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Uh, win you are first up with some big news I am and in fact that that that affected you personally it affected me personally So if you are a resident of arizona colorado in georgia You can now along with the folks in my home state of maryland add your state id to your google wallet and yeah I I I mean that's pretty much the story But I did in fact try it And I had a horrible time because I tried it on my pixel fold And as michelle let me know in the pre-show is that there is something in the support about it not really working on foldables But I did eventually get it working And yeah, you will now be able to have an id in your google wallet It doesn't have any pid on it other than your first name And it does it is a more more of like an electronic id where you can scan or have a qr code that You know someone can scan to get your you know to verify your identification And yeah, it was absolutely horrible because I did it on my fold I did it from the inner screen and basically what happened if you follow me on uh, I clean code monkey at math it on that social you might have seen me rant and basically live blog the uh the whole Experience of doing this and if I show you what it looks like right now You might guess why I had a hard time on the pixel fold because that's half the id real big And then the other half is down here. So can you scroll? Can you swipe up to it? But just like a lot of this yeah Wait, wait, wait for a second. Is that actually the colorado id with a no So it's like google doing like a doing like a stylized Thing it's sort of like no, we don't have rams. I think we just we don't have rams Although the maryland one does have a blue crab So our audio listeners it is a illustration of a mountain and a uh, and there's a screen and a a ram with the rounded horns on its head Right, and it's as colorado Colorado and there is a state c on the corner. You can't really see it because the focus is not right Is any of your information there? It isn't just actually my first name is so again largely my first name It's hard to see is in here in plain text But there's no like actual, you know numbers like my actually my license id You know the date of expiration and validity any of that is not, you know, visible The person that is scanning your id will only be able to kind of pull up your information and verify this id if you scan it there is There is if I scroll back up one of those, you know, uh Wireless tap to tap to pay or tap to Read icons and there is a button for a qr code somewhere. Oh, yeah at the very bottom Yeah, because my understanding right now the only application that this is valid in is with tsa Yeah, pretty much. Um, so like if you get pulled over and a cop is like, let me License license the registration, ma'am and you pull out your pixel fold and show him your ram, right? You're you know, that's gonna be a problem and in fact one. So the way that it works Is that first you get a scan you have a scanner which is the size kind of like when you scan anything else these days On the web or whatever it gives you a rectangular Camera view where you basically center your id The google scanner will kind of identify that you have an id Take pictures of both the front and the back and then you actually do kind of like a video where you turn your head different ways Because there is a there is some service verifying that id with whatever state you are a resident of So how to do all that and then it uploads that application to a state service and then it takes a few minutes for that to verify So yeah, when I scanned it the reason I had a problem was the scanner Was halfway off the edge of the pixel fold like it basically it was scrolled halfway off And it doesn't work that way. Uh, the scanner just wouldn't complete wouldn't complete and identify the The my id when it was scrolled halfway off and that is what michelle was referring to saying Oh foldables don't support this which I think is bullshit because it does support it It's just you didn't make the screen work for you know the pixel fold So it technically does work. Um, and I actually redid the whole thing on the front screen my pixel fold Anyway, it works. We're going to talk more about foldable software later in the app section Especially this is going to be a foldable show But like I feel like this story or like the context of the story is going to play out We're going to be in a foldable transition state for the next what year or two Yeah, yeah, and it's crazy because the rest of wallet is Gear towards large screens. It's got the nice split screen view. It has a lot of work done it done for it But this one particular flow Got missed or was rushed out or something and yeah, it sucks Uh, and and this is a software issue. It's not a hardware issue. Which is why I think it's bullshit But um, but actually to go back to the point and some people are asking Oh, can you show this to a cop when I completed the application? It specifically said, hey, don't ever hand your phone to anyone Which is it which is I kind of mentioned this to like my old work buddies and they're like Well, I don't want to hand my phone to like a police officer, you know, rightfully so and you know Just to back that up google does say hey, please do not I mean the future the future of this is similar like so currently when I commute to new york city I ride the long island railroad where I buy a train ticket on my phone And there's a qr code and the conductor comes sometimes and with his phone Scans my qr code to confirm that my ticket is valid So like there potentially could be a future where a cop pulls you over for speeding and then they scan your qr code to Get all your information. Um, yeah, so exactly how If they envision the standard to be like when they say don't hand your phone They're basically saying you don't need to hand your phone. Yeah, I'm just scan it You can just show the qr code. They can scan get the info. Yeah, just don't hand your phone over Yeah So, um, well interesting. I I would love to have this for new york purely to see what the uh illustration is for new york so like You know because often because oftentimes with new york they either go with like the city or like niagara falls Right. So michelle. I'm sure with texas. I mean, there's there's lots to the to mine there for the for the illustration, right? So All right, cool. Well, uh, very exciting about that. Uh, sorry you had our time But i'm glad it's working and now you can use it when you next time you fly you're gonna have to report about how that goes I will because lord knows the tsa agent won't know what to do with it when you show them the qork Hopefully denver will denver Is it is is an awful place because they're over packed But they tend to be a little better about the technology stuff, but i'll i'll try it next time The the jfk tsa agents don't want anything different No, just please don't be don't be clout. Don't be mr. Clever man Aja or 884 actually had a question that I wanted to you know address um They mentioned that you know if it has a qr code the restaurants scan that to verify your age to serve you And the answer is actually yes, that's one of the things that is allowed by this standard Like oh cool and actually pick and choose what information to show So like if you have your mobile driver's license and you can scan it you can have it just basically have a yes or no Is this person over 18 or is this person over 21? So you don't even have to give them like you're like normally if you having them your plastic driver's license You're giving them your name your address and all sorts of other information But with this system you can potentially only give them, you know, whether or not you're eligible to You know, yeah, it actually um when you try to show her right now Yeah, so when I hit the qr code it actually did send me as like as you mentioned michelle a wizard that kind of walks me through it and it does say That when I do scan it a little bottom sheet will come up and as you said review the information you want to share sorry and then You can do the thing. So yeah, absolutely It's it's all other than the fact that it should support large screens It's you know, there there has been some thought um as you said behind this and Hopefully other things to use it on other than tsa All right. Well, we spent much longer on that than I thought we would but it's still pretty cool. It's the future Um, all right real quickly another story and michelle you're gonna have to correct me what I get wrong or what I miss on this one but uh, uh, yeah, so, uh Android safe browsing is just another reason why android is making the world a better place, right? So, uh, android safe safe browsing, uh, is is a new feature that's developed Inside android, uh, it operates within the support of google play protect and integrates with a list of supported apps Provided by that feature and there was some conversation on the google news telegram channel that showed where you could find it Um, we're basically if you go into more security and privacy in uh android settings Um, and you see android safe browsing, uh, and basically what it will do is it explains to you That it will alert you to any security threats of any websites that you visit when you browse with supported