 Why don't we get started, Senator Benning? I'm going to introduce the committee first, Senator Joe Benning, as it's handed a ticket box. He's from Caledonia County. Senator Philip Baruth is from Chifland County. Senator Alice Lincoln from Winter County. Senator Jeanette White from Winter County. And Senator Tim Ash, former member of the committee and the president brought time to the Senate. He's from Chifland County and your own Mark McDonald's. Senator from Orange County is here in the audience. And I think there may be a couple of House members here. If they are, feel free to identify yourselves. I don't see them. We're going to pick the first three names. I'm Dick Sears from Bennington County. Sorry, I forgot who I was. If you come up to speak, don't move the mic. Because there's all kinds of media mics there. So Senator Benning has picked three numbers. He's going to call the numbers and those will be the first three speakers. And then we'll just continue picking them right through. We thought this was the fairest way. We've had criticism in the past because people show up, sign up to speak, and then they never get seen because the first 40 or 50 get to speak and people who drove four or five hours don't get to. One of the complaints or good things is that we're here in Randolph rather than in Montpelier. The reason we chose Randolph is because it's on the interstate and it's easier for people from the southern part of state, the northern part of state to get to. Frequently we hold hearings in Montpelier. People from Bennington, people from Bennington don't get to Montpelier. And if they do, they can never sign up because they're too late. So we just thought this was a little fair and we'll see how it goes. And we really want to thank the folks at Vermont Technical College for hosting this. First off, we're going to do this three at a time. So as I called the numbers, I'm going to read the last three numbers on your ticket. Because I'm told that the first three are all identical for everybody's tickets here tonight. The first number to be called, I'm going to ask you to come up here and have a seat in this chair right here. The next two numbers after that will be right in the front row here next to Mike Farron. If you have any questions about how that's working, Michael will certainly let you know how it's going to be done. But I think we'll take the next person who's closest to the microphones and then call the next one after that is the person who's on deck. So the first person up to speak tonight is ticket number 111. I can put you back in the bin if you'd like. The next ticket number is 100. No, you can come on up and have a seat in 111. You can have a seat right here. You're just going to wait till you head. No, you can sit down. 100, you're going to have a seat up here next to Michael. And ticket number 055 will be right on deck. We will remind you that when you are speaking, if you could first identify yourself and tell us at least the town of where you're from. Okay, just let me know when you're ready. We are ready. My name is Edward Gilbert Jr. I'm from Berrytown, just outside of Montpelier about nine miles. I also was a candidate that ran in the 2018 midterm election cycle versus Bernie Sanders. But I just wanted to say is sorry. Thank you. There's several bills, of course, that being a veteran pro 2a life NRA member. I feel a few of these are very intrusive. I as a father of two sons and one daughter and very concerned about their future. The ability for them to enjoy the great outdoors of hunting, fishing, target shooting. And I feel Vermont is one of the few open carry states that has one of the best track records when it comes to firearm safety. Teaching our children at a very young age, how to handle weapons appropriately, how to lock them up, how to keep the ammunition locked away in secure areas. And I just feel that I'd like to keep that tradition going in Vermont. As a dad that cares for his sons very much and one daughter, you don't want anything to happen. And of course, I'd rather empower them on how to handle it versus falling in a bad situation where they don't have the ability to protect themselves. 30 seconds. Being a dad that has traveled a lot. So I love this little state. I love our traditions. I would like them to have the same opportunities that I had as a kid growing up. And that's about where I stand. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Take a 086 if you'd come on up. Hi. Hey. Good evening. My name is Laurie Emerson. I'm the executive director of the National Alliance on Mental Illness of Vermont. And NAMI Vermont is the independent Vermont chapter of the National Alliance on Mental Illness, a statewide nonprofit grassroots volunteer organization comprised of family members, friends, and individuals affected by mental illness. Our mission is to provide education, support, and advocacy to individuals and family members living with mental illness. And NAMI Vermont would like to comment on Bill S-22 that your committee is reviewing as it relates to a waiting period for the purchase of firearms. In Vermont, approximately one in five people live with a mental health condition. One in 25 live with a serious mental illness such as schizophrenia, major depression, or bipolar disorder. And on average, one person dies by suicide every three days in the state. Vermont had 118 suicides in 2017. More than 10 times as many people die by suicide than homicide. Suicide is a community health issue and the good news is that