Yeah, the menu thing to say, you could be directing that conversation, but you don't. But like, does it exist? Does even I, who loves a lot of these fucking movies, every once in a while. So it's like, you know, even I'm getting a little sick of talking about this once in a while. Yeah. Oh, so there we go. So now we're starting to get some, now we're starting to get a little bit of honesty here. Almost like he's upset. Some people enjoy talking about this when he hates talking. I was gonna say that's a box tick for projection again. Like that means that just confirmed it. Yeah. You're actually annoyed of having to talk about these movies all the time. You think everyone thinks the same way as you is like, no. It took me a second there because I was I was focusing on his doesn't even I sentence, which just felt like he actually said doesn't even I doesn't. You know, even I'm getting a little sick of talking about was earlier than that. A little earlier. Yeah, just I spent a lot of time thinking about it. You don't, but like doesn't exist. Does even I, who loves a lot. Does even I in a weird sentence. I got stuck there for a while. I think it's going to catch on. I think he's a he's a bit of a trailblazer. Fucking movies. Everyone's a while. So he's like, you know, even I'm getting a little sick of talking about this once in a while. Yeah, it's funny to be like there is no Marvel fatigue, but even I'm getting tired of talking about Marvel movies. Well, he's making a meeting so we can all talk about this. This is a day or a couple hours. You know, if he actually stumbled across a meeting where all of the big movie critics are deciding whether or not model teachers exist, you would probably walk past and go, that's so stupid. Walk in, sit down and be like, this is dumb. Yeah, maybe it is setting in actually. Hmm. And you'd walk up to the board and start writing notes and stuff and be like, yeah, I think I think it kind of is, but also kind of isn't like he just wants to be in these meetings, guys. All these looking for. He just wants to go to the meeting. Somebody involved in just the talking about like who's the real critics on honest, like that matters to you a bit, doesn't it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's definitely again. Alitism, but you're not a real people. Yeah, you're not a real reviewer. Yeah, right? Like, oh yeah, people who really want to be considered reviewers, but they don't get paid money to do it. It's like, I don't know, man, these are all things that you're choosing to bring up. They're weird. They seem reflective of your attitude. I'm not better. No, I'm not. Yeah, you say that. I'm not angry that I was invited to meetings, but meetings suck. But I'm not. So I never wanted to be my coach. Meetings suck. They don't exist, but what am I an invitation? So, so a lot of people think that the whole Lindsay Ellis thing was him like crushing on her and she like, she was kind of being polite, but then like rejected him and it was a big public, you know, but I don't think it was that. I think what it was was it back in the day back when that guy with the glasses.com was the hub of the internet. Lindsay Ellis was on there as the nostalgia check and movie Bob wasn't on there and he wanted to get on there. And I think that's kind of just hung over his head now for 15 years. I think he thinks that she was running some meetings and he was like, Oh, if I can get in. I got to get into those that guy with the glasses meeting guys. He fucking means to say, oh, hey, here's a new commercial for something. And then I'm back on board because I've got a million other things going on in my life. I don't have time. I don't know. He just admitted that you could see like a million of them get bored, but then he sees a commercial for the next one and he's in like. I'm sure. Yeah, Bob, you've just highlighted a different thing. I don't know if you realized like, I think he's renting now because that's what he's describing is his job. I have so many other things I could be doing. You know, I got so many things to do. Fatigued enough by other things to not be fatigued about the fucking Marvel movies. Yeah, man. Like somehow he's managed to work like he's argued all the way around saying it would be sad to be fatigued by Marvel. Like, like how much do you not have gone on your life in order to be bored by superhero movies about a set of films? Like if that's so like, how did you get here? I could totally picture like just normal people being like, man, I don't even tell the difference between that man, Shazam and all that other shit, black Adam, whatever. I'm going to top gun though. I know that I'm going to see it and then movie Bob's they're like fuck is wrong with you. What do you have going on in your life that you think that Batman is fatiguing you from seeing Shazam? We be like, okay, aren't you getting me to the moon? You don't go to those things about everyone's career though. It like walks up to parking attendance. Why do you care so much about the lines on a paper on the on the road? I was thinking about regular jobs, right? Like the notion that they can get bored because they're exhausted with other things in their life that like everything is interesting when they get home because it's so tight from coming home from the store mill. Well, that's that's why a lot of people are angry. This is their entertainment. This is their escapism and you've ruined it. And so it's like now I have to work and come back and it's still crap. So they're after all their entertainment. I like how does he account for like audiences on like the watch YouTube videos in like the millions? Like how does he account for that? Like interest in like analysis of films on that scale that's that's got to be heaps of like normies or what there are tons of videos. Everyone. Yes, of course. And I spend all that time on there. What's going on with you that you can be? It kind of seems like you should have other things going on in your life. Oh my God. Unbelievable. I can't get used to our hobbies. It's amazing. He's argued that if you feel bored by superhero movies, you have no life. His blur is manually done. It's not tracked to him as he moves away. It stays and he's even leaning into the blur section. I think you're right. Yes. Manually done. That's right. This is not even. His argument seems to be that if you care enough about these movies to complain online that you're getting fatigued by how there's too many of them. You're kind of getting tired of it. You've added too many things. No, you didn't. You didn't have those things in there. He just said if you're fatigued by instead, he was very, very straightforward fatigued by it when you should be fatigued by other more meaningful things in life, then you're sad, like to be fatigued by superhero movies. Jesus. That's pretty strict. I thought this would go, but here we are. Yeah, I mean, they're actually like to take. Yeah, like it's like he's trying to say like you're doing your fixing some stuff in the house, doing your regular job, you're talking to people and you're like, fuck, is it boring to keep going to these parties? I guess I'll go watch a movie. And it's like, well, I haven't. I don't watch superhero movies all the time. So I'll never get bored of these. Woohoo. It's like, do you know what humans are like? When you go to the cinema and it's like, you know, what do you want to see? And it's like, oh, zombie movie, romantic comedy, action adventure, one of the Marvel movies are out or maybe a comedy. And you're like, yeah, I don't really want to go to see another superhero movie. I'll go and he's like, what the fuck? The majority of the people who watch these films are just normies. Like you think like you think like Marvel movies were making a billion dollars off of like film buffs, but regular film goers watch these films. Yeah, but regular film goers have stopped going to watch these films. Well, that's the part of this video. There's not in here. That information hasn't been accepted. Well, we tied together with his whole, you know, people who talk about this are elitist stuff. And I don't I think maybe his whole argument is that you should care so little about what you put into your your gullet that you just shove it in. Yeah, that you shouldn't get bored of it. You shouldn't be bored because you don't care enough because it's just is just content. Hashtag content just feed it into yourself. At that point shouldn't all movies just be successful? I don't know exactly. Why does anybody have any preferences? You know, what is it? Yeah, yeah. Well, and and also there's the Christmas that he's making is basically like a coat. You can hang on anything. The whole like, oh, you care enough to complain about this on the Internet. So you're like, well, I mean, you can say about me complaining about it. Yeah. Yeah, he's got to look down his job is. But if it is stupid and maybe that includes him on anything that you like on the Internet. It's like, oh, you're talking about this. You care enough to talk about it. It's like, well, you don't have to comment. You care enough to care enough that the other people are talking about it. Let's just keep going. And then he'd be like, yeah, well, you're even worse because you're caring about me caring about you caring about it and you're caring about me caring about me caring about you caring about it. All right. Oh, true. Well, you know that meme where there's the guy in the corner at the party? That's Bob and he's like, they don't even know I don't have more fatigue. Other things going on in your life. But okay, hyperbole about the need for entertainment media to manufacture, you know, it's kind of a shame we're not still on that version of him because he was a little bit more normal speaking. Yes, he was. He was. Now we're back to one minute long sentences. Yeah, extra conflict narratives where they don't exist because all the real conflict narratives in the industry these days. What? You mean like the one that you've created? Yeah. Dude, how do you know? Extra conflict narratives where they don't exist because all the real conflict narratives in the industry these days are corky. Ah. Comcast bigger than Disney market cap. I didn't know that. Oh, this is old. This is before Fox. See, it's Disney and then there's Fox. This is out of date. And also like, yeah, like, what are we? What's meant to be done with this? This is the real conflict. Disney, Disney makes a lot of money. Therefore, like it's they're indifferent to like potential lost revenue. I guess he's just saying this is the real fight. The ones that you guys are making. All right. They're right because it's the proletariat in the bourgeois or whatever. Probably a corporate level and are thus, well, perhaps more difficult to cover since they involve everybody's bosses him. Well, if we're playing along and acting like there's something here, it's the question of whether or not simply the Marvel cycle, but the whole shared universe comic book superhero genre mashup, whatever we're calling it now cycle has hit its peak as the centerpiece of blockbuster entertainment and is we pass the peak. Does he think that it's like witty to just have the sentence be really long? It's also, yeah, because those are like useless words and they were redundant words anyway. Wait a second. The fact that he admits that there is a peak in trends means that there has to be fatigue. That's the end of the trend. Well, remember, he even said he feels fatigue. Well, yeah, he threw a whole bunch of shit in you. That just makes the whole video hard to follow. Well, he was already hard to follow. What am I saying? He's now on the predictable downward trend that and if so is this observable in the reception of the various face for movies at the box office, which outside the ones where we're adjusting based on covid still having been Oh, he's doing the covid cope. Well, that's okay because at this point, Thor Love and Thunder and Multiverse would have been out. So, you know, like, I guess there are other great successes count. No, I don't talk about them. Even talk about like non-marvel movies. Oh, right. So like you can't use the covid excuses. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Even pediment have been putting up big, but not Avengers big numbers. Hmm. Hmm. So hit because the real question is, was there an expectation that like multiverse of madness was going to make a billion dollars? I get the impression that the answer was yes and it didn't made close to that, but it didn't make quite that. You know, and that matters. It does not Avengers good audience response apart from that one that was Avengers all spider-man's edition and the streaming TV show releases, which now arrive at a regular pace and consistent caliber enough to have a rapidly evolved from there's a new Marvel show and it's the only thing pop culture will talk about for the next month and a half to Oh, another one of these girl Hulk now. Um, doesn't that I'm sorry. How can you say that and then be like, Yeah, but there's no fatigue. Yeah. Sounds like that would be an element of fatigue. You can consider the stuff to be special anymore. Hmm. They're just normal events. They're just okay. Hey, come on. Yeah. Come on. Come on. I mean, I'm letting him argue for us at this point. I mean, yeah, he's taking care of a couple of the characters already. Hey, maybe that sounds nifty. I'll probably watch that until the by now reliable point either at mid season or the very last episode where something really potentially huge maybe happens to set up other movies, characters, concepts, etc. That everyone has been hoping to see appear return or just get mentioned, which then leaks to social media and everyone loses their minds or Esther run back and that would sound right away. So it's just horrible, but he's also I think trying to say like you see the cycle is alive and well. A thing comes out. People are okay with it, but it hits its last episode. Everyone gets super excited and the cycle continues. It's like, do you know anything about the state of these shows? Their engagement or obviously the box office slowly degrading for him. It's like, how is this not relevant information? Yeah, the way that's proving the entire premise of this whole discussion pointless and also well, that's Polish. Yep. It's Polish. Yeah. It sounds like he changed mics in between the take there for something like something radically changed. Sounds like shit. Yeah. Yeah, maybe he's maybe now he's finally swallowed whatever he was eating and now he's talking or makes me sound with but just to to sign sort of summarize what he's saying here because I'm having a real hard time with this video. Really? So so Marvel fatigue does not exist because the only people we're talking about it are people who watch movies, but we know it doesn't exist because the average person they get fatigued by it and so do I as movie bog also get fatigued by it. But it's okay because eventually I will see a new shiny thing and get obsessed with it again and come back into it and that'll be why fatigue doesn't though it does exist. Of course, but it doesn't. Am I like one of you messes that we know it doesn't exist because by the time you can actually point to it having existed. It's already been it's already been that way for 10 years. I can't hear the majority. It's like it's like a really retarded argument for just consumed product. Well, yeah, there's nothing coherent in here. It's all crazy. Yeah. People will just by the time people will get tired, the new shiny thing that connects the Marvel product is connecting it to the next Marvel product. So people will get excited again, despite the fact that movie Bob described fatigue. You didn't even said he gets fatigued. Yep. Yeah. Right? Oh, like I'm trying. What do you want me to think? I'm willing. I've signed hours of my time to try to hear you. You want to learn from you, Bob? I want to learn help me out here. Throw me a bone. Esther run back and binge the whole thing right away, thus proving the entire premise of this whole discussion pointless and also why they're just going to keep winning this game until the death of the actual goddamn universe. No, they've already started losing just. I've lost this game anymore. They're not winning the game. Like now it's it's they're not at the top of the box office anymore. He's him. He's simping for Disney. What he's saying is people just eat the product anyway. So shut up about fatigue. It doesn't happen. Oh, yeah, which is like the most poorly timed time to say this in the MCU's entire history. Yeah, you'd said this at any other point. You'd be right. But now you now is the time you can't say this. And meanwhile, the movie theater comeback story of 2022, which heading in the whole industry had basically resigned itself to accepting as being the final opportunity for Marvel and Disney to swagger in and cement their dominion over the next 15 to 20 years of cinematic culture by being that chewed up audio, you know. No, right. Geez, don't like give a shit. Come on, man. The only box office force capable of showing a real resurgence after the pandemic instead became holy shit. Turns out people really wanted to see Top Gun part two. Huh? Who knew? Which I mean, I knew. I knew the whole damn time. Did you know it? Did you know it was? Did you know it was going to make like one and a half billion dollars? Nobody knew that. Nobody knew the whole time. Nobody fucking knew. I was a genius. Nobody knew it. Nobody knew that. That's why I don't. Why would you doubt him? Listen to ranks. Have faith in movie, Bob. Very well. Not know the whole time. Time. I mean, look, time time. Yeah, I'm done. What's the time time? Anyone to see both that and stuff like everything everywhere all at once come out and crush it this year so we can at least get some spark of variety going again. That's a good thing. But I'm not sure. Describing fatigue. Yeah, when when a whole bunch of other stuff is doing really well, a model isn't. What do you think that's indicative of? Yeah, exactly. Very straightforward, Mr. Bob. I don't understand. I'd be treated like someone to start on a secret mystery formula. When I could have told you Top Gun 2 would have been the biggest. Oh, yeah, you could have told him about it, Bob. You could have told. Oh, I thought somehow I'm pressing extra dot. I'm pressing extra dot and that shit. He knew. Come on. He knew. You know. Here it came out immediately after Top Gun 1. Like the only reason it took this long to get a Top Gun 2 is that back when Top Gun 1 came out, it wasn't necessarily the kind of movie you immediately did a sequel to and Tom Cruise pivoted to draw. That's your that's your insight. It wasn't necessarily the kind of movie you make a sequel to. Top Gun was pretty successful, but it wasn't as successful relatively as Top Gun Maverick. I think I think it made like 60 70 million, which, you know, in the 80s, right? But I think, oh, no, wait, no, that that film. It did make a lot of money, but like, you know, not like 1.5 billion dollars. Well, I'm pretty sure it didn't make that much money. Sounds like cope all of it because this is actual information that kind of fucks with the narrative, right? So he's got to, like, try and chelf it. It has to find a way to read the sexual. Yeah, this is again. I know. It's making. Top Gun made $357 million dollars in 1986. That's really good on a budget of 15 million. That's damn good. Um, it's not 1.5 billion dollars. Yeah. Promise even for inflation. It's not 1.5 bill even adjusted for inflation. That's not 1.5, right? Surely. I don't know. Maybe I could be close. But I doubt it at least. Yeah, I could believe that awards. And after that, the Mission Impossible series became his big action franchise instead. Also, sidebar. Can you stop pretending there's this big meaningful difference between the Mission Impossible movies and Marvel DC? What? Oh, my God. Mission Impossible. You have to. You have to. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. You know, at that quantum meteor Mission Impossible fallout is basically the same. Damn, that's like really lame and reductive to, like, compare Mission Impossible with the amount of effort and profit goes into the film making. No, Fringy. No, Fringy. It's not. If you just take it into account that what he thinks of a film is it's just fucking content with absolutely no purpose other than to be shoved into your eyebrain and just just fucking vomited. His attitude towards film is oddly similar to his attitude towards food. Yeah. Oh, I was going to make that joke and rags B.B. to it. Damn it. Sidebar. Can we stop pretending there's this big meaningful difference between the Mission Impossible movies and Marvel DC, whatever superhero stuff? I mean, apart from the fact that I find most of that series to be kind of overrated installment to installment, you know, like strip on this superficialities and genre pedigree, you know, the meaningful difference. What is these? What is the fucking difference is strip away all the meaningful if you strip away everything that makes the difference that are different. They're kind of the same, really. I'm sorry. Like the fucking audio popping is driving me nuts. So I did find most of that series to be kind of overrated installment to installment. You know, like strip off the superficialities and genre pedigree, you know, the meaningful difference between the Mission Impossible movies and the Captain America movies is that in between the sequels, Ethan Hunt popping up with what I'm hearing it to it feels like it's skipping like like nonsense. Not me. It's not me. It's meaningful difference between that's just it's possible and Captain America is that it doesn't team up with Sonic the Hedgehog. Right. We've heard this argument a million times. This is on the money. That isn't it. You know, I said that it's an appreciable difference actually that Ethan Hunt doesn't team up with Sonic the Hedgehog or Maximus Decimus Murray. That is I don't know, man. That's just kind of true. That if they did that movie, I'd be like, you know, Mission Impossible is just like Captain America. The thing is he'd be like, that's a joke. It's like, yeah, but it's like inaccurate. Dumb as fuck. I don't even get the analogy. That's the point. He's saying that the main thing that separates the Mission Impossible movies from like Marvel is the fact that he doesn't eventually every five years do a team up movie. Yeah. It's like that's an appreciable difference, my man. Fucking stupid. It is really really between the Mission Impossible movies and the Captain America movies is that in between the sequels, Ethan Hunt doesn't team up with like Gladiator, Robocop and it calls him gladiator. Like I said before, as far as I'm concerned, these culture fatigue questions are usually the wrong question or at least asked in the wrong way. Okay. What is the right question? What's the right question? Give us a question. Wrong. Did we just get to the actual point of this video? Maybe. You can never really know if they're about to hit us. The last question is the answers that get the most attention are almost always going to be the ones that don't give you anything like a good faith or