 Howdy folks Anthony dream Johnson air founder of 21 studios the 21 convention and co-founder of the red man group today on 21 live here with me one-on-one interview. I have Ryan black with me He is a co-founder with Sasha day game of the infinite man summit. He's an alumni speaker of the 21 convention from 2016 in Miami, Florida He has London's one of London's top day gamers He's a lover of black women everywhere and he has a fellow's son of the man is fear He found it in 2006 through the pickup artist seduction community Without further ado Ryan welcome to the show. Thank you very much Although I'm slightly insulted that I'm only one of the best day gamers in London I'm not the best but I mean you got a lot of competition man. It's a day game capital of the world last I checked So I mean what would daddy Sasha say I mean should I say that you you're better than Sasha I could say that if you want but I don't know what he's not in the UK. That's why I get away with it I thought he was back. I thought he was back in London, then I'm number two. Otherwise. I'm number one Okay, maybe you guys ain't have battle royale little little one-on-one WWE action man go to town I Was on one of these four there was this forum in the UK here in London Here actually and they closed it down a few years ago Forever and stashes Sasha kind of got big on it. So did Adam Lyons actually London selections LSS Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I've been on there. They hate me. Yeah, and yeah well, they hate everybody people in the entire world and It was a guy who was posted like there be all these mental masturbation people and all the stuff And there was this guy who was like, I literally he was like if I see a chick It's like 80% it's like I'll go on a date with like 80% of those girls that I that I'll just see and I was like I know my numbers well enough to know but that's total bullshit And I literally I was like, let's just go out and we'll have someone there So like take a look and we'll just do day game approaches and I challenge you and let's really see if you can Hit 80% because I bet I can beat you and he was just like, oh fuck this And he's just like all this bullshit anyway, and he just didn't do it So I've never actually done a day game challenge with anybody because the only guy that I have a challenge to Oh, I see you. I see you're sure by the way. I have one of those upstairs actually. Oh cool Yeah, I have all kinds of stuff swag that Sasha has thrown out me over the years So I think I even have some condoms somewhere. Yeah, we're gonna ask you still have one of the condoms Yeah, I think so I have a whole idea The funniest thing was a bunch of those like the first run of those came and they literally closed the packet with like a stapler Not not so smart So let's do a history lesson for the fans that don't force for first of all to one of the reasons I'm interviewing you beyond just you being an alumni speaker and co-founder of the infinite summit is you're an upcoming speaker at our First-ever convention in Poland for a 21 convention and that's gonna be our fourth European event So talk to us about what you spoke about last time at the convention. I don't know if we put your full speech out yet I know we put out a bunch of previews Maybe the full one if not, we'll get it out soon. I haven't seen that for a while That's been a fucking crazy ass here as you know Yeah, so I'm trying to remember what I It's funny because guys like guys will message me or they'll or I'll speak to him whatever I'll always have like at least one fat wherever I if I'm out in London or whatever and stuff like that They'll they'll always be like one fan not like hordes of them like Sasha gets just the one guy Yeah, he's like really super into into shit and then be like all that thing you said like four years ago at this thing And I was like, oh, yeah, okay, and they'll say stuff I'm like, oh, that's a really cool thing and I'll forget that I even said it because yeah Yeah, I'll just I'll get up I'll have some slides and I'll just say some stuff and some of it will be gold to some people Yeah, I remember it was very well received and a soccer team still talks about you Hit that so his his respect of what I said means a lot a lot more to me than He's looking forward to meeting you again more than anybody's I can't wait to get away to go to Poland to hang out Brian black Yeah, it's very specific. I'm like, all right. You may you left a good impression. Oh, that's that's I'm really So that's super humbling which is the wrong way to use that word So I believe my main the main thrust of what I was saying when I did the first the first talk was this idea that We Kind of as as met as men a lot of the time we grow up in us in a society that gives us a certain kind of Matrix of beliefs that we just kind of unconsciously adopt Yeah, and this is very you know very much why our stuff kind of jibes, right? That's very much what the red pill is about is about challenging those societal beliefs that the the Disney kind of view of Relationships and and all the rest of it. Yeah, and I was suggesting that What happens is and what a lot of the pick up the especially the early pickup stuff I think a lot of people have moved away from it. Although. I'm pretty sure mystery is kind of still there He came back now. He has he has a Instagram and kind of seen it like a little company I think it's called a ask mystery or something like that. I was a state looking at yesterday Yeah, yeah, he's I believe he lives in London, but I've never I've never Never hung out with him. Yeah, we should do it. We should do a podcast We should get him at the convention. Hey, I'm gonna hit him up for Poland. We should fucking get him, dude Yeah, I'd be I'd be I So I should could probably help out with that. Um, yeah, they used to know so um Yeah, so so he like a lot of that early stuff what happened was is it was kind of this It was it was almost like the the medicine was the like the cure was worse than the disease or whatever that expression is Because what happened was is that there were these bunch of guys and they were like, okay We're gonna we're gonna challenge all these beliefs, right? We're gonna challenge like that this this Disney version of relationship this idea that if you do lots of nice things then You know women will women will will like you more and then they'll sleep with you Which as we know right is that the nice guy thing that just does not work It's like the exact opposite of what works exactly. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I mean believe me I'm not saying this on the place of like, oh you idiots like this is what I did for years and years of my life Which is probably you know, and it was absolutely crushing and horrible So so these these poa guys came in like two thousand, you know early two thousands and they're like, oh, yeah I reject this stuff right and now instead do this other stuff But that other stuff was fitting into the same It was fitting into the same what essentially is an ego trap So the the initial thing that we're told by society and all the stuff is like oh you need to do this You basically need to do this people pleasing behavior and that's what's gonna get you You know what I've a success with for women and relationships and stuff like that and so they go no That's bullshit instead of that what you need to do is you need to DHV Yeah, right. Well, I think what you're getting to here is that there's a lot of purity in the early years of the pick apart movement Even, you know the 2000s a little bit I mean sorry the 90s obviously back when Sasha was hanging on mystery back then but even the 2000s mystery was still focused You look back at those old videos the DVDs and stuff Survival and reproduction and understanding like what women were actually after and then all of a sudden the game came out I think like it got moved away from that pretty fast You had RSD get involved and do all this like fucking blueprint crap that never went anywhere and like Now that they left the fucking that they've left. They're about to leave dating coaching entirely I think I don't know if you saw that but there's leading all of it Yeah, I saw someone's I don't really you know particularly Follow their stuff, but yeah Mentioned that they were they were doing that and I saw I saw I just got retarded for an ad where where Julian was selling like a basically Course that looked like just general general parts of development But the point I want to make about that that early stuff was it just replaced one set of limiting beliefs with another set So it went from instead of it was like, oh, yeah, reject this this notion of Nice guy and replace it with this notion of like DH being a negging Which is still it's still the same It's just two sides of the same coin because it's two sides of basically going what matters is what other people think about me Yeah Ego, so so it's just going, you know, like raise your value right go into the nightclub And like if you're just standing there and you're looking around for chicks your values lowering So so the average guy I'm not saying that there isn't something to what it's what's being said there That's an average guy who's struggling with this stuff. All it did was layer Another set of anxiety on top of the anxiety they already had because that was like, oh, what's my value? Personally when I was in the early years like you when you joined like 2006 2007 That's a lot of what I felt and other guys around me felt you had like all this These layers of all this fucking knowledge and mystery and these guys are putting out and then it's like How do you process all this and do something with it? And it was very anxiety inducing totally On your head and shit and then the bar trying to talk to girls and like everything is fucking What do I say next like that? Yeah, I got kind of retarded what you know How what do what you know What do I say to start this conversation and then just having these basically feeling like you had to have these scripts? Like some kind of like some kind of robot or some kind of like a flowchart of like oh So I'm gonna say this and then she's gonna say one of these three things Yeah, and then I'm gonna say one of these things and then she's gonna say this and it's like guys trying to Cuz and and fundamentally what what it's doing is we we know that you know That's not gonna work, but guys are looking for that because of a feeling of What they want is certainty Well, they're also socially retarded so they hadn't they had no certainty and talking to women So that that was I mean it's as crude and you know as those tools were I think it was like that was better than nothing Like they literally otherwise were just like hey, I play world of Warcraft like What do you want to have sex me? No I would I would Honestly, I would suggest a guy go up and open that way. Oh, yeah versus no, of course That's exactly that's what that's what I'll say to woman. I'll walk up to him I'm like, why is your hair blue? Like what's wrong with you? Like oh, you're cute don't worry about it like shit like that Yeah, it's amazing how far the community has come and since those early days, you know, I mean even for us That's the early days, but there's it went even before that obviously Yeah, and so so and and and you mentioned actually something as well, which is that Part of the thing that really appealed to me when I when I first read the game Which is quite soon after came out Was the evolutionary psychology stuff? Yeah, and this was a bit this is a big thing because I was really into like one of my One of my