 It's so stupid it's positively brilliant The brilliant is podcast shawlamina got Andrew Schultz We have two special guests in the building host of the get your popcorn ready Yes, sir. I'm gonna say Matthew hatchet first. Just out of respect as well. You should Okay, let's get your popcorn ready. Yes with hatch and to We're talking about the Romo Situation I asked to earlier it was Romo about a quarterback our announcer because you know when you when you're sitting there You like if he can see what the if he knows what's going on Why didn't he know that when he was a player and you just explained it perfectly? Yeah, do I need to explain? Well, what I said is like, okay If he like said for him to be the quarterback that he that he was yeah And so to to sit now where he sits in the seat of announcing games, you know dissecting, you know plays before they happen Again, he doesn't have any pressure Right after him, you know in a booth as he does on the football field So you don't have those innate abilities to escape. You know, I mean right both like you do on the field Right, you get I'm saying so most quarterbacks what you're saying or a lot of quarterbacks know what's gonna happen But it's different when you got a guy 260 pounds running at you and you have two seconds to do it Absolutely, right, right, right. So he's not so elite Maybe a call in the game like if you brought another quarterback who had played the position for just as long He could probably predict the same place. I think well I don't even know if he's there still Between between Troy Aikman and Tony Romo. Yeah, Troy Aikman has won Super Bowls Right Tony has really won anything and that's that was a knock on him is that he couldn't win the big game Okay, can we can we I have a question because I People here and then they're like, oh, he's hating this not yet. No, I'm not hating on I cried for the guy Like, you know in the locker room like saying we're in a locker room. You're a brotherhood. That's I Rided I died, you know cried for my dude, right? I thought the questions at that time was unfair and if they're clear so everybody bring everybody up to speed is We got into the playoffs. He was dating Jessica Simpson at the time We had a week before playoff start and they went to like cancun or Kabul some of him and Jason Witton and everybody else and then everybody's like, oh, well, he's not focused You know, then we came back and we lost the game So we got now we got press press conference, you know, and they tried to blame it on That was his trip was the why we lost the what'd you do that way? Nothing. That has nothing to do with me Yeah, I I had it. I think I had a high ankle sprain. So I was getting treatment I always heard yeah, bro You're hurting the big moments but your credit you didn't play but I can't I came through in a bit almost to You know, whereas you asked me about the big nab situation, you know When I was in the hyperbaric chamber getting treatment around the clock little did I know he's out the night before the game Getting boozed up this and I know then I'm saying we're in the game and then he gets sick So you're losing we end up losing you're saying they're getting sickers from the booze He was hung over 23 24 21 we end up losing losing a Super Bowl So did everybody was like but I never the thing is I was so I was so I had two screws and a plate in my in my ankle So my focus was honestly you weren't able to play right? Yeah, so my focus was so unreal Getting ready and being prepared for the game So I had no idea till a lot a week later that he had thrown up in the huddle Fraley who's I center at the time and Freddie Mitchell They're the ones I think kind of acknowledged or you know There was a first ones to mention that he had gotten sick and huddle I did an interview I was in Miami some reporter what have you and so he asked me about the incident I said and my response was I said if anybody should have been out of shape It should have been me because I hadn't played in like about a month and a half Yeah, so I never said anything about him being sick in the huddle or him throwing up in huddle But with my response it came out the next week all Terrell's criticizing Donovan. He said he threw up in the huddle. He was out of shape business I never said you actually just said Donna McNabb got drunk the night before the Super Bowl I said that's why I was up. Yeah. Yeah, but I said I didn't know this is what it was the soup Like said everybody has criticized me and said that I broke up the team and he just recently come on said Oh, I thought I prevented them from getting you know to the Super Bowl or making a Super Bowl run Then that the following year when the year of the Super Bowl two weeks prior to the Super Bowl They were asking him you know about my availability, you know for the Super Bowl He was basically saying that he didn't need me they didn't need me We got to the Super Bowl without to you because they played those two playoff games without me So then so why would you now come on say? Oh, I prevented you from Super Bowl the second the next year when you just said you didn't really need me. Mm-hmm I brought a lot of swag a lot of energy a lot of professionalism a lot of big plays to Philadelphia when I came over From San Francisco, and I think that kind of energizing that kind of Stuck with the team and that kind of flowed through the through the season if they roll They wrote that energy that I brought question to the playoffs You know for both of y'all because both of y'all play football the night before a big game Shouldn't play us protect each other from like going out and getting drunk I'll get a high of being a little women like yeah, but you would think especially that How he's regarded to be a pro consummate pro professional, you know He's a quarterback captain of the team. You would think that he would be the guy To make sure that that those things. Yeah Good locker rooms usually they do right good locker room all the veterans are making sure the younger guys are in By a certain time or like I said, there's no reason to go out because we're here for one goal When you have like a younger team or like younger leaders, then they think that's what it's about But most of the time most good teams do have a good locker room They kind of you know kind of police themselves What if it was nerves though like the night before a big game? Do you got to go out and try to do something to take the edge off? You do the exact same thing you should do the exact same thing you've been doing all year But if you win no one cares right like you know Michael Jordan's out gambling so like 4 a.m. He was a freak of nature Jordan could do that Jordan and Donovan in the same You can't you can't you can't be in that conversation neither Okay, okay, let's look at let's try to tell him the same thing he's not MJ and Kobe will obviously Kobe rest in peace, but like MJ and Kobe they're doing different things that they transcended the sport Right, so I didn't transcend what I did as a receiver I'll give you that but just don't know this I will say this about receivers I think that receivers are the most dynamic position I think it's I think it's the most dynamic Athletes in sports. I also think it's the least effective position in helping your team win I would never pay a wide receiver. I think a word you've said is okay Okay position in terms of helping your team win. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, okay So I just don't know an elite receiver that's won a Super Bowl in the last decade I Say that I'm an elite receiver You are no doubt an elite receiver So if Donovan wasn't getting didn't get sick in a Super Bowl, we would have won if he wasn't drunk So to your point to discount your point that you didn't see you've never seen an elite receiver win a Super Bowl No, no in the last decade The last one I can remember is Marvin Harrison and do you guys remember the he wasn't that's not if he's not elite That's not the top ten ever to play And again, so I see what I see what you're saying Let me let me finish the point though. The point is because the game is not in your control, right? Okay, so you guys can be as great as you want to be okay, but you catch the ball eight times a game That's an amazing game right only eight possessions you affect the game You're not really blocking you are blocking on every single place. So don't say that ever again Sometimes we are but go ahead. Okay, so you're not truly affecting the outcome of the game as much as other position play For example offensive defensive line like those the only people I would pay offensive defensive line quarterback Maybe I don't even think you got to be that good. You're gonna pay the offensive defense line. You pay the a defensive line I'm all for them. They're underpaid I mean defensive line they're grossly underpaid and it's their fault you guys are exciting You guys sell the tickets and the people who sell the tickets get money. Don't get me wrong The one hand it catches OBJ. I don't know if OBJ ever gonna win a Super Bowl Okay, so what you're saying is right? There's 11 players on the field, right? Yeah, you take those two or three receivers top three receivers if you take them out and just put in regular dudes Yeah, what do you do when it's third and seven? What do you do when it's third and 11? What are you doing the last two minutes of a game because if those receivers are not getting open? You don't you don't have one right now because you're not as good as a receiver. Let's just say he's blocking No Block every position Offensive lineman and a receiver so how's the tight end gonna be factored into this equation which he's trying to explain to you But no, let's just say he's not in this equation, right? He's blocking because you have to be blocked up. We need max protection cuz our quarterbacks getting beat up Let's say right. Okay, so you only have three receivers We can go for receivers right if those guys aren't catching the ball How are you advancing the ball down the field? I throw a screen that doesn't work. Come on now Only Not in that moment that hatches just explain that imagine you just explain they are There's 15 to 23rd downs in the game right you're gonna have two two minute situations in every game So you're talking about out of all of those plays you take out the receivers you cannot advance the ball and how many times You can have receivers. They just don't have to be that good But what if they don't catch it because you know what guys who are average that play receiver They don't catch the ball number one. I can't they catch the ball This is easy to catch You see why the New England Patriots suffered Just for the the coming rings. They said we're doing we're talking to stay on course. Look at those They're wide receivers West Welker is five to stay on course. He should be working to keep their health Statement that's a dude. Why did it? Why did the Patriots suffered this year? Because they didn't have a receiver or a tight end to get open that was his frustration now You know your point you make a good point I'm just telling now that one year when the when they the Patriots had the arguably the greatest wide receiver What do they end up doing at the end of the season? Receivers don't help you When they use in the right way Why wouldn't they why didn't they win the Super Bowl? So you think it's ready most for them? I'm not saying that but to his point You need you gonna need some dynamic all Left and so no to his point. It was a very not smart Conversation you're having because if you take linemen out, it's the same thing you take receivers out