 Hello everybody, I hope you're all excited and ready for our Wednesday live cast. We have Lorraine here and she's going to get her reveal done and learn all the secrets we have found. And then down below me, of course, you guys know who David L. Lambert is and we're going to do the introduction and some questions for him when we get to that part of it. Now our captain, unfortunately for Lorraine's week, had some personal stuff come up so she didn't make it this week but that's okay because I have all our notes so I've got it covered. We're going to be doing great. Now to go ahead and start out before we get any further for those of you that don't know who we are and why we're here, WikiTree is a community of genealogists who work together on a single family tree. In other words, we collaborate to grow an accurate global tree that connects us all and it's free. The WikiTree challenge is our year long event and part of our year of accuracy where each week we take on a guest star, a genealogist guest star's tree and we collaborate to make it more accurate and complete than it is anywhere else. We hope that's our goal. It's to improve our accuracy on WikiTree, add more family connections and make more friends and that we've certainly done this year. So this week we worked on Lorraine McGinnis-Schultz's tree and we're going to take a look and see what we found. Now we're going to start out here on the McGinnis line. We unfortunately, this was looked at but we did not find parents for Joseph McGinnis. He was born about 1825 but there was no proof for where in Ireland. So we did find a probable migration record for him where he traveled to Canada with two adult females in 1846 and I'm not sure if you had seen that. His daughter Bridget would have been with him. She would have been quite young. The rest of the children of course born in Canada and we did find that there were nine total children born to him in Upper Canada. So hopefully this will eventually lead to more clues on where he came from but we just didn't have enough going forward with the records that we could find to prove who his parents were. Those tough ones right? Yeah, yeah definitely. Now they did make a correction on Harriet King's line and records prove that James King referenced as a direct ancestor was the wrong one. So a lot of work went into looking at the sources that were available, what the possibilities were, they've been added to the profile, the ones that are correct and it turns out his parents were William King and Margaret Claude King. So that gives you a new name to play with. Definitely. This one was interesting. I don't know if you've seen, yeah I've seen this story. Have you seen this one? Oh yes, there's many articles about that. We'll tell everybody that didn't get to work on your tree and this was about her great grandfather Stephen Edward Peer, now he had an altercation with a neighbor over the outside water source in his house and it was a water pump that was owned by the landlord, right? Yes, yes. And they got an argument about it, the neighbor's son came out to try and help his father with the fight and Lorraine's grandfather was hit upside the head. Now they said it actually fractured its skull so at first when I heard oh he died a few years later I thought well maybe complications but I guess not. He came bounced back from that and unfortunately, yeah unfortunately didn't survive the case of TB tuberculosis that he got a few years later so but sometimes it's you know if they don't do anything bad at all they may not be out there where you can find them so we like finding those stories. Yeah, yeah he was in the hospital for a long time. Was he? Now we didn't research the volupline and not intentionally this week we were supposed to be staying away from that so we did but I just wanted to point out to some that there were some ancestors however that were already present on wiki tree. Now Ava Hendricks Vroomen was on your primary tree and a lot of the ancestors on that line were on your tree but we have her as the daughter of Hendrik Vroomen and I'm going to say this wrong. Genetgen Vuters there are already eight additional direct ancestors past her now this work was done by the new Netherlands project and you'll want to look at those profiles because they've done some really yeah they've done some really incredible work on them and some of those profiles date back to 2011. I'll take a look. Stuff to add to your notes. Yeah. Now here was somebody we did find. I love that picture of that church it's just so beautiful. Parents for John Fuller your fourth great-grandfather and they were found to be Josiah Fuller and Sarah Honey Fuller. Now he was born in 1729 in Kent. He married Sarah in Maidstone in 1746. His occupation on the in the poll books was listed as a farmer. So there are now six new ancestors past John. Oh wow I'm really excited about that one because that's my mother's maiden name so that's kind of important. Oh great yeah that's real important. And I know how it is you know when you're into genealogy at all you wind up helping everybody else and it's so hard to get back to all your own branches I have branches that haven't been worked in so long. Yes absolutely. Now this one was just kind of fun. This was also on Mary Ann Casple's line we had a few things on