mentors at university is a professor that is who's great He He taught he taught this great course called biocultural psychology Which is looking at the interaction between evolutionary psychology like our genes and what makes us do certain things Or at least have certain behavioral biases and then the interaction between that and culture Actually, what's it? What's interesting that we don't realize is that? The cult the the culture of the society can affect the genetics of the later generations because culture acts as a selection pressure in the same way that environment does if there's a set if there's a certain But a bias of certain cultural norms that are enforced for a long enough period of time Then it makes sense for the later generations to basically have that Cultural normal that behavior hard-coded into them because then they'll be able to get to get it quickly and move in that Move in that society faster. We're the ones that have a trait that goes against those cultural norms We'll essentially be cast out of the tribe and won't pass on the genetic material. Yeah Let me let me stack on top of that, too. What comes to mind immediately I don't know if you've heard the term the concept of epigenetics. Yes, it's basically yeah It seems to be that seems to be occurring at the same time as what you're saying That's happening a culture that's you know, I mean look at the you know in the United States We have like, you know, obviously and part of our culture is politics part of it is a government I don't know the Constitution 50 states all these things, right? But on top of that we have things like the FDA and the food pyramid which then influences like, you know Food and schools which influences your gene expression over time as you mature into an adult if you're childhood This then results in you know epigenetics mean path epigenetics Basically is your your genes being modified by your behaviors over time and then pass down your children Yeah, it reminds me a lot of what you're saying It's a huge really interesting study and a lot of a lot of people sort of resisted it because they thought they assume They assume that it was Lamarcyanism, which is obviously Not true, but The sort of the Lamarcyan world view from right from around that same time from just before Darwin was the contention that the behaviors that in animals Inact then change that then change their genes and so he gave the example is that the reason that that Giraffes have really long necks like me You're kind of orange The the reason that he argued the reason that giraffes have long necks is because they spent their lives Straining and straining to get the you know the tallest branches or whatever and that's straining their necks and trying to elongate it Over time they then pass on that elongation to the next generation and that would continue and that's obviously not Necessarily the case but actually we're discovering now a lot of this stuff that we do Actually does have an effect on whether certain genes are switched on or off to the process of methylation Right, whether that happens or not and whether certain genes are switched on. Are you telling me the choices have consequences? So it sounds like is this yeah, okay, that makes a lot of sense Damn hey, let's talk about let's shift gears a little bit So you're gonna be speaking in Poland in just a few weeks the events coming up July 18 to 21 Warsaw, Poland I haven't seen in a couple years since you know the Miami convention we had back in 2016 What are you planning to speak about at that conference? Yeah, thanks, but thanks for putting me on the spot yet again so I Haven't fully decided but but it actually one of the things that I want to bring in is is is some of the stuff on on Evolutionary psychology because I I have a I think a slightly different I think my talk is gonna be is gonna be framed around the idea of being alpha, okay Because I think there's a lot of misconceptions surrounding it. Yeah, and I feel that even in even in sort of Popular culture well especially in popular culture, but even someone who I think is fairly well respected that you'll probably appreciate someone like Jordan Peterson Yeah, I think he gets What alpha is and what the the evolutionary psychology around? Things like dominance hierarchies for example, I think he gets it wrong And I'm not saying that Out of some kind of theory or whatever or things like that I'm saying it from having as I mentioned like actually studied this quite quite in-depth so I think that a lot of the stuff that around being alpha that comes from like the pickup community is Sort of dovetails with with Peterson is this idea of a dominance hierarchy of basically asserting like asserting like physical dominance over people and Sort of winning this winning this battle winning this frame war and all this stuff. Yeah, I don't buy into that because for two reasons number one the human society is not Exactly identical to for example chimp society In in chimp society and our nearest ancestors. They do literally have alphas that fight for fight for Dominance and stuff like that We are social creatures. We're descended from them. However, we have a very unique Thing in that we have things like cultures and languages which Which chimps don't have and what my idea of the alpha is and this is backed up by actual Anthropological research and stuff like that. How dare you cite this research? Yeah, you heathen you Is That the alphas of the tribe in for most of human history were those Individual males who were so skilled Usually at something like hunting that they were able to provide not just for themselves and not just for their immediate family But for their entire tribe To me that is the true nature of What being alpha is and it's the it's alpha coming from a place of abundance Yeah, the place