 So, we are now writing down in fact, let me write down here itself pre workshop the budget and they say about 35 teachers we will put this at about 35 teachers average it may be slightly less and more. Actually, if you ask me the correct way of engineering costing is not like this. The correct way of engineering costing is to do a minimum fixed cost because even if you are 10 participants those minimum fixed cost you have to have. You have already engaged a colleague who has done some Golagiri work you have to honor him or her. You have to pay the institution some money for when you are conducting this lab the management cannot use half the lab if it even if it is free for something else. So, the lab cost like the all rental whatever all those costs you will have to spend there is a fixed budget. Then there is a per candidate budget actually the number of candidates more the budget will be more. I would suggest that at this stage let us agree on one thing as a thumb rule 3 lakh rupees budget per centre is approved assuming that there are 35 candidates. If there are more candidates at some place and if there are less candidates at some place we will work out details with the individual centres to contract or expand this appropriately with full understanding not one way from I is that a fair this thing. Mukta we had put 20 lakh rupees per centre in our budget 2 lakh rupees per centre in our budget that has just become 3 lakhs. That is well you go for 10 minutes this is what happens. So, now do not go anywhere. But I have taken the responsibility of convince the mandarin in Delhi that when the main project starts the budget will be 3 lakh rupees per centre. Because all of us conclude that if 3 lakh rupees are given then the 2 week physical engagement can be done even supporting teachers stay and food and in fact there is a agreement that if teachers come and stay at that place the participation will be greater. And we have agreed that the travelling allowance support will be limited to 1000 rupees if respect of what is the actual travel cost. So, this will encourage people to go to nearby places if they really have to travel if they are on vacation that is a different matter. So, this is this is agreeable. So, paisa do not do abhi keer that is your responsibility. I will help you the question that he is raising is what to do if institutions do not have accommodation. I will tell you sir that for Mumbai colleges it will be best to stick to those teachers who do not require accommodation. That means please do not admit participants from South India as he was suggesting. Let all South Indians go to Bhopal. You say I will take people from Borivali, Viral, Bandra, the other Matunga whatever whatever is that is that ok. So, we will not make residential thing compulsory. We will say that this people wherever this organization can be done depending upon the facility a keyword liquefaction depending upon the facilities available the remote centers will be making arrangements for stay and food. They can contact the respective to find out whether they are accommodation. In fact, better still on our website we should clearly state which RC has accommodation and this and which RC does not have. So, that it will be very clear. So, South Indians will not go to him or North Indians also for that. But how do you handle then if you the hotels I mean the kind of budget that we have as I told earlier in that day the D.A. rates in Delhi are such that either you can stay in Dharamshala and remain hungry or you can stay in Dharamshala and remain hungry. As I told earlier in that day the D.A. rates in Delhi are such that either you can stay in Dharamshala and remain hungry or you can stay on footpath and eat some chana batura once a day. Period. There is no sense in it. He is talking about those colleges who do not have that accommodation. We have actually we have in IIT Bombay use hostels for accommodation to for faculty members when we did not have guest house accommodation. It is possible. It all depends upon how you can arrange. But that reminds me if I have to print the first version of brochure and send it every RC must tell me accommodation and food facilities. Yes. No. Food facilities will be there. No, no. Food. Ok. Accommodation. Food. What I mean by food facilities is lodging and boarding in that sense. If that is yes or no. So, feedback forms that you have you have not submitted it. I am sorry there is a problem because we generally collect anonymous feedback. Because we expect a lot of criticism and people are hesitant in writing critical comments if their names are also written there. So, the feedback form does not indicate that. But is there any other mechanism? They cannot write it on the feedback form. So, do me a favour. Just get a blank paper circulated. In that blank paper just write the name of your institute and yes or no. We will assume that yes or no is related to accommodation. As simple as that. But this we should have. No, no, no. But that is your decision. I cannot impose. But I have to inform participants. I do not mind. I do not mind so that you can discuss it with your management and find out whether as someone was suggesting hostels could be used etc. But this has to be like ASAP. Because if I have to meet the deadline