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It has been a minute Tyler since we've actually done a podcast and Matt's Tyler Matt Matt's collars Matt's Tyler Matt's is really bad I was trying to fix it before we started but it's not it's still curling who knew I don't know iron where the shit it doesn't matter same anyways welcome to the next cast we have taken a few weeks off we we did one like in the middle of a break but we will we will string some episodes together now we are we're back from our real life shenanigans and everything should be settling down now hopefully so we should be able to string a few together and get back on track hopefully anyways this is a Linux cast we talk about Linuxy things and Matt's not looking at the camera again because what when is he probably should probably should learn how to do that Matt you make a few videos every once in a while who needs to look at this thing come on now took a few weeks off have no clue what I'm doing what else is new just putting that out there anyways today we're going to be doing a color scheme tier list now I know that if you listen to the audio version of this you're like oh god this is going to be the worst episode ever because I can't see what a like you can just so there's a color scheme named after glow and we're going to rank that and the audio listener is like what does that look like so so if you're if you're listening to the audio version of this and you actually make it past this point bless your heart if you if you don't we apologize for that go on youtube or an odyssey or whatever or peer tube and watch the video version we apologize for doing a video basic topic that is video only so we'll go back to our regular standings after this we were that's why we don't do tier lists every day but you know again I apologize to the audio listeners we'll try to make it as audio friendly as possible but you can't describe a color scheme as well as you probably should but anyways there's that that's what we're going to do before we do we're going to talk about our weeks since so we haven't talked in a while in open source I'm going to go first because I have rants is it okay if I go first yeah I was actually going to say I wanted like I wanted to hear yours first it's been a while I know we got a lot to catch up on I have a couple but so I have been setting up a home lab I bought a I I did not do it the way Josh told me to do it I'm sorry Josh for not listening to you but I did it the way that I needed to do it so Josh sent me a computer case that would work well for an ass it has a whole bunch of hard drive enclosures spaces and stuff like that but I had had no clue no interest in building another computer I have no interest in it whatsoever I don't want to get all the parts I don't have to worry I don't want to worry about things not working together or things being broken or met not knowing how to do shit I didn't want to do that I wanted something pre-built so and I looked into just getting an actual NAS like from Synology whatever and those things are expensive as fuck I didn't so I didn't want to do that so what I ended up doing was I had or I ordered a old like Dell Optiplex machine with like a i7 47 something or the other and it's a few years old and I set that up and then I got an external hard drive enclosure with eight base now everyone tells you don't use USB storage like don't use it because it's very unreliable I've been using USB storage for 20 years it's fine I know how to deal with it you know I'm sure there are reliability issues but as long as I have back ups I'm gonna be fine I know it's not the right way to do it but it's the way that I need to do it got it all set up got the hard drive enclosure got two 12 terabyte hard drives and I shut the fourth or a 16 terabyte hard drive out of an external drive put all those in there got the radar ray going and the the radar way I talked about this on the lug this past Thursday and the the raid was really easy got it all set up got all of my data from the external hard drive transferred over to the radar ray everything worked fine took about three days to transfer over 10 terabytes of data but it was fine because I was transferring over USB to oh my god oh my god that machine doesn't have USB three it wasn't around yet okay that's how old it was okay that's good so my plan for that home lab is to set up several things so I want to run Plex on it I want to run next cloud I want to run like image I want to run a couple things like quite a few things I want to play around Steve has talked about DACA a lot and all of his DACA stuff he's gotten me interested so I'm going to try out some of that stuff but Plex was the main reason I wanted to do this because I didn't want to run Plex Plex on this main machine anymore just because I wanted to actually be able to turn it off at night or turn it off during the day if I want to without you know interrupting my ability to stream music which that way I can you know get rid of Spotify and get rid of Apple Music all this stuff I had forgotten just how horrible Plex is with external hard drives like oh my god I for and I like you go a while without dealing with Linux permissions and you forget how fucking horrible Linux permissions actually are like they are so fucking confusing and even when you think you understand like I've been using Linux full-time now for six years maybe seven years and you know I thought I knew permissions but it turns out I don't know shit so I've been struggling for two days trying to get Plex to actually see my directories of music and movies and TV shows still haven't been able to do it I've done everything you can think of everything you can think of so I started off with it mounted in my home directory not the best thing but I thought if I had it in the home directory I'd have a better job of dealing with permissions because it wasn't all route wasn't a good idea but it was fine I figured you know I figured I could still work around that by giving it the appropriate permissions like I could I ended up giving it seven seven four I gave it seven seven five permissions both of those neither one of those worked I changed I added the plex user to the matte group that didn't work I had I added the matte user to the plex group and gave plex ownership of the directories that didn't work I changed I changed the whole damn pile path to seven seven seven permissions like that was like literally blown wide the fuck open and it still did not work so that was in the home directory so I was like at this point I was still transferring over data so I was like I'll wait until all the data is transferred over and then I will I will change the fs tab so it instead mounts in the root directory or an mnt or whatever and we'll do it from there that helped a little bit so that I could actually so plex was always able to see the directory where I had it mounted but it couldn't see anything in it when it was in the home directory now I moved it to the root directory it can see the directories in there but they're all grayed out and I can't navigate to the actual directories that have the the media in it and that's with going through and doing all of the you know adding to a different group adding plex to the group changing to the ownership changing the permissions so that you know they have proper permissions and all this stuff I've done all of that still won't let me do it I'm at a loss as to what to do next to be honest with you because I can't my only thing left to do is to give the entire drive seven seven seven permissions like the entire I don't want to do that because this drive has not just media it has all my tax documents on it all family photos I really don't want to give plex just random plex which has access to outside ports and bullshit you