It's the same thing fit the quarter. It's all the same. You need 11 people football Right team It's an amazing sport because 99% of people watch it have no fucking clue what's going on. They're still entertained by it Right, I'm ignorant to what happens. I can't describe what a nickel deep and I can't do all this kind of stuff I don't know you should be having the conversation Oh, I can go off his data. He thinks he can have a bowl for y'all right now I can do heart surgery and then played one-on-one with J. Williams. He challenged J. Williams That's buckets though I want to see you try to cover to you Know you're now you're the second I can't say who's better. I know that you got analytics then you would know Okay, smart guy. I don't know his analytics. You know my analytics. I'm a dude. Okay, you're a dude There we go There are elite receivers and there are game changers. Yeah playmakers. Yeah, I'm one of I'm one of those two that I mentioned I'm a playmaker and I'm a game. What do you think is higher because me a lead is higher Do you think that you could catch a pass if I was defending you now Why are you even answering the question? Have you ever seen pros vs. Joes first of all you just like when that when we play I beat everyone first of all This is this is equivalent This is equivalent when we played when I was with the Niners I played the New York John. I won't even touch and they had Jason Seahorn. I'm not about a little white boy. Check me Jason Seahors a white boy. You got a white man right here Let's look alike Look at the line here's a thing I won't even check you at the line I'm playing football on the streets, bro. I didn't do this bougie This is interception. That's what that is right there The way he would because to us he's saying press and if a DB comes up and presses like this is a rat Yeah, you better get down here and have maybe have one out like this extend your elbow What like this look look like this I give you one little one inch But listen, here's it do you want me to press you at the line or no, that's on you what you want But here's the thing make it light on yourself Light on myself. Yeah, I like light on myself as I just shadow you because you can't beam your speed So there's there's no way He's already beat I wasn't known for speed anyway, I know that that's why I said it on a little guy Google me and see if I've ever been caught from behind Listen, that's your personal life bro, I don't want to get into that Oh, no, you know, don't you know what I wanted to ask you We didn't get a chance to talk during the interview. How did you feel about Andy Reed winning the Super Bowl? I was honestly, I was happy for him and for me like said playing in Philly And obviously the way the things went down, you know, me not being able to you know, continue on I got suspended a sec my my second year and then just the way our first year went Like I like that's what they brought me to Philadelphia to to help get them beyond The four NFC championships that they had been to prior and as I mentioned to you earlier earlier Some of the guys they can attach to Brian Westbrook and said it Brian Dawkins, those guys know I brought an energy over there I brought swag over there and that and that that took them through the playoffs when I had gotten hurt, you know Being dragged down for the for the horse caller And I was injured That energy that that I brought throughout the course of the season that propelled throughout the throughout the playoffs So for me like I felt like I let the city down, you know, because that's what I wanted You know, I mean I wanted to get get to the Super Bowl We played in the Super Bowl. I played with two screws and a plate in my ankle I thought they said you had a broke leg, which I did. I had a broken ankle No, I had two screws and a plate in my ankle. I didn't want a severely sprained ankle And my fibula was broken And so that the only thing that bothered me was the break So when I went out pregame or what have you, um, they tried to take my ankle up That was the worst thing to do because it hurt really bad. So I went back inside Talked to Rick Berger who's he's still with Andy won a Super Bowl. He's a head trainer for the for the chiefs as well And so I went in and I told him I said dude, I said my I said up by my knee I said it's the break. I said it's it's hurting really bad So what he did was he basically just took some tape because when you walk and you distribute your weight distribution Your bones naturally spread and so that's what was bothering me So they basically just put some tape around it that kind of eliminated it Eliminated some of the the the pain and so I was I was good to go And so again, I tried to do everything within my power I knew that I wasn't a hundred percent, but I gave it all that I had knowing that Prior to getting to Philly when I got to Philly how the fans embrace me going to Lehigh University Having 10,000 plus people that I practice every day That's what really made me want to really play in that Super Bowl Even though like I said, I even had to sign a waiver just to play in the Super Bowl So the waiver say so they wouldn't be liable because the doctor that performed my surgery He didn't medically clear me So I couldn't just be on the football field. Otherwise somebody was going to be liable So I had to sign that waiver in order to play in the Super Bowl I wasn't that important to you though because you had a future after that game So why was that so important if you realize that was the only Super Bowl I ever played in You know, so again, you know, everybody if you're the unlike the Patriots You're not going to get to the Super Bowl very often And so for me, I just felt like within my power Everything that I had done throughout the course of my career like I'm a man. I'm a God fear man I was raised in the church My grandmother always told me just put faith in him and you can do anything that you know You put your mind to and that was pretty much the premise of why I wanted to get back on the field It wasn't trying to outshine or anybody. I knew that if God gave me that ability And and the the trainers put everything that they did behind me to get on that football field and I could play Then that's what I was going to do Matthew. Let me ask you because I need I want an objective opinion on this Does that help or hurt a team? Right? Tio hasn't played in a while Comes back. He's not a hundred percent. They might have established a different type of chemistry. Yep. Yep Does that help her at that time it helps because that's your superstar Like when Kevin Durant came back right for that game that energy that's in the building that's in the city It definitely helps it helps every player especially the role players because again, don't forget they won two playoff games So the role player is like I've done my portion I raised my level up, but I might not be able to do it this third game Whoo, I'm glad I got my big brother back, you know, I'm saying so it definitely helps in all those scenarios And I would have thought that's what that was the approach that donovan would have taken With me being out, you know, those two playoff games, you know, he's been politically correct All his life, you know me but when it came to me for some odd reason, maybe he don't like you Like I said, that's what I took from it. That's what what is it against? What is it about me that you what do you think it was? If I don't know if you're gonna get mad at anybody Why not get mad at the media for asking you that question? But you've been politically correct every other answer Why not be politically correct when it came to me about, you know, whether I was going to play or not He could have found a number of ways to answer about me not, you know, being you know Not being available to play in the Super Bowl Why do you think he's starting to take a shot at you? Shot at you now. That's like last month last year a couple weeks ago Honestly, I don't know and so for me, like I said, I thought it was dead. I thought it was it was done I had I've seen him a few times After that we've played in Larry Fitzgerald softball Game on the team whatever I thought everything was cool But at the end of the day, like I said, you know, um, when you're trying to stay relevant for whatever reason Um, and as I mentioned to you earlier, I've never been in the off the field Had any off the field problems any issues for somebody for him The league the team guys have put him in such high regard Who's had the most off the field issues? How many do you guys have he had? How many how many how many meet sexual So that's what I'm saying. You call me dudes Yeah, he's on that list, bro. So again, really? I always like I said, bro I appreciate the question about accountability, bro I've always been accountable for what I've done and even when people have accused me of things that I haven't done I'm always going to defend my character And reputation the reputation is what people think of you and like for me and my character I'm proud of who I am. I'm proud of who my grandmother raised and so After all of that if I'm such the bad person that the media has portrayed me to be all the years You would think that it would translate or transfer to post football. So you and Donovan never had a meal together After he cursing me out in the huddle, bro, I I canceled all of that really You don't know we're teammates or whatever. I'm in the huddle and I don't throw you. I'm you're me. I'm I'm I'm done of it You come to me like T I was open on this play. We don't want no fucking suit So we don't work on this play We plan I think it was the the browns or the john I can't remember who it was But we ran this particular play. I'm number one in the progression The play worked to a T in practice. We didn't even have to tell that sometimes they'll scheme And tell the defense what to do, but we didn't have to do that just because the play was so potent Did it in practice number time did in the game and worked to a T Everybody knew the play was coming up. I ran the route ran to the sideline the defender bit I'm up the sideline. I'm wide open. He doesn't even throw the ball. So I before I even Before I even just judge anything I come back to the huddle because I didn't see what was going on. So I'm thinking, okay Maybe he got flushed out of the pocket or whatever the case may be Um, I just I said, dude, I was wide open because when I came out of my route What was your tone when you said that? That's the question no first exactly and I I'm glad you asked it my tone wasn't demonstrative Nothing, it was no different than any other time. I was like, dude, I said I was wide open It was just me talking to him no profanity. No nothing. No, dude. He looked at me and told me shut the fuck up After that bro, so I I could I chose I could have addressed it in the huddle But if we were during the game, I said, no, I'ma chill out. We came out on that series. I even asked my position coach I'm like, yo, I'm like, what happened on that? My coach looked at me with kind of like just bewildered He's like, I don't know. I said was he flushed out of pocket and he's like nothing So I after the game I went to my locker win locker room Um, I waited like said at this time like said, I know that the perception so I know people think oh, he's gonna, you know, he's Destroying the locker room. There's always something so I waited to the locker room cleared out It was a couple people in the in the in the area where we were getting dressed and Before he left left out of the area I just addressed him and I said look I said dude at the end of the day I said, I'm a man