of 10th May, I will keep other material ready. But against the list I will print whether accommodation available or not available. And that I would like to get feedback as early as possible preferably by within next 2 or 3 days. Let us also assume what is the default in case I do not get information from you. I understand all that. But what I am asking is a simple question. Let us say I want your feedback by 30th. So, I will write it here in fact. Accommodation availability 30th April midnight. All deadlines are midnight. Because they are all email deadlines. We will not count the delay caused by our servers at this time. The dispatch time stamp should be before 30th midnight. What is the default? If I do not get anything, I am going to print the name of your institution anyway. So, what is the default? Yes or no? No is the default. Professor Karnan since you have come. He is by the way the principal investigator of the national mission project. I am merely a co-PI. So, you see how I transgress my authority without even asking him I have announced this. We just agreed that at 2 lakh rupees per 2 week course is not feasible unless they charge something more. IST does not want us to charge. And also charging will be differential. So, to remove all that we all discussed and agreed that if the per centre funding is 3 lakh rupees then they will be able to accommodate everything including limited travel grant of up to 1000 rupees assuming people becoming by nearby places and stay and food for all the people where they have accommodation. Where they do not have accommodation will appropriately reduce the funding to that centre. So, the cost of the project has just gone up slightly. That is the only thing I wanted to say. So, you were observing on the budget something. So, 3 lakhs is fine. See my PI is so cooperative, he has approved. End of the matter. Sir, what do you do when people don't have accommodation? Where are they going to stay and what are they doing? No, so here we discussed that that is likely to happen in Bombay colleges for example or main city colleges. However, in most such cases all the participants will be from local colleges. So, just like even today we have people from our friends from Don Bosco and others who are not staying in the guest house because they are commuting. So, if we have such teachers then that will cost less and we will accordingly arrange the budgets for this. But if you approve this that is fine. Anyway I had anticipated that and already told them that it is approved. Only Kalpana is troubled because she has to find some money actually that she will figure out. She has been doing a good job of it. Actually she has a very funny reputation. Earlier we got some funding for conducting such workshops etc. which are this thing. But by charging money to participants because these were CEP courses she actually made money instead of spending money. So, we had to conduct 10 extra workshops to spend all the money which she saved. But that was small amount. So, that is it only proves that she is a good manager but not good spender. Anyway, so this is agreed then. This is the pre-workshop thing. There is something additional that we need to do in the pre-workshop and that is our own interaction and continuous ablation. So, we will have to do the let us say co-ordinators model. I will call it co-ordinators model for this CS 101 whatever name we give. I will set this up by May Day is a good target. First May and we will try to ensure that all of you the same user IDs that you have given. You remember those user IDs, right? But you would have set passwords afterwards. That would be a problem perhaps. So, I do not know whether I can get that decoded password file from them. So, what I will do is to begin with I will set your user IDs with the same password and then you change it. So, your user ID and your password is same as your user ID. So, first time you login then you set it. Initially, you will all be registered there as students. I will be registered as a teacher and we will use it as a collaborative site to get these things done. So, you can see all postings and so on. Like my CS 64 course the information system course I will organize the files and other things we can you can see notifications etcetera whatever. And a discussion forum that we will start on this model will finalize the detailed syllabus that is the most important thing for which I think the understanding was that I should put up a format in which you will fill up these things for everything and we will compile all of that. So, detailed syllabus then schedule, workshop schedule. Similarly, every activity that we do for promotion for example, we send these brochures to let us say thousand colleges then there will be a separate document listing the names of all those thousand colleges to whom we are sending this. The brochure itself will appear on the model and in fact since we have decided to do a collaborative work I will put the draft of the brochure. Kalpana can we put a deadline to this? Since 10th of May we have to send that means by 7th of May they should be discharged. So, let us say the first draft of the brochure will appear on the 1st May itself. I can see that because I only issue commands. She is the computer which has