know access to all of that I'd really prefer not to do that but that's the little like the only thing left I have left to try I've put a help tech support issue in my discord if anybody knows how to fix this or is interested in helping me work through this join my discord help me in the in the tech support thing that I put up there because I could use it I am at my wit's end with this and it just drives me absolutely bonkers like I like I've I don't think that there's a combination of permissions on that directory that I haven't used and the thing is like I've used I've done the whole recursive thing so I've made it so that it can see the drive or the directory that the drive is mounted to and the directory that the media is in and then the all the directories that are inside of that every sub directory so I did did all that still didn't work drives me bonkers so I haven't had a chance to get next caught or any other stuff up and running I've been fucking around with plex drive me nuts so I hate you Linux permission with with a passion I'm going to use windows I am happy that at least one person believed you when you said that like was like oh okay so he is going to be he is going to be okay actually my I'm doing something extraordinarily similar to what you're doing like very very similar I'll let you know how my experience goes because I'm using jellyfin instead of plex I don't think it'll be all that different I try jellyfin couldn't get to work here really still couldn't see the fucking drives but I think that the reason why I couldn't get to see couldn't get to see the drives is because at that point I'd been messing around with plex for two days and plex still had ownership of the directories so I'll need to change this back and see because I used the the flat pack of jellyfin and now ran fine on this pc here and you just have to give it permission with flacil but I think because of the way I had the permissions I've just messed around with the permissions way too much I think that's the reason why I'm sorry I interrupted you but yeah that's I tried try jellyfin no so yeah that's what that's what I'll be trying but my are it is it all for your week I'm sure I'll come up with something else just go go ahead so here's what I've been up to I am selling I sold my car and I'm moving all of my savings and stuff around and so in that process I'm I'm getting a new vehicle and I also bought probably the most reckless purchase I've ever ever made I went to the apple store oh god and spent a ridiculous sum of money so essentially the catalyst for all of this is I am going to be moved like I'm going to be going up to Kentucky I'm going to be traveling just a lot more throughout the year and I've got an audio interface a nice camera and stuff and I've got this like nice setup and I'd like it to be more mobile so my plan and idea was get something very powerful like very power efficient that still has good performance will last me at least a while and then take my desktop computer and turn it into an actual like family like the entire home server I've really wanted to take my entire desktop and turn it into a server for a long time that I can access remotely and work off of so that's what I did I spent over $2,000 at the max store and this is the most incredible part of this I go in there ready to drop the most money I have ever at one time spent on a computer ever in my life the lady looks at me like as she's going through my order like you know they're going to the back to get it and everything and she's going through the order it looks at me it goes decent order decent decent like white no this is a great order but yeah so I got um I got my desktop computer all set up in another room of the house I've got proxmox running on it which it like it's been I I have tried proxmox before and installed it before I have not done that in a long time and so going back over proxmox has actually been very enjoyable one of the smallest features of proxmox but is probably like my favorite feature is they have a markdown readme file that you can just like edit in there and like keep track of like your goals for the server things you need to work on like stuff like that which I just find to be awesome but yeah so the experience with a Mac so far has been surprisingly good but I'm not giving up on any of the like nice things I had before like I still have my Linux box I'm I'm going to be able to expand it more have a jellyfin server next I'm doing pretty much the same shit you are with yours I'm making a you know a centralized server home lab for the house so I'm pretty excited about all that I can't believe you bought a Mac no I can't believe it I'm well really in all honesty I mean you you were talking to me when I had my sister's M1 MacBook Air and I was very impressed with that thing but it was just too anemic and also I don't just want a Mac like I couldn't do I I like Linux I really really like Linux and Linux is just not going to be good on Apple silicon for a long time so so are you going to try are you going to try acai acai or whatever it is Linux on it I don't think acai supports past the M2 line but if support comes and it's decent and when I say support come in it's decent that means GPU acceleration is at least functional yes I will give it a shot actually try it out on it but I am kind of nervous about like I will not ever make the statement that I'm definitely going to run Linux on this thing only because the battery life is redone like it is absolutely redonkulous it is so good absolutely like the best but if Linux you know has really good battery life on it who knows maybe that's maybe that is what I'll end up running hopefully cool so eventually we're going to be doing the Linux cast from a van that should that should be cool well maybe maybe my whole family was not too keen on me buying property out out of state going and building so they've they've all convinced me to just put my money in savings wait I'm sorry but you just know that if that does happen if he ends up in the back of a van to do a like even it's just like one episode he just he he everyone knows that the reason why he's doing this is so he can go into a McDonald's parking lot have a shit ton of nuggies right there yep so he can control Matt the whole episode so he can just he can just do it from the driver's seat just keep going around and ordering nuggies everywhere do you know how epic that would be do a live stream from a van where like it's done up on the inside where it kind of looks like a super just a really small apartment space or something like that and like I'm sitting there eating nuggies doing the podcast still kind of messing with you and like towards the end of the podcast I just sling the van door open and you just see a McDonald's in the background like hold on boys I gotta go get more it's like a McDonald's employee like you know you're like in the the mobile drive-up order spot and there's somebody bring you out nuggies that would be great like Tim and it's in the podcast you just hear a knock on the van slide it open oh thanks ma'am you forgot the sauce so here's the question that I have to ask you about all the stuff you're doing you were big into NixOS here about half a minute ago what's going on with your NixOS stuff you just took a plan on working on that or what yeah yeah absolutely yeah nothing I guess I should have said that nothing's changing with this any OS stuff I'm that's that's getting a pretty decently powered virtual machine and I'm going to pass in my graphics card into that so I can use that for like gaming and have a like gaming VM now obviously competitive shooters because it's a VM most likely if I play those I'm going to get banned but luckily for me I don't play a lot of competitive shooters anyway so that's not really my