 Hello everyone and welcome to episode 35 of for the minions the weekly show where we track some of the Paragon Esk games that should be coming out in the near ish future I'm your host the one and only man who's joining me as always is my lovely co-host Mandy Malmady. How you doing? I'm doing good, and I'm excited because I'm weirdly excited because we're gonna talk about Genesis And I didn't think I'd be excited to talk Genesis, but I am so We also have a really exciting returning guest. He really needs no Introduction, I mean mr. MOBA himself. We have Briddick. How are you? Oh, whoa? I want to go down for us I like that I might not have to change my name now. Yeah, thank you It's always a lot of fun to be on this show. I love you guys you guys are always so much fun I'm sure everybody knows who Briddick is but Briddick guys Just go ahead and give us you know your little rundown in your background just in case people don't know you yeah, so as Both with Mongoose and Mandy Mal. I was really big in the Paragon community I was one of the first Paragon youtubers to start making guides and tips videos for Paragon and then once Paragon shut down I Started following these Projects I first start off with visionary games who I hope are still alive I believe in them and I start off with them with project Phoenix Rising and then oh another one popped up And then another one popped up and then I just you know kept following them along and kept making news videos for these projects and They're still working so I still I still make the news videos when they are Big news, but I mostly leave that up to Mongoose now because you just got such an awesome setup going on here that I feel Like he just covers everything that I usually can't Especially with the release of Genesis I've been really focusing on that a lot and that's another big reason as to why I'm here so I can talk about that and educate People who might not know what Genesis is about what's going on Yeah, but that's just about it Yeah, I'm a theory. Oh, I've often said is my favorite. I never would have known about a theory Oh, if it wasn't for you, you uh You're the one that turned me on to that game right there It's like we're setting each other up with dates. They're like each other's wingman And you're the cock blocker That's me Let's move on into news and updates. Most of the news and updates this week not a lot went on I'm going it mainly came from a meta. They were adding in Movement speed penalties for auto-attacking which I think you don't get a penalty if you are melee But you do if you if you miss if you're melee, but you do if you're arranged. I think that's good I think that's balanced. I think that's how it worked in Paragon. I'm not exactly sure a predictor, you know a Movement delay with with melee heroes. I think it was yeah, just anytime you swung I mean, this is the same concept with range like anytime you auto-attacked you had that movement delay penalty regardless of whether you hit someone or not I think they're taking it out for melee if you if you miss Interesting. Oh, it's gonna be cool. Yeah, no, that was that's slightly different then yeah be something to test out See how it works. I'm sure if it's a little overpowered. They'll change it up and that's what the office for and Then I'm I mentioned that they were probably gonna be doing a 2v2 match They they ended up not doing that he might still do it this week. So stay tuned to Smokey's channel They did do an internal 5v5 test and they did find some more bugs Which is not great news, but it's you know, it's good that they're finding them now before they get everything out and all the The games out into the public's hands. So they just they're trucking forward Like I said predecessors just picking up the pace lately They just everything everything I've been putting out is mainly all predecessors. So Oh made a fan of Joyce Yeah, Smokey's been grinding Yeah, he's been on it Yeah, he's the big big Oh made a fan here. Yeah, I just can't help it They're like the little hometown hero that I just cheer for and I just love him so much and I think he has a really realistic You know plan for this game. So that's what makes me so hopeful for it He seems yeah, and it's great that he actually he just he like lets people know that like hey We did some tests, but there were some bugs and we need to fix those like yeah, they're not trying to hide that shit They're letting people know. Oh, yeah, we got some problems with the games, but we're trying to fix it Yeah, also the smallest team, but they've put out By far the most they put out a playable game. Nobody else has done that I mean, I mean made a buff is as far as we see heroes, but as far as we've seen But I'm sure like the ethereal boys got something cooking. Oh, yeah Yeah, we just haven't seen yet and there are actually they got a lot more heroes to work on to ethereal And they got to build everything from the ground up. Yeah, I'm excited to see what they have to show I think the way their marketing has has been going on a little more recently is the is the best way to go Because I feel like they're just gonna drop bomb and just gameplay. I hope that's the way it goes Anything else say about omitted studios Well, I uh, I really like that smoky Just constantly is answering questions to while he's working on it I could actually physically see him getting very distracted by that because he's always asking He's always answering all these questions that people keep asking and most of the time They're just questions that he's answered in previous streams, too so I know how he feels about doing that because When I first started doing the post-paragon project videos people would do the same to me in my youtube comments And that's where the whole meme like is it gonna be on ps4 came from it's like, yeah, okay I've answered this 75 thousand four hundred sixteen times now. Yeah, it's it's common. Don't worry So I just I want to give a shout out to Sarge and and company and they're just doing a they're doing a great job And they're doing a Lord's work basically No, let's move on to ethereal not much coming from them. They're doing some internal structuring. So there's No big updates for this week the the website update There was there were some problems with the with the design of the website And they had to they had to redo some things there So that's gonna be a little later than I thought too. So my apologies for getting everybody hyped up I thought I was I was a little hyped up myself I'll try to be a little more careful in the future about that and make sure I know for sure When things are gonna come out before I announce them like that. So my bad dog It happens to the best of us. I've been Getting a lot of oopsies in my pocket lately No worries there. It's so easy to get wrapped up You know that hype monster it grabs you so it's really do especially when you're passionate about project to you. Yeah, exactly We're all very passionate here We both said the same thing And then uh moving on to made above they had Opless sent me some questions they had answered over but it was all stuff that I've covered on the show before and it was all Stuff in the frequency last question. So I didn't think it was really something to really go over and update. So I Know people are are thirsty for those core updates, but I just don't