 Alright, got a thing of the day. I got a thing of the day. I mean, pull up your news is that the thing is ending this morning. Which I think we'll have a lot to say, but let's see. Yeah, I don't remember the details of like which teams bought what. Should we put a payout? We don't care about that. Should we put in a panel about eSports or something for Megfest? Yeah, but no one's submitted one yet as far as I can tell. I can put it in and be like, we don't want to be on it. Someone else get on this shit. Well, you could just buy out of the panels and then just look at a free badge. I'll get a free badge. No, I'm going to make this for free. No, it's not going to do something. Because I'm not putting you on a bunch of the regular panels. So that would just be me. I'm putting you on the ones like we have to do the grind. Oh no, we have to do the new one quitting. I started making slides already. Team Liquid, Soul, Magic, Johnson, etc. Magic, Johnson, other NBA figures, perches, and sports franchise team. Is there another article? Oh yeah, the other article was Team Apex and those two other guys. I don't know how many of these people are. Being bought by the Philadelphia 76ers. Okay, that's it. What is the story of the game? It's class. So there's actually a bunch of big deals about why it's important. I learned a lot about the age it was before. It's basically the first modern musical. Before then, musicals were garbage. Basically Gilbert and Sullivan put this together. And they were like, guys, musicals can be good. And then the whole world was like, oh shit musicals. There were any musicals at all before then? There were, but they were garbage. What's bad about them? They had bad acting generally. And the other singing and the librettos were very more like opera. Like they were a very different kind of thing. Apparently the only difference was Gilbert and Sullivan went around. In that era, theaters had their own actors and singers and everything. So if you wanted to do a production, you went to a theater and said, I want to do this. And then they would give you the actors and you'd do it. So Gilbert and Sullivan were like, fuck that. We're just going to run a theater. And they went around and found normal people who were just funny or good singers and threw them on stage and they were actually acting, which people didn't really do before that kind of thing in musicals. There's more to it than that, but I'm not. I feel like I could do a show or a panel on this down the road. Like Connecticut, I want to do a panel on the piracy of Gilbert and Sullivan plays. Wow, a lot. There's already like seven people watching this. Oh my God, it's odd. Soon someone will be fine, I guess. Oh yeah, I get that big multiple line geek nights. We're worth 10X our market cap. I'll tell you that much. Ten times. I just need a news thing. You've got your thing. Are you going to keep using you drinking wine as the thumbnail? For a while. That's not in my wine as in my TV. I don't know. I'm going to change the thumbnail for these to be like the geek nights logo. I just haven't had a chance yet. Because I use that one for the Rims Rants on the Patreon. Because that's a good picture for that. But yeah, I'll make it the geek nights logo this week. That's just not something I've done yet. I've got a geek seat adventure. I guess I'll do it in the main bit. I just need a news. I kind of want to see that perform. There's got to be someone in New York who performs that on Broadway. It's easier to make a play. There's the news that the Twitch streamer girl who basically wore a bikini and did Twitch streams was banned from Twitch for doing that. And YouTube was like what I have and now she's on YouTube. Twitch is like you must be gaming. You can't even make a Twitch stream like for this because we were not gaming. Unless you're talking about gaming only. Well, when I was enforcing facts and we were doing the live stream I remember a lot of people with chat were complaining about the music because it wasn't a video game stream. Like they were real mad about that fact. But YouTube also just works better. It just works every time I use it. I can review the Android carcass. I can talk about Overwatch. Now I'll just tell an Overwatch story. That'll be my news. That'll be my news. It's a good story. It's something funny that happens. I got an opening bit. It's Tuesday, September 27th, 2016. I'm rim. And this is Geek Nights. Tonight, press your lock in a deep sea adventure. It's a first world problem. Oh, it's a problem. So, which is also a problem. It's not really a first world problem. Man, I got some second world problems. That's Soviet block. I've been wearing pants lately. You know why? The air conditioning is still on my building. It's 60 degrees in there. Too big. You know why? I guess you haven't been biking as much. But you still bike. That'll give you some weight of your bike. I mean, the thing is, I've always weighed less at the end of summer than at the beginning. That's just how bears work, right? Yeah. I mean, I gained about five pounds. Like, pretty much right after Magfest is when that weight starts going away. But like, Magfest time? That's like the death knell of my stomach. Because that is Thanksgiving. Bonus Thanksgiving, of which there are several. Christmas. And it's not like, but it's like, I biked less this year than any year. Work is, you know, the other one, let me bring my bike inside and such. Yup. So, and I didn't, obviously I'm not exercising or dieting because I don't do that. Oh, you're eating a bike. I biked less than any previous year yet for some reason it's never happened before. Except they're no longer my size. You could donate them to charity. Sure. That's a lot of pants money that could have been barbecue money. The thing is, I'd say that it might extend your life. So if you buy new pants because you're in better shape and you stay smaller. But what, I didn't even do anything. Everyone else is like, people are trying crazy shit to lose weight. And I didn't do shit. I just lived as I normally live. And I'm not, I'm not sick. It's not like I'm losing weight because I'm a disease in the hospital. Maybe you do the thing that apparently, according to that TED talk, most Americans can't do of, you only eat when you're hungry? I've done that my entire life. It's not any different in the year 2016. Are you hungry less? Or maybe with Blue Apron, you're eating better and cooking more and going out less? No, I only give Blue Apron not that frequently. Because we give Blue Apron, you know, we make three Blue Aprons a week and we eat out a lot less. Like I looked at, because I was looking through finance stuff. We eat out about half as often as we used to. I don't know. I mean, I could check my Grubhub ordered frequency, but I doubt that really makes that big a difference. I just ate like a giant slice of cake at work yesterday. I didn't give a fuck. As