suicide can often be prevented. And that's why we are calling on you as Vermont lawmakers to pass common sense legislation that will address suicide prevention by creating a waiting period for the purchase of firearms and reducing access to lethal means through safe storage methods. It is important to note that 90% of people who survive a suicide attempt do not go on to die by suicide. However, unlike almost every other method of suicide, use of a firearm in a suicide attempt is almost always lethal and leaves little opportunity for intervention. According to the Center for Disease Report, researchers found that more than one half of people who died by suicide did not have a known diagnosed mental health condition at the time of death. And suicide is rarely caused by any single factor. Other factors that can contribute to the risk of suicide include relationship issues or lost substance misuse, physical health issues, and problems as well. Thank you very much. Do you want to turn your testimony in? Yes, I did email it all ready to the committee. Great, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Next up in the front seats, 056. Hi. Hi, how are you? Good. Hi, Dick. How are you? Hi, my name is Rodney Sher. I'm from Duxbury. I'm here against some of these bills. I mean, I had a nephew that committed suicide with a gun. I had a cousin that committed suicide with pills. If somebody wants to commit suicide, they're going to do it. And I don't think it's right to punish everybody for some people's mistakes. That's not right. I have guns in my house. I like guns. I have grandson who I bought guns for. And you guys are going to punish him. Like, we went and bought a gun for him. We were riding around. We found the gun we liked. We bought it. We bought a home for him. Either locked up. They're safe. They're not. They're not out in the open. But to take and put this through to make a 48 hour wait period and punish us for people's other people's actions is wrong. To me, it just doesn't make any sense. If people are going to commit suicide. I mean, I feel bad. The people that testified the day I'm up here for their son. But these people should have, in my opinion, they should have been more attentive to their son's needs and seen some of this stuff. And just, but it just doesn't make any sense to punish everybody. So I'm against these bills wholeheartedly. That's really all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you very much. Take it number 112. You are on deck. 112. I'm 86. Yeah. I feel 86 today, but that's number 86. You too. Some days. 112 should be in the front row in the audience here next to Michael Farron. Come on up and have a seat up here. I'm Paul Gross from Jericho. I'd like to speak against waiting periods. I think that's a pretty poor strategy for suicide prevention. I would argue that most of the people who commit suicide with a firearm have had the firearm for longer than the waiting period is ever going to slow things down. Firearms, especially you're dealing with veterans who have a two to one ratio of firearms of suicide. Most, a lot of veterans that I know have firearms and have had them for years. So to put a waiting period in place to prevent somebody from committing suicide is pretty irrational. That's about it. Thank you very much. Take it 047. You're on deck. Eddie Edson from Randolph Center. Thank you very much for this opportunity to speak. As a person of faith and a concerned citizen, I do support H-159, S-22, S-26, and S-72. I would like to share with you this anecdote. At a workshop about gun violence that I helped to plan, I chatted afterwards with someone who attended who did not share my views. He expressed concern that the legislation I support would provide a slippery slope to removing guns from all citizens. And I said that neither I nor anyone I know has an agenda to take away people's rights to guns. What I said, can anybody like myself do to help bridge this huge gap of understanding? His response was that it would help a lot for me to say out loud what I just said. That in his experience, when he states his fear, people on the other side responded to him and taking away people's guns would be bad. So that is mainly what I want to say tonight. I do not want to remove the rewrite of any American citizen who wants a gun to have a gun. But I strongly support legislation that decreases the possibility that a depressed person or mentally unstable person will impulsively take his or her life or someone else's when a waiting period could make a difference. And I support legislation that would help prevent accidents by children who end up with guns in their hands. Surely in Vermont, we can veer from the present national reality of distancing ourselves from those with whom we disagree and instead find the common ground we need to keep our citizens safe and simultaneously protect the right of hunters and those who feel a gun is an important protection for themselves and their families. Thank you. Thank you, buddy. Take it 0-5-9, you're on deck. Sir? Yep. You're next. Come on up. Come on up. The last ticket I called is going over to those seats. Hi. My name is Arthur Vento. I'm from Burlington. Oh, would that help? Yeah. Okay. My name is Arthur Vento. I'm from Burlington, Vermont. I really didn't intend to speak here today. However, as I listened to this, I realized that I do not honestly believe that there's anything that you can do to prevent someone who's hell bent on committing suicide from committing suicide to start