got them for you. I'm sorry Like I said, they're gonna be they're gonna be running silent for a while Just like just like visionary games has been doing for a very long time Core is probably gonna do the same until they have, you know, a big a big bomb to drop on us You said that thirsty as soon as I started drinking from my water bottle This is very good good timing. Yeah. Yeah A good opportunity to let people know to check the back and see maybe the question they want to ask is in the frequently Asked questions. Maybe check that out. People don't read the frequently asked questions. That's why we're here Yeah, no pretty much too long didn't read that's yeah No, but uh, uh since since we're here, um, do you guys you guys think course dead? Do I do I think course dead is core dead? Oh? No, of course not dead. Um, I Yeah No, I don't I don't think they're dead. I think they Hit a hiccup they hit a hiccup and they're gonna Do their best to roll over it and and keep going such is the game development life So I've been led to believe I don't know anything about I've never developed the game I'm personally I'm just a little iffy about the updates that I get from them anymore because I Didn't like the way they presented their ps4 thing in the proof of concept I think it was very misleading and I think it was intentionally Misleading to make people think that the game was you know set and definitely coming to ps4 as I've said a million times that was just the Acceptance of the terms and conditions for Sony and it is a step in the right direction But it's a small step and it's definitely not the step they need to take to get the game on ps4 There's a lot of things they need to do But the way that was presented in the proof of concept made a lot of people believe that Core is the one that's going to be on ps4 and that none of the other ones are going to be on ps4 So I didn't care for that. I also didn't care for the way they presented the alpha roster changes They told us that it was the Yeah, community was asking for for these changes community wanted sparrows that are revenant I bought that one. I was like, okay. Yeah, I can see where people would want sparrows that are revenant But then they were like, oh the community wanted to think now and decorate phase and quang I'm like, no, okay. Yeah, definitely. No Replacing because it was programming Oh 100% that's what it was. Yeah, I think they're in the same boat honestly as visionary games right now I think they're doing a lot of internal rebuilding they've they've had a lot of a drama going on in there a lot of legal stuff going on in there I think they're just trying to pick back up where they left off and it probably lost a lot in the process, too so That's probably what they're doing now is they just retreating and recovering But, you know, just give them time I didn't anticipate anything from any of these companies anytime soon But started smoking actually has instilled quite a bit of faith in me recently And I truly believe he might be able to show us something before the year ends The other thing with made about two on the other side of it people that have left made about for constantly constantly sending me stuff Disparaging made above but I have no way of seeing of knowing if that what they're saying is true either So if like the way I'm handling it is if it affects the game Like if they put out a major gameplay update that I can sink my teeth into and see that it's a real thing Then that's what I'm going to track as far as the rumors and shit go I don't give a fuck as long as if it's just a bunch of rumors and T-time gossip I don't give a shit I want to know about core and where core is in the development process and it sucks for the people that get They get fired from made above or leave made above and I feel bad for them, but End of the day everybody wants to know about the game They don't want to know about all the gossip behind the scenes. So Yep World we live in And now let's move on to to a visionary and Phoenix rising. Well, we don't have anything for them I did have somebody ask recently what's going on with them. So I'll just go over it real quick They had a break just like core did back in November They had it was creative differences within their company and they had a major split They lost a lot of assets lost a lot of progress However, since then while they have been silent, they have been working really hard. They've got a road map they've got a way ahead and That way ahead for now is to first make a 3v3 one lane demo map. That's not what they're trying to make They're not just making a 3v3 one lane map That's just a demo map that they want to show people, you know, how far they've come with and then after that they will continue with the full Five versus five three lane map. So visionary is not dead. They're just very quiet and very apprehensive about Overhyping their game when they have nothing to show for it So they're there they want to they want to show you the money instead of asking for it So that's that's where we are with visionary games in Phoenix rising Yeah, anybody else got anything? Just bust a lot to do them. Keep their before keep their little mad scientist coats on keep working Yeah, even when everyone stops believing in them, that's always the best time to Strike and show what they've been working on and just load the whole thing wide open because It's basically like that situation where you're in high school and there's this kid in class who says he's going to be the next big rapper or whatever And you know, everyone makes fun of him. He's he's going to like all these little local Open mics and stuff and everyone's making fun of him and everything and then a couple of years go by and then they see him on the billboard charts Now they're trying to like oh dude, remember me from high school like all that stuff So it's probably if it does blow up It could be a similar situation of that and everyone's everyone's gonna care anymore about all the all the turmoil and stuff They're just gonna care that the games out and they want to play the game and that's it. Yeah Yes, that's the same way I feel about core I think once core actually comes releases and all this stuff is just going to be a memory. So If you guys want to look into any of these games I'll include all their social medias in the description below so you can check out their discord YouTube's whatever they whatever they got But let's move on now to the poll results for this week, which I'm not too happy about The poll is for the most impactful ultimate it was between Wukong Yen and Zinx Wukong one You know my large margin with 61% of the vote I think the top comment in the for the poll was from me. I'll mix for men and I totally agree He said like most of us. I thought it should be race ultimate and then I voted for stupid busted Wukong And I think that that's right on the buddy Wukong I think his ultimate was probably one of the by far one of the most impactful ultimates in the game But I don't think it was Good, I don't think it was a good thing for the game. I mean they did have to pull him out for a while It was impactful in the way that made him OP and taking objectives. It wasn't impactful in the sense of Strategy and winning in a team fight like Wraiths was I think definitely Wraiths has a More more impactful old there because there's some crazy stuff you could do with that I remember multiple times just surprising everybody in the orb prime pit as a five-man stealth There's it's our it's a route if they don't have wards to ugly stuff Never able to pull that off. That's awesome So anyway, the the bracket is set now. I've been doing these for a while So now we're gonna get down to the nitty-gritty and find out who you guys think is the most impactful ultimate It's gonna be Aurora against Wukong Muriel against Kuang Kalari against Severog and steel against Gideon and then we'll move on from there and then Find out who is gonna be number one deal and Gideon is gonna be a hard one. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. I Think I think some of these are pretty obvious who's gonna win But I don't know who's gonna win between Aurora and Wukong and I don't know who's gonna win between steel and Gideon I would I would personally I I don't actually I don't want to I don't want to affect the polls I don't want to affect them. I don't want to influence them. I want her to be as unbiased as possible I'll tell you who I think after but yeah So now that that's it for the polls, let's move on to the highlight reel We've got three of them three new ones I didn't have to dip into to my old old clips this time So and we got one of them from Ruba friend of the show part of the show Ruba I still need to get him back for tech time But anyway, let's enjoy the highlight reel The first clip this week is coming to us from foolish blood hunter playing Kalari coming in after this Murdoch. Oh She has to flip away. She has to get away before the quang could take her out But Murdoch does not get away the crippling dagger Threads the needle we get to watch this again from Murdoch's point of view. Look how far away Kalari is Whipping that dagger out. Oh, it's a deceptively long range on that dagger He kind of jumped into it eats the dagger gets taken out For this next clip we got up suicidal trying to take the river buff throws down the ward smart decision on his part However phase and revenant were coming in hot on his tail. He immediately makes it rain They're going to try and get out He knocks him right back in with that mind But are you going nowhere picks up phase with that R2000 rocket But count is hard on his ass almost takes him out very low health Fing mal to the rescue and he walks away Final clip got a big old wombo combo. This is for Maruba. He's playing our favorite flat titty Drono here Watches everybody gets grouped up nice and tight comes off the top rope with a big smash and grab knocks them up Steel comes down with the shield slam and holy crap several is like nope. Nope. I'm done I'm out it takes out four members the fly trap to smash and grab the uppercut the shield slam the chop Everything just unleashed on that team. We get a slow mo. Look at this Look at this excellently placed fly trap brings them in for a group hug and speaking of group hugs Coming off this top rope is Rubo on grok's warlords challenge into the huge four-person smashing grab and then sure you get hit some with the uppercut a big old chop and Steel is going to seal the deal by slamming that big old shield down Awesome play awesome play All right guys welcome back. Hope you enjoyed those highlights I'm gonna move on now to the topic for discussion and we're gonna be talking about Genesis something that I have zero experience with other than watching other people play but uh Mandy's played a little bit and Bridek has played a lot of it. So I'm gonna turn a little too much turn it over to Bridek Bridek want you want you to let us know about Genesis Well, actually, I kind of want to hear Mandy's experience with it first Okay, um that makes me nervous No, I I told goose it's so funny I was playing and I was like making little notes because I wanted to have an educated opinion and I wanted to Eventually hopefully make a video on YouTube talking about my opinions on it And I noticed that all my notes sounded really negative, but I was still having fun So I was like this is weird. This is weird like There's and and I I kind of went through them again today. I was like all of this is I I think fairly easily fixable The little things that I've noticed so I guess I'll just start with my little The main thing that kind of Aggravated me was I personally was having trouble and this could just be me. I was having trouble matchmaking not matchmaking Staying in a party like after every single game I have we have to remake a party like I said, these are these are little these are kind of insignificant and probably can be fixed It's fixed with patches, but it's just something I noticed The other thing I noticed is I'm really having a hard time noticing pings on the map Like when my teammate is like go to the boss or whatever they call their version of or prime I was like, oh, I barely noticed that like I just you know, I was having a hard time noticing those again That's probably something that a couple of patches can can resolve And then one thing that I noticed and I'm I want to hear Friddick's opinion on this I noticed that there's no color difference in Abilities if you like say there's two apollos, which there's always two apollos or to what was the other one? I noticed E 60. I think his name is E 60 some of their ability colors were the same Color like so I when in a team fight. I was like, I don't know if that's my guy I don't know if that's the opposing teams guy I'm just getting out of there because I don't know who's it who's it was so that was something that I just noticed Easily, I would assume easily fixable with a patch My biggest thing and I'm really nervous to say this I don't like the kill cap. I'm not enjoying the kill cap now every time I've said that to anybody They have said you should never be reaching 60 kills. Anyways, you should never be reaching 60 kills 90 I would say these are all statistics. I've made up but 90 percent of my defeats have probably come from the kill cap I'm confident enough to say 70% of those have come when I we've been ahead as far as having towers down having objectives completed but the kill cap gets us every time so I Don't know if that's lack of experience. I don't know. I don't know. I'm interested I really want to hear what British has to say about the kill cap because in a in a way. I think it's innovative. It's It stands out from other MOBAs as far as I know there might be kill caps and other MOBAs that I'm not one that I've ever played It sets Genesis apart and I get that it's to keep people from kind of turtling along and Prolonged drag, you know drug out Games but does it make people play too aggressively and forget objectives? That's kind of my You know, so that's really all I have to say. I think I think I got everything That was that was that's pretty good for a little bit of experience. That was actually pretty good Yeah, you nailed that first statement You said where it seems like everything is wrong with the game, but you're still having fun with it That literally nails it right on the head like I'm in the same boat where I made a pros and cons video and there were at least double the cons that there were to the pros and So like the one or two pros are basically like it's a fun game. So Let's talk about the kill cap first so the kill cap is A very common way to win right