 Good morning, everyone. My name is Valentina Morales, a specialist in rural development of the rural office of the FAO for Latin America and the Caribbean and would like to warmly welcome all participants in this session. This is a session of the cycle for the exchange of experiences on family farming registries. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that this event has simultaneous interpretation into Spanish, English, French, Arabic and Portuguese. We're presently adjusting the interpretation in some of the channels, but that will be working perfectly well in a few minutes. So thank you for your patience. I also remind you that this session is being recorded and you'll be able to find it in the family agriculture platform that we will be sharing with you during the event. This is a cycle of technical exchanges of experiences on family farming registry seeks to promote cooperation and the exchange of experiences based on the UN decade on family farming and also the priorities established for Latin America and the Caribbean in Santiago, Chile in 2022. This dialogue seeks to share lessons learned and challenges in the development of family farming registries and their link to policies aimed at strengthening the sector throughout the world. This event is conducted by the regional platform one of family agriculture managed by the regional FAO office for Latin America and the Caribbean with the technical support of the unit for family farming participation. This event is coordinated by the Secretariat of the Central American Farming Council, Family Farming Unit of Mancosul via its Pro Temporary Chair of Brazil and the National Coordination of the Ministry for Agricultural Development and Family Farming. In the first session we were already able to reflect on the importance of developing an institutional framework for family farming and on that occasion we were able to listen to the experiences of Panama and Croatia. We were able to view how the process to produce legislation enabling us to be able to view these key sectors so that we can have differentiated policies in place highlighting the needs of family farming. In that session we were also able to view the importance of participation in these processes with dialogue for its construction and its implementation. The recording of that first session is available in our platform in the link that we will be sharing during this second session. Today the objective is to get to know experiences to determine how the design and implementation has been done from family farming registries and to consider the main elements when we begin to work with key registries to guarantee its effectiveness as instruments for the implementation of differentiated policies. We have the pleasure of having representatives from Kenya and Jordan that will share their experiences in a few more minutes and after these two presentations by our panelists we will also have a 40 minute Q&A session so that we can discuss these cases that have been presented and so please take note of the queries that you may have so that you can then present them via the chat. This session will be guided by a whole series of guiding questions and seek to highlight elements during the design and implementation of family farming registries such as the stages of the implementation process, tools that are used, cost structures, incentives, validation processes and also challenges in view of time. I'd like to ask our panelists to deliver the presentations in 25 minutes and I'll be letting you know that you have two minutes left for your intervention so that you can bring your presentation to a close. To begin with this presentation, this session I would like to offer the floor to Mr. Wilfredo Louch who is a consultant for the escalation of the agricultural platform of Kenya. You have 20 minutes for your presentation and please confirm that you're able to share your screen so that we can begin with your presentation and I'll let you know when you have two minutes. Thank you very much ladies and gentlemen. This is Wilfredo Louch from Nairobi Kenya. I'm joined by my colleague Mr. Stuart Pippin who's also on the call and he just attempts to share my screen and then I will stand up for him as advised. Has been introduced. I am a government and FAO liaison so my job essentially is to move between government and FAO to make sure that information that is required is going between the two parties as we do implementation of the FAO Kenya office. I want to take you through a presentation that will try and show you what we have learned and the kind of things we have done in terms of developing a farmer registry for the country which is equivalent to the farming households registry that we have been talking about. So I'll try and be quick. The presentation is quite general but I have a few lessons left that I think will be good for us to discuss. So without much ado let me proceed. In this overview we'll be talking about what led to the effort that we have just undertaken in terms of registering farmers. What needs were there. Then we did a pilot as FAO in the country. I will share the experiences from there and then what we are doing right now as we scale that up to develop our national registry of farming households and then some of the challenges and lessons that we have learned that we'll be able to take some Q&A towards the end. So just in case you're wondering where Kenya is, there is where Kenya is on the map. We are at the east coast of Africa and we are smack on the equator. So let's move on to that. In terms of background and needs, this exercise came about as a result of a request from the government of Kenya to develop an information management platform that would allow us to keep track of all the farming households. In Kenya about two thirds of all rural households are farming households. In fact literally everyone who lives in the city has a farm somewhere in the rural household and there was a big challenge in terms of having that information in a central place. There were lots of registrations on going from different players, UN, some NGOs, some private sector companies and the government itself. But what looked essentially was a centralized repository where we could all be able to access this information and therefore the rest of the presentation we show you how we have tried to address this problem and where we are at. So as I said about two thirds of households in Kenya are farming households and it's estimated to be about six million households that are engaged in one form or the other of a farming household level. I mentioned the pilot in about 2020-2021 the FAO Kenya office after being approached raised some money from the FAO regional office about 300,000 US dollars and we undertook a pilot in the country. We were actually building a system based on experiences that were being carried forward from other countries in Africa that a FAO had worked on where some registries had been successfully developed and most notably Zambia and so we took we brought this system into Kenya and first of all engaged the government in customizing it and finding out where the areas of commonality would be and where the differences were. We then built a system that was targeting the Kenya scenario and then we undertook pilot in a subsection of the country where we registered farming households to demonstrate the platform actually worked and we were able to do that successfully and collect some data. One of the main things that came out of this that got us moving forward was our partners the government were able to see that this data was coming in real time and therefore we could actually monitor this data as it came in and correct any data that seemed suspicious or out of place and so after this successful pilot was quite a bit of interest in