 Welcome to Church of the Chair where we celebrate all the things we do while seated. I'm your hostee here with my co-host Chad Lutsky And we're writing collaborating on a novel together Tentatively entitled Planet Caravan We've been just like stream number eight. I believe we've done plenty of writing today What's what's the game plan Chad? Are you want me to pick what we do today? Doesn't matter. Yeah, go ahead I do want to note for people watching that we are at nine thousand two hundred sixty-one words Almost almost to the fifth. I have a 15k hump Like that when I know that a story I like have all the bones and everything to layer everything on top of it And I'm always even though that it's rare that I don't finish what I start I know once I get over those 15,000 words. I'm seeing it to fruition so But I would say I'm already there with this one just to waylay any fears anyone I'm already here with this one because we we've planned it out so far. It's like we're past that 15k anyway We know I mean we even have like the subtle details about the guy who runs the carnival and all that stuff I need to post this up on Discord that's what I forgot to do morning moxie Discord.com Yeah, I'll share it around too Morning Brad, how you doing morning Viking Afternoon from the UK. Good morning from America moxie. Hope you're doing fantastic Hey, Brad, how you doing Viking? How are you? If I just repeat myself, I'm sorry. I'm still not quite awake Hey, everybody Yeah, boy was approaching burnout had to cancel yesterday. I was uh, I was working on I have another project that I'm working on and then a whole other project. I don't talk about that upfront, but a whole other project That I started to so now on three projects deep And I was writing on a brand new project Uh called folk horror W-h-o-r-e, okay Um urban dictionary says I was wondering if it was like a title because it could go either way It could be like you're replacing lore in folklore or Like folk horror, you know, that's what I that's yeah, that's for my moment And but I love things I love That kind of word play like the bedding of boys has multiple different meanings sound of broken ribs multiple different meanings south up here dozens of fucking meanings throughout the book anyways, so I was that I got got to writing and I was It got so bad And the ideas were coming of course faster than I could get them out. That's usually the problem that I have Um, and then I forget certain things But I literally changed the character's name halfway through the first chapter And never noticed and then sat there reading it over For 10 minutes trying to figure out where this new character came from Not realizing that I had just fucked up the character's name. I mean, it was completely different names too. I just Anyways at that point. I was like, okay. I can't even see straight at this point. I can't keep my character straight So, uh, yeah, I need to tell chat. I need to I needed they all It was it was bad when I started doing that Yes, it's it's time to take a break But uh, I like I like that name. I like the title. It reminds me of, uh Um, John Bowden and I started a book called um trailer park coven and uh trailer park coven coven Like which is coven coven. Okay. Okay coven. Sorry I'm so sorry. I'm not trying to pick on the way you said it is. I've never heard anyone say it like that before Uh coat. Yeah. Anyways, coven. I I think I think it's one of those words that every time I say it I say it differently I haven't made up my mind yet trailer park coven It's an oven Okay. Yeah trailer park coven. Uh, that's it's exactly what it sounds like and uh, it's kind of like a A grit lit white trash coven Yeah, it's funny, but it's uh, it's also gritty and yeah, it's nowhere near done but the uh full core, uh, so I'm blending the two things. Um, I'm blending folklore and uh folk horror um, and making it all about this Female character in this small town that Everyone believes is promiscuous, but actually isn't And at the same time there is folk horror aspects Because urban dictionary I came up with the title and I was like this has to this has to be a book already So I went looking for it Couldn't find it. Um, but I did find the urban dictionary definition of folk horror and that's exactly what folk horror is Is a woman everyone thinks is a whore, but isn't has actually approved Um, so blend those three things together the urban dictionary definition folklore and folk horror So everything works Works well together and I put it all as one word. So hopefully amazon Doesn't shadow band the shit, but if I if I go with it, I I'm not independently publishing anymore. So um, it wouldn't matter anyways that Those those bigger companies get away with that shit. They can call their books whatever they want to But even books like the subtle art of not giving a fuck Um, they have the asterisks in there. So they might hide it no matter what. I don't know uh, hey, you could put a You could put a uh Little blur which stick thing where the o is in horror. That's a good idea. That's a good idea Anyways, I don't think it'll be anything more than a novelette or novella. Um, it's a really quick idea uh And I don't know what I'll do with it. I might shop at the tour or some of the other folks doing novellas I don't know I'll depends on how long it ends up being because I think there's another one under under under tow press That's doing these novelettes that are just super fucking short. They did one Nathan Ripley Uh, or sorry, Nathan Rabbum. Um, he writes under both names Uh came out with a I think it was like a 15 000 word book called help meet um Help me et Uh, and it's all one word. I haven't read it yet, but he's a he's a great author. Um, one of the more unique Thriller authors I've come across that that haven't gone into the surreal or whatever He's one of the only ones that in under he writes, uh under Nathan Ripley for those but uh with with his stuff I I find it extremely easy to pick apart Modern day thrillers for whatever reason maybe because I've watched a lot of tv grew up watching colombo whatever it might be um Matt lock all that shit, uh And I just I I foresee This shit coming and with his books and uh I'm gonna octar's books. I don't have any I've never had that issue So there's a select handful even the caroline ketanus the u-books I find unpredictable, but other people like normie's say that they're hella predictable. So I don't know. Good morning zeely Okay, so I guess what I'm gonna do is I'm going to uh, I have to go back and read what chad wrote Anyways, uh, so let's start off. I'm gonna share my screen And I'm gonna read what chad wrote. I'm not gonna read it out loud unless uh, chad wants to mute me um And then I'm going to layer as I go or whatever. I don't know it all depends on what it needs if it needs anything Um, and then I'm gonna start writing more on the chapter. I left off on Uh, in fact, I think that one's over. I'm not sure but anyways, we're gonna we're gonna get to work If y'all get into work, it's time to work You can replace the taboo letters with characters from another alphabet like from armenian or for persian Uh, but it has the same Phonic value I don't want to give people false expectations that that's what the you know that like those characters or those cultures will be represented in the