usual, there's actually been lots of cakes that work lately. Well, I mean, the thing is, like you eat reasonably healthily, but it is known that for most of my life, I've eaten nothing but garbage. Cookies. Like you eat a whole package of cookies. I would at RIT too. When it's cookies, I eat one serving of cookies at a time. Scout would get like things at Vienna Fingers and there were times when I would eat like an entire row of them. Yeah, I would eat two or three at a time. How could you eat that few cookies? Like when do you want cookie? It's like cookie fugue. You just eat them all. You keep eating until there's no more cookies. I ate, you know, one serving of cookie or maybe two serving. And then I have a bunch of cookie for later and I can eat servings of cookie every day. So for the first time. So even though you mean you eat a whole row at once, but I probably eat two rows over the course of a month. But I just buy another thing of cookies for the next day to ensure. Yeah, you're eating a whole, you know, store's worth in a month. But I'm eating a whole package in a month. I actually exercised some self-restraint the other day. So basically. You're capable of that? No. So yeah, this was kind of crazy. So the snippers open next to my office, right? Yeah. Real hard to not just go there every day. I mean, there's a snipper is near me, but I go there pretty rarely. Well, it is like right there. How close could it be? Like literally one block. Mine's like one, five, six, seven blocks. One tiny downtown block. You know those blocks that are like Yeah, it's one block like that. I can almost see it from the window in our office. All right. So I have not yet eaten a burger there because I'm, you know, I eat burgers here. Actually, I think I've only gotten a burger and snippers once. I usually get the chicken and sandwich with the good stuff. I got their sloppy joe last time. That's not something I'm making anymore at home. I made a sloppy joe from Blue Apron. It was great. No. So I go over there at like three o'clock because I walked downstairs and I'm like going to get some coffee and I walk and I remember the snippers there. So what I did is I went over there and just got a milkshake instead. All right. I was like, just give me a shake and she was like, what kind of burger do you want? I was like, no, I just want a shake. And she was like, that's a good idea. And I took the shake up to the office and the crazy thing is I go upstairs literally every single person who works in our office because it's an open floor plan walks over like as I walk by they're like, what's that? And I'm like milkshake and they're like milkshake. Where did you get a milkshake? And I was like, well one, there's a shake shack across the street and two snippers. So now my entire- Also you could just, there's a blender in our office. I could get ice cream and milk and just make them. Yeah. So my office, I one day like I wanted some coffee and I showed up early like before the ops team and everyone shows up. So I go over to that coffee maker that they make coffee in and I opened it to make coffee and the coffee from the previous Friday was still in there all moldy. And then I realized that they never cleaned that thing ever. Oh, we have the pod thingy which I've never used in my life because I don't drink poison. It makes coffee the opposite of poison. Coffee's good for you. There's serious evidence that it's mostly good for you. I think the problem with coffee is whether it's good for your health or not. Yeah, probably it's like spice once you start. No, the problem with coffee is I have a hypothesis. Obviously I don't have any evidence of this. I'll hear you out. I think that the people with the attitudes of workaholism who like working are people who drink. I think if we got, if we eliminated coffee from Earth everyone would be like me and just want to go to the beach. So it's got two counter points during the rise of the Nazi during the war. A good chunk of German society was high on meth all the time. Yeah. And something like Adderall and all that. That was the let's be productive fuck it mentality. Sure. Coffee. I drink a lot of coffee. I do not want to work hard. You work harder than me. I would be on the beach. You work harder than me. The thing is I would form a game studio on the beach but I wouldn't do a lot of work at the game still. See, I you know but I do a little work is I'd make stuff happen. You're working harder than me. You're trying to you're putting effort towards working. Well, I guess I have goals. My goal is to get to the beach. You have no path to the beach from where you are right now. I have a path to the beach that does not significantly impact my day to day life. Yeah. Anyway, I think I think if you eliminated coffee you would not be able to go down that path. If I eliminated coffee it is powering your path vehicle. It's powering my life vehicle. That's I'm saying it's like I said it's like spice coffee gives you a minor superpower but once you start using it you pretty much have to keep using it for your entire life. I think it's bad and don't do it. Also tastes really good to taste like disgusting just eat hot chocolate. You think a lot of things taste disgusting. It just like tastes like hot chocolate but it's been like poisoned hot chocolate diluted tastes really good but they're two very different things. Yeah, one of them's good it's not good. If they were similar if coffee tasted like hot chocolate I would fucking drink it. So I don't have any gaming news today because Scott has the gaming news I was going to do and my geek bite is part of the main bit but I do have a story. So we had an overwatch. Oh boy. So I play a lot of overwatches you guys know. And nobody care. All the overwatch people will. So last night because the debate was on we actually did an overwatch and debate where we all watched the debate on one screen and played overwatch. Wow. It's like this one bad thing wasn't enough. Let me do two bad things at once. Overwatch is literally the game you've been waiting for you just won't play it for some reason. So anyway that's not the story. The story is the other day we're playing overwatch we're playing it pretty seriously and we're playing casual mode meaning you can all double up like everyone could pick the same hero if they wanted to doesn't count for your ranking it's just fun but still playing to win like we're playing trying to win occasionally we'll double up on heroes over and we had a really good game with this group of people they were really good so like we play a game or two with them and then the next map starts and I'm like what if we all like I go bastion and someone else also goes bastion that's the turret guy and then someone's like hey rim let me tell you about an RPG character so we went into the dungeon I don't know why you don't find overwatch a wonderful game like I still don't understand why you refuse