you a man I said I didn't come at you sideways or what have you all I said was I was open I said don't ever dress me like that again And so from that point on did I say something back to you right there though? Did he respond to like when you said that did he I can't remember what his response was but he looked at me addressed it or whatever But at that point I was like, bro, I I just didn't take the disrespect because if you look at it from a quarterback position Right when that happened if he would address it He should have been like well look something happened on that play which he was frustrated and he took out his Frustration on you during the moment right and I that would you would took that as an apology But you're saying that never happened that never happened But anything yes, I already asked the coaches what happened. They had a bird's-eye view. Yeah I mean what's there could have happened though, right exactly there But they're watching again. I know my my coach is not going to lie to me I asked him I said well what happened on the ride. He's like, I don't know I say well he first flushed out of the pocket and he said no There was no reason for him not to throw the ball And I was number one in progression. Maybe it weren't open. That's what I'm trying I'm talking to you Because I'm saying from the quarterback position I think you were locked up like I would lock your ass up on that same play probably You thought you were open to that Can we get the heckler and then I come You sound ridiculous dude I also want to say I'm just saying I'm right there Draped when we talk about Donovan McNabb, we said to me too. I don't I want to be clear about that It was a sexual sexually harassing a colleague. He sent a colleague a lewd text message I don't want people to think that he was Okay That's why I said put some sexual Some sexual misconduct Yes, not saying that's wrong, but I mean You guys have sent lewd text messages before You know why why is that about oh in the in the workplace? It's bad Yeah, yeah, right in the workplace and he's married Oh, I didn't know that I don't know what that is You can't do it. They're gonna you can't do that What you mean? You can't do it He's so good That ain't under the button Yeah, just under the button He's under the button That's just a real thing I'm just saying he's married Come on We're guys At the bro code Bro code Bro code too cussing me out No bro code is you gotta curse somebody out It is what it is Shut the fuck up is kind of appropriate I'm sure you told somebody shut the fuck up No, I was never I was a great team That's a thing Again, because of me to portray You would think that I would say something I would definitely think you would say something like that But I've never No Let's take a break from Schultz and T.O. arguing To talk about Squarespace Turn your dream into a reality with Squarespace Squarespace makes it easier than ever To launch your passion project Whether you're looking to start a new business Showcase your work, publish content, sell products And more, Squarespace is the tool for you With beautiful templates created by World-class designers and the ability to customize Just about anything with a few clicks You can easily make a beautiful website yourself Squarespace is powerful E-commerce functionality lets you sell anything online And analytics helps you grow your site in real time Everything is optimized for mobile Right out of the box and there's nothing to patch Your upgrade ever Buying domains is simple and you'll get to help you need With Squarespace's 24-7 award-winning customer support Squarespace empowers millions of people From designers to lawyers, artists to gamers Even restaurants and gyms To turn great ideas into something real Head to squarespace.com Slash idiot for a free trial And when you're ready to launch, use the offer code Idiot to save 10% off your first purchase Of a website or domain, that's squarespace.com Slash idiot, offer code Idiot Church announcements New tour dates added New tour dates added, TheAndrewShows.com Get them everywhere Or get all the tickets right there before they are gone Pittsburgh, we'll see you this weekend Then next weekend after that We're in Miami And then the weekend after that we're in Portland, I believe it's Portland New dates added Atlantic City, Reading, PAA Tucson, Arizona A bunch more all at TheAndrewShows.com There's less than 100 tickets left to the fourth Show, the special taping So make sure if you're in LA, if you're coming to the special taping You'll get those right now, TheAndrewShows.com Now, let's pay some bills Let me tell you something, stop looking like a sucker Which are baggy, ill-fitting Button-down shirt Okay, you have a shirt You purchased it, it's meant to be tucked in You wear it untucked And that's why it looks like trash Do you want a shirt that's going to fit you well When it's untucked because that's exactly how it's made To be worn? 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Coming out of college, I ran a 463 Oh, you rocked Right, but a 6 But that's me Exactly Rocked you as a 4-3 I got it When you see this, this is raw again But tell me, how many tracks 5-7 and got sides I'm a 2 That's what I'm saying The game is different with me But you can have speed I hear you That was heavy The whole building is shaking The building goes shake The building goes shake, Tio What was your 40 time, man? That was 4-3 Most of them are He got faster as he said I wasn't track speed So you don't throw that in there No, I'm not saying that You can't say after there's track speed Because it sounds like you were saying I had nothing to do with you There was a number of guys that was faster than me Coming out of high school college Most of them As I said, you never see me get caught from behind him And when I caught faster How you got worse colored if you didn't get caught from behind? And when I caught the ball How you got worse colored if you didn't get caught from behind? It was a game called Angles It's a game of Angles I don't know what Angles are I just go straight and not lock people down You're gonna be calling for them angels when I'm playing defense What? There's game speed and then there's track speed That's the case, there'll be a lot of track guys that are going out from football You know what I mean? Like I said, the game encompasses more than just speed There's a lot of skill set that you have to have In order to play the game Like this Like a check He can't even get into XFL right now He can't play high school ball right now I can't play high school ball because that's illegal You can't even joke your way into a team He's a comedian I'm a comedian But when we get on the field You're still funny I'm gonna be funny, but honestly The joke's on you, bro The joke's on you, Teal Does this guy? No, I'm not even gonna give him that much credibility That hurt Skip That one hurt That was deep bro You went too deep on that one bro You treated me like Donovan Skip pay less That's who you'd be Skip pay less What do y'all do like I guess Like when you miss the game Like what do y'all do to fill that bowl Like no, we joking around But I very seldom watch football I'll watch it sometimes Just to talk about it I never thought I was gonna play bro I became very competitive And I was a late groomer So then I started to realize my skill set And like I said, going to the Niners I saw what the best receiver Was the greatest receiver was at that time And so again When I say I'm grateful and thankful for the coaches That helped me and saw my potential Then I truly mean that Because they saw what I was capable of And I believed them Sometimes I didn't even believe in myself When I got drafted, I didn't think that I was gonna End up in two, three, whatever behind Jerry Rice Or being conversant with So Jerry's number one? Who's the greatest receiver of all time? Jerry And about Chris Hogan No And then you think about What about Chris? To be in the conversation with those guys Trust me It's My boggling because I never thought it Do you think you're better than Edelman? Who's number one then? I play with both of them Randy's number one And the reason is because Rings don't matter in football Rings don't matter, no because Because of the number of people The number of people that are involved If you take If you take two players And you have to put two players on one Which that's what But I play with Jerry too Jerry couldn't do the things Randy could do Period, he could not run like Randy I couldn't either And he couldn't do anything else that Randy could do When you talk about a complete receiver What could Randy do? He barely went over the middle That was one You got one You got one Now if I have a film And I show him running slants And taking it for 60 Consistently But nobody did it consistently Yeah I did Catching a deal over the top That's not a true statement Just because they know him That's not all he was doing When you think of Randy most What do you think of? Those are the highlights The highlights That's when you take it 60 The best run after catch guy In the last 30 years Right? Honestly The best run after catch That's T All the other skills Nobody had a better skill than Randy Catching, running Nobody had a better skill than Randy Now if you take Jerry that's disrespectful Physically do better than Randy You can't name one Physically He was the only guy that I ever seen Catch up to a ball You've never seen Mingi I've caught up to some balls Pause Pause the balls That's not like a lunatic You want to catch up to a ball I'm about to catch your balls He said catch up to a ball He found the same He said a plural You have to make a plural The thing about I can take 50 of your touchdowns Right? Here's one thing You take 50 of T's touchdowns I can show you 50 of his and there'll be nobody in the screen Right? Because he outran them let's say That's a compliment to T I can take 50 of Randy's touchdowns And there's three to four people in the scene Which means Randy went up Caught the ball over three or four people Or he outdulled them for that ball That was a skill that Randy had That nobody else could do That seems objective though That's what I'm saying To us as a receiver Making a play is going up and jumping It's going to get the ball Go get it Yes, 100% Run after catch Now he would have eight people He would run through and stiff arm and go score He was the number one in the last 30 years to do that Hands down Run after catch T? He's number two Yes T Then Jerry You're really trying to stay on this podcast huh? That's very admirable of him That's very admirable of him What do you rank yourself as? If you want to If he wants to put Randy at number two Jerry 1 To 1a I don't put Jerry in there Because Jerry had everything For him The quarterback That's not a discredit I'm just saying he had more Help He's right He didn't have a He didn't have a drop off So how do we define greatness Is it numbers or rings? No rings have nothing to do with it Barry Sanders didn't have a ring The very guy that you're talking about Damn Marino didn't have a ring Randy Moss Randy Moss is great He doesn't have a ring There's a number of guys that are great That doesn't have rings Sometimes guys just get lucky There's a number of guys that you don't even know They got Super Bowl rings So you think they're better than me? You're saying you're in a group I'm agreeing with you We're making progress But do you think What the players say If the players were to do The top 100 Which they should have the players do it And not some writers There's a corner It's probably the top three corners that ever played this game