now because it seems like there's just not that many people who quite grasp the concept of MOBA Realize that MOBAs are you know, PC dominant and it's the same It's the same situation as it was with Paragon where a lot of console players are trying their very first MOBA for the very first time And this is also a traditional isometric MOBA like League or Dota 2 It's not like Smite or Paragon where it's third-person thing. This is a little bit different in that regard and so They don't really understand the concept of slow pushing a minion wave Diving towers taking towers taking inhibitors setting waves Rotating taking bosses and all that stuff. They kind of just oh, that's an enemy I'm gonna go kill him kind of thing especially with the way the targeting system works in the game where the priority is usually set to the Enemy hero where even if you're farming minions even if you're taking tower The game still wants you to focus on the enemy hero But you can you can switch the priorities to structures and minions But it still prefers heroes so if the hero is getting like real real close to you and let's say you just like you panic and you forget to switch that priority the game helps you out a little bit and Switches to that hero for people who are experienced like I am in MOBAs That's a little annoying because I know exactly what I want to target at exactly what time because sometimes like I'm just trying to just Last down the last 10% of the towers health But then their tank just jumps in front of me like like a like when a steal would like shield slide in front of you And just knock you out of the way I just try to get the tower but this guy's in front of me and the game just auto locks back on him So I can't get that objective and then I die under tower because I'm too busy trying to hit that But in reality, I'm hitting the hero. So that's a different thing in itself, but the kill count I like for pubs I think it's fine. I think like you said it keeps games from going out too too long I Have not been on the receiving end of losing to the kill counts as much as I believe Mandy has I have been winning a lot That is not that's a weird flex, but okay a moment right there, but I've also been winning Quite easily and quite quickly using the MOBA method like we would win games on about 20 to 25 minutes Just and we would already have their inhibitor down or they're called barracks in that game We'll have their barracks down already So it really just depends on who you're playing against if you're playing against a good team Then at the end of the game It'll be like 55 to 55 kills and then like inhibitors down on both sides And it'll get really intense because then do you go for their core and risk dying and losing to that kill cap or Do you try and bake them and win with the kill cat? It's really interesting I think for ranked mode it could work out wait to gotta wait and try that out My biggest gripe with it is the respawn timers the respawn timers are very very short Which makes it hard to push lanes and there's a mechanic in the game mongoose where Instead of backing you have a teleport where you can teleport back to base or you could teleport to an ally structure like your tower Yeah, so so well, it's it's like teleport and lol Okay, so it's an on an 80-second cooldown and you can either choose to teleport back to base or you could teleport to a tower on Your side, so let's say you die right you die in the middle of a team fight in the middle of mid lane And then you die and you have your respawn timer when you die this teleport it doesn't go on cooldown So when you respawn all you have to do is just teleport back to that tower That's in the mid lane and you're back in the fight right then and there So it's really hard to push down objectives because the respawn timers are so quick Or you have to change the teleport mechanic to just be a basic, you know You're typical back and then you have this teleport mechanic But it's like a doubled cooldown or something because it's such a short cooldown that you can do it Every time you go back to base or every time you die you can you can do it very very quickly so My fix is just to increase the respawn timers And the way the respawn timers work is they don't go based off of the in-game clock at the top like in Paragon Yeah, they go based off of your current level So if you're like a level 8 and even though I mean you should never be level 8 and 30 minutes into a game But if you're level 8 and you're 30 minutes into a game your respawn timers like 10 seconds 15 seconds compared to somebody who's level 20 25 their respawn timer is I believe 40 or 50 I forget what the cap is but it is it is very very Yeah, it's it's really It incentivizes you to play the team deathmatch instead of the MOBA for sure Especially if the other team has no idea what they're doing and they're just overextending in lane And you just keep getting easy ganks and you start building a double-digit kill lead at that point You kind of just want a death ball and just run them over because at that point They're so far behind that they can't even teamfight you properly unless you really really mess up So yeah, so you're right. You're right Mandy It does feel like more people go for the kills than they do for the objectives most of my games you The majority of my games we have one through the kills rather than getting the enemy core I would like to see that changed. I am a MOBA Enthusiast at and it's classical roots so I really want to win the MOBA by playing a MOBA and not a team deathmatch but Going back to the positive. It is really really fun And I think it's really fun because the action is constant because people are Teleporting back to the fight because people are constantly keep trying to go for those kills. It stays close There's also just like there was in the beginning of the Paragon days. There's a lot of imbalance There's a lot of heroes that are really really really broken right now. They are need balancing on their abilities They're either way too low cooldown or they stun forever or they do too much damage or stuff like that But there's so many of these broken heroes that you can have like enough to make like a normal 5v5 out of it And then it's just overpowered versus overpowered and it's just that's why it's so funny because it's not just fun It's funny. It's hilarious because you just you could just do the craziest thing It's like I'm gonna press this one button and blow up this person in front of me Like that's how most of the assassins are on that game where you just press the ult and that carry dies Like it's basically countess, but with like way more mobility and you can dash through walls And catch people off guard. So it's yeah, it's pretty fun. It's pretty fun. Yeah What I really like about it So it gets a lot of inspiration from Dota 2 in its jungle in the sense that the very similar mechanics There's jungle camp stacking kind of like what Silphen was talking about in the original meta buff proof of concept video for the jungle where The jungle camp minions respond at the top of every minute in game time And what you can do is what you can do is let's say you get to the jungle camp at 50 seconds or a minute 50 or whatever You know 10 seconds before they're supposed to respond you attack the jungle camp and you pull it away from its spawn