apps So it's important to note that this is an api and the app that you're using needs to support it So likewise like obviously chrome is using this api and you go to a website with malicious stuff or or uh bad stuff It will alert you when safe browsing is turned on. Um, they have protection for live threat protection Um, uh, and you know, again, you can manage all of these all these settings within there Whether you want it on or off And you can say to turn it off or turn it on etc Um, and it's just another way google is working to keep you protected on the internet, which is a scary and dangerous place Um, michelle, I miss anything else on there No, that's pretty much it. It's as you mentioned It's an api for apps to implement because there's no guarantee that every user is using chrome, right? So if they're using a third party browser and they tap on a potentially malicious link within some third party news app If that news app is using the android safe browsing api, which is part of safety net Then they could have that um, and they could have google, you know Check whether or not that link is malicious and then warn the user appropriately Yeah, if you ever notice sometimes apps don't necessarily kick you out to chrome They might open their own version of the web browser So that allows these little in-app web browser to take advantage of that Which is a good thing because that could totally happen because unfortunately a lot of us apps Not me personally because i'm in a bin right now But a lot of apps do you still do a lot of stuff in the web like authentication, which is well And that's a thing it's like a lot a lot of apps a lot of apps have their own browser within the app Some use chrome as that browser, right? So like it's embedded some don't I don't know about you guys, but I always Look for the menu button to choose open in chrome and get out of the app and go if you're sending me to a web page I want to be in chrome because I want all my password things to work I want all my autofill stuff to work and so and another reason is to be protected So I try to do everything in chrome as much as possible. So All right, cool. All right. Uh, well, michelle you broke some news on twitter, right? I broke news I don't know. What did you do? Yeah, so I found that um google is adding native support for a feature called repair mode into android And this feature will basically create a secure environment that protects your privacy your private data when your device is being repaired So basically what this does is when you enter repair more when you enter repair mode android will create A new data image and it will reboot with the existing system image So basically what you're doing is you're simulating a factory reset So you're not actually resetting everything on your device Your original data is being kept in a separate location But you're essentially factory resetting it and then you're putting it into this repair mode And then you can hand it off to the service center and then they can do whatever they want with the device They can install diagnostic apps. They can you know run tests on the device And then once they're done they send it back to you and then you exit repair mode by entering your lock screen credential your pin or password or whatever and um Samsung devices have had this kind of feature for a while called maintenance mode and google is basically Implementing the basic like they're implementing everything you need to make this feature But um, what's missing from the android source code right now is the app itself that actually puts you into repair mode And there are hints that google is working on their own version of this feature four pixel phones in the upcoming december feature drop and basically all the bits and pieces that other oems need to add Their version of this feature is being added into the source code of android So potentially we could see a lot of devices gain a similar feature in the In the future I love what you're reporting michelle and like how it works by utilizing dynamic update system with the good with Being able to kind of like just basically use the same You know original image along with the fresh I'm sorry, we're getting a little technical detail But the way that it's done is really clever basically is what I should say It is going to so much so much detail But it uses the same system that allows you you to do dynamic updates, which is so freaking cool I wanted to ask you how so they just reverse that or you reverse like the So usually when you come when you bring your phone back and you take it out of our pair more It just reverses it into Does it like say so it just saves your user data and then loads the original sorry. We're getting into technical detail It's really cool. It's really neat. It's it's just clever as as clever af Oh, there it is clever af So what I'll bug you later after the show. I'm just nerding about I was just reading it It's just nerding out about it's just really cool. Sorry. Cool. Well, that's why we're here We're here to nerd out about this stuff that's cool about android. So it is the right appropriate spot But yeah, so well, you know, it's even cooler than ron right now with his glasses Is our patron pick because guess what every week we pick three stories We post them on our patron for our patrons on monday and you lovely patrons who we love for your support get to pick Of the three which we talk about this week And Ron I'm not logged into patron. So you're gonna have to read the other ones that should win for me So, yeah, so so the patron pick uh coming in last Was the fact that androids near boy nearby share is being disabled for work profiles That only got 20 of the vote. Michelle. You probably voted for that because nearby share is near near to your heart. I know, right? Um 32 of the vote coming in second was samsung might go old school with the galaxy z flip 5 retro edition Which is very cool. You should go check that out But the winning story when that you're gonna talk about here is the fact that uh, google Google app shows smart glasses with assistant. What does that mean? Yes? What the what? So, do you remember at google 2022 where we saw a really cool demo of what looked like The next generation or the next version or the next iteration of google glasses where they actually had a pair of glasses doing live translation between a woman and Someone who spoke a different language and having the transcription or the trans the the translations rather appear You know a r style, you know within her field of view and then you know They we didn't hear anything about it this year 2023. They were Oh, sorry. She turned on bad g Um, and then yeah like this year in june There were some reports that they had cancelled this project which is called project iris And then there was another report in august. Well, maybe they're still working on it But they're kind of shopping the idea around the different oems and partners for maybe a 2025 release. Well I always love it when things are found out this way So I believe with it the 9 to 5 google team was poking around in the strings Which are basically like little the little any kind of text that is in your app comes in a strings file And someone found a string that referenced Project iris so the name of the string kind of like the idea the string was something something iris And the text of the string was quote just touch and hold the right temple to talk to your assistant And so this seems to imply that at some point they're working on iris and working on a Gesture on the glasses where you touch and hold your right temple to activate assistant So put in the sure lock and everything together iris still a thing And it looks like they're already working on gestures and activating assistant via these gestures So there's your there's your super tin hat e but cool glass wearing e But not really tin handy because it's in the strings right, but yeah It's in the string But I guess the question here is whether or not google will go down this road themselves with the hardware Or if this is being done Because there's an oem or a partner who's developing the glasses And they want assistant on there and they're like gonna let someone else Do the hardware piece of it and try to get out there and oh assistant will work on it You know and honestly it could be one of the two, you know Oh, we already know that they're working with samsung on an xr product Like that's been announced and teased several times So we know they're doing that We don't know if google plans to release their own hardware anymore because there have been like rumors that Will they won't they and you know, where's where they going with that? But you know, we're working on An xr os and they're working with samsung on some kind of product. Yeah, so Start putting pieces together with that tin hat and there it is Yeah, and eventually it'll turn into a real hat like a pinocchio thing. I don't know anyway, but I gotta say is that if if another Google glass like device by the way, these are just dumb sunglasses. I bought it Walgreens. They have no functionality They do nothing when I tap them if another google glass type device comes out You will only get me wearing it and Reacting to it on camera if it's unlocked by patreon We're gonna make that a goal We're gonna