of I've given all this to all of you and so why would I ever be attacked that open stance of? You know here here, you know, here's I couldn't possibly eat all of this here. You go guys from not playing It's a combination of like earned respect and and power and merit has got them there or some combination of that yeah merit Merits and exactly as you put it at this this this This feeling of earned respect right and what it's called in the in the literature is freely conferred deference Yeah, exactly not a dominance hierarchy of I'm gonna beat you until you submit to me And I'm the alpha now. Yeah, it's freely conferred deference as in this guy really fucking knows what he's doing Let's all default if you look at something of politics in human culture right now, too We have this but then like if there's a problem then the betas or whatever right the not alpha's Let's call them take take out the alpha and that could be like a politician getting caught for fraud like in what South Korea I think South Korean president the former South Korean president. I think it was a woman actress Who knows what the fuck happened? So, you know yeah, I know I know women are not designed to be leaders like that Yeah, you know, it's interesting to I find a lot and I'm curious to see if you agree But I find a lot in the manosphere whether it's a pickup community or anywhere else There's a lot of conflation confusion between alpha beta and masculinity and men tend to just take anything that is masculine is alpha and then anything that's like less Masculine they view it as or feminine they go that's beta and I think these two things operate independently They have interaction obviously obviously, but I think they they're the different spectrums They're not the same spectrum and I think most guys out of like a knee-jerk reaction or laziness of thought or whatever They want to put both of these things in the same level in the same spectrum when they're really different They do there are students like different spectrums of alpha beta and then like masculinity, but they're not the same thing Like you can be a highly masculine beta and that would be for example like some blue pill dude in the military There's like a complete badass retired, you know did some really hardcore shit in real life But then his wife or a girlfriend has his balls and it's for interpersed. Yeah, it's like how does he how does that happen? Well, that's because alpha and beta are not the same thing as being masculine. Even if you're fucking hero, you could still be a huge beta So I'm curious about that Inverse of that. I absolutely agree. Um, the inverse of that right is someone like Russell Brand Yeah, very effeminate acting and dressing Right. Yeah, you know, he's doing pretty well with the ladies as far as I My best friend growing up was just like that People used to call him princess and all this shit and then he would literally go fuck these dudes girlfriends They would come after him with a baseball bat like at his house. She was crazy And he was he was very effeminate looking and sounding but he just cleaned up girls could not fucking resist this dude's dick All kinds of just shenanigans was wild growing up He even even his 16 17 18 years old this guy was just murderous with it This girl and he didn't always bang to his girlfriends But what if they pissed him off he would he would do it a hundred percent He'd be like the assassin and we were his kids, but it started getting serious once you get cars involved in shit baseball Yeah, and I think I think with some with some of this stuff in the whatever Manusur community or whatever it is it to me It feels like it feels like a little bit of projection. It feels like some of these guys have some Internal kind of self-worth. Oh, yeah, and they want to And it's like well, maybe maybe that's you know coming from something about yourself that you're angry about that you're then projecting on Yeah, they can't stand that a dude who is Seemingly more feminine than them and less masculine absolutely murders it with very feminine woman who want masculinity They don't understand. I think it said they can't wrap their head around the fact that he's providing them The the emotions and the experience and the desire that they that dude that other dude doesn't even though he's like a feminine He sounds you know whatever the Russell Brands a good example. I agree with 100% This is just flamboyant fucking crazy-ass dude, but I'm sure he cleans up. I have no doubt I know another friend like that now. He's just like that too and he absolutely kills it He's he's fucked way more women than I have and you know, I've done pretty good So let's move on a little bit So I called you know, I called you like a son of the man is for I think when I started this I did that for a reason because like me you found the man is fear through the seduction community exactly how I did I think are pretty similar about the same time at an early point in your life. You were probably I was 17 You were probably what basically told me like 21 20 21 when you found the pickup community. Yeah, like 22 Yeah, exactly. So you've had it a part of your life Like I know for myself I can speak that since I found the seduction community in the met and therefore the man is fear As one of the main like, you know components of it tribes. It's been part of my life virtually every day for the past Over 13 years now, and I'm pretty sure for you. It's been very similar So you've grown you've basically grown up with it throughout your 20s and 30s I grew up with it since my late teens and then my all of my 20s and now into my 30s So I thought it was kind of interesting to introduce you that way because I'm starting to realize that there's a whole generation of dudes Like me and you that found the man is fear that found pickup