unbiased reading, but instead twist things up to serve the agenda of the person doing the answering. Ask someone who loves the Marvel. Not this video though. Yeah. See, so the problem with everyone else is that they'll give you a narrative that focuses on whatever, well, an answer that focuses on their narrative, you see, but he's going to give us the cold, hard truth. I'm excited. I'm ready for it. To death would happily watch nine more movies and a dozen more shows a year and practically lives at Avengers Campus Disney and they'll tell you not only no, never, but they'll have an excuse for every single shortcoming. So well-practiced. Short. Shortcoming. Where did that short come from? Different people have different opinions because I think that's a good point. Lies, you went to the meeting and you absolved the same thing I did. I was too busy. I was at the secret NASA meeting on the moon base where we talk about how we hide the flat earth from people. So I missed the meeting on how we decide artificially which movies and franchises do and do not get fatigue. Yes. I think it's the gas we put in the theaters that we would pump in a little gas and it makes people like want more or want less. Only no, never, but they'll have an excuse for every single shortcoming. So well-practiced Kamala Khan would tell him to rain it in a bit. She blasted through Santa's fleet like a flaming angel. What happened to the audio quality? Jesus, this is so chewed up. There's the video. It's just mess. It's very appropriate that Booby Bob's editing. I think he's right. I think he's recording this off his mic. So it's like playing through the speakers in his mic. You might be right. And he's recording the footage. You might be right. The footage is just downloading the video. Modern NC doesn't need you to fuck it up, Bob. Okay. Obviously, we don't know exactly what she's been up to, but maybe she just needed a break. You know why this is this is music, right? Do we need to talk? Hopefully, that's we're right. And we're just about to end. On the other hand, if you ask YouTube or adjacent social media loudmouths, Marvel Studios, what happened to the microphone? What? Yeah, that shit. Listen to that. On the other hand, if you ask YouTube or adjacent social media loudmouths, Marvel Studios, what the fuck? I'm rocking. What? What the fuck? He walks in the room. So it's not fucking dinner all the way? He's recording while walking around. He was in the bathroom recording the microphone and then blending them together. Like, post. How did you fuck that? I'm so mad. What happened was he was recording with his USB mic and it wasn't plugged in. Yeah, somebody said it wasn't plugged in all day. And mid-recording, he noticed, oh shit, it's not plugged in. Mid-words? Mid-words? He's fucking with the little USB and he puts it in all the way? That's the only thing that makes sense, smaller. It suddenly became okay after he noticed that it was a plug and fault. He's just like sitting there, not caring, playing with his plugs and there's just like more of them going in. It's like, sounds better now. On the other hand, if you ask YouTube or adjacent social media loudmouths, Marvel Studios, oh my God. That's so funny to me. It's gotta be like, it's like a faulty microphone and it's like the connection is bad. It's not plugged in all the way or the USB port is just fucked. Yeah. It's like sparking while he's talking. What's annoying? Maybe having his head turned. What's annoying is that? No, the quality is different. Like, it feels like it's increasing the bit rate. Yeah, and it made words so it's not even a cut. Yeah. What's annoying is that he didn't retake his whole fucking video. He's a fucking professional, right? He gets paid for this. Allegedly. And then suddenly, oh, my mic isn't, oh, I guess it's okay, right? I get how many people pay me for this shit. Does he even watch these back? Do you think he just does it that he just sets it out? Yeah. A lot of people don't. They say they don't like their own voices, so they never... But he can help you catch stuff like this. On the other hand, if you ask YouTube or adjacent social media loudmouths, Marvel Studios has been over since 2019 and is now only getting more over because there's an increase. Hold on, can you play it once more real quick? I can indeed. I'd love to hear it. Again? Okay. There we go. He just needed a break, you know? Can't a woman just live? On the other hand, if you ask YouTube or adjacent social media loudmouths, Marvel Studios has been over. I can observe. Okay. What is it? Where Switch is a... Like a mystery novel. There's a little click there, so it sounds like maybe he'd like change his mic. Something will echo you as well before it. Movie Bob is like an Agatha Christie character. Come to life. Yeah. The previous mic, it also sounds like there was some sort of heavy heavy noise filtering on it that failed. And like half of his half of his voice was like filtered out if you listen to it. Yeah, I get you. On the other hand, if you ask YouTube or adjacent social media loudmouths, Marvel Studios has been over since 2019 and is now only getting more over because... Oh! Do you think he was running distortion over the previous clip so it didn't get detected by copyright? And then it bled as well. Oh, I could be it. And he turned it back on after he started talking again. But like the way that Vegas works, that's like, that takes more work to do to apply it to a different clip and only part of that different clip. You'd have to be very lazy, I guess, to fuck all that up. Strange guy. I mean, he lost his... He lost his editor, right? Yes. Maybe he doesn't know how to edit. He ate his editor. He ate his editor. By the way, he said like, you know, it's so fucking dumb because there's people who've been cool in the end of the MCU in 2019. And I was like, well, there is an argument for that. There's plenty. There's all kinds. It's funny because he says like, oh, we've all got this like hive mind opinion about the end of the MCU. But people could call the end of it at Endgame or Loki like kind of we did or maybe maybe She-Hulk was it for someone is like, no, it's dead now. But someone could also have said like, I don't know, man, I thought fucking Captain Marvel was the end of the MCU. That that moment that was it. It was over from then on. This idea that he's like, see, you guys were wrong. But it's like, well, wait, what did they say? Did they say that it was going to stop making money or did they say that creatively it was dead as of 2019? There are arguments you can make because there's an increasing number of lab women and uppity non-white people in the movies. And as proof you need only look at the numbers, which OK, that's kind of dubious since now what we've got for the numbers in this case are box office numbers half of which still have pandemic recovery instead. He's still going with the fucking COVID shit. I don't know how long that you just can't. You just can't. So which is it though, Bob? Is it the racism and the sexism or is it COVID? I don't know which one he was blaming here. Well, if you're in the behavior are we going with? You can try and stretch out the box office of MOM by saying, you know, if it wasn't COVID, it would have hit that billion. OK, it's like good luck trying to argue that with Ant-Man, which, like I said, it came out right after this video. So he doesn't get to have that a part of it. It just gets the shit all over the video. Few people out there wearing masks, you know, that's not stopping him from going to watch Marry, either. No. Dead, dead. Apparently, those fucking theaters are packed with people because they want to see the plumber jumping up and down. Or hoisting boots made more money than that. So, so nice to hear. I love hearing it every time. It's makes me so happy. The little cat got way more than the ant. Yeah. They were not yet released in this or that large territory asterisk smeared all over them or streaming stats, which are not independently tracked in a reliable fashion and only selectively. Let me help you out with that movie, Bob. When Loki came out, they were like, oh, my God, records are breaking. Oh, yeah, this is good. Oh, yep. Season two is happening. Woohoo. All the other ones. Yeah, they're doing fine. That's right. They're fine. What do you mean? They're great. Moon Knight did pretty well, but everything else was lower than Loki. I think Loki was the peak in terms of viewership. Besides, I'm sorry, but like, I just don't trust it anyway. Like the amount of fudging they've done with and what they've said, like Amazon about rings of power, for example, the idea that kind of like shady shit isn't being done with Marvel, too. Well, yeah, I can pet box office, which is just that is the number. Yeah, I like the box office of so reliable compared. I do trust them when they fire a bunch of people and say, maybe we're not going to make this show anymore. I think that's pretty reliable. It's so successful. We don't need a season two. It's fine. Yeah, because that's the thing right at this point. Just when he looks at the slight right now, Ant-Man lost money. The like Disney Plus is streaming service in general. You know, lots of these projects are getting delayed. Why is that? Why are they not like, you know, if you think Echo or like Ironheart is going to be a massive success. Why don't you like fast track in that, right? Get it in the fiscal year, bump up the numbers. Well, unless, you know, you're not delay all that free money. Dude, do you remember the the comments made about Willow season two? Someone just mentioned in chat where they basically try and talk around the fact that it's a complete like failure. They're like, Oh, you know, actors have got some stuff they got to do that makes it so that we're maybe going to shelve it for a little while. That's all. Yeah, we're just going to. Yeah, we just don't want them on contract because they're so talented and we just want to let them do their own thing and everything. And it's not canceled. There's just, you know, we're just not working on it currently and this adventure will continue. So many people say they love it. Meanwhile, like what? A week after Mario Miyamoto is like, Oh, yeah, there'll be there'll be more Nintendo movies. Yeah, like it was like two or three days later like Donkey Kong, definitely. Actual successful shows. Stranger Things launches this fourth season and immediately this post about season five. These are the dates going to start getting written. Every time they write a fucking page, they upload a photo of it. They talk about like how this is going to be emotional experience. This is the kind of thing we're looking to do this whiteboard. All these announcements and coverage and interaction with with the shows the nature of this thing. It's the same like with video games, right? Like when a game does really well, it'll be like his. How many copies we sold when a game doesn't do so well? Well, here's a number that we shipped or well, you know, it cumulatively it had the highest like amount of money made, you know, in this period. It's like, oh, man, like it's usually matter of fact when something's a success. I mean, they want to boost about it. There will be four and five because too much money. Yeah, I guess a more contemporary kind of comparison here would be maybe the last of us, right? Where they announced the last of the two on episode one. Yeah, exactly. The numbers are good enough that it's like, all right, well, yeah, new seasons happening. It's just if if she Hulk was a massive success, like well and truly a massive success, they would have, you know, they probably would have confirmed a second. They would have made a second season if it was like it reflects in the fact that Loki got a second season and Moon Knight's getting a second season. I think there are normally one like Velma. No fucking way people are passionate enough about that. That's making shit tons of money and that's why it's getting a season too. Like it'll happen where like two seasons were already commissioned sort of thing. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, look at our cane, right? Like that that was actually so successful. They probably greenlit for like many seasons, not just the second one. That works sometimes. Rick and Morty, right? They're out till like season 10 they were purchased out. Same for South Park. They're well ahead of their schedule. It brings an hour. That's got five seasons. It's got to be great. That's the thing that five seasons before they even started filming season one. So it's like, yeah, so those anomalies can be explained. It's like fucking mess. And we usually know what that is, right? Like I bring up the Rick and Morty thing. We knew that they were bought out until season 10 years ago, right? Like we knew that. Yeah, that was off the season three, I think. So we know a lot of the reasons why these shows are still on the air, even if they're not necessarily super enjoyable anymore, right? Because that's part of the industry and we know about it. When these things are, oh, it was signed up by Netflix for four seasons. It's like, we know that already. So if these shows aren't being brought on for another season or are being brought on through Disney for another season, right? We know, I guess intellectually, we can kind of figure out that it's because it's doing well, right? Loki's getting a season two. She-Hulk isn't at least right now. Hawkeye isn't at least for now. Miss Marvel isn't at least for now. I think that one might be. Well, I was going to say, you could argue that she's got her sequel in the form of the movie anyway. So, you know, but that one's going to be so fucking interesting. The box office on Miss Marvel. That's the chungo. Everyone's waiting to see what'll happen with that one. Ain't looking good. Guardians will tell us as well a little something as if that movie does noticeably worse than usual. The Marvels doesn't have a fucking chance. And then, of course, how does a movie Bob Square way like Shazam completely failing? Was that out by then? It wasn't, right? No, but I mean, I mean, I mean now at this point, you know, like where right now he surely this would be a case of I need to reexamine this take. Oh, yeah. Well, it's movie Bob. He'd say, no, I'm still right. I'm going, okay. I mean, that's a great attitude to have that when like new information, you know, comes to you that you don't change your mind. But hey, maybe he would, you know, he would. Kind of retract in a reliable fashion and only selectively available and to take our word for it fashion from the actual studios. But OK, Black Widow, Shang-Chi and Eternals all did about as well as things could do during the pandemic. And is that true? Is that really true? This is hold up. This is a 60. This is a what? Let's see. About a 60 million dollar difference between two of these at least. That's a pretty big. That's a decent size. Yeah. Well, because as I understand it, Shang-Chi was all right for the budget that I had. Eternals was not. I'm pretty sure that's the one that was like, oh, damn, didn't do didn't do too great. And of course, Black Widow, you know, not only did the Eternals not do that great, but Cosmona only gave it a four out of 10. Yeah. Oh, no. I'm assuming by the way, what was that? No way home is going to be discounted because Spider-Man assuming this. Well, because Eternals came out about a month before Spider-Man and Spider-Man weighed two billion dollars. Right. So during the same time as Eternals, that's a good spider-man is apparently we had no way home. We had fast nine. Yeah. We had no time to die. We had Venom, which I think made more nine. I think Venom made about 500 million. Right. We had Godzilla, Godzilla, right? Like there were there were other films that did I remember sing to did better than Black Widow here. So like, yeah, he's wrong. He's very wrong. And if he brings up Spider-Man, the counter should be how much did amazing Spider-Man two gross, right? Spider-Man alone isn't enough all the time to just generate that kind of money. Damn. Now that I'm actually because now that you've yeah, no time to die made seven hundred and seventy four million dollars. I came out around the same time, though I believe that that film wasn't quite a success because it was so expensive to make. Super expensive. Yeah. So once the two did better in the box office than yeah, Venom made 500 million. Shang Chi made 432 million and Venom, I think came out around the same time. So like, I don't know, man, like seems like that doesn't really explain it. No, I don't. I'm sorry, but you're not going to be able to stop the populace from seeing a movie. They really fucking want to see with the covid stuff. We saw that this happened. It's played out. Yeah. And let's be honest here, getting any version of a movie about the fucking eternal. So four hundred million global is about what about the audience? Yeah, you can't make that excuse. And it made eight hundred million dollars. What about Ant-Man when that came out? Ant-Man made six hundred million. It's like Ant-Man. How many people heard about Ant-Man? Yeah, you can't. You can't go with this. These excuses. This is Cope, Bobbit. Cope. All the evidence anyone should need that a brand still works because nobody has ever cared about the Eternals. Spider-Man did great. Yeah, because there was this huge contingent of people who desperately cared for Ant-Man before that came out. Yeah, we got in the wasp. I love Ant-Man in the wasp. Oh, so much. Dude, it's just Gaudians, man. How many people are full Gaudians should come out? No bad Gaudians. Everyone knew. When they said the Gaudians is coming out, I was like, yes, the tree. Yes, the Gaudians are the guys. I was like, yes, I always wanted them to make a sequel to that owl movie. Yes. Like, I remember people being like, I don't know what that is. That's going to be a bad film. Why is Marvel making this? Right? I did. Yeah. I distinctly remember what I got to announce. It's like a talking tree like in a rocker. It was a tree. And it could have failed easily. But it was good. Well, I think it wasn't Amanda Sophrid was up for Gamora, but she didn't want to do it because she didn't want to be part of Marvel's first failure, I believe, was what she said. Like, whoa. I mean, it was a risk. That one was a risk. Yeah, I'm not going to judge her too hard. I mean, look at all the things that Sean Connery ended up turning down, you know. So, I mean, sometimes you just have no idea. Sometimes it's really shitty. He's going to try and glide past Spider-Man as fast as possible, isn't he? This was Spider-Man. That's why I'm moving on. Dr. Strange 2 did better than... Oh, wait. What did he say about Spider-Man? Hang on. He said... Bran still works because nobody has ever cared about the Eternals. Spider-Man did great. Dr. Strange 2 did better than Dr. Strange Thor... Wait. Dr. Strange 2 made $9.55 million? Yes. I didn't realize that. I thought it was like in the 700s. No, but it declines over the year, which is the interesting thing. What did Black Panther end up at? You mean we're kind of forever old for this one? Yeah, that made $859 million, which, you know, that's like $400 million less than the first film. And that's less than most of the guys made, you know? Something else that people like to track is that first weekend drop-off. Like, was this really addictive of the state of Marvel? Because it keeps getting like... What was the worst one? Was it Thor Love and Thunder or was it... I think Thor came in... Oh, I mean Ant-Man. Oh, Ant-Man had the biggest drop, I think, like of any Marvel film. Yeah. Well, because that's people going home and being like, yeah, you don't need to go see that. Yeah, compared to the 41... Wait a minute, can Kill as well as Promote, you know? But also, I think the stuff like Dr. Strange, people went to see it because they liked the first movie, whereas things like The Eternals would ride off the... like the reputation of Marvel itself, because no one would know them. So that's the, yeah, that's the kind of base level of your core audience and your core fans. So if that's doing badly, these aren't proving a point. They're just showing that these are the numbers that you should be making when people like what you make. Because the Guardians comparison is perfect. Is that Guardians was floated by the health of the MCU. The Eternals was not. And you know, something that's worth considering is like comparing Dr. Strange to Dr. Strange 2 that is being marketed as a big multiverse movie. There's that. There's also that like in 2019, every Marvel film made at least a billion dollars. I think Captain Marvel made a billions and like far from home made a billion. It's like, it's less. It's still a lot of money, but it's less. And that matters to companies like Disney. Yeah, weren't they marketing Dr. Strange as like a tie into no way home at one point? I'm sure they were like... They were trying to make it so well. They're like, oh, well, this is a multiverse as well. The fun fact is that originally, they were the reverse order, right? They were. Yeah, the timeline is supposed to be Dr. Strange first. Yeah, but then all gone shuffled around. Or Ford did about on par with Thor 3, which... About on par? 100 million over 100. There's over a hundred million difference between them. My dude. You count box office numbers like you count calories. I'd say there's an obvious trend happening. Just listen, listen, seven and eight are pretty close numbers. You know, that's like one unit away. Yeah, it's just as long as you were more than many zeros behind them. You saw the M and he got distracted. Think about McDonald's or something like that. A part four and they moved it from November like part three to summer. So worst case read there is that the Thor franchise has a ceiling and it's more of a fall property next. Yes, the full franchise has a ceiling. None of the others do. Yeah, Thor is really, Thor is really a full property thing. Without the yellows and oranges on the trees, I simply can't get immersed in this story. I can't. This is to like this ultimate desperate video to try to exploit away Marvel's failures. It's like, no, it's actually doing great. The interesting thing is the omission of the nuance. Why aren't we talking about the second weekend drop? And that interesting compared to the film's exceeded long term, like the significant drops like I'm pretty sure Avatar had like a pretty low. I think it might have only been like 30%. So like clearly Top Gun had long legs. That was just said it. It's like, I guess he's just highlighted it. There is such a thing at least as Thor fatigue. Yep. How about that Bob? Interesting enough to fill in summer. You know, so full. Yeah, there's just some things you don't do. You don't wear white after Labor Day. You don't see Thor before fall. I mean, everyone knows these rules. It holds our society together. What do you find out with Thor movies coming out? You're like, oh, shit. It's that time of year. Nice. Wow. It's Thor. It's the whole time. Thor season. Finally, it's starting to get a little bit nippy outside. We better go and see Thor inside in the war movie theater. This one is Black Panther 2 