scaling this up and we are actually now in the process of doing this full blasts. So the kind of the picture you see there on the right is an example of what was going on on the ground. The enumerators after training they were using a digital tablet devices about eight inches in diameter and they were collecting data at the household at the farming household level so the picture you see there is an actual real farmer who's been interviewed by a real enumerator and they're collecting data into the tablet and transmitting it in real time to a central database where now at the control room in the capital we could actually see this data coming in and look at all the relevant metrics and so this has been carried forward into our national pilot registration that is ongoing at the moment that I'll speak about momentarily. Mr Wilfred, sorry for interrupting. Would it be possible to speak a little slower for the Arabic translation? My apologies let me reduce my speed. So maybe just to reiterate what I had said we did a pilot and out of that pilot we were able to collect data and demonstrate that the platform actually worked and as a result of this we got a lot of goodwill from the government itself and we moved forward now into doing a full-scale pilot a rather full-scale registration of farming households that I will speak about in a moment in the next slide. As I said after the 2020 and 2021 pilot we had a year of 2022 which was an election year so we sort of like dialed back our activities as that year passed by we focused mainly on capacity building and review of our plants and then in 2023 we kicked off on full farmer registration and this was scaled up to all the sub national regions in Kenya we have about 47 sub national regions known as counties and we are doing this registration in 45 out of the 47 the two that are left out are 98 percent urban cities and therefore those were left out because of the assumption that there was not much farming going on there but that's also under review because of urban farming that is coming up. Nevertheless this has been scaled up to 45 counties and we have done several things so far the picture you see there on your right is an example of one of the capacity buildings that we have been undertaking where we have trained extensively from stakeholders from both national and sub county levels so working with agricultural officers at both the national level and at the 47 sub national levels particularly the 45 that are part of the process now we have done training and we are kicking off this process interestingly enough that process actually starts today which is a fifth of September so it's interesting we're giving this presentation today because this is the kickoff of the national farmer registration after doing this extensive training which you can see there I'm in point actually the third point there which should be C not B we are we involve the national statistics office known in Kenya as the national Bureau of Statistics to make sure that the methodology was sound and that the enumeration would be done in a way that would be statistically valid so there have been part and parcel of that. The other key thing here to note is that as I mentioned the previous slide there have been many projects and programs undertaking separate disjointed registrations of farming households one of the key things that happened going forward to enable this is though we consolidated all those efforts by having the government be front and center in you know bringing all players to the table and with some additional funding we got from the World Bank and from the Swedish development agency FAO was able to provide technical support to ensure that all the efforts were consolidated into one unified and comprehensive registration so as we speak as this registration starts we have consolidated all the multiple efforts and we are creating a repository that will be shared by all the stakeholders who are previously undertaking separate disjointed registrations we had used a budget of about 300 000 US dollars for the initial pilot which involved also customizing the system so those system development there was staff costs associated with undertaking the exercise and so that's why it was 300 000 USD we estimate that this exercise in the 45 counties which is about 95 percent of the country is going to cost about 3.1 million US dollars we have funding consolidated from these multiple projects that I've talked about and we have also a pocket of funding straight from the World Bank and from the Swedish development agency and FAO itself so the key point here is we are doing a national exercise now based on consolidation of effort and funding and we are moving forward quite well with it here I want to share some few pictures as we say a picture is worth a thousand words so going from the top row to the from left to right and then the lower row the very first picture you see there if you can see my cursor that this picture is the one that is there previously this is an example of the kind of capacity building we were doing which was decentralized so we were going out to the counties to the sub-national levels and bring the training there to make sure there is uptake at that level there was a lot of recruitment to be done it's just an this is not actual line of enumerated being recruited but you have an example to show you there was a lot of interest in fact as we speak there are still some recruitments that are ongoing in different counties because the number of applicants to for these positions was enormous and exceeded the requirement we also worked closely with the local government administration so that you see here on the right hand side right is an example of a sensitization taking place at the local governments where the local administration officers were brought on board and briefed on why this exercise was important and they were essentially making sure that sensitization is done properly at the village and household level door to door literally in meetings that in Africa we call barazas where you call people in and talk to them about what's going on and so these were important to on board also helps to ensure security of the enumerators as they went out and also the security of the farmers as they were visited within their homesteads for purposes of enumeration which at the bottom left here shows you one of the field activities that was undertaken but this is an example here of one mission that we went on with to test the system prior to doing the training so here we had local young people been involved in the exercise and in this picture they have been debriefed by a village elder who was just about to take them into a village and to identify the house the farming households that they would then add to the database so this exercise involved you know getting stakeholders to understand what we were doing at all levels from the national level to the village and to the household in the middle here where there's a motorcycle shows you one of the field tests subsequent to the issue on the left where now this was actually at collecting the data in some of these subnational counties where now the elders were actually serving some of the farms so that they could guide the enumerators who would be coming appropriately and save time and avoid them getting lost and things like that the panel in the bottom half here shows you an oath ceremony where because the data is sensitive and has personal and defined information in it we required the enumerators working on the ground to swear an oath saying that they would manage this data as expected and not misuse the private information that they would be getting from the farmers so the way it was done because of the large numbers is there would be a standard oath prepared and then we would have an