that line. John Casple born before 1780 won prizes for growing pears and potatoes from the local horticulture society in 1847. He lived to the age of 75 dying in Ramsgate, Kent, England. I just thought it was cute and you know there were articles and stuff on him getting the best the best six pears and the best wrapped potatoes and yeah and you know what I had to look up what a kidney potato was I was like what's a kidney potato I know there's a lot of kinds but I guess it's a rich buttery flavor and a great texture so that's what they say. John Casple was a shipwright who married twice and fathered at least 15 children so those were some of your your Casple people. Yeah that's great that's really good it's gonna be so much fun to look at this later. Yes you'll want to slate lots of time for that these guys these guys have done awesome. Here we have on that same line we have Captain John Moses now he was born before 1676 so he's back there a ways he's your eighth great-grandfather and he has a family crest and a memorial slab in the church in St. Lawrence in Thana in Kent on a slab covered by the seats shows this coat of arms of course and they give the description for that and it says here lies ye body of Elizabeth wife of Captain John Moses who died June 28 1735 in ye 54th year of age and likewise here under lies ye body of Captain John Moses who died September the 22nd 1733 he was only 36 years it says and then it listed their children but I did find somebody that had some pictures of some of the actual crests in the memorial slabs when the team member was telling me about this that had done all the research on this line but unfortunately he didn't have the one for John Moses so I was hoping he did maybe I can get him to go back out there and get it or something he's got some beautiful photographs and just really really amazing photographs and the stained glass windows and stuff in that church are amazing I miss my chance to go to Ramsgate a few years ago oh no so is that gonna be slated as a future trip now not now with my physical issues but that's okay I'll do it vicariously through other people yes that's what you do get other people interested and just tell them now go look here while you're there and take pictures go take pictures you had a number of people that were living in Ramsgate I'm skate yes yes so we had also on this same line now this was fun parents were proven for and bird doused that was your fifth great grandmother she was born in 1764 to Steven Bird and Mary Bolsford she was the youngest of their six children so she was kind of born a little bit later you know in the the parents life there are now 24 new to you ancestors on that line yeah so you're gonna have fun looking through that and those parish records incidentally were in fairly good shape I mean I was it's always a nice surprise to get in there and find out you know they're not water damaged or the pages haven't crinkled away half of them or you know these were just really really great records to read so I think you know once you start looking over this line you're gonna find that you can extend that quite a bit more now I'm gonna be busy you're gonna be very busy here we have a connection made on the Elizabeth Allard line now this resulted in documented parents for Elizabeth Monday Drury her father was Norton Monday the son of Thomas Monday Norton married a Jane Cook in 1676 in Y and it looks like they were there in that area for several generations in that same parish they had two known children Norton died in 1726 being about 70 years old good more goodies to look at yeah you know and one of the nice things too is the most of these guys are so great about leaving notes so you know you may get on the profiles and you'll see a bunch of extra research notes and they'll tell you where they look and they didn't find anything or why they decided certain documents were relevant as opposed to other ones so those things too can help you with your your research on this there just wonderful yeah that's great here we had on Sarah Steads line the parents for your fourth great-grandmother Mary Ansel Elvery now I know we had several people on this line for more than a few days so trying to straighten it all out and it wasn't wasn't necessarily your stuff but we found some of the stuff that had already been entered on wiki tree wasn't quite where it should have been so there was a lot of time you know cleaning up and making sure we improve that quality sure Henry and Sarah married in 1770 in sandwich can and they had at least four children and those records whoops as you can see there those records were really nice too they were really really legible now here was something else that we do sometimes we like to do space pages and when you play on wiki tree for a little bit you'll find that you know not only do we love that white space on the profiles where we can write out everything and add pictures but there's also what we call space pages and it's just a big empty page page so we can go in and we can do like a full whale transcription so that it's not you know cluttering up a profile we can pick a location or an occupation or something and expand on it so one of our teams member went ahead and pulled together some information about Ramsgate and then start they started linking your ancestors