like big interest so I am pretty excited to be able like once I have that set up I'll be able to literally play like Daisy on my MacBook no problem so I'll be able to game do all my zany OS development so nothing's really changing it's just going to be instead of zany OS being like literally my laptop's main operating system I'll just be using it from the computer I was originally using it from any makes sense okay I have another rant I'm just going going right back to it so just this is just a quick one and this isn't anything new but I just wanted to say this if you pay for 12 terabytes you should get 12 terabytes by the way like this is a problem obviously it's been around for the since the history of computers but you buy buy 12 a 12 terabyte hard drive or you give it four terabytes or whatever you only get like three quarters of what you pay for like just advertise what they actually are like if it's it's a 10.9 terabyte hard drive it's not a 12 terabyte hard drive like it's not because I don't have access to those 12 that drives me that's anyways that's that was my rant like so I bought I found this place where's my browser like there's this place called let me see if I can actually find it I can't see anything it's called server part deals and that's where I got the hard drive from so they're like a manufacturer we certified hard drives and they were like I had 12 terabytes for 100 bucks so I got two of those and eventually I will go through and you know get some more from there and they they're gonna work fine like I'm sure people say oh don't buy don't buy used whatever but the hard drive problem still drives me nuts like and it's like 40 years later and it's still a problem so there another rant okay did we start a did we did we start a apple hate in the in the chat yes absolutely okay so I heard somebody say we should then you should just get an iphone like Tyler already has an iphone I literally already have an iphone I have an ipad pro with the apple pencil like I do have all of those things so just so we can alienate people really hate apple I too have an iphone if it makes me feel better I have a linux phone here it's um garbage but it's here well I mean I like I have six android phones like I mean like I don't know like it's one of those things where like I don't love apple as a company but I do like their phones and the integration between all of my devices is nice I mean do I think it's better than like linux no because you can pretty much replicate all of those features on linux anyway it's it's not as tightly integrated as like neat but still does the same job so the thing that keeps me on iphone just random uh offshoot is the apple watch like the apple watch is just miles in the way better than any android watch that's out there just absolutely is so and I'm a watch guy like I have a watch on like I don't know if you can see this I have a watch on it's it's just way it's been all right anyways way too many tangents we do need to get back on get on track here and actually do this thing we're running on four o'clock so let's go ahead and talk about color scheme so again if you're on the audio version of this we'll do our best we will post a the copy of the tier list after this on mastodon and I'll post a link to it in the video description as well when I post these later on so that way if you want to see where they are well so I'll also link to the website where we're going to find the vast majority of the scheme so if you want to actually see the schemes that we're talking about you can go to this website and by the way I found I found it in like five minutes so actually can you well no I'm just saying this thing has a link where you can download all the color schemes like this website is kind of awesome anyways I will also post this in the chat just now so you guys can actually see these see this here so this has a link of all like I don't know there's there's hundreds of these color schemes so we're gonna we're gonna go through a few of these we're gonna we're gonna start off with the big ones so that we don't have to because nobody knows what blue blue loco zsh light actually is turns out but anyways the way we're gonna do this is we'll do this in GIMP I don't have color schemes don't have logos so I couldn't upload logos to the thing that we did we used last time so we're just going to kind of cheap out and use just regular GIMP on this and it should be fine so first uh let's go ahead and rank one dark Tyler what do you think one dark where should it go I'm gonna have to say I mean it's good but it's not the best it's got to go up towards the top though it's one dark I have problems with one dark but it's not one dark's fault my problem with one darks is that there's so many freaking offshoots of it that look exactly the fucking saying now like I said that's not one dark's fault it nobody he didn't ask to get forked 9,000 times but it did I think I have one dark fatigue but you're right it probably should it should go at the top so b tier a tier what do you think I think it's b tier b tier it it's great it's not perfect one dark okay that's how we're gonna do it guys we're just gonna we're just gonna type it in the tier that's all we're gonna do all right so uh the chat says s tier but uh that's that's not true there's only one color scheme that's s tier I'm just kidding that is well I mean that is true that is true we're gonna disagree on it though we're gonna disagree on this so 100% 100% yeah all right so let's uh let's go to another one here let me open up so let's uh let's go ahead and do dracula next dracula where you think that should go uh dracula is an a tier a tier it's objectively gorgeous it works with pretty much everything they've they've made it like you don't have to do any work to get that color scheme and pretty much any program a tier I think I can agree with that you could make a case for it being s tier but it's it's close like it's close to s tier like I would be the way I would define s tier is that I could use it for a long period of time and not get sick of it you know what I mean like Nord I'd get sick of it very fast one dark I'd get sick of it very fast like there are a lot of them like I could use it for like one or two days but eventually like uh shades of blue right like everything's fucking shades of blue like there are other fucking colors other than blue like come on like at least like dracula took purple I mean that's good it's great it's something different so yeah I I agree eight here we're very close to s tier all right let's see if we can caput you call it capuchin um capuchin capuchin it's like it's like cappuccino like but without the hole right it's supposed to be but everyone just calls it capuchin let's just pause for a second and acknowledge that this is the worst fucking name for colors came up it's so bad and like like at least let us pronounce it right like where are we gonna put capuchin and I'm not gonna spell it right by the way in grove some people are gonna complain about this but I think it is also an a tier I think it it sits right above one dark but like inside of the category it should go below dracula like dracula is great capuchin does a lot of what dracula does but you know obviously with its own style so I'd have to say hey just because all the usability like capuchin is just as easy to onboard for the dracula I would agree with that also it has a huge ecosystem like dracula does so you can find your g2k themes qt themes terminal schemes basically anything you want to find it has a version of four four has an option for that which is good I think that that's important for a high level tier is to have like a lot of these are just great terminal themes that like somebody went to terminal sexy made a nice theme and that's like all you can do is