in November, which, wow, that's going to be a whole other discussion, but also it has a big holiday box. Is he implying racism? Is that what that is? Like the because I'd rather see aliens than minorities. I don't know. Well, I'll roll it back. See if he says anything. And it's more of a fall property. Next one is Black Panther 2 in November, which, wow, that's going to be a whole other discussion, but also it has a big holiday box office rival in Avatar 2, in which case the discourse is going to have to figure out how to talk about the epic showdown. Avatar comes out like, no, Avatar came out like a month later. Yeah, that's not that much competition. Yeah. Black Panther came out on November 11th. Avatar, I think came out like the 20th of December. What the hell is that? Competition sneaky. You're being sneaky. I mean, that's that's way past Thorsy. I think he's doing cover for Wakanda Forever's failure. Oh, like in his bets. Failure to match the previous film, I guess is what I'm saying. Matching failure to reach what Marvel obviously wanted it to reach. Like it doesn't count because it's competing with Avatar. Anyway, moving on. No, and also Disney. And yeah, as for the stuff that's streaming on Disney Plus, yeah, the ones with better known actors to establish characters from the movies do better. Wait, that's look at that. Look, it's look. She Hulk and Miss Marvel with the newest ones. There is there's a general somewhat little trend there that I see. But it was a thing. This is a Miss Marvel drop off is substantial. Better known characters though. And there's Moon Knight up there. Yeah. Like the idea that Loki is that high above everything else and it came out first. No, it came out third. Oh, OK, this isn't. Loki was an outlier. But I mean, I feel like that's easy to explain. Right, Tom Hiddleston is like Loki. That's like a big. Yeah, that's what he's saying. A particular appeal to it. That's his argument here, though, is that it's because, you know, yeah, everything is normal. The fluctuations are explained by popularity with characters. But the thing is with characters and actors, right? But this engagement floor is surely not supposed to be as low as what Miss Marvel's in. And besides the sentiment you always see is people being like Moon Knight, that's fucking cool and awesome. We watch it and you're like, well, damn. Yep. And that, you know, people didn't even get into Miss Marvel. Most people, like I said, I haven't seen it. I know many people have, but what do you fucking talked about it except the Captain Marvel showed up in the end or something new people that ran at the same time on the same services Obi-Wan that pretty much tracks. Wait, he's saying Miss Marvel's competing with Obi-Wan Kenobi. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. If they're watching on the same network, would that like improve the other television shows? I don't know how much I buy it. Like, what one of these shows is coming out with House the Dragon coming out? It would have been She-Hulk, right? Yeah. Yeah. And like that's a competing platform. And then it's also got to compete with, what was the, what was it? I know what was coming out around about the Samsung 2. It brings, it brings the powers. I mean, you know, it's as much as it's a dumb ass show. Like that's, that's a lot of competition by your logic, Bob. Oh, it's just, you know, there are a lot of shows running at the same time, believe it or not. It just doesn't feel like he's applying this at all consistently. It's just to match his narrative, which whenever he has a hole in it, he has to just say like, oh, well, that's because it's recognized characters or that's because it was released at the right time. Well, he's missing arguments. Like, his argument makes sense if you have to pay every time to go to the cinema, but these are even on the same streaming service. So as long as you can watch more than one episode of television a week, then you can watch both and it's not even going to cost you anymore. Yeah, and a lot of people watch a good episode with each meal or whatever. So, you know, it's hard to believe they couldn't make time. That explains how long he's able to get through this Marvel content. Now, look, I'm well aware that the people that most need to hear me on this part aren't going to hear me because I'm someone who, A, is a fan of the Marvel stuff for the most part going way back and B, doesn't generally dislike most of the movie. I think most of them are. Most of the movie. Please? He said most of the movie. Please, please, please, please. How do you have such little care for your craft to where everything's bad, the audio's bad, the visual's bad, and bad in ways that are just legitimately fascinatingly? Like, shooting yourself in the foot with a lot of these, like these, you could have just not done the thing you did and it would have been better. Yeah, do you really feel the need to get in front of the camera and like record your face? You could have just not made the video at all. Yeah. Yeah, that would be a great idea. I haven't done that, yeah. Going way back and B doesn't generally dislike most of the movie. I think most of them are fine. Several are honestly really good to great. A couple of them are excellent. I mean, they've been the biggest thing in the world for like 15 years now for a reason and I'm not. Oh, so when they're not the biggest thing in the world, I guess that would also be for a reason, right? But also his thing is fine, really good, great, excellent. This is his rating here. He's like Cosmodal. It already ever goes as low as a five. Yeah, really good, great, excellent. There's only one below a five. I'm going to pretend that there's something conspiratorial going on with that to make myself look more artificially neutral on the matter. You don't have that kind of long-term success without putting out good product. Okay, so when it's actually losing out on its success. What does that mean? That position he wants to hold on to. Yeah, well, he's now appealing to the box office on the engagement through social media slash criticism or critical reception, which is amazing. So it's like, cool, I like this metric, Bob. Now, fast forward to when Outman came out. What do you think? Pretty much hated and slammed by everybody and it's got low engagement in the box office. What does that mean? Well, COVID, people don't recognize the actor, Paul Rudd, nobody really knows him. Merriant Omicron or whatever run. People are confused by the word quantum. They don't want to see a movie that has quantum in it. It's very scary, especially in the South where those dumb Republicans are. They don't know what quantum means. They can't handle it. What does that mean? And how it works. Anyway, the point is, looking at all that, do I see a pattern that says there's a specific meaningful fatigue atmosphere setting in on the wider culture over this specific brand or set of property? Oh, no, he's over there. He's over to the audio explanation. No, he moved. What the fuck is happening? How does that happen? He's moved. The audio change, fuck. Fatigue atmosphere setting in on the wider culture over this specific brand. He barely moved on my right now. I'm thinking like, how do you man? How do you do that? What happened? So if you look at his chairs also in a very different direct position, so I think he got up, went to the washroom or something, came back and he had to like move his mic arm to get in and out. We like slipped over a wire, pushed it, kicked it a bit and get something out. And now just the mic is somewhere else in like somewhere else slightly in relative to his to his mouth. And so now the mic should be a mono signal that he just turns over to stereo. So you should still get it in both sides. He's planned it to the right. He's he's it feels like he's fucked with the impulse. Like it can't possibly just be a do you think maybe he just is one of those people who doesn't know which side of his microphone to talk into? Could could it just be that? Could it just be that he's the back of his microphone? Oh, it's that way, wouldn't it? Constantly change like it's revolving. Well, but he's he's he doesn't know which side to talk into. Like whenever he grabs, sometimes he's talking in the front. Sometimes he's talking into the side. So that might actually be part of it. Yeah, because if I take mine and I talk into the back of my microphone, you sound like movie Bob. I mean, I sound like movie Bob. I can just talk to the back of my microphone like I've interrupted someone else's live stream and I've just arrived. Right. You're still coming out of both headphones. He's on the right side. I feel like that doesn't account for fully maybe he's just really dumb everybody. Wow. Right. Like this is I don't remember the meeting on whether or not movie Bob is dumb. We're going to do that on how microphones work. The specific meaningful fatigue atmosphere setting in on the wider culture over this specific brand properties beyond more conventional explanation of when you do the biggest global movie event of all time like Avengers Endgame and don't immediately retire and go home after anything you do as a pilot. He was out of breath. You heard that after he was getting it out. He was out of breath. I got the finish line. It's impressive in one way or another. I like him by the way. He's now contextualized the argument of fatigue down to of course they're not going to be as successful as Endgame like nobody fucking said that they're not making enough like they're not making as much as Endgame therefore fatigue. It's they're losing money now. Potentially for fatigue which is just kind of logical common sense. I mean no not really. No I don't. Now look if we're talking about social media or YouTube content or press coverage trends then yes absolutely the overarching trendline of default reaction to the general concept of the novel movies between Iron Man model. I think the point of the the footage in the background here is I guess it's to be like this is like it's editing you know but this is this is the evil assholes online clips from She-Hulk and he's talking currently about the evil assholes online. Yeah yeah. Some of us but we're coming up. He's saying that we're running the narrative and the trend that things are getting worse at Marvel. Well he's already showed the picture of you know EFAP in your video. So he did but we're back on the menu. The yep we're closing that loop. And right now 2022 has taken a complete 180 like as complete as a 180 can get in these cases from this whole thing I love is taking over the world and I am thrilled. How can I help boosterism back when all the way to now where it's more like this thing took over the world and it's an evil woke ill. Yeah which is crazy right. It's almost like they thought it got worse. Umanati global homo dystopia please join my crusade deliberate us from Mickey's tyranny but that's not fatigue that's changes in cultural positioning across the chronological passage of fucking hell. It's not even the same oh my it's not even in the same league it's not in the same ballpark. What is he talking about it's like two different friends right was that changes in chronological positioning just different times. I want to hear it again Illuminati global homo dystopia please join my crusade deliberate us from Mickey's tyranny but that's not fatigue that's changes in cultural positioning across the chronological passage as they relate to this oh my god across the chronology across the chronological passage of time with the fucking time otherwise. I'm understanding it right. He's saying that of