 I'm going to disappear behind a slate. Jenny just disappeared. What happened? Roger did too Inconceivable Roger's not so disappeared Alright, we are rolling today is one of those days when tech doesn't want to work, but then we make it work We have three examples of that Jenny and uber, which maybe she'll tell us at the post show Chat for lots of people and the alpha gig radio stream All right, I think we're probably caught up. So let's do this Ready oh no, nope But I asked Nope, hold on Hold on Okay Now I'm ready When having tea with the Queen you must remember three important things one pinkie up to Never wear a hat more audacious than hers and three make sure you wear your DTNS t-shirt To become Queen appropriate go to daily tech news show.com forward slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday, January 11th 2016 I'm time I'm joining me today. Ms. Veronica Belmont is back from her long March through CES. Oh It's over finally another year in the can Yes, you thought you were gonna do escape CES and then you ended up having what I imagine might be the longest CES experience You've ever had You know, I think it was a day number Shorter probably than the old days at CNET when we get there like Thursday the week before and be there until Sunday But that was like, you know, we were doing pre-production and stuff like that this time I was there from God in very late Monday night like well early Tuesday morning to 30 a.m Shot all day Tuesday shot all day Wednesday shot all day Thursday Friday Saturday were stage shows So it was just it was pretty non-stop. I'm happy to be home, but I saw a lot of great stuff, too Well, good work. Good to have you back We're gonna talk a little bit about streaming music and its future, but let's start off with the headlines Hey another VR helmet's got a pre-order date pre-orders for HTC's Vive VR headset will start February 29th Well done Vive VR. So now we can only Celebrate the anniversary of the pre-order starting every four years HTC CEO Cher Wang confirmed the date to the UK Telegraph She did not offer a price yet in response to questions about its smartphone business Cher said the company was quote more realistic and was shifting efforts to VR and wearables That's great. I've always loved HTC's products. I always have loved their design I think they're a very design forward-thinking company. So I'm I'm I you know, I've tried it. I love it It's it's gonna be exciting. What do you what do you think the price point is gonna be though? Do you think it's gonna be significantly lower than Oculus? I do well Depends on how you define significantly, but I think it will be a lower probably by at least a hundred bucks lower And and you're still gonna have to pair this with a with an appropriate machine as well So the total cost of ownership still gonna be fairly high To see it three ninety nine four ninety nine. I might be a little ninety nine Hmm. Do you think you think they'll go with total loss leader on it, huh? Maybe see I don't think they can Because they're not getting anything out of selling the games or the or the devour the machines, right? Although I guess Depends on what their relationship with valve is valve will get something out of selling the game So well, we'll find out very shortly. That's exciting for them though Citing sources familiar with the matter the Wall Street Journal reports Amazon will release a small portable version of its echo voice activated speaker The device is codenamed Fox and will be manufactured by Flex Tronix International and will be priced lower than the $180 for the current echo I Don't want this. I want to an app. I already have a portable device with a microphone Just give me the the Amazon echo lady who has name I won't say so. I don't set off your Amazon echo on my phone. I got an app I don't want more gadgets to carry around. Yeah, I don't need another thing I guess if I don't have an echo then I could have a portable one instead like as a choice But then why I don't know I don't know I don't know about this. Yeah, why do I want it? I'm having trouble. We're we're waffling on our echo I think it may it may go back to Amazon HQ at some point. We bought it for ourselves it's not a review unit and We pretty much only use it for timers at this point and streaming jazz music in the kitchen And that's kind of it. I haven't really found a ton of other use cases. I don't use the lists Maybe I should be doing that more But yeah, I think I'm not really sure what I would want in a smaller portable version that I don't already get in my phone Unless it is a phone I love having the ability to like have it streamed podcasts or music while I'm cooking and it's also where I put Do my shopping list. I'll be honest. I haven't found that much more use for it for me yet I can use it for my lights and my thermostat, but I don't I don't I just haven't gotten a habit of doing it That's nice. Yeah, that is a good feature Xiaomi announced its latest budget handset today the five inch red me three has an all metal construction and a 4100 milliamp hour battery. Yeah, that's a big old battery It is only a 720p screen now 250 bucks is all it costs it or the equivalent in in Chinese money, it's available in China tomorrow where you can buy it Is it just me or is it every it feels like