 Oh, it's not running away. Oh, I was about to say, like taking over bakeries to to core the market on bank. It's running against the wind. Oh, I mean, on empty plan, bakeries are a good plan. I was I was taken by a a really strong desire to have some pao chocolat yesterday. Mm hmm. And in case you don't know, it's a delicious pastry from France. And and yes, how did you guess? And sadly, I live in Finland and in the middle of the countryside. And my wife is away with the car. So I couldn't there was literally no way. Well, maybe there was a way. By the time you grow wheat and chocolate bushes and harvest it all and make the bread, your wife would have been back with the car. Exactly. Yes. So, you know, life as a podcaster is not as easy as it might sound. Oh, no, people. Yeah, you ought to realize sometimes you can't even eat your fancy French chocolate bread when you want. Don't call it chocolate bread. Not chocolate chocolate chocolate chip bread. No, no, it's not. This is offensive to me. Please stop. I don't know how to say pao chocolat. And have you criticized my pronunciation? Well, I mean, or we could call it chocolate pain. Good. Tasty fresh out of the oven. Yeah. What do you want right now? I want some chocolate pain. Well, you know, chocolate is delicious, but I don't think it's very good for you. So, in a way, every chocolate is chocolate pain. Well, yeah. Chocolate can be good for you. You just can't eat this chocolate. Certain chocolate is, yes. Right. It's sort of like coffee. We're in very small doses. It has some good qualities. Take care of these crackles and come in the morning. Honestly, the people who eat chocolate in small quantities are monsters. So I don't, you know, yeah, there is there is some things of you in the world. So because they should be eating more chocolates. Well, yes. Yeah, clearly. I mean, I feel like you'd be really quite upset with me. Sarah, you're I think you should stop because you're getting dangerously close to get to getting taken off the list of a French friend. The chocolate pain crew. So wait, can you can you have Mollie? That is, well, God, Mollie is I don't know. I don't know if you guys like Mollie. I don't. I don't. I don't know what it is, but it sounds like it's a Mexican sauce that has chocolate undertones. It has chocolate. Yeah. Yeah, but like a sauce for Oh, sorry. We have for meat. Yeah, yeah, that can be interesting at the show. Patrick, would you read line three today for I would be happy to. OK, we will do it in 15 seconds. Oh, yeah. Are you I know you're ready because you were born ten nine. The natal condition. All right, five, five, four, three, two. Thanks to everyone who supports Daily Tech News Show directly to find out more. Head to Daily Tech News Show dot com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, November 6th, 2018, in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from Studio Fila and I'm Sarah Lane. And from the Finnish countryside. I'm Patrick Beja and from the LA County countryside. I'm the producer of your day. Ah, yes. If you need a break from hearing obnoxious Americans talking about voting, we have a Frenchman on the show today. So can I be an obnoxious Frenchman talking about voting? There's no need to be redundant. Oh, I got that one. I'm just kidding. We have a lot of good tech news today. So let's start with a few tech things you should know. Xiaomi is selling a pair of wireless earbuds called AirDots for one hundred ninety nine one or about twenty eight US dollars. They come in charging. They come with a charging case and support Bluetooth five put. Oh, you can also reserve the buds for purchase in China starting today. That's a cheap pair of earbuds. I'm guessing they would be more expensive here, though. Preorders for Google's Pixel Slate are now open. The twelve point three inch tablet starts at five hundred and ninety nine dollars for four gigabytes of RAM and thirty two gigabytes of storage. And Max is out with two hundred and fifty six gigabytes of storage and sixteen gigabytes of RAM at one thousand five hundred and ninety nine US dollars. Oh, also, I think the new surface go when on sale, the mid range one, too. Speaking of Microsoft, Microsoft internally announced the departure by year end of corporate vice president of Cortana Javier Soltero. Sources telling ZD net that in back twenty fourteen Microsoft acquired Soltero's startup, a complete Soltero was head of strategy on Outlook Mobile before he became head of Cortana just earlier this year in March, twenty eighteen. I like to complain. That was it. That was a good email app. At the point that I was using it. Maybe he'll get back to making something like that. Let's talk a little bit more about Apple, Patrick. Vichesh Rushingani put up a post on seeking alpha titled Apple is transitioning from product company to service giant. He cites the fact that services accounted for sixteen percent of revenue last quarter and is growing and the decision by Apple to stop reporting unit sales and average selling prices for iPhones, Macs and other products. If it were a standalone company, Apple services would be almost as large as Facebook by revenue. He writes that Cook is moving Apple from an ultimate product company to an efficient services provider. I I definitely have been pushing this idea that Apple is emphasizing services more and