administrator of oaths a lawyer in other words come in and get everybody on oath so this is happening currently in about in 45 of those subnational regions we have talked about and we estimate the number total number of data collectors or enumerators will be between 15 000 and 20 000 who are hitting the ground as we talk now so that's a quick overview of what was going on in terms of preparing for this let's take a look at the challenges we faced as I try to use my remaining time first of all I said that there were multiple projects and programs which were already undertaking this kind of exercise in a disjointed manner and therefore whenever you wanted to know how many farming households we had it was difficult to establish that because everybody had their odd piece of data somewhere we also had a lot of requests to change these we change you know what kind of data was being collected because different parties wanted to have their own data collected perhaps based on what their specific program was interested in so just that point b we actually spent a lot of time putting people at the same table around the table to agree on some common parameters that could then be put in the common tool so that everybody got a bit of what they wanted but not everything they wanted we also experienced some issues some complications due to our procurement and due process as we know in FAO we have stringent procurement procedures so sometimes the government wanted to move faster than those procedures allowed and so this was also you know a pain point at some point but we managed to to work with within the allowable parameters there was also a huge turnover in some departments government being government and government employees being expected to work anywhere in the country at in any time sometimes we had trained individuals who then would be moved from that situation to somewhere else so that meant retraining or you know making necessary adjustments there another challenge we faced was stakeholders who had different priorities some of them big donors who wanted to do different things and so we had to find those who are willing to work with our line of thought and turn narrow down to what was common then there was also an issue of technology so because there were different options being put on the table we eventually had to settle for the kind of technology that the government was comfortable with and which the majority of people were happy with. Finally what are some of the lessons we learned so if I was to summarize that we from this exercise which is kicking off today as I said and data is already streaming actually as I speak to you I was logging on and checking that we are literally getting sometimes a thousand records coming in every hour from across the board because it's taking our animators perhaps 20 to 30 minutes to interview a farmer and those records are flying in literally in real time now we needed high level support which we managed to get so getting the minister and anybody at that level to endorse the project so that then everybody moves in that direction that's one of the issues that was there then we had to make sure we have engaged all the stakeholders because I said we had a lot of disjointed efforts ongoing and we needed to make sure that we have funding put together in a common port to be able to execute this at scale across the country and that could only be done if everybody put their little pockets of money into one big basket to enable that to go forward and that created momentum that is now being seen going forward the vendor management on technology also was an issue that we learned about on the job sometimes you want things to be done much quicker than the vendor can respond so we had to make sure that we establish a good enough relationship with the vendor so that when the government wakes up the next day and says we want these additional items captured we have the ability to turn around within that time the other thing was that we learned fair is it was easier for us to do this in bits and pieces as you can imagine so we shipped out this module and a few of the modules we are working on for example we are working on delivery of targeted extensional messages to these farmers after they have been registered and but we're taking a piecemeal step-by-step approach to doing this so that it's manageable due to the number of stakeholders and their huge interests here this particular process by the way has actually also been specifically called out by the president of the country his excellency and therefore it has that level of visibility he has actually said that he's watching this process and so we have endorsement from that level and it's moving on well obviously it's expensive to undertake this exercise and so the costs keep going up and up by the day but we have managed to at least set some ceilings and managed expectations of stakeholders so that we can remain within budget and perhaps postpone other kinds of things to a later date so finally I would say if we to summarize what we have learned from this exercise as we proceed to create this registry that will be significant and inform future policy decisions based on empirical evidence because this is what we have lacked up till now we have never really been able to say how many farmers we have what they are growing what kind of farm sizes they have what livestock they keep what their challenges are until now so we expect that over the next one month the end of September we should be able to have a database that we can query and actually now it's very specifically informed policy decisions based on actual statistically sound data so in summary it takes it takes a while we did the best in terms of planning but there were all those things popping up and you really just have to be agile and be able to prepare for a long process this has been the making since 2021 or 2020 as I've said and it's only now that it's taking off so today is a definitive day glad I was able to make the presentation at this point so with that I think I've done my 20 minutes I would like to leave it there and hand it back to you Valentina thank you very much thank you very much for this excellent presentation thank you very much this is a very interesting case from Kenya as the as mr. Wilfred said is something happening as we speak and we would like to commend you for this at the beginning of the data collection of more than work done by more than 15 000 data collectors and once the database is ready we will be able to discuss again and you will be able to tell us the lessons learned that you will be able to gather during the process we see in this case the importance of collaboration among different stakeholders the key role of the government and endorsing the initiative that has allowed to sensitize this sector that also has the support of his excellency the president of Kenya so it is something important of that relevance and also the importance of the fact that these processes are participatory including dialogue but was also part of the training of these data collectors that are starting their work today and this huge mission of being able to collect and survey this information thank you so much for your presentation in case the audience has questions or comments you may jot them down so we can discuss it during the q&a session at the end of our presentations or you can raise your hand once the presentations are done once again thank you very much we are going to go into the next case now before that let me remind you that there is interpretation available into English French Portuguese Spanish and Arabic and we're also recording the session so you can also find it in the regional technical platform that is available at the link in this chat we are going to go now into the Jordan case our colleague