every time we do an episode on Monday? There's a new Xiaomi phone I Just feel like we were putting this in the light up. I'm like, wait, didn't we already get one? No, I guess that was a different red me when we let yeah They they put out phones quite often, but $250 with the 4100 milliamp hour battery life is pretty compelling. I have to say AT&T announced Monday that new and existing mobile customers can sign up for an unlimited data plan as long as they also subscribe to direct TV or AT&T's Uverse TV service Mobile plans will run $100 for the first line and $40 for additional lines get three lines and AT&T throws in a fourth line Free TV starts at 1999 per month for the first year rising to 49 99 per year after that Though existing mobile subscribers can quote. What'd you say? I think 49 99 per month. That's no per month Yeah, that would be real cheap I'm Ron Burgundy Though existing mobile subscribers can qualify for a $10 discount on normal rates Users who do sign up will be able to keep unlimited data even after AT&T stops offering it and thanks to how much way to condolce for posting this in the subreddit Interesting move I think for AT&T to say let's use the big carrot, which is unlimited data To get people to Subscribe to our old-fashioned television service. Yeah, you know, I mean direct TV is I was a fan of direct TV I was a subscriber direct TV for years and years and years, but I finally got rid of it Because even direct TV was more expensive than having or at least enough of an expense that without the control that I would rather Just be able to subscribe to things over the internet myself. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I remember you were you were a big direct TV guy for a while there Yeah, it's from 2001 all the way until this year The next web passes along that Eddie Q from Apple told the Wall Street Journal that the reported number of users of the Apple news app is Lower than reality because of a glitch In other words more people are using Apple news than Apple has been telling its partners The partners are probably happy to hear that they're gonna get bigger numbers. Anyway The company is fixing the bug Apple announced in October that 40 million people had tried the app This doesn't really affect us as users of the app But if you're a partner for one thing you're going to now have the trouble of taking new numbers and going to your Advertisers that we're in there. I don't know. I don't know how it works I don't know if Apple covers that for you because of the revenue sharing through the app or What that does at least it's better than they thought. Yeah On the upside I suppose. Yeah Ford said on Sunday that it will conduct tests of self-driving cars in winter weather including snow The tests will happen in a 23 acre testing ground run by the University of Michigan at M city Ford has been testing its sensors in the snow for more than a year now Recode notes Google has reported snowy conditions testing of its fleet likely in the Lake Tahoe area That's what the sources say anyway And of course uber is doing testing at Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh, which So there yeah, so this this is good though I this is not to slam Ford in any way M city is a big testing area and lots of manufacturers should take advantage of that and Do it in the snow because winter driving has been one of the things we consistently hear from listeners a daily tech news show Who say yeah, I'd love for self-driving cars to come to my area But I'm not sure that they can drive when you start getting a couple feet of snow on the ground Well to be fair I think you know a self-driving car may be better at not Oversteering in the event of slipping on ice or doing something like that that human drivers tend to initiate quite frequently in bad conditions It's the lane tracking that is apparently the real difficulty and so what Ford was saying is They have to rely on landmarks and signs and and GPS and things that it can't tell when it's on a nice flat piece of ground with You know with lane markers and everything. Yeah, that that's a very very good point But yeah, I think I think you're right about the the ability to drive more safely in the conditions That's that's another thing about self-driving cars On Monday Ford announced an app called Ford pass. So this is a another announcement the Detroit auto show is happening That's why you're getting all these car announcements Ah, yes It can book parking spots through park whiz and parkopedia and also use the airport car sharing app flight car It can schedule forward vehicle maintenance Although anybody can use it You won't be able to schedule vehicle maintenance if you don't have a Ford And so you can speak in person with guides either through chat on the app or in person at a Ford hub Service launches in april in the united states and canada with europe brazil and china to follow The first forward hub will be at the world trade center mall in new york and they plan to expand to shanghai san francisco and london after that McDonald's and 7-eleven were also announced as loyalty program partners I feel like Ford is trying to say we're not just a car company anymore. We're a transportation concierge Uh in some way and I think that's smart for them to experiment with looks like