 Alright. Okay. Welcome back to Spoonsville. Today we're covering the virgin suicides that we show up over there. Right here. And Kristen Dutz. Kristen. Sophia Coppola. Was it, was it 28-year-old Sophia Coppola? Yeah, written and directed. Well, it's based off of a book. Right. Don't remember when that came out. Which? What would you call it? A young, or youth drama? I don't know. I don't know what you call it. I don't know. It's a drama. It's a drama. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Just, it's a drama. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It takes place in kind of a affluent suburban, kind of a classic part in the states that you see a lot of movies, portraits. Yeah. But you see the dark side of it. Is that the first Kristen Dutz movie you saw? I don't remember, baby. I really don't. Like, you're asking me these questions. First Kristen Dutz movie I saw with Spider-Man 1. I feel like we haven't said anything at this point. Oh, okay. You explain it. You're the note-taker. Okay. It follows a family of five daughters, where they had the husband and the wife and the five daughters. The youngest, I believe. I think it's the youngest commit suicide, falls on a fence. Okay, so let me try it. Let me try it. The first commit suicide. And you discover that the family is a very religious family. The parents are extremely strict. The the daughters have been in the same school for 10 years or something or more, but they don't go out. They're not allowed to go out. They're not allowed to socialize. And so there are boys next door who go to the same school that are obsessed with them and just are always looking out their window at what these girls are doing. And that's basically about the kind of access that they have to them. Because even at school, they hang out with each other. I think they're very well aware of the fact that the parents don't want them to socialize. So I guess the kind of oppression that exists within the home is that good that even outside of the home, the girls are not are not defiant. They're kind of like celebrities. You know how you how people can tend to get obsessed with certain celebrities, idolize them and fantasize about them. They are kind of like that. Yeah. They have that mystique to that mystery, I think. And that that gets people in high school because everyone's in everyone's business. But if they're happening to people that no one really knows much about, it creates this. Everyone loves a mystery. Mystifies the people. Yeah. And it kind of makes them a little, I think, super human because everyone else in high school, you realize, oh, well, you know, you can't take that person too seriously because a couple grades ago, they embarrassed themselves by getting too drunk and doing something silly. But these people, we don't know any dirt on them. So it's kind of like, you know, so they give them this. And maybe that's part of the movie is that it shows how how much you can hide drama and trauma and issues in a household. How much of it because you only really see, you know, if you do visit, you know, the one character visits to to at one point get closer to the oldest daughter and they're regular enough. They're watching tv, regular in a family. They're eating snacks and things like that. It's awkward. It's a little like quiet. But other families are like that. So you can never really, that's the whole thing behind closed doors, all the goings on. So I think that's probably part of it. Yeah. I feel like this is a story of codependency and childhood emotional neglect or being raised by emotionally neglectful parents. Right. The parents are extremely emotionally immature when the dad shows it in certain ways, like when her daughter dies, the priest goes to visit and he's just watching a game and he's like, oh, let's look at that. And the priest wants to talk to him about the passing of his daughter and he just doesn't want to talk about it. He doesn't want to talk about any kind of anything that's sad. Yeah. He, I remember walks past the girl's bedroom trying to thinking about, should I go in to talk to the girls or maybe he wanted to check in on them and see how they are after their sister committed suicide, but he doesn't actually go and take it any further. Just because you're soft and sweet doesn't mean that you're emotionally mature and so emotional neglect. Unhealthy family systems. Yeah, unhealthy family systems. You see that much more with the mom because she has much more of authority in the family. And so she wants the kids to assume the kind of character or persona that she believes a good girl is supposed to be. And that's where I think that codependency stuff comes in where your your parent wants you to be an extension of yourself and doesn't feel threatened by the notion of you becoming an individual who they may not be able to interact with. They might start to change. They might not relate to them in the same way. They won't be able to control. They might have to make mistakes on their own and get into trouble and have to learn things the hard way or you know. They don't interact with their kids on an emotional level and they invalidate their kids. Yeah. Well in their minds love for them is trying to do the best for them. So it's things like punishing them in harsh ways because really in the long term it's good