more. I don't know that he put it this way in his post. He has to make up a lot of numbers because Apple doesn't provide them. And you can take a lot of issues with how he makes his estimates and pull this apart if you want to. But I think the general gist of what he's saying is absolutely true that Apple is definitely realizing that their products are are commoditizable that new areas of growth are likely to be service oriented. And that fits in with Tim Cook's specialty, which he points out as well. So I think this is a numbers. Numbers estimating is always kind of a dark art anyway. But but semantically or or non quantifiable qualitatively. That's the word I'm looking for. I think it's good analysis. Yeah, it's I mean, I guess you could count hardware within the spirit of services as well to an extent. But it seems a little bit. I mean, services are important on Apple's side because people want their hardware. I guess they could flip it at some point. But I I'm not sure I could see it happening with certainty at this point. That being said, the size of the services part of Apple's business is certainly impressive, and I didn't realize it was that big because we never really consider it as a huge thing for them. Yeah, it's a lot smaller than its product business. I think the new television service, which we are expecting to hear about next year, will tell this tale. If it is the kind of thing where you have to buy a product to get it, or if it's the kind of thing where they'll charge you if you're not an Apple product user, but you'll either get it as a discount or get it free if you are. I think that kind of tells where they are on the spectrum. And I would I would expect them to really push the service as a reason to get the product. And that tells me services is their growth opportunity. FCC Chairman Ajit Pai is calling for the adoption of an authentication system to curb caller IDs boofing and says carriers need to implement the technology no later than 2019 by sent personal letters to the CEOs of various providers asking them to adopt the shaken slash stir framework. That is really what it's called, which would validate calls before they hit recipients earlier this year. The FCC find a Miami resident responsible for over 96 million robocalls for one hundred twenty million dollars. The biggest find the FCC has ever imposed. So how much of this do you think is being motivated by Ajit Pai himself being annoyed with robocalls? Well, I mean, I'm with him. I think I don't agree on everything. But when it comes to robocalls, I think we're in accordance. Yeah, this this is definitely something that's no one's going to to be against, except people who want to make robocalls, right? It's a good way for a commissioner to win back some public sympathy. But I also think he honestly is pushing this because he wants it to stop. He's got a little bravado behind it, and that's fine. So you probably need that in order to get the telecoms to get in line. You could possibly argue, too, that having just given the telecoms pretty much the everything they want regarding that neutrality, he might be calling in some chips here to say, now you got to help me with this. I mean, I know about the two of you and Patrick, I'm sure it's different because you're outside of the U.S. But I would say I get maybe six phone calls a day from robo, robo numbers that that are spoofing my, you know, hometowns area code. And, you know, I'm hip to the game now. But it's it. I mean, it's it's it's pretty disruptive. And yeah, I mean, I don't know. What do you do? What do you do at this point? In in Europe, I never get robocalls in Finland. I never get robocalls in France. And I think maybe there is a technical system that allows it to be controlled. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was just legislated out of existence. We do get, you know, customer support calls that you don't really want sometimes, but robocalls, I think, are pretty much non-existent. So I there are ways of dealing with this, certainly. Maybe the technical system that the FCC wants to be implemented is that but definitely here we we don't have them. So it is possible. Researchers at Radboud University have developed a way to decrypt data on popular solid state drives without having the password. They're not breaking the encryption, though. The method works on several models of crucial and Samsung SSDs. The researchers in most of the cases physically connected to the debugging interface. So obviously, you have to have physical access for a certain amount of time to be able to do this. This isn't something you're going to do real quickly in the coffee shop while someone goes to the bathroom. But they were able to modify password verification when they had that access so that any password would be accepted. They basically got in through the firmware and said, just accept anything. And then that allowed decryption to happen in a few models. The recovered encryption keys were got by using a wear leveling exploit. They told the drive to put the key in a different place. And then before data was overwritten on where the old key was, they were able to go in and sneak in there and grab it. Of note is that Microsoft's BitLocker drive encryption by default lets hardware handle encryption. So if you thought you had been encrypting these drives with BitLocker, you