And he'll never be in the hall And his name is Dale Carter If you talk to any receiver Or DB in the last 30 years They will put Dale Carter in the top three But he'll never be in the hall He was a dude Why won't he be in the hall? Media was a Dug compared to what the media thought he was But he doesn't fit the criteria He was a great teammate to everybody What all that stuff that they want to see now He wasn't that dude But when you go out And take away your number one receiver And do it every game all game What is your opinion on Excuse me There was a little beef between Recently between I can't believe I'm blanking on his name Which is Sherman What is your take on Sherman First of all He's a good solid corner And so is Darrell Revis But again if you take those two Corners and you put them from 2005 to 2015 Or 2008 to 2018 They're still not going up against number one Receivers and taking them away Neither one can talk Not even Darrell? I thought Darrell just shut down Did you see what Moss did to that boy When he made them pull up There was no way he was never going to go up against T Moss, Julio Jones One on one with no safety over the top Neither one could do it So I'm not putting them in those Back in the day that used to be the case Dale Carter, Dion Sanders James Hasty Those type of players Safety was in the middle of the field That's a true one on one Darrell is saying there's a safety over the top Whenever Richard Sherman is going one on one So that's help Cover two A two shell And he also doesn't travel Yeah that doesn't mean anything If a guy doesn't travel If a guy doesn't travel Maybe that's just a defensive philosophy He can't blame that on the corner If a guy wants to say let me travel with this guy Then yeah, kudos for him But if that doesn't fit the scheme Of a defense Then you can't discredit a guy For what the team is requiring Of him It's like blaming you for not running the ball Exactly I just thought that was It was kind of a petty argument But again Sherman is on his way He's trending down as far as physically His body just can't keep up with some of the guys And for him to kind of take that one play out And run right by him Like that's going to happen because again No corners out there can cover a receiver one-on-one All game right now How do you know when enough is enough Your body will tell you Your body starts to just Getting up is just different at the age of 28 and 32 You're hurting your sore You can't recover You can fall down or you can get hurt On a Sunday and be back on Wednesday But when you start Wednesday's practice and then Thursday I'm kind of back and then Friday I'm barely back Like your body kind of tells you And I didn't realize it either because When you're playing you're always going to think Okay you can play You can continue to play on and on and on But I started to listen No you try to listen to your body but Even the coaches they noticed too Like when I had a day of rest This was later on in my career especially when I was with Buffalo And so They saw like if I had a day of rest My energy was They saw I was just flying It was a noticeable difference of a day of rest Versus just practicing back to back to back So that's how you know like okay obviously You know father time catches up but it's all about How you take care of your body too So nutrition Everything that I did you know leading up Throughout the course of my career That's what factored in and enabled me to play The number of years that I did and eating healthy Like I said the nutrition part It allowed me to bounce back from injuries To recover from injuries Yeah I was a bubble guy I could never take a day off I don't know I could get cut at any time Like you can take a day off if I were to take a day off No that wasn't happening I had to go out there and practice Did y'all fuck a lot? Like you know how you're fighting Like when you box That's hilarious You box with kids like It just came out like Like a regular question I didn't have sex You have a crazy story I never even thought about it Because there are times like you've had Sometimes like I'm sure I don't know Boxers say they abstain It's just like sleep Like I've had some of my best games And I didn't even sleep that well Versus sleeping 8 hours Feeling like okay you need to maximize your rest time But sometimes sleep deprivation That has been sometimes Like been the best thing that happened to me Sometimes a lack of sleep When I woke up Jordan was sleeping best games But as far as like having sex You know night before whatever If you can do it It happens then yeah It's no different and I'm sure guys jack off What's the difference Fun What's the difference Right but you're still exerting a lot of energy You're still you know You're getting the come out of your balls I hear you Your story were like you want to You like dated your neighbor And then it turned out it was like You were related or something like that No that was how I found out Who my dad was I'm a preteen I'm like 11-12 I live with my grandmother It's a neighborhood full of kids Right across the street There were a house full of girls Four girls I didn't know at that point At that time that I was playing Kickball or whatever Females in the neighborhood I'm a preteen start liking girls I start liking one of the girls in the neighborhood They happen to live right across the street I used to go across the street Watch TV, hang out with everybody Come to find out One of the girls that I ended up liking Was my sister I didn't know that my dad That was my dad at that point in time So at the end of the day No At that time You don't know You don't really think of that For me being a preteen That was the furthest thing In my mind Female How did it come to your attention Did your dad say it? Like I said they started seeing That I was questioning one of my sisters The one that I was liking was Lisa So they were like oh Terrell likes Lisa They got back to my dad So we had that conversation Like yo you can't like Lisa blah blah blah blah Blah blah blah blah whatever Lisa's your sister So that was pretty much the gist of it How are you and your father not? Cause I saw y'all on Fix My Life We're cool He kind of made some efforts after that show There was even some incidents Where he agreed to do the show And then he kind of backed out of it Then Yana kind of talked to him And encouraged him to be on the show But the show didn't really Fix your life? It didn't Fix your relationship But other than that It was good for me to Acknowledge And even get some questions answered That I never really asked As I grew up Cause I never asked my mom What happened and why this and why that So being on the show I saw my mom and dad sitting in the same room You know for more than five minutes So you know again Yana obviously being who she is And hosted a show like she Encouraged me to ask those Hard questions and even them So for me it was fulfilling I think it opened a lot of people's eyes And exposed them to kind of like how I grew up Who I am, what I'm about And then again there are a number of Relationships that are broken That were similar to mine After the show Ran into people On the streets that said that It gave them courage to reach out To their mom or their dad That they never really had a relationship with Or try to fix their strange Relationship Did it make you feel like a better man? Did you feel like you were missing something? The way that I am with my kids I think I'm a better Father to my kids Than my dad was to me Kind of A way to look at it As far as how I would like My relationship to be with my kids You know I think now It's something that I never really got to experience You know and so now with my kids You know just sharing that time Being around them and then You know it's quality over quantity Although I'm not in the same household I try to make the time that I do spend with them Quality time and make it count What do you learn that from though? Like what do you learn how to be a good father When you didn't have an example of one You know through life You kind of know what you miss You know what I mean I know how I felt when I didn't have A father And I didn't really have any uncles Or big brothers to lean on So again when I talk about My coaches being father figures To me and I can look at Other people's relationships How they are with their family And just that absence Of a father And that father figure in my household And I know how I felt I know what now to offer my kids So and then like I said Life is precious Think about what just happened with Colby You see the pictures Those things right there It would make you want To have a relationship With your kids We asked my dad Those hard questions as to why he didn't Do certain things or what have you He gave us our answer and I gave it The answer and I can only respect that And then move on from it So now like I said to be in a position To be a dad be a father to my kids I think I'm doing a good job Colby was a big Philly fan Did y'all have a relationship? Yep yep met Colby in 99 When I was with the Niners Went down with a teammate It was a Laker game Got to meet Colby afterwards Took a picture with some of my social media And then I didn't learn That he was a Philly fan until I was actually Playing with the Eagles And so I got a chance to Talk to him like went to several Laker games While in LA Talked to him After games I got to meet his wife His kids at that time He didn't have the last two I met him early on But again so I saw him last Last season Was with his oldest daughter Natalia She played at Seychelles High School And my daughter plays at Volleyball at Culver City High School And so they played each other I didn't know he was at the gym I just walked in the gym He saw me Just conversing Chatting it up and again He was talking about business Father supporting his kids And that's what I was doing too Being there supporting my daughter That's something again I never experienced with my dad So just now to be present in my kids life I think that's the most Remarkable thing Because these are things that Make lasting impressions On your kids and so for me It hurt me deeply Like I almost get choked up Talking about it It was an inspiration to me Just as Michael Jordan like I said I didn't know anything about football But when you think about some of the greatest To ever play the game And you see people that make Impacts in people's lives And be a barometer for success Michael Jordan was that guy for me And then I witnessed and I watched Kobe Watching him and just having Not an extensive conversation But I watched how he worked Everybody talk about that I had that sort of same approach With just not to the Imp degree that he did because that was his passion That was his dream He wanted to be the greatest Basketball player To ever live like behind Michael Jordan He wanted to be the closest thing To Michael Jordan that we've ever seen And I think he was the best clone We've ever saw To Michael Jordan And so for me that's what I Once I saw I realized my abilities and the coaches You know made me know That the potential that I had That was something that I strive for And I feel like I did it with my dedication My desire My dedication and my discipline I got to be the best receiver that I could be For myself knowing that Jerry Jerry Rice was the greatest of all time And y'all say Y'all know each other for 20 years right And we joke about it Like I said we always talk about He feels like you know Minnesota Had the first big three before they Had these big three We changed that entirely He wasn't even a part of the big three That was He doesn't seem