with. My wife committed suicide with a handgun. The only thing I can tell you about that is whether you understand this or anybody behind me understands that or not, she was going to kill herself. She killed herself in the quickest, most humane, humane way possible. I know of at least seven other women in Vermont who have drank Drano. Most of them are going through their eighth, ninth, or tenth operation. They have no teeth. Their internal organs are shot. Firearms to a lot of people seem like they're horrible instruments of destruction. Believe me, there are instruments of destruction that make firearms look insignificant. If you should not have a firearm, I have no idea. I believe that everybody should have a firearm. I don't have a problem with that. I grew up with firearms. I grew up with firearms in a town that understood it, that no longer seems to understand it, that no longer listens to me. I live in a town where I know that I am taxed with no representation whatsoever. And more and more I'm seeing a state where I'm taxed with no representation whatsoever. At least firearms are a civil rights issue. Every firearms law that has ever been introduced was introduced to make a significant other. As a firearms owner, I'm treated as a second-class citizen. I'm not a second-class citizen. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. Thank you for speaking. Ticket number 103, you're on deck. My name is Bruce McClain. I am from Peacham. I am a gun owner. I love hunting. I believe in the hunting culture. But what I don't believe in is standing by and doing nothing about the suicide rate in this country and in particular in the state. So I support S-22. I believe that most suicides are an impulsive act and that a 48-hour waiting period will prevent some people from taking that impulsive act. And I also believe that a 48-hour waiting period will not impact on my ability to go out into the woods and hunt nor anyone else in this state who is a law-abiding citizen. Thank you very much. Thank you, Bruce. Ticket number 129, you're on deck. Sir? I am Stephen Reynes of Callis-Vermont. I am an attorney and an ordained deacon at the Episcopal Church. In the 1980s, I served three terms in the House and was elected to the Senate in 1988. I was the lead sponsor of the attached S-98, which proposed a 10-day waiting period for the purchase of a handgun. The bill was referred to the Judiciary Committee. Although S-98 had eight bipartisan co-sponsors and was endorsed by the Vermont Chiefs of Police Association, the committee did not even hold an introductory hearing. I commend your committee for taking up S-22. I've read the news reports and listened to a video excerpt of the testimony of Alyssa and Rob Black, the parents of 23-year-old Andrew Black before your committee. I've seen the photo of Andrew at work on December 3rd, 2018, looking relaxed and content. A guy I would enjoy talking with, hiking with, having a beer with. Three days later, he bought a gun at 11.30 and was dead at four o'clock. I can't help but wonder if S-98 had become law whether Andrew would be alive. His parents testified to you that they believed Andrew would be alive if a waiting period had been in effect based on their son's behavior and his electronic messages. I can't help but wonder if Professor Cheryl Hanna would be alive if a waiting period had been in effect. When I was getting information for S-98, there was an instance where someone had walked into a gun shop in Brattleboro, bought a gun, walked outside, committed suicide on the sidewalk. From my experience, I think many people's experience, the world can look very different a few days later. A seemingly unrelated conversation with a co-worker, small acts of kindness with a stranger, interactions, unpredictable things can make a huge difference. Enactment of a waiting period is good public policy that would save lives. It could also make a heartfelt difference for those left behind. Thank you. Take a number one, one, three. You're on deck. Hello, my name is Mike Stoddard. I live in Brookfield, Vermont. Sadly to say, I'm not a native Vermonter, but I'm a retired police officer from Massachusetts. I've seen many, many situations for suicide. And I believe that if someone has the mind to do it, they're probably going to try to do it. A two-day waiting period, it may stop one or two, but I don't think it's going to stop a total number of them. As far as keeping guns locked up in your house, I know it's a real hard situation if it came to a point where someone tried to break into your house or attack you. It's a mind-blowing thing to try to handle that alone with a gun, but having to go and try to get one out and find bullets and load it and all at the same time is next to impossible. So as far as protection goes, it's far better off to be proactive as far as that goes. I think that's, I've said enough. I thank you for letting me speak. Thank you. Ticket 0-5-1, you're on deck. Good afternoon. I would urge you to, Bob Atkinson from Wells, Vermont. I would urge you to oppose S-22 because it will not achieve its stated goal to put a barrier up to deter Syracides. The good doctor to testify to the last hearing uses examples, children that were unsuccessful. No one interviewed those who were successful for obvious reasons to ascertain the strength of their feelings or their plans. Someone I know seriously considered suicide 30 years ago. They said, and I quote, suicide is a long-term thought and not a spur-of-the-moment decision. The plan is