 Well good morning. Welcome to War Camp Atlanta. This is my first time at this Pacific War Camp. I am excited to say they're gonna have a War Camp Birmingham Alabama this year. It's gonna be sometime this summer if you all want to head over to Birmingham later. So like Daniel said my name is Rachel Cardin and I'm a web developer and designer at the University of Alabama. I've been in higher education now for almost 10 years. Worked at three different universities. So I obviously have a lot of experience in higher ed but I also have a lot of love for it. It's a really great environment to work in. Does anybody here work in higher ed? Awesome. Like awesome. Okay. So you know a lot of institutions they're just like little communities. They're like little towns. And you have all these people working together for the same goal. So it's a really great environment to be a part of. As he mentioned, there we go. Animation. Fancy. I am the founder of WP campus which is a community and initiative for those who use WordPress in higher education. You do not have to be in higher education to be a part of WP campus. We just have people that, there we go. Family animations are not synced up. But we just have a lot of people in a group who just want to help and be a part of it because they love WordPress or they love education and they want to help. And so you can find information WP campus.org. We have a thriving Slack account where we all chat. And we have a conference plan for this summer in Sarasota, Florida, which we're really excited about. And our call for speakers is open right now and it closes on Monday. So if you want to get in on that action, the time is nigh. If you do, if you're interested in speaking and you don't know topics, talk to me. So we have a list of ideas that I'm welcome to share if you're looking for ideas. This is where I work. University of Alabama and Tuscaloosa. Beautiful campus. We have, we're really growing right now. We have close to 40,000 and growing students. Just one campus. That's a little crazy. Beautiful, though, like 200 acres. Like I said, I've been a hire about 10 years. I studied at a Mississippi University for women as a graphic designer over in Columbus, Mississippi. Small, beautiful, old school. They teach men. They won't change their name. So it's interesting a little campus. I did work at Samford University over in Birmingham for a few years. And now I've been at the University of Alabama now for a little over five years. So there are a lot of CMSs out there. We all know that. Here are some of the kind of the popular ones in higher education. OmniUpdate is big and growing. And I used to use Eggtron at Samford. Those are, I know that Eggtron uses .NET. I'm honestly not confident what OmniUpdate uses. Hannon Hill is also very popular. And we all know, of course, about Drupal and Jim Lowe. So basically, what I want to talk a little bit about today is why WordPress. Why is WordPress used in higher ed and why is it great for higher ed? I personally believe that higher education should invest in open source in the community that it provides. It encourages openness and collaboration and community. It encourages education. A lot of us learned web, you know, off of these open source platforms. And it is something that higher ed should take advantage of. Unfortunately around, you know, at least in this part of the country, web education is not really big in higher ed. There's not programs here. Maybe in some small, I know there's some like small kind of like community colleges that'll do it, things like that. There's not a program at UA. And so and I hate that. And because of that, we have trouble hiring web people. Anytime there's a web listing on our campus, a job listing, it takes usually on average about six months to fill. Because there's just not a there's not a pool of them. There's not a good groundwork laid in our area for them. And it's it's sad and I hate it. And I'd like to change that. And so, so anyway, WordPress. So why WordPress is great for higher ed a few things. First cost, obviously, WordPress is free. That doesn't mean it is completely free to host it and things like that. But that's fairly affordable. You know, things like using PHP and all that stuff. Even you know, there's also great free plugins. And even the premium ones are, you know, they're fairly affordable, not that crazy. You can get some really good hosting, things like that. A lot of universities self host, if they're big enough and they have the resources, we do, we have a pretty big IT department that does all our hosting. And so that's internal. But a lot of universities, especially smaller ones, they'll use, you know, other companies like WP engine, and other to do their hosting and take care of that for them. They don't have to worry about it. Like I mentioned, community, the open source is a really great reason. You know, it's it's encourages innovation, and it's easy to use and contribution is open and democratic. It's really great for a higher education environment. If you're not familiar with higher ed, it's, you know, like I said earlier, it's a lot of little units working together and a lot of little silos, which can be good and bad. But, but encouraging these groups working together, you know, and so you think these kind of systems