to play even if even if you were talking about the most wonderful game on earth right now you're still telling me about the RPG character nah so this is good so I choose bastion and then someone else also pick bastion so I go to switch and then I'm like wait a minute what if we all go bastion which is usually kind of a weird dick move oh my god so what if you did oh oh I don't oh my god that's too crazy that's crazy it's pretty funny so it's secret the other team doesn't know what you picked until they see you so we all go bastion and we like set up and we're laughing to ourselves and being dumb and be fucking great and then the other team all goes something else oh my god yeah so the way it happened was we're sitting there bastion up and no one attacks us and we're like what's going on where are they cause they were super serious oh it's legendary hall of fame material so then someone's like okay I see a Reinhardt I see I think there's six Reinhardts they had independently we both played a bunch of games oh my god I was playing a game this guy he picked rock three times in a row and then I picked paper three times in a row oh my god yeah except big rock scissors it was crazy is a dumb baby game and this is a real game uh huh so but the fact that they chose to do the dumb thing literally independently of us in the same round that we chose to do the dumb thing and they happened to be a counter of each other and that match was one of the best matches of Overwatch I've had in a long time huh alright I guess you can continue I guess what are you playing still hearthstone playing yeah hearthstone and pac-man yeah real games yeah yeah new pac-man single player games game of skill yeah cause overwatch is entirely a game of luck it's more it's less skilled in pac-man which is a hundred which is 100% I would disagree with that significantly pac-man is 100% pure skill now pac-man is just a memorized game there's nothing going on they're just memorized alright let's see you do it cause the new one is definitely not a memorized game I'm not even gonna play I didn't even buy it it's not a memorized game cause I didn't even finish getting super good at pac-man cdx I don't need more pac-man well the new one is completely different I only got two s ranks at the new one cause it's so balls hard and completely different in every way alright so if it's not memorized then what is it just random skills what like what what kind of skills twitching skills quick pattern recognizing skills alright keeping from so it's like a baby version of an fps that tests a very good skill set you should play it and see let's see if it's such a baby game let's say you play get some s ranks let's see you even get some a ranks let's see you even get into the golds in overwatch let's see you you know get even a rank at pac-man you wanna play some doom deathmatch we'll see how that goes yeah let's not no I want some quick one deathmatch quick two quick one you can't even aim up and down yeah you can did you not play quick one I played a quick one aha I think anyway you got any gaming news dude this enormous gaming news so yeah enormous real gaming news so the philadelphia 76ers why we even care about what are they a baseball team they're the worst basketball team in the entire NBA normally hate them like the hated Phillies the hated eagles I pretty much hate the worst every professional sports team in Philadelphia is the most hated except for the 76ers who are so bad well first of all I don't like basketball so I don't really care which also which helps me hate them less and also they're so bad it's like why would you hate them they're so bad it's like when you see a puppy who's got a peanut butter jar stuck on his head you're like oh poor dog but they actually like say the history of the eagles a team that has never won the Super Bowl and is full of shitheads or you know the flyers a team that has historically been full of shitheads the Philadelphia 76ers have a great history full of players that are legendary and respected like will and Dr. J so it's hard to hate on them but anyway for every year recently they have intentionally lost the NBA organization everyone knows it in order to win if the opposite Herm Edwards has played a win next year right but the thing is they keep losing and they keep going to the NBA draft to try to get the better draft picks and they keep losing it's never it hasn't helped them enough to where they've been able to become a winning team so anyway they have purchased I don't even know the names or care team dignitas I've heard of them actually and team Apex I've not heard of them I don't know if I've heard of either one of them I've heard if you said team dignitas I would say that is an eSports team I've heard of them yeah I think you think that but if someone said a similar name would you have this vague memory I think I've heard of them I have no memory of team Apex I might have heard of them I don't know I've never easily just picked teams when I watch if only the eSports teams had some reason for me to choose one to be a fan of perhaps one of them could be a New York team I here's here's my heuristic I choose the team that acts like the evil team in the mighty ducks whoever play or the Yankees whoever's the most evil and trying to win pushing the rules to their limit whoever like so you're a fan of the New England Patriots yeah fucking win the game that's what I want the New York Yankees yep where's your Yankees hat uh because baseball's boring where's your Patriots anything how many players on the Patriots can you even name none can you even know the name of the coach of the Patriots why would I even know because he is the greatest player of games alive and whether you're a fan of them or not you must respect that if he played like if he played settlers we would be in such trouble we would be so fucked we are lucky that man plays football a game that we do not have to compete with him at so this is actually kind of big news because it's not the only eSports team that was bought a day later a group of people including Magic Johnson and also the company that owns the Washington capitals and a bunch of other Washington sports bought other eSports teams so it's like a team liquid I've heard of them I knew it sold a controlling interest of the team to a group of major investors under the ownership group Axiomatic which itself I think let's see blah blah blah so Magic Johnson I think they just have a stake in it yeah because the way professional sports for example sometimes you have a person who just owns a team completely it's just one person but sometimes for example Magic Johnson he doesn't own the LA Dodgers he owns a large portion of a company that owns the LA Dodgers among other things right so he's like he can act like he's the owner and just go to the do owner things yep but he's not the sole owner the way that say you know Robert Kraft completely 