or whatever when they were young and that's influenced your life That's changed the course of your life and a variety of ways not just with women directly out picking up girls black girls right in particular No, hey, no blame. I think I've been some hot-ass black girls myself man. I've seen Yeah, you've seen someone was Right, you bet you fucks him, but I really hot-ass black girls. I'm all about it dude But I'm realizing though that there's a lot of millennials I don't know exactly how many that found the pickup community and stuck with it Maybe in a career profession like you and I have but even independently that they've been watching it They've been learning they've been applying they've had, you know mixed results Some of them, you know started families with it and everything's all hunky-dory Others have been through toxic relationships others have been out to slam it They just been they've actually figured out how to pick up women and they decided to live that kind of like bachelor life So it's just it's just really dawning on me the guys like me and you that are in her 30s Now we found it when we were very young and it's been a huge influence on our life And never mind you've been you found a whole conference with an infant a man summit. You've been, you know Sasha's top coach for years London's daygame master, you know, there you go. That's much better. Yeah. I wish I knew more like Harry Potter lingo or Lord of the Rings or some shit. I Watched the first Lord of the Rings and I was so embarrassing. I literally was like This is cringe-worthy and I never watched another one again. Oh, wow I love the whole extended the old extended issue. Yeah, and I've seen one I saw one Harry Potter film just because a girl I was with wanted to go see it and yeah Yeah, women are never read books or done anything. So I don't know I never the books But I was when I was in London I think I sent just a fuck with a mailman in London in like 2011. I sent a letter to Hogwarts Just fuck with some some posting I'm just up the road from Kings, Kings Cross And crustacean and they added a little because of the books they added like a whatever Track 12 and three quarters or some shit. Oh, yeah Of course go and take photos of them shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah tourist traction. Yeah, okay Yeah, you bring it back memories Kings Cross chairing cross all those things. God. I've been to London so many times I've been what I've only been like twice, but I've spent like Over two months there. I think yeah, it's all in my life Yeah, I miss it man. I wish I could go back, but I'm pretty sure that if I try to go back I'm gonna get fucking booted at the airport. They're gonna be like Anthony dream Johnson get the fuck out of here I don't know. I might get in I might be fine. I might but I might not so I'm like fuck it That's why I don't want to do the event there anymore People are like why don't you bring it back to London because we did it there twice I'm like because it's fucking that it looks like it looks like a war zone on YouTube This one looks like like a nice a nice stabbing acid attack war zone. Yeah, it's not it's not that bad It's not that bad Central London is still is still pretty still pretty nice. Then you guys have vans of peace to you there and shit Of what the van of peace. What's that? That's where someone rents a van and runs people over and shit. Oh, yeah Yeah, that does that's a dark humor dark humor, but it was like Yeah, it is it's it's it's not it's not going so great. And especially now we have to be con as the mayor And he doesn't want to he wants to spend but dude, you're about to get worse. Johnson is your prime minister I'm so happy for you. I'm so excited make britain great again. That guy looks awesome I mean, yeah, I mean I out of all the out of all the people out of all the people who are kind of Potentially could be it. He's probably probably my favorite my my ideal obviously would be the uh, Tommy Robinson, but that ain't Tommy school I like Nigel a lot too, but I don't think you can you have to be I don't understand politics that well, but it looks like it has to be basically Boris Johnson at this point Yeah, Nigel's not you have to be in the it's the party base, right and the in the parliament So the prime minister is just the leader of whatever party gets the most votes That's yeah, yeah, you don't you don't get to this you don't get to decide it And then now we've gone through this will be the third prime minister in the past Like 10 years who nobody elected like it was just the party is still in power So we so so people elected The the labor because like mainly because of Tony Blair So they know that they were voting for him and then Tony Blair gave it to Gordon Brown who was not elected by anybody and then You know it was it was Cameron who people kind of elected I guess and then he just gave it to Theresa May who nobody fucking elected And now again because there hasn't been another election It's gonna potentially be Boris Johnson and a lot of people could say well, we didn't fucking vote for him So yeah, I'm super excited though. I know Boris ain't perfect, but I'm happy for you man I mean the the the good thing is what? The good thing is he has it seems like he's he's sort of said and emphasized that he would do He would definitely, uh, you know do Brexit even if it means a you know a no deal Yeah, yeah, the right thing to do so we'll talk to me about this You've been in London a long time. I mean I wanted you've been there for how many years now I mean you were there when I was there right when Erna, were you 2011? I was born in the u.s. But I grew up here. I'm part from apart from university in Philly And then working for a year or so in in new york off the university. I've basically lived in my whole life How has