 Okay, I lived there my whole, not my whole life. I lived there. I'm from Pretoria. Okay! Oh, whoa! I got a friend named Ben Diesel who's gonna love this. Okay, so yeah, yeah. I wish I knew some more, like, local trivia to throw out, but no. Cool. Like I said, if I'm gonna talk about really anything you want, I'm Thai, by the way. Nice to meet you. Oh, Conrad. Conrad? Cool. Nice to meet you. And Lupa's the dog? Yeah, Lupa is sure Lupa. All right, so normally the conversations we have are like anything that's important to you. Is there anything that really motivates you? Anything like you've wrapped your life around? Like, yeah, like a philosophy or like something that you strongly believe to be true? Anything like that? Those tend to be more interesting conversations. We get to talk about the news, we can talk with TV shows if you want to, but like something that like really motivates you, like you centered your life around that'd be like a really cool thing to talk about. Wish to disappoint. I'm feeling bad to disappoint you, but I don't, I don't really have any philosophies that I've revolved my life around. Okay. But I mean that's one of, that's a philosophy. I like that. Can we talk about that for like five minutes? Yeah, here we go. Okay, so cool. Flipping over the hourglass. Anytime you want to walk away, it's cool. But so you said, are you saying then that you really don't need the philosophy to live your life? Very, very true. I don't need the philosophy, but then there's another philosophy in itself. That's true. So what would you say is the reason why you have distance where you don't need to have like a explicit, you know, philosophy to follow? Maybe it's comfort. Confidence? Comfort, comfort. Comfort. Maybe, maybe a little bit of confidence now that you said it. I feel like it's, it's the fact that you're comfortable in where you are. Okay. Yeah. I mean, even not where I'm, I was two years ago, two years ago, I was a student in Istanbul, in South Africa. Oh, wow. Really? I'm from, I got friends in Petoria. Oh, okay. I lived there my whole, not my whole life. I lived there. I'm from Petoria. Oh, okay. Oh, well, I got a friend named Ben Diesel who's going to love this. Okay. So, yeah, yeah. I wish I knew some more like local trivia to throw out, but I guess then do you think then that someone needs to have a philosophy to live their life? It seems like you're doing well without it. I mean, I definitely think people do need a philosophy to live their life and all people revolve their life around living around the philosophy. But I feel like it's, it's, it's the, for some reason, I apologize about this, but for some reason I'm coming back to about like the believing in religion. Sure. It's a philosophy in life and living your life around it. And married to someone who is a religious person, she does revolve her life around it. So the fact that I can live mine necessarily close as close to hers as possible without revolving my life around philosophy, you know, kind of makes me more confident in my philosophy. You know, what do you have to say? Why do you think some people cater towards living towards a dogmatic point of view of life? Like what benefit do you think your wife or your partner gets out of that? Comfort, like I said, comfort, confidence. Is there a chance? I want to throw something out and I'm just spitballing here. I like to just, so no matter what you had, we would talk about, I always just like gently challenge it no matter what. So like if you told me you like potato chips, have you tried pretzels? So like, why haven't you been convinced of your wife's philosophy, I guess then? Because we've only been married for a year and a half. And I've only known her for five years, which is a really good thing. Yeah, that's good. We've known each other for a long time, married only two years. And I mean, you never know what happens. I mean, I would say, you know, you have to open up your heart 100% to get there. So that's probably the reason why I haven't, because I have to open my heart 100% to get there. If you open up your heart 100% and does that necessarily make her belief true? Like would you want to believe it if it was true? Like is that like the limiter? Say you open up your heart and you believe it, but then you realize it's not true. Would you still keep believing it? Oh no, definitely not. That's living a lie, which is not living around philosophy of being confident in yourself and comfortable because you're not comfortable right there. Okay, okay, okay. You know, you don't live in an uncomfortable place. I mean, I'm not going to believe in something just because someone else puts me in an uncomfortable place, you know? Then how do you figure out if something is true and if something's not true? Yeah, I see if they open up your heart 100% which means... Is that a good, reliable way to figure out if something's true? Oh, they see that's the big argument, you know? It's like does it because that's what I tell myself as well. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that is a big argument and you're totally correct. Just believing in it 100% doesn't make it true. So, you know, that's where the whole problem with does he exist, does he not exist come from, you know? Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just because you believe in them 100%. Is do you think I don't know is a good answer for that, at least for now? I feel like that should be forever. Until you meet them. Until you meet them? Even if I meet them, I feel like there could be a hallucination, right? I know, right? Okay, so the way how I think about it, and I'm just throwing this out, like if I had a coin, right, and I flip it and it's heads or tails and it's on the back of my hand, and I don't know if it's heads or tails. You know if it's heads or tails? I think it's heads. You think it's heads? Well, you can think about it whatever you want. This is America, you can think whatever you want. But like thinking about it doesn't make it more likely to be heads, right? It doesn't, exactly. So I think at this point until we have better information, I don't know, might be the best answer. Exactly. That's my philosophy. What do you think about that? Oh, that's definitely a good philosophy, because that's what I always say, it's my philosophy in this, and you did start off with this and I told you I have nothing but my philosophy and that, not in life, is if I live a good life at the same principles and the same values without following. Right, I understand what you're saying. You understand? Yeah, I get it. Same principles, same values. Without letting someone else think for you. Yes, exactly, there you go. And I said like, what should I have to lose them? Because I haven't, they're immediately rejected. Yes, I have not graciously accepted either point of view. I'm more in the middle, but then person in the middle can't always be a winner, you know, you have to. It's a very confusing silence and it makes everyone kind of like nervous because anybody can be in the middle then. Exactly. Everybody be in the middle then you have to choose a side, and I'm still in the middle and I should choose a side. I feel like you don't have to choose a side. Why do you have to choose a side? Because then you're going to live in your life, always looking at both sides and being like, oh, you don't know, it's always a little bit of I love to hear what you think about this from my perspective. If I only care about believing in true things, I'm only going to wait in that middle round until someone has better evidence. I think that's the most valid place to be. But that said, there is a third point then, there's not a middle then. Oh. Then you have to because the middle means that there is a truth to both sides, don't you think? There's a side to both sides that you can decide and know which side it is, which the third place would be where you don't know and there's no facts to back up either side. So just so I get this right, there's a chance that both sides might be wrong, like the both extremes might be completely wrong, and that the most intellectually honest position is just the hey, I don't know until I have better evidence. Which is true, and that's the third round, which is not on the fans, but then there would be a fence for both sides as well. So there's two fences instead of one fence. So there's two fences. Okay. So we're out of time, but I appreciate it. Of course, man. Conrad, thank you so much. It was a great having this chat with you. Of course, man. Ty? Yeah. Yeah. If you want. Good job. If you want, you can take a card. I got, I put up all the rest of the videos that I have with other people, and if you like them, check them out. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, man. I'm coming to you. Oh, I think you're going to hold. You have an idea. You too. You too. See you.