they're being pretty Pretty innovative which I think is is cool. Although. I've never heard of park whiz and parkopedia or flight car Um, so I guess I heard of times Flight car allows you to park your car for free In exchange for allowing it to be rented while you're away Uh, it's one of those. Okay. I I've heard of those services But I haven't needed to use it yet, but that's that's interesting Hmm I would like to know some parking in san francisco is a big problem And in fact, uh, someone in my neighborhood got yelled at we're trying to promote one of those like park sharing services Where it tells you where the parking spots are or people can rent their parking spots like four other people and All the neighbors flipped out. They were not happy about that idea. Oh, that's a problem San Francisco. Yeah It's a talk for another day for sure SP shared and wanted us to mention that as part of software version 7.1 A tesla autopilot a tesla autopilot feature called summon Enables the s and x models to park or unpark themselves without the driver inside The feature has to be turned on by the owner and the driver assistance settings and the driver has to be within 33 feet It can be operated with the key fob or smartphone app, but that's just the beginning CEO elan musk said I think that within two years you'll be able to summon your car from across the country What he means is that technology will be ready in 24 to 36 months He had to like go back and clarify several times that no, he didn't think your model s would be able to drive from new york to la without you within two years I mean to be fair, that's what it sounds like he was saying is what he said that is literally what he said Yeah, I mean it's pretty close to what he said Uh, but yeah, I and they also had to uh in the software update They had to like change a bunch of the restrictions They had to put more restrictions in for the automatic driving because they had said people Please keep your hands on the wheel even with if you're using the new automatic driving, but people weren't doing it um So i'll be interested to see what restrictions have to be added to the new summon Uh system this again you have to be within 33 feet of the car So it limits what you can do and it can only go forward and backward. It can't do turns or anything like that Uh, okay, that makes sense The sands industrial control systems team issued a report on how attackers achieved the temporary power outage That we told you about that happened in ukraine on december 23rd black energy malware according to this report did help The attackers gain access Uh, they were then able to somehow not through the malware remotely trip circuit breakers And then use kill disc to try to wipe out their traces and prevent recovery efforts There was also a phone denial of service attack to block customer reports of outages Uh, they the report says there may have been some direct Interaction involved by the attackers and they do not believe the malware was the direct cause of the outage It wasn't an infection of malware caused the outage the malware just gave them access to the system essentially Isn't that what happened in that movie? What was that movie swordfish? Yeah, it was a movie with chris helmsworth. Isn't that kind of a swordfish, right? Yeah. Yeah That movie was not great but It was okay. Yeah, and and and This has been something that people have been saying this is gonna happen. This is gonna happen This is gonna happen in fact lemperolta predicted it in our predictions episode And it has now happened, but I think the upside of it, you know Aside from there's no upside if you're someone who lost power is that they didn't lose power for very long They were able to recover from it and now they have a profile of the kind of attack that can happen And this hopefully will serve as a wake-up call To anyone in the industry who hasn't already woken up and lots of them have To the idea that they need to lock down the systems and and make them as secure as Banking and everything else on that is connected by a network Beatmaster is saying swordfish was Hugh Jackman introvolta. I I'm thinking oh, that's right Other hacking movie. What's the other hacking movie called the one that just came out like well There's like so many hacking movies the one with chris helmsworth I always call him helmsworth like he's the captain of a ship black cat black cat Thank you, jenny. Thank you, jenny Black hat. Thank you. Okay. We got it. Yeah, that's the one swordfish was the terrible hacking was to revolta Yeah, I'm in a queue. That was the one where the screens all had like 20 foot types so that you could read it on a movie Right Weird Oh, it's my turn 9 to 5 google passes along that tech.cina reports that the president of lenovo's china region Shen Zhudong says google is on track to bring play services to china sometime this year. I'm sorry if I said that wrong No, it's another another brick in the Rumor wall. I don't know better better better better metaphor is available at your request But it's another sign that yeah google is in fact going to be back in china So we we've got lenovo out there saying and this is the guy who runs the china Um Stores for the android apps android is dominant in china Just none of those android devices run the official google