 Welcome to Tom meeting television and here with representative and representative Dolan and if you could just introduce yourself to us the district to represent. Sure. So I'm Laurie Houghton and I'm in my third term here I serve on the House health care committee, and the survey in Chitenden eight to, which is the totality of the village of us extension. And I am Karen Dolan representative for my first term, and also one of the reps for us extension. And we're here, you know, invited you in to just give us a little rundown about the merger separation question which is now finally come to a head with the legislature passing approval of the Charter change amendment to make us extension and so this is a big moment and and maybe you could give us a little rundown about history of that conversation for a long time. Sure, it has been it's a super exciting moment for the village of us extension so you know this conversation has been going on for decades I think the first vote if I remember correctly was 1956. We've been voting votes since then for some variation of merger or separation. And we keep saying, you know, this is the right time with the right people in the right place for both communities to really put it all out which we did with the merger and voted on it twice put it all out there, and it didn't happen. And so the village said, you know what it's time that we be separate communities so we can both thrive independently of each other while still maintaining a good relationship, just like we do with Williston and when you ski in Burlington and other communities around us. And so it's the bill of the, the plan to merge pass or to separate I'm sorry passed with 88% of voters, voting for it and we had close to 50% of the majority population in the village of votes so it was really exciting. And you know I think, I think where we've gotten stuck over the years, a lot of the time is one, it's a lot of hard work, and both communities have other municipal related issues that have to be taken and it's, it was on that I was a trustee for quite a while, and it's hard as volunteers to really find the time to do it all. And so, I feel like all the efforts in the past have been really good progress forward to what happened today or this time. And we're excited. We're so we're planning a celebration on July 1, when this becomes official for the whole community. And I know still staying in touch with the trustees as Karen does as well and and the community members as, as we do that. And this, this is now the time that we can focus on the village. And I still call it a village and honestly I might still call it a village I've lived there 20 years now and my families live there there and my husband was born and raised there. My father in law has lived there for 80 plus years. And so I think I'm probably unfortunately going to still call it the village but we can finally focus on what we want so what, what are the economic development drives we want to do. What do you want to do to enhance the aesthetics of our community. How do you want to make sure that we continue our walkability and our bike ability, and really thrive what thrive and build what the community wants. This is the key piece that really has been the sticking point over the years, using our money for our initiatives. So having to pay for services in the town of Essex that we weren't receiving or paying more than the residents of the town of Essex for services we were receiving was quite frankly just not fair. And so now we can use our dollars to our community on what we want. So I'm just, I don't know if you can tell I'm super excited. And I think everyone is I know there's some people who voted no, and I hope we can bring them along to see the value of what we're going to build in the village. And so, I think it's great. So there are a couple of key points there you mentioned July 1 is when this becomes official you mentioned celebration, and you mentioned the name and Karen I'm hoping that you can give us a little background on this maybe the procedural stuff for folks who don't understand why does a community have a charter and why is the legislature involved and you know if you look at this was bill H 491. So if you go to the legislative page you want to see there's a whole series of procedural things that had to happen to make this come about so also about the procedural stuff. Yes, happy to, because as you mentioned, lots of steps along the way and I feel like that's something represent Houghton and I tried to explain along the way is that there are many hurdles and we had to keep moving through. So it was a huge civics lesson for our entire community, and I'll say for myself as a brand new legislator. It was an opportunity to see how ideas from the community come into a charter change in this case and then move into legislation and then now sit at the governor's desk hopefully for his signature. Why it had to be this is one of the first questions I asked I was like yeah why do we have to have it go to the legislative happy to shepherd it, and it turns out different states operate differently. Vermont is a Dylan's rule state which how it works is all charter changes all charter changes that are done at a municipal level need to go through the legislature, and to make sure they're constitutional and that you know there's consistency and there's a lot of thinking at that, some states don't do it that way, we do do it that way and so that's why it needed to go through. And we have a gobs committee both in the House and the Senate that that's their primary charge. A lot of is looking at charter changes and reviewing that. So, when the charter chain passed in the town are in sorry in the village. That was the first step of the folks were like yay it passed it's like okay