that are open, and kind of helping to share information between these units and stuff like that is a really great thing in higher ed. Also, it's flexibility, the ease that you can add to it and extend it, you know, like the plugins stuff like that, how easy it is to use WordPress as your core, but go in and extend it for your specific, you know, custom applications, you know, and all the plugins and stuff like that. A real big thing that I really use a lot is the user management. Basically, how a lot of higher ed works is you have someone like me who sets up the website and sets up the themes, manages the plugins, and then it's handed off to a secretary or assistant director, basically people whose website is their duties as needed, because they're not web professionals. It's not even in their job description, but someone in their apartment has to do it and there's not a web developer for every department. And so WordPress is great in that user management. I just call it distributed editing. We I am I am the sole web developer for entire division, which has over 20 departments and numerous programs. I have a portfolio of 60 websites. And I'm the developer of the designer and the user testing on the QA and the project manager and everything. And so having a system like this that can really let me find point, you know, the managing all users and their permission, things like that is really helpful. So I love this comment. So we announced AP campus back in the fall in post status. And someone commented, it would be a long way to go for WordPress to enter higher ed. And my buddy Curtis commented and basically pointed out the fact you realize that actually WordPress is used at a lot of higher education institutions. So far that BP campus over 200 institutions are represented and growing. We've only been around since the fall. And so we get, you know, a handful of new users every day, and people that are joining in and we're finding there was really a need for this, this way to collaborate and talk to other institutions using WordPress. Have you ever used iThem security plugin? Yeah, it's still called our themes, right? That was actually made in higher education. So a lot of actually some great WordPress plugins have come out of higher ed and built by people in higher ed. I'm not going to sit here and read all these institutions. I really want to make this as a graphic example of all of these different institutions that use WordPress, you know, NYU uses it and Cornell, Harvard uses it. Obviously, Alabama uses it. And so we have just this huge group in our, you know, it just ranges from small to large. And it's a really great community to be a part of. And we really love it. So now I'll kind of dive more into how we're using it. I do I really think that higher education is a really great place where WordPress shines. They're basically, in higher education, we have every user base that pretty much WordPress with, you know, we're not just like a business or something like that. We have, you know, we have the users that are, you know, so the people that are just kind of using it to touch content. We have the developers, you know, we have the designers, we have the crazy plugin developers. But we also have people that, you know, with the opportunity to teach people, you know, using WordPress. So we do have this great kind of this great environment to really flex WordPress and use, you know, use it to its to its best. And so here's just kind of a few areas that were really it gets used a lot and shines. Multi site is huge. A lot of people use multi site and higher education to have blogging networks, faculty blogging networks, student blogs, things like that. Buddy press is used a lot for different kind of social networks and communities. And then the rest API is new. But I really think that higher education is a great place for it. Because like I mentioned, all those silos, basically, especially a place like UA was so large, there's everyone's managing their own website. So it's not on the same platform. But there's a need to share information, there's a need to share news releases across websites, there's a need to share events across websites, there's a need to share course catalogs, and there's a need to share all this information from department to department. But before I was like, you might could use an RSS fee, you know, and so now with the API, there's all kinds of crazy stuff that we can do to share across the silos and make sure the information gets around. Also to make sure it's not duplicated, because like basically right now, because there's no way to get it around easily, people copy and paste and pull over the place. Oops, sorry. And then you have horrible outdated information, because somebody copied and pasted a policy over here, and change it over here and stuff like that. Oh, multi site is basically where you can have one work, one one WordPress install, but you can have multiple sites. So they share the same code, they share the same plugins and things, but they have like one admin. And so you have like, you can basically do subdomains, or you can do subdirectories. And so that's used a lot. Yeah. So like our third example, I'm student affairs, and so our main site, it's a multi site. And so sa.ua.edu is our main site. But then we have our