position It's gonna chase you and then at that top of the minute Another one's gonna spawn in the same place even if you're still fighting the old one So that's called stacking your stacking minions on top of each other And so knowing how to do that is It's a pretty hard mechanic to master because you have to have good timing because you have to time doing that You have to gain you have to get the river buffs you have to get ward placement control So it's a lot of stuff and it's really deep in that sense, which is really really nice And so it doesn't just seem like go to lane and kill the other dude. It's not that simple. There is depth to it There are different bosses, but there's not just like a you know raptors are here and or prime is here There are two different monster pits and they're completely random. So you could have these you you could have there are I believe five five bosses in the game and to spawn at the at the same time and then this one can be like The tier five god boss and this one can be like the tier two boss or next game This one can be the tier one boss This can be the tier three boss and then when you kill them Five minutes go by and the next one responds and it's completely random and each one of these different bosses drops an item They don't drop a buff it drop an item that you cannot buy in the shop So you pick up this item and it's a very very strong team-based item that has a very strong team-based ability for example The strongest boss in the game drops two items He drops something called an incarnation device where for five minutes if you die You wait five seconds and then you incarnate you respawn with full health on one character one character very very strong late game item The other one Enhances your minions basically how the prime cards did in paragon so they attack faster do more damage structures and all that Yes, that's like the final tier boss And there's like another boss for example where you kill him and he drops this tanky item Which passively increases your health and health regeneration, but it's also an active where when you press it for five seconds You get like 40% damage reduction and also 40% damage reflection It's a very very very strong item and you basically get it for free if you kill the boss You don't spend any gold on it What's also really cool is that some of these items when you die you drop the item on the ground and the enemy team can take it So if you're in the boss pit and you're fighting over that and you kill the boss But you have to get out of there alive still because if the enemy team comes in there and kills you now They can take the item and now they got the item in their pocket You might have gotten the gold from killing the boss, but they got the item now, so there are there's plenty of potential for this game There's there's tons of potential for this game. They definitely need like I said in my pros and cons video They need to fix their targeting system to be a little more specific so I can have a little more control with it I think they need to double the respawn timers to incentivize the MOBA gameplay aspect of it a bit more I Personally don't know which way I lean on the kills at first. I was like, yeah I don't think this is gonna be a good idea, but after playing it a little more it definitely It's definitely a good thing because games on average are about 30 minutes They don't go past 30 minutes, which is which is nice in its own ways Because sometimes you want to just have a 20 minute 30 minute game But you also want to play a MOBA whereas most MOBAs are like 40 minute 45 minutes stuff like that Actually my league games are 30 to 45 minute usually sometimes they can go to an hour both teams don't know how to end the game, but Yeah, overall, I mean Mandy just summarized it with that one statement where there's a lot of things it needs to work on and But it's still fun so so that's very very interesting one thing I do want to mention though, which has become a very hot topic as of this morning Is their micro transaction system and they're the way they're there the way you acquire their heroes so So it's a free game. So obviously you're gonna have micro transactions That's the business model and you can buy skins you can buy skins for your wards You can buy skins for your weapons kind of like how Omata Studios gave that scythe to Severog as a weapon skin case similar concept There are also loot crates in there so you could buy keys to the loot crates try to get skins out of those And the way their hero unlock system works is that you can play the game and after you win You get a certain amount of in-game currency and if you build up enough of this in-game currency You can purchase a hero to unlock permanently They have a free hero rotation going on constantly like smite But if you grind the game enough and you like somebody you can buy them with the in-game currency and it'll find everything will Be fine and dandy You can also you also have the option just to buy them flat out with real money If you don't want to grind for it, you just buy it same exact concept is League of Legends very very good business model I actually recommended this business model too epic as well for Paragon I think this would have been the best business model possible The problem is that they have one character that is only with real money. Can you buy that character? now Well, what's the problem? There's like all these others. There's 27 characters in the game right now So well, you have 26 other characters. What's the problem? problem is Bobas are innately competitive and if you lock off a resource even by any small amount Even if it's only worth one dollar to buy even if you lock that up that still changes the competitive aspect of the game it's still D levels the fair playing field and it's just it just leaves you with a sour taste in your mouth like And and it's a really good character too. They're really good. They're they're really really strong They're totally meta and you can only imagine that okay. Well, even if there was the argument like oh, they're not meta They can balance and patch anytime they want so they can balance balance, you know that hero and make that hero Way better while they balance out everybody else and then now they're stuck behind a paywall Now you're like, okay. Well now I'm just getting shredded in games because I chose not to spend money on this game somebody else did and It's just It's just unfortunate like they were they are trying to come out with a hero pass where it's like you pay like $100 or something and then you just get all the heroes in the game unlocked like smite or whatever it is like smite Exactly just like smite, but they've been delaying this pass as well and they haven't been coming out with that so I Don't know she it's it's not even it's not even a matter of If that hero is Opie or not. It's just the simple gesture. It's the action It's like it's like somebody just spitting in your face like don't spit in your face In reality, just wipe the spit off and go on with your day. Nothing bad happened But you understand that when someone spits in your face that is really really really disrespectful And so this I think is very similar. It's kind of just like a middle finger to the community like Yeah, we're really just in it for the money So give us your money and it's