like he's part of this podcast Hey, you were first part So then we have it later We gave him a lot of love On Breakfast Club You see I doubted I doubted I doubted I doubted I doubted I knew you got a lot of viewers Now people know who had you Who are you? Who is this guy? Who is the new guy? Oh my goodness You're the worst ever When team's game planned us That was three receivers that you had to look out for Jerry, JJ and myself Not when you were young They didn't look out for you You were not in the game plan No You were not in the game plan It was one of those guys that you had to watch They nobody knew about Didn't I go 80 on y'all Didn't I go 80 on y'all Wait, didn't I go 80 on y'all? That was one of his six touchdowns You didn't go 80 You had an 80 on touchdown Against these bums Well let me guess You were hurt that game I didn't even recognize it I didn't even know you had it until you just told me This guy How would they scheme for you early on in your career? They did scheme for him Nobody schemes for a number three receiver Was this a one? To throw at you I was two or three in the progression We already knew Jerry was our number one So to go through those progression You have a two, three and a four And that's usually the tight end I wasn't that guy It was making my mark I was emerging as an emerging I was that guy becoming a star Before everybody's eyes But he can't sit up and say he was part of the big three What was the big three? What was the big three? So I'm going to go Where did he factor into the three? We need 3.5 I'm about 3.5 So look The 98 Vikings team Changed the way The whole NFL scene right now Because you had Chris Carter 6-2, 2-20 guy Jake Reed, 6-3, 2-20 guy Maul, 6-4, 2-10 And then myself at 6-3, 2-15 After that we set every single Offensive record known to man that year The 98 draft You saw all the defensive coordinators Draft big long corners Because of what we were doing And since that year Your scene were big receivers Being drafted But y'all didn't set the record I'm talking about the record The best offense To ever hit the league Was not y'all It was not me You can't be in this conversation That's what you guys And since 98 All you've seen That's called Julio That's all you've seen All big receivers It's for those guys that he just mentioned Who was on the forefront of that The team that wins That's Tom Brady though Since you've been doing this podcast That's my guy What's Tio's favorite subject to talk about other than himself? That's it There is no There is no show without that Get your popcorn ready With Tio and Hatch His favorite Is his disappointment Of us Not making the top 100 Because we both didn't make the top 100 Top 100 what? Football players of all time That's his sore spot right now How do you not make the top 100 If you're the one age receiver Go ask Joe Horrigan That 26 panel Blue Ribbon That's his favorite I think that's disrespectful I think you should be in it But there was a theory that you had earlier I remember listening to you Where you said that the best receivers Are white guys Did they help you win the Super Bowl the best What? Who won the Oscars Hey Shout out to our one boy Matthew Cherry who won the Oscar You watch a piece, tune in to get your popcorn Ready with Tio and Hatch Hashtag GPR On the Himalaya app Matt does movies You did a few movies right? Yeah I produced Crew With Keith Robinson and Richard T. Jones And we swept the ABFF that year So it was a critically acclaimed movie The movie called Take Brad Furman directed that With John Legazomo Rosie Perez was a beast Bobby kind of Vale I like to be on the other side of the camera I've done some on-camera stuff But I like to kind of put the whole project together I love Rosie Perez and I say this in the most respectful way possible The reason I love her is because She was like the first Titty No not the side Spike Lee was rubbing the ice on That's the first Titty you ever saw Wayman can't jump When she was wearing the tank top And you saw that side Titty That's the first Titty You were 8 when that happened I don't know I was 30 You was 30 when the right thing came out? No I'm saying you're probably 30 something I'm saying 40 years ago When was Wayman can't jump? When you could not I was born at 83 It was for you It was this morning I would jump on you I would jump on you any day of the week No you cannot 92 Yeah that's a minute ago Bro you don't understand My athleticism is deceptive because of the color of my skin Okay But I have you know that I will yam it Have you ever seen him play basketball? I saw him play against Jay Whip He put stuff up on Instagram It's light work for me Are they any white players you respect to? The one with the get all the rings I respect Edelman Edelman Welker I love Edelman's story Like I said a quarterback A Ken State free agent Wasn't supposed to make it And for him to do the things he's done As far as his career To be one of the greatest Y receivers ever You can't say that The ones that win the rings White privilege I guess The white privilege is when he jumped on the hood of that car After the soup bowl Right But if that would have been AB They'd still be talking about it He'd be in jail right now for that What's going on with AB right now? Don't change the subject You see he got hot But that's what He got hot over here for That's exactly what they mean Right but that's exactly What happens in mainstream media What does mainstream media do? What you just tried to do Just tried to sweep it under the rug Like he hasn't done anything Who stopped the coronavirus But you want to highlight AB Is that why he was throwing up in a huddle But you want to highlight AB What? He's a loser He's a loser AB He's a loser He threw away his whole shit Sometimes You can criticize Donovan McNabb For boozing before the Super Bowl But not AB for throwing away his whole career Wait wait wait He has played like 9-10 years already He's had a career I think he was arguably the best He was at least top 3 wide receiver in the game I agree with that Also you wanted him to go 20 years You wanted him to play 50 Maybe he was done He's out there begging Tom Brady To bring him back to hit it to miss you bro But he's already had his career So he's cool But he didn't miss handle the last year I agree with that And we can be critical when people miss handle Tio we're going to talk about you in a second Man come back Hey Tom it's not about him You're on his phone Googling himself What am I doing today What's going on over here What's on my Instagram Why not just DM He's disrespecting AB I mean this guy He's disrespecting himself bro I'm not condoning what I'm biggest AB fan before all this I'm not condoning what he's done But again everybody has Made some mistakes He's made a handsome number of them Does he probably need to get some Help in some way Shape form or fashion Absolutely Has he mishandled some of those things Absolutely But he didn't throw his career away I wouldn't say that he threw his career away If he doesn't play I think he's thrown that away That's all I'm saying I think that he has He still has an opportunity to play You're looking at 32 teams He just needs to play for one team He'd have to be perfect for these next six months Trust me Even if he were to get signed There's going to be a lot of stipulations that goes into that contract You know what I mean? So again And he knows that I'm an AB fan like I said And he knows I've gone to his house I don't condone the conduct In which he's shown over the last few months And I've even said that to him To his face I went to talk to him as a person As a man As a friend Regardless of everything that's going on around him Because clearly he didn't have the people around him The language he was using towards his big mom That and in front of your kids You know what I mean? At some point you have to Be a grown up You have to be an adult You have to be a father You have to be something that you didn't experience And what you didn't have As I mentioned earlier We both share that same Space We didn't have fathers in our life But we can make our kids' lives Better by being something And doing stuff that our dads didn't Let me stay right there on that father Piece How do you know it's right if you've never seen it? That's real Because as a lot of African American dads That's the whole How do you know it's where your dad wasn't around But some things are just common sense Of course Some things are just common sense Like I said, even women that Have kids for the first time Had a mom Growing up They have to be a mother to their kids They find a way They figure it out At the end of the day you have a basic Set of morality that you should live by I don't think it's that hard to just be a decent Human being My father had a horrible father But sometimes you can learn Just as much from right as wrong Absolutely Sometimes if you at least have a horrible example Absolutely If you have no example of what's a wall You're kind of like what do I do Okay that's fair You have kids? He's still wearing condoms You both Yeah Tio Come on bro Come on bro Come on Come on You know what else they shouldn't leave hanging Then passes I'm about to intercept if I guard you In fact you leave that shit hanging That's going to snatch right out the air dawg Look at this Bro you see that he came and look at his direction You know who else shouldn't look the quarterback Cause that shit getting intercepted Don't look over here Is it really a thing that you don't like the way it comes Really? Tio like fuck that I don't want no one to step you Really? Hey get you boys some dabs Get you boys some dabs Tio I need some dabs Tio I don't know We had a condom sponsor We don't want it You don't believe in condoms bro You listen to this dude You see he's livin' to this dude Look who he's befriending Yo listen They should be doin' a podcast We really should It's going to be called fast guys Yeah That's hilarious He doesn't know what to do with his hand Black people we know how we missed the dabs Like something you know Like something Tio know what to do You gotta stay right there You gotta stay right there That's it bro I got you There you go I got you When you're ready to have some waters open Thank you so much You talk about language right Cause you said you didn't like the way Antonio talked about To his baby mom Especially in front of his kids So how did you feel about Snoop talking To Gale King like that Was it appropriate No Do I feel like she deserved it Yes Considering how the interview went Did you see the whole interview Nobody's seen the They saw like two Five minute interview and two minutes of it Was about Kobe I saw the 5 minutes 36 seconds And his transgressions and the thing is Kobe was never convicted of anything Kobe admitted to his wrongdoings He apologized to her He apologized to his wife And that's where it should have lied And that's where it should have ended And he's moved on and he's been A better person from that You haven't heard of Kobe Doing the same thing This wasn't an R. Kelly situation Gale knew better than that She's a journalist like you know going into To an interview like that You know what questions you have Whether you know they were approved by The network producer whatever the case may be Even if you have some type of more Compass going into that You're asking Lisa Legend Why are you asking Lisa That's friends Real close friends They play ball together in sparks How do you have to do with that interaction She wasn't there Some type of moral compass You know what I mean My thing is I'm looking at the interview I'm thinking initially okay it's a Reflective piece