would be vulnerable to this because BitLocker wasn't providing the encryption. Crucial has rolled out updates for all its drives. Samsung has rolled out updates for all, but it's Evo drives. If you have an Evo Samsung drives, they recommend using software encryption, not relying on the hardware encryption. The researchers say you should use software encryption anyway, and they recommend the open source platform ViraCrypt to protect drives. I wonder how much of these exploits we hear about all the time the intelligence services already know about. You know, they show up here and there through security researchers. And some of them are quite powerful. Often they require access, physical access to the device. But this is just a personal thing. But I really wonder if they have a giant list, you know, at the CIA or NSA or whatever. And once it's discovered, you know, they put a little check mark of a certain kind when they're like, OK, maybe this one is not going to work anymore. Or it's, yeah. I mean, I look at this and I immediately want to point out to people this is researchers discovering the vulnerability, not a vulnerability in the wild. I think in our heads, we kind of mix them up between the two and think things are worse than they are. This is the good. This is good news. This is not hackers exploiting it. This is hackers stopping it. This is folks figuring it out before it's in the wild. So I always like to emphasize that. But yeah, Patrick brings up a good point. If you work for a clandestine agency, find us on signal and let us know whether you knew about the experiment. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree requiring all users of messaging apps to be identifiable. When the rule takes effect in six months, the operator of a messaging service will need to verify registration data through a user's mobile operator, the mobile operator that has 20 minutes to respond and record data. Now, also, I meant to write this in here for you, Patrick. And I apologize. Tencent is increasing its checks on gaming age verification by using a police database. And I know you've been following that story. Yeah, the two are somewhat different. In the case of Tencent, it's in China, and they are doing this supposedly to curb gaming addiction and make sure that younger people are identified as such and have to comply with the limits that the government has set in place regarding gaming time and spending ability and gaming time can be quite stringent. Something like half an hour or an hour, depending on your age. It's a little bit different, but in both cases, I guess it's governments trying to make sure they control what people do with their apps. Maybe in the case of Russia, it's really about surveillance more than anything else. It might be that in China, it's a backdoor into surveillance as well. And it is becoming common in many countries. I mean, China, particularly you hear about. But there are other countries that are starting to put real name policies into place or at least pushing for real name policies. Turkey is one of those. So it's a trend that I think in the past, I've always dismissed as, well, that's the kind of thing China does. But Russia now doing it more often trending that way as well. Other countries starting to trend. It's starting to be the kind of thing that looks like what people warn about when they say the Internet might split in two or even more than two based on the policies of various governments walling themselves off and changing how it works. I mean, at this stage, it's not quite there yet. It's not splitting it into. Well, unless you consider the Great Firewall as a split into, which is a valid way of putting it. But these requirements are more about controlling use rather than creating a different shard of the Internet. Yeah. But still, yeah, it's it's it's specific implementations that are required locally when you think of the Internet as something that is the same for everyone. AMD announced that processors in its 7nm Zen 2 architecture will launch in 2019. AMD promises twice the performance over the previous Zen design. The company's cores are expected to arrive in all of AMD's family of chips, including Ryzen, Threadripper and Epic. The Epic 7nm chip is codenamed Rome now sampling Amazon Web Services and also announced its offering Epic CPUs and Elastic Compute Cloud at a 10 percent pricing advantage. AMD said that 7nm plus Zen 3 should arrive in 2020. If you're keeping score, AMD also announced that Radeon Instinct M I 60 CPU for data centers with up to 7.4 teraflops of 64 bit floating point peak performance built on a 7nm process and debuting later this year is also in the works. It's the first PCIe 4.0 GPU on the market. Yeah, so it might be easy to over interpret this as AMD announces 7nm CPUs and GPUs while Intel is delaying 10 nanometer till next year. It's not quite as bad as it sounds for Intel, but the performance of these Zen 2 cores looks competitive with Intel. They there's, you know, 256 bit native now. You don't have to multiply 128 by two. These are now neck and neck with Intel while AMD also gets to crow about the fact that they're on the 7nm platform while Intel is still delaying the 10nm platform, which makes it look good in the press. So in reality and in the imaginary world of PR, AMD pulling even with Intel and starting to look