kind of unfortunate to see because at first the worst part about it is that at first It was it was said that this was just a bug that they were gonna fix this This was just a bug that it's not supposed to be this way that it's supposed to be like Everybody else you can either grind in game and get them with the currency Or you can just spend real money and get the flat out But then you know the statement came out today where it was like there was some misinformation rumors blah blah blah That's not the case. This character is going to be only made a bunch of money doing this. So we're gonna That's interesting Paragon did kind of the same thing they started locking skins there for a little bit behind loot boxes the way You couldn't right? You could only get those skins via loot boxes, which they have the same exact thing in this game, too There's only specific skins by behind loot boxes, but skins or whatever it's cosmetics It doesn't change the gameplay at all It doesn't block off part of the game like I understand like when you buy a game and you want to buy an expansion pack or something You pay for that expansion pack, but this is like the full game like this person was in the original roster but they're gonna like take they're doing it backwards so they're taking it back and locking them behind this and I don't know. I just know a lot of people who are really really upset about this right now and I have some people here in my twitch job because I'm live streaming this right now and they're talking about like Well, yeah, it's a business corporation. They're in it for profit. Obviously Obviously, they're in it for profit. Every single business is in it for profit But this seems like kind of like they're just trying to get the short-term gain And they're gonna lose a lot in the long term because this really hurts the image of the company and it just leaves a sour taste on a lot of people's mouth and I like, you know, what's the point of getting a couple extra Hundred bucks from people buying the skin if people are just gonna stop playing your game and your servers I'm gonna have enough people to play it on I just and the reason I'm talking so much about it Is because I'm very frustrated because like I said, this game has a lot of potential Game has a lot of potential has a lot of cons that they can fix like Mandy said, it's very easy to fix them It's a new studio. This is their first big game. It's understandable and honestly for a first big game for the studio It's incredible. It's really really good and it's really really fun And it's very pretty too like the graphics and animations and everything very very clean It even has a campaign mode Mongoose It even has a PvE mode kind of like an RPG where in these random mystery boxes sometimes you can get like gear that you can Equip your character with and then go into this campaign mode and fight against AI with your friends and team up kind of like Diablo basically so it it has a lot to offer it has a lot to offer It's a lot of fun and has a lot of potential But doing these little things that chip away at it is just so heartbreaking to see because I want this game to succeed I'm very passionate about it. I really like it I it just came out of nowhere. It's like a diamond in the rough I just picked it up and it is basically the closest thing that console players will have to game like League of Legends or Dota 2 and I fear that if this game leaves a sour taste in their mouth Then they're gonna have like a negative stigma about other MOBAs on other consoles and it's just Kind of sad to say because this seems like such a dumb mistake on their part I just feel like I don't know who their marketing manager is or what's going on But like I don't understand how you Just reason that that is a good thing to do. It just completely like I can't even fathom that so But overall the game itself like we said it's fun needs a lot to work on That's just how all MOBAs are if you remember League of Legends started off is not it was not in the same place Where it is right now. Yeah, it's right now is a million times better than League of Legends when it started That's just kind of how MOBAs are especially if they're in it for the long term. So Those are my uh, that's what I got out of the game Giant summary I Think that was Very very well said and there was a lot of stuff. I didn't I was not aware of any of the micro transaction Debacle so that's interesting kind of my like summary of My takeaway was this is a really fun party game like if you can Get your friends together and build a team like that's when you're gonna have the most fun I think so, I mean what's wrong with that? That's that's fun So we we've been having a lot of fun on stream. We've been having a lot of fun We've been oh man it Honestly, we just play the game and we just talk about life and we talk about the stupidity shit because it is I Hate to use this term, but it is a more of a casual MOBA It's not like legal like when I was playing League of Legends, dude I felt like I was trying to get three PhDs at once Like I'm thinking about like my my summoner spells and these timers and want to rotate and this character's counter and this Character's counter and then the rune pages and it's like there's so so so so much that I always got to be thinking about I literally had a study for like two hours on YouTube before I started to become better in League Just because there's so much but this game. It's like jump in kill some shit. Have a good time That's about it. But at the same time there are those deep mechanics that I talked about if you like that kind of stuff It's just not as deep as those other games like I mentioned like Dota 2 or the League of Legends Yeah, and I'll go ahead Goose. Well, I was gonna say it sounds like I'm with with the respawn timers at least That's that's a pretty standard comeback mechanic for a lot of MOBAs is to have Shorter respawn timers at for for being at a lower level, but it sounds like with this game with the 60 kill cap Having a shorter respawn timer at a lower level just means that you're going to get back in there and feed even faster So I think that was a I think that was a cutback mechanic that they probably pulled from other games that ended up biting them in the ass Because they had the 60 kill cap. So one of the other needs to go. Yeah, I think I mean I've never played the game, but it sounds to me like one of the other needs to go No, and I agree and the Developers are trying to make this game unique which it is unique Like I said, there are multiple unique aspects about it Especially the boss is dropping items that can then be dropped for the other team if you die I think that's really cool. All right And I don't think they want to get rid of that kill limit either because That's also another pretty unique thing that I haven't seen another MOBA So that's why I propose a solution of shorter respawn timers another thing that I forgot to mention Which is really really freaking important actually about this game is that is completely controller only which makes sense because it's on ps4 But when it comes out on PC, they're planning to bring into Xbox one They're planning to bring it to switch even Everything's gonna be cross-play and everything's gonna be controller only so PC players will have to use controllers as well That's at