get it for a terminal you can't find a g2k theme to go along with it you can't find a browser theme to go with it and stuff like that so I think I think in order for anything to be above a c tier for me it has to have all those things so I agree a tier on cat capuchin whatever the fuck you want to call it it's it's a nice thing and it has variations which are good the main one's the best but I know a lot of people are really high on some of the the off the offshoots of it so there's there's mocha macchiato latte which is the light version nobody uses that frappe so there's there's like four different versions has anybody actually used the light version it doesn't look very good to be honestly it just looks very you know light but I'm gonna we'll try to rank some light versions that are good we'll get there but anyways yeah so there's that one you got a you got a next one that you'd like to to rank tyler don't make me come up with all these people are asking people are asking about tokyo night so I think we should go ahead and rate that one because that one is a very popular one well where do you think that one should go okay so I'm actually trying to show these on screen as we as we come up to them now is it just mirrors that look exactly like cat poochin I know tokyo night was around first but they look very similar don't they they look really like and they're both like again that blue background like it's nice I was gonna say I would say beat beat here because it looks like a one dark clone kind of I don't I don't know what the ecosystem looks like I don't think I've ever actually used it for any long period of time what about you what do you think I have used tokyo night I do really like tokyo night but it is very similar to one dark and I don't think tokyo night has as has as many like software support built in where you don't have to go and build a config or integrate it I I would probably say like I'm torn between B and C on this one look at this again so they has variations tokyo night tokyo night light tokyo night storm tokyo night regular looks actually better than the others I don't know yeah I could be I could be sold on B or C I say we just because it does have variants all that stuff probably put it with one dog okay all right we've done that one all right what's next so let's go ahead and do what's the name oh let's see if they have it so let's see ambiance is that is that the name of the the ubuntu one's ambiance no no it's I think it's yaru yaru it used to be something with it so we don't have a yaru here yaru I know a lot of people actually use this see if I can find a picture of it yeah that's that's yaru some people still use this so what do you think where do you think yaru should go so it's not as uh eggplanty as it used to be I think it should get a solid detail only because it is I don't I don't know anyone using like I I don't know anyone installing yaru everywhere you know well I mean unless they use ubuntu exactly all right yaru I can I can live with yaru okay so what about um solarized shit man I put it below one dark in Tokyo night I put it at sea ain't a bad it it's a good thing I hate it with a passion I can't look I I I think it's a good theme it's readable it's just one of those like their choice in colors is either you're going to like it or apps like and when I say like it I mean really like like you're going to use it for a very long time or you literally can't even stand the sight of it it's actually upsetting it's the ugliest color scheme like by far but I think it's also the most polarizing color scheme because you're right the people who like solarized love it like will swear by it because it's like the most contrasty of contrasty which it's not by the way it's not white on dark that white on black that's that's the most contrasty of contrasty so I don't know I I would do e but if if you can we split the difference on d I like it let's do it all right solarized is for boomers damn it I love chat I think that we're going to piss off all the solarized people I just I just say there's a they're very they're very passionate about it so okay just somebody named their color scheme Vaj I'm sorry I like I'm just scrolling through here and there's like oh there's one called Vaj okay the fuck I'm going right back to you gotta you gotta love the internet man yeah all right okay go back to the top all right well you have another one well I mean we could do Nord or what was the other one that someone said that I was like oh yeah I totally forgot about that let's do Nord where do you think Nord would Nord should be I think okay I'm gonna I'm gonna throw out a very controversial opinion I think it is a D tier I don't think that's very controversial at least it's not controversial with me I'd say you're E tier and the reason why is because if you look let's actually look at the the color scheme if we go to the Nord color scheme if you just look at the the palette it's literally shades of blue like yes it has red orange yellow green and purple but most of it is just literally even the green is blue yeah like there's no there's no contrast whatsoever really in in Nord like it's not very good now it can be made to look good like if you're a really good themeer and you know how to do things to make it look good you can make it look good but I don't know I I a lot of people are saying A or B tier A or B tier I think I don't I would heavily disagree with that like do you guys really think that Nord goes with one dark in Tokyo night I know in terms of popularity it probably does if we were just doing a popularity contest it'd probably be up there I'm sorry to chat sometimes against me someone just commented Nord was made by a three-year-old trust me it is just blue all right so I'm gonna go I agree with you D tier by the way we didn't put this up front but when we did our distro tier lists people are like this is the most stupid thing ever this is just a whole bunch of opinions of course it's fucking opinions dude it's all opinions start the podcast off with like don't get too upset this is literally just our opinion I'm pretty sure we said that like 12 times during the distro tier list version we didn't we hadn't said it this time but this is these are all opinions okay everything subjective if you like solarized that's awesome I'm glad you like it does don't make me look at it okay like like it's fine Matt I think me and you can both agree that we definitely and there's no sarcasm in this statement we definitely define objective truth yeah absolutely absolutely okay next one uh grove box where's your I'll let you go first because I I have I have uh everyone knows my opinion I'm gonna piss off a lot of people see did you just did you just say seat here get off get off my podcast all right you could you could win me over to making it higher only because recently I discovered there I don't know because I do have a few different light light themes I can't remember which one it was that I I tried and have been using on the zany os and saw on my desktop for like a week or two but it's a grove box light theme and it is actually decent like the light theme is the best light theme that's not saying that much because it's still you know a light theme yeah the dark hard and the regular dark are by far the best color schemes in the universe period I will not accept a seat here for grove box I will riot before I let you you do this a seat here now if you'd said a tier I'm fine you know I don't want to be an I understand I'm biased because it's my color scheme I can't do without it but seat here Tyler something was in your weed this morning when you smoked it that was obviously not healthy for you you need to go to a doctor and find get that checked out I told you I don't set a lot of people I just don't like I don't like