course the political discourse and movie fatigued are not related dummy who's saying that well you are saying that Bob. Yeah he's made it seem like the only complaints people have about Marvel movies of the stuff like the woke versus not woke stuff and as though there's nobody just saying now the movies are just shit though. I mean like that most of the world just doesn't really care about that. I mean the box of his numbers on stretching it like hordes of people going to whether I don't sound like why would he's made the point that they don't care about online discussion but then why are they leaving to. But that's not fatigue that's changes in cultural positioning across the chronological passage of time. What are my favorite quotes ever so good. You have to be that smart to be so stupid the chronological passage of time you think you're so smart by saying that shit. Oh my god. I think the Mountain Dew is getting to his cerebellum there. Yeah the big nerd culture blockbuster explosion that culminated in the birth of the MCU in the 2010s the Disney buyout and then the Avengers was for the whole generation of not only younger millennial audiences but also elder millennial and Gen X writers and content creators in the entertainment press largely viewed as kind of a pop culture insurgency. They were good. People like they were good. It weren't good. They wouldn't have like launched anything probably there was at least something there that a lot of people were able to like latch on to and enjoy a formal B movie icons like Sam Raimi and Peter Jackson sweeping into a list Hollywood and taking over with big lavish production based on fucking Lord of the Rings and Spider-Man comics and however manufactured and oh yeah. He doesn't have to like more of the rings was like huge own book like yeah. Spider-Man's. Yeah. Huge. To remember before Peter Jackson there was there is like one to three different movies of it or shows of it. Same with Spider-Man Spider-Man's been around since like the 60s. I don't know why what's what points are you making? I'm not sure. Based on fucking Lord of the Rings and Spider-Man comics and however manufactured overstate it extremely low quality whole weird outsider rebels and we're taking over sentiment would turn out to be by the time it was still getting waved around on behalf of the Buffy guy doing the first Avengers movie. Yeah, it was a thing in the air but a decade. What was any of that? I don't understand what you're saying. What I'm a little bit lost myself. I don't know. I'm not sure. Maybe more of it will help. More of it will help. I am sure of it will become numb. It was a thing in the air but a decade is a long time and even when it doesn't also include two of the most historic ideologically divergent and socially fraught presidential administration's multiple military conflagrations viral plague across what? We say the movies badly written Bob. Even realize that most of the world is outside of America and all these movies are shown into well. Wait, there are people outside of America. You sure this is the movie Bob bread and butter right like everything is caused by everything else every minor issue entertainment or or video games or whatever. It all has to relate back to the larger geopolitical situation like this is what he does everything's about Trump or the war in Ukraine or about covid or about climate change. Whatever the fuck this is what he does to be fair. Trump did steal his Halloween in his room. Picture Trump is the Grinch with a bag that has Halloween in it. Trump ruining his Halloween was that just made the Thor movie that fall. I'm I'm actually waiting here to mention to mention Gamergate. We have like this is two videos in a row where we just haven't talked about the quality of the riot. Yeah. And the characters do anything they can to not talk about it. They will just never do it for that. Cosmo did talk about VFX for a brief second at least like the most substantive part of his video. It's not even his thoughts. Just stuff he's grabbed online. I spent shock people's ages views and social standings change a lot more than the continuum of a fictional universe of movies. Everyone still regularly goes to see that whole time that that fight was so many years ago. I'm a completely. What was what I'm actually tempted to re-roll as well because I don't know what the fuck this is being played for actually. I think he's saying because people's like quality of living is gone down because the economy you can't watch these movies because their situation hasn't changed. Is I think what is it and remember these are people that have gone through the snap and everything at this point. So yes it has but well you wouldn't know from some of the fucking Facebook projects. That over that decade gasp and shock people's ages views and social standings change a lot more than the continuum of a fictional universe of movies. Everyone still regularly goes to see that whole time that that fight was so many years ago. Okay. So it sounds like he's saying that our world has changed but the MCU hasn't right. And that's so we should expect some variation in. I guess audience size. You could say that might cause fatigue. Yeah you could say that. Yeah. Yeah. Completely different person now literally. Yeah. Is he trying to argue that it should have changed like whatever his opinions are that have changed that society then Marvel should actually just follow that. Is that his argument. I'm not actually sure at all what what he's trying to say here like see this is a different person 10 years on like but I thought you were just saying that the MCU hasn't really moved on. And it's about politics and whatever. Yeah. You just put it in here specifically that the optimistic nerdy booster insurgent rebellion new media voices at the start of the Marvel age are now very much representative of the mainstream established media overview of popular culture. So of course the only version of an edgy contrarian position that can exist profitably is performing negativity in the other direction. What the fuck does that mean Bob if I'm if I'm gathering these like say like it started as a bit of a rebellion in terms of culture it's it's introducing new stuff and it's a new thing but it's now become so mainstream that it can't really be supported and instead has to be fought against like it has the counterculture is developed around is that what he's trying to say because he's it is the mainstream now. I think that's absolutely what he said like that. So that can definitely account for some people's issues with the MCU but it's actually becoming less popular. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The slacker culture that teenagers in the 90s and 2000s kind of like lived in and enjoyed you know the jackass kind of you know that that's the prank culture and all that that has now become mainstream because that generation the millennials they're now adults actually producing the content and basically the next generation has a different cultural paradigm and they have a different way of viewing things and so the next so now you know these kids today that are coming up basically they're rebelling against kind of what movie Bob thinks is normal. It's like he's doing what his parents did what all of our parents did you know 20 years ago basically and I think he doesn't quite get it. I don't even think he's right though. I think Marvel movies have changed culturally over time. That's why they are getting rid of men. There are more female supported stuff. You do have them talking about socialist ants and how we can learn from them. So they have moved in the like the cultural perspective that he like even I can tell would agree with Cab and Iron Man's legacies have been they've been much more critical of them once they've left like in the new era they've had like all the Falcon the soldier was talking about like what does that shield mean and where's the brother is like man I thought he was like the guy was helping people as best he can whenever he can but he wasn't like wasn't the comments like you don't understand what it's like to be a black man holding this shield. Yeah there's so they fully embrace that. Yeah I mean the movies have changed with with the times of things have shifted because if you go back to I think it was Iron Man 2 when Tony Stark says I've privatized world peace. That's a very libertarian statement and it was it was presented it was presented positively. You wouldn't see that in the MCU now. Oh fuck no. So I think they have changed culturally for sure. Duh. Lisa. What are you rebelling against? What do you got? I like Simpsons. See this video is not worthless. Actors sure but I had hazard that's the main one and it's not really a puzzle to figure out. Fifteen years ago the MCU was to a degree any. Okay okay so he's saying that is the main reason. Right he just said that the counterculture there are other reasons but that's the main reason. We have packed into his thing is that it's it's as popular it's not more popular than ever but that's wrong. Right and the only reason that anybody is hating on it is because we're counterculture warriors. Pretty much which like I said doesn't really work when the general populace are getting bored of it. Big expensive Hollywood movie thing can. Yeah but he'd rather admit something else than the idea that oh maybe the general population doesn't like a particular trend of it. I like you know and want to see in things. What is the whole point of his video that there is no fatigue and all of this isn't happening. Well there is. Right there's fatigue for him and for other people too but but but those people they are just normies so like it's okay that they have fatigue because they're going to come back on the next one. Yeah they'll come back with what they realize it's fatigue is set in something. And so really all it is is just us tipsy and we're hippies here. Right. He's trying to rail at the man. Yeah we're like boo it's popular now boo when the whole point is that we're like hmm it's not popular now. Right be the weird new different nerdy outsider thing and now it's literally the Disney Channel it's McDonald's the suburb. I mean you say that as if Disney didn't take over after the like third movie or during the third movie right like Disney you got. Did he took control post what Ironman was it post Marvel in 2009. Yeah he's saying it like it's a new thing that this is Disney like it's not new. No it's always been well it's more or less always been Disney. Soccer moms and hybrid I mean shit my mom knows that there are two people called Hawkeye and has differing but positive opinions about each of them because of you. Is probably because it's probably because they're they're like you go back to the basement and they're just entertaining. You ran to your parents about the Hawkeyes. That's why that's why they know that movie Bob at this point he's 42 years old. What would that make his mother maybe 70. Of course it's because of him. He's reading a whole magazine. She's a Twitter warrior garden and Hawkeye. There are two people called Hawkeye and has differing but positive opinions about each of them in that context sections of the pop commentary at either tuning out or turning aggressively against the most mainstream thing in the mainstream isn't evidence of cultural fatigue but evidence of cultural entrenchment. He really is. You just wanted to talk about that. He didn't want to talk about moral fatigue at all. This is actually his argument though like this because this is the last minute of his video. This is his argument. The only reason we