departments in our division, our subdomain on that. Do they all have to use the same thing? You don't have to use the same thing on multi site. You don't have to. We do just because we all have the same template. But you don't have to. They're posing Collins to multi site. There are reasons to use it. And sometimes there's reasons not to. A lot of it depends on your internal governance. We actually did WP campus podcast on it a couple of weeks ago that I think points out a lot of those if you all want to go find that later if you're interested. They talk a lot about the reasons to and not to use it. But he presses a WordPress plugin that helps you set up like a social network on using WordPress. So I was going to show a few examples of multi site. It's really big in higher education. And so like UNW University of Mary Washington uses it. Sorry, take a simple quick. They have multi site with over 7000 blogs on it. 7000 websites using one WordPress install with over 10,000 users on it, which is crazy. And even bigger, University of British Columbia has over 10,000 sites and over 30,000 users on their multi site. And these are generally like blogs, like I said, they're generally anyone on campus who wants a blog or website hops on this publishing network and gets a website really quick. And they'll usually have like, for four themes to pick from. And they usually limit what plugins they can use, you know, they have to be vetted. And because you know, you're not going to put some crazy plugin on a one WordPress install managing 10,000 websites, unless you're crazy. NYU, it's like Calgary coding to the extreme. NYU has the same thing, 2000 sites on there. A lot of the higher ed use WordPress to do like news websites and stuff like that. So Berkeley does. I like to follow Chapman University. They do a lot of great work. They have this really great like social social media tracking plugin that basically basically does this goes goes out and checks how many times your news article is shared on Facebook and Twitter, pulls that in. And they like give scores to your content. So then like you can order content by a social score. And so like that way they put like the most popular article at the top of their page, things like that. It's called social metrics tracker. And so that's pretty cool. In Washington State University, they do a lot of great WordPress work. All of their work is on GitHub, which is really great. All their work is open source. Have you ever interacted with Jeremy Felt online? He's really great. He's really big in the multi site. So I don't have the rest API examples. I put this in here as a way to talk about it. I've already talked about a little bit, but I really think the higher ed, like I said, is a great use case for the API and how it can be shared and used on network. And so I look forward to that fully being in core and more plugins becoming available and things like that. I think it'll be really great. And so then look out for that. And maybe how you could use that at your university. Another big thing in higher education is accessibility. I just want to touch on this for like two seconds. I'm a big advocate for accessibility. Basically, if you're not familiar with that, I'll come back to the Stevie Wonder accessibility is basically the practice of removing barriers from your website so that everyone can access your website no matter their disability. And on a day to day, what you probably learn the most about is like adding all attributes to your images and things like that. So that way people that it's basically people that have vision problems that are navigating your site, if there's content that's not text, it can be read to them. And so that's kind of like a base thing. But in higher education, especially if you're a public institution and you receive federal funding, you're required by law for your website to be accessible. And so accessibility is really big. It's talked about a lot in higher education. And I kind of hope that it'll continue to kind of move outside higher ed. And I in the US government is actually kind of starting to make rules for businesses to be accessible. There's something going on right now that like by 2018, a lot of businesses will have their websites who have to be accessible. So it's going to start being talked about more and more. I was actually doing that very much research the day because someone asked me about online banking accessibility. And that's how I found all this stuff. And so definitely check it out. Basically, just means setting up your site so that everyone can consume your content. You might as well ask me a question. Yeah. So you have 60 sites in your portfolio. How do you audit accessibility across all 60 sites? So tool we use a bunch of tools. So there's there's not to be able I actually gave a whole the presentation on that last one, but we use something called site improve, which is a really great tool. It's not free, but it's totally worth it. If you have a site, put it in there. Yeah, it's really good. We use that. There's also a bunch of manual tools that you can use. There's a bunch of in browser tools that you can use. They're really great. I would look up how we PA 111. Accessibility, hashtag is a 111. How is that? How is great. HTML codes never is great. And they offer a bunch