most of the grove box things I don't think they're objectively terrible but there is an argument to be made that it is quite close to a poopoo colored scheme there is a lot of brown okay so I know in your head all you wanted to say it was just fuck you that's all you wanted to say yes but so someone in the chat and I can't pronounce their name just compared it to solarized first off your band second of all your band third of all no I they don't look anything like but the idea is true like if you like solarized you really like solarized if you don't like solarized you don't like solar like we said with grove box it's kind of the same if you like it man do you really like it if you don't like it you probably hate it but seat here Tyler seat here all right look how are we how are we gonna how are we gonna compromise this because it's definitely set S tier you're you want S tier I'm setting C tier we can't just evenly meet in the middle no so all right you make an argument for it being a and I mean make a strong argument for it being a it has contrast it has a wide ecosystem as wide as Dracula cap Capuchin it has all the colors it's not just variations of blue like everything else is blue it has good icons if you use the icon thing it has support for you know good color schemes if you want to if you use it in them it has awesome syntax highlighting so you can actually see everything whereas you know a lot of the other ones there because they're all again blue like everything on here other than solarized or in Yaru is a blue thing basically even you can even argue that Dracula is kind of a blue thing because purple is basically blue I don't know colors don't don't listen to me but you get that Dracula is different it's not like all of the other ones and unlike solarized which could you could also argue is kind of like that it's actually looks good yeah yeah like also brown and orange I know people don't like brown a lot of times but if you just look at the brown orange and yellow they go together really really good I know yeah yeah get your head out of the gutter that's fine no I'm not I'm gonna laugh at what you said that's someone in chat they grow box looks like an unhygienic Indian street face I don't know why they got me as good as it is band band that person also oh look what the fuck are you doing dude so I got I look I timed him out for 60 seconds it's just a I think he knows better but he got all excited with the s tier he wanted to agree with you oh well in that case I'm ban him remove the time out you must come back all right look I'll concede a is a good spot for we're gonna have no s tears by the way zero s tears all right fine fine all right fine okay all right chat throw us around some some themes will you what's what's next okay let's we can go back to our list here while we're waiting for for chat to save us yeah chat is is pre-delayed so there's quite a few here oh ever forest is a good one where's ever forest going Tyler that one is a good theme but I don't think that one that one doesn't really have much like of an ecosystem around it it's it's mid it doesn't have as much as like Dracula cat cat pooch in but it has more than like do they have an icon theme no I don't think it does but I might be wrong I don't I think I don't think so I think I just honestly used the grubbox theme when I used it because it has green green icons and they kind of fit in you know well I I think ever forest I I could give it a B but I think it'd be more like a C like it's one of those middle of the road ones it's a very it's not a bad thing at all it's it's a good thing but I don't think there's a lot of a helping hand given to you with the thing let me argue for beat here it doesn't it doesn't have as good of a ecosystem as one darker Tokyo night that's true but like grubbox like solar eyes even though we rank solar eyes bad I did it's different like it's not blue like I think I'm I'm giving themes that aren't Nord or one dark based higher marks because they did they use they recognize that there are other colors in the rainbow other than blue you know I mean so I would argue for beat just because it's a little like it's different it has the different thing going for it what do you think I'll give it to it yeah all right ever forced in the B tier now the next one this one is where like if you thought grubbox set people over the edge this one's going to really set people over the edge what's next rose pine isn't that just a variation on ever forest not really all right I guess I might have to go look rose pine thing is it rose a pine or rose yeah like rose pine with with a chica over the e yeah yeah with the accent over it okay so I want you to do this I want you to go to that website for rose pine and then also go to the Tokyo night thing I love that you're actually trying to pronounce it right I I just won't I'm gonna call it rose so so just I'm just asking you if you go to Tokyo night and then you go right back to rose pine do they not look exactly the fucking same exactly the same okay so here's a here so here's the controversial take I think rose pine is actually an a or an s tier wait what rose pine is actually it's it's actually unique enough it's got an entire ecosystem built around it and it's actively developed like and when I say actively developed I mean quite act in your browser in your browser literally do this for me Tyler go to the Tokyo night theme and then go to rose pine they look exactly the same how can they be unique how can rose pine look be unique if it looks exactly like Tokyo night I I literally have Tokyo night open right now and I'm looking at it and they don't look the same I need to do I have g pic installed I do I'm just very fucking curious because I bet you I bet all right so the the base color of let me fuck Wayland in Wayland don't work in Wayland why would they go fuck yourself okay well we can't let's see if we have they're like the color palette here somewhere in in okay so the the base color of Tokyo night regular is one a one I knew this would this would upset people and I love the fact that I finally got the message Tyler you need a psycho therapist I need to let's see where's the where's like the background for it how do you have how do you give the palette without the actual colors there I found it to go I found it okay one nine one seven two four is is the base but it looks more like two six two three three a one a one b two one one a one b two six one nine okay they're like they're like that far off from each other in terms of base okay but I gotta be honest that that's my opinion I I think rose rose pine should be either with Tokyo night or above it and I I kind of I kind of personally think it should be right above it I think rose pine is better just just just a little bit not like alone I have no particular opinion on this other than the fact that it looks exactly the same as Tokyo night literally exactly the same they're all the same colors how about this since you have no opinion and literally every single person in chat it's like I need to go get my head checked I'm wrong we'll we'll compromise put it with Tokyo night put it as a big I think we're I think rose I cannot believe I'm in shock right now that we're having this conversation where a color scheme that no one's ever heard of before is a b tier but grove box was a c tier okay we can't be friends after this okay we're just no longer friends okay rose pine I don't have any that's what it's called right I don't even know the name that's how not a known that was okay whatever I can't weird I can tell I'm so glad I'm so glad okay we have to find another one so um adwaita adwaita where do you think that should go it's like that's like the default color scheme of linux we like to me I I'd have to say it absolutely has to go as a c