play services So google could come in like a house of fire if they were able to negotiate the approvals to do so It's a lot of people Yeah It's a lot of people and then following up on that juniper networks Story juniper said late friday that it would ship new versions of security software in the first half of this year That no longer will rely on random numbers generated by dual elliptic curve technology Which has been in use since 2008 One year after veteran cryptographers had begun to raise questions about the use of dual elliptic curve A presentation at stanford on thursday showed several ways juniper's code had been changed in 2008 To make eaves dropping on vpn sessions more possible or easier possibly on purpose Juniper had changed a bug if you remember that Prevented vpn sessions from being hijacked in a particular way, but they were criticized for not taking out the underlying code from 2008 Now they finally said okay fine. We're gonna we're just gonna take out that controversial code Let's take out the code Yeah, let's take it out. Let's take it out said and now they've finally done it. Oh good. Well, thanks for listening to us Yeah Thanks to everybody who submits on our subreddit. We love you. We appreciate you the moderators in there, especially Get in there and vote on stories. It helps us put together a better lineup every day Thanks to you at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines So nielson published their 2015 year end music report hat tip to sarah parez at tech crunch. She did a great Rundown of what's in the report. It's a very long report. She did a very very good report pointing out one thing That billboard does a thing called a stream equivalent album Yes, isn't that fascinating? I thought this was absolutely fascinating. I had I had no idea that this existed And it's it's methodology. It's it's it's 1500 song streams equal one album So that's what they're comparing it to so if you If you stream a song 1500 times that's like, you know, I bought the album That's like that's about the equivalent amount of of money's worth. I suppose Yeah, it's a back of the envelope calculation Because when you buy an album you get unlimited streams of that But every time you stream something on a streaming service You're generating a small amount of money and and it's often criticized as being too small So billboard says well, how much would be equivalent to them buying the album and being able to stream it as often as they want They say 1500 song streams And as as you can kind of imagine streaming has just continued to to skyrocket People are definitely streaming a lot more music on demand streaming services grew to 317 billion streams Which was almost double from 2014 at 164.5 billion a video grew 101.9 percent to 172.4 billion And audio grew 83.1 percent to 144.9 billion But I was also really really amazed to see that the primary way that people are still discovering New music significantly more than any other source was radio And this is f.m.am and and serious xm And I realized looking back in the past, you know, three four years that for me xm was the killer app for me discovering new things until I switched over to spotify and canceled my xm account But I was really discovering a lot more music in the car Just on my way to wherever I was going listening to music on on the car radio instead of using an app I love that 61 percent is radio 45 percent is friends or relatives That makes sense 31 percent is movies and movie soundtracks That's kind of cool. Yeah And 27 percent is streaming so those those spotify playlists and things like that I think that's going to continue to rise the streaming aspect of it I'll be interested to see how radio does because some other things that were once declared dead like lp's Are actually on the rise sales of vinyl grew 30 percent to make up 9 percent of physical sales Like when you count all the CDs that were sold plus vinyl 9 percent of it is vinyl That's the 10th straight year of growth for vinyl records Amazing whereas other sales are falling album sales fell 6 percent Although that's a a shorter a smaller fall than last year last year. They fell to 11 digital album sales fell 2.9 percent single digital sales fell 12.5 percent Although by herself Adele accounted for 3 percent of total album sales in the united states You know the the vital thing is fascinating But I think it makes a lot of sense because we've had a lot of technology recently I mean there were entire stalls at ces devoted to turntables And I'm talking like turntables that play one vinyl record that you can use to digitize or just play in high fidelity So I thought that was great But also I heard recently that amazon is accounting for 10 percent of all vinyl sales across the world So amazon is actually really putting themselves out there as being an outlet for collectors And people to find those limited edition vinyl presses And a lot of indie acts and a lot of djs and a lot of people who are really into music are releasing limited edition or first press vinyl records For for super fans to buy and it's kind of like back in the day We used to buy like box sets of CDs that would come with all extra art and cool stuff and and liner notes and things like that Now that's kind of gone people aren't buying CDs anymore But they