100% owns the New England Patriots on his own right but anyway so this is a big deal but it depends on how they handle it because are they buying these teams just to explore the space and figure out like what eSports are are they buying these teams to brand them with other teams that they own or interact with like one of these teams to the 76ers or the Philadelphia something I don't think that is likely but I think what's going on here is number one it's clear that they don't actually understand the space they're getting into because like you know some of these leagues like League of Legends you know there's like relegation you could be buying a team and it's like that team could then become garbage yeah it's like it's not like buying an NHL team where they're guaranteed they're not like because it's such you know a nascent you know sort of league it's like it's not like you're buying the Yankees or it's like a safe bet you know that this is an established franchise you could be buying a team that will be worthless if you know when those players get old and the good new players join some other team and then now this team is garbage right there also isn't like the existing structure of how to handle like player contracts free agency the people you don't have these fan bases that are all stuck on one team no matter how good or bad that team is the way that say someone who lives in New York will be a fan of the Mets no matter how bad they are or how few series they win you know and the Mets will always play in the major league no matter how bad they are most eSports players like people who follow eSports and always sell a certain number of tickets no matter how bad they are almost no one I know who follows eSports really talks about teams they talk about individual people in the game like the eSports that they care about yeah they're like oh that was an exciting match between team A and team B I rarely see people have such there are people who have this but I think it's pretty rare that there are people who have such a strong allegiance to being a fan of one team no matter what like their children will inherit fans of that team now an organization like the 76ers they could try to apply those techniques I would buy the league and not that's you know interesting though is that despite their lack of sort of knowledge of eSports they have clearly recognized the viewership numbers and that is that is why they feel there's a good investment and it's hard to argue against that and I think this is gonna suddenly accelerate the viewership numbers are huge like millions and millions of people watch these things more than are watching some of their sports and they recognize this and realize that at this time dude I already think eSports are bigger than baseball and their team is lower than its value so it's a good investment even if those other risks come into play because it's way bigger than people realize it is well there's so little money involved say you buy a team and you just say alright I'll pay all the players you know a salary to be on the team that's still less money than you can like you would realize like that is small change to an organization like this you can pay them less than you have to pay a basketball player and meanwhile there's so much and the number of people watching it is going to be more than some of your basketball games or many of your basketball games I mean do more people watch like League of Legends final world championship than watch like NBA finals sometime I bet maybe they did I haven't looked at the numbers but you know I wouldn't bet either way because it's probably close there's also a lot of ways this could go and I don't know what's going to happen other than I think there's going to be a sudden weird I think another major risk in e-sports in general is which game is hot right because StarCraft was the hottest and now League of Legends is where all the action is and as long League of Legends has been around a long time and it doesn't seem to be fading but it's going to fade at some point and another game is going to take over it's not going to always be that game also because those games don't get the like necessarily the constant updates it could be five years it could be ten years but in my lifetime it will fade and another game will become the major e-sports game as soon as someone has a bigger interest in these e-sports then as you know come up here too the meta will collapse pretty rapidly like even an overwatch right now like the meta collapsed there's only a few heroes that people actually play in the big times imagine if they're playing like some MOBA the meta will just collapse immediately on like one set of heroes one set of strategies and the game won't be able to adapt the game does not none of these games have the kind of depth that you can get from traditional sports because they rely still so much on physicality so I don't know what their long-term goal is well it's a hedge against the decline as old people die of the old sports dying and losing viewership and when the young punk kids are the only viewership left they you know they don't want like ESPN doesn't want to die because all the old people who watch real sports are dead or physicals you know so like ESPN already has an esports podcast they're showing esports stuff on their network and on their stream you know it's like because it's like they need some kind of content when people aren't watching baseball and what not anymore so they're like well we can get that esports content see if I were ESPN I would be buying leagues yeah just buy buy entire leagues buy fucking games I'd yeah buy games buy leagues I'm surprised nobody's bought like riot the company that owns League of Legends the company that's going to be expensive to buy are they public? I don't know much about riot I mean it doesn't matter because there are still companies bigger than them who could buy them right no I would go so I would I'm sure Disney could buy riot if it wanted to if I were like the VC guy or like work to the ESPN or something and had any say in this what I would do is buy leagues wholesale buy game companies that make these kinds of games and make bespoke games just for esports I would make a vertical monopoly hmm I'd start making teams associated with geographic areas yeah yeah that's all fiddly people have already started making college teams and that's it's happening but it's not getting that much excitement yet well the NCAA has to get involved there I think they're not yet involved yeah that's enough on that for now save okay but anyway things of the day what do you got for me so this is guy what's his name I don't have my thing open right now but anyway it doesn't matter this guy's amazing he's been around for a year and I'm shocked Greg Cornell he does not have oh no that's the name of the oh yeah Greg Cornell yeah his name is Gregory Cornell I don't know why