like in slow motion, they might be ready to pass them if Intel doesn't do something. I mean, they've been announced for 2019, the 7nm. So we're not quite there yet. By the time that they arrive, Intel might have 10 nanometer ready. But still, especially in the world of servers, I think power consumption is really important. And when you go thinner, you require less energy. So this is really, I mean, AMD seems quite confident that they can do 7nm at that point. And AMD has they're actually doing it. Yeah. Right. Right. They have 7nm technology ready. If Intel gets delayed a bit more on 10nm, I think even if it's not quite as performance oriented consumption, I don't know exactly what the GDP is on those, but I'm guessing consumption wise, it might be power consumption wise. It might start to become interesting, even if they're not as powerful. Yeah. I mean, Intel announcing its cascade like processors yesterday were 14 nanometer just just, you know, as point of comparison. Announcement of two announcement. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. Study that is being reported on in the BBC from Oxford University researchers, ties the effective screen time on children to sleep patterns. Now, most of the studies you've heard in the past say, yep, you have a lot of screen time, it reduces children's sleep. This one, published in the journal Pediatrics, surveyed 50,000 people from across every state in the United States, which, assumingly means Hawaii and Alaska, showed little effect on sleep time in children from six months up to 17 years old. It was self reported, but they took into account the time spent with phones, tablets, computers and TVs as reported by the children or their parents and found that teens who spent no screen time got on average eight hours and 51 minutes of sleep a night. Teens who spent eight hours with the screens during the day got eight hours and 21 minutes of sleep per night. So much sleep. In both cases. Wow, that sounds great. Overall, they found that an hour of screen time correlated to a loss of about three to eight minutes. So you could say, oh, they didn't show a correlation of loss of sleep, but it's not nearly as significant as previous studies. Professor Andrew Prabylsky, one of the authors of the study, told the BBC, focusing on bedtime routines and regular patterns of sleep, such as consistent wake-up times, are much more effective strategies for helping young people sleep than thinking screens themselves play a significant role. He believes the previous studies showing an effect had too small of a sample and he believes a lot more study is needed before you draw any conclusions. He says, look, we know this was self reported. We want to do more studies directly on how this affects sleep and they're going to do those studies. But he says, in the meantime, we know that these other things have impact on sleep. Focus on them. Don't think reducing screen time is going to be the panacea that helps your teenager sleep better. So I guess, first of all, I'm sure one of the flaws of this study is finding teens who spent no screen time because I'm certain those do not exist. According to the study, I suppose so. But yeah, it's this is giving me hope because I know I have a young child. He's only nine months old. So of course, he's not using screens at all yet. I think the recommended usage is not before two. And even then it's very specific types of screen. And at three, maybe you can start having actual screens. But for me, I would love to have something to give my child that would occupy him. So I want that study to be right. The the thing that struck me, though, is that idea that patterns and setting your children into a routine is so much more important because this is what I found with my very, very young baby. And his entire life improves when he knows what to expect. So I could imagine that there could be some this is just wild speculation, but that there could be some kind of correlation between having a lot of screen time and maybe being a little bit more lax with the routine, maybe that had something to do with it before. I also think the time of screen time plays a big part in this. I'm not a teenager, but as an adult, I know that if I go to bed at 9 p.m. with my phone, you know, I'm kind of tired anyway. You know, maybe I, you know, have some things to catch up on. I don't really feel that that whole sort of, oh, you're, you know, the iPhone glare is going to screw with your circadian rhythms all that much. However, if I do the same thing at 11 p.m. or later, it actually does. So I think part of that is when are you absorbing this information? And is it actually screen you up, you know, time wise? And these authors of this study are going to publish a study on that exact thing. They've been looking at how close to bedtime do they do do the children stop using the screens and does that have an effect? So I'll be interested to see what they find for my experience. My kids or my daughter, my oldest daughter uses it constantly, more so than she should, despite, despite me trying to take it away from her. She literally at this point, she's three years, three years, 10 months. She's at this stage just last night. She just fell asleep watching, watching like a little children's thing on on YouTube. Like she just like fell asleep next to it. Still running and she's like, which is, I mean, I do that. She'll conk out around. 