hate it. Right. The only reason that I go oh wow this movie is kind of bad guys is because I'm railing against the corporatocracy of Disney which in his argument was actually created by the millennials not so long ago and now you know here it is it just happens to be the big boy now and I just hate that thing dad pretty much the fuck Bob honor to introduce for the first time in Avengers campus. I don't know what the copyright deal is going to be on this thing. I guess we'll just try and be a little presumably he didn't get stroke of it. So I don't know you never know it might be the it's like it's streaming and videos that can sometimes be picked. Oh. We've had it on you've had before we'll be we'll watch a video and be like it's got to be safe. They have it and then fucking video goes down. I have to re upload with a copyright cover on it. It's like how the fuck do they get away with it. They don't. It's kamikaze maneuvers. Yep. They're just hoping that you'd yeah. If out bait that's what it feels like. So it's like this will get you. Come on finish whatever clip this is. Yeah. Is he recording. Is he recording this directly like you can see the lines of those just a filter is put on or they actually they that sounds like a lot of work. Well it might be. So this is something I've done before it might be like on some some weird side website when it's not on YouTube you have to go to the news site or something where they have their own player and you can't really download from them. So you just have to like screen. This would be other ways to be like something Disney would put on YouTube or think. Yeah you think this will be on YouTube. It's also weirdly out of focus. It's all very strange. Movie was like it's being filmed with an iPhone or something. Movie was fucked with it. What was this event. Why is he introducing himself. I guess because it isn't like a theme park thing or a Disney World thing. I think it's like some fan park thing. Yeah. He hasn't been in an Avengers movie yet as that guy. But okay. Is that Captain Marvel up there. Yeah. She's my favorite. This is really extravagant. Yeah. Fireworks. Why because you've got. Fireworks or do you want us to look at your cast. I wish I wish someone in the audience just held up a big side that had the box office gross for ad-bat on it. Just kind of like he's looking at like why you doing that. Why are you doing that time to go back. The Ant-Man box office numbers. It'll be like the Tiananmen Square in China. You're not allowed to talk about it. Kevin will get you. The only thing I've got going through my head is nerderotic going Miles Morales is Miles Morales. Over over again in the audience with it with a fucking foghorn or something. Whoa. What was that? Wow. Oh, why would you do that Bob? Oh, now it's getting. Oh, he's like he's hurt. He personally now. Yeah. Yes. You're scared. Part two coming soon. Oh. Wow. I can't wait for part two. I can't hear. What? Fucking loud. Oh my God. Oh, fuck you Bob. It's the style. It's so unified. Yeah, great. T-shirt on that link. Come on, look at that awesome T-shirt. Click on the link. I wait. I'm clicking on the link. But nothing's happening. And really into my. How fucking annoying is that $10? Yes, though. That's what you need to call the Internet stupid. You might be the first person ever to find that in. But they don't three one name three into the big picture. That's so weird. I'm pretty sure now. Now it is on YouTube. You can put merch links into like a clickable thing, right? I thought you could put the birch link in the description. Oh my God, Bob. Wait, can you not actually click it from the description? He hasn't put it in there. Oh, he didn't put it in his description. You have to admit if you really want it, this is how you keep the riff wrap out. If you really want that shirt, you got to go to that. Yeah. And I've been that shit one for one. When he beached one in the wild, he'd be like, this is one of mine. It's a true fun. Why would you want that shit? So it's their shit. I mean, right? But also a domain is ten dollars, right? You could get movie. Give yourself enough to make a comm slash merch or something. You know. No, you have four, five, eight, zero, three, one, nine dash. The dash big dash picture dash comics that are that's stupid. I see people like, OK, so pot to that. It's like pot to is 20 minutes. I was going to I'm saying we're not going to do. But I can't bear it. I don't like although I went to the shirt. I like I googled it. Google's better than just having to type that in manually. He should have just said Google Redbubble. Um, but that's not even that's not even the link that's there on his image. Is it not? No, look. Oh, yeah, it's different score. It's a completely. Oh, my goodness. That's XYZ at the end. Just it's just different. Does his link actually work? That'll let me type it in manually and see because I hate myself. All right, so I just want to I want to try and OK, because this is this is part one of two. So ostensibly in part two, he's going to elucidate further. Apparently, most so that he did this one. What did he say in this video, though? He said Malphite isn't real and it's mostly just you battling against something that's more popular now than it was before. Yeah, we're doing that because we're raging against the machine. Yeah. And also because we're not normies. Yeah. If you do it manually, it is sort of interesting, right? Because the common theme of both videos is no discussion about the writing or like the storytelling. No, or the production. We didn't even talk about the films. Let me be fair. I was going to say you need to have likeable characters. It needs to be. Yeah, at least he talked about the film. He didn't do it much or well, but he did. In this case, it was like all matter. It was all about the current landscape. We didn't even get to talk about the movies. Movie Bob didn't talk about the films themselves. Like, what does he have to say about any of those films? What does he have to say about multiverse of madness? And I guess you'd be like, well, I probably did a review on him. It's like, might be worthwhile to like encompass them in discussions about the nature of fatigue, because how does it factor into your perception of fatigue? If the films are considered good. Do good films suffer from fatigue? Why do people not like the films? And how about you like try to make a good faith inferences to why people don't like those films other than like they're evil or something? No. Well, yeah, like one minute sentences. Holy crap. Yeah, fully a minute long sentence. You said you didn't learn much or. Minute long sentences were sped up and filled with superfluous words. Awesome. And superfluous cuts and editing because he should just just stop. His arms around when he talks because it's wearing him out. Well, it's just the changes in audio quality. What was that? And like a variety of changes in audio. It wasn't even just keeps the viewer on the toes of yes, because you're going to be like, whoa, what just happened? What I miss because it could have just been the standard one of when he was recording in front of the webcam. It's different audio quality from when he was sitting in front of his microphone, but it was like degrees within there. Like it was it was like odd. It's like an art performance. Yeah, there was one clip where he had just panned it to the right and not realized, which is why it flipped back immediately afterwards. I don't think even what happened. How does he not notice that in post and go, shit, I should probably fix that. Well, pride in your work, man. Absolutely. Yeah. So weekend, you said you're gonna have to jump out. Yeah, it's 7 a.m. Well, before you do, why don't you tell people what you've been doing lately and where they can find you? Well, everyone, I chat and everyone. I am weekend warrior. I usually do a movie reviews and video game reviews. And my last review was a few months ago about She-Hulk and I'm working on a video about Hogwarts Legacy and that game is just just. Was that mean? Oh, you'll find out. I'm working on it. So please be patient. So thanks for having me, guys. It's been a it's been a minute and it's been an enjoyable. Oh, well, thanks for coming on, dude. I always appreciate it. Aside from fucking movie Bob and I can't believe I'm going to say this. I didn't know you did that to him. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but. Cosmonaut is better than movie Bob. Yeah, yes, I think it's there's a pain to movie Bob. That's so unique. You can't get that pain in many places. So yeah. So, okay, that's it guys. Have a great day evening or night wherever you are in the world and if you are and my last word for the day night evening afternoon is exercise and don't drink Mountain Dew. That's it. Yeah. Do not drink Mountain Dew with it. Have a good one, guys. Don't do the dew. Yeah. Don't do the dew. Sorry, why? Shut up, Jake. Oh my God. Okay, I want to leave too. Well, before you go, Bob ruined me. I want to go before you go. Tell people you're up to where they can find you. What you doing? Oh, well, I just released a Gotham High Review. That's on my channel and I got it. Something else coming out little fun video, but I'm not going to say anything about that. Yeah, working on doing some reviews here and there. We, you know, me and you guys recorded something. I have to add that and get I'm not going to say what that is either. I'll let that be it. But yeah, channels J Longbone. Check it out. More fun things to come. Hey, yeah, kind of post posting stuff semi regularly. I assume you like Gotham Knights. Like you think it's very strong as a sort of new. Oh, it's the best. It's the best. It's the little sister of Batman and we all know how much I love that. Oh, yeah. Very sure. Well, I'll be excited and good stuff. Links are all in the description so you can check out J Longbow's channel and you should. I'd be surprised if anyone in chat hadn't at this point, but you know, some new people have run to the wall. But of course, yeah. Thank you for joining us as well. It's been a ride. Yeah, you guys are great. Hello, just this Peru. I didn't get a chance to introduce myself. Oh, no, that's the thing. I was watching your videos before I started making my own. Your batwoman stuff is the blind. Great. Yeah. Well, yeah, thanks for having me guys. Bye. Yeah, goodbye. See you later. See you. Yeah, we plan is pretty much to wrap up here anyway. So we can continue this train. Yes, actually. Oh, I always have to go for 12. What? I was looking forward for the second movie about video. I don't fuck that. I need to do it on your own stream. I am. I am good to go. Like we can winner. You this is your subconscious telling you that it's time for you to bring back the segment where you have your your movie Bob watch. Yeah, look how devs like, oh, you know, you take too much food. You feel kind of sad about it. Now he's like more, more, more, more, more. I haven't I haven't hit my limit yet of Bob. I have Bob tolerance built up. Well, to stop that series up. That's that's more than enough Bob for a normal size person. Oh, we are. We can do it. I have Bob fatigue. Bob. There is something that's draining about Bob like something about. Oh, yeah. Like he's. Yeah, seriously. Yeah. It takes effort to sort of watch his videos. Mm hmm. Yeah, like you have to really get in there and be like, what the fuck? Yeah, you have to listen really carefully. It's presented horribly. So it's just annoying. And then you have to like go back and re listen to parts of it because it's either just nonsensical or it doesn't have anything to do