to execute the algorithm. That is the problem. No, but we were I mean I was just joking. We will do that. We have no choice by the way. What I would submit is that if you have any observation on the brochure contents please be very quick in giving the feedback. We would like to please understand that the logistics of printing 5000 brochures will take a minimum of 3 days then dispatch. So, we will do a parallel processing of collecting addresses and whatever. But we will also like to post these things in time. So, this is priority. All other things will have 4 weeks duration almost 8 weeks duration in between. And what we will do then is even the detailed activity that we need to undertake collaboratively for preparation this itself we can arrive at through some discussion. So, I will put up some schedule of detailed schedule of what weekly thing you I think you raised it to somebody raised it. What we should do every week kind of thing roughly because each one of you will have different engagements. Now, exam will start correction work will come. But does not matter. Some people may not be able to do work immediately. Some people will be able not able to do later. Overall I think as long as these 20 people cooperate we should be able to get a good thing. Okay. Then there is a post workshop activity. The post workshop activity which I have not written we have said that 22nd July the teachers will go back. We are saying that the teachers must work for 2 weeks. I am presuming that the first year courses will not start before middle of August. That is universally true in the whole country unfortunately except for some places. But even if they start we will assume that the teachers will work from 23rd July to something like 7th August. And we will expect that they will continue to contribute in the course moodle that we have set up. Okay. I still do not know whether I will be able to make a distributed moodle by that time. Which means that the teachers going to your RC their submissions etc. are visible to you and also visible to us. We will figure out how to do that. But we will set up a single moodle. We will probably call these batch 1, batch 2, batch 3 or batch Coventur, batch Pune. No Pune means batch COEP, batch Vijethia. But Amruta 1, batch Amruta 2, whatever whatever. We can figure that out. I think I will go by Professor Ranade's experience in setting up batch wise moodle. The composite moodle will be available to us. Okay. And then from 7th August, now this is the hard work for you. Will one physical week be sufficient for you to collate and put all the material together which they have submitted. This will be there on the same moodle side. You may only have to add more comments. You may just have to say okay this you can include, this you cannot include. Like questions and answers particular. That which they give. We want a second opinion. Whether the wording of the question is correct. Whether it is meaningful or not. If you ask me the contribution to the question bank will be the most crucial which need to be quality checked. The contribution to slides and other things we can simply include them with attribution to them. So even if it is a lousy side everybody will know a slide is not good. And during the course we will tell them that please be very careful of what you submit because your name is going to be associated with the rest of your life. So I think people will take care. But still some editing kind of thing at your end would be useful. So how long will it take? We have said one week's work. But one week's work when you are free you can do work for one full week. But then you will be busy by that time. So should we say not one week, not even two weeks but one month with again some kind of a prodding by Kalpana every weekend with a list saying this week only these people have submitted something etc. So 7th August to 7th September we will say consolidation by RCs. When should we release the web portal for the subject? Because we will require a minimum of two months time to do post-production editing of all the materials that we have collected. I am not talking about the consolidation of this material. So if the course ends on 22nd of July then August, September, October at least three months. So that means our post-production editing we do want to spend time in this by there because we want to make it the best. This is the pilot so everybody will view this. So post-production editing will end only by October end. When is Dasheera or Diwali this time? Traditionally in India Vijaya Dasmi is regarded as the best time to launch something new, right? So let's say portal launch. Well we will figure this out. This is slightly post-production so we can take some bangas. But to ensure that we actually stick to some timetable I want to announce this publicly. Very good. 28. Okay. Just tell Sameer the bad news. He just lost one month, 20th September. 28. 