he doesn't have more views and more subscribers it's shocking to me it's unbelievable what this guy's doing it's like top tier shit so what he's doing is reviewing board games the good kind of board games that we play right and his reviews are okay reviews he's mostly showing you how the game works which is actually really useful if you want to decide whether to buy the game or not like the one that I watched was it called Above and Below that looks like a pretty good game like oh if I wanted to have a nice little action taking competitive game you know that seems like a cute one and has a nice theme well actually you know some of the videos that get a lot of views on our channel are the two the one we did where we teach Zendo and then we just play it for a while and the one where we teach is definitely an above average game review analysis demonstration thing so the thing is his video is not like his face talking and it's not just bad shots of the game like I do it is an extremely extremely well done stop motion animation using only action figures that he then voices over they don't have mouths so it's pretty easy but I mean as easy as stop motion is which is not easy at all a huge pain in the ass yep I went from hey I could do this to fuck no I'm never doing this in about two seconds and he's also to stop motions of the pieces moving around to demonstrate how they move in the game and it makes it that is the best part it makes it so easy to understand how the game works when you have stop motion of the pieces moving around and it's wealth shot and it's so good the tragedy is why does he only have like no subscribers he has like 800 subscribers that is not that is like he needs like three more zeros on there like remember how Scott was like John back Neal Cicero well you know what follow this guy yeah if you if you listen to a Geek Nights board game episode like this podcast and you're not watching everything on this guy's YouTube channel what the fuck yeah seriously like these videos are great also damn it I can't steal that idea but also yeah I would never would have stole that idea we could steal that idea do you want to no fuck no you want to sit there moving a piece around take a picture move the piece take a picture we have all the necessary equipment to do what this guy does perhaps even better only we don't have the effort yep what were you saying about coffee Scott if you drank some coffee we could make this happen if I drank coffee yes I would eat this guy's lunch so you might have noticed I don't but I guess you wouldn't have I stuck at the end of the show a while ago but I've been rewatching The Simpsons with Emily yeah like it is the other day the other day I was getting the surround sound to work in VLC and I pressed a play on a Star Wars that's a real dangerous idea Scott oops a Star War two hours gone I read the time at RIT we showed someone was visiting I think it was Pete was over or something we're like blah blah blah Cowabee Bound he's like I've never seen Cowabee Bound like alright god damn watch the first episode right now just so you know what the deal is I don't know got nothing to do when I get home the thing is Empire is my favorite one is it so good yeah it's the best one I think I think it's still like I like all three Empire is the best one that Hofia oh yeah as a kid I was real obsessed with Hof for whatever reason I couldn't tell you why good you can go there I'm going to the beach the exact opposite of Hof but unlike the day killers we had at RIT which were VHS tapes with episodes The Simpsons with no commercials just rapid fire for eight hours those would kill a day we're watching individual episodes so the episode ends and then I can continue with my life but I watched the episode again where it's a parody of Cape Fear which if you've never seen that's a fantastic movie Decide to above episode yes but the episode is like a one to one parody of Cape Fear it's one of the funniest episodes of The Simpsons ever for a lot of reasons it's even funny all I know is that Cape Fear is some kind of action movie that is a lot like that Simpsons episode it's more of a thriller than an action movie but it's like Simpsons parodies are often like just a couple of references here and there this one is like a one to one it's kind of crazy but anyway so at the end Bart asks Sideshow Bob to sing the entire libretto of the HMS Pinafore and he does and that's a plot point and you get a bunch of snippets of him Kelsey Grammer singing the HMS Pinafore so because of that I knew what the HMS Pinafore was as a kid I had never heard of the HMS Pinafore before seeing that episode me either and all I knew after watching that episode was oh it's a musical probably about a boat and it's probably long it's Gilbert and Sullivan it's arguably the first oh I know who they are yeah do you remember which one's which one did music one did librettos I did not know that that kind of separation I just learned a lot about them over the last week because apparently the HMS Pinafore is way more important than you might realize and it might be the first modern musical of any caliber but because of that Simpsons episode the snippets of songs from the HMS Pinafore have been stuck in my head and I cannot get them out so I went on YouTube and it turns out we can just replace them with some other musical do do do do do do there's plenty to choose from do do do this is a little more might I offer some King and I I think because of the motifs and the way this is put together some fiddling on the root it's catchier than Les Mis Les Mis isn't the most catchy remember that Seinfeld when George just keeps singing Master of the House that's the catchiest song in Les Mis this is more catchy than that but anyway this is not a regular performance of the HMS Pinafore because videos of stage productions like that tend to be kind of bad or just like not that engaging this is sort of a review performance of all the music with narrations linking everything together that the BBC did in 2005 and it is of the highest quality and you should watch the entire thing also if you don't get the stationery joke I'll be very disappointed in you is the whole thing on Spotify there's a lot of musical soundtracks on Spotify you would be shocked at how many musical soundtracks are on Spotify I found Martin Gar on there so I'm not shocked at all your fave I don't know if I particularly like Martin Gar but I definitely remember in college all you just talked about is non-stop yeah because it was very memorable it was like try hard Les Mis too also it was your favorite was Jekyll and Hyde also that one's legit good well that's the best concept for a musical that was never turned into a real musical you want to know some interesting trivia alright so Korea I found out from watching so much Korean TV they're obsessed with that Jekyll and Hyde musical really yeah what's that song the main song