Marco de Milato coordinator of the FAC in Jordan and Dr. Jardaleza head of projects of the Minister of Recruiter in Jordan you have 25 minutes for your presentation I'll let you know when you're left with only two minutes so you can start wrapping up your presentation so please go ahead thank you thank you very much Valentina and good morning everyone thanks also to your office and the organizer for this webinar which I believe is coming on the right time I think is a good momentum for a farmer registries that are being developed in several countries and it's good to share experience challenges less learned so thanks for this and I'm here my name is Marco de Milato and the project manager for FAC Jordan I'm based in Amman and have been working since the last couple of years in developing the what we call JAMIS which is an integrated agriculture management information system the system has been developed and designed within a larger program okay so it's only one output of a larger program that is focused on different other sectors we have livelihood support we have forestry and we have refugees support so this is only one small aspect and the project is funded by the European Union and is implemented in two countries which is Lebanon and Jordan and the title is announcing resilient livelihood and food security of host community and Syrian refugees in Jordan and Lebanon through the promotion of sustainable agricultural development so the project is implemented by three UN agency the Rome base UN agencies which is FAO effort and war food program and is implemented in collaboration with the minister of agriculture in Jordan and the ministry of agriculture in Lebanon next this particular registry has been designed in collaboration with FAO Lebanon they started working on this since the last few years and they piloted and what we are presenting here is a customization of their system which also took into consideration the previous experience of other countries including Kenya the JAMIS including Zambia that we started and analyzed before starting the design of JAMIS in Jordan it has three main elements the first one is the farmer registry the second one we will see it later is a targeting module and the third one is a new voucher management module the farmer registry has one central system and the server is installed at the Modi the ministry of digitalization in in Jordan so it's not in FAO but is directly installed and we are using the server of the government of Jordan we supported the ministry of agriculture in Jordan to rehabilitate and equip 22 centers and we have also the possibility of mobile units because we provide also tablets to the enumerators of the ministry of agriculture and they can register the farmers at their own farms they can move all around Jordan and register farm we have a target of 50 000 farmer to be registered this year and even though we are aiming at registering 100 percent of the farmer population which is estimated to be 120 000 farmers in Jordan we do not have the exact numbers reason being because we do not have a registry or an official registry so far in Jordan the targeting module is looking at vulnerable farmers and we are working here with a workbook program to determine and the categories that will be used to target the vulnerable farmers so we are currently conducting studies with workbook program to decide the categories that will be used in the future to determine who is vulnerable and who is not vulnerable and it will be a flexible model where the vulnerability is decided according to the criteria that can be identified by a specific program or a specific partner a specific stakeholder or UN agencies okay you may have a program a social protection program which is more focused on children or more focused on women or people with disability and you want to give different weight to these particular categories so you will be able in the targeting module to change or to tailor made the weight that you want to give to any given categories so that you have a specific list of farmers that are aligned to the objective of a specific program we then have also a third module which is an evoucher management modules where we will be able to register also supplier and and products and then give evoucher or paper voucher also to farmers so that they can be assisted with with input all over the land next why an integrated agricultural management information system I think I share here I don't want to repeat what was mentioned before by my colleague Wilfred but we have similar challenges in Kenya well first of all we wanted to support the agricultural development and the social protection action in the country and as we want to reduce rural poverty so as you see the focus is not so much to increase the taxation and this was a big debate and also big fears from the farmer when we interviewed them in the pilot phase they were fearing of incurring a new taxation by the government but actually the initial scope and the current scope is to support social protection and reduce rural poverty as mentioned by Wilfred before we had existing registries okay but not a unified one okay so and not a complete one and not a registered that focus on agricultural sector per se okay so this is what we found at the beginning over the project to systematize this different registering in one single unified registry in the future is not yet there in the future we would like also to use the registry to monitor food security and nutrition as we speak we are working on it with the different stakeholder but the module for food security and nutrition is not yet ready and active the final ultimate goal is also to support the minister of agriculture and other ministry to develop relevant policies for social protection within the agricultural sector next Mainstek Holder Faw Lebanon which is our partner in this project this regional project targeting the two country Lebanon and Jordan the ministry of agriculture we have modi as I told you we are using the server of modi ministry of digital economy and entrepreneurship and then we have a service provider IDS which is based in Lebanon and then two UN agency workbook program and infant and the donor is the European Union next the steps and the requirements which I found some similarities with the case studies in Kenya we started with the identification of the data set to collect how did we do that it was not an exercise that was implemented in closed door in Faw offices but actually was a participatory exercise and we invited several stakeholders not only the ministry of culture but department of statistics farmers unions privates academia and we try to come up with the ideal data set that has to be considered for the farmer registry was not easy to find consensus and of course keep changing as we speak actually it's keep changing and because we realize that certain data are relevant and certain data are already there so we just create API or linkages with existing database from other government department but that was the first initial activities that we have done after that we move to mapping existing databases as I told you some databases were already there we wanted to know who were collecting data how how updated where the data and how the jammies could be linked to these existing database only then we started the software design and starting with the customization of the software that was already designed in Lebanon we then trying to implement the interoperability and linkages with other registry as I mentioned before and that require also some memorandum of understanding with others the colder i can for example the department of lands or civil status department etc we then moved to hardware procurement computer tablets we had internet connection we have four natures within the registration