that are there on that page so you can go to it and say oh and this one was there and that one was there it was pretty cool and they say William Henry Williams your third great-grandfather spent most of his life as a fisherman there but worked as a woodcutter later that's kind of an interesting change it's a change yes several famous people lived in Ramsgate including Vincent van Gogh in 1876 so it's pretty it pretty amazing place it's beautiful no Eileen was telling me about the kidney potatoes they're also known as Jersey Royals cool they probably have more I've seen them I just have never seen them called kidney potatoes no I haven't either now we're gonna go ahead and talk about our collaboration just a little bit here collaboration is the key during the challenge and that's what wiki tree is all about one of the ways we collaborate is we use a spreadsheet as you see on the left when you get 25 we get 45 sometimes it waivers you know participants working on one set of branches it's really easy to step on somebody else's work and accidentally make them lose data so we use the spreadsheet like that and we list which ancestor we're working on and we take that ancestors name when we're ready to go for dinner break or done for the day another way we use our collaboration is in the g2g that's our genealogists to genealogists forum where we go out and we take your post and we can put brick walls we found which is the main thing we put there some people don't like to use the chat rooms so they'll go ahead and put their interesting finds or their questions there they it helps us quite a bit and Lorraine you'll get a link to all of this stuff more than because I know you're gonna have a lot to try and remember what it is you want to look at and not look at but I will send you the links for this and then the third way that we collaborate during the week is discord and this is our biggest one this is so important this is our live chat that goes on during the week and as we're a global site I mean people are chatting in the rooms around the clock there's always somebody up working on the tree which is great so you know we can go in here and we can ask for translation help we have people that do nothing but look up obituaries or you know we have somebody that he just loves to do the will transcriptions and so he does those for us sometimes we just cheer each other on and you know see what everybody's doing whichever way we do it this is our discourse been big for us this year and while it's not about the points they do help us stay motivated and it kind of gives us a way to keep track of where we are with our progress now they get points two different ways for the first brick wall ancestor we find on any given line they get ten points for the nuclear family so that would be siblings or children they get one point each which those can really add up though depending on how big the families are you know how many kids they have and at the end of the week we look at the total score so the person with the top score is our MVP our most valuable player we also like to acknowledge the you know top five completely this week now we had a hundred and ninety bounty points so there were other people that were responsible for some of those but these were our top people overall now number one was Maddie Hardman with an incredible almost 1000 edits and you'll see how much of a difference that made in a minute way to go Maddie that was just amazing and you know the other thing I noticed here you wouldn't notice but I did is that I see several of our captains that hit that list this week so way to go guys now we had top scores and our Maddie was Donna Bowman and she'll be a captain in an upcoming week Joan Whitaker heads our England project she's a captain and Browning she was pulled in as our big guns this week to help with some of those England profiles and she's just been an amazing help and then Janet Wilde also with the England project is also a captain so that's just unusual we usually don't have that many captains at the top and now we're gonna go ahead and take a look at the score she which I did not bring up okay and I guess we'll leave it up there so you guys can see it I'm gonna zoom in just a little bit now these are the things we look at so total points are any points that you got period for adding those ancestors and doing what you're doing and there was a total of 611 points this week which was a really good score now created ancestors those would be those direct ancestors only so 106 direct ancestors added now I know you had some of those on your primary tree already but some you didn't and all put together 106 direct now the nuclear family that we were talking about 315 people so 315 profiles just for that in one week I tell you these guys just blow me away every week with what they do for brick walls they found 19 brick wall ancestors 19 so they have 190 points there pretty crazy huh I got you a lot of them were on my English lines because I haven't done much on them yet so this is really cool it'll be exciting it'll be exciting you'll love it and then the next thing we have is profiles edited now this is our unique profiles edited every time we go in and you know say we change the date we outsource we correct something may not give us points otherwise but that's