for them. Like getting their one daughter to burn all her music because to punish her for staying past curfew is pretty severe. But in their mind no this is tough love but it's still love and this is the right kind of love. And so we do care for you clearly. Yeah. But it's really unhealthy for their to do the kids. If I the rating I probably will give a movie. I don't know. I'll say probably seven. I was thinking seven. Seven out of ten. Yeah. Because you also reminded me of some things I did like but like I did like overall I liked it. I think like you said it maybe could have hit home a little bit you know more but then it's also chose a certain perspective. For me I liked so the lack of character development for me I felt I was kind of okay with in the end because it was the movie the way that it was done like that mystification of the family was done in a way that allowed me the viewer to put the pieces pieces together and to work out what could have happened because which is what the the boys were trying to do. Exactly. So if we knew a lot about the daughters especially it would kind of defeat the purpose of us also trying to figure out like everyone else in the movie what was this family like what were they actually like what was their motive why why did they do this. Yeah it's very obvious that people are obsessed with these girls and so if you grow up in a family like that where it's extremely strict but you're getting so much attention out there and you don't know how to process that and you're not allowed to to actually engage it or no one explains things to you that must be incredibly difficult. You're never really allowed to grow emotionally in that kind of environment and so for me as I'm assessing the characters if these characters were real parents I would be I would I feel like I would absolutely dislike them. Yeah. That stuff that's trauma this is a story about trauma. Yeah. Trauma is not just about getting beaten up. No. Yeah. I like the scene where they do agree to the parents agree to let the daughters go with four boys to the homecoming dance and they get in the car and it's interesting because the girls are actually all very chatty with each other but they're all you know they're driving by and they're judging all the neighbors places. They sound like 50 year old women who have nothing better to do. They probably pick that up from maybe their parents or when their parents I don't know the few maybe relatives that came by. But they don't sound like teenagers. They don't sound like teenagers and that's all they really have to probably do as well with each other right. The few times maybe from what they can see they're out they're always just in their room together so all they could really talk about that they can see is you know their neighbors lawns and then their houses and everything. Yeah. So and I think the hardest part about situations like that is because you're not getting beaten up you can't really say you went through whatever kind of trauma so it really sucks you go through life having this feeling that you were robbed of something you know something is missing or also maybe you don't really kind of know how to navigate life properly because I cannot imagine how these girls if they did live how they would have navigated life. Yeah. Because they have they haven't lived in the world. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're going to have kids but you feel like you want to raise them outside of the mainstream then explain to the kids why we're doing things differently. Yeah. But you know you're going to come across this because we are still letting you go to school interacting with the rest of the people around us so these are kind of why in case things are confusing why they're different from what we do at home. Got to explain because otherwise kids are going to be that that level of confusion is really going to it's either going to cause it a rift with the relationship with the parents which then defeats the purpose of the parents wanting to keep such a tight knit family. Yeah. Yeah. The more you squeeze the more you try and control right the more it pushes people away. But yeah it's just explain or if you're really going to try and live very different from the mainstream then get a place way out in the woods somewhere. Home school. Home school. You know just survival tactics and then just kind of do you know like a Mr. Fantastic do that. Although even in that movie you can see that once they start interacting again in the mainstream it causes confusion. It's tough. It's tough. That's why I just explain communicate with your kids about the world. The world is confusing. Try your best to talk about it. Yeah. I was thinking of something. I lost my train of thought. Damn. There's so many things actually that I'm finding in this movie. We got to wrap it up. No we're not wrapping it up. Things I liked. I like the music. I'm guessing it probably is supposed to take place in the 70s sometime. They're playing a lot of heart. A lot of classic rock. Some good use of that. I liked heart when they were making out in the car. Air. One of my favorite bands I love. Great use of air. Young person dance. Young Hayden Christensen. That was a nice surprise. Young Josh Hartnett. Young Josh Hartnett. Got to see Hayden before you know his more well-known