about like you said The relationship them being Lakers the same time The bond His career things of that nature She went into it like it was a 30 for 30 Or some type of documentary piece And you're digging up dirt It almost seemed personal when she was like Well Lisa you wouldn't know that would you Yeah Another dig That seemed personal to me So again when you think about like Something like said She deserved a backlash that she's gotten And as Bill Bellamy said Number one she's black You would think going into a situation like that Take care of us Because they take care of them Why not take care of us In that situation I think I can see where the anger You know came from I don't know about the language But that's who And I'ma come see you But she's 65 years old And you're not gonna come see her But I'm not Stop acting tough On fucking instagram It's not him It's what about some of the younger dudes that respect Snoop 100% You see what I'm saying I'm not I agree I agree Matt really will come see He's got the same It's that same energy But again like said You don't want anything to escalate To that point to where somebody Is hurt But that's where the love For Kobe is Right now Like said the timing of it The guy hasn't even been buried yet Just the timing of it And then just for his wife For the sake of his wife and his kids And then you start digging up stuff Like said he wasn't even convicted I will say her two questions weren't bad questions No I know that's it But it was the way she responded Yeah it was the push back One was um you know People say his legacy is complicated Because of XYZ The next one was Should people even be talking about this Should this even be a topic of conversation Which also Lisa knocked out the park With an answer Those two questions weren't bad questions It was just a push back though She kept saying Digging and digging That's what people are upset about That's what people are outraged about Because in which the manner that Again the push back Lisa gave her every opportunity When she gave her answers And she kind of just left it at that But then again there was some comeback too The case wasn't dismissed because the woman didn't show up Like it was always some another fight There's a reason, as I said this is not a documentary piece Like what is the nature of the interview about Like this is like They want their clicks They got their clicks there in the business And that's what Europe is saying You're doing this for clicks Don't do this off of Kobe's name That's reasonable I definitely think the criticism is reasonable I do think that there's like This like weird racial component Kicked in where like you can't It was like you're somehow I don't know you're somehow like Going against your own if you're asking a question About someone's past That is incriminating And I don't think that's necessarily fair I mean Because that's context too, Oprah and Gale So people look at Oprah and Gale and they think Oprah only targets black men To bring them down But you haven't did that with Harvey Weinstein Harvey Weinstein is also Gale worked with Charlie Rose She worked with Ledger's best But like you don't think that they've tried To get Harvey Weinstein for an interview Like I think everybody on the earth has tried They get Kobe for an interview They got her friend They should have got Harvey Weinstein's friends And get on there and talk about Harvey Weinstein That's a great question Oh she did I don't remember the interview But she did interview Harvey's lawyer It was like during fall of last year But I think there's also People have seen Gale come to this Was there any Feedback Exchange like it was with Lisa I would like to see that interview I don't think it would be the same And it's a lawyer too In this video of Gale Defending Charlie Rose It's the body language She didn't do that No type of defending She can see the benefit of the doubt With those situations The thing is Kobe had There was no repeat Of his mistakes He admitted to his wrongdoing His marriage was on the brink He apologized to his wife And since then He's made good on that Whatever their talks were to move forward To be a best husband And a father He had done that So maybe the criticism is reasonable I tend to defend my newbie and queens But you know I'm the first person to tell people You can't tell somebody how to react But I can tell somebody if they went too far You know what I'm saying Like right now If T.O. was to get up and slap Andrew I'd be like oh T.O. pull out I get it You think his full six running ass Is going to be able to catch me I'm on the edge of my seats over here You need to be on the edge You're sitting deep I'm gone You better be thankful for your new podcast Partner right here separating us I'm on the edge of my seats He's breaking up another team He's going to kick me to the curb over here You know what I mean He's kicking me to the curb He's kicking me to the curb over here How often does your podcast come up? About a month ago Every Tuesday The podcast comes out Can we get you on there? 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Oh, absolutely Because as I alluded to earlier The things that were going on, like I said They kind of were the social media era in a way But it's just like the We were just talking about the interview with Gail and Lisa If you don't see the entirety Of the interview then All you have to go by is the clip That edit of that whole clip And that's what happened when I tried to Explain Dispute my side of the story Like I said, an hour and a half Sitdowns of Whatever the situation was But the world doesn't See the entire Hour and a half They only see like 5-10 minutes of what they show In clips from that interview So they did me a disservice Like yeah, to be in an era now Where you have the To have the social media platforms And have a voice Back then we were voiceless We were at the mercy Of what was being You couldn't control your own narrative Exactly, and then like I said You talk about the script Bro, the liars Like I said, could I have handled Some things differently? Absolutely But I wasn't, and I didn't do Like I said, I did To be a disruption in the locker room And say that I was that on every team You would have to really go in that locker room And talk to all 53 guys And if there's a large percentage of guys In every locker room, then okay I'll agree with you, I was a distraction But you can't talk to a coach here Behind closed doors, getting a little sound A sound bite for your story Or a player here that may not have like me Or what have you And then say they speak for the locker room So yeah, I definitely Like I said, I would have flourished Thrived in an era like this Especially with all these social media platforms What would you have done on social media that year You got suspended from the ego I would have tried to really explain My side of the story So again, like I said, Donovan got mad Because of a clip that I had done With Graham Benzinger I met this dude He was in high school when I was with The San Francisco 49ers I met him coming out of the locker room after a game He was in high school, he said I'm going to be a journalist one day I was like, yeah, didn't think too much of it Fast forward to 0405 He goes to Syracuse or whatever Now he's working for ESPN He reaches out, he's like, yo T Remember you told me in high school I could do an interview, I did the interview I granted the guy the interview They asked me a few questions here and there One of these questions was I don't know why he asked the question But we got to talking about Brett Farve and some other quarterbacks What do you think about Brett Farve He's a great quarterback If you had Brett Farve Do you think you guys would be a better team Or something like that I would agree with that assessment Just giving respect Not discounting But I was giving kudos to In respect to Brett Farve And what he's done That soundbite created a firestorm The next day A tarot says something about Donovan That throws him under the bus And that's how, that's where things kind of went Down hill And they didn't see the entirety of the interview Because I said it easily Because Donovan had been injured that year I said easily, if Donovan wasn't hurt We would easily be sitting here 6-1 because we got beat by Pittsburgh Like bad that year So we were 4-3 Right now, if Donovan wasn't hurt But they never, nobody ever read Never heard of none of the good stuff That I was saying They just went off the edit, a little bit of the transcript And that's where things went downhill Because it bleeds and bleeds, so I gotta go with the negatives Right, but they just spent you for a whole year for that Yeah, after 7 games I had played like 7 games And then things kind of just started, yeah It just kind of unraveled And then Donovan, like I said We had just come off the Super Bowl It was the year that I did the sit-ups And me and Andy had a disagreement At practice, he sent me home And so the reason I did the whole sit-up thing Because he was like, yo Yeah, so he was like, go home And he's like, we'll see you when we get back When we get back to Philly Make sure you keep yourself in shape or whatever So I didn't, I got back From Lehigh I would have 2 hours I think I'm in my house I wasn't thinking nothing of it Next thing I know, I hear helicopters Going around the house Then I look out the blinds I got media trucks in the yard And then they started knocking at the door So I looked at it left They kept knocking, so I just Paged the media, tried to have fun And make light of the situation So again, I remember Andy said, oh Make sure you work out, so I asked why I brought the bench out Just to say, okay Andy, I'm working out So you were doing it to be funny Yeah, I just tried to make light of the situation So I didn't think too much of it And then like I said, the rest is Rest is history Is that really the only reason they suspended you Just because you said something about Donovan McNabb? Yeah, because Donovan, like I said, at that point it got so bad And Donovan wanted me, like I made a public apology Got through my Through my publicist, wrote something out Read it So the thing was She had sent it Via fax Sent it to the training room Not the training to the equipment room They got it, so they, somebody who ever Got the fax, they saw what was on there So I went to the team captains One of the guys was Jeremiah Trotter I was like, yo, I gotta go do a press conference This is what I gotta read, blah blah blah blah So I gave the, I showed it to Showed it to Trotter, he read it And it basically was saying I apologize to the organization It has some personal thing You know, pointing out Singling out Donovan This and that and that So Trotter was like Don't do this, don't do that So that's what I did Team captain, he read it I'm like, all right, cool, so I'm like, okay, I can see why he say take that out Because I apologize to the team and the organization He's part of the team Why single him out individually So that's what I did And so then it got back to the coach Or whatever, after I had done the press conference And up top, that I didn't Read out the entirety of What was sent over Talked to Andy Reed He wanted me now to make another apology In front of the team To Donovan I'm like, nah So why do I gotta specifically point him out I was like, I apologize to everybody The organization But you pointed him out initially in the interview Even though the question was asked to you But you still singled him out The media singled him out It wasn't a direct Not just apologize I did that, if I apologize I think you're right, Matthew At the