center of the ministry of agriculture all this was procured by file and then handed over to the ministry of agriculture and then we enter into the capacity building phase where we had capacity building in different categories of partners and stakeholders from the it to the enumerators on the ground and after that the last phase which is still ongoing with finalizing few minor details in these days is the development of the SOPs and this is the ministry of agriculture is taking the lead and we will have some slides during this presentation next this is just some screenshot on how the system looks and we will have two version in English and Arabic even though we are using only the Arabic for registration and then the English is mainly for dissemination training etc and next we have several modules as I told you we'll have the first one is the farmer basic information why we register all the needed information not only for the farmer but also for the households the wife and the number of people living in that particular households etc next we don't go into the detail for the sake of time but after registration the farmer we go and register the farm to understand which crops which animal or fish or bees or bees are and any other agricultural activities are implemented in that particular farm next the registration is a bit longer than the one in Kenya we take longer than 25 minutes and time can reach up to 45 but this is because we're trying to get as many data as possible as you can see we have farm type, farm cattle, fish, chicken, bees and then we go down into the assets and even down into the workers and farm activities next we have then what I mentioned before the targeting modules and this targeting module as I mentioned is flexible so that it can be tailored made by the ministry of agriculture and stakeholder and they will be giving specific weight according to their priorities and then they will get the list of the potential beneficiaries of any specific social protection activities or evoucher program next and then we have of course a module to manage supplier that needs to register in the system so that they can supply inputs to the farmer that are eligible for any specific evoucher program next and then we have also some dashboard that the ministry of agriculture use and found as well of course to monitor and see the progress of the registration the progress of evoucher disaggregation by gender disaggregation by governorates or by nationalities so there is a set of filters that they can use and they can monitor the system on a daily basis as we speak well this was a screenshot that was taken a few days ago but we have already 9,000 farmers that has been registered in Jordan next okay I just want to mention here the linkages that we were able to implement in Jordan with the other department particularly with the civil status which will allow now the data to be uploaded from the civil status database once we enter the ID of the farmers all the data will be automatically entered into the registry in jammies similarly with the department of land we created some linkages so that data will be shared between jammies and the department of land same with the Amman chamber of commerce public security and then sms companies to share messages with with the farmers and with the ministry of agriculture extension services next what are the future potential we would like to in the near future to design a module for extension services as well as flexibility of product we are working on it and hopefully soon we will have this module integrated into jammies of course we already have the farmer registry launched and as we speak the enumerators of the minister of agriculture are registering farmers on a daily basis and we are working on a food security and nutrition monitoring we would like to have this monitoring tool ready hopefully by the next year to monitor food security and nutrition and then through the e voucher and we are aiming at increasing social support to the to the farmer next okay as I mentioned earlier we are in a process of together with the ministry of agriculture developing the sops and I would like to give the floor now to the ministry of agriculture Khalid and my colleague world they will present you the sops and the progress and the challenges that we had in coming up with the let's say the legal framework related to it over to you Khalid thank you very much is miss walruth sorry for interrupting we are trying we are trying to stay next story miss walruth we are trying to fix the translation in arabic so maybe you can just give us a few minutes we are trying to to fix the translation next please you hear me next yeah do do you hear me right or this is you hello can can you hear me hello mark marco yes yes we're all they are fixing the translation yes few minutes now it's working now it's working so you can go ahead sorry sorry for that now it's working okay great world you can proceed yes okay thank you marco hey please next next next Salahiyat, Istidamah, Taalimah, Tawsiq, Al-Qasim, Al-Hamla, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, Al-Qasim, to deal with the system. Now, through the work, we can have a solution in the other sections to make the decision that they need to deal with the system. But this is only a piece of advice and it is only a piece of advice that is included in the details of the meetings. Please next. Next. Do you hear me? Yeah. On the subject of immigration, who is responsible for immigration? The agricultural market, the production of plants, and animal production. Who is responsible for the head of the Department of Division of Plants and Animal Wals, and the head of the Ministry of Agriculture? The Ministry of Environment, the Ministry of Central and Regional Affairs is responsible for the selection of plants. He is the head of the Department of Agriculture, the head of the Department of Agriculture, because it is legal and legal. Therefore, we are responsible for the selection of plants for one person only. As for the selection of plants for the system, the Ministry of Agriculture, the Department of Agriculture, the Ministry of Agriculture, the Department of Animal Wals, is responsible for the selection of plants for one person only. Therefore, we have selected the selection of plants for one person only. In the case of the changes, if we talk about the changes on any system, on any information you have, it prevents, for example, the addition of the selection of plants, or the Ministry of Agriculture, or the change of their selection. The selection of the entrance itself prevents the selection of old plants, and the addition of new plants, in order to have a reference for the information and the previous statements, at a certain stage, in the year or month of water, we would have a reference for this standard. This is the second thing. For example, in the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Agriculture, we do the selection of the Ministry of Agriculture, and we add a new selection, in the name of the new Ministry of Agriculture, for example, for example, B. Yes. The issue of selection of the system is a very important issue. Therefore, we have selected this system in the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Agriculture, in the case of the services provided by the Ministry of Agriculture, for the elderly, such as the selection, such as the selection and selection, such as the available work, any minister who wants a service from the Ministry of Agriculture, must, first of all, reach his position, take the ID number to his farm, and then take any other service. This is the second thing. We must make a selection and a new annual selection, that is, we have to make an update for this selection in a year, a year from the beginning, in order to ensure that if there