carefully thought out and will be changed if a problem, like a waiting period, is imposed where they will choose another method. The path to the decision is a combination of many, perhaps small, occurrences that build into a feeling of worthlessness or hopelessness. The feeling of uselessness or not fitting in whether real or perceived is a powerful feeling which is debilitating. To believe people you know would be better off without you is a powerful incentive to commit suicide. The root problem is mental illness. Few people want to talk about this including those with the problem, which is why they hide it so well. Our society has developed many contributing factors, some of which are the disintegration of the family, both parents have to work and then assigning the teaching of values to babysitters and teachers at our state-run schools. The absence of respect, consideration and courtesy toward others that formerly were taught at home and the lack of consequences for misbehaving have produced several generations lacking these important values. These values were the grease that reduced friction between members of our society. Nowhere is this exhibited more clearly than in social media. In 2017, 5,237 patient days were spent in our state's emergency rooms for vermontus with mental problems because there were no beds available in mental health facilities. We have public announcements on TV to stop smoking or study math and science. None for suicide prevention. We have worked to remove the stigma attached to various communities. Why not mental disorders? These people did not choose to have these problems. If we do not provide the help these people need, they will cure the problem themselves permanently. Thank you. Thank you. Take it number 050, you're on deck. Hello. My name is Scott Chapman. I reside in Moncton, Vermont. What we have before us is a pure civil rights discussion whether or not our right on the Second Amendment in Article 16 of the Vermont Constitution is a right as equal to our other individual rights. Everybody, a lot of people in the world say that our rights are not to be limited in any way except reasonable measures upon your right to keep and bear arms. The restrictions on the rights of arms has been used throughout this country since the 1690s to keep a portion of the population subservient to the major portion of the population. It was used prior to the Civil War and the passing of the 14th Amendment to keep people of color enslaved. After the Civil War, it was used in the Jim Crow era to keep people of color subservient to white people. This is horrible, horrible. And it continues. Everything in the Jim Crow area of the United States was done on a health and welfare basis. Segregated restrooms, segregated washrooms, segregated restaurants, lunch counters, et cetera. And yet again, we are being told that we need to limit your rights for the health and welfare of others. This is nothing but discrimination for anybody that wants to exercise their Second Amendment rights. It is segregation for the Second Amendment and it is wrong. Can you imagine if we asked for a 48-hour waiting period for your Fifth Amendment rights? How about the media here? How about they have a 48-hour waiting period to produce the 6 o'clock news and have to ask government permission to exercise their First Amendment rights? This is purely a civil rights case and nothing but. This is not about firearms. APPLAUSE Can we hold down on the applause, please? I respect everybody here. Everybody here? No. You can't? You don't respect everybody here? Please. In order to try to give everybody here that would like to speak the time to speak, it's very helpful if we hold off on the applause. I know people are tempted to do otherwise, but we'd like to get everybody time to speak that would like to speak. Ticket number 118, you are now on deck. I'm Bruce Lindner from Colchester. I asked this committee not to pursue further consideration of the proposed requirements of S-22. A burgeoning, liberal, progressive ideology is attempting to reduce their constitutional second rights to the level of a privilege versus a right. This should set off alarm bells in everyone's mind. Every time there is a single incident involving a firearm seems to incentivize legislators to punish all gun owners by enacting that one more gun law. Firearm ownership is treated as a pariah and not with the respect afforded by our Second Amendment. Anti-gun groups in Vermont say the Second Amendment needs to be repealed or brought into the 21st century as no longer relevant. A single incident in 2018 is an impetus for the bill's sponsors to implement a waiting period. Single incident does not achieve the formidable benchmark for controlling all of the citizens for one person's misdeeds or indiscretions. There were 41,550 completed firearm transfers in 2018. 