from it I need to know whatever it's like the one song from it they like it comes up a lot well let's go they'll sing it all the time it's a long musical what kind of song like what's it give me anything I forget but they sing it all the time in Korean is it an angry guy singing about murder is it is it a scientist guy singing all inspirational is it a woman singing about memories I don't know they don't sing the whole fucking thing they don't sing any part of it they just they're basically just that you know they'd say like the chorus part in Korean or whatever that still doesn't help me like there's no the main song in Jekyll and Hyde hold on let me look up the in fact depending on what version of it let me look up the track list it opens possibly with a different song the old concept album was the I need to know song let me look up the soundtrack musical number there's a lot of musical numbers in it a live is when Hyde is going crazy and about to go murder people this is the moment they sing that song that song is real widely sung in the US as well you'll see you're hearing commercials I know yeah but it's like it's like they got a thing for it I don't hear them there's a lot of songs that they're way into but that song comes up it's come up on like multiple shows multiple times constantly the notable part about that song is that in the original concept album the singer couldn't be able to hold a note that loud and it's kind of amazing yeah yeah I'm into that anyway this is the entire HMS pinafore enjoy in other news we got no convention still magfest we're actually working I don't think we can say anything about it yet but we're setting up the panels we're probably going to be doing the grind an updated version of what we did at PAX and a brand new one on quitting like from games and such I quit yeah you know magfest unlike PAX where we could do the joke where you just fucking walk out of the room it'd be real funny we actually didn't come back wonder if they wonder if magfest would be mad if we did that I just walked out of the room and came back you're in video they'll know great it ruins everything I'll give everyone a finger my camera is there was that good it's kicked off YouTube no great if you really want to you're welcome to I'm just going to stop looking at this monitor I mean the only the only reason I actually wear clothes is a warm B protection from elements and C you know it's like I don't care if anyone sees my junk but I think but it's respect because they don't want to see my junk and a nude beach I might do a little bit of nude swimming but I'm never in my life going to risk a sunburn on the young master are you going to rub sun tan you know block on your junk not while I'm at the beach right and the thing is it's like you know I don't mind being negative the beach but I I'm pretty sure other people don't want to see my junk which is why I don't yeah but I'm mostly protecting the boys if people told me like hey Scott we want to see your junk I'd be like alright if you want to also you know just getting older they need a lot more support it'll come uh-huh yeah there'll be a little more room down there as time goes on I mean you're younger than me so you're not there yet I'm three months three months younger so yeah we got nothing the book club book which I assume Scott hasn't started reading yet I did start reading because you have not updated the website well I had to tell you something about the book club book so I haven't seen you know I saw the movie twice in my think probably never seen the movie it was many years not good but as I'm reading the book like memories of the movie keep coming back but I can't tell are they real memories or they are they false memories with the actors and actresses from the movie I don't know well I mean like remember I fucking conflated this movie with some other movie that is in no way related to it but anyway uh yeah I started reading it so I guess you can update the website I'm trying to update the whole website it's a pain in the ass the post about the book club book sure so uh yeah other than that I guess Pax South is in the horizon distantly Pax East is gonna come up not too long after that uh then Pax Prime we're thinking about maybe going to Gamer X even if we don't do a panel we'll just go to it because it's in New York so stay tuned for all that I still don't know if that's the thing we're supposed to go to not being gay I was invited to submit panels for it gay games it's just a I know that LGBT friendly convention I mean yeah that is primarily about games but it's like I'm taking a ticket away from someone who is so it's like is that right I don't think it sells out well I'm pretty sure it doesn't sell out if you are a person who plays games of any kind and is of a non straight sexual orientation you should go to this because it's a good convention yeah we will probably be there it's in New York I mean there's that new anime account coming next year we'll definitely be at that I guess we'll go and see what the deal is I think that was going to be a lot bigger and better than the much smaller one I said we were going to go to and then I forgot about it the thing that was near the hotel near my work yeah the one where I was like oh it's clearly a garbage con but I was that was a weird day because I walked out of my office and there was a cosplayer and I was like oh and then I was like oh right is that tiny shit convention anyway that's it well Patreon's going we got YouTube channels this episode is streaming live on YouTube right now so you could have watched this live including all the stuff in between when we actually do the bits you're better off not doing so so deep sea adventure this is a real simple game it's a Japanese indie tabletop game our friend Chris has gotten obsessed with the Japanese board game so he's getting lots of Japanese games including this one which is a good they're real hit or miss like all games are like all indie type board games but some of them have amazing aspects like there's a game called Buddha Babel which is not a great game it's basically just sort of like vote who wins really fast but the instruction manual is so gloriously hilarious in its English it is amazing and also the concept of the game do not offend God with your tower you need in order to win the game you have to build the tower of Babel that is the tallest but isn't too tall because then it offends God it's I feel like there's a really good game there but it didn't quite execute but deep sea adventure in the final judgment oh so the other common theme I'm picking up on because I see other people complaining about this too is that for whatever reason Japanese indie tabletop people can't seem to write rules very well I'm sure they're probably well written I've read multiple accounts that people in English can't write rules well but I'm sure if we knew you know Emily read the rules