of browser tools. So I would definitely check that out and do some quick testing. A lot of good accessibility is just good markup. So if your site is written well, then a lot of it's covered to make these tools to kind of get the other 20% of the way. So whether you're in here because you're in higher ed or you're interested in getting into higher ed into your agency, and you're curious about how you put in the door to look with institutions, a lot of institutions, you know, hire out their web work. You know, not everyone has web developers on campus. So there are a lot of agencies that work with work in higher ed to help them. Obviously, there's also plug-in developers and things like that. You know, excuse me. There's lots of needs and use cases in higher ed that aren't being met. It couldn't be met with like a WordPress plug-in or something like that. So I was just going to kind of use these slides as just chatting with some of them and kind of showing some of the ways that people are using WordPress in higher ed. So obviously, there's like institutional websites and department division websites, there's a plethora of websites and institutions. Everyone needs a website, apparently. And so everyone gets a website, multiple microsites, things like that, obviously. Employee directories are huge. I can't tell you how many employee directories that I've built since I started an higher education probably at this point, four or five. And I don't know why I haven't just made one of them into a plug-in, but they're crazy and I love them. The more we can filter them, the better. Online versions of magazines are big and those kind of, those needs are kind of being that people in higher ed still love their front pieces. They still love their magazines, like their alumni magazines, because I guess a lot of their alumni. I have to tell them that I'll hang on a couple more years and then maybe start buying out as they're so expensive and they're finally realizing no one reads them. They'll stay on much longer than hangs on, but they are kind of catching on to digitizing them, putting them online to that way. They're slowly making the transition. Like we said, athletes, intervals are big. Internets are big. Some people use buddy press to make internet, things like that. I've seen a few examples of that. University of Florida Health, their internet is working for us. I saw a great presentation. They're going to get a chance to chat with Jeff Stevens. He's really great. Digital signage. Basically, you know, the TVs that you see, a lot of restaurants have them that make ads on them. We have them all over our campus. Every building has one, every so many feet, it seems like. And they're really great because they cover a lot of needs, like emergency communication, things like that. You know, something horrible is happening or whether they can put a message on a screen that you can see in terms of work. But they're so they're, they cover a lot of needs and they have also messaging. I don't know of any word press plugins that will help you. I know that believe it or not, I was dabbling in this. There's a there's a digital signage theme. So if you're running multi site, theoretically, you could stand up a site, you could include your content across it, and it just pumps it to a white digital sign. Awesome. So somebody did it. It's free. So in the name. And now, but just Google it's the only one. I mean, like you said, there's just one. Yeah, that's why we use is horrible. Like it's horrible. You have a PC software run. It's so bad. So don't make a podium. That'd be great. And we'll get that going. Anyway, email newsletters. Really, you know, there's MailChimp and stuff like that. MailChimp can get expensive. And we're actually, I just purchased some software called Cindy, if you remember that. It's like it basically self hosted email newsletter software, because it's 60 bucks, and they use Amazon to send the emails. And so it's like a dollar for every like 40, it's dollars every 10,000 or whatever. So I mean, like, so because people are using MailChimp all across our division, and just crazy hundreds of dollars. And our vice president was like, we can't put an S send S C N D Y. It's so hard to sign. So it's on the server. The the mail editors, you know, it's not gonna be as nice as MailChimp's on DriveDrop, but it's job burn. It has reports and stuff like that. All I have to say is that while we ask, while there are services for things like emails, if it can be too expensive sometimes, higher education funding is just not that you don't have a lot of money for stuff like that. So you're looking to save money wherever and you know, and so email newsletters, people wrote their emails. I was in a meeting the other day where a bunch of people that send out emails all came together and realized just how many ridiculous amounts of emails we were all sending, maybe you should try to combine and get that down. So they love that campus now some virtual tours, things like that. That's kind of that's big and higher patients people want to see your campus. I don't know anything that exists for that inside the workplace. What kind of help with that? And I don't even know what you would do, but it's kind of yeah. So yeah, there you go. That would be cool. Any kind of classes communication