least their vision with the game as it is right now Which also is very unique because MOBA is on PC Malice and keyboard is the first thing you think about so a lot of interesting things with this game This game is very very interesting and I think it can either Blow up or it can tank in the next month. It all depends It all depends on the decision that these developers make and how they want to address the community No, would you say that having a control playing with a controller on? Genesis would be more limiting than playing Paragon with a controller If you see what I'm saying I Think Genesis would work better if you had that mouse and keyboard Simply because of the way the targeting system works. It's hard to like specifically target White you're going for But that's what I was thinking yeah Because like in League you just click on them and that's it because with with with the isometric mode Was the way they're the cameras looking down you have a lot of stuff stacked on top of each other So it might be hard to choose which target you want I think Paragon worked Splendidly with a controller and I think a Paragon was controller only that would be totally totally fine Genesis also works with the controller I think there are certain things they need to fix and I don't know if they just have enough buttons on the controller Maybe they just need more buttons and that's that would prompt them to switch to keyboard instead To maybe help with that but No, yeah, I I think both could work with controller Yeah, I know you in your video you were saying you had to play with the claw Well, that's not that's not always that's only when you try to ping and like Mandy said the ping system is very lackluster There's no like little audio thing saying that oh this person pinged if they're trying to ping on the map There's like a yellow exclamation mark that pops up on the map But it doesn't really make any sound or anything so you really have to spam the shit out of it And when you're spamming it you're when you're spamming it just the way everything is set up Like I said, you don't have many buttons. You're standing still you're not farming you're not attacking So you're spending all your time trying to spam this ping and it takes away obviously from your time in your farm and Then yeah when somebody pings it's just like on the left like a little text like a little chat box It's not like in the middle of the screen like it wasn't Paragon like retreat or whatever So there's that but barely my child is telling me that They're currently working on increasing the respawn timers So I was actually unaware that if that is true if that is the case and that's good That means they're listening very quickly. They've also had a lot of server issues off launch, which honestly, I'm not surprised about That's like that's like every game, which is why I really don't bring it up as a con They have been trying really really hard to fix it that was always been that's that's always their number one thing that they're Trying to fix is they are like, okay servers are down. We're fixing them. Okay, get them back on We're trying to reduce ping and they've done that a lot So they're working on it. So Like it's so weird because in some aspects, they're really really good at communicating and they're really on top of Trying their best to fix all their problems as quick as they can Then on the other hand, I guess higher up in corporate someone's like Yeah, let's just make this one character with premium currency for whatever reason just to flip them off I don't know. I just I'm still baffled by that One thing I've noticed while watching I haven't it. Well one thing I've noticed people not doing is moving their map around which is Something you need to do in an isometric top-down. Is there no way to move your map? Like you Like Yeah, there's a setting where you can do that Okay, you can you can unlock it and then you just use the right stick and you pan around and if you click on the right stick It's senator's backing on you. Oh, you can do that You can do that and you can keep running with your left stick So as long as you don't bump into any walls or anything So if you know like with the layout and everything you can just run and then have your camera somewhere else and looking But you cannot attack and pan at the same time Unless you have auto attacks that on which is a thing where you press the attack button once on like a minion or something Or on a jungle camp and then it'll just keep attacking that camp until it dies Which I don't like to have that setting on because sometimes it messes me up in lane So if you have that setting off and you try to pan while farming it's not gonna work So it is there are things that can be optimized, but there is that setting. Okay, good. Good Another question I had like Paragon If if you were good at first-person shooters, you could you could almost pretty much carry yourself through gold Maybe even to platinum just through twitch reflexes good aim And Genesis is it can you do that with just you know twitch reflexes or is it more about the game knowledge? I Symmetric mobs are typically more about the game knowledge, but Genesis holds your hand a lot And what I mean when I say that is not only are the auto attacks Auto when you don't you know, they don't miss basically The skill shots in the game and there are a lot of skill shots When you when you pull up the targeting thing whether it's like an AOE or like a line If you're shooting like a laser beam or something when you pull that up It Automatically like it's like aim assist and call of duty like it automatically puts the cursor on top of the enemy or the nearest enemy So if you if you're just really really bad at aiming All you have to do is just get close to the enemy and click the button You aim to aim it because if you click it it's already on top of anyway And so it holds your hand a lot I actually also almost never really aim most of my abilities unless it's like a last second thing Where I have to like flick my right stick But that also holds the hand of a lot of people which I don't know if they're gonna change that or not And that also adds to the casual feel of the game, which again, I don't know if that's a bad thing or not Right. I just know that MOBAs usually their strongest suit is the ranked mode That is what pulls people in that is what carries the game's lifespan That is what makes million dollar tournaments happen as in the case of Dota 2 and League of Legends Like that is what people show up for people want to be the best of the best and if there's if the skill ceiling is too low There's too much of a helping hand Then there's only so far you can go to the top until people get bored and it's not as intense to watch Because the thing that makes Dota 2 and League of Legends so fun to watch is there are things that those Pro players can do that like you and I will never be able to do because there is just that bound It's just so high up there that we just we're too busy with our jobs or too busy with our lives We'll never be that good but watching someone else be that good is like the craziest thing in the world I don't know if you've ever watched League of Legends eSports, but it is It was it is so much fun to watch It is so cool to watch the reason I went back to League is so I could play the game just