she could tell us a better ruling than the English so from what I have gathered that does not appear to be the case the rules are just not as tight as I would expect from a game in general but Kickstarter games have the exact same problem I mean games period have this problem people don't write game rules tightly and well it seems like the only games that don't have this problem are the like rules well are rules lawyers and rules lawyers are usually bad at designing games it's Rainer Knazia and a few other people are the only people who write good game rules or people with lots of editors at big publishers but even they fuck it up a lot Deepsea Adventure is so simple and so quick and I always introduce it to people as the drowning game it's a drowning simulator that's correct basically you get a bunch of I mean it has a conceit and the conceit is pretty funny you're a bunch of water hunters who all hate each other but you're also poor so you get together and rent a terrible submarine you're all in the same submarine together with the same and you only have one air tank but you want to get more treasure than the other people because you're not sharing so on your turn you're sharing the submarine you're not sharing a treasure there's a shared set of air on your turn you go down and there's all these tiles no one has no one takes a tank with them everyone's just got a hose connected to the submarine so if you breathe too much air you will kill everybody so as long as you don't bring up any treasure game just goes on forever just do whatever you want and your options on the turn is you decide if you're going to continue going down or you're going to fucking bail and run back up to that submarine then you roll some dice you roll 2d3 to figure out how far you move in the direction you chose and then you can choose whether or not to pick up treasure on that spot the treasures get better the deeper you go however as soon as you've picked up treasure every time it gets to your turn the more treasure you are holding and that applies to every player there's one more thing that makes it even worse so if I'm holding one treasure on my turn the air goes down by one there's only 30 airs if you got a lot of players it's hard to isn't it 25? it's not a lot of airs not a lot of airs at all but anyway then you know when you roll the dice to move remember it's 2d3 you don't move a lot you subtract one from your total movement for every treasure you're holding so if I roll the best possible four spaces I'm holding two treasures and I roll a one or a two I don't move and my turn goes past but I still use two air from holding two treasures and that is key because if the air runs out after the player is turned and ended the air anyone is not on the boat drops all their treasure to the bottom of the ocean and dies and then you play again you play three rounds the submarine goes back to the surface anyone who's in it survives even though you can just drop treasure and try to race back for the boat and hold a lot there's also positioning based on the other people so when you move if you step on someone else you just sort of fast forward right past them so if there's a bunch of people in front of you it's really easy to get to the bottom of the ocean quickly to get more fancy treasures but if there's not a lot of people behind you it's really hard to go back up you need people in front of you whichever way you're going to move quickly with a low roll so you want people to be close to you but in front of you on your way back to the submarine so you can get up there quickly now this game if everyone knows how to play it five minutes tops to play an entire game the thing that takes the longest amount of time is the dice rolling yep maybe ten minutes teaching the game takes about two minutes and people just kind of get it and everyone I've shown this game to because I own it now really likes it like everyone I've ever introduced this to and had them play it they just got really you can basically have all the fun it means 90% of the fun of playing infiltration I hate to say it I think this is better than infiltration I mean because it's absolutely well I think infiltration has some complexities and some you know meh parts which make it sort of less pure and less good but it has a little bit more fun because it has extra bits like secrets well it has the fun in the theme but it also has this meta of the game it always goes kind of the same way there's only two options on how that game goes right but anyway so yeah you can basically have all you know I think in terms of fun per minute per dollar per you know unit it's better than infiltration this is like the perfect busted out while you're waiting for the last person to come back from the bathroom to start a real game or busted out when you're at a con and the room closes in a half hour you can get one more game out of the way or busted out if you're on a literal submarine and your divers busted out like at the table at a restaurant you can play this game with people who haven't played it a bunch almost everyone dies or everyone dies the first two rounds this game like everything's going fine and it's just you know it's a press your luck game so should I keep going should I keep going everything's fine as soon as one person decides to turn back all hell breaks loose as soon as one person picks up two treasures all hell breaks loose yep the game is all about leaving Scott to drown at the bottom of the ocean as fast as possible if you're at the deepest part of the ocean when people start turning around right if you're at the deepest part of the ocean you should turn around first so that you get you know it's like I'm the deepest right now I will grab a treasure turn around and I'll get a pretty good role because everyone else is right behind me and then I'll be on my way back and it'll be good times I've had a strategy on but if you're at the deepest part of the ocean and everyone else turns back and then it's your turn again now this is a big gap behind you I just immediately turn around and pick up all the shit treasures on my way out just to try to kill everybody yeah there's plenty of strategies like this yeah there's there's a lot of depth to this game oh oh despite how simple it is and I really like it and it's just like if you're the kind of person who plays board games with people this is like a must have in your library mm-hmm so in general I mean it's a press your luck game it's almost a pure press your luck game there's plenty of press your luck games it's like fresh fish is a press your luck game in many ways to a degree but it's much more obscured and complex right the press your luck is only one aspect of it right but there's no thanks is a press your luck game in many ways press your luck is a press your luck game yeah the game show on TV except if you figure out the pattern and you're not the luck component goes