but now it needs to needs to go to the legislature, and kind of the process that it's had is passed out of the village, and then it started in the house, and well actually even representative Houghton and I had to take the charter change and turn it into a bill language, and that's how it became each 491. So turned it into a bill, and then it goes into the house it got assigned to house gobs, and they passed it unanimously went to the House floor, I think they had another stop along the way. But it passed the house, I think basically unanimously, and then it starts all over in the Senate again. So there's multiple stops, along the way where it needs to be vetted and here from all the different parties here from all the different sides. And it was impressive to see how you know, you know, people weighed in on it but one of the most impressive things I think was, we heard it again and again how solid. And our charter was with this. And I think that speaks to what representative Houghton said earlier like so many people were involved in this like this was the time to do it things aligned and ready to put in the work and had the energy the focus. And I think that's one of the reasons it passed unanimously all through all those hurdles. So, just the other week it finally passed out of the Senate. And I think both represent Houghton I learned when we went to check okay so is it ready to go to the governor. I learned Oh, yes it's passed through all the pieces, but it actually needs to get signatures of all these different people before it can leave the State House to go to the governor so you know it's great there's lots of checks and balances and making sure we're getting there. But I think now we're really eager to have the governor sign it and once that happens it will be official and the effective date is July 1 so that's when it will actually come come to be. Yeah, it's a real, I mean it sounds like a real lesson in sort of the nitty gritty of democracy for both the politics and feelings and ideas come together with the rules and procedures and foundation that we rest on and hopefully has some, you know I guess that's where you get into the structural issues of our democracy that makes it really interesting. Maybe somebody could just and Lori, if you have, I think you have to unmute your own again. If you could somebody could just talk about the name and how that is it, you know, is it going to be the city in the village of city of s extension, I think is what we're calling it now right the city of s extension. Talk about the name a little bit. Sure. So it is the city of s extension, and that honestly is a statutory requirement, not a anything we requested. So a village is always part of a town. And so because we're separating we can no longer be the village so it will be the city of s extension. I don't mind if I go back to one comment from before so you talk about a real civics lesson and the policy and the mechanics and it is and but I also want to stress the relationships through the process have been really, really important. So it, you know, it started with the relationships in the community, the residents who work together in both the town and the village to try to merge through the through many, many years it's been the relationships with the select board and the trustees, who have worked through whether it was through merger, you know, discussion separation discussions collaboration discussions. And then I will say it's also a relationship that Karen and I have built here in the state house. It you know it's it, it takes talking to people, having civil discourse, and shepherding something through that you really want, and you can have the great policy, and you have it can have a great process and the great mechanics, but I also think it's really important to have a relationship and I think sometimes that's lost in what we talk about with, you know, civics these days and so I just wanted to point that out. Sorry I got a little off track there. No, I think you bring up really good points and it didn't, it didn't occur to me that there could be politics at the legislative level about this decision but I suppose there probably are. When you talk about communities changing or separating or any, any kind of change like this is can be difficult, obviously. So, Karen reptile and did you want to say anything more about the naming. I mean, just this, just, I mean the name will change also the legislative body is, are you going to now have a mayor of the city of s extension. No, no, I think. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, so that is something that is in the charter and represent home. I think you know the details a bit more I think it's like a couple years in that there is set to be a conversation to look at the leadership for the city. But for right now it will stay with a city city manager, you know currently a village manager, and the trustees in the same model. And I think what part of it was is realizing there's not enough time to really fully bet this and kind of come to a decision about why are we going to rush this. The current model is working right now. And so kept it as is, but there is a clause or a piece that says, within so many years, we as a city now we'll have this conversation and determine what is the best path forward. Great. That's good to know. Anything more I think this is great we're going to add to this we're going to excerpt the parts of the legislature and put that together so folks can just see that process happen. Right. The legislature at least the, at least the visual parts it's the, it's one of those silver linings of the pandemic that we get to see all these recordings of the legislative process. And so we'll share that with folks at the end of this video so anything more