book You know, and I just don't just want to take someone else's culture Just for like a letter. You know what I'm saying? No, but Hope that came off, right? That's what I wrote last time. All right, we're gonna go up here See what chad did a bunch of writing and blending Um rewriting all that stuff. So we're gonna start there With uh, this first highlighted bit You went back you went back and added if not that was one expensive bj Yeah, I think they're like $2,700 now inflation's crazy 10 That's I still love the idea of Uncle Dewitt getting drunk and trying to hop a train man Without without a running start. Oh, man. That is such a that is such an amazing visual Without saying shit else You just see this man leap toward a train to bomb. It's gone It's so good I need to make note of that We got to do something with that great grandma charles gold tooth. I love little shit like that Let it let it let it let it just let it marinate you fix that I stumbled all over my so I remember writing that line. It was all the kinds of backwards and forward And you mentioned the golden tooth on the windowsill again. Yes. Okay Do something about that? I just see someone getting the golden tooth in the mail I don't know what it's an image I don't know if I can make it work or fit or whatever, but that's an image that's stuck in my brain now Like at the end someone getting the gold tooth or finding the gold tooth at the end Maybe maybe he heads back home. I don't know. I don't know. Fuck it. I got other shit to do Well, he could he could when he's leaving he could be like and and just because You know to add insult injury or just because uh, I felt like it. I took the tooth too. Yeah. Yeah, I like that Yep, how fucking weird would it be if it like, uh, you know, the relationship with Sheena got so so far that he gave her a Promissary ring and he had some of the fucker make Since she's so weird and quirky Give her the put the fucking tooth on the ring So I can always remember where I came from and where I am Max we're both pretty quick. I think uh, I mean it all depends on how long the book is But uh with me I can do 50k in about A week or two something like that and that's a rough draft um But uh, I think Chad's a little slower than me, but not by much And because I spend he spends most of his time writing and rewriting as he goes But all my time writing is spent on the back end on rewriting So just cutting things out and adding to it. So if you want to consider that Into the process me and Chad are probably about the same speed I I would I would guess so let's say a 50 000 word novel will take me In total a month month and a half to to finish And to where I'm happy with it to where it needs to go to submission or editing or whatever About you Chad unless you're busy working. Yeah, it's no I'm not. I'm kind of reading along with you. Uh, it's um It depends on where my headspace is at at the time, I guess Uh, I can pull that off. I can pull, you know, do that in a month. There are books like deep water that I wrote in 10 days um, you know that that kind of thing happens Uh, sometimes I'll get those books like cannibal creator three smiles same deep water Where it's like I just they're done super fast, you know three three weeks. But again, they're only 25 000 30 000 words So, um, but that's you know fairly fast for me But I would say that you probably write faster than I do Anyway, well, I mean as far as a draft. Yeah, I'm faster than most people. I mean, I'm absurdly fast when it comes to I don't and also max do not Judge how you work based on the metric of how we work or anyone else for that matter. Yeah, no Do do what works for you. It doesn't matter how long it takes you. That's why you're asking Um, if you're just wondering and you're curious, that's fine But uh, just know that you shouldn't judge your own output based on anyone else's ever I've also been doing this since literally since I was six years old as far as writing writing professionally since 2001 2002 so, you know If you're just starting this journey Do not expect to have the same output or maybe having even a higher output right at uh, right at first Because you're just bursting with ideas because you've lived your whole life with ideas. Um, and you're just bursting with them And then it starts to slow down. That is completely completely natural. We're not all Stephen King We do not all have a novel a year or more in us And there are authors of higher renown who only publish a book every seven to ten years. So keep that in mind And i'm talking like big names like thomas harris the author of the cannibal Hannibal series Uh, donna tart winner of the Pulitzer or nobile. I can't remember which one But she's won numerous rewards. So and she'll both of them only write a book every seven seven to ten years It's rare that I fall in love with something that I wrote but this No, no, no, no, no, no I repeat the word in a stream of muttered utterances the single syllable blending into the next until I sound like an idling motorcycle I was just like, I don't know. Yeah, proud of that one No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, it it does that. Okay I just I always test things like that multiple times in my head to make sure I'm not forcing it Oh, hang on. I just I just realized something. Oh, you don't need to hang on. I just uh, yeah, I got to upgrade Hang on. I'm glad I remembered that Uh, choose basic No, not no, not Fuck off. Sorry Hi dammit. When they raise it to 25. Oh, well, it's whatever Uh Tell him I'll stream yard. Yeah Hmm. I just did it. I almost I almost forgot about it. I just got it So it would have cut us off. That's that's what I was I just suddenly I was like, I'm forgetting something. I don't know what I'm forgetting Like there's something weighing on my mind I think they give you a warning, don't they? They might I don't know. Um, I think I'm not I'm not paying attention to this screen So and I don't know if it would pop up for you or I don't I just whatever. Anyway, just taken care of Um, and it's recurring so, uh On the 9th of every month Okay Remind is bruce a dog or a cat. It's a dog, right? Dog, yeah. Yeah, okay. Any idea what kind? um No, I figure I figure probably I'm some kind of mutt some kind of like mid-sized mutt or something Mid-sized mutt got you because I'm I'm thinking about having I don't know. I don't know. So something's marinating Because shepherd and lab in them Yeah, oh, yeah That's a really cool dog. I had one when I was younger was a golden shepherd collie The beautiful fucking dogs Dude, this grave matters chapter is fucking on fire Yeah The description of the barn and everything is some of the best shit you've done It's impressive Well, the walls hang like the skin on a dying Dying man's ribs ladder to the loft and loft itself for sturdy Allowing us to climb and perch with no fear of falling through An old tractor rusts in the center of the barn Packed with hay where animals have built nests over the years There's a pitchfork stuck to the wall an old rope with frayed ends next to that There was another rope But we use that to swing from a tree out near the gravel pits It's that's that's fucking narration worthy right now like that's That's fucking sick And you would live motherfucker. I was literally just thinking on that to fix it Literally, I'm glad