make that a level like if we get x number patrons or whatever it was Then you get my reaction to whatever the new google last thing will be All right, y'all are warned ahead of time. I didn't get nearly enough royalties from that clip Fun times, uh, see now if berk was here he would have been playing the holy cow sound effect Which I don't have so I don't have any there. We should does he still have it somewhere? We can like ask him to email No, we don't need it. We don't okay. Um, all right. Cool. All right. Well, uh, yeah Go to patreon.com slash android faithful sign up become a patron you can vote every week But now we're gonna get into hardware because Michelle, I don't know about you, but has it been very difficult to keep your mouth shut Because it's been very difficult for me. Yeah, it really has I've been wanting to talk about it for so long. All right. So let's let's get into it So the the one plus open Was released to the world last week on on and I realized I got to pull up my photos Which I'll do it while we're talking about it But so the one plus open was announced that they had a launch event on october 19th One plus's entry into the foldable marketplace going with the full-size fold Standard similar to the pixel fold or the samsung fold not the flip standard like the flip or the motorola razor And going on the high-end side of things Um Michelle and I got to hang out in new york a couple of weeks ago at a briefing from one plus which is pretty rad And uh, we also got to take home devices and we've been put them through the paces for the past couple of weeks So i'm going to pull up my photos. I took with the device But michelle why don't you why don't you kind of start with your main takeaways and stuff and show the phone off a little so All right, so just for a little bit of context the previous device that I used with the galaxy z fold 5 That was actually my first time using a book style foldable in a long time So just coming off of that and then coming straight to this it was such a huge difference like the z fold 5 In comparison just feels chunky. It's so heavy in comparison And even that's not even as heavy compared to the pixel fold, you know in terms of pure weight I will try I will chime in on the on the form factor itself And so I was going to plug it later in the show But I went on benefit of a dowd with our good friend adam dowd and um and talked about this over the weekend So you can go check on his show But he had the pixel fold and the samsung fold next side by side with the one plus fold And I gotta admit like and I haven't like when you've used the both the samsung fold and the pixel fold as like daily drivers I haven't had the opportunity to use them like more as much as I use the one plus open But I gotta admit I feel like This is the right size. Okay, like samsung fold is a little too thin. Okay, and Pixel fold is a little too wide and a little too short This one like when it's folded it feels like a regular phone It feels like a regular, you know side by side comparison with with my pixel 8 It just seems like a regular phone But on the open fold side you get the height that you don't have with the pixel The pixel fold, but you get more width than you have on the samsung. I don't michelle. Do you agree with that or like? Yeah, I think um the cover screen on the z fold 5 is just way too thin to actually type or use many apps at all So that's one thing that the pixel fold and the one plus open got right But what I also like about the open is just how thin it is in general like it's even thinner than the pixel fold Which google was marketing for months as being the thinnest foldable in asterisks in north america Well now it's no longer the thinnest foldable in north america because you have the one plus open It is very thin when it's open. It is like startingly thin thin. Yeah And the best part is the crease is basically invisible Like I don't know ron if your experience has been the same, but you cannot see the crease unless you're like at some extreme Actually, that is pretty amazing even with the glare. Yep. Okay. You can see in that kind of angle It's it's funny because it is really hard to see I took this phone to a family event And one of my family members saw me holding it and they're like, oh, what's that? So I explained to it and I opened it and and their initial reaction was you can't see the crease Where's the crease? Like they they were blown away about how much they got the crease just disappears pretty much. You can't see it really, you know, so Um, very very good. All right. So form factor thumbs up. We're both in agreement. It's great The hinge is great that they've done so they were so like we had michael fisher on last week on the show To mr. Mobile talking about the hinge and he got to see the factory Um, the hinge is what it's cracked up to be between the crease and just the the way it's a good It's a good fold feel, right? You know, so yeah And you have the black Yeah, the white or black. Yeah, the the fake leather back. I love that. Yeah Oh, when michelle michelle posted a picture of the back on One of the social networks were on and I was just like, oh dude, that looks so good Especially if you are a hassle blad fan and you want that like enthusiast camera look it looks It's sexy as af on the back there. Yep one plus sexy af there it is All right. So so so overall field field phone feel Looking feel I give it a thumbs up michelle. You you agree. It's definitely the best form factor like in the us right now that you can get All right. So, uh, what's what's next on the on the rundown here? What do we why don't we talk about, uh, battery life I think that I think productivity something I want to bring up go for it Go for it. Like I know a lot of people have been like, well It doesn't it doesn't have an s-pen support, which the answer is no It doesn't have any style of support But I've been kind of thinking like I don't really care that much about s-pen support Let alone the overall utility of foldables as like a productivity because like a lot of users say you're multitasking Like you can use the both screens to multitask and show to app side by side But even I find myself not doing that that often because we still have laptops We still have desktops like I'm doing 90% of my work on my pc when I can like I'm not going to jump Like simul post on my phone opening to like two screens and having to app side by side Majority what I'm doing on my phone is treating it like a tablet Like what do people use tablets for most of the time which is media consumption It's just reading comics reading emails reading Watching videos and things like that and it's just great. I just love like um Having the expanded screen space to fit more on a screen like when you're watching a video or like reading a comic or something Just the ability to expand it to that much bigger canvas is so nice to have and I think that's like the one killer thing Like every time I show a foldable to like a friend or family and they're like What can you do with it? That's that's the one thing I show off like I don't care about multitasking I just show them like look how big I can make my images look how big I can make my apps Right, isn't that the coolest thing and that's all they care about Yeah, for sure um and I gotta admit the multitask approach with the foldable and the gestures that one plus has in here would like the the What the two or three finger swipe down to split the screen and like so if you're if you're on the launcher The main launcher screen and you do a um Yeah, so you and you have an app open So like right here I've got chrome open right and if I do a two finger swipe What it does is it splits the screen and then tells me to pick an app to open And then it opens them up. It can't see because it's too washed out But uh, it opens them up side by side, which is just like it makes the multitasking so seamlessly easy and fun That it just makes me want to use the phone more right like I get I totally get the argument of people saying they're ditching their laptop for this foldable or for a foldable Just because it's it's I feel like I could like be researching something while typing something and that sort of thing So All right. Um, well since I said it before let's talk about battery life Uh Bravo one plus. I don't know what you did, but this battery this battery life is great I mean like it is you know like I I was afraid with three screens and going through the paces and all that sort of stuff It'd be a quick drain, but I'm going A full day plus on a single charge. I mean masha I don't know if you had similar different, um Experience with that but the battery holds up for sure. Yeah, the battery's been really good But um back to the productivity. There is one thing I wanted to bring up Which is the open canvas feature. I was trying to like fuddle with it get it showing Uh, but basically this feature like it solves a problem with um three-way multitasking Because like right now if you try to split three apps on a single screen There's not enough space for that You can have one app taking up the entire Left half and then the other two apps taking up half of the other half So basically you get a quarter of the screen. It doesn't really work well But that's what samsung does But one plus figured out a