the political landscape been changing? Well, how is the changing political landscape in london? Over the past say 10 years or whatever How's that affected the ability to be a coach? And then actually do day game yourself and I know it's huge in london going out in the middle of the day and approaching women On the streets and stuff. How has that been changing over the years? This is this is a a really this is actually a really good point because In answering that question, I'll talk. I want to talk about like a broad like a broader thing that I see happening Which I wanted to bring up so in my in my experience um Going around and doing like doing day game properly like correctly doing it the doing it in a in the right way where it's coming from a place of self-expression and self-acceptance and Fun and playfulness and humor and all and all that good stuff that we teach I I I still both myself and all and you know my students get exactly the same reactions from women now as they were getting You know 10 years ago. There is absolutely no no difference because what you have to remember is there's been no stabbings on the boot camp You're telling me absolutely Not even an asset attack not even an asset attack has even happened on the boot camp. Um and The reason of course the reason uh That might sound like surprising given the kind of political climate that we're in But what you have to realize right is number one the people who are pushing the kind of uh very feminist agenda of um You know just got right uh a a non consensual like Compliment to a woman is violence and rape Right that extreme thing right? They're very that they're tiny fringe of the far left Number one and number two. They're fucking ugly Yeah, of course no guy is going to be a pro none of my students are going to be approaching those chicks anyway Well, they're ugly on the inside and on the outside. That's what you're saying on the outside It's the women the women who are there's Like the most women like the all those hot chicks that did it for a while How hold up the things that I don't need feminism Yeah, all those go all those are attractive girls if you're a girl with high self-esteem Who is attractive and like sure of yourself and can take a compliment Then why are you going to buy into this ridiculous narrative of like? Oh saying saying hi to me is is is like is like rape or something They like it's nice. What would happen if I walk up the women in london for day game with this hat on and just said make women Great, they should have sasha do that I'll ship them a free hat He'll do it. Yeah, I can't wear I can't wear house But I would be more than happy to wear a shirt that says that and and do day I don't think I don't think they might I was actually going to say before Like when we were talking before that um My buddy's having a party and it's basically fourth of july weekend. So i'm going to go to this party and wear my where my trump Uh, yeah, and then what will happen is people will be like, oh because july fourth you're wearing that ironically and I'll be like I'm wearing it actually but uh, so So this this this this point I wanted to make is this uh, you know guys out there if If you're kind of looking because what I what I have seen I haven't seen any difference in the reactions from women But what I have seen in a difference Uh in terms of what guys say their fears are and what guys say are is holding them back And this is what's really interesting because Women like the the attractive women that you want to meet Right the actual what the high self esteem women um You know who who are naturally beautiful and have stuff going on and and are interesting and and you know intelligent um Those girls those girls those girls are happy. They're doing great They don't need they don't need you know feminism to justify their their their failure and their misery More than a half Then more than happy to meet you and they'll be very happy to meet you as long as you do as long as you do The approach in in you know in as effective a way as possible, which is what we teach when I was in Poland This is what it felt like talking to women just a copy shot like that. They're very positive and like, uh You know reciprocate would it reciprocate of I don't know the fuck where the word is looking They're very just happy to talk to you basically and they're they're very feminine. They don't act like men It's amazing and it sounds ridiculous, but dude in america It's gotten so bad even in the 2000s pick up was a lot different than this now And you want to assume it's in your head like oh, this is like some sort of bias Like the political lens gets changing. Is it really that much though in social settings? And it is dude even in holanda, which I've done the most game at things have changed 2009 2010 2011 is a lot different And nowadays it's just getting nuts man The gender war the gender relations and they could fall apart Well, this is so better than them. This is what this is what I want to say though because I've seen like for example, we put up we put up a video, uh, I don't know a few days ago, whatever And sasha was talking to a guy like a guy basically like Didn't approach or he was saying like oh, I was sort of scared of approaching us and like that And then you know a bunch of the comments were like, oh, you know, we should have done it or like, oh that you know I know how it feels like to like, you know, like not doing like, um Uh, you know get in my own head and and Fear and and yeah and and freeze up and I'll do it But then there were a bunch of comments from sort of more Manifestory people maybe or whatever which was like, um, oh, you know, he was he was doing the smart thing Because he you know, she'd probably just like like like falsely accused him of rape and stuff Holy shit, and it's like