10, 11, more, more like 11 or midnight, which is something we've been trying to change forever, which to get her to bed early. But she gets the recommended amount of sleep. The problem is I need to get her ready for school in the morning. And, you know, it overlaps. So what I find is specifically routine and in terms of sleep, she gets, she gets like the eight hours she sleeps at school during nap time. And she naps when she gets home, but it's trying to get it. So it's on everyone else's kind of rhythm, right? Cause she'll be bouncing around at midnight. It's like, no, it's just time to go to bed. Sounds like what you're saying is she uses the screen a lot and she has problems sleeping, but you're not convinced that really it's the screen that's causing it. It's just routine. It's, it's the routine. And one of her routines is to just kind of suction her face to it. And I've, I've even gotten to the point where like, fine, you can, you can watch something, but I'll put it on the TV. Like I'm trying to just change it slowly. You know, and she's also big into books, so she'll be constantly having her nose in books, but I run into the same issue. It's, it's not the book, but it's just the activity that messes with the routine that causes her to not have a regular, or I, I deal, I should say an ideal sleep schedule. That's why I think this, I can't remember was it Sarah, that you said that the idea that maybe, or maybe it was Patrick, just having a more structured day means you have less screen time, which means you sleep better. Exactly. I think, I think it really means like when she's at school, note, there's no screens at all. It's just either in the sandbox, playing with other kids or the playground or painting. And so it's structured for the, for the students, but she's, she's, she, she has a normal sleep nap cycle at that point, at that point throughout the day. So here's the solution. If they don't have screens at school, just get them to spend the night in the school and they won't have a screen time. That's perfect. I mean, I remember back in the day when I was a kid, when I was a little kid, I had television in my house, but we had neighbors and, you know, kids that were my age that weren't allowed to watch television. There were no TVs in the house, sort of like no internet in the bedroom, that kind of thing. And the kids, you know, once they saw a TV would be like, Oh my gosh, you know, slack jawed, like this is the most exciting thing ever, which is sort of counterproductive, because the whole idea was that they don't depend on television or, you know, that whole thing. And I wonder if over, I don't know, you know, taking away time on the internet, which, you know, like Roger, what, whatever Ellie is doing on the internet is actually a good thing or a bad thing for kids at that young of an age. It's, I can, I can see it in the way of it being isolating, for example, if you have a big family, you have a lot of kids, it might isolate the child away from social interaction with the other kids because, hey, I got this thing that's all flashy, colorful, makes noise. I'm gonna pay attention to that. But what I find is that if I interact with my daughter, for example, she loves bouncing on my head like a WWE wrestler. So if I allow her to do that, she doesn't need the tablet. She's like, she's happy with that. That's actually the most pure fun for her, hurting my dad. I mean, honestly, I think it's important to note that this study isn't the last word on this. It's only one study about sleep. It is a study that is used a very large number of subjects, which makes it more reliable. But you need a lot of different studies of a lot of different aspects before you come to a conclusion. And so maybe what parents should do is what Roger is talking about, which is just go case by case with your child. Keep things in moderation. Don't let them use screen time too much and see what affects them and what doesn't. You're not going to be able to rely on a study to tell you how to take care of your individual child because every child is different. Yes, Tom. But if I believe this study, then I can have a little bit of peace and quiet. So I think it's right. I can't argue with you there. Ironclad logic. Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. 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So the initial reaction to Diablo Immortal at BlizzCon was from an audience being told to be excited about a game that isn't even necessarily for them in the first place. Yes. Patrick, what? Yeah. What? What are your? Yeah. This is all absolutely true. They did tell people not to get excited. They pretty much spelled out. We are not announcing the sequel to Diablo 3, but people didn't really hear it. There is a lot of truth to what you're saying, Brian. I think the issue that a lot of people had was with the type, the nature of the reaction that some of the fans had, which was a little bit violent. But if you want to hear more about all of this and many other things, you could go listen to MVGB, the monthly video game briefing, which we just recorded today with Scott Johnson. This is a show which came from DTNS Labs Games, if you remember that one. And you get a few bits of news from the gaming industry without the avalanche of nerdiness that comes with the usual gaming podcasts. 