that you want to share on this. Yeah, I will just add the bill was passed to the governor yesterday. And so he has five days not including the day of signature I mean the day of delivery and Sundays to pass to sign it. And just as part of a civics lesson so it could be he could sign it. He could choose not to sign it and go into law without a signature, or he could choose to veto it. We haven't heard any indications that he would do anything other than sign it so we're anxiously awaiting that day to happen and I appreciate town meeting TV doing this as a segment because I think it is really important not only to record the history that's being made, but it is a civics lessons that is is really important for people to understand so it's been great thank you. And will you all attend the signing if there is. We're working on that to see if we can get a signing ceremony absolutely and if not we just wanted to sign be signed in so we will take it either way. All right, well thanks so much, rep Houghton you're there back in the cafeteria it seems so things are opening up the state house and you're up Dylan in a committee room is that right. Yes, empty room right now. Yeah, yeah, but the state house is open somebody was asking you the other day can I go visit and I said yeah go and visit. Yeah, absolutely. So thank you both for your service and for participating today and letting folks know and continue watching town meeting TV for more information about your community. Thank you. Thank you. Please listen to the first reading of the bills by number only. Each 491 to government operations, and we are going to take a look at the last charter that we want to take a peek at today. I'm not so sure there will be others for us to work on, but this one is is one that brings a few of our colleagues from the village of Essex junction here to help us understand the charter change relating to Essex separation so welcome to you folks and you're welcome to come and join us at the table. You. All right, welcome back. House government operations committee. We are meeting this afternoon to hear from a couple more witnesses on h491 and act relating to the creation of the city of Essex junction and adoption of the city charter. And today, Mr Brown from the village trustees, who is vice chair of the select board I understand that the chair of the select board had a family emergency and wasn't able to join us. And so we wish him well. And thank you, Mr Murray for for coming to speak with us in his place. I think since this is the, the village separation charter proposal I'm going to go first to Andrew Brown who I gather is the president of the village trustees so welcome. Mr Brown and please share with us your perspective on why the village of Essex junction would like to become the city of Essex junction. Thank you so much, Madam chair representative Colpin Hans this vice chair representative again and ranking member representative Leclerre and the full house committee and government operations. Truly appreciate the opportunity to to be here and to really help advocate on behalf of the 88% of village of Essex junction residents who voted to separate from the town of Essex. And really what I'd like to do is I'd like to start off in the similar way that the trustees started off all of our work sessions, which we conducted from April through September, when we were creating this this charter to begin with. And we started off with a review of our goal statements, which states to create an independent Essex junction, ensuring that it has a foundation that provides for economic and political stability. It reflects the village character has opportunity for growth and looks towards the future. Further the village trustees agreed to the statement on how we would get there, which states, this will be a village led process that is future oriented. We will steer clear of distractions and act with civility transparency and deliverance. The trustees will work to develop consensus and speak with a consistent voice, we will engage with bring together, seek input from and work to inform our community. We will work with the select board and maintain a healthy relationship with our neighbors in the town. At this point, one of the things I want to make sure to highlight is that on May 24 of 2021, the village trustees and the town select board agreed to and signed an amicable separation resolution, which in part states, the select board and trustees will meet in good faith to cooperatively develop mutually beneficial agreements as necessary to reach to achieve an amicable separation, along with the possible provision of sharing services. This is Friday afternoon and I promise not to keep you all too, too much longer, but there was a request for a little bit more testimony to understand the plans that are in process between the town of Essex and the proposed new city of Essex Junction as the separation charter is in front of us in the form of H 491. So we have with us this afternoon, Susan Mackamara Hill whose town clerk from Essex. I don't know if you have prepared remarks or if you are making yourself more available for Q&A. I think the committee's testimony so far has been around, you know, focused in on the charter for the future city of Essex Junction but if there are any considerations that the town clerk can share with us, we would love to hear from you. Thank you. Thank you for navigating the separation, but we chose not to do the vote very intentionally. And Tucker, correct me if I'm wrong, but the voters could petition for a non binding vote. Could they have not? Yes. Thank you. Any remaining questions from committee members? All right, I would entertain a motion. Were you making a motion that committee adopts draft 2.1 of H 491? I think that's what he was saying. I