clever solution to that problem with the open canvas where you basically have Uh two apps side by side taking up like 80 85 percent of the screen together And then you have one app like on the bottom or all the way to the right It's like 15 and you can like switch between the two apps and the third apps just by tapping them like Let me try to also what I also love is that you can have app groups And you can just you can put a like if i'm always using You know keep and youtube and chrome right to do whatever i'm doing I'm typing and keep and i'm watching a video and i'm researching at chrome You could put those three in a cluster on your screen and tap the cluster And it opens all three apps at once in the multi in the multitask view, which is great Okay, it's kind of mirrored right now. You can see it right now. I have on the on my Right, which is the i have twitter. I have uh chrome and then I have uh discord right here But like i can like switch between these three apps That's so cool. So so cool. It's super nice And then I think you can if you pinch out with four fingers you can like Have them all displayed and you can switch between them. It's yeah getting the gestures down is Once you unlock all those different gestures It really kind of makes it's like a whole new world of how to use it and four finger swipes and stuff like that Um, we are getting requests in the in the chat for the butt test So it's been a while, but i'm willing to do it. I will say I think it feels good in the back pocket. Uh, so here we are Oh, look at that. Whoa It's right in there. They're all lower my camera a little it's right in there like like a wallet Now sit down on it. No, that's No, she's not that bad Hey, I mean there is They tested it. They tested it. They do test literally test for that. Yep. Um, so I mean it does feel good in the pocket I will say the the Hasselblad camera bump is a bump. It is very it's it's very bumpy Um, and like if you wear tight fitting jeans like I do like slip fitting jeans say that you get that denim circle of like where the camera was like kind of it gets worn out there, but um I will say that the case I currently don't have the case on but the case that it comes with is a very simple Just kind of like front bracket case and then the back of it covers the back of it And has the little circle of it the case I had the case on for a while and it wasn't as intrusive as uh, I generally dislike cases for So, well, all right. Yeah, I have the case on right now. Yeah, I took it off because I'm living dangerously So speaking of the camera and now I hit my mic see this way You maybe get up and do the butt test that I my mic stand won't stay up Hey, that's just as we pay for the butt test. Uh, so I've got some I've got some Photosamples if we want to see what the camera look like. Michelle. What has been your experience with the camera overall? It's been pretty good overall. I'm actually I actually want to put up one camera sample of a night shot that I took that turned out really good So, okay, cool. Yeah, because I didn't take I didn't take that many night shots So this is actually a shot from where we had the event in Manhattan beautiful view of the empire state building You know some it was it was a dreary day. That's for sure, but um, I will say I am impressed by The the zoom levels on this so here I took some pictures of my kids There's a nice portrait mode of mr. Remo And uh, yeah, like nice little action shots of kids, which are the hardest things to take pictures of But uh, you know I I I did take it into the city. I don't want it to test the zoom So here is a You know no zoom shot of the skyline from Long Island city And then I zoomed in a little more you get a little closer to the Chrysler building And I zoomed in a little more Right Then zoomed in even a little more and it's still pretty crisp and looking pretty good Even closer Right like these are I mean this was at least like 30x zoom on you know and and That's how that's pretty dang good. Right like close up shot of the top of the Chrysler Yeah, like look and look at look at the look at the have a light bouncing off the little gargoyles The little things on the edges there and like you could you know, like I just very very impressed with with the zoom levels on this phone Wanted to get some sense of color, right? So, you know color color does pop nicely You know, there's your classic Manhattan shot of a of a seat of the orange and white cones and steam coming out of it You know, so like I look pretty good. I thought this is a great tie place named tide tie food near me Which is just a great name because if you google tie food near me, right? Yeah Brilliant And then I went to a concert and I wanted to capture So this was this was this is the view from my spot in the orchestra. I was like row Right and then I uh was able to zoom in. Uh, this is moracy Um, but I was able to zoom in pretty nicely and get some really crisp nice shots You know from very very far away, right? That still had you know good, you know You know, it gets a little pixely in the night and like with the with the stage lights You see there's not as much detail there, but um, but you know as far as like the the Uh going to a club taking night shots. I was pretty pleased with this. Uh, good enough for instagram I posted a in the private chat Uh on my night shots that I thought came out really good Like they took us on a boat tour on the you know the night after the launch sorry like the night of the briefing and uh We went around the Statue of Liberty I got some really good shots out of the camera at night Just like it was it was pretty tough because there was a moving boat, but uh, if you click open the link and Zoom yeah, that's pretty cool Yeah, I took out a 1x 3x and 6x. Oh man. Look at that. Jeez. Come on. Three. That's 3x on the Statue of Liberty And then 6x a little I don't think uh, I don't think the we can't see it run. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that Let me add it. I'm really good though. I was just enjoying your photos. Michelle. I was blown away by it Um, there we go. So there we can see so there is 1x from the Statue of Liberty, right standard photo That 3x is a winner. That's beautiful. That that looks like a postcard. Michelle And then 6x gets a little blurrier, but still from a boat at night. This is pretty good. So yeah, yeah, very cool Very, very cool. So camera. I give thumbs up. So Same So yeah, so overall overall impressions. I love this phone And I'm really thinking about making it my daily driver instead of the one plus eight pro I don't know. That's the thing the only the only negative I will have on it Is that it is pricey Right, so it is it is uh, what $16.99 without trading. Yeah, so they do have a crazy trade-in Which uh, when we went to the event, I think that got the most reaction out of everybody Yeah, because they have a trading system where you could get 200 bucks off And up to a thousand dollar instant trade-in credit if you trade in any phone So like if you have any phone out there pixel seven pixel six Nokia from 2003 like any phone they said they will take the trading cost on Which is just like good because like that's one plus being one plus, right? Like, uh, you know pretty pretty exciting The emerald dusk color is very very pretty But that's the one that is uh takes weeks to the order to go through whereas the voyage or black what we have with the nice little Um, vegan leather kind of thing that's available like immediately. Um, so so yeah, so the the prices the prices as a con Um, I will also say I've heard some people Um, complain about the lack of wireless charging Um at that price point. I don't michelle how you feel about that I for one am different because I'm not a wireless charging person, but I know some people are so Okay, you're not yeah, so but the the argument is made that for 1699 you should have wireless wireless charging on there I don't necessarily share that view, but I understand where people are coming from for sure. So Um So all in all I give this phone a thumbs up and it's potentially going to be my daily driver possibly I haven't decided yet. So yeah, I'm in trouble basically between y'all and a lot of our friends of the show Everyone has really given this phone a lot of love and I already have two foldable phones I don't need a third my husband actually is talking about getting the one plus open So right now i'm like i'm literally messaging right now get it maybe get well So yeah, I wanted to pull up adam dowds review on slash gear for it because I mean he said this is his phone of the year So far. Oh wow And you know and and agreed with us and that the camera is great the the feel the phone is great The software is great the productivity and the multitask is great The fast charging is awesome and the the only real cons being no wireless charging And adam felt the nighttime video performance was not great, but I could live with that So they you know, like I would have liked One plus to come out with a game changer foldable that was affordable And I don't know why I think of that of one one plus And i'm sure we're gonna see the one plus flip Well, you know similar to the opo find and three flip, but um, I don't know man I think this phone's a winner this phone and like and I think the pixel fold is a