I mean I I I get that that is a that is a thing that is happening now and it sucks But that to me just sounds like another way to justify your own inaction Yeah, another excuse to make of like, oh well, you know feminism is so bad It's like feminism isn't what's stopping you From taking the chances in your life to go meet the women that you want to meet It's what's going on up in here. Yeah guys exactly guys will The risks are real but a lot of guys will be too risk-averse and Because of that they'll exaggerate the risks and social like that Especially in a social setting would be any day cares like in broad daylight and stuff Yeah, I mean the stuff behind the scenes is a lot more serious, you know, there's different, uh It's not good, but it is what it is, you know And you got to keep acting you got to keep you know, keep uh living a life as a man keep fucking going I've never stopped, you know, I keep banging chicks to keep going And so far anyway, you know knock on wood but I haven't had any, you know, false rape accusations any bullshit like that so Yeah, and I mean it's you know, it it has it has happened, but I just feel like I feel like if you're if you're If you're coming if you're coming from because And and this is another thing about some of the more there's You know, there is increasingly there's a side of You know, whatever like migtail guys MRI guys or something which is just It's just saying like they've had they might have had negative experiences, right? Like I mean you had it you had like a terrible experience with one of your relationship and it's totally reasonable To feel like to feel, you know, an anger about it and to and to feel like, ah, you know You know, there's there's women out there that are manipulative and all the stuff and that's absolutely true But I just I just have this I have this feeling like Because there's there's so many people out there and there's so much There's so much kind of Sensory data coming in at all the times you can't notice everything Yeah, so if you get if you give into The kind of the negativity you will find that Like you will there people toy people have this kind of woo-woo thing of like you create your own reality, man And it's not so much that you create your own reality, but it's just because there's so much Yeah, you can only focus on like a tiny we can only we can only um Focus on five plus or minus two things At the same time like that's what humans are designed to do our subconscious can do a whole lot more But consciously we can only really keep track of like a couple of things So I I I agree with you you're creating a reality to the extent of what you're focusing on which is not Which is not woo-woo. That's science and basic and common sense Yeah Oh, yeah, that's that's that's my thing is like I just I just want to come from it from a place of like I'll I'll always look at I'll always Try and see the best In people and the best in the person that I'm that I'm speaking to and I see guys Sort of arguing on the internet from the place of like, you know, forced re-evacuation or whatever And I get the sense that like the dates that they do go on They're just like so what do you think about james demore and it's like Just don't About fucking politics and shit with some chick you just met just Talk about something just talk about anything Jesus, you know what I mean like I don't I I end up the girls that I'm with a long time I tend to kind of shift them on to Onto my political beliefs because as you as you know Did I have a whole bunch of these pink hats of these I put them on the girls I fuck and then they take pictures of them and shit And that's how I get them is put the hat on and fuck them with the hat on So, um, yeah, I uh, that's a give me get me some of those hats. Um, yeah Well, I will I'll see if I'll bring a bunch to uh, see if I get a bunch for Poland because I you know what I actually I actually bought I bought a few and send them to my Uh, send to my brother's place and I don't know what I don't know what happened I forgot to get I forgot that I forgot to get them back because I wanted to give all the all the girls in my like Family and my and my girlfriend like one of the pink ones each. Um Women love the pink ones too, man. It's like a hot pink. They just put it on immediately. They didn't read it They just put it on Liberals or whatever, but I was just gonna say like, oh, no, it's like, uh, because it's Where it's at the women's march And then we get them to wear it like I just think you're fucking funny Honestly, when when most people see it in real life, the red one, they're confused They they can't make heads or tails of it Like the Trump voters will be like the like it like But then the Hillary voters would be like, oh, you're making fun of Trump, right? And I'm like, yeah, sure But then the really smart ones I'll be like so women are great right now. I'm like, no, that's why I have a hat on Yeah, uh, do you think they're great? Why are they great because they're going crazy from what I can see And So let's shift gears a little bit. So the upcoming poll in convention Warsaw, Poland July 18 to 21 Get your tickets now at the 21 convention dot org. That's the 21 convention dot org link in the description Uh, are you excited for the other speakers there or specifically uh, a few of them? Maybe yes, um, I was just I've been speaking to a few guys that I know so Gareth is coming back, right I'm talking gareth. I should invite him. That's a good idea last minute gareth. Thanks. He's cool. Fuck the worst He loved they see in eastern europe. He's um, he travels to europe all the time So it's like super easy that he's always based in texas. He's always in france for some reason. Um, okay I'll hold him up. Yeah, yeah, uh, but uh, john cooper will be there. Uh, Yeah, browser browser pua