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Sorry about the time's changing. Oh, that's fine. It's actually even normal time now. So. OK, all right. Yeah. Bye. Bye. One week. Screening sleep. I said, I screen you screen. We all screen. I screen you screen. We all screen for screen time. The young and the rest. What about curve screens? Hey, say that again, Roger. The young and the restless. That's pretty good. Oh, I thought I'd take on it, but it's really just the title. It still kind of works, though, doesn't it? Yes. I think it was full. That's a good OK. We could do that one. Yeah. All right. We'll do that one. Done. Done, done, done. Never watched the soap operas until I got older. Oh, man. Days of our lives. Well, someone told me children were my jam. I got hooked on Melrose Place and someone told me it's like, I didn't know you were not a soap opera. Someone told me it was soap opera. It's not that that is a primetime drama. It's so it's it's kind of like a soap opera, but that's not what people mean when they say soap opera. I think a soap opera has to be defined as Monday through Friday with a lot of. Well, well, well, well, right. That's a work because dynasty and. That's not a soap opera. That's a primetime drama. Listen, there's there are two there are two definitions of soap opera. There's the very broad one that Roger is using right now, which can apply to primetime dramas like Dynasty and Melrose Place. But there's the more specific and more common usage, which is a daytime television show. And that's what Sarah is using. Yeah. Wikipedia calls it American primetime television soap opera that aired on CBS. We're able to say. Well, that that's what that's making so proper. Different whole different things. A soap opera is is an ongoing drama, serial on television, a radio featuring eleven and four p.m. Featuring the lives of many characters and their emotional relationships. Fine. But that is days of our lives. All my children, the young and the restless world, what's another one? I didn't like guiding light. That was a CBS one. No one ever watched that. In a hospital, another world. General Hospital, another world. What was the one with the witches? Remember, there was like a supernatural one. Like if I'm in these. No, I'm talking about. Are you talking about Charmed? No, no, not Charmed, but it was a soap opera, daytime soap opera. But it had kind of a, you know, witch supernatural element to it. You might have been thinking about when Marlena was possessed by the demon, but that was days of our lives. Witch soap opera. She was a witch, though. She was she was possessed. It was a dark time in day's history. Passions in American television, soap opera that originally. He passions was sort of new. Passions was like, you know, it was it was it was an attempt to like grab the younger audience. Didn't really work out that well. Well, lasted for seven more. Common usage of soap operas to mean the daytime television soap opera. Yeah, yeah. And also, I mean, I don't know about anyone else's mother. Sorry, mom, but my mom worked. So she was never home, you know, from 12 to one when all my children was on. But through the magic of VCRs, she would record it. And then when she was done feeding me and my dad and everyone kind of like went to their rooms, then she would watch her. I need to watch her stories for the day. Yep. And it was like, for a while, I was like, too young, I wasn't allowed. And then finally she was like, OK, you can watch it with me. My my mom and my grandma would watch another world together. And so during the summer, when we wouldn't have as much to do, sometimes my grandma would come over to watch like she would normally do when we were at school. But we would watch with them. And I remember getting caught up in the plot. Oh, yeah. I was old and I'm just like, you know, I'm in the room playing with toys or whatever. But I would just get sucked in like because they're real simplistic, but super dramatic, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, over like the course of a week, like the plot line will just be like told over and over, you know, and like dragged out like it's like nothing's happening real fast. No, because on a five day day, they didn't want them to feel like they give up. They're like, oh, no, no, you're not law. Right. And then like when someone would die, you'd be like, oh, on Monday, they're going to like come back from the dead. Yeah, yeah. Or our kid would go to camp. I remember Sally on another world went away to camp and she was like 10. And when she came back from camp, like two weeks later, she was 17. Right. Or yeah. Or when they say like they just starting today, the rule of Brace Blackjack will be played by Time Merit. And you were like, OK, I care of my greatest. I'll just forget everything I knew about the old race. From what I've heard, it's a pretty lucrative job. Well, it was. It was. I mean, so properties are they don't really exist anymore. But so properties still exist. They do, but they've moved largely online and and many of them have shut down entirely. But just having that, I mean, the plethora of scripts that you have to memorize. Don't even worry about what the plot line is, just the fact that you're doing that every day. It's a lot of work. Grinding empire is considered