we got that on tape God damn it. Oh, that's crazy. But you were on fire when you wrote this Gasty's already got the top door open pass on the floor legs dangling over the edge I sit next to him and we stare out over the field as the sun begins to drop The tops of the trees across the field are painted in a sherbet orange Their shadows falling on the field like a black curtain 16 crosses made from twine and twigs jut from the long grass a good 30 feet from the barn Just before the field starts to turn a week old. This is Cassidy's graveyard. Oh, shit Oh shit, motherfucker. God damn All right Time taking so long. I'm literally reading some of this shit like three or four times That's cool, man impressed And a squirrel we could have used as a frisbee Oh Lord Lord Jesus What did I just read? That's amazing. All right. Yeah Okay Let's see Hey, you got me got me juiced up now shit perform Let's see here All right, I'm only going to take a break when I get back and we get to work Okay Hey, do you want to share yours while I'm gone or you just want to All right remove mine. Hey Alec. Sorry just saw you I've been working. There you go. All right Be back in a hot minute. I'm gonna keep any of it. I used the wrong kale. Good job Damn coming growling. Sorry guys You can even hear it. I don't know if you can Okay, good. I just told him myself then My stomach's doing the digestive mambo Okay I just finished that chapter. Okay The next one is will be where uh, is there a spot where you have have you written anything yet for uh, they're back at home and then they Travis comes back. Not yet. I'm finishing up the the night before that Oh, wait a second. No, wait, I For when trav comes back. Yeah, that's the coke and a smile chapter chapter heading So, okay, I see that I see that but I was just wondering if you would I can throw it in there right now But I was just wondering if you had a spot where Because we had fixed our timeline where travis and hunter are are gone and then they and then they first come home First come home. Oh before he calls the family meeting. No, yeah, okay. Uh, all I have is uh, Coke and a smile which picks up After they've all gathered Okay, to to hang out will not hang out but listen in man. I got I I got I think some amazing shit down here, but I'm not done yet. So Okay, I've got the uh, yeah kind of like the touching conversation It's not a long chapter. I didn't write a whole lot maybe You know three four hundred words or something but um Yeah, I just I'm I'm doing another flashback to mom and uh I kind of like a lesson learn kind of thing where a story that she told him as a child finally makes sense And I'm really really fucking happy with it. I'm not like I said, I'm not done yet But uh, yeah, let me let me get back to it. I'm sharing my screen now. Sorry guys. I forgot to share my in Um, it was supposed to be me today. Chan. It was supposed to be me Oh, you would you went on a break. So I know I know but I forgot to change it back over. I'm just picking on myself I get I did some foreshadowing I guess in the conversation Yeah, I'll go back and read it after uh after I get done with this and while I'm doing that, uh You can read the section I wrote unless you continue to work. It's whatever Okay, right now. I'm just gonna I'm gonna do the like I'm gonna Do the coconut smile get to that but right before you know at the beginning of that I'll have like Well, whatever they're doing and then trap trap comes home and then we've got the he calls the meeting and That's where all this awesome Hershey's kiss stuff comes in and yeah I still see that shit in my head every time I like at least once a day. I'm like that's that's a funny visual Anyway, uh Oh, I don't think I need to say any more than that. I didn't much but I fucking love it Oh Yeah, I really like this We gotta be over 10k by now. I think I wrote at least 500 words My maybe not that much. Please don't stop what you're doing to go check the word count Too late, dude. Fuck off, man That's what I'm scrolling down to see what we Uh I heard your mouse wheel go in and I was like this fucker. I wasn't asking. I was just wondering Damn Yeah, we're at 10,475. I thought so. I knew we put some stank on it All right, let's see what kind of chicanery you got up to in the barn huh Yeah, 1200 words in Yeah, I got more in me too probably after a break, but I definitely got more in me Dude, I love this line. I realize this conversation is headed toward deeper water than he can swim. That's this great shit Thanks I've to on I unhighlighted the stuff that you already read and then highlighted the brand all the brand new stuff Yeah, I got you. I'm already I'm already into the conversation In other words, hush for a second. Let me finish it. Let me enjoy it got down When I finally do wake up, dude, I'm I'm a goofy ass. So just ignore me The water rises still Dude, I got fucking goosebumps with that last paragraph Jesus fucking cries as the black curtain grows close closer. Sorry Yeah Why am why did I want to say closure? That's whatever as the black curtain grows closer closer As the black curtain grows closer closer closer to say fucking closer As the black curtain grows closer and the sherbet tip trees become nothing more than silhouettes We grow quiet my mind filled with a million thoughts Costum jewelry and blowjob vacuums Dirty dish water and the mothy dust of cocaine and most importantly How the hell to leave this shit hole? That's sexy Sorry I figured the I figured the idea of In the paragraph where Shane's all excited about Um getting cable and all the options that that he's gonna have. Oh, yeah I figured that that could be good for Just another like Pole tour, you know, like when he gets this keel, you know, maybe Shane will pop up and say So can we get cable and uncle Travis like hell? Yeah, we're gonna get cable And so this is just another thing that's like, you know I'm staying here. I you know, yeah I like that. I'm gonna I'm gonna read uh I'm gonna read what I wrote see how it reads aloud. Um, because I It's one of those things. Uh, so anyways, what I'm saying is you can mute me if you need to Where are you at? Um, I'm I'm only reading like the last Uh page and here where my cursor is. Yeah, it's cutting. Okay. Yeah. No, actually no above that And there's a whole bunch before that that I that I haven't read that that you haven't read It's just him laying in bed going to get a glass of water hearing what's all going down anyways Mom used to tell me stories before bed fantastic tales and amazing adventures Once in a blue moon. She'd tell me an old-fashioned fable without all the glitz and glamour and daring do One of my favorites was a simple yarn I swear I even told myself when I was typing is like spell it right Uh, a simple yarn about a man a snake and an eagle when something like this Man's cutting his grass with a push mower. He's whistling Dixie. That's how mom put it and having a grand old time It's hot but not too hot just perfect, you know when you're sweating, but there's a breeze that you feel But there's a breeze And you feel okay and and you feel like you're walking through cool mist This man's cutting his grass. He's minding his own good business when a snake drops from the sky and lands on his arm Dude pitches a bitch flapping and flailing screaming like his gonad just bursting