messaging. I've once built an access control bus system. Basically, you know, our patient had tons of buildings and you have to kind of get the request access to them, especially if it's in a building with research labs, because you know, and so like a system that lets you have basically a workflow, you go in your request access to a room and it goes through a process. And so stuff like that seems a lot. Security is big. Basically, there's a lot of kind of a stigma around workplace and security and arbitration. And really, the problem is, is that people want websites, they don't realize what it takes to manage a website, they get a website set up, and then they realize how hard it is they give up after a month. And then there's like this website abandoned and sitting out on the campus internet for two years and then it gets hacked because it hasn't been up age in two years. And so that happens a lot. And then you get people going, oh, where is this secure? And it's like, well, no, no website is secure hasn't been touched in two years. And so security is a big thing that's helped about a lot. Basically, displaying research data stuff like that, digital asset management, we were having a good chat about this the other day that if there were basically the need for like a really good way to just kind of use workplace as a digital media library. So that way you can kind of share. So kind of sharing the content across websites, it's really great to be able to share like digital media across websites and stuff like that. I think there's a couple of plugins out there to do. And so stuff like that, social networks, so by using buddy press, things like that. And then a lot of like learning management. So like using WordPress is learning management system. And so like virtual classrooms and online textbooks and there's like this whole, you know, this whole kind of world of ways to use WordPress and higher ed that's not really being used anywhere else. e-portfolios, a lot of single sign on with these crazy like, how education in a banner system or stuff like that. I would plug in that this word for single sign on with a cast server or anyone has a cast server. Let's check it out. And so there's always crazy, you know, really cool the ways that people are using WordPress to help in higher education. I'm writing one now that helps us with policy management. Because like I mentioned earlier, we just have a crazy problem with people copying and pasting policies. So they want like a snippet on their website. And so it's like I'm setting up, you know, the API so that they can just pull the policy on their website that's updated from one place. And it's not being copied and pasted everywhere. We're having this problem where, you know, we had a problem with like RSTA because they didn't update the, or no, they had like every old policy on their website that was Google, Google. And someone found an old one. They didn't have any data. It's just a PDF they found. And, and they got control because they had it updated but no one knew. Crazy stuff. People love PDFs in higher ed too, that's why I keep thinking about it. They want to freeze their work for a while. For some reason, at some point, someone in higher ed got it in their mind that if it's in a PDF, they can't copy and paste it. This is true story. The true story. We had to, we were basically trying to tell this guy policy and it needs to be, it needs to be, you know, let's just make it HTML. It's not accessible. So it's illegal. And, but he got it in his mind that if it was in a PDF, then people couldn't copy and paste it. And I'm like, well, hey, you don't have to do it in my balls. And I'm like, but like, but also that's the opposite of accessibility because they can't copy and paste it and they probably can't read it. A screen reader can't read it. Things like that. It's just, it's, it's crazy. The things that people believe, some, some factors believe. So you set up all these leads in case it needs a work press yourself? Like, do I use them? Or did like, did you set up like registration of student pages, company them, staff director? I've done a lot of these things. Too much just one person handle it. You have lots of job security in our education. I haven't done all of these things. I've done a lot of them. So kind of like what I was touching on earlier, though, is that there's such a great community that a lot of people, maybe somebody else wanted to build it for their site and then share it with us and then we use it on their site and the kind of working together attitude. That's what we're kind of writing for. And so I share all these to kind of share with people about these needs that exist, especially if there's people out there that are probably developers, they want to get involved. Are there any kind of higher end communities or, or even? Yeah, so that's what Adobe Canvas is. So that's what Adobe Canvas is. It's a kind of, it's just a community. We have a conference this summer. We just started in the fall. And so we're pretty new. But we do, we started podcasts a few weeks back. That's every Wednesday at noon Eastern. And we have lots of plans for that. And we have lots of plans for, like, written informational lines. There's also, there's been lots of digital, like webinars and stuff, and there's been