are any changes, or changes to the type of selection, or the owner of the selection, we will always be able to continue with the selection and selection. Now, who will be able to make a user, who will be able to help the public, who will be able to organize a service from the Ministry of Agriculture, who will be able to use any user, and make their selection. Please, next. Now, here we have given the public image, like the production of plants and animal products, but all of them, we have to make a selection, whether the selection is limited or not limited, what does it mean, limited or not limited? It means that it will explain the law or not the law. This is the point. The second point is that, in terms of the selection, in the Ministry of Agriculture, there is a certain number of selection. For example, if the production of plants, if the selection is 4% of the selection, if it is less than 4% of the selection, in this case, we hope that, if the selection is less than the selection, then it will be limited. Because the selection of farmers is very important, and that is why we have heard that the selection of farmers and the selection of farmers is limited to their own farmers, but for example, the production of plants, it has to be at least 1% of the selection, and not more than 1% of the selection. Less than 1% of the selection is considered not limited, for example, if the selection is limited, therefore, it is not limited. Above the selection, it is limited. The production of animals is also limited. There is a certain number of selection. If any farmer has these numbers, they have to be limited. In terms of the selection, if it is limited or not limited, and this is also important for the selection of this system. This next, next, next. Let's talk about a very important issue, which is the selection of crops and crop. We took the examination of the selection of crops and crops. For example, the selection of crops, among the parts of the plants, the parts of the plant and the parts of the plant, to make and harvest the recorded seeds. And it should not be that every year, these plants are sent down to the field and confirmed by information in general, about the recorded seeds in the system. We are convinced that in certain stages of the selection, if there is a selection, in any case, we put a certain amount of selection. For example, if the selection was less than 5% of the selection, or the selection was less than 5% of the selection, or less than 10%, we put a number of selection procedures, if there were any selection, in this case, we put a number of selection procedures, or a number of selection procedures, in this case, or the selection of crops on this system. This next, for example, in the last point, if the selection was less than 10%, what should we do as a central management if we find mistakes in water management or in the protection of the system, we make 10% of the mistakes. The selection is directly considered by this committee. The selection process is complete. In addition, it is directed to the investigation and the selection of crops that are made in the civil service system. Next. Finally, the system of crops and crops, we are a part of crops and income and consumption, so we have distributed the facilities based on the artificial resources and the employees on this part, and it is the project sector in the Ministry of Agriculture, we have distributed their facilities all according to the management level and their role in this system. I thank you all and I hope that I have given you the opportunity to talk about the most important artificial resources that we have taken in the field of artificial resources. Thank you. Khalid, would you like to add something? Yes, do you hear me? Yes. Thank you, Marko. Thank you for your presentation, but I can't hear the sound. We don't have the sound. I also thank you, Zalili, for the presentation of the distinguished Arabian. In fact, I would like to point out that the forestry industry is almost the same. In the beginning, someone who was in charge of the Jordanian Republic was in charge of the Middle East, close to 60 million people. 20% of the population is from the Syrian region, the majority of the region is from the Syrian region. This system is the system of the implementation of the real situation in the present time. Most of the people we met during the COVID-19 have not been given any information about the Jordanian people in the Middle East. We know that the events that were held during the COVID-19 pandemic caused no access to their homes. Due to the fact that the government and the Ministry of Agriculture were completely aware of their homes and were concerned with the need to provide the appropriate time. Therefore, the Ministry of Agriculture was very aware of the situation. The first European Ministry of Agriculture was in charge of the United States of America following the Jordanian Forestry and Agriculture Initiative to implement this project in its fourth attempt. It was one of the attempts to make it a very effective system. This system, as I said, is not going to repeat the same thing again. As I explained earlier, it is about the benefits and benefits of the implementation of this system. We know that the system is different from the authorities. There are Jordanian authorities and other authorities. There is work done by the local authorities to make it a very effective system. It is about the benefits and benefits of the implementation of this system. In addition, it is about the activities of the local authorities. Therefore, the number of complaints was high because the Jordanian Forestry and Agriculture Initiative is about the activities of the Jordanian Forestry and Agriculture Initiative. The activities of the Jordanian Forestry and Agriculture Initiative are about the activities of the local authorities to make it a very effective system. The interpreters from Spanish to English would like to apologize, but there is no interpretation into Spanish available. There are about 26 million people who have received support. Therefore, there is also a high level of support between the youth in Jordan. Through the data and police investigation, we are able to investigate the work done by the local authorities. As I said, I apologize for interrupting. You have one minute left to end this presentation. Thank you. I would like to thank all the people who came to the meeting on November 11th and the supplier for various services to the Ministry of Agriculture in order to introduce them and inform them about the system. I would like to mention the distribution of these services to the local authorities. For example, in the case of Dr. Kond in the field of agriculture, the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Agriculture and Agriculture has made it clear to us that these services have to do with this type of services. Therefore, this system is going to make it a way for the local authorities and the local authorities. Thank you very much for listening. Thank you, Khaled. Over to you, Valentina. Thank you very much for this presentation. Thank you very much for the presentation and for taking the time of sharing your experience. A very interesting case that you presented, not only involving the Ministry of Agriculture but other industries and also involving the existing records and unifying them into a single one that is focused on farming that is very necessary to be able to develop these differentiated public policies for the sector and to connect with the work strategies of the government that may adapt to specific needs. Thank you very much. Also, expanding the registry in order to provide digital services. Also, thank you very much for showing visually how the platform operates and the importance of having these procedures and objectives