with what was being said before. Or you just couldn't hear because the words are going by too fast. Fucking minute long sentences. Like I have to go back a full minute to figure out what you were even saying. Yeah, we had to do a lot of like running back, listen again and again and again. It's just like that's a real great sign for the channel for him. Isn't it that people who desperately want to understand what he's saying have to fucking rewind over and over again. It's like, they're going from left to right disperu. What have you been up to lately and where can people find you? Yeah, just from YouTube this week Gotham Knights skipped a week and it's weird. You start getting people go, where's your Gotham Knights review? I'm like, it's not out. I was, yeah, I was kind of glad I just got to skip a week, but apparently not everyone else. There are actually people going, I have a number fixed this week. I need to see what happened. So, you know, CW gets you in trouble because people just think you didn't make a video about this at the time. What did you think of the Court of Owl masks? I'd not seen the originals once I'd seen the comics. I was like, okay, the design is at least a bit like the comics, but they should have been sized correctly. They were way too big. They hung down beneath each character's chin and just made them look like. We thought they looked like shit and we were laughing our heads off seeing them. They look like junky growth. I thought they did, but then someone showed me a picture of the comics and I'm like, they didn't look great in the comics. Yeah, like the comic ones are better because they're much more minimalist like they're smaller thinner and just they're kind of like creepier too. The ones in the show I just thought they look embarrassing. I was like, it is. Why would you? Yeah, I would have made them like more face fitting like individually done, but it just looked like whoever designed them got one size fits all, but to make sure it fitted all, it was five times bigger than anyone else's head. You would think that the court of owls could afford to size their own, you know, owl masks. You know, that would probably be a point of flight. Yeah. There's just a bin and they just take one out of the bin and put it on and it's like whatever. And that entire scene, it wasn't really very atmospheric. Somebody, because I'd seen Gotham, but I couldn't really remember it in particular. And there was a bit in that and there was lots of like candles behind them. It had a very ominous kind of atmosphere. And in this, it just kind of walked in a room with what was probably like a microphone tape recorder, because I doubt those are the actual heads of the court of owls kind of thing. So yeah, you just lacked any kind of, if these are meant to be your big villains, they should be scary and they're not at all. Oh yeah. And from memory, you've, you've fully covered Velma, right? So people can go check if they really, really want to. Yeah, Velma was impressive. Gotham Knights is your current obsession, I just assume. Do you do Mando? Do you do all the Mando? I was going to do Gotham Knights and Mando and then they came out on the same day because one's like, comes out at about sort of 2 a.m. here and then Mando's at 8 a.m. And I just can't do two videos on the same day. Takes me an entire day to do a review. And the Mando stuff wasn't really getting views that if I released it a day late, it would have died. It's unfortunate actually that it didn't launch as bad as it ended because then I would have been like, well, okay, this'll at least get sort of the interest to keep on going through. But no, I chose Gotham Knights to cover. Well, as I said, link in description. Check it out. Plenty of these going to be something on Disbru's channel. You'd be interested in his opinion on, I'm sure you could also go full of willow, wheel of time, rings of power. You're still doing rings of power videos, right? Like updates on different things. I was on the same coming out. Yeah, there's a few things that I've got coming. There's I want to do something about the the writers Guild strike because I think that's probably the most stupid thing you can do right now. Like everyone's losing money and getting fired. So you decide to ask for a wage increase. It's not exactly the smartest thing to do. And then this weekend is Jordan con. So if there's enough wheel of time stuff to do, then I'll do a video on that. Con Jordan con as in Robert Jordan. Never heard of it. It is the the original author of wheel of time. But because the TV series is coming out, there's got a lot of second series kind of info casting that kind of stuff. That makes total sense. But for some reason I was thinking of wings of redemption. Jordy Jordan. No. You're. I don't know why. Just came to mind. I can imagine throwing Jordy con at his house and inviting nobody in just telling people a concert in Newcastle. So you just got a load of Jordy's. Great. Mr. Moriarty. How you doing? Spent a while. Hey, what do you have to these days? Where people find you? Well, my my YouTube is really cool. It's youtube.com slash really cool. And I make like hour long videos about things that interest me. Most recently I did a thing where I looked at IGN and their review scores and I broke down kind of how they work and all the problems with it. I talked about Ubisoft and Wordle and game preservation stuff, lots of stuff, fashion, high fashion in video games. If you like intellectual dives into video games, Moriarty is guy for you. Yeah, you know, I do that kind of stuff where I'll talk about something that's just purely interesting to me for a long time. And sometimes it's interesting to other people. I talked about limited run for a little while and that one people seem to have enjoyed, I guess. Oh, good stuff. I'm being told the links in the channel of the description aren't working. It's apparently all of them are broken like they always break metals one. So I will fix that on the re-upload. I don't know what's going on there. So don't you worry. But obviously, thank you Thunder for providing links regardless. And yeah, you can find really cool. You said the channel is cool, dear. Yeah, I was really cool. I wanted to be able to say my YouTube was really cool. It was worth it. Kind of person I am. Deb, you still here, Sa? Right. Of course I am. Yes. Well, why don't you tell people what you do, where you are, what you're doing. Okay. What I'm doing right now is getting canceled. No, no. Well, yes, but also I do a YouTube channel where I basically do whatever I want. Like I've done politics stuff. I've been gaming stuff. I've done like movies. I've done watch alongs kind of like yours with with Arch and some other friends. I just my channel has kind of morphed into just like a dev channel. You know? Hmm. Well, that's that's neat. That's good. Yeah, I did. I've done like tiktok reactions to like like really, really low effort content tiktok reactions where it's just like the most ridiculous people being being ridiculous in public. And then I also did like an hour and a half long no, no, about an hour and a half long video. I think talking about Antonio Gramsci, the Italian communist from the 1920s and 30s and how his his his writing and how his writing influenced politics from then onwards. So I have a very wide range of the things that I do. Well, that sounds tempting. Everybody get in before he's canceled. You can't watch anymore. So that way. Thanks. Thanks very much, guys. Well, and thanks for coming on, of course. There's just just memes here that are with hecking out. This is actually this this Kylo with with this dinosaur. This is what we were talking about 65, which I'd be surprised by what we remember now. It's already like did forgot. But yes, does it hurt? Well, this is like a forgotten movie already. Yeah, is referencing a much older meme of ours. This is a classic meme. This is one of the this is an old. Yes, this is good old Kylo. He keeps an eye on people when they go to the toilet. He's making sure they're okay, really. Yeah, and you know, the dinosaurs on the, you know, on the loop, making sure he just wants to know if things doesn't happen. This isn't another one. I don't know if we showed it, but I was talking about how this ambition for the bitch in Resident Evil could be this is a giant clown running around the whole village and desperately wants you to come out. Traitor comes run away. Stranger. This should be DLC for this. I think it would it would be good. I like the little squeaks on the shoes to it's a it's a perfectly rendered clown. I would say that it's a good looking all clowns look like that or or better or worse and you have a hot off the presses meme. Oh my God. What is hell at night time? Dine on Turtles suit. Oh my God. Wow. Look at that. It's his own personal Vietnam. Right? Yes. I get it. Beautiful. They've even got the canisters of Mountain Dew that he's breathing in through the nose. We can worry would be proud. And the do is the bottles. It looks like. Yes. I wonder if you could fly with those. Just feel suitable. But that's beautiful. We got through it on all the coupons. Oh, movie Bob, you are just you are magical chicken instead of bullets on the band. Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. There's so many details. It's the important supplies. So what does his tattoo say? Grandma. Grandma. Yeah. Remember, you know, in his butt of devs. Your relationship has grown a lot closer ever since she lost her hearing. I wonder what's up with that? But they tend to get along together a lot better now. That is beautiful. Rags, Fringy. Anything you guys wanted to mention? Talk about whatever. Fringy. Mando episode seven and working on it. It's coming boys. Yeah. Right. For me, just kind of working away in the background a little bit here and there. Don't want to make promises, but things are in the works. We as for EFAP stuff, you pretty much consistently now you're going to be getting super chat catchups on Wednesdays for the foreseeable future. I think we're going to be able to keep that up now in terms of it's like a scheduling it. You can think of it as like first and second halves of episodes can come out in more bite-sized formats and it gives us time to be able to recharge properly and maybe even sleep. I know one of us is looking to do that soon. And then yeah, you got your Mando's are coming out and the Gotham Knights are being prepped. They're hopefully going to come out, but there's no guarantees on like a certain consistent release for them. And then in the meanwhile, just a lots of other things have been working on more announcements and fun adventures through all kinds of media to come. But for now for tonight, we hope you all had a wonderfully fun time. We shall be seeing you in the in the future in a different place at a different time. Who knows what it will be? Like I said, remember we we we were in the we were in relatively close proximity to Movie Bob for quite a while. So make sure you go outside and get some fresh air stretch your legs a little bit. Maybe drink some water. You know, eat a eat a vegetable. Just really make sure that you can that cleanse your system. Even if it's just the one vegetable, just go right in there. Even if it's just even if you just got a yank a yank a broccoli out of the fridge and just chomp it down raw man. Sometimes you know, sometimes that's what it takes. But thank you all for your kind messages and donations and well, just the general company. But for now, I'll be doing you good night. Goodbye and we shall see you next time. Have a good one everybody. Bye bye.