time Just apologize But at that time, I didn't see a need What am I apologizing for Doesn't matter, because of his feelings Yes, because of his feelings, that's why we apologize So what about my feelings? Who cares Okay, it doesn't matter He didn't need me the year before You don't care about his feelings? No I care about what his super balls Just apologize to the quarterback You're not a baby The baby needs to be nurtured Give him a titty, let him get some milk If it was a white quarterback, I wouldn't have apologized If it was a black quarterback But you I wouldn't have apologized But I get that But at this point in time, things had gotten so bad Like I said, he had already showed His true colors toward me And even guys, even people in the organization That worked at, they even pointed out things That I was oblivious to So at this point, I'm like, nah So it wasn't just that isolated incident Where I felt like I couldn't Apologize to him Maybe on different circumstances Had there been like a one-off, then yeah I would have been mad enough to do it But it was things that led up to the point After you challenged him to a fight This was after that It was after that So he was trying to throw his weight around At this point in time, asking I need a public apology in front of the team So I'm not doing that And then when I didn't do it Andy, they were going to Washington that following week He goes, okay, I'ma sit you out We'll address it, this and that But I 100% guarantee Donovan went there and was like, no I don't want to play with him It's either me or him You think it was jealousy? You think both of y'all had an ego? That was no ego with me, bro Like he said earlier, he alluded to I couldn't have done the things that I did On the football field without the quarterback And no matter what the situation was I didn't take it onto the field No matter what, when we in between the lines That's my guy But he didn't seem to be that way It's everybody's not on your team Everybody's not going to be that way Bro, I never had any hate toward Donovan No envy, no nothing Based on Again, like I said, I'm sure a lot of things We got to get Donovan on the show Right, but I guarantee a lot of things That factor to him They didn't feel it in the way They didn't embrace him When he came out and they needed There was a pic between him and Ricky Williams They end up getting him and they booed him And the way when I came over from San Francisco They lit up the city They embraced me, I scored touchdown You got the whole stadium chanting my name That couldn't have set well with him But that's not my fault That's crazy That's not my problem And these are things that were brought to my attention They felt that rubbed him the wrong way Very weird relationship for a quarterback And why we see what they have though Because he's throwing you the touchdown Bro, trust me When I came over there I already knew What the stigma was For me coming over, he's disruptive He's going to be causing problems I didn't come over there with no ego I even said in my press conference I'm not coming here to steal anybody's thunder Anybody's limelight They brought me over there because of what I've done They didn't get They had Four chances to get beyond the NFC championship You're sure this wasn't about women Y'all wasn't fighting over the five or six tens Right, right, right Again, women know Chickens play in Taylor It was nothing like that, dude Trust me, when I saw him Met him at the Pro Bowl the year before When I was with the Niners You're not a threat then, of course And then when I got over there It was a different story If Dunham was sitting here right now I would say the exact same thing That I'm saying right now That's true, Dunham Same thing right now Maybe y'all need a conversation You know what I said, don't need to go to the grade When you look at what happened with Kobe God bless you there You see how Kendrick Perkins Reached out to Kevin DeRan All this stuff is just forged at the end of the day It's about all the time he waited We didn't get a chance to do this You don't feel it today We never really had a relationship like that But you're still upset, dude You've been talking about it for like 30 minutes You guys are talking about it We talked about it already You brought it back He said he brought it back We were wrapping up And he was like one more thing about Donovan And that You brought who? There's something in here where you guys Killed your sister That's what we do here That's what we do here That's what we do here Seriously, a great podcast episode Would you be you guys talking I mean that 100% Unreal content They played me then Yeah, but other than that No, I don't see a need to No, I don't need no content He's trying to say I'm not He the one did the show with Master Chez Master Tiff He did the untold stories Bro, I don't need to do that Bro, I thought we had discussed it I thought it was cool And stuff like that just helps The people who already tried to paint a narrative You being a negative teammate That helps them out Get them on there call them out I don't need to I guarantee it I'm gonna play some amazing grace in the background I don't need to I don't need to Like I said He had ample opportunities to be To speak politically correct When he needed to, but when it came to me That wasn't the case Even like I said when my contract came up Westbrook, he spoke out for Westbrook To get his money, but when it came to my money It was not He didn't speak that way You know what I mean? It's just me and you Nice They can go do their own pocket Did Jerry Jones share his women? Does he what? Did he share his women? I'm sure he does I don't know He never asked them to the team Jerry Jones? You never seen the pictures of Jerry Jones? Women? What? He he he Let me show you the pictures You don't remember this? Right, but if it was Somebody black owner doing what he doing That'd be crucified He's married He ain't married Crucified Crucified Crucified I never seen these I know because y'all hang out together Y'all don't never see nothing You know most Jerry don't share those with the team Maybe I wasn't like in the 90s I wasn't one of his guys I wasn't part of the triple threat Y'all never had a relationship? You didn't stay the night at Jerry's house? No It was strictly business Man I thought it was If it was strictly business He wouldn't listen to Romo and Witton and Garrett To get me up out of there Romo, Witton and Garrett are the reasons that you That's part of it Damn It is what it is bro But like I said I'm a bad guy I don't know I gotta hit a whole story I gotta hit a whole story I'm gonna let somebody else have some other guys in here To tell the story I can't tell It's not gonna be believable Why let someone else tell it? Because they come from a selfish point of view Exactly, it's gonna come from another show We wanna hear your appeal because they can respond later Why do you think Romo, Witton and Garrett Went to get you out of Dallas? So after my third year I had just got an extension Jerry called me I remember exactly where I was High Rise on McKinney street McKinnon And so he called me and this was right before They opened up in the Jerry's world So he kinda asked me what do we need to get Over the hump By this time like I said this is First or second year Coaching And so he asked me my honest Assessment of what we need to do To get to that next level, try to get to the Super Bowl I gave him that And he was like cool Like I'm looking forward to Opening it up to the big stadium The next year What was your assessment though? That we need to kinda get more people involved I think there were things during the course of that Final year that We went to the attention of some other guys And they noticed it too Where Roma was favoring Targeting Witton more so Than other guys when other guys were open And that's the thing But that's what I'm about But before he said that I was about to It wasn't even about me getting the ball It was about other guys During the course of the game That were open but he was throwing the double team covers We would point these things out In practice behind closed doors And things that we had in discussion That between myself and Garrett And other guys and receivers That we thought would never get out And then somehow the next day The media knows what we're talking about So there are things that I Kinda Made people aware of And then I think after that Jerry took your assessment back to the team And they was like no he's the problem Let's get him out of here So again those guys They were part of the reason why I didn't extend Because I had just signed an extension So if I was a problem Why did he get me an extension What I talked about earlier on the show When I got released They had to file a paper of why I was released It didn't have anything to do with Conduct detrimental and Any other things that the boxes That were supposed to be checked They checked performance based What was the performance thing You said it on the breakfast club You don't want to say it here My performance Like I was the top receiver Right Tell them what it was Like I performed like I was one of the top Receivers in the league You hit him the ball No that was too slow It's because you were too slow It's because you were too slow You were tricking down You lost a step Anything that comes out of your mouth You were trotting bro We didn't need a wall to stop you You were stopping To my point Those are some of the things That happened That all happened after that one Conversation Because this was After the season So I had to be like December Like January I lived in Miami at the time My agent lived in Miami There was an owner's meeting Up in Fort Lauderdale He called my agent and said We're going to be in Fort Lauderdale Let's have a meeting My agent called me We're going to be meeting Jerry and Stephen At this hotel We thought more or less About moving In a direction for the next season We got into the meeting We sat down at the table And drew And I think my other agent was sitting there And so he started talking about the organization Kind of just isolating Things within the organization And he was putting me over here in a category So after he did all of that He drew He started writing on the table Like Cowboys T.O. Romo T.O. Everything associated with Cowboys On one side and he was on the other side So then he had the pen And then he drew a line in between us That's Jerry Jones? Yeah, he drew a line in between all of that And he said, we're going to have to part ways That's how I was cut That conversation It sounds like When you were talking He was taking what you were saying As you were putting yourself on that side But I never said that I was wanting to When he asked me about the assessment Of what we needed to do as an offensive As a team to move forward I was giving him my honest assessment But it wasn't about me getting one honest But that wasn't my assessment I thought as a Me being one of the top players on the team Him being the owner He was coming to me to get some feedback On what we needed to do as a team In an organization You know a Blackwater receiver will not have No weight when it comes to A white quarterback And a head coach If he's calling me and asking me I know how he's But I understand What he had done In the relationship that he had With Charles Haley, the Emmett Smiths The Troy Eggmans I'm now one of those guys That he can lean on to get an honest Assessment of what Needed to be done to get to the Super Bowl That's what they brought me to help To do That was really the nature of the conversation And that's what I took from