winner Like ultimately this is a great year for foldables. This is like a banner year for foldables And it just gets better and better with one plus. So I'm proud of them. You're the foldable We got you know, we're getting there. We're getting I mean if it's not, I don't know what else would be I know so um, all right cool. Well, so yes, that's the one plus open And yeah, I'm gonna keep playing with it and then maybe I'll use it as a full time But uh, uh, masha, there was some other some other one plus news out there, right? The all right switch tabs quickly. I switch tabs and then like yeah my shortcut to unmute myself was Not by the other chrome pad So yeah, um, just a couple of hours ago overnight one plus and DisplayMaker boe held an event where they showed off the latest generation of boe AMOLED displays And uh, this display can get up to 2,600 nits and brightness Which I think matches the pixel 8 pros a super actual display Which gets super super duper bright like way definitely bright enough to where you can easily use it comfortably Under direct sunlight and so this um announcement basically showing that hey the next generation one plus flagship will be using this high-end boe display and so usually to expect and At the event they were actually they actually had a one plus 12 on display like obviously it was covered up Like it was in this protective casing. You couldn't see the camera bump But they had the they had the phone there and they're basically serving as a teaser of what's to come Very cool nice Of course the one plus 12 was coming and it's going to be exciting to see it. So I'm I'm pro one plus man. I think that I think they're doing I think they got their groove back You know part of part of the story the one plus was post carl pay Kind of what they were you know what they were going to do with you know coming out of it Now I feel like one plus is the is getting closer to their identity. So pretty cool Oh, by the way, if you go to one plus one plus dot com slash us slash one plus dash dash open There is a banner at the bottom that says open sale starts in two days I have no idea what kind of sale that is and I just found out that if we get the black one As you said Ron if we get to the green one, we won't get my husband I won't get before good japan, but I'm like baby get the black one. Let's take it to japan Let's just run it through its faces. I love it. Oh my gosh. I'm I want this phone y'all I don't need another full of what I want it so bad It's pretty cool. I mean to send in send in a phone get 200 bucks off and then also they they are They'll give you up to a thousand dollar instant credit and they're also Offering they're gonna send you can get a 15 percent student discount if you apply and They weren't they they're not doing it anymore. They did. Oh, they did. They're not doing it anymore They had a promo where they were throwing in earbuds But I guess they stopped doing that so They do crazy stuff keep it on one plus. So yay them All right, cool. All right, so let's switch gears To snapdragon. Hey michelle Yeah, let's suck it up in the in the beaches of mawai like virtually of course because we're not there Friends of the show at friends of the show asked me they're like, oh, are you going to snapdragon event in hawaii? I'm like, no are you Unfortunately, yeah, I wish we were soaking it up in mawai right now But um, if you are that's where qualcom held this annual snapdragon summit And they unveiled a whole bunch of products earlier today They unveiled the snapdragon x elite chipset, which is the first snapdragon chipset to use qualcom's custom in-house CPU designs code named Orion this cheap this chip is an absolute beast Qualcomm claims it's faster than apples and intel's highest end chipsets and still consumes less power Of course, he's like qualcomm's internal benchmarks and like nobody's actually tested independently But if true, this is like massive for the future of like computing versus like because you know These apple chipsets in their laptops have been like leading edge for so many for so long And now we're finally we're getting a true competitor on the windows space But of course, uh, this is android faithful So we're not really going to spend too much time talking about the windows chipset But qualcomm did say that their new cpu design will be showing up on their mobile platforms next year But this year we're getting the snapdragon h n 3 Which is the successor to the h n 2 and this year because ai really popped off in 2023 with you know chat gpt with Dolly and etc like qualcomm spent a lot of time talking about generative ai and what the chipset is capable of so The snapdragon h n 3 is capable of multimodal generative ai models So it supports running a mix of text speech and image inputs Qualcomm talked about how it's able to run large english models like metas lama 2 As well as language vision models and transformer network based automatic speech speech recognition models All this on device they boasted about how their chipsets capable of running Stable diffusion at under a second, which is like incredibly fast Basically you give it a prompt and it can spit out an image in just under a second all on device So they're doing so many like cool things with these ai features And they also showed off a whole bunch of camera related ai features too in a stab at you know in a jab at google Some of the things that showed off is a photo expansion feature Where like you take a photo and then you use generative ai to fill out the area around it They also showed off a video object eraser where you're taking a video And then you can click on an object and have it just be digitally erased from the video And they also showed off their own version of like a video night vision feature Which enhances the details of a video shot in near total darkness And a lot of these features it's important to note They're not like features you're guaranteed to have when you buy a flagship next year with a snapdragon hn3 Because qualcomm is more in the business of selling you capabilities rather than features like they sell you a chipset That's capable of these features and then other third parties like the oems that sell you the devices Or vendors that implement features to integrate and license out that tech You know those are what eventually will determine what features you have on your device But they're clearly showing that their chip is capable of doing all of this stuff on device And you know generative ai has been really big this year and qualcomm is saying hey You want all that stuff running on your device? You get a qualcomm chip And of course that's not it like there's all their stuff they improved on there's not just um The ai improvements they also announced, you know the cpu year over year improvements that has a new adrino gpu They have new gaming features. They announced support for a new dolby hdr photo capture mode But uh, you know all those stuff kind of took backstage to the ai improvements So um, if you want to you get your hand on a device with a snapdragon hn3 You just got to wait a couple of days because xiaomi will be announcing their xiaomi 14 I think in like two days and that'll be the first device probably with the new chipset And then there'll be of course all the other oems that release flagships in the coming weeks And then over the next year will likely have qualcomm's or maybe media text chipset But besides the hn3 there was also the new s7 and s7 pro gen one sound platforms, which I don't want to get into too many of the details But one of the really cool things they announced is this new xpan technology which is short for expanded personal area network And basically what qualcomm is doing is they're using very low power wi-fi To massively extend the range of your listening experience So right now you connect to your earbuds using bluetooth, right? But bluetooth can get blocked by walls. It doesn't have like huge range But by using wi-fi you can significantly extend that range so you can leave your Phone like somewhere and then you go walk around the gym and go walk around like campus or something Work for much longer than before and still be connected to your device And then finally there's the snapdragon seamless which qualcomm describes as a framework for improving cross platform integration between android And windows devices that have snapdragon chips. So what qualcomm is building is basically a software suite They're not releasing like an app themselves But they're basically making it easier for device makers to build out their own cross device apps So with this framework that qualcomm has built oems can do things like make mice and keyboard Work seamlessly between windows and android devices Enable files and windows to be dragged and dropped between devices have earbuds intelligent switch between devices Like right now it's not just bluetooth multi point which lets you switch between two devices But qualcomm solution lets you switch between three or even four devices at the same time And qualcomm says this snapdragon seamless framework is supported by their latest hn3 x elite and their wearable and hearable platforms cool So uh, you weren't there though, right? Unfortunately, no i'm not in and i'm not maui right now as you can tell i was gonna say like uh, you're very