role in life as a house and then Shattered Glass. Yeah. You know the I don't know. We can flashbacks. It's going to be series. Make it happen. I don't know. That movie actually gave me a lot more to reflect on than I thought when I saw it after watching it. I felt like we were like what do you think? It's kind of lukewarm. Yeah. But now that I talk about it it brings up a lot of good things. Probably put it like a 7.5 maybe. Oh yeah. I think it's because there is good stuff in it. I think it's just still at the end though. It's kind of like hmm yeah you know. I like the end party scene where you know there was a bunch of toxic toxins that get into the water system and then that causes all the rich suburb people to go oh no everything's you know all the water supplies really smelly smells of I can't remember some chemical but then they have a party a fancy party and then the theme of it is they're all wearing gas masks and everything which you know I thought was a very poor taste because looks the person does. Gas inhalation and so yeah it's one of those things where it shows again how once it kind of passes beyond recent memory for some people they just want to make it this kind of morbid kind of oh that would be kind of someone probably suggested it as like a off-color joke and they're like why don't we have a party that's the theme you know and then that's how people just move on. I think it was reminiscent of real life honestly because that happens all the time. People kill themselves and oh it's a shock and then you move on with your lives yeah like one of the people at the party that they throw at the end was like oh I'm a teenager I have problems yeah which there are people who think that way which irritates me so much. I always wonder why how an adult can get to a point of mocking adolescents is it because they were privileged enough to come from a family that truly genuinely loves you and they can't understand that kind of you know interagony that some go through. But at the same time I feel like if you did come a full functional healthy family that loved you I don't know I feel like you would be more sensitive to people's troubles even if you didn't explain experience them yourself. I don't know. Depends on the person. It kind of depends of course on the person but yeah I feel the movie depicted adolescents quite well to be honest uh the awkward dance the awkward dance the being horny is that can you say that on YouTube? Sure. Gonna get demonetized. The hankering for male female interaction or male to male interaction depending on what you're into um Lux is particularly you know hungry and uh and yeah several times she on the roof don't know how she pulled that off without working. Yeah she just gets once she gets a taste the feelings the deep feelings of adolescents where you feel like every single thing like the tiniest feeling is or the tiniest experience is just magnified it's like momentous and it's a lot of new stuff all at once yeah you get the first time could be the first time uh yeah like having a crush or or dating or those kind of a lot of firsts in relationships a lot of firsts maybe with bullying or being you know shunned or being or being seen and with a lot more attention or it's a lot of you know you develop bodies whatever that kind of thing it's a lot of firsts so it's overwhelming if your parent was always emotionally available and always validated your feelings you'd be checked in a lot more frequently exactly you would pursue them and tell them about what's going on in your life and so for people to say that to mock adolescents like that it's trillish yeah just remembering that god high school was rough yeah liking people not being liked going out needing to go out not feeling like if you didn't the lock you didn't quite you know you gotta do the whole thing over again and get the lock the first like 20 times you got to try and remember your lock combination if you don't you got to break it in so if you don't quite hit it right on the right tick there then it wasn't open going back to it now when you get good at the locks then they're fun you can do it without even you can talk to people you can be on your phone you it's like you're breaking into your professional piece that's enough from the locks I don't know what else to say yeah that's it I this was apparently Sofia Coppola's first movie I don't know if it was her first movie but she was young so maybe she did another short film or something maybe okay so or 26 my first it's probably her first so I would say that's why I give her an yeah that's fair yeah I'll go over seven you give her an eight you said we're bumping it up two at eight I didn't say that did not say that watch the footage okay five so seven point five between us okay that's solid that's pretty solid seven point five yeah so thank you thank you thank you Sofia Coppola thank you everyone for watching yeah you guys out here out there and so if you're watching thank you yeah for watching Sofia all right so that's what we felt what do you guys have you seen the virgin suicides hopefully you have yeah let us know what you think I'm interested to yeah to hear about what talk about let us know about any movies you saw in the comments doesn't that be virgin suicide related okay that's it let's give a comment let's say goodbye bye straight