 Man, so everybody has a cool story about how people met and came together, but you guys have known each other since, what, 07? Yeah, 2007. So how did that all happen? I met a guy in the production community who actually got laid a lot, he was like, fuck this man! Wow! He's all like, three, four, five girlfriends, like, I didn't, so yeah, I was very excited to meet him. Yeah, he actually hunted me down, because this guy's obsessed with finding out who actually gets any kind of results in this industry, and he'd been searching and hadn't found anyone, and then he heard about me and came and hunted me down, back when I was a bit of a musician bum who was just doing my thing in Melbourne, Australia. Are we going to introduce you to some lair dude? No, let me ask you guys this, I'll say this, you guys don't share this opinion, but who was that fucking idiot guy from Australia that- Alex Kulson. Yeah, yeah. When you guys said, finally a guy that gets laid, I was like that, because he was kind of the standard for, well, I mean, it wasn't only- First movie, the first movie in Australia. Really big kind of like name dude that came out of there. There was quite a, it's funny, it's a bit of an interesting scene, the Australian production scene of around those years, 2006, 2007, 2008, it was really good. There was a bunch of guys that came out of that who most of them now are not dating coaches, they're just like DJs or drug dealers or somewhere else, but guys who were fucking really good and you know, it's like when there's a music scene somewhere, like in New Zealand, for example, dub music is really good, you're like, why, I don't know, it's just like something appears and then everyone bounced off each other, and that period, there was about four or five of us who hooked up in Melbourne Australia and really exploded in terms of growth and ability and we learned a lot off each other and completely in isolation to the US scene, none of us got involved with it. Totally, because you know, one, you guys came up with something different. I mean, you guys actually both came up with something different yourselves, but you can see that it is separate from what was happening in the US and the US kind of grew up in this other way and then even UK and some European stuff. But yeah, man, so what was that like when you guys first met each other and to see each other grow? I mean, watching James Grosby astounding, he's always been a really impressive guy, but I mean, you know, watching his speech the other day, I mean, it's just phenomenal. I've actually written down somewhere, somewhat, what I got out of it, but yeah, I mean, he's just just spiritually, I mean, his skills with women have always been good, but I mean, he's gone to a completely different level, I feel he's grown a lot as a coach too, which once you've coached hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of guys, you know, in, you know, not 15 at a time, like some guys do it. You really just learn from every guy, so he's, yeah, it's like he's seven years, but he's sort of grown 20 or 30. Travel would obviously, any man who travels in a big way is just going to experience personal growth. I don't think you can really compete with any other way. And so what was James McLean like? James was, he was a, I mean, the interesting thing about James is he, his story is that he came from a very low place with women and he grew up in the, in the following the societal model, which was, you know, study hard, study hard, get a good job. How old were you when you had gotten involved with it? I managed to stay a virgin till 27. I don't think that even counts because I was inside her like two and a half minutes and I was with her two or three days. And then, you know, I got like that much wood. And she sort of really, she was really sweet. She jumped on top, grabbed the thing at the base and got something more in there. And then she swirled around a bit. And I saw these tits in front of me. I went, whoa! Yeah, it was another four years, I got my second shot. But, um, just so repressed. So I got to be successful. I got to have money. I got to have muscles. Went to the gym and built the muscles. You know, I got to be cool. I got to be good at sport. I got to be all these fucking things before a woman will ever consider me. So I know that a lot of guys out there probably have that sort of, you might not have been a virgin but you might just be with a girl and you're like, why am I? But you're too scared to leave because you're not confident of anything. Actually, James, continue on. Well, yeah, so I mean, we did things very differently because you know, for me growing up it was about music and experience and drugs and people. And so I incrementally learned to be good with girls over a period of 10 years. Whereas he did the crash course. Yeah, where it's, was it like 31 when you kind of quit the whole finance game and he just went on this endless loop of the world. And I'm a well-traveled man. I've done like 40 countries or something like that and he's done over a hundred. Yeah, he's the most well-traveled person that I think I've ever met. Because I think he was really trying to make up for that lost time where he was just like, fuck it, I'm gonna go and experience as much of life as I can through travel, through women, through self-expression, through spirituality. And that was what I really liked about him was that for a guy starting out on a very different path when you're in your 30s most people have already calcified by that time. That's like, well, I know what I am and you just do what you're doing. And he just, you know, flipped and did the complete opposite because he knew that, well, if I keep doing this I'm just gonna waste my fucking life.