considered an edit people went in 845 different times and did something to a profile within a week and that's on top of their research and then this is our biggest number the final one and this is going to be total edits now this still doesn't take into account people that do stuff like the space pages I told you about people that are just looking up obituaries and stuff like that that they aren't getting points for there's a lot of other things that go on but for the people that did get a point for every time they did something or you know an edit point three thousand three hundred and thirty three edits during one week just for your ancestors so I think that's you know pretty impressive of our people it shows their their commitment and their their motivation definitely so how do you feel about our discoveries are you is it what you thought it would be it's more than I thought it would be and yeah I'm really excited about it to take a look I did have one question like I looked at some of the English ones just because I was so curious and most of it just looks so great that you know sources and showing where they found this and why they didn't think it was the person I thought it was or why they found a new person and that was really cool I can hardly wait to get into that I did have one though where it is incorrect and it's a very common incorrect person in my tree very common to make that mistake and I have all the proof that there were two people by the same name and whoever edited it and changed it thought it was my woman but it isn't so my question is when this is all over said and done do I just change that back with my sources that prove that I have the right one you can either do it or you can give me or your captain the information and we'll do it I mean we are here for accuracy so yeah definitely do a shout out if something's not right we want it to be right as soon as I saw it I was like I should have known that would happen because all the family trees online think she was this person who died in 1890 but she isn't so I'm not surprised but I just want to know how to fix it so okay phone yeah but other than that I mean it looked so exciting to me I was like oh this is really cool I you know one guy had somebody I think it was a guy had or maybe it was this Joan lighting because I know it's her name a lot and they said well we found the will for this man that she thinks is her ancestor 38 and he doesn't mention those kids so we're pretty sure it's this person and I thought you know what I think they're right I think they're right so I need more time well I'll tell you what if we could have just kept going on your your tree we always have this at the end of the week we just want to kept going but the week goes long for you guys it flies for us it just goes by so fast it's crazy well it's gonna be really fun and I'm really glad you guys asked me to be part of this I'm gonna show you just some of the differences and what we did now this is my of course my fancy fan chart and if any of you don't use a fan chart each one of these rings represents a generation so this is not ninth generation the text in there is what already had on her tree so every one of those yellow spots is where there was an available brick wall ancestor there was not an ancestor on that line and that's what we focus on you know of course we focus on accuracy getting out to him but then we just dig in and do the you know research really hard to find that and to show you what we really started with this is all we had on Winky Tree when we started this was it and that was because there was another member that's not part of the challenge and she went in and had added some of those branches on your maternal side or else it would have been quite a bit quite a bit smaller yes yeah yeah and so now here's the final this is what's on Winky Tree now and so it's obviously not you know the 510 ancestors that you could have it's not filled all the way in but you've got some really good sections that reach way out there to ninth or more generation and so you know hopefully that gives you once again good kicking off places to be able to add to it you may already have information on some of these in your own personal files quite a bit fuller yeah no it's great it's really great very impressive anybody else have questions for Lorraine for we swap over to Dave they're just saying congratulations to Maddie so that's okay now we'll go ahead and and David Allen Lambert once again with ancestors from Canada England Ireland and the United States his captain's going to be Christine Daniels she is excited and rearing to go and let me tell you a lot of our participants are too we always have that overhang where we have some that don't quite want to leave the last guest and they go ahead and keep working on that ancestor they're stuck on and then the rest of them that are just like ready and excited to start with a new week so you know it makes it a lot of fun now David has been on the staff of any HGS which of course is a New England genealogical society historical society since 1993 so that's a long time he is their chief genealogist he's an internationally recognized speaker on topics of genealogy and history he's published many articles he's published a guide to Massachusetts cemeteries he's an elected