Richard granin, you know, richard granin I don't Oh big youtuber from london. Uh, he's got like 130 000 subscribers. He focuses on psychology Talks of relationships, uh trauma. You like him a lot. He's cool as fuck And I know you've got tape coming as well So i'm uh, take that a drop out a few weeks ago in may in may We'll see what happens. It's like a travel thing. He has a lot of uk shit like legal shit. Uh I can't get into it, but he basically says like different bullshit chasing him around the world. Yeah So it's just a travel thing with passports and blah, blah, blah, blah. We'll see what he can do Um, I do tates awesome. I got to meet him hang out with him in uh, warsaw back in when I went out there in march I had a full like hour-long interview with him at his hotel And I was fucking awesome. I didn't know anything about him and then tommy robinson shared one of his videos Oh, yeah, yeah Oh, yeah, this and he was talking he was like he was talking about he was talking about brexit in his in his like Ferrari whatever he has This fucking knows what he's talking about and then I started sort of seeing some of the stuff It's a good man. He's he's very uh very eccentric Like there's no one else like him in the atmosphere and it's awesome to see uh seen me a part of it How does he speak in the future though 21 convention if not in poland then in the future At some point 100 he's cool as fuck I think his speech too will be really big pretty viral, you know, we'll put it out on his channel and of course 21 studios And uh, he's never given a talk like that. I've seen no kind of who I mean who the fuck would give him a platform like I would You're never gonna see a Ted a Ted X or some shit Like not million fucking let me tell you how to run campsite and run The phd he right here his dude his pickup program or his game program is called tates phd his pimping hose agree Like I thought it was just phd like oh you get a phd He's you know, it's the pimping hose degree. I'm like that is awesome. Like that is so fucking great Yeah, nice. He's he's he's he's he's he's similar. He's similar to me Um, but pretty much everybody I know who's similar to me who's like british american They fuck they fucked their accent real bad somewhere along the way And I've always I've always like his it's like are you scottish? Are you like what is happening? Um So, yeah, I've always I always I I I would I would actually switch back Because I would always be like I don't want to do this thing where I'm halfway in the middle Um, because it just sounds so weird and it throws people off and they go Like americans, especially they're like, uh, are you like australian or something? I'm just like no I'm just even now with a completely english accent americans. It's like are you australian You're either scottish or australian. It's like those accents are completely different. Um, but yeah, I realized like um, if I can Either way, it's like if I'm american in england That's that sucked for a lot for a long time because people would people would make People make fun of americans here. Um, because they think they're better um and But being english here is just normal, but then being english in america is like a plus It is like i'm either zero or plus versus normal or minus So I was like no i'll be english everywhere. Yeah, you're right. Tate is um, he's american british like you Yeah We're the best. We're the best breed and and bars johnson Oh, yeah, that's right. It's like he's like churchill, man. He's a hundred percent, dude I think churchill was born in uh in new york or something way back in the day Yeah, yeah his because his mom Incredible yeah, his dad was uh, I think his dad was british and his mom was american and he was he was born in british citizen But he was born on somewhere in york at the the The consulate or I don't know the fuck it was it's interesting history though Because he used to use it though because he was you know when he was when he was prime minister He was like, yeah, I'm like he's trying to pull the americans in the war and shit. Obviously. It's like i'm one of you i'm one of you I didn't know that I had no idea Yep, yep I visited the uh the war rooms Here and they have the they have like uh Exactly laid out like it was like during during the war in the bunker where they do the stuff and they had they had In each room they'd have like um like a little a little bin like this for like For cigar butts for the for the end of cigar butts or whatever and then in Churchill's one He had literally like a garbage like a garbage can but here's the guy who's just fucking smoking stokies all the time Jesus what a lead Yep, as we say Well, man, I appreciate your time today. It's been a good chat. I'm gonna be catching up again. Look forward to seeing you soon in Poland You'll be there. You need to be at speak early, right? You said the 18th 19th I'd love to speak on the 18th if if I can if I can be squeezed in there and Thank you for having me on this and thank you for for having me at the summit I look forward to seeing you guys watching at the event Fuck yeah, man. And uh, where can everyone find out more about you? Is it uh infinite? It's real simple. We've consolidated everything. You just go to infinitemansummit.com a little bit of a long url Infinitemansummit.com we've got everything now We've got a we've got a free report all about how to get social freedom We've got all our uh, all our events where we're speaking me and sasha. It's all right there Got it. Got it. I'll put a link in the description as well as to your facebook account That's your main social media right your personal one. Yes Cool. I'll put the there Awesome, man. Thank you Yes, sir everyone else. Thanks for tuning in today to 21 live with ryan black special edition And I'll see you guys in the next episode