well-defined, as you told us, with verification processes and quality control processes that enable the sustainability of this registry. So thank you very much. It's also very interesting to see how in different parts of the world there are these thriving initiatives of farmers and registry. We also see a significant supporter from governments as well. We also saw this session in this previous session. We will continue to see this in the third session, cases from other parts of the world. Thank you again. We will now go into the last segment of this session, which is the Q&A segment for those who would like to ask questions. You can click on your button to raise your hand and you may have three minutes to ask your questions. And please also, if you can introduce yourselves before speaking and to specify who you are addressing, please. We also have some questions on the chat. You can also keep on writing down your questions. So we will go through the first round of Q&A. I don't know if anyone has raised their hand or if not, we will focus on the questions posted on the chat. So we will ask two questions for both cases. The first one is, is there a characterization for farmers? Is there any operational definition that distinguishes these farmers that are being part of this registry? And also, is there any legal framework associated to maintaining the records of the registry that you interviewed? So I'd like to offer the floor first to Mr. Wilfred. Are you still with us? Are you still there? If you could, please answer these two questions. Yes, I'm still here. Now, Mr. Wilfred, if you could answer these two questions. And then we'll move on to the next case. Thank you, Valentino, and thank you, everyone, for your questions and also for the presentation from my colleagues. In terms of the first question of the operational definition of a farmer, in our teams here, we've actually spent quite a bit of time debating that. And we have also been borrowing heavily from the experiences in other places. For example, in the US, some of the definitions the USDA has defined, we have essentially been trying to come up with a standard definition. So we do have a manual, but to be honest, we haven't nailed it exactly. But we are currently in the process of setting some minimum thresholds. So that, for example, if someone has one chicken, they don't qualify as a chicken farmer. And so we are actually in the process of defining what thresholds will be applied going forward. And we are hoping that from this exercise of collecting the approximately 6 million plus records that we are anticipating, by doing some analysis of that, we will be able to come up with a clearer operational definition. But I wish my colleague from the Ministry of Agriculture of Kenya was here because he has been at the forefront. And I believe there's some definitions they have come up with, but I'm not able to execute that at this point. So I'll leave it at that. In terms of the legal framework for the data that we are collecting, in 2019, Kenya passed a law known as the Data Protection Act. And that act has provisions for the rights of the data subject and the responsibilities of the data processors, such as ourselves. And it does stipulate, for example, certain rights that the data subject has, like if they wish for us to delete their record, there's a procedure that they can use to opt out. And also, for us as data processors, we are not allowed to use the data beyond the originally stated purpose for which we collected it, unless we go back to the data subject and obtain consent. So that act has broad provisions for what we can and cannot do with the data. And also, the modus operandi for accessing that data and using it going forward. So let me leave it at that. Thank you. Back to you, Valentino. Thank you very much. Muchas gracias. Thank you very much. So the same two questions. If we can ask those two questions for the second case. Mr. Marco Halid, if you could answer these two questions. Thank you. Thank you very much, Valentino. And let me try to answer. And then maybe Khaled or Burut may have some integration. But yes, similarly to the case of Kenya, the definition of farmer is actually probably one of the first challenge that we had to face at the beginning of the project. Because there was not an official definition of who is the farmer, who is not a farmer. And as we speak, two entities are trying to come up with the definition. This is the Ministry of Agriculture in collaboration with the Department of Statistics. And they are using a definition which are recognized internationally, including the definition by FAO and other UN agencies. So we do not have it yet. We are in the process together with the Ministry of Agriculture to define. So as we speak, we are registering all the people or actors involved in agricultural sectors. Despite the sites of the land, despite the income, they gain from the agricultural activities. We collect all the data. And hopefully soon we will be able to get a definition of farmer. We do not have an act or a law specifically for the farmer registry, but my colleague Burut presented before all the SOP, all the regulation that the Ministry of Agriculture in the last few months came up to regulate the collection of data, the validation of data. We have been discussing also about security, privacy, confidentiality, and all the data. I'm not sure if this is the same for the case of Kenya, but the data are not owned by FAO, are not old in FAO, but they are in the government hands and government server. So I hope I answered the question. I don't know if Khalid or Burut, you want to add something? Maybe in English, considering I understand there are some problems and challenges with Arabic translation. So probably you tell me, Valentina, if you prefer that we try to speak in English with our colleague in the Minnesota Agriculture, Jordan. If it's possible, it would be great if they could speak in English due to a problem with the translation. Okay. Khalid, do you have any other integration on the definition of farmer or on the legal framework? Yes, Matu, thank you. As you know, as you said, Matu, the definition of farmer is quick-challenged in Jordan as a different country. The PO and the Ministry of Agriculture did a lot of negotiation about this one, and we tried to work and define the farmer. But for a special case in the farm registry system in Jordan, we tried to connect to the information who had the farmer who had at least 0.1 hectare, 1 tonne, 1,000 square meter, and the production is not for the household living, but also is for some products from this plant. Thank you. Thank you, Khalid. Over to you, Valentina. Thank you very much. Now we'll go to the last three questions. We'll now go into the last three questions. First, for Kenya and then for Dr. Marco Khalid in Urud. There are three questions for you, Wilfred. First, the data from farmers and growers that are recorded are those organized or so that are individual data points. The question is also about one of the data that are queried or is of email address and some people from the audience would like to know if this is a frequent tool that is used among farmers' emails. And also a question about how farmers perceive this process in Kenya. Go ahead, please. Thank you very much. The first one, I didn't get completely clearly, but I guess it was about... Could you please repeat the first one, please, Valentina? If the farmers' data or the data that are surveyed or collected are data from organizations of farmers or associations of farmers, or are these individual farmers? Thank you very much. I get it now. So the data we're collecting at the moment for what I presented is of email address and some people the data we're collecting at the moment for what I presented is of individual