28. Yeah. And post-production editing should therefore end by 25th September. Good. We have a whole timetable shown up. Any other important point that we have missed? Please. Yes. I will tell you why. Because immediately after that they will end up starting to teach the course. And therefore like you they will also become very busy. Further there are two principles that I would like to state or restate you may know. One work expands to fill up available time. So if you give more time, generally we take more time to do the same work. Second unlike you who are in the thick of things right from today and you are going to be there because you are coordinators. Many teachers will be able to do a better work when things are fresh in their mind. If you ask me ideally I would have like to conduct this as a four-week workshop where the remaining two weeks also teachers remain there and actually do this work collaboratively with discussing with each other. Since it is not feasible because of the cost. Otherwise you will ask me 3 lakh rupees more. And the teachers will not come for a four-week engagement. Nobody wants to be away from family for four weeks. Simple, if they do not submit. So that assignment will have to be done. That is the good point. That is the path of our activity here. Which assignment should be given to which teachers from which place? I am not of the opinion that we should restrict this topic to this center or this topic to that center. But I am rather saying that for every topic something must come from everyone. So if you read my theme paper I have given what kind of expectations from teachers are there. As long as they do it for something or the other you want to ensure that everybody does not give questions only on pointers. So therefore we will have to decide depending upon the number of participants we have to give them topics and say on this topic you work on this topic you work on this topic. But it is a good point that you raise and Kalpana we should do something about it to decide on a strategy and announce it to all RCs beforehand and then RCs to implement. And we will not do anything before putting up that decision as a suggestion on the model all of us commenting on it and then the co-ordinators or IIT Bombay deciding saying ok go ahead. So that we do not do anything which we will have to later on have a problem. But that is a good point. Anything else that we have missed anything else that is significant? Sir we added assignment sir. Sorry? Assure. Assure. In fact the by the way this collaborative content contribution need not start only after the workshop ends. It can go on during these two weeks also. In fact that will be useful. You have these teachers to make some contribution on a topic today. So you get 35 questions every morning. What is the harm? You get those 35 questions maybe you will reject most of them but it is a good experience for them also. See framing questions is not very easy by the way. So let people gain some experience as assignments In fact we will keep some assignment as framing questions on a topic. That is a good idea. If there is some background work that people need for instance we came up with a Shagas syllabus which we talked about for a Yes. Yes. Let us say I go back and I see that in Anna University something else is followed as Sparrow Man. Yes. We do this background work before. Please very wonderful session. Please keep your eyes and ears open. If your friends in far away places who are not represented here please ask them proactively as to what is the subject or something like that. We will also be attempting to collect this. If you get to see anything, if something is substantially different and orthogonal we cannot do anything about. We have agreed that it will be C C plus plus. But if there is something different like in terms of unit definition emphasis definition please try to collect that because we want to make this as useful as possible. Fair enough. Okay. So we conclude this with a lot of promise to each other to do a lot of work over the next whatever three months four months. But believe me if this experiment succeeds the nation is going to remember us as the first ones who did this. You know that that stature nobody can take away from us and that is why it is a responsibility that we do have good job. But imagine if thousand teachers many of you run your ME programs right? You look at the quality of ME students that you get today. If that quality becomes twice as good wouldn't you be happy? That's the point. Okay. We are personally looking at large number of very better prepared students coming to our M Tech programs by the way. So it's a what should I say? Yeah. Please. The answer is always yes but informally I will never say this. For such people what you should do is you should take care to inform them that you are seeking permission from the course coordinator at IIT Bombay. I am telling you in advance that I have said yes already and I will never say no any time. But I will have to say yes to a specific request and then you do it. Otherwise what happens is you basically what you are doing is you are not giving an appropriate weightage to those who applied in time and got registered. So these extra people how to go through some anxiety of 24 hours one day or something like that where permissions are being sought and obtained. It is the same thing as IST. I have no doubt in my mind that IST will approve that 4 week workshop. But technically I have to say it is likely to be approved till I get the approval then I will post it on the website. Okay then. So with this we conclude this course. Thank you very much.