99.9976% of those transactions would not have benefited from the proposed waiting period. CDC, John Hopkins, Duke and others have stated there is no conclusive evidence that a waiting period reduces crimes or suicide. Legislators need to step up and deal with the undisputed systemic causes of suicide, illicit drugs, opioids and so on. Guns don't precipitate people to commit suicide. The storage provision of this bill is in direct conflict with the Supreme Court ruling in Heller that struck down as unconstitutional a requirement that all firearms, including rifle shotguns, be kept unloaded and disassembled and bound by a trigger lock. The Court ruled that to lock up firearms inherently inhibits the immediate access for self-defense and the storage requirement is to be kept in place. I sent a copy to the paper. Ticket number 049 EuroPick. Hi, my name is Jim O'Malley and I'm from Ludlow, Vermont. I had the privilege last year of attending several sessions at the legislature and seeing how the sausage is actually made. It was interesting and enlightening. I appreciate your time. To the parents of Mr. Black, suicide is a horrible thing. I was a former mental health worker. I worked in the Land and Lessons Center and a man that I worked with, the young man, killed himself after treatment. No one saw it coming. I will say to you that I researched this issue and I found that this legislative body actually was involved in some pro-suicide legislation not long ago. I think it was 2017 in Vermont and if you look up the state figures, I encourage all of you to do that. Look up the state figures on how many people availed themselves of that. So now we have a young man who has tragically taken his own life but we're going to restrict the rights of how many thousands of Vermonters because of this tragedy. When on the other side of the coin we've decided that people who've decided that in their lives can do so if they consult a doctor. I have a problem with that as a gun owner. I would also ask you to consider the women of Vermont and the vulnerable people of Vermont because there are such people who are in situations where a firearm can mean the difference for them between life and death and a 48 hour waiting period while it seems like a good idea right now may not be a great idea for that woman who is facing a potentially abusive spouse who may want to hurt them and in many of the areas of Vermont, mine included, we're pretty far away from somebody getting there in time to intervene and interestingly enough, a firearm is a forced multiplier. It just is. And that woman can defend herself with that better than she can without it. I'd rather she didn't have to wait. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Zero, nine and five. You're on deck. I don't have anything written. I spoke, my name is Rob Mazza from Colchester. I spoke with a friend of mine today who two weeks ago lost his daughter to a heroin overdose. Do you guys know how many people have died in the last year in Vermont from drug overdoses? You made me aware of it today. Rob, you've got to pull close to that mic. 108 in the state of Vermont. Do you guys have any laws on the books ready to go that will punish a drug dealer and lock them up permanently? I mean, we know that they're pretty much let out. They're let out on bail. They're not kept incarcerated. So I wonder what is it you're looking for? I guess I really just don't know what you're looking for. Wouldn't we spend more time protecting the larger amount of deaths, which death is bad? I get it. But Mr. Bruce, like you're introducing the bill to make sure my firearms are safe in my home in the safety of my home. How are you going to enforce that? That's my home. I'm a responsible gun owner. I have safes. But as one gentleman mentioned, if someone's kicking down my door or coming to rob me, what am I going to do? Make him wait until I can get my firearm. There's only my wife and I that live there. You're crossing this threshold to the sanctity of my home. Now maybe protecting people when I drive my car going over the speed limit. I'm sharing that road. I don't share that home with anybody but myself and my wife. So I guess I didn't write anything. So that's all I got. Thank you. Ticket 105. You're on deck. My name is Ed Wilson. I'm from Morrisville. I'd like to offer my condolences to Andrew Black's family and also suggest that they honor and memorialize Andrew in a way that doesn't infringe on others' rights. I believe that a group or organization that works directly with young people in crisis would be much more effective. Pro-gun people are often perplexed when facts and reason are ignored by legislators. We must understand that there are people who believe that they should have guns and they will do everything possible to make it more difficult for you to buy, own or use a gun. Last year during the House discussions of the anti-gun bills we were treated to the spectacle of a legislator who raised stood to speak, raised his finger and said, one life. One life. If I can save one life, he would not feel badly about infringing upon our constitutional rights. He didn't care about the constitution. He just wanted to feel good and show us what a good person he was. Waiting periods, magazine bands, universal background checks are all feel-good measures that do nothing to protect our safety. We must not lose the anti-gun waiting periods and I support the pro-gun bills. Thank you. Ticket number 105, this is your last chance to come on down and be on deck. Ticket 105. Ticket 057, you're on deck. My name is Captain Tom Malanchuk. I'm the Master Mariner in the U.S. Merchant Marine. I've been about everywhere, different war zones, was in a revolution. I've seen it all and I've seen what happens when the government has all the firearms. But I want to talk to S-22 and the safe storage. I agree with the last one, the safe storage is just wrong. I'm going to tell you a short story and I hope I can do it in the time. About a week ago, I live in Randolph Center, my wife and I were asleep at two o'clock in the morning. My dog started barking, someone was pounding on our door. Came out of a dead sleep, had my firearm on my