the flames This snake he wraps himself around dude's arm real tight light And he's just a squeeze and fire out of dude's forearm and striking at the same time Snake keeps jerking forward lightning quick undodgeable jabs But luckily old dude has on glasses big thick ones lenses like the bottom of coke bottles with black frames The snake he's striking, but he's only hitting dude's glasses Dude hears a screech from the heavens and down swoops an eagle now this dude now now I need a comma Now this dude's got a snake on his arm snapping at his spectacles And an eagle slashing valleys like mountain crevices into his flesh The eagle's trying to grab lunch and the snake is hell bent on mainlining some That just mainlining don't need the some mainlining venom in the old dude's circulatory system And this guy he's just fighting to survive The eagle he finally clamps his beat the eagle He finally clamps his beak on that snake's head twist and pops the snake's head off like a bottle cap Snake's body goes limp lifeless and the eagle beats wings and flies away Taking the headless snake with it The dude who was simply trying to cut his damn his damn grass. He's standing there watering his lawn with the with blood With blood sluicing down and off his arm like a bobsledding team And he looks down at his wounds smiles and silently thanks the eagle I never understood that story like why does dude thank the eagle who's just torn the shit out of his arm? He should be pissed at both of them the snake and the eagle, right? Needless to say I had questions and my mother as ever had answers Not that I understood them at the time, but she had them It could have been much worse, right? My mom said smiling kindly patiently, but he still got hurt. I said, but he's not dead Only because of his glasses Not necessarily that snake. He might have struck somewhere else eventually It might have even been put it might might have even been poisonous Venomous I said My teacher said that snakes are venomous and stuff like road spray is poisonous Your teacher's very smart. She tapped the end of my she Yeah, she tapped the end of my nose with the tip of one glossy leaf press on and so are you After a moment of reflection, I said But the bird tore him up all up. I'd be mad But didn't the eagle kill the snake? Yeah, I guess You still don't understand why the man was happy the eagle came along It didn't sound like a question, but I shook my head anyway Sometimes when we're in trouble A bad thing can be a good thing I wasn't saying anything because I was trying to think of where to Put that in relation to is this in a is this something you wrote This is uh, this is the lights out chapter. I I first saw it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's a good spot Yeah, um, so it picks up right he snuck out to get a drink of water I don't know if you've read that part yet, but uh He sneaks out to get a drink of water. They're in the back. They're in the master bedroom partying Um, and then that that section the mom used to tell me stories before bed starts up right after that flower Allegory that I wrote um, and I was just building off of that With that story I literally just watched a tiktok this morning about this lady in sills v texas um who This literally happened to her But it was a it was a snake and a hawk And she was out she was out mowing her grass in her front yard a snake fell out of the sky landed on her arm wrapped itself around And started striking at her and her glasses are the only just kept hit going for her eyes uh cracked broker glasses, but uh Then this hot the hawk that had dropped the snake on her to begin with Came down and just tore nine shades of hell out of her arm. Um and Anyways, and then finally you grabbed the snake and took off and she was like, you know Uh, the guy asked her you met at the snake and she goes no no he actually saved my life. I'm perfectly fine with it of but I'm I'm sorry her arm Her arm was fucked up, uh All the way from here to here it looked like someone had chopped at her arm with a machete And it was anyways it was nasty. So I took inspiration from that and uh It is marinating and then I realized that I could use this For this as you know, sometimes when we're in trouble a bad thing can be a good thing And that's kind of a little more subtle foreshadowing other than you know getting the nail on the head kind of deal I wonder if too if um because I at some point I think we need to Like uh have Shane reflect reflect on the fact that he's leaving Cassidy behind And um, I don't know what your idea what you have for this like the it's obvious that this is You know supposed to represent something and I'm I you could you could be seen as um, you know Shane could think of the story now like I finally get it like maybe he thinks he's the eagle And the family is the viper Right even though he's got nowhere to go. That's mate. That's great. And it will hurt You know cat or it will hurt uh Cassidy to leave um And he won't understand right now But maybe he will down the road, but ultimately, you know, he can't do it anyway, but Yeah, take them away them or something. So I love double meanings here Because it can 100 percent mean that it could also mean, you know stealing the coke would be The coke is a bad thing also But stealing it would be a good thing. So I and I do wonder if like their first conversation after he leaves could be Cassidy mad because he didn't get his cable um Right right off the bat because the you because man you took the drugs and now they won't do the cable Or or he could or he could um, he's one of these kids like lots of kids where um Uncle Trav could say Every day for four years. We're getting cable and Cassidy will believe him every time. Yeah And just see, you know, yeah, we haven't gotten but uncle Trav says that You know because of this or we have to wait for this or you know, maybe next week or but we're getting it So he's still holding our hope and it's like Shane's just like dude It ain't coming right. Yeah, you know, and I think that I don't think we've talked about this part I thought maybe the family could argue a little bit about like Cocaine is their thing, but they also want money. So they're going to try to have some kind of um Rule, you know, like, okay, we'll use this much But we have to we can't do any more than that. We have to You know, they could be like a day after conversation We could open with that where Trav or Rita, whoever is like, all right, we had our fun last night Now we got to move this so that we can, you know Get rich or whip the fuck ever. Um, yeah, and even you argue from the get go have one of them maybe Maybe bethany or somebody argue at first To not do any of it and then and then it's like it's like haggling Yeah, because bethany hasn't used it at that No, she has you I can't remember if I had her use it or not, but we can change that I like the idea of bethany because I mean not giving her too much maternal instinct because she's on coke and smoking well, you know, the baby But also be like, you know, I want to get this fancy shit from my for my kid So, you know, you're not going to snort all this up. I don't I don't want to touch it at all Whatever thing but I also think that I had uh in the section where they When the during the family meeting I believe I changed it. It was hunter