tier it could go way lower in the list but I think c tier only because it is okay I know it's taken a long time but adwaita has come a long way from where it started like a lot the icons have come a long way the icons were always the worst part about it though that beige brown poop color and though that was actual like poop color like like but poop colored if you had too much like water or something I don't know it's not like the proper poop color is like Dracula or like grove box anyways the icons have come a long way they're but they're blue and I have things against blue colors um but yeah they have dark actually looks good you can actually look and see like dark looks good light is still but it's a light theme you can't blame it for being what it is yeah yeah it's it's bad by design but yeah I love that there's going to be like six people in chat who are like love light these are like screw you guys we have we have we should try to find one light colored theme to rank um e tier automatic the only one like we should just put light themes in e tier and leave that all that's there oh yeah just bold it make it like the font like six times bigger than everything else and just slap it in there light themes you guys expected us to take this seriously what come on now we will rank some my thing that was that was just for fun but all right so um add weight to you said c tier yeah someone commented there's no way you use grove box and then call anything else dukey colors that's true we want for me it's still the best it's the best color scheme look at look at this it's awesome that is a beautiful list we've got going I know uh anyways so add weight to this c I think that yeah it gets c just because it is the default of everything don't you think yeah and and at least now it is a theme that is good enough to be ubiquitous there's like I I definitely think it could use improvement but it is it's definitely contrasty enough for pretty much a majority of people and it like it it works with everything too like that isn't that is another big thing like there you're not going to find an application where like this is a duet of color scheme just literally doesn't even work right well because everyone especially if it's a g2k theme they all use it because they have to because it's exactly all right all right next we'll go to the other default breeze the default of kde plasma I'm going to be very that one's hard I'm a very controversial on this I think this is a d tier like not even that controversial for anybody it's not that good because it's not that good it's not I mean it's not I don't like the the problem with it is as a color scheme you can make it like if you design your application in a way and use the colors in a specific way it can look nice however most of the programs I've used with that theme don't look great if it makes it like colors aren't like delineated properly like you have I'm trying to think of a good example like in Caden live you have a lot of like blue for selections and then like gray for selections as well so like the color scheme will like a lot of applications use breeze in a way where it really does not look well but I I don't know that I can count that against I I actually think breeze is kind of fine but a c or d tier is where I'd end up with it anyway let's give it a C because it is kind of on par with adwaita it's not horrible but I wouldn't use it like C's that's what kind of like what C is it's it's not horrible but I would yeah you know I wouldn't use it right okay so breeze all right so let's go let's go find something different oops that's the wrong one here we go material dark do you know what this looks like yes okay so let's see if I can find it for the audience grow and it's right here okay so this is what material dark looks like right here another blue background okay I don't think I've ever used it to be honest with you let's see if what it has into the colors material design though that's gonna be google thing while finding this is really fucking hard I can send you a link please do oh you're gonna send a damn discord in there multiple places of having shit yep sorry that I tried to pick the one that was easiest and I figured he probably be on but where are you gonna actually gonna load that thing I have too many browsers open right now I have two different browsers so it's copying link go here this is great great great odd like radio listening for all you guys right now absolutely the finest well I mean I do this website doesn't have a palette I can't find the palette on it this is just the this is just the google material design this is not the palette yeah I thought this had the palette on it because I thought it was towards the bottom of the page no it's not it is on that list though that list that um list of on the icon of the color schemes that I sent earlier it is there I don't have an opinion on this at all to be honest with you I think it's good but I probably give it a C like it ain't incredible but it's it's good Darth Vader says this is the right one Darth if you have a link to the thing it's you're talking about then send us what you're talking about man and you can't you probably won't be able to send it in youtube chess and it's me on youtube or on discord material neo vim is what he said to search for oh okay here we go that looks like solarized kind of did you see that oceanic deep ocean yep I'm on the repo and I like the biggest thing for me is like the pale night looks like Tokyo night the deep ocean looks like oh good lord I'm blanking on the name of it it's it's just a darker Tokyo night like like a cat it's looks similar to cat pooch and mokin maybe or mocha but with a little bit of brighter contrast and then oceanic is literally like I mean that's so freaking close to solarized really does look at like that I and then the darker looks looks like grub blocks I mean I don't this one I don't I don't know about like my biggest thing would be it's designed for neo vim and I finding references outside of that like trying to like match up you know a specific version of this like deep ocean uh to a gtk theme to all that stuff probably is going to be a nightmare this one I'd give like a d tier I'm not going to be able to disagree with you I like I the darker version does look nice but again this kind of reminds me of grub box it's kind of it's kind of derivative sorry Darth um to be honest with you uh so that's material dark yeah where we where are we going here that's here so we're gonna go here here's from a tier dark yeah we looked at ever forest we that's ranked here in b tier anybody have anything else for us let's I know we when I asked for a whole bunch of people we'll sit out a whole bunch of them see if we can find find one uh Nate while you're editing this I'm so sorry for all the silences dude really sorry about that flat flat remix was one that was suggested what is it but I don't I don't really have much of a opinion on that and Josh Josh just text messaged me arc theme okay yo we should definitely do arc theme um because that's another big one it looks like no word like it looks like Nord it looks exactly like Nord does which came first arc or Nord that's the question I have because one of them is copying the other I am literally when I search for it see all right this one's going to be an automatic E tier for me only because when I search for it the only thing I can actually find that's about a color scheme that's relevant is a wordpress theme you called the arc really bad at google dude just click on the link in the i set in youtube chat oh lord okay it search for arc I didn't even spell it right and it's the first freaking result how am I getting a wordpress theme made for freelancers that cost 40 dollars that's the only what is happening with google man your google