it I wasn't thinking anything outside of that What did Drew say in that moment? Drew Rosenhaus, y'all still friends? No You don't fucking Drew? Really? He stood by you in a lot of hard times When you get paid, I'm pretty sure If I'm paying you, you're stick by me too So you thought he was a friend? No You never thought he was a friend? Yeah, I mean, then Never had anything bad to say about me Nothing while we were together as soon as we parted ways Then he started saying this and that I was selfish, I was arrogant Where was all of this from the beginning? You were paying him Money, money, money, money Did you encourage people to sign with Drew Rosenhaus? If players ask you? I would say no comment Wait, wait If a player came to you and said Y'all want to sign with Drew Rosenhaus No comment I can't say anything about it Really? I just wouldn't say anything about it I mean, I think that's interesting, only because during the NFL He did stick by you If I'm paying you, then yeah Then if we never had any issues While we were together Then why when we part ways Then you wouldn't have negative things to say about me What made y'all part ways? There was a number of reasons Give us a few We got the time There were some things that happened With my financial advisor I can't really go into details But at the end of the day For me to have an agent And support any agent For that matter They're going to approach guys coming out of college And I'm sure Hatch can attest to this too They're trying to get your services They're going to tell you They're going to tell your parents Anybody that you surround We're going to take care of him We're going to have his best interest at heart And so for me You tell me that You're telling my mom, are you looking at my family I take that in totality So then you go and things happen To ride then Outside of when it's like out of sight out of mind Then for me When you're addressing and you're doing stuff For me then you essentially You're helping my family at the same time I think you have an allegiance Something toward my family At the same time, it's just not me That you're taking care of So I take my family Into account when I make A number of decisions So when he doesn't take that into consideration Then you just got to move on How much did he steal from you? I'm not going to say I'm not going to say anything I can't really say I can't really speak on it But again, like I said I don't want you to ask me About anything about Drew Rosenhaus I'll just be like, do your due diligence Wow But isn't he on record saying that he made you So much money that he deserved I don't care what he said he made me nothing I made myself that money I worked for it He maybe had negotiated But he ain't made me nothing Fair enough, he negotiated Right I mean if he stole from you I would take the other players to you At the end of the day, like I said I would tell guys to do their due diligence As far as Whom they're Retaining Who they're retaining As their representation Yeah, because I think he's the reason that AB really can't get another gig Only because He parted ways and told him he needed to get some help You know what I'm saying? He put that out there Yeah, he changed the water But of course, again, everything was going well When AB was paying him that money Like I said, he can't control the actions of AB So that may have triggered Or prompted him to do what he did As far as parting ways But that's not on him That's kind of like on AB too You had a 6.5 million dollar Lawsuit against Drew Rosenhaus He wouldn't do that 5 years 5 years You accused him of giving you bad financial advice That cost you millions How much money he cost you Fruld, breach of Prodiciary duty and negligence Wow He introduced you to a financial advisor named Jeff Rubin Recommended you hire him to manage your money Wow Rubin was later banned from the securities industry After putting several NFL players' money into a high risk investment That lost over $40 million That was a good chance that Rubin was kicking money To Drew 100% So I'm not going to say anything bad so to your point you asked me if somebody would Ask me about I said do your due diligence made off. Yes, did you get fucked over in made-off thing in the made-off thing? The bernie made-off thing. No, was it a Ponzi scheme the money that they were putting? I don't know anything about no made-off I don't know. He was if he was associated with that Or are you asking if that's something similar? I'm asking if that's where you're I would not be surprised if that's where they're putting your money Interesting. Why'd you drop it though? After after five years battling him in court. Why did you decide to drop the case? I just had to just you know, it's Not even worth the headache, you know, it's taking time out of my schedule Talk to lawyers go do here go this and that another it just wasn't worth it At the end of the day like said, I mean Comrade is everything bro. Like I said, I know I'm not a bad person like I know what the stigma is I know what the perception is Did he make you sign something that you can't speak bad about? Yeah, I can't I can't speak on it Yeah, because you probably heard his business. I can't speak on it. Yeah So like I said, that's why I said I'm careful at what I say like I knew what you were getting at but like I said I would tell do you do diligent hatches even asked me He's asked me about certain players or whatever what I thought about, you know, drew Rosenhaus or whatever they said the other Like I said, do you do diligence? Are there other players with similar stars? Oh, of course. I'm sure I'm sure under drew Um, I would I probably I'm not sure. Yeah, but I'm um what I know with jeff rubin that situation Yeah, absolutely most of jeff rubin's clients were drew drew Rosenhaus clients Do you have anger towards any of them? Like if you saw drew on the street right now or jeff rubin in the street right? No, like I said, I just like I said, I kill him with blindness. I just let and then how do you kill him with blindness? Keep your shades on I just no I just like I don't know. Oh got you got you don't see him. Okay. Got you got you got you got you Right. Yeah. You know, I just act like I don't see him bro. Like I'm like I said, bro I know who I am not a bad person Yeah We go like said in the day like I said if I was that type of person that I've been trade portrayed to be over these years it would have translated transferred to off the field it is my hope uh for tarot Owens that You don't go to the grave with that narrative At some point in time you get to really tell your story the real story I'm working on I'm working on working on some stuff. Um, like I said, I got a meeting this week in LA About a bigger documentary I know I've done some stuff with uh, we did a mini doc docu series with uh, the players for bune And so with that, you know, it was successful The content and then even with some of the things that have happened since then transpired like me not making the top 100 Um, you know all-time team things of that nature this dunham and stuff What have you have the other 30 for 30 on you yet? No, I'm I'm not I'm not gonna get them free content. I know what your doc should be called But it's it's never my fault. Yeah You assume that I feel like that it's not like I've I've taken some account of it Like I said, could I have done some things wrong? Yeah, I've said that what in the NFL you do wrong What didn't what because I celebrated because I was outspoken. Is that wrong sounds like you're defending yourself when I ask you What you did wrong, right? But is that wrong? Well, just tell us what you did wrong Okay, maybe I could have addressed the media a different way if if I knew How to play the game to kind of guess stay ahead or Stay in good graces with the media, but that's not what I was about But did you do anything wrong? What no, I didn't what did I do wrong if you're asking me what did I do wrong? There's obviously something You're why you're why see what you played in the league too honest This is too honest. Is it people don't want to hear the truth a lot of the times So in your assessment in your opinion, is that wrong? No It's not wrong. If that's what the truth is let me ask you one question What give me one thing that you thought Tio did wrong in his career. Just give me one one of the 20,000 that you I'm not making the argument that he did anything wrong. I'm not one thing at all Not one there's not one. I'm not making the argument that he did. I know I'm asking a total separate question I just want to know what's one thing that you thought that when you heard wrong and different Or the one thing that I would have done differently if I was him I'm not saying that he did anything wrong because I'm not in this there in the situation to know what it is So I can't claim what is right and wrong for you one thing I would have done differently I would have just apologized to Donovan if he was being a fucking baby Just apologize like a baby. It's like, you know how powerful an apology is like You basically strip the person who needs it from all their power. You want to apologize for them. You really apologize for you Yeah, it's like all right. Just throw me the ball. I'm sorry. Are you done? You done crying? I wouldn't think that he somebody of that caliber wouldn't need an apology. I didn't think at that time He just asked me when I had fragile egos. That's it. Men have fragile egos. Yeah I totally get it. I think everybody has an ego at some point. You know what I mean? And like I said, I'm sure Yeah, did it surface during the course of my career? Yeah, but at the end of the day you asked me did I have I know I have not done anything wrong because everything that I've been Criticized for and vilified for they're now embracing being outspoken. That's they're embracing that I wouldn't work out in front of me. I'm not talking to you right now. I know you're not I'm I was criticized for that. Guess what they're doing. They're embracing that now, right? So yeah, so yeah, I didn't I haven't done anything wrong, but in the eyes of many at that time. Yeah They didn't know how to view what I was doing A lot of what you were doing was marketing though Like the whole two popcorn thing. I mean, it's got a whole podcast years later named after I was trying to accept that time. I said being creative that was motivation for me to get into the end zone I knew that I couldn't do all those things if I didn't score And then like I said, it became a topic around the league where guys were you know mad at me for celebrating or scoring or dancing To wear some guys on the same team. I'm like, bro If you if you don't like it then stopping from getting in the end zone So is that wrong? No, but to a lot of people based on how the narrative was created. Yeah I'm a bad person. I'm a disruptive guy. I did this I did that So, yeah, I hated you when you stood on the start So it's not it's not that I'm I'm never never wrong. Yeah, but I'm like I was a cowboy Absolutely, but like my father said if you don't like him standing in the star stop. Yeah, don't let him get in the You know what I mean? Yeah All right Well, thank you taro already Matthew hatchet get your popcorn ready get your popcorn ready podcast available wherever you can get podcast Thank you all for coming man. Really appreciate you. Yeah, absolutely And it's uh the brilliant idiots podcast as always if you think we're smart you think we're intelligent You think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. If you think we're just a couple idiots, you don't know shit You're right too. Thank you for listening