trying it, but I changed it to bethany trying it Um, just just to see if it was legit because she didn't believe and neither did Rita and you know anyways, but uh, so Yeah, we can keep that Um and still have her be like we shouldn't touch any more of it But they end up partying that night anyways Um, I don't know may Rita was already smoking a joint at one point in time that day so they could already been high And just went into it anyways. I don't know But like with haggling like yeah Someone's trying to convince the rest of them. Let's not do any. Let's sell them all and then they kind of compromise. Okay We'll only do this much and then maybe the next day turns. Okay. Listen after this much, we're done Yeah, and then um, of course by that time They don't have anything. No not not have say like that's a lot of coke to go through though We're doing a brick. That's a lot of coke to go through in like a day or two. So I mean that's like overdose Oh big time over those definitely. Yeah. Um, so How how much we only want one more day to pass right? Um before like they'll get it We'll get it late tonight that night and then they'll you know, um Okay, maybe maybe they don't even get a chance to do it the second day. Um Well, no, because he's because he's gonna be coming in late at night. That's what I'm getting at um, I could I could like foreshadow this with the there's a point in here where um, hang on let me There's a point in lights out chapter where um Shane sneaks into the living room to get a cup of water. He's not supposed to leave his room after lights out But he's thirsty as hell Can't get to sleep. So he goes out to get a drink and he hears them back there partying I could have bethany say something like we said we said we just like foreshadowed it's like Um, we can't be using all of this just like and then the next day We can expand on that and to have bethany, you know saying whatever about anyways, I'm agreeing with you I'm just trying to find the perfect place to put this Yeah, uh without running myself in circles All right, I'm gonna go ahead and take another break. I got some more words in me I don't know what they're gonna be but I got uh I gotta get up the back meat. It's robin. So I'll be back in probably 10 minutes guys Oh, you want to share your screen? Uh, yeah And I will try my best to remember Just switch it over. Ah, sorry. I didn't mean Hey, Joe Oh, good morning. Good morning, Joe. How are you doing? Good morning, Joe. I got my morning, Joe and it's good You want me to go back to sharing my screen? Sure All right Add to streaming and thank you for the uh Chairleading Joe. We appreciate it We have been busy beavers today I'm gonna I'm gonna flip this first one the house smells like dog here in laced reefer What do you think about that? I don't know I don't know why I want dog urine to come first, but I'm I'm gonna leave it never mind. I'm probably just being nitpicky There would be if he curls up on the couch that'd be four people on the couch Uh, no, Aunt Rita Is in in uncle Trav's chair because he's not home yet and Well that Oh, and I'm saying is down here. I got uh Shane Bethany and hunter on the couch That's fine. Well, I mean when they because they're not home yet. Oh, okay. I got you. All right They can tell Cassie that you know get on the floor, you know Or they don't even have to say that because Cassie knows by now Right somebody walks in the door. You get off the couch Sounds good. Oh, how many pages? Well, we got we got 30 pages but a couple of those are uh notes and later passages and uh plot Description It's hard. It's hard to count pages in uh In here because these aren't real Like pages pages, right? I mean they're like eight eight by 11 Got about a now and now let's worth of Of a book here so far. Oh, yeah 60 I just added that part, uh That's all you can eat under a book under mingo's character So we can use that later. Yeah, good idea This this just struck struck me. Um I don't know why and there might be a reason for it that Shows itself later, but I just added to shenna's character profile Um, not sure why but I feel like she she should always have a copy of the wasp factory in her back pocket Some odd reason that book in particular and I don't know why I don't know if you've ever read that one, but Oh, what's it about? Uh, it is about a young I I I know I don't want to spoil it in case you ever read it, but there's a reveal That the main character isn't the it's like it's like the ending of a crying game. Um, isn't the gender you think they are? yeah, um but it It in such a way that they find I believe they find the body part Um at the end. I believe that's to adjudge. It's just for the two for you but Um, I was gonna say you're like not to spoil it, but I'm sorry. I just fucking anyways Um, I thought it I thought it was rather obvious, but again things I I find obvious aren't that obvious to other people but uh Yeah, it's it's I think it's uh Irish Ireland um, I think is Where it takes place and all I really remember about it is these wide open fields like rolling hills kind of deal and uh, the I think the relationship between the teenager I do know that the uh, the the main character is crazy like uh Got like serial killer vibes kind of deal As long as it's not catcher in the ride No, uh But they couldn't stand The Irish Times called it a work of unparalleled depravity I don't know if I agree with that, but Have you ever read Lolita? Yeah, unfortunately Oh, it's not a good book It I bought a copy earlier this year Um, I I have an issue with books like that That uh, even though you understand and it's very obvious that uh, Humbert Humbert is A monster, you know, um It's still Written in such a way that really affects me because Humbert the main character Is in love with this young girl. Um, yeah, I really don't know much about it I just heard I just heard a little bit and I never I I never Ever read That synopsis to a book before I got you Because then I enjoy, you know, like I enjoy it more I know that's why I was I was kind of cut off guard when you asked me what the wasp factory was about I was like, how am I going to tell him anything that That would you know, wouldn't be a spoiler about any of this story Um, so that's why I was having I was struggling with how much to tell you and I ended up fucking up anyways Um, yeah, alex said lolita is a beautifully written book, but it's a disturbing read Of the disturbing part for me is how much He does love lolita like he does That it's the affection and the the care And but he's still a very very sick man um And there's a book that I read that I had the same feelings for beautifully written absolutely hated it though And that's my dark Vanessa. I can't remember the author's name, but it's pretty much a lolita, but from the girl's point of view um, and She I think she starts having relationship with this teacher. He's in his 40s. I believe he's when I said I think I think he's in his 40s um, and she's I believe uh I can't remember. I think she's 15 at the time anyways, um Yeah, I believe it's Kate Russell, but uh Anywho And the descriptions of this sex scenes With this 40 year old man and this 15 year old girl are written Where it feels Like the author was going for erotica um And because it's a it's from a young girl's point of view and the romances eyes Romanticization