is broken I'm fine like I didn't even like I spelled it arc th en m th and me look let's be honest about what what's actually happening here okay I bought a macbook and so google decided that if I'm not just going to stick to my linux hardware and I'm going to go buy a hardware like hardware from a company if it's not a chromebook they're going to make my life a living hell that's probably actually probably more true because you're probably using safari right now are using safari I literally am I swear on god probably what's going on if you're you I'm using chromium and it works fine I swear that's what I'm going to have to start using for now on I can't keep on like this is my searches are horrific I think that this has to go with Nord I mean because it looks exactly like Nord but it does have an ecosystem so there you go I know that arc o linux was big on using art arc for a while I would I would where did we where did we put Nord we put Nord in D tier you think that's about D yeah all right yeah I mean it it seems like it's got a little bit well no not really I mean it is so close to Nord I bet you they're the same color palace I I couldn't actually find the color palette so I'd oh yeah I don't see the color palette at all neither do I I will say that I don't know what desktop environment they're using there maybe that's them has to be you know but that's a that's a nice looking panel they got there at the bottom cool that nice nice screenshot there our colleague and they did a good job so can I just have a little bit of ran here the worst color schemes are the ones that don't bother to put screenshots in their hub page like they just assume that you can go find it for yourself like that's great advertising do don't even put a screenshot there a stupid thing who literally needs to see a color scheme before they use it like why yeah why would you want to do that why I'm sure there are other ones let's see oh um like uh sonica monokai and um sonica are good ones that we could could rank so what about monokai that's a ton of variance yes and it and it also does have pretty pretty good contrast my only qualm about it it does have good support for like gtk themes I think if I remember right you can find stuff that goes well with it like you can use add weight to dark with it and it looks fine I don't think it has a specific one that goes along with it but I could be wrong about that but my biggest complaint about it is that it does have a hard time pairing a wallpaper with it that's not specifically made for it growing to be honest with you grovebox has that problem too right you can't use a really bright wallpaper with grovebox and have it look very good but because it's so popular there's quite a few made for it monokai is a little less popular so there's not nearly as many that are that look very good with it so that'd be my only kind of hit about where do you think that should go I put it with a c tier like it it's got options it doesn't really have nearly as many problems as things like nord but it's also not something like I I don't think monokai is one of those things where you see it and you have a good color scheme that you're really happy with and go oh I've got to leave like it's not one of the like I don't maybe people in chat will correct me but I I've never been looking for a theme and came across monokai and been like this is way better it's a good one it's a it's a good color scheme but I don't know I don't think it had well I don't know maybe you can make a good argument for it being beat here yeah I think I would go with beat here because I think it looks really good and it's not again again maybe I'm just being biased because it's not blue like if it's not blue I'm going to give it a look if it's not blue and it's not solarized I'm going to give it a little bit of a pass and all the variants it's not like it has like some of the some of them have variants they start off as blue but they have other like side variants or whatever this one has variations on what it is and it doesn't blue is not even a big part of it so I think that I'd argue for beat here yeah I think we go beat here for that technically it's monokai pro but it's okay let's see here so we got a couple other ones that we should probably talk about let's let's see if I can find them out here Nord light that just sounds horrendous okay let's see let's oh paper color light is a good one so let's talk about paper color light that's one of my favorite light themes not that that's saying much I still won't use it let me see if can you can you see paper color light because it does it I like it because it does have a little bit of contrast I'll either even though it does have you know problem showing white and white with the white version but what else are you gonna expect there where do you think this should go we should we should bring at least a couple white themes just to be fair well by nature of it being a light theme it is an E tier yes well let's try to be let's let's bring an objective objectivity in for the first time in this episode shall we it looks okay can we call it a D tier I'm trying to be fair all right D tier let's give it to it D tier okay paper color light when gim comes out with version 3.0 hopefully they've fixed the part where the cursures are hard to fucking grab onto things yep like you're very nice just just fix fix it please I don't ask for much I don't need much more than just being able to grab things when I point you know I point there I want to grab I don't want an inch and a half over well there's one called red sands that's kind of looks cool would you want a red background for everything though probably not no absolutely not it looks it looks cool but you're not finding a gtk theme to go with that look I'm not nine anymore I don't want my computer user interface to look like a race car like I I really don't I do I kind of do just put a Ferrari like wallpaper and then every time I open you'll be good every time I open up an app and if you could add that sound effect to opening of applications I'd pay money to minimize something I do love the idea every time you click the button honk honk honks the horn then when your computer crashes instead of the blue screen in depth you just get a car backfiring sound oh gosh every time uh every time you get an email or any notification you you just hear the engine rev you're like oh okay when you get mail or when you send mail the the it just sounds like static on the radio or something just random car noises so to match the car's interior layout Steve wants us to talk about to check out laying what's your opinions on laying all right let's look at this thing so this is it has a gtk thing or a gtk theme that looks kind of cool purple and like darkish color random dark color does this have like a is there like a uh terminal theme for this I believe so give me one second there's covantum themes gtk and I'm not coming up with a terminal theme for it I know it's primarily a kde theme but I believe it does have a color scheme but it has gtk and it has qt it has covantum I don't know why I'm looking for this it's not like I'm gonna find it and your crappy apple browser there bro exactly the gtk theme looks really nice but nobody uses gtk themes anymore very much I wonder what the covantum thing looks like I mean people use gtk things but oh oh that looks the the the key the covantum thing looks nice too yeah that looks nice um I'm not sure the problem I would have with it ranking it very high is that it's not going to have very much support this is one of those rare themes that has covant has gtk and qt support but doesn't have good support for other things like where's the color palette Steve show me the color palette for Neil vim like is there one for let's let's find him I don't find