do want to have that collectible vinyl with all that same kind of content in there So I can see why it's growing as a collector's item because we don't get that kind of stuff with digital music anymore So being able to have that physical thing. I mean, that's maybe that's where the next super fan thing is going So the question that the music has been dealing with for more than a decade now is Can we continue to make money is is piracy going to kill us Is the fact that people can can listen to things for free going to kill us It seems like streaming has come in and become easier than going out and torrenting things But it doesn't look like streaming is yet making up the difference in money So that's where we go bring you back to that billboard stream equivalent album billboard estimates the record business experienced an overall growth of 15.2 percent From 476.9 million album consumption units. So that counts CDs vinyl digital albums and equivalents between 2014 To 549.4 million in 2015 If if if you believe this back of the envelope equivalency and if you believe that yes In fact more people are listening to more music in legal channels that can be monetized than did last year That's a positive for the music industry. It says look all we have to figure out is the details of How we get paid and who gets paid to make their music And that leads us to the last part of the neilson report We want to talk about 32 of people spend their money on concerts 13 on physical items, whether it's vinyl or cds 11 percent on satellite radio 11 percent on digital 10 percent on festivals So that makes the live aspect about 42 percent and seven percent streaming people just aren't buying streaming Because they say hey, I can get a free version and maybe it's too expensive for streaming yet They're spending most of their money on concerts I do you think that will change? Do you think that people will start to say? Oh, you know what? It's just cheaper to to do a streaming service than to keep buying albums I think I think it's very consistent actually with with music historically because bands and musicians have always made the bulk of their Money on on live music and on merch And as opposed to album sales So I think that this is kind of consistent with that idea that that you know labels and acts are really putting a lot of their energy Into concerts and promoting those events and things like that as opposed to Maybe trying to get people to stream as much as they used to i'm not sure i'm this is all conjecture um, of course, but I mean it's it's I don't know how it's ever going to be really profitable I mean we see big event days like this is obviously one of the saddest days in music history today with The news of david bowie passing away But what did spotify do they immediately made? Playlists of bowie's music and put them slapped it on the front page And every single one of my friends on spotify was streaming bowie today And that that kind of thing doesn't always happen, but you can imagine that building curated lists around big events or releases or things like that is a way to kind of Condense and and consolidate some of that attention and get people to Stream a lot more of a certain actor artist and they previously would have Because it's just hard there's so many options out there And so our interests are so spread across so many genres and and bands and musicians It's hard to really find something and be able to Quantify that Yeah, I I'm looking at these these stats on spending and the other the other thing that occurs to me is How we always think oh, it's the young kids who are doing the streaming, right? And it turns out it's not exactly true 7 percent of total people do streaming 9 percent of the millennials 18 to 34 do streaming for spending 8 percent of the teens do spending now. Maybe that's because they just don't have their own wallets But they're buying digital tracks and albums and the 25 percent of teen spending is on digital tracks or albums 13 percent is on physical forms. That's more than the millennials So I don't know how that fits in exactly. They just don't listen to all their music on snapchat. I thought that's what the teens did Maybe that's what it is. That's not all content, right? Yeah I'm joking. I mean that's It's 10 seconds of a song And and I think a lot of them do listen on free tiers of things For instance, you can go to youtube and you can stream lots of music and go to vivo.com You can stream lots of music without paying a cent. Uh, so that doesn't seem to be captured here yet But they do spend money on concerts. All right to bring it back to what you were saying teens spend 31 percent of their money On admission to live music concerts They spend a little less money on on festivals 9 percent Whereas millennials spend 29 percent. So a little less money on live music concerts They go to more festivals, but that tracks pretty close to the overall total when you include all age groups Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't too desperate. I think between between the age groups, which I found interesting though I thought I I think I expected a little bit more out of the people of what what do they call us in that bracket Where where do we lie in that bracket? Old folks. Is that what they call us? Yeah off the off the