whatever of this relationship. I mean she eventually comes around and understands what happens What happened, but uh at the same time Those scenes man. I cannot I cannot read I can't get behind Writing about such a relationship tenderly Um, and that's why when I did it with the bedding of boys I also made her a serial killer because I didn't want anyone to get it twisted that you know, this was a terrible person um, and the the scenes that do involve Sex Are written in just to disturb you, you know, it's very obvious that this is wrong. What is happening is wrong um, and in those two books that I mentioned Lolita and my dark Vanessa It doesn't feel that way because the characters at the time don't feel like there's anything wrong So it's written in a realistic sense at the same time That stuff makes me sick. I I can't read that stuff. I can't watch that stuff um, I even have a problem with uh, what was that Jonah Hill movie about the 90s early 90s or something like that I can't remember but uh the There's a kid actor. He's probably like 12 or 13 at the time and there's a girl that looks like she's about 16 or 17 And I don't know how they got this proved but the boy Touches her breast on camera. It's covered by a bra, but he still touches her and That had me shaking in rage um, and I ended up turning it off but uh Yeah, I can't I can't vibe with that shit. Um, so while it is beautifully written. It's what I'm getting at um I would I I'd never recommend either one of those books to anybody so And my review was bombarded by Women Saying you don't understand how attractive older men are and how they can get under it's like I do understand and that's why I'm upset I if you guys want to read that stuff. I understand it for solidarity and all that stuff I get it But at the same time I can only be honest in my review. Was it well done? Hell. Yeah, it was well done Did I enjoy it? Fuck. No, I didn't anyways I think the biggest reaction I ever got to a uh To a review was my review of game of thrones and mentioning if you ever want to see women come to bat for a uh Come to bat for statutory rape Go read the reviews of game of thrones And everyone loves the relationship between 13 year old denaries And 30 something called rogo They find it romantic and how they they come together and they're like king and queen for a while and I'm just like Don't do this and everyone's like, well, this happened back in those days. Yeah, but this isn't earth. This isn't You know, this is a whole other place called westeros. We don't have any place called westeros here That's one of the reasons why I don't like Modern fantasy Very much is because they all play off the same themes of Pillaging and rape and sexual violence and all that I I don't I don't mind that in horror But in fantasy I want to be taken out of I want to be taken out of the world we live in, you know, I don't I don't want those same problems Yeah, that's why I don't like to read uh I don't understand why someone would want to read or write Anything that's like covid related after you've all been through that and I know that there's some books out there and it's like What I don't just want out there right now that people are DNFing because it's just like covid this covid that it's like dude we're trying to you know Too soon Yeah king is going to have an issue Because the holly book is a pandemic book. So there's going to be plenty of people that's that's going to get review bombed I know it is I'm of I'm of two mindsets first off I don't want to read about it at and second I do want people writing about it. Um, so while I don't want to relive all that bullshit because we're pretty sure that's what killed my mother She died february 2020 of an unknown respiratory illness Uh, and then when I spoke to the respiratory uh Specialist that was seeing her dr thrasher over at jackson hospital when I spoke to him Um months months later my niece works up there. So I was up there with her spoke to him and he said He said she was probably the very first case we had in mongomery um in in this area so I was I'm way too close to that shit to enjoy something like that, but at the same time I mean It was a major event that needs to be documented so, uh And it'd be like, you know writing about you know the 1940s without mentioning world war two is how I look at it Um, do I want to read that right now? Hell, no, but I do Think people should be writing these stories It feels like horror is really the only genre that's acknowledging the pandemic and fiction I'm sorry about your loss. Thank you. Joe. It's been years and I'm better, but yeah, I haven't been the same since Oh, I'm I'm sure holly will be at least decent because it's holly I love pure escapism fiction, but that's where I'm at with my life right now, too so I'm sharing this screen. I'm not doing anything back in black Jack had a snack I especially love uh escapism movies Like I don't want anything like realistic in my movies right now Oh, I was just gonna recommend a movie but that I saw yesterday Best movie I've seen all year, but if you're not looking for, uh, yeah realism then Well, just tell me what it is. It doesn't mean I'm gonna Not a brand new movie called I had to watch it for my podcast final guys Um, it's on prime You gotta rent it for like six bucks or something. It's called the passenger and I didn't know anything about it. I didn't know if it was haunted house or alien invasion. I I didn't know anything um Going in which is the way I like to read books and particularly watch movies so Man, yeah best thing I've seen all year by far Amazing amazing. It says passenger official trailer or zombie No, no, no, no There are a few few uh, it's 2023 movie. Yeah, that's the one I'm looking at. Um, hang on It's got a red cover. Yeah, I see I see that but what's coming up for that trailer is it's got a van on the cover A van with headlights Anyways, I'll I'll I'll watch the trailer See if I can figure out which one Hang on a man is forced to face his fears and confront his troubled past that sound familiar Uh, yeah, yeah, okay He must find a way to survive when his co-worker snaps and goes on a final. Yes. Okay. All right Maybe that's what they mean by zombie. I don't I don't know. Um Because it's the same it's not it's not even close. I don't I don't know why the the trailer down here says that Um, because it's it's the movie you're talking about. Oh, I love this fucking actor I love that dude. Um the one with the facial hair in this He's a great Everybody in this movie is absolutely amazing the cinematography the soundtrack. It is amazing And it's very edgy your seat. It's also a little bit of a slow burn in parts because it's a it's a character Um Like character study kind of Yeah, so so good Oh interest Elba. Yeah, I'll watch that Um interest is my uh one of my wife's hall passes. So she'll be happy as hell. Oh my god. Thank fuck Sorry I just got approved for something that I have been Desperately waiting on Oh, congratulations. Absolutely desperately waiting on fuck. Yeah. All right. So we're good for the rest of the year Whoo Praise pickle bearer jesus Oh Oh, that is a weight off my chest Hell you look good. Hell you Just making sure you know your stream is still off If you you don't freak me off, that's fine But I'm just you don't have to if you don't want to