fellow of the Massachusetts Historical Society in Boston and is a life member of the New Hampshire Society of Cincinnati and I'm sure there's other things that aren't on that list that you've done but I just hope they don't put them all in my obituary someday because they'll have an extra length you know when you start doing it for a long time ago it you start to join things a lot so it's it's been really fun I'll tell you I was just really reveling in all the wonderful discoveries you made and I must say that I'm it's just like genealogical holiday coming in September with all of your researchers and the wiki triers I'm really excited about this very much so yeah we are too and you know it is like that to us because we get to give this gift and to us that's what it is you know we want to give you this gift of hopefully information that you didn't have already you know and it's just so much fun and you know we get to do it every single week and we've been doing it all year long and it's just amazing well you know the thing about working at any HGS for you know 28 years now it's like I spend my whole day helping other people do their own family tree and you know after you're working eight hours nine hours on genealogy sometimes you don't want to go home and work on your own so I would do it when I went to Salt Lake City or a particular place like say I went to London to the archives there so I would pick it up in dribs and drabs so I must say that I probably did more of my own genealogy before I worked at any HGS and the 28 years since I've worked there so I'm really excited to see what everyone uncovers yeah Dana's out at the audience too what an incredible gift she says I can't wait because she'll be next up after you now we did already have some people that are piping up in that in that discord chat room that Melanie was talking to you about and Lizzie Griffith she's one of our our experts and amazing in her projects on McEatry she says David's fourth great-grandfather James Lee who's not on McEatry yet was actually neighbors with my fourth great-grandfather James Bickerton and a little village in Cheshire in 1841 how cool is that Moe neighbor that's amazing yeah that would have been Brevardton comes Smithwick in Cheshire my grandfather was born in Nantwich England came over as about 10 years old to Canada my mother was born in Canada so on one line I'm a first born American on the other side my mother's mother's side we've been here as early as 1629 haven't found that Mayflower line yet but who knows maybe we'll do that yeah she she was surfing in your tree and she found a census that she already had saved on her tree and she's like oh wait I got a look at this profile that's that's the extra points right there by association right the fan approach I know right I got something better for you see people are going can we do interesting stuff before his week even starts we we have a participant Robin Baker she has and I saw this she really does have it at 30 year old letter from you to her aunt Ellen about a shared ancestor Timothy Ingalls you had been looking over the family microfilm and wrote to her because he was a mystery so now have you found out more about him well I can tell you that Timothy Ingalls is actually the ancestor of Laura Ingalls Wilder he was born in 1720 and there was some confusion between him being of one branch and another they kind of move around a little bit on the early genealogy so yeah I think I found it back to Edmund Ingalls who's the immigrant into Lynn Massachusetts but nice to meet another cousin yeah she says it turns out her great great grandmother was Laura Ingalls Wilder's aunt that's so small world right very very small world especially with the Bickerton's and Browerton comes method which is about the size of a postage stamp so that's amazing and then we always look at the relationships at the start of the week we like to do that I one of our little cold toys on the tree of course and we love our widgets and our apps and people spoil us there we have fun stuff is the relationship tool so we can quickly just look in a snap at how are related so you and I are ninth cousins three times removed and then yeah see cousins and we look at that at the start of the week and then we look at the end because of course the more people you add to the tree the more cousins you get on there the more likely you are to make a connection even closer so you know we look and then we follow that during the week and that's kind of our own little checkpoint and say am I closer nope still ninth cousins doesn't mean we're doing anything wrong but you know what I mean it it it's it's exciting when we're doing that and all of a sudden you jump a couple of steps you know exactly so that's great oh here yeah here's Chris that you know oh hi Chris David is connected to me via the Pillsbury line I will have to confirm this and send him some biscuits hi cousin they are just all so excited about it I'm tickled tickled tank I mean it's really exciting like I say you know when you're doing it for so many other people over the years and not really spending a lot of time on your own this is like the best gift ever so I'm really excited this is like waiting before the holidays and what you know what am I gonna open up and find so I'm really excited for