away and press your luck is also a core like it is a mechanic either core or just sort of part of the game like it's part of way more games is that you generally have the option like a really usually a really simple dial where you can dial up your risk raw and it yeah raw and it dials up the reward at the same time yeah you can just you know a lot of games you can buy reward potential with risk right in most games out there you know you're always making these sort of decisions based on a risk reward analysis sort of thing right like a ha I've got three moves available there's the risky move that has a big reward there's a risky move with a shitty reward forget that one and there's a conservative move with an okay reward and you can sort of choose to but a press your luck game is different in that you can choose pretty much anywhere along the scale of risk and reward it's like a free roaming you know needle not just concrete actions and you can you know keep pressing and then at some point you flip and you know this sort of this movement of like until you stop and turn around and give up on the risk you know like a deal or no deal and things like that now pressing your luck like it's in most games whether you realize it or not like even Wizard has a heavy press your luck mechanic or at least a component because once you're behind you're not going to win you got to go for increasingly desperate strategies to try to catch up so you just dial the risk all the way up in the last round you're like yeah I'm taking ten tricks cause no chance because that's a conventional heuristic of almost all games if you're losing you want to increase randomness or take on additional risk to attempt to get a greater reward cause you play conservatively and you're behind you're guaranteed to stay behind like you can't overtake someone with a conservative strategy if they're ahead of you because they're going to play a conservative strategy and at best you'll maintain your current negative lead that's your luck game is the turn around point at which point do you stop increasing you know it's like okay rim one out of two chance of making a dollar okay I'll do it alright now you have to go all in on every bet or not bet one out of four chance one out of four chance the next one is one out of eight sixteen it's like at what point do you say alright I'm just going to keep my money and I'm not you know you've already you know it's like obviously no matter what the odds are and any game you're going all in on the very first bet even if the odds are really small because it's like if you don't win the first bet you have zero which is you can't have less than zero it's like turn one like a pure conservative strategy and wizard would be to always bid zero unless you have wizards like yeah you're not going like you'll get your two points and it actually loose maybe yeah but but like always it's easier to avoid a trick than to take you would never in deep sea adventure or infiltration on the first turn just leave and be like oh back in the submarine that there's no reason to do that you might as well at least go out get the first thing you know go in infiltration go out pick up one day to token and go back so there's two things on one hand it's are you behind or not like the further one has made a full declaration like I step out and take a little more risk and then Scott sees I took a little more risk so he also takes a little more risk like let's go like this game is totally safe until someone starts picking up treasure so at what point do you pick up the treasure and be that guy who caused the game to enter the collapsing state you have to because everyone else takes their turn before you take your turn right so they could unless you're already the person who is in the rear in which case then it's kind of okay because you'll be right this is why in a lot of games you'll see so if you're all the way in the rear you have to look at the layout of people based on the dice they've rolled and say okay if I roll how likely is it that I will end up all the way in the front because if that happens everyone else will turn back and I'll be in deep shit so if I can sort of land in the middle of everyone and leave them behind and make it harder for them to get back and maybe take two treasures on the way back to make up for the fact that it didn't go as deep as they did now it's a really satisfying mechanic and that's part of why I bring up Deepsea Adventure if you want to really sort of study how this works and what this does to bigger more complex games like say infiltration play the hell out of Deepsea Adventure because you'll see people despite how really simple a powerful mechanic it causes you people to get invested the more you've risked even if you're not gonna win anymore like I've seen people play this game everyone else turn back and someone else like in the third round is behind fuck it they go way deep and sometimes they almost make it out almost almost unlikely yeah well there have been times for example where people who are trying to make it out made it out faster than they thought so once they're out they're not the person is like left outside and the only air they're using is their own they have complete control over what's going on it's not like the other people can come out of the submarine and breathe some air and use it up so now they know exactly like whether they can get back or not if they should put treasures down or pick them up or what and now they can score with like a really deep treasure so some games like this almost have a sort of coalition building where there's the coalition of people who are continuing to press forward which is implied coalitions of people who are turned back who have decided the risk is enough and are bailing and depending on which of those is the majority is a big part of the dynamic of the game and then you'll see that exact same thing play out in infiltration for example but there's all this other stuff sort of obscuring it like it obscures the risk reward even though really infiltration not much more deep than deep sea adventure and also like most of the things are not nearly as powerful as you'd expect them to be and you're very rarely rewarded for going super deep but the game rewards you with these other things like theme and mystery and you really want to see what those cards are if you go deeper hmm alright get some dinner I'm so hungry you're done yeah alright I'm going to record the patreon thing patreon manager the all current patrons and the patrons for this episode of GeekKnives in order to the amount of they give us on a continuing basis as right as fast as I can are Ellen Joyce Rebecca Dunn Nicholas Brando Heidi McNichol Amanda Duchette James David White Christian Coons ConstructionNoisesMyState.com Sean Hayworth William Eisenbros Jeremy Minor Chris Reimer and Thomas 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