excited despite not being Wined and dined in hawaii So But uh, very cool. Yeah, well snapdragon. I mean they do this every year. I feel like every year every other year And you know and push it in the envelope what that snapdragon can do and so we'll look and see what uh The oems do with it coming out of that. So very cool Michelle, did you say something about low power wireless? Is that gonna go? i'm attempting a segue into a very Very technical story, but it's actually really good news In fact, so much good news that picks that the pixel account on the pixel twix account celebrated that Very recently the fcc unanimously approved plans to allow several tech companies About 850 megahertz of the six gigahertz bands for low power operations So that means that the signal won't go very far But tech this is a boon to tech companies for things like ar glasses vr headsets smartphones Vehicle infotainment and of course smartphones which need faster wi-fi tethering. So That's it. Uh, we're you know, obviously nothing quite yet since they just approved it But you know, maybe in the future, we'll have much much much much faster wi-fi tethering So yeah, celebrate with pixel on twix or not with twix or not I feel like it's been a long time since we've celebrated something the fcc did Sorry, I'm glad that that joker is no longer running it and and now they're getting back to doing. Oh really? I haven't I've just been staying away from news because yes. Yeah, let's been seers now. So thankfully so Oh, I'm so behind Anyway, all right, cool. All right. Well, let's get wrapping up hardware. Oh one thing on the one plus open I forgot to mention was the uh, the speakers on this thing are fantastic I rarely use the speakers on my phone to watch media or anything like that But I did because they called it out and uh, it sounds fantastic. So yeah, all right, cool So that said let's uh, let's head on into apps and since we're talking about foldables Thought it was interesting and you know, michelle you were you were raving about the productivity capabilities of the one plus open And sure enough the google blog the keyword Uh, I had some great sharing, you know seven productivity apps for android tablets and foldable phones And highlighting some of the great work that google's been doing both on their own apps as well as partner apps And in this particular case here, uh, it's pretty exciting because uh gmail On a foldable or a tablet now will open web links in a split pane on a foldable. Um, you know tapping into that Um, uh multitasking kind of view where you have your email on one side And then the right side opens up the link that you click to from the email. That's pretty awesome the question though is Where can you do this because this isn't working on the one plus open And I feel like it's what might be working on the pixel fold I do feel like there's a have and have not on foldables with pixel fold and everybody else That's gonna happen for a little bit. I don't know if you guys are experiencing the same But I I was they had someone from google at the one plus event touting all the great stuff And I opened my one plus open to go do the stuff they showed and I couldn't Yeah, it's one of those things that's kind of interesting because of the Particular aspect ratio that one plus shows for their open is kind of squarish. It's not as wide as on the pixel fold So a lot of apps like discord like gmail, for example, they don't default to their tablet layout when you open them up On the one plus open you have to actually flip the phone over it to landscape mode to get that tablet view And I think that may be the reason why we're not getting this Yeah, so there's definitely going to be we're going to be in a software Transition state with foldables. I think for a while where google is putting forth like here are best practices Here's the spec and then it's a matter of how app developers and manufacturers are working together to make sure stuff works on their phones correctly Yeah, yeah, that's obviously I have a lot to complain about it And a friend of the show and was on last week michael fischer noted in his open plus review that he was thankful for Like the square ish Portrait specific portrait I guess portrait default aspect ratio of the one plus and I've had friends Even who friends who are android developers say they prefer the z fold over the pixel fold because Of the letterboxing and I totally get it Y'all this is a software problem in my view especially as a developer It really should be taken of the care of software tell your favorite app publisher that they need to get their act together That is my advice and what I'm going to stand for it's our fault and we should do better but What do All right, so uh when we got some messaging news Yes, so it's 2023 and I feel sometimes especially with messaging apps There are certain things that feel like table stakes, but aren't there yet like say multi account Well, I guess what it is 2023 So now what's app will allow you to log into two accounts simultaneously If you get you know the latest version you go to settings you can now add an account now I make that joke it is With with legacy apps it is difficult to add multi account support I went through this myself or not me personally but my team did so while I do make fun and say freaking finally I also understand that it's a hard problem. So go enjoy Your multiple accounts on what's app and furthermore if you are a google messages user as well or in lieu of what's app You will now have easier ways of pairing your Web devices or a web a web browser with your google messages Right now you have to go through the whole rigmarole of scanning qr codes and going to settings and yada yada It's very impenetrable. I think for most non-tech savvy people, but google messages starting to roll out a qr code list Workflow where you should be able to log in with your google account and have some more simplified prompts and actions To be able to log on to your google messages Via the web and there's a lot of hints also that this is just kind of the first step in true Multi device support for google messages. So you don't just have to have your google messages on one phone You can have them on multiple phones I think some folks have done I think the 95 google folks did some apk insights and looking at some different features And just the fact that the app will be will start suggesting that it will use both your phone number and google account Because that is kind of what a lot of this is based on is using your google account That eventually you will have a be able to have a secondary Maybe even a tertiary whatever the word for after tertiary is device also using google messages So we'll see we're getting there, but we'll start off with easier ways of you know Connecting your google messages to a browser. So baby steps 2023. We're getting there Getting there messaging evolving so evolving slowly, but shortly And uh, i'm evolving Yeah, speaking of evolving, you know, we always have new features coming out that are using generative ai to do cool and fancy new things And in google photos, we have generative ai being used to automatically create a highlight video All you have to do is select people or places that are tagged in your library And then you can create an entirely, you know, a video highlight reel based on Um, the people you tag and then it can add music and automatically sync that to the video It's a really cool feature, you know Because a lot of times people take a lot of photos and videos but actually creating something that you want to share and show Off to others is kind of a challenge because you know, you got to learn some video editing to do that But this takes care of all that hassle for you and it just puts these clips together in ways that make sense And it does it all for you automatically and encourages you to use google photos more and more which means Which is which is great and it's funny because as a hardcore google photos user They've been doing this without you asking And the number one question I get from my wife is This is great, but I want something with somebody else. How do I do that? And now you can like I feel like they're giving us the tools that have been under the hood for a while So yeah, very cool. Yeah, it's really cool And speaking of giving us things that we've been asking for for a while if you've been taking a lot of raw photos and um One thing you might have noticed is that google photos app hasn't always been automatically backing them up But starting now with the pixel 8 Any raw photos you take will be automatically backed up in the google photos app And they'll also show in the main photos tab So now you don't have to go to your library and after you look through your raw photos anymore And of course since raw photos are tend to be much larger in size You should be aware that you're going to be eating up a lot more of your storage quota if you do enable If you you know take a lot of raw photos and back them up And finally more more generally we have one more generative ai feature this time in youtube music So um, if you have a lot of playlists and you were you know, you didn't like the fact that you couldn't customize the Playlist album art. Well now you can using generative ai You can't like add whatever image you want