a. That's primetime. That's not what we're talking about. No, that's different. We're not talking about primetime soap operas. We're not talking about the broad version. I think we've made that clear. Well, I'm going to call a team. Daytime soap operas are daytime soaps. Yes. Another world. I really liked another world at one point. That was the that was my grandma and my mom's story. And now that that happened right before General Hospital, if I recall, it was like the ABC. Like that was like that. Yeah, it was there is another world in General Hospital. And they would watch Days of Our Lives. They didn't like it as much. Another world was their jam. Then they they didn't really like General Hospital that much. All my children was that was that was what we watched in my house. But Days of Our Lives was like the cool, like popular kid. Show to watch. I don't even know why it just was. I think it probably had to do with the fact that it just came on when you finished school in a way that that's what we all watched. You watch soap operas when you came home from school. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, and Days came on at three. So if you rushed after school, you just watch it. Oh, you wouldn't have to you wouldn't have to record it on your VCR. They came on like noon for us. Oh, yeah, it was three three p.m. All right, when I got home, it was G.I. Joe Transformers. Yeah, yeah. When we got home, it was all kids stuff. Don't have that anymore. Man, Shira, Shira, Ed Sheeran. That cartoon better be good. That's all I know. Man. My mom always she loves to tell the story that, you know, she was watching all my children for a long time. And again, she never really watched it during the day because she worked, but she would record it and watch it later. And, you know, as the years went on and I kind of lost interest and was doing my stuff, you know, she was always sort of like, I don't really want to watch my stories anymore. But I do, you know, it's like I just want to like have a great reason not to do this anymore. You know what happens? The O.J. Simpson trial. Because then everything like 24 seven on CNN was just like it was like it was it was it was so proper. And it was like it was real time stuff that she was like, I don't even want to watch all my children anymore. That's the stupidest thing ever. And she never looked back. Name two other individuals involved with the O.J. Simpson trial outside of O.J. Simpson, like. Nicole Brown Simpson. That would be a very obvious one. Jado Kato Kato. Yeah. So the reason I'm asking is because that was such a seminal moment. But I remember I remember was a Marsha Clark. Marsha Clark. Judge Ito. Right. Yes. Kato Kailin. And I know his name. It can't get out of my mouth. But you know, the glove the glove does not fit. You must have quit. Yeah. It's interesting because it's like one of those things where I never watched it. But I knew a lot of the names. Oh, I see. Well, and recently with the documentary and the fictionalized series, those names have come back into the public consciousness again. Yeah. Well, and it's also, you know, it's life is very different these days. But at the time, it was something where it was like, oh, wow. I mean, we're interrupting all of our regularly scheduled program for, you know, for this stuff. And so everyone, you know, at the time who was like, well, I was going to watch TV from 12 to one anyway. It's like now I'm getting very, very invested in, you know, this whole, you know, you know, melodramatic court case. And yeah. Yeah. And I remember my mom kind of telling me, you know what? I'm not going to go back to all my children. That we're done. Yeah. And that was well before the Internet, too. It was so great. I wonder if that kind of gave the impetus for all those judge shows because before then you just had People's Court and it wasn't focused on the judge. He had Divorce Court, too. The Divorce Court, yeah, the court shows. But like, you know, like in the late mid to late 90s, there are like five different, like Judge Judy, Judge Brown. They're like a judge, this judge. The success of People's Court was the impetus for Judge Judy and all those imitators. Yeah. But People's Court started in the early 80s, late 70s. So. Did it? Yeah. I think it lasted for a long time. Yeah. It was the first one. The first one. But Roger's trying to make the argument that it was around for a long time before it was the Simpson trial that caused people to imitate it. No, no, I actually don't. I think the People's Court is not really anything like the O.J. Simpson trial. It's more of, you know, petty theft. It started in 1981, Roger. You're right. But Wopner retired in 93. That is what caused the opening to people to go, oh, you know, folks aren't as excited about Ed Koch replacing Judge Wopner. Let's let's move in on that territory. Let's make something that that can compete. The rise of arbitration based court reality or reality court shows. Was the People's Court was the first one. Was the second one. Jones and jury. Yeah, there are a lot of attempts. Ninety six is when Judge Judy came on the scene. What about divorce court? We're I mean, divorce court was huge. What about divorce court? Well, let's not, you know, the audio is not skated over a divorce court. In a moment. 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