next week okay and now we'll go ahead and we'll do your actual questions since we kind of did everything out of order here but it's just been so much fun looking at it and so what got you interested in genealogy I was playing hooky from school I don't know if I'd say playing hooky but I was home from school seven years old my grandmother my maternal grandmother Lillian live with us and my uncle was returning a published genealogy book and he as he was taking his coat off he handed this book to me and within it like something was sticking out it was a metal tin type photograph now at that point in time I had never seen a metal photograph and I turned to my grandmother because she was the older person in the room I said Nana what's this he goes oh that's my father well we had only lost a goldfish at that point in time I was very lucky and I said well can I meet him well he was born in 1848 a little hard for me to meet him in 1976 and she showed me where they were in the genealogy book and she said this is my father and mother and these are my oldest two siblings I said well Nana why aren't you in it because I wasn't born yet he kind of stopped right there and so by the way there's a story in here that's not in the genealogy and so what's that because my father was on a whaling ship and I said what because we had just learned a child-friendly version of Moby Dick by Melville you know where the the whaler and the whale became friends and I was like so no pun intended I was hooked and I've been stuck doing this genealogy now for 40 gosh 45 years so before the internet before DNA was a part of it so that's how I got started yeah back when we were all going to the courthouses and looking at microfilm and you can just hop on the internet and look at 10 sites I wish now who is your favorite ancestor if you had to pick one well I mean I always like to say mom and dad but in case of ancestors like ones that I never knew I would say Henry poor he was born 200 years and eight days exactly before May on June the 20th 1769 and he was the son of a revolutionary war soldier so he would have known when his dad marched off the Lexington and conquered and with the idea of you're always discovering something new I found out that I've been lecturing on the war of 1812 now for well over a decade and it turns out he was a 44 year old artificer in the war of 1812 was in the battle of Plattsburg and I've been doing military genealogy for years so I always say oh yeah you never know when you're gonna find something new that was Thanksgiving last year for me he traveled to Canada he was married a couple of times he was a cabinet maker he had a very interesting life and I think if I got the chance to meet anybody Henry would probably be the one now do you have any interesting stories to share things that you've found out about those those ancestors well I mean with genealogy I think every little tidbit beyond that dash on the gravestone is a great story what family history is all about I think finding that I had a couple of oil lines was fun I have Thomas Bradbury and our personal role we go back to Edward the first and have some earlier lines from there I think finding like the stories that connect people like for instance my own wife's family lived on the same street as my family during the 1850s probably about the distance of about three houses so did they know each other that was fun finding connections in my DNA with my cousin Jim Lambert who lives in Brooklyn New York we share a hundred out of a hundred eleven DNA marker why DNA markers and his family and I have mismatches about 500 years but he's the only closest relative I have I mean the male line of my family is pretty daughtered out if you will so finding those connections may it be DNA or looking at old documents I mean there's just been so many of them but finding the muster and I'm not the muster all the diary of Henry Porter's father Jonathan poor walking about the British regulates firing upon him and then being at the same archives and so would you like to see the oversized documents I said what are those they were his actual certificates for his blanking on it right now I cannot believe I'm blanking on he was promoted his promotion documents signed by his officers so I have all of those wow so that was amazing so it became more than just a name on a gravestone physical documents associated with the person it's great stuff okay and when did you first discover a wiki tree probably at roots tech the first time you folks were there I know a batch of the people on your team over the years and you know I just get sucked right into want to know what it was all about so I would say as long as you've been going to roots tech I've been why watching what you're doing and of course you had my partner in crime with extreme genes Scott Fisher yes or and Scott was singing your praises and the next thing I know I'm talking to you and I was invited to be on and I was tickled thinking now that we're right about the cusp of learning about my own discoveries next week I'm really really happy and excited great now what are your current what do you consider your toughest brick walls well as I said to you at the get-go Mindi I know a lot of times your wiki tree is looking at great grandparents my biggest brick wall is my own paternal