farmers and particularly the heads of those farming households. We do, however, have a different survey process, a different data collection process which registers the institutional farms and that's been run separately, particularly by the National Statistics Office and also the commercial farms. So those are handled separately, but in this particular exercise, we are collecting data about the individual farmer and we are collecting items such as the GPS of the farm or the household structure, whichever is actually the household structure at this point. We plan to also map the farms themselves by collecting polygons of the physical locations of the farms. And we do collect the email address. We collect their mobile telephone number. We collect their personal ID in Kenya. Everyone has a personal ID which has a number that you use to access government services. We do not communicate with them via email as far as I know. What we use is by mobile SMS and one of the things we do, well, let's say two primary things we do once we collect that mobile number is we are able to send them voucher codes which allow them to get discounts for shopping through that SMS service which we have tested in our pilot as well. We also plan to do extension services using that very code by sending them targeted messages. So because we collect which crops they grow, which livestock they keep, we plan to be able to, for example, send potato-related messages specifically to potato farmers and specifically to those in a very targeted area by using all that information that is there. The last question of what is the perspective of farmers with regard to this. Occasionally, farmers have been resistant because they have thought that this process might have to do with the tax collection or other initiatives of the government which would incur costs to them. But when we have done a proper sensitization, they have realized that being on this common registry, they also get benefits such as the vouchers I've just talked about and they also get targeted messages. And one of the other things we want to do is to also help farmers aggregate into groups so that they can learn from one another and access markets more profitably. So as long as we have explained the message well, farmers have been very welcoming of this exercise. Back to you, Valentina. Great, thank you. So now we go to the same three questions. So the same three questions for Marco, for Khalid and Uruk. Please, go ahead. Thank you. Thank you, Valentina. I think similarly to what my colleague Wilfred mentioned, we are collecting information at individual level and not at group or co-operatives and we also target the heads of the households and then get information also about the other members of the household but the interview is for individual farmers and not groups or co-operatives. The main means of communication is not email. We collect the email but when we need to communicate with the farmer, we use SMS, we use phone. This is in Jordan the most common communication tool that is used when you want to communicate with farmers. So SMS is working very well. In terms of perception, similarly, initially in the pilot I mentioned before, there were some fears of taxation. I cannot say that fear is not there now. Let's see how it goes, the registration. But I can tell you that we are starting a sensitization campaign through video, through social media, through poster, through SMS and similarly, the farmers are understanding the positive impact that the farmer registry can have in their livelihood by receiving support, receiving extension services, receiving e-voucher, discounts, et cetera. So we are hoping that with this sensitization campaign we are able to tackle their fear and their resistance. Thank you. Thank you, Marco, Ejalid and Burut. We really apologize for the translation in Arabic. We will make sure that this does not happen again, so we are very sorry. Dear participants, thank you very much for your very valuable contributions, for your questions. And we hope you have been able to clarify some of your doubts and hopefully we will be able to hold a more in-depth discussion about your presentations and your national context. We thank the participation of panelists for sharing their experiences and for sharing your knowledge about the design and implementation of family farming registries. Now I'd like to offer the floor to Pedro Boarreto in charge of family farming in the Latin American and Caribbean FAO office who will share his final comments with us. Thank you, Valentina, colleagues. Marco Wilfred, Ejalid, Burut for presenting these cases from Jordan and from Kenya. I would like to again apologize for the problem that we had with the Arabic translation and to all our panelists. But these are challenges that form part of activities of this nature that have a global scope. What we are viewing throughout these sessions is that indeed there are a whole series of institutional perspectives for the design and implementation of family farming registries. And there has to be a commitment on the part of governments and a political commitment in terms of the capability to build alliances for these registries. These can be international alliances or partnerships with other ministries or other public institutions and also with the public that are the farmers who are indeed the main beneficiaries of this process. In the case of Jordan and in the case of Kenya, we also see that there is a dimension related to the time needed for registration. We need to obtain relevant data. And all this reinforces the importance of the commitment on the part of different stakeholders. And there is also a dimension related to costs. There are costs associated to this, financial costs that teach us that the registry is not a solution that will be created overnight. But that requires a continuous perspective. Updating is something permanent. The maintenance of the registry as a tool to guide public action requires that permanent commitment. And there is another dimension that we will discuss in greater depth during our next session. And that is mentioned in the two steps that we have viewed here. And that is how this will link up with the actions of the state. This is not an isolated tool in different institutions because its objective is to link this to public actions, to policy programs, to social protection actions. And that is indeed the reflection that we must discuss in greater depth during the third session that we will be holding in October. The registry enables us to strengthen the commitment of the state with agriculture, with farmers, and enables us to make them visible so that we can guide state policies. It is not simply an information tool, but it has some concrete objectives. We hope that you have enjoyed this event. I thank the colleagues from the Executive Secretariat of the Central American Council on Livestock and Farming and Livestock, the Secretariat of Amerokosur, who are also supporting us in the coordination of this event and who have been able to participate and support us with case studies and everything that we're discussing here. Thank you very much, everyone, and thank you, Valentina, for your participation. Thank you, Pedro. We would like to say that the recording of this session will be in the regional technical secretariat platform for family agriculture in the link that we have placed in the chat. And I would also like to reinforce the fact that on October 5th that we will hold the third session of this event. And we will be talking about the link between the registry and differentiated public policies for this family farming sector. So thank you very much for your time, willingness and participation. And we hope to meet again during the third session on October 5th. Thank you very much and goodbye.