a lot of white papers and surveys and stuff. So it's in the works. It's just, it's coming. It's within the conference this summer. So yeah, it's a growing initiative. We've got lots of big ideas. And with Daven International, we have people in Europe that are taking part. It also folks in Canada. They even have some folks in Africa, which is pretty cool. So basically right now our main place is Slack and we chat a lot. But there's, there's really cool chats there every day where people just come in and ask questions. You said you're the only person that managed to stop the website? No, that would be insane. No, that wouldn't be impossible. No, I just did the division of student affairs. It's still huge. It's still too much for one person. But no, you're not doing the entire university that would just be, I wouldn't have made it five years. There's no way. There's no way. Some universities have really, I mean, they're small, like Sanford is small compared to UAA. They have like three people that do all the lab for campus. They're like, maybe five out of the students. Can I follow that up? Because you and I share a commonality in that we're a very large university, right? So we're 50,000 students, right? So just so folks that aren't familiar with that environment, what happens is you'll have a division of student affairs that might fund what they call a webmaster, right? One single role. And so like it's kind of cool, like I said, we're all George, the bunch of us George, and Hillary doesn't know I'm about to say her name, but Hillary is the webmaster for the College of Education. She is one person, right? So she manages 20, 40 sites, 40 sites these days? 48, 48 sites. So she shares that commonality. So if you're not used to these large enterprises, there's sometimes a centralized group that provides a lot of, you have some initial resources and component, at least we did that at Georgia State. And that's my small team. And then you move down to these college and units that might have that one person who runs multiple sites. Exactly. So it's not uncommon for that to occur. Some colleges that you regularly have a web person. Yeah. How about if the education is not how to work? That happens a lot. I mean, kind of sad, a lot of universities, they don't invest a lot in the web that much as they should. Some people just don't realize the importance of it that others do. Some do. It's not the same that every institution. So like, please write a lot of places, what really happened is there's a core webcom office or something. We don't really have a core one. But they generally will do it at the main homepage. Like UVA.edu, there's a team of people that do that. And then it's kind of, it's kind of up to, but what it hires to organize is that usually there's divisions. And then there's colleges. And so basically it's kind of usually up to the division of the college to find funding for their web roles. Some people centrally fund. It really depends on the size of the university and how much they care about the web. Are they not centrally funded? But I think that like Vanderbilt is, I know the people that do look at Vanderbilt, they use WordPress. They're centrally funded. You know, Lacey, she's awesome. So it depends on the university. And so just kind of some stuff that interests people that we talk about a lot. We're talking about WordPress as an LMS on our podcast next week. I'm not choosing LMS. So I'm really interested in that talk. Does anybody here use WordPress as an LMS? I know what's the one. I think it's going a lot that particular. Faculty are learning how to use WordPress and that they're wanting to set it up. And so it's kind of growing more and more. So some of this is kind of duplicate. Yeah, it's like, I wish them more universities would just kind of invest in such a little bit of like web education. That's what I want to do at UA. But it's having some trouble with but just like having general web education classes, like anyone on campus who wants to come can come. Students, faculty, anybody. We're going to come to this room every Thursday and we're going to have a WordPress 101 class. And then every Thursday we'll be over here and talk about something else. And just having that, like I mentioned earlier, what happens is you have basically where these websites are kind of like a better word dumped off on people that are not trained to use the web. Call their job. They just, someone's got to do it and their boss picked them. And so they're kind of, it's not a sort of loan, but it's like, can you imagine if you were not a web person and all of a sudden someone was like, here, have WordPress. And it's not that it's hard to learn WordPress, but there's so much more than just managing work. I mean, you go in there and change work to get all of them what you want. But you don't have to write content in front of a web. You know what accessibility means when you're writing your content. You know not to use things like click here. You know there's stuff like that. I mean, who's teaching that? And so I work part kind of one of the WP campus initiatives to kind of help school students do more of that. And to help with that. And especially with students so that we can kind of help teach the younger crowd what they may not necessarily have another option. We can help them learn all work for us. It's more than nothing. And so that's kind of something that we hope to do. And we actually have a lot of action so far of people that are really interested in doing stuff like that. And so I'm excited about that. So, kind of repeating this a lot. Scalability is big. And people talk about that a lot. And so just kind of being a good administrator. One of our WP campus topics emissions, the title is literally just like how to be a good WordPress administrator. So what you can handle and interact with all these people on campus who never touch WordPress and never touch the web. And all of a sudden you're their go-to and you're their resource that they can do their job. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's perfect because that was the last slide of just kind of you can learn more about WP campus. You want to get involved with the form that you fill out and we invite you to our Slack and we'd love to have you join us whether you're in higher education or not. We have a lot of people in there that really help out and we check out all kinds of stuff. And so any questions? So since you made sure to do administrative, like people that aren't so trained on WordPress and they're cutting the pace of the Microsoft Word. Really like the best thing that I do is just talk to them in this case of like customer service. I mean just knowing that I'm available if they have questions. And I tell them, I sit down each person and I basically talk about how bad it is to copy and paste your media because they do a lot. And we cover that. Also as a backup, we have tools that we use that's like site approved that scan our websites and they find stuff like that. And so I get reports. So that way I can go back in and fix it. And then tell them why this wasn't bad. And you know, and so basically because I'm a one man team, I can't watch every page. I mean 16 websites, you know, I can't sit there and monitor everything. And so what I do is I invest in tools that monitor for me. And so there's also plug-ins out there that will help with some of this stuff. I use Slack a lot. And so I want to plug in call about the Slack bot. That sends notifications in a Slack when anything happens inside WordPress. And basically so it kind of, I don't really go like follow up on these notifications, but it lets you know that people are in there and they're working. So I know that someone's supposed to be working on their website today. I can see. And I can be like I didn't get any notifications from Sally today. She was not in work. I mean, so I'm kind of spying on her a little bit, but I mean it's my job to watch. It's my job to watch every these websites. And so stuff like that can really help. But then stuff like Site and Brew scans my websites every five days and sends me a report. So I can go in there. It tells me private links, and then I can set policies. So I can be notified anytime someone actually, I know there's a policy saying I don't want people to use a brace clip here. So I get a report every time it happens. So I can go fix it. And then but then also like I can give those reports to the user so that they can go in and fix their problems. The ones that they can fix. And also does accessibility and SNO and stuff like that. But there are lots of other tools that help that will go and crawl into sites and give you information. So I pretty much have to use stuff like that because I can't do it all. I can't. I don't, I'm in this setup. I don't really, I'm not a marketing person. I believe we have a marketing, student marketing person that watches analytics. But so, so yeah, basically tools. I mean, you got to invest in some of these tools. I need some analytics to tell them why I'm not going to update the case that has been looked at in my office. Yeah. So that helps me convince them why we're doing what we're doing. Yeah, so yeah, we can have 40 other sessions on how to use Google Analytics to update your site and to control your data. There are some plugins that will help you. Something that I do use is something that basically lets me know content hasn't been touched in so long. So the page hasn't been edited in six months. I can go to the person and say, hey, I need you to look this over. Make sure it's built today. It's still wearing, you know, or whatever. And then if it's fine, then just a fine button, you know, but otherwise fix it, you know. And so that's helpful too, because, because these people, they don't, it's not their job, it's not their main job and they don't really, I don't really care, you know, about the website all that much. Some do, some don't. And so, you know, they, they'll edit the site and then move on to what they care about and then, you know, we'll look at the site in six months. And all of a sudden, there's wrong information. And so stuff like that, those tools can be really helpful. Keep, help keep eye on your stuff. Any other questions? I still have stickers, they might want a sticker. I have these little big Dopey Canvas stickers. And then I have Wapus. We have a higher education Wapu. It's adorable, you can see them right there. And so, and I have pens. Your Dopey Canvas pens, should come from a lanyard. So show some, show some high-end support. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.