Good to hear you. Thanks bike You getting approved for that bad dragon sponsorship Bad dragon sounds like a strain of weed Oh good. I can go get some gummies speaking of weed. I can go get some gummies Oh Fuck yeah, man Thank you Jesus Thank you It's 300 less than I thought but I only needed I got a thousand extras. So if it's 300, I'm still up seven. Okay, cool I'd smoke that I smoked that for a dollar. Dude, how do you feel? I'm sorry to bother you, but How do you feel about robocop? I haven't seen it since the 80s damn Like I was thinking about that was another one of those movies that uh it was so Like high budget low budget Kind of thing, you know, it's so well done Um, and I was thinking about all these movies and everything that I watched as a kid that actually hold up um nowadays like predator uh monster squad Robocop, um, and the list goes on dude like beetle juice, you know a bunch of weird shit that we don't see Uh, uh big trouble in little china all that stuff. I'm just thinking we need more stuff like that I want more Big budget low budget big budget movies with low budget ideas. Have you seen uh This isn't really in that realm, but uh, have you seen cycle gorman? Yes, I have. Yeah, I I enjoyed it for what it was but the and I'm I'm probably gonna get in trouble for saying this The little girl annoyed me Um growing up my gosh, dude. I knew I'm falling guys And final guys that was our 100 absolute favorite character. Uh, yeah, I figured everyone she was hilarious loves her And I knew a girl like that growing up that was just like the biggest fucking bully And I don't know it's something about her voice and it just absolutely the way people feel about the little boy in babadook Which I enjoyed because I thought it was realistic representation of a kid like that um My uh my sister has a kid like that anyways, but uh I would take the kid from babadook a million times over before the the girl from uh cycle gorge You I think you're alone. Yeah, I know I'm alone. I know I am trust me. I understand completely. Um And I got in trouble with in my review too. It's like, you know, like strong independent. Okay. All right. I'm sorry. No That's not what I was saying at all What I was saying was that she annoyed me because she reminds me of someone that I hated Well, the guy who did cycle gorman is doing a uh, what's supposed to be another 80s type thing that that is more like uh critters and ghoulies Ooh, I love me some critters. I'm sure it's probably got a ton of It's probably got a ton of uh uh like uh Practical effects and all that kind of stuff in it. Yeah Hmm I agree the 80s were basically weird ideas for movies getting big budgets exactly and we don't do that anymore Like they don't throw enough movie at weird enough money at weird shit And need more weird shit I think I'm gonna dig deeper for it. You gotta get dig dig deeper for it and hit the indie movies Yeah, which indie movies has always been Mostly better. I mean with the exception of some, you know, great movies that are You know big blockbusters, but Of course, I'm I'm I'm not a superhero guy at like at all the only The last superhero movie I saw was the first iron man And I've only seen I don't know how long ago that was a while ago But no, that's not true. Um, my youngest wanted me to watch garden see the galaxy with him So I didn't watch that but I haven't seen any of the other iron man's or Thor or All these other marvel and DC movies. I've I've watched none of them. I can't stand them I will say that I have finally gotten tired of them But those shits were my jam for the longest time just because like I said, I'm in that escapism Uh time of my life and I just want to have fun. So that's literally one out of a movie Um, and I was surprised at how deep some of them got of course The majority of them are not deep whatsoever. There was some really really good character development for certain characters That that absolutely broke my heart when bad things happen to him like Wanda and uh, vision There's several several things like that and the Wanda vision tv show just fucking broke my heart but Other than that, we haven't watched anything else since in game. Um We we used to watch every single movie the day it came out and now we're just like Nah Oh my my oldest went to go see the Barbie movie We were expecting like some kind of uh Fanning at the at the end, you know when they got into the car screaming hooting and hollering Uh, but we asked them how How it went and they're like I liked it, but I cried a lot. I'm like you cried a lot in the Barbie movie and uh Supposedly the movie is surprisingly deep. Um, it's got a very strong feminist Theme to it. Uh, and it's all about just building people up um And some of the messages they really hit home for them So I was like damn. I wish I had watched it, but they wanted specifically they're 18 now They wanted specifically to go out by themselves Um, and they didn't want any they didn't even want to set the movie theater seeing a different movie They want to be dropped off and you know we come back and pick them up and uh So I was I was proud of that they want to do that because they have really bad anxiety. Um, and it went really really well And they look they absolutely loved the movie, but said it was an emotional roller coaster I'm like I was just expecting, you know goofy Mattel shit, but uh, and I was thinking about it And I don't know if you feel this way or not. You probably don't maybe I'm thinking too deep into it But I kind of hate that when women's Like childhood stuff like their toys is made into a movie It is so much deeper than any of the shit that we get we get like gi joe movie that is just hollow empty bullshit We get transformers even the he-man adaptations just utterly vapid bullshit Um, and it pisses me off that you know If you want if you have something that's directed at boys Give them something a deeper experience than what the fuck, you know, they're used to um Or you know something along those lines where you know the character has aged With the fans, um like barbie, you know, some so many generations of women have grown up with barbie. It's a staple um, but I mean we could I probably wouldn't sell very well don't get me wrong, but we could have a gi joe movie about a A veteran with ptsd, you know, we could we could have something deeper in there than just Bullshit fluff, um And I might be alone there, but I would love something like that uh Like having like breaking down in like a transformers movie What makes you human? You know, what what would be the difference between these machines that have emotions and feelings and you know Their own thoughts and loves and hates and all that stuff what makes that any different than than humans that kind of thing Um, but none of these things go that beat My complaint about the barbie movie is that it feels very toothless in any criticism it tries to provide toward matel Um, also the pacing is odd and certain plots Are resolved without feeling earned That's fair enough All I all I can go off of because I haven't seen myself is uh, how my oldest felt Yeah, bumblebee was bumblebee was good. You're absolutely right. How like but any of the ones that are just any of the main mainline movies I would love that i'm rewatching star trek's next generation And there's a lot of that with the