But you can select from a whole bunch of templates and then use google's generative ai tool to Create a whole bunch of completely custom or semi custom album art images based on Your prompt I don't like the direction google's taken with this They also did this with the generative ai on on android 14 on the pixel 8 Where it's like cool generative ai wallpapers I read so many articles saying like how cool this is how great is that go to do it and it's limited in your choices Yeah, like it's like like it's like you can choose a palace in a color and it will make but I don't want to I don't want to bulldog Like in this in this example youtube music I want to give you the prompt and you give me true generative ai versus this like Training wheels we're gonna limit you limit your choices bs that they're doing so I don't know that's I think The reason they do that is because you're much more likely to get an unusable photo if they just let you go with whatever Sure. Yeah, or not really are like whatever. Yeah. Yeah, because knowing how to Properly draft a prompt is a skill in and of itself. Yeah. Yeah, exactly true All right, cool. Well, that's all our apps news And listen we've been we've been kind of saying on the show the past couple weeks that we want you to Write in to email us a contact at android faithful calm and boy. Howdy. Did you this week? Thank you. We got so many emails So like we're gonna run a little longer this week because I feel it's important to hear from you the android faithful So, uh, let's dive right in. Yeah, and our first email is from eddie from st. Louis who wants to pour one out for Uh photo spheres Hello af crew. I was a huge fan of this photo sphere feature for many years as I have been using google nexus phones for the longest time I loved using photo spheres on vacation to show my view to the rest of my family and they were great to share on google maps as well They were great for landscape shots and not good at all with people unless everyone stayed still Well, I am sad to see the feature go. I can understand it I wish they would have put the effort into enhancing the output instead of canceling the feature Either way, here are some good examples as well as a bad example Which might have been why it wasn't as popular It could be finicky which made it difficult to take them eddie from st. Louis And eddie shared with us a awesome google photos album there that he called share with af Of his photo sphere so we could see these are when we said who's who's taking a photo sphere Uh, he was so um, so there there's a pretty cool. Is this chicago? I believe chicago writes a bean, right? Yeah It's the bean Um, there there's a there's a beach shot. Oh, there you go. Just went black. Um Some cool Oh, I have noticed this with google photos in the oh right because it's going into the immersive Photo sphere mode. Yeah, so there we go. Now we can see we're dragging around. There he is It does take a second for photos on the web to kick in and have the photo sphere load and go into focus But yeah, these are true photo spheres. Let's go. Let's go back to chicago Let's relive the relive the excitement of chicago Yeah Well, yeah, look at this. Look at the stitching there. Look at that like that's that you see that spot Uh, and that you can see the line where it stitched it like cut off somebody's leg Yeah, I mean of course around the chicago being there's tons of people So where you know eddie had to take two different pictures someone has been split in half a little bit I mean, this is this is I will admit this is cool, but I still go back to Like what's the use of it and how often do you find yourself? Cruising around your photo spheres and reliving that moment. I never did, you know, I don't know about you know, but um This looks like pittsburgh possibly This is like name your city. Yeah, it just feels like it's such a It feels like yeah, the way we're doing right now looking at a desktop is probably one of the better ways to do it Maybe i'm wrong about that. It just does not jive with Anything google is oh, I see uh, so yeah, there it is finder That was in eddie's 360 pranorama and it has been I don't know Yeah, so it's it's it's like it's like a it's like a lookout point and there's one of those things We put a quarter into like a telescope view and it's like just floating there in space. That's not pretty good Yeah, that's a bad stitch part of it is yeah like floating. It's just not good. Yeah, so all right well Well, thank you for sharing us with that but we that's not the only email we got about photosphere Ha ha ha ha Yes, so we have yet another photosphere from uh photosphere related email from mark zipp So mark says with regard to your discussion of photosphere maybe going away android faithful show number 15 One aspect you did not mention is the fact that one could contribute one's photospheres to google maps This is incredibly useful useful for places the google maps car cannot access or where they have not sent a person with a backpack The first thing I did when I got my nexus 4 in november 2012 was to take a photosphere a photosphere a photosphere of my neighborhood We're on a cul-de-sac and so the google car does not visit us to date It is still the only picture of our neighborhood on google street view Here is a here's a photosphere I took back in 2014 It's an iron age stone ring for at the top of a hill in southwest cork ireland for years This was the default picture used on google street view and for video stream folks We're going to load it up right now in here. It is a lovely cork ireland. I have a friend that lives there. Hey, kate That's so cool that he took this and added it to google maps and like Like that is pretty cool. That's a pretty cool application like an integration of like How google can work together and that you could do this with your phone and then drop it into google maps and give More context to travelers. That's pretty that's pretty cool. Yeah, especially for like a historical Site like this where you want maybe attract people or just give people a little better view of what it looks like That's pretty awesome So going back to uh marix email, which I just scrolled all the way out of there We go There are really interesting photospheres in countries all over the world google photospheres are also used in geoguessor the popular online geography game And here is where we insert the discussion of killing off things willy nilly I really hope that this is merely a glitch in the pixel camera app for the new phones I'm glad I still have the function on my pixel 7a with android 14 Thanks for your efforts listeners since the eileen days regards mark zipp Thank you mark. So that was just two of the many emails we got about people using photosphere So we we asked you answered so we appreciate that But moving on to our next topic du jour Sam from sam from cleveland writes in and says i've been listening to triple a since its beginning It was very sad when it ended and somehow missed the launch of this show Probably because I got off all social media to spend more time listening to podcasts I just found it immediately subscribed and been binging to catch up. Thank you sam. Welcome back. We missed you We're here for you Um, and so sam says with all the new foldables on the market What's the situation with docking or mounting them in cars? I currently use a magnetic mount with my pixel and it's very convenient to just snap my phone on to use for navigation Would I need a tablet mount to hold up a foldable? Thanks for keeping us faithful sam from cleveland and we've been talking about android auto We've been talking about foldables We haven't talked about foldables in cars and other than this is a great question when you are using a foldable as your daily driver What are you doing? I'm putting it in the cup holder folded So I so as we've mentioned many times I am part of the Subaru crew and I have android auto in my Subaru And so normally I just plug it in leave the phone in the cup holder Hope that I don't breathe on it so that the connection stays through usb and use it that way Although, uh, we did have was it scott with the easter eggs last week. I'm so sorry Who showed us there uh his uh, you know, sorry mounted setup and I really want to do that But that's a really great question. I don't I actually have a little bit of experience not with cars, but with my rower Not quite the same thing, but you know, it's seated you go somewhere like nominally speaking more or less And yeah, I did find that the tablet holder worked better when I wanted my pixel fold open So that I could do the side-by-side of my rower app with I don't know some podcast youtube or whatever I did find that I had to use the tablet holder, but that it does mean that I'm forever using tablet holder In whatever situation that is so yeah, I don't know. I I've never put a tablet up in a car Have any have either of y'all I just went to amazon and searched pixel fold car mount and Like where where there's where where there's an oem. There are lots of accessories and supplies and stuff like that. Um, and sure enough, uh, there are many many, uh car wireless uh mounts and chargers This one is a uh a dashboard mount and wireless charger that works with the galaxy fold Um, and I gotta imagine it would work with the pixel fold