grandfather James Albert George Lambert born on the island of St. Pierre McLeon his father's actually Irish from Nova Scotia it was a merchant and his mother was from Newfoundland James married my grandmother New Brunswick they immigrated to Boston had a batch of kids including my dad and then he became a bootlegger and in and out of jail I had a very colorful life in fact my tree that I put on ancestry has every factoid on him but in 1953 he disappears and I know that there's not a hundred and thirty four year old grandfather roaming around so he's my biggest brick wall does my own grandfather well I can tell the participants I'm not going to let you edit that profile anyways but what you can do because I know there's somebody anxious to work on this now probably several of you is that gives a great thing to start a space page over go ahead and put your notes on what you think happened what you found that way we can review it at the end of at the end of the week now what do you hope to see of participating I think you've kind of already answered this in the challenge well you know I think with genealogy it's like I love to make discoveries for people so getting these discoveries presented to me by many genealogists from all across you know the globe I mean like I say I have grandparents born in four different countries technically is really a gift that I can't repay and other than I'm gonna help you folks out and I think I'm gonna have to learn about all of the fine things you do and volunteer because one of my colleagues I understand is involved yes Melanie are you volunteering are you starting that space page she goes yeah that's a great idea she's been wonderful I know her week hasn't come up yet either so but she's been been participating and she's just been a joy to have in the group I know extremely helpful I know she's been a joy to have on the staff at the New England Historic Genealogical Society in Boston since she came aboard and really really delighted to be have her as a colleague okay do we have any other questions I know they're gonna want to know can they use pictures you have some amazing pictures on your primary dream anything you'd like we like to glam up the profiles if we can so you know just make them so they're personable yeah now I'm really excited about it like I said I've tried to add you know as many documents and I you know well reviewed some of my lens because just like anything on online it's like you try to put in as much as you make your discoveries but sometimes we have those notebooks are like oh yeah I get around to it so I'm sure you'll make some discoveries that I haven't even tried and like I say the biggest part of my tree that I haven't spent a lot of time on is the Atlantic Canadian side I mean I've done a fair amount but getting those across the pond to Europe has obviously been difficult like my Lambert succumbed over in 1793 from Ireland there's my own grandfather from England I mean and I've tried to push back as I far as I can I mean it's easier to find my new England English ancestors in the 1600s origins than it is to find her right English ancestor in the middle of the 18th century and push him into the 1600s or her into the 1600s so I'm looking forward to what you can find and since I already have a Bickerton neighbor there I think I'm really a good winning chance and then of course your other wiki tree or whose aunt I wrote to 30 years ago I'd have to see a copy of that letter I want to see what I actually wrote but I know obviously Timothy Ingalls but that's great amazing the thing somebody saved my letter after 30 years well it must have been in the family research stuff it's in good shape it's in good shape I know you have nice writing by the way well the idea was I've been a lot of bad penmanship over the past 45 years and I don't want someone to pick it up and see what is he writing right so I tend to print more than I do handwrite but I think I'm okay it's legible I hope yeah well we'll have to get a copy of that to you that that's got to be fun to look at something that was written that long ago yeah so once again we just have a lot of a lot of cousins and hopefully future cousins here that are really excited about looking into your tree and you know I know they're anxious to go and over probably talking already in the discord letter well I'm really grateful and in advance thank you and on behalf of my own family and my cousins that always are lurking over my shoulder what you find now they're gonna be equally excited so you're not just helping out one person in this immediate family you're helping out dozens upon dozens of cousins that have been helping for years so thank you well we certainly hope so I want to thank you David Lorraine both of you for letting us play in your branches and for coming on to the live cast thank you for all the guests out there that are watching this you know if you weren't out there viewing us we wouldn't be making the live cast so and then the participants I just have to give a good hats off to them because they just amaze me every single week with what they find and what they can do it's incredible so go ahead and check us out at wikitree.com you can like and subscribe to receive alerts for our channel here and I guess we will say goodnight we will be back next Wednesday