believe that's what he said. I can't figure out who went first. I can't figure out myself, but yes. Any remaining questions about draft 2.1 of H 491? Yes. Thank you. And LeClaire? This will do a drive-by through Ways and Means. It will be a full stop in Ways and Means, complete with I'm sure witnesses and hopefully they get the full experience. Thank you. It's all yours. I've been there. is shepherd this bill to the floor. It means you'll get the opportunity to sit down with the Ways and Means Committee. All right, any remaining questions before we go ahead and take the vote? All right, Mr. Clerk, take it away. I shall call the roll. Ganon. Yes. Maricki. Yes. Leclerc. Yes. Hooper. Yes. Colston. Yes. Anthony. Yes. Fihoski. Yes. Lefei. Yes. Bigley. Yes. McCarthy. Yes. Copeland-Hondes. Yes. The bill passes 11-0-0. All right, thank you, Chair Watts, for being with us today. And thank you, Tucker, for your good work on this bill. And I trust that Representatives Leclerc and Anthony will come to see you, Tucker, if they have any questions in preparing their floor reports. We have a bill on the notice calendar for referral to a money committee pursuant to House Rule 35A. House Bill 491 is an act relating to the creation of the city of Essex Junction and adoption of the city charter. Materially affecting the revenue of one or more municipalities, the bill is referred to the committee on ways and means. We are going to start our work on H491, which is an act relating to the creation of the city of Essex Junction and the adoption of the city charter. And we are going to start. Representative, come and join us. Thank you. So strange to hear. Before we go too far, I want to say hello to Andy Watts and Andrew Brown, both of whom are with us and have testified in other committees. This is not your first committee testifying on Zoom. I assume it must have talked to the government operations committees as well. Yes. Yes, that's correct. There's a number of items that we're going to talk about today. We're going to start with H491, which is the Essex charter. I don't know if that's the official name for city charter for Essex. And we've got Karen Dolan with us. And I understand it's with us with a redraft on one section. I don't know. That's the only issue that I was aware of that the committee was going to address if other people have issues. I identified them this morning, but I think it's just this one. Good morning and welcome to the Vermont House Government Operations Committee. We are meeting this morning to consider a very small amendment to the city of Essex Junction Charter that the Ways and Means Committee has put forward that we will consider on the floor momentarily. So Representative Matt, if you could explain to us what your committee amendment does. Yeah, for the record, Representative Chris Matos. And our amendment relates to the Assessment and Taxation Agreement, subsection 1003. And it's really just adding in language about the Education Property Tax. As you know, the Education Fund is nearing dear to House Ways and Means. So we just added a sentence at the end to say, the section shall not be construed to supersede any provision of state law relating to the Education Property Tax. Now we'll turn to House Bill 491, which is an act relating to the creation of the city of Essex Junction and the adoption of the city charter. The bill was referred to the committee on government operations, which recommends that the bill be amended as printed in today's House Calendar. The member from Berry City, Representative Anthony will report for the committee. Materially affecting the revenue of one or more municipalities, the bill was then referred to the committee on Ways and Means, which also recommends that the bill be amended as printed in today's calendar. The member from Milton, Representative Matos will report for the committee. Please listen to the second reading of the bill. H-491, an act relating to the creation of the city of Essex Junction and the adoption of the city charter. Member from Berry City. Thank you, Madam Speaker. The town of Essex includes the village of Essex Junction and has since the chartering of the village, the village in the town have struggled to create a system of equitable shared governance. This goes back a long time, measured in generations. In fact, your committee on government operations, a score of years ago, tried to mediate the disagreements between the village and the town. That effort came to naught, unfortunately, and moving forward in time to the present, a series of merger talks took place and a shared governance model was constructed by representatives for both the town and the village, often referred to as the three plus three proposal. That proposal was put to a vote. Just this past March, 2021, it passed in the village, but alas, failed in the town. There was then a repeat vote in April. Again, consensus could not be found. As of this past summer or the summer of 21, merger negotiations converted into, if you will, separation negotiations. And in November, it was put to the vote to ask the village whether they wanted to separate and create their own municipality called the city of Essex Junction. That vote passed by a wide margin, over 50% of the registered voters participated. And into the remainder of the year was a attempt by both the administrators of the town and the village to hammer out a way to transition to a separate city of Essex Junction. Up next is House Bill 491, which is an act relating to the creation of the city of Essex Junction and the adoption of the city charter. Please listen to the third reading of the bill. H 491, an act relating to the creation of the city of Essex Junction and the adoption of the city charter. The question is, shall the bill pass? Are you ready for the question? If so, please unmute yourselves for the vote. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed, please say nay. Nay. Ayes appear to have it. The ayes do have it, and you have passed the bill. H 491, an act relating to the creation of Essex Junction, of the city of Essex Junction and the adoption of the city charter, which was introduced on January 7th, and read for the first time, referred to the Committee on Government Operation, excuse me, shall be read for the first time. H 491, an act relating to the creation of the city of Essex Junction and the adoption of the city charter. You've heard the first reading of H 491, and the bill is referred to the Committee on Government Operations. All right, so if you would like to kind of give us the context for this and what's happening. Yes, so I thank you, Lori Houghton, from Essex Junction. So I have a prepared statement because the relationship with Essex Town and Essex Junction is very confusing and has been ongoing, but please stop me at any time if you have any questions. You could just help me clarify it again. When you say Essex Junction, is that the town? Nope, so the village of Essex Junction is encompassed by the town. We are like a donut hole where someone took a bite where the river is, and so village of Essex Junction or where that sorry I say Essex Junction is part of the town of Essex, and then I'll explain more. Yes, so you have in front of you H 491, we'll start on page 14 with sub chapter six to pick up where we left off last time and as a brief reminder based on Senator Clarkson's most recent comment. Although this is a charter for a brand new city, the majority of the bill that you have in front of you is taken directly from the existing village of Essex Junction Charter. Oh, okay, great. There's quite a bit in here that is currently codified that'll 24 out for the village. We now have for action H 491 and act relating to the creation of the city of Essex Junction and the adoption of the city charter. It was reported favorably by the committee on government operations. Please listen to the second reading of the bill. H 491, an act relating to the creation of the city of Essex Junction and the adoption of the city charter. For the committee on government operations, the Senator from Chippenden is recognized. Thank you, Madam President. It is not every day that we vote to create a new city in the Senate. And it is a historic vote in a 110 year journey for the relationship between Essex Junction and Essex Town. And we do have members of both the municipal government of the community as well as members from the other chamber from the house here to witness. And I want to recognize that. And I also wanna note that I will borrow heavily from their perspective and their words. We gave this due consideration in your Senate government operations committee, but also relied deeply on the expertise and longer testimony in the house. And the bill before you was not amended by your committee on government operations. H 491 is a charter change to establish the city of Essex Junction. It is important for us to review how we've come to this place and why 88% of those who voted want an independent community. Since 1892, the village of Essex Junction has operated as a municipal unit of government within the town of Essex, both chartered municipalities. The communities have been voting on some form of merger or separation since 1958. There are some key details in the last 20 years that are worth discussing as to how we are now at this point in the year 2022. In 2000, a five month long government operations mandated mediation process ended with no agreed upon resolution. In 2006, a year long community led task force created a charter for a new merged municipality. It passed narrowly with the town outside the village voting no and the village voting yes. A revote overturned the results. Over the next 10 years, the boards worked collaboratively to find shared services. In 2018, they created a subcommittee to again craft a plan for the future of the two communities. This plan of merger vote, which we can discuss in more detail, then failed. And that leads us to where we are today with a charter change request that creates a path forward for two separate communities while fully recognizing the past history of these efforts. We now have for action H491, an act relating to the creation of the city of Essex Junction and the adoption of the city charter. Are there any amendments to be offered before the meeting? Please listen to the third reading of the bill. H491, an act relating to the creation of the city of Essex Junction and the adoption of the city charter. You have heard the third reading of the bill. The question is, sale the bill, pass in concurrence. The Senator from Chittenden is recognized. Thank you, Madam President. On second reading, the Senator from Franklin asked if there was any pending litigation or concern about litigation for this particular charter change, having talked to officials in Essex Junction, there is no pending litigation that anyone is aware of. Of course, we live in a litigious society and there could always be litigation, but it is the prerogative of a municipality to make a decision such as this and to bring it to the legislature. And given that there was an amicable MOU related to separation, I'm no lawyer, but it does not seem like there would be favorable litigation around a amicable separation agreement that's already been established that we are now voting on and sending to the governor. So the question is, sale the bill, pass in concurrence. Are you ready for the question? All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Those opposed, signify by saying no. The ayes have it and you have passed H-491 in concurrence.