one and I'm pretty good at googling yeah I'm not funny either it's called alpuma dart okay so there is a a a vs code theme for it so there's that oh my god why am I even searching for this crap man I can't I can't even I'm searching for the exact right thing I can't find it how did he spell that it's called alpuma that's how I spelled alpuma I didn't find it either alpuma home it takes you to something in Spanish I don't know I would say it's more like a mainly because the ecosystem and stuff's not there but it is a damn good theme like it does look nice plays very very well with its colors I'll give it a C maybe B but I think C because it's just because it doesn't have the whole like ecosystem I am so astonishingly mad right now you wanted me to give it a D I'm just saying I'm not saying that this is bad but the fact that you're equating it with grove box because you wanted to give grove box a C2 you think these are on the same level what is wrong with you you're so high well you do make a good point there I don't think it's on par with grove box it's way better it's an S tier I'm kidding kidding oh god all right that that's just how are we even friends this is obviously a D tier I'll go with D tier okay I'm sorry Steve but it doesn't have shit and if your argument is oh it has a terminal thing but it's called something else that's not it doesn't have its own terminal thing okay create a terminal thing for me put it up put it up on GitHub when we do this again next time we'll try it again next time I mean it can't really be hard this is why I don't understand about color schemes that like are like this where they have GTK like KDE like themes but then they don't have like terminal or other application themes like literally all you have to do is convert it to a base 16 format and then you can do like easily apply that to pretty much any configuration uh tone Kineo tone to and EK and EO I don't know why you keep trying to mispronounce telling me I mispronounce palette it's how you pronounce this palette did you want me to pronounce it pull a tee pull a tee or something that's not I pronounce it so I'm not sure what latte it's a Palate it's it's pronounced palette okay color palette are we calling it something different maybe maybe we've just been using the wrong word the entire time I don't know it's possible well Steve create a dark zero fork of land or whatever and put it on GitHub so we can all see it and then call us all the stuff that goes along with it into one GitHub repository and and do your thing don't make us go searching all over for VS code things and calling it something different nerd fonts are life nerd fonts are great yeah all right I think I've had enough of this I'm sure there are guys I'm sure there are others that we missed well no grow boxes the best it just it just absolutely is so this is this right here is the final where we stopped we didn't have a single S tier ignore the light themes in the E tier we're we just did that to be funny they're fine if you like light themes they're fine I don't we don't like light themes though those are the like the feels like we're probably big missing some big ones the are there big ones that we've we've missed I'm sure there are I'm sure I'm sure Darth Vader will tell us later on pronounce it pal paluette okay all right anyways I will take a picture of this I will actually save this and put it where you guys can find it if you want to find it if you have thoughts on where things should be ranked and you're not watching this live leave them in comment section below tell us how wrong we were if you're watching it if you're listening on audio and you made it all the way through this nonsense plus your little soul I this is the worst audio episode we've ever done at least with the distro one we can at least talk about the distros this is pure visual porn basically you can't you can't you can't it's like watching porn on silent movie you can't get the good part it was all visual so we apologize for the audio people and maths demonetized again so what else is new anyways this is why we don't do tier list very often because we can't take it seriously which is it's not supposed to be serious anyways that is it for that thank god that's it was fun though I'm sure we pissed off everybody that had their favorite favorite theme either not ranked or not ranked high enough Darth Vader or probably never speak to me again just because we put his beloved material dark into D tier anyways let's go ahead and move on to the nuggies of the week so Tyler do you have a nuggie of the week for us I didn't actually plan one out or I actually totally forgot the show notes were a thing it's I know it's been like four weeks since we've done an episode but even before that you weren't updating the damn things I know I know so I've gotten really bad I need I need to get back on top of it yeah I guess I'll do proxmox that's mine really great I do actually really enjoy proxmox I mean there's other things you could use out there but it's a very very good choice if you want to you know start your own like little home lab it's great I'll probably be looking into it it's not going to fix my permissions issues though no it will not all right so I have just one for that I was gonna do two but oh actually I do have two I have two I have a tip and I have a pick so the tip if you're going to mount your external hard drives with fs tab use the no fat no fail flag do it okay that way if you disconnect the hard drive you can actually still boot into your machine okay Matt's an idiot I knew about this just never had used it because it was always just left it as defaults instead of with the no fail flag so just always use no fail if you're going to have an external hard drive and it will boot right under your machine without any problems if you disconnect the hard drive so just do that that's your tip my pick my nuggie of the week is Tres of the Emerald Sea by Brandon Sanderson I probably use books for a while just because I've kind of run out of software stuff because I use the same software all the time I'm not finding new software as much as I want to so it's just easier for me to read a new book I'm going to tell you guys about Tres of the Emerald Sea it is part of the Cosmere so you know yes technically it is part of a series but it's actually really good as a standalone you don't need to know anything about the Cosmere you don't have to read have read Mistborn or any of the other Cosmere books of which there are literally 10,000 pages worth of other stuff out there that that guy is put Stephen King to shame when it comes to really big books but Tres of the Emerald Sea is about 350 pages so it's really small characters are fantastic you know plots really good he also had you know to compare again to Stephen King they're not he obviously doesn't write horror he writes fantasy but he also can't do an ending very well so the ending was not great you kind of could see it coming that's not my only complaint about is the ending wasn't as good as I'd hoped it to be but the rest of the novel very very good Tres of the Emerald Sea highly recommend it so those were the nuggies of the week and that is the Linux cast for this week again I also completely forgot to change the scene back to me so I just did all that off video I don't know what I'm doing it's been a while I don't if you expected professionalism again as I said at the beginning of the show just he went to came to the wrong podcast anyways that's it for this one if you want to watch us live we do this every Saturday I say every Saturday with emphasis because we do in fact do this every Saturday just except for the Saturdays in which we don't do it in which case whatever but we do it every Saturday at three 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