possibly But there are lots of like basically tablet mount ones that you could unfold your phone and drop them into I would like to see someone doing this in the wild and see what the picture looks like because, uh, that's just bananas, um You know here, well, I've seen people do that like oh, so, uh, you know Unfold it with the mount on both sides. I would never do that I'd be too scared of like it, you know putting pressure on the hinge and holding it open If I would do that I would do it like on the but you know the This side on this side if I'm if you're watching on the video On the other the hinge is not being affected. Yeah, I don't want to put any pressure on the hinge You know what I will try though is that if if anyone is familiar There's a system out there called quad lock quad lock is a manufacturer of you know mounts and the quad lock is used by Like so I have a friend who drives a motorcycle and he literally puts his iphone something something fancy On his motorcycle because the quad lock system is pretty secure now They don't have pixel fold cases and my husband sadly asked support and they said no We're not making a pixel fold case. They do have adapters although it uses like a 3m sticker But while I wouldn't put it on a motorcycle I might actually try that maybe I'll get a quad lock car mount and then so what happens is the quad lock is just this little kind of insets Lock locking mechanism that attaches to the back of the fold So I think what we could do is maybe get a car mount and so instead of like having to You know holders that squeeze the side of the phones We could just maybe count on quad lock being good enough that I could use it both like closed and open And I just covered my mic. So I'm actually I'm gonna experiment with that. I'll get a quad lock. I'll steal I'll get a quad lock car mount. I'll steal my husband pixel fold and run around with it and see if that works but Does magsafe have like car mounts because I mean they have magsafe adapters for pixel fold too So that could be an option. Yeah Yeah, definitely a magnet underneath your case on the back and then like putting it another magnet in your car could work Because I use a magnet to hold up a tablet on the wall and it works pretty well Cool All right. Well, so there's a challenge if you're doing it take a picture send it to us when you do a take a picture send it to us Thanks for writing in uh, very cool. Thank you sam. Appreciate you being faithful. Um, all right our next our next email Comes in and uh, Michelle we're gonna need some help from you on this one. So um, he said Help all about I mean android faithful fam. Um, I haven't done the android beta since the pixel 4 I'm pretty sure that back then you just waited for the pixel 5 to come out with a stable release And you just opted out to update to stable without wiping So this time around I read people were getting better battery life on the pixel fold with android 14 So I waited until right before the pixel 8 was released and installed android 14 qpr qpr 1 beta 2 And later when I saw the pixel 8 was released I opted out and instead of being offered the stable release without wiping I get offered a stable release after wiping I I tried opting back in and waiting a day or two and opting back out But I still don't get the option to go to stable without losing everything and i'm not being offered any further betas Am I missing something did they change the way the beta program works? I just opted back in again and gave it a few minutes to wait for the next beta It says the system is up to date I know in the past including this time when I opted into the beta by the time I checked my phone The next beta was already available, but right now nothing when I opt back in I immediately get offered the stable release saying it will wipe my device just like the screenshot shows Really don't want to wipe because the android backup restore has been too spotty in my experience Anyway, glad the show lives on love it when you had flow and jason on keep on winning uh, tutel pip hilton from virginia pixel fold lover and t mobile eip fan Um, and uh, I love tutel tutel pip. You might remember from all that android tutel pip Hilton is awesome and he did send in a screenshot of what he is seeing Um, and I can zoom in on it. Michelle. What is he doing wrong? I'm gonna be honest. This is why I avoid using the beta program and I just side load all my updates I'm so scared right now. It is so confusing sometimes What do you have to do to go from the beta to the public track without wiping your phone? Whether or not if you opt out now or first opt out later whether you will get the right update push your device It's confusing. Yeah, this the screenshot. He says says system update available This update will slow the latest public version of android 14 all data sorting your device will be lost You're receiving these updates because you opted out of the android beta program to opt back in Go to g.co slash android beta downloading updates over cellular data or metered wi-fi networks may lead to additional charges um, so yeah, I I don't play in this in this sandbox either so Hilton, I'm sorry. I don't think we can necessarily help you here um But yeah, it's wild And thank you for the pun If anybody know yeah, if anybody knows please write in and let uh and let us know so all right And we got one last email here one more Yeah, and this email comes from Derek in toronto who set us an email about their experiences using android 14 on their pixel Hey gang, so happy you picked up where the show that shall not be named left off I was very sad to see it go and super happy to see you start up One thing I haven't heard much about with regards to android 14 But one that i'm loving is the battery life I'm on a pixel 6 regular and one thing that I have hated in the past year is the battery It seems to be getting worse and worse when 14 came out I saw improved battery optimization and thought yeah, right But omg I used to be at about 20 by about four to five o'clock every day as I am writing this It is 315 and I have 51 and I spent the last 45 minutes gaming I'm almost always able to get through an entire day super happy. I've created the 14 So yeah, this is a you know, it's always great to see people have a great experience after updating to the latest os I know last week we talked about Other pixel 6 users not having such a great time after updating the android 14 I'm really glad that issue didn't happen with your device But you know if you have been having a good time after updating android 14 power to you Yeah, and that email was from Derek in toronto and um, yeah, I love hearing a success a success story I have noticed the battery on android 14 on my pixel 8 pro has been running great. So Uh, it's it's it's nice to see and like we mentioned earlier the one plus Open battery is just ridiculously good. So all right confession. Right. I told y'all I wasn't going to order the pixel You did before and I did I was going to take it to japan, but now I'm regretting not getting not getting waiting in the one plus And I did it without any of the extras like the pixel buds or the trade-in So I'm just a really extra big fool this year. There you go Um, all right. Well, so email us at contact at android faithful dot com We love to hear from you all and I'm going to put the email on the website So you can email us directly from the website. We that was a little oversight and thanks, you know, who mentioned it Appreciate you sir. Um, all right. Well, that's going to end this kind of extra long. Uh, no guest episode Michelle where can folks find you? If you want to follow me to see all the latest news on android, you can follow me on twix On mastodon on threads on reddit Discord on whatever website at michelle romand, but if you want to support my work Um to see me continue to post more news You can go to patreon.com slash michelle romand and become supporter and join my discord And see some exclusive news from time to time Right on definitely support you doing you doing the lord's work out there So you appreciate you so All right, win Are you going to be blogging about your phone purchases now or what? I probably should see how I just keep rolling in them. Um, so support support michelle I'm a support devs because I'm a dev. I like support. I am an android dev I do it That's my typical day job and I do talk about android development and you can find my talks And associated code and video at my website randomly randomly typing com and you can find me on most Social media sites at queen code monkey and I'm at queen code monkey at mastodon that social for the fettiver So there you go right on And uh, you can find me. I'm ron xo across all the very social medias. I'm mostly most active on instagram Um, but as I mentioned earlier, I went on benefit of the dowd With friend of the show adam dowd, uh and cliff uh was on the show as well And we were on there talking about uh Talking about uh the one plus open So you can go watch that benefit of the dowd on youtube. Um, had a great time This is also before I needed to wear sunglasses. This is the night before it happened So you can see the you could track my life over the last week by podcast there But it was fun to fun to go on their show. 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