nightstand, grabbed it, went downstairs, and that lurking person was there talking away. Obviously drunk, don't know what else, he was on something else. He wanted me to come out and help him with a vehicle he had off the road. So, much to my wife's chagrin I said I would, but I had my firearm and when I stepped out that was the first thing he saw. He said I had my firearm with you, that's smart. He said yep, Smith and Wesson are my best friends. So, I walked up the road, sure enough he was off the road, I pulled him out. The next day I found out he was a convicted felon, he was a druggie, he's been in jail many a time. He's at local thief and thank God I had already in my room and not where it was locked up and I might have dropped the key or couldn't find it in the middle of the night. Thank you very much for hearing. Thank you very much. Ticket number 089 if you'd come on up and ticket number 116 if you'd also come up. People could get a little closer to the mic. We would also recommend when you do come up if you get as close to the mic as you can because I think that decreases the amount of feedback that you get. Thank you for giving me this opportunity to support S-22. I'm Christopher Ashley from Norwich. We have heard much tonight regarding gun and nose rights and the Second Amendment. It's important to recall that the ultimate purpose of a gun is to project a bullet into a target, a game animal or a person. It's also important to remember that there is no action with the bullseye. Venison for the table. Protection in a threatening situation or tragedy when someone takes his or her own life has an accident or shoots another. In 2008 the Supreme Court ruled in a heller case that people have a right to own a gun for self-defense. But it also ruled that this right is not unlimited and the government can place reasonable restrictions on that right. The gun safety requires my safety requires reasonable gun safety laws and S-22 provides these laws. We have all heard from the public health officials that waiting periods for gun purchases reduce the number of people who take their own lives and for that for most the motivation for suicide doesn't reoccur. We are also aware that secure storage of firearm prevents tragedy particularly regarding Vermont's teen suicide rate which is the highest in New England. I would like to add a bit of information for you to consider. As an elementary school teacher and principal with 35 years experience in Vermont on numerous occasions students would report to me at show and tell during a discussion of personal safety that they knew where their parents hid their gun. The fact is these young children were very aware and very savvy of how to access their weapons. When I reported to parents they would always be shocked that your children knew where the gun was. These self safe storage rules are an important step to keep all of us safe particularly our children. Thank you. Still missing. Ticket 089 You are on deck along with ticket 006 So we should have in the front row ticket 089 and ticket number 006 I'll take your spot. I asked that no action be taken on S22 this session because one hearing with a few hours of public testimony by a handful of voters is not nearly enough to weigh the interest and wants of this state as a whole especially when discussing constitutional rights as well as an integral part of our Vermont heritage. I read the opening clause of article 16 of Vermont's constitution as many members of the legislature seem to forget its words. The people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the state. The two conditions proposed in S22 are a direct violation of this article. Your bill suggests that when I'm in my home if a firearm is not on my person it must be locked in safe storage or rendered incapable of being fired. How am I to defend myself to someone break in if I must unlock a safe, get to and load my weapon, or remove a trigger guard in just a few seconds. As a woman and a mother there are a few times when at home I probably are safely wearing my firearm and complete needed tasks. As for the 48 hour waiting period you've heard testimony saying it would reduce suicide rates but a study done by two PhDs and published by the U.S. National Library of Medicine shows different. First off other states like Vermont they don't have the fact most of their people don't already own firearms when they commit suicide. Second the study looked at each of the gun laws and stated that a waiting period seemed to reduce suicides with combined with gun laws but when they calculated for the effects of poverty, population, density, age, race and ethnicity the results were virtually unchanged and those are in states where the population is already less likely to already own firearms. So let's look at Vermont statistics. From 2011 to 2016 as published by VPR I wrote them down into suicides and homicides and then further into age, gun type, male versus female. Consistently over 80% of firearms are suicides are by men. Over 70% were over the age of 30. So let's look at firearms suicides by people under 30 and see how these suicides might be affected by these bills. So the average number of suicides by people 20 and under is only 2.5 per year. I expanded the number of people who may be affected by a 48 hour waiting period to include anyone between 21 and 30. Can I, yeah. Well I have a full, I have a, yep. I'm emailing them. I have all the charts. Good. Thank you. Ticket 006 . 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