characters data data. It's data. It's they call them data anyways Okay Um, I don't think I have anything else left in me. Um Okay So, uh, I know you're I know you're snacking but uh, take your time. I can talk with chat Uh, to be honest, uh, though super proud of your kid And if they loved it, that's all yes. Yeah, they did they they truly had a very deep experience with that so But uh I love everything we've done today Everything like we got some real progress going And then tomorrow we can tackle At least either I can start or you can start. I know you're you've been layering I I want you to be able to write one of these new chapters. It seems like you keep getting I keep pushing farther ahead and you keep, you know Coming along not coming along but uh Haven't spending so much time having to blend and fix what I'm writing Well, probably uh You're fine dude. Take your time. Nobody's in a rush. I was expecting this to go three hours. Anyways at some point today, I'll probably uh Finish the seam. So, um, the two things can be merged together okay, um Yeah I'm super burnt out today still trying to get work done. Yeah, I slept really well last night but it was only like four or five hours sleep and uh Then I woke up and I felt like I had been stoned last night. I haven't had gummies in two nights. Not to the sunday um, I felt like I was You know, like you wake up and you're still high after a night of whatever um, and so I was really dragging my ass around um even Through my laptop on my bed and flopped down in the bed And then she'll goes are you okay? She's like she's just waking up. I'm like, no I don't want to be awake. It sounded like a fucking toddler But uh, yeah, that's why I took yesterday off because I was just mentally and physically just completely spent uh, I tried to write I got a new uh novella novel at something that I'm writing called folk horror And I got a considerable ways into it, but Halfway through the first chapter I had changed the main character's name Um without even realizing it. I just started calling them something different And then I went back and wasted so much time rereading this trying to figure out where this new character came from And then I realized it's the same character. I just Called them something completely different So I had to go back and fix all that and that's when I realized I was like, yeah, I'm calling off for tomorrow I'm uh, I'm telling chat. I can't do it I've only done that one other time And that's why I took a break because the last time I did something like that It was burnout so But I don't have any feelings of burnout while working with Chad because I mean we're still progressing moving forward And Both of us are writing so no matter what the word count is getting bigger Uh, even when some of even if both of us only did 500 words, we'd still add a thousand words to it So this is easy. This is light work. It's my own work that's suffering because I'm like, I don't want to do to I was on the heat a lot. Yes. Oh, that'll do it That'll do it I think I might need to just get rid of this. Uh, no, we might still use it There's a later scene down here concerning Cassidy stealing baking soda and or cornstarch I don't know if I'm gonna have this and them send him off if we're gonna use it or not um But that was just me trying to get Cassidy out of the out of the house so that uh Shane could find the earring alone Uh, but that's that's taken that's taken care of now Yeah, I'm very happy with this I knew today wasn't going to be a big word count day for me Because but but I am happy had I had I not also here's another thing that I love about working with you, Chad is that When I'm not feeling it like this morning I wasn't feeling it. I didn't want to write a word and then I read your stuff and that your stuff is so fucking Motivational, it's like good music and when you're a musician and you hear good music Or you're a songwriter and you hear a good song You immediately want to go pick up your guitar or get at the piano or whatever and write your own And that's what happened today. I got in here read what you wrote and what you were writing and I was like, oh, hell Yeah, let's let's go. Let's go. Good art makes good art So I might just read later. Yeah, I'm uh, I started broad street bastard last night. Um only got like three or four pages And then I passed out. Um, but I mean folks, it's boring. Don't buy it. No I'm gonna dive into it as soon as I get done here. Um, and I didn't want to I was just so fucking tired Uh, because all of Chad stuff starts off and it's just like we're already in it. Let's go Uh, that's how I feel with your books. He When I'm lacking motivation, I pick up the sound of broken ribs and read another chapter. That's awesome. Thanks, Joe Appreciate that. I love that book. I love the pacing of that book. There is not a single moment where something isn't happening So much so that I didn't put chapters in it I just put page breaks because I didn't want anything distracting the reader from part one and part two Um, other than part one and part two where it's like, this is where I want you to stop I might have page breaks and you can stop if you want to but this is where I want you to stop And then the next one you got to do that one at full speed too so I love how that book feels like a an hour 45 two hour movie. That's just intense all the way throughout. I'm very very proud of that book And that's one of the biggest compliments I've got about it is the pacing so But anyways, anybody here got any questions or anything for us? Uh before we go anything y'all want to say? Because you're fully tired and I still got to go grocery shopping also, thanks everybody for hanging out with us and uh, yeah Writing with us or doing whatever you guys are doing while we're over here banging on the keyboard I got a comment the other day about the asmr quality of your your clickety-clacks. So uh, you're making people happy I've also gotten several comments about how Motivational and inspirational these streams have been So I'm very very happy. There's a fantastic idea. It's Chad's idea for anybody who doesn't know it's Chad's idea He snuck it in on me on a live stream. He was in chat and he was like, uh, you know what? I think would be really cool if uh, you collaborated with someone live And I was like, oh, you sneaky fuck. Are you are you offering again? Are you offering again? Come on hit me with it. It's like, yeah, I am offering and then then I missed his comment And like 15 minutes later he comes back and he goes since you didn't read my comment. Here's what I said I'd love to do it. So this is a hundred percent Chad Uh Anyways, but I'm having a blast man. This is I'm looking forward to this every day that we do it Uh, I'm off to get ready for work, but you two have a good rest of your day. Great job as always. Thanks Joe Uh, you have a good one too. Alec Uh by Viking is there anybody else in here? There's six people in here, but I don't know who all is in here I think it's just Alec And everyone else that I mentioned. Oh Jayrod. I don't know if you're here by Jayrod Uh Chad anything you want to say before we go? No No, no words of inspiration. No, uh, no until more people can find you He hate he hates that. I just like picking on them about it. But anyways until next time guys All hail the chair