to smidge it enough to Learn to understand what's happening in front of me just so I could watch the eSports of it because it's just so so dope and I think Paragon could have pulled that off too, which makes me very upset that it never came out with a ranked mode And it just kept doing that. I also talked about that in my today's video Why but yeah, I just I Think that this game If it wants to go for a really really long time and be on the market for a really really long time I Appreciate that it's trying to be unique But there is an issue when you try to be too unique That people just don't get like you're just trying to do too much and and your fundamentals and your foundation just falls through so Yeah, I I hope it works out. I really like this game and see potentially I hope it works out And I hope it's not another Paragon Yeah, that hits me in the field Yeah, we're only like a week and a half in and I'm already thinking about that I'm paranoid We've been hurt I have trust issues now Yeah All right, is it anybody else have any you guys have anything else say about Genesis? I think I'm good I mean like I said, I Didn't expect to like it as much as I do my first couple of games. I was like I hate this. I don't I'm I hate it I'm not playing this And then I don't know why I was like that did kind of scratch that itch So let me like let me dip my toes back into it and just the more I play it the more I fall in love with it I'm having fun. I'm having fun with it. And that's all I can ask for right now Most important part. Yeah. Yeah, so I say if you have been hesitant You haven't given it a try yet. Go ahead. Go for it. You have really nothing to lose. It's absolutely free Yeah, just grab a group of buddies Go in there and fuck around and kill some shit. Have a good time. Have a good time I'll be in there with you guys eventually I Think that's gonna wrap it up for the topic for discussion. I hope I Hope predict was able to educate you guys on Genesis and Mandy made several great points as well But we're gonna move on to plugs. Braddock. What do you got to plug brother? You can find me on YouTube twitch I've been streaming every single day Twitter at British HD for all of those I've been making Genesis tips and tricks guys just like I did back in the Paragon days You already know that's what I do is what I love to do if you want more info on Genesis You guys can come on over to my channel youtube.com slash British HD You can watch me fuck around with my friends live on twitch as well at British HD My stream schedule is listed Below my stream on twitch and then Twitter follow me on Twitter because I tweet out when I go live and You guys can also join my discord channel, but that's in the description of my YouTube videos You guys can find the links everywhere over there. That's about it. I'm just your typical online personality Right on Mandy I mean I I twitch occasionally I haven't been doing the YouTube too much lately, but I like I said, I do want to make a standalone Genesis video I I feel like that's something I would be interested in maybe the public would be interested to Hear my opinions on the game even though I kind of just said them all but yeah So maybe look out for that if I have time to get it done Right on so we'll never see that video you should You should you should stream it have you streamed Genesis yet I've been busy to watch our streams. I'm really sorry. I really do enjoy your streams. Oh, thanks. That's a rare actual compliment No, I haven't streamed it yet because I I try to stream things where I can be really really engaged with the True and I get so into Genesis that I'm like, I wouldn't even be paying attention to my chat. Unfortunately I would just be like kill kill kill You know when things get intense it is a little hard reading the chat, but yeah, it's a lot of fun because It's a new game and for a lot of people it's their first MOBA and There's a lot of questions There's a lot of There's also like what I like about this game is there's not just one set build that is the best build and everyone's gonna Build the same build and this is what you should do each and every single game Builds change game the game depending on the enemy team comp and all that too So it keeps it a little more fresh You can experiment with a lot of things you can see what you like what you don't like And you can really get good with the stuff that you like Even if it's not the most meta thing because it will still work. Oh, I think that's really cool about it, too Good point right on I got nothing to plug this week. We'll leave you again with a question And I just thought this one up so I don't don't really have a prepared answer this time If you could use one ability from Paragon in real life What would it be and I'll give you guys a little time to think about it because I thought about it And I think it would be drawn goes gag grenade because the ability to make a whole bunch of people just shut the fuck up would be So nice at my job Wow, that is a great question. I have to think about that for a second. It's any ability, right? Any ability any ability. Oh man The first one that comes to my mind. I Kind of and it's similar to your answer goose I really like the idea of having phases blind because then I could just like run away from people that I don't Want to just ninja vanish. Yeah, it's like, oh god. I'd be like run into someone in the grocery store. No Oh, I think you muted your mic. Yeah, I think you hit your mic or something. I did indeed That's great. Oh, I think well, yeah, wow you guys are filing I Want to hurt others I want to benefit myself. I think I would go collars and ability or I would go with I would go with rates of rewind ability But make it so that it's not just like one person make it so like I can rewind myself if I mess up or something I can just So yeah, probably be one of those Well What when people when people ask me what my favorite super what my what my superpower of choice is and I it's not flying if you answer Flying your basic as bitch. All right, the super the superpower of choice for me is time manipulation freezing time Fast-forwarding slowing basically like the movie click but with more control I think that'd be really really cool because then you could pretty much do anything and everything you want Control time you the rest of it is space and you could just walk through that space. So you basically control both at that point Yeah, very interesting. All right, I think that's gonna be it for the show leave in the comments below What paragon ability you would like to have in real life, but that's gonna wrap it up for now This is before the minions crew signing off you guys have a good one Good show guys good show Man It is fun because I'm doing research that may or may not Help us find a cure for multiple cirrhosis We'll stay tuned for that. Yeah, we'll stay tuned for that. Well, we'll see if that ever happens. Yeah Ranked number one jungler in Genesis and curing multiple Both of those are all my Tinder profile Let me let me into your jungle girl I'll find the best route So you guys about ready to get going maybe you know you had to take a poop there It looks like it was a good one cuz your hair's all Shower a real nice diarrhea He's always sweating it out diarrhea sweating it out Yes, I am ready I have pooped I am ready excellent