we don't care they They're gonna keep technically I'm still a millennial barely They're gonna keep buying the music of their youth and not buy anything new I would like to see the next level I would like to see the grown-ass adult level And and see where how that breaks down because I feel like I feel like all the Adults over 34 that I know do stream a lot and listen to things like Spotify and pandora a fair amount So I I would like to see that break down a little bit a little bit further down the line And neshka asked that this doesn't include youtuber vivo I I sort of misled you when I said that the spending doesn't Because this means they're not spending on the tier like the youtube red that takes away the the ads The overall tracking did nielson did track spotify aol beats cricket google play Median at ardio rhapsody slacker xbox music youtube and vivo in this But if you're listening to the obviously if you're listening to the free tier, that's not going to be counted in your spending Numbers here. So I think this is a positive for the music industry It says look people are listening to music in legal channels more so than ever At least that's what billboards estimate is saying and the numbers seem to fit It's just how they're able to spend it needs to be fine-tuned to make for a healthy industry And and again big big ups to sarah parez for putting together this very comprehensive breakdown of all this data You know data like this isn't always very interesting But I I found it like very engrossing to go through and look at the trends and see how how much it's changing in the past couple years Yeah, uh, and and I think we you know I'm 91 of people in the u.s. Listen to music So the 9% of you who don't and I actually know a couple of you in the audience who don't don't care Don't care about this And that's fine, but for the rest of us we want to know like what are our options going to be What do you use personally to listen to most of your music me? Yeah, I've switched over almost completely to spotify So you just listen to it on your phone that way I listen to it over sonos primarily or using the app in the car We actually still listen to AM FM Maybe 25 of the time in the car Just because we don't want to deal with launching an app and and finding the playlist or dealing with the bluetooth pairing That's acting up that day. Well, sometimes we'll just I forget it. We'll just go to go to radio But for me, I use google music For for managing most of my music I do amazon music because I like to stream it to the echo And then mostly I listen to what eileen plays on the stotos So I listen to her spotify list Yes, I do I do a lot of you know nbr and npr nbr npr and bbc one Or bbc radio rather in in the car also, but I actually know that's a lie I don't do that anymore because it was on seris xm now. I just listened to Literally the only radio station in san francisco that i'm tuned to that I have the the numbers for in my car That's it. Just the alternative rock station. I don't even know what it is I'll be honest in my car. I have an aux jack. No bluetooth. So I listen to podcasts when I'm driving alone almost exclusively Sometimes I'll listen to google music in there But in aileen's car, which has the bluetooth is where we end up listening to it's easier It's so much easier than plugging in the aux cable. I know it's I'm the same way Well, let's get to our pick of the day michael eskin Wrote me to talk about his new hammered dulcimer app for the ipad pro Now I don't normally do personal like I made this in the in the picks section But I was looking at his site app cordians.com There's a whole lot more there than just the app he was telling me about and I figured a lot of folks who play traditional instruments Making some music might be interested app cordians.com has apps for accordions concertinas bagpipes dulcimers and more michael says his accordion app is particularly popular in mexico It stays up in the top download charts there quite often And he says look i'm just one guy working on the app in my home office I play all these instruments and I make really great virtual versions of all of them And and so if you're into these kinds of interest instruments and you'd like some other ways to play them Check it out app accordions.com. I thought it was pretty cool looking right on Send your picks to us folks feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. You can find more picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks Uh, we had the rumor last week that apple might not include a standard headphone jack on the next iphone And david pointed out this could be used to combat unauthorized reproductions The same way that companies used hdmi to replace component cables and stop you from recording video Not should mention all the third-party services like square that leveraged the audio jack would be out of uh out of luck In my face i'm so annoyed by this rumor already if it's like ah so annoying And tyler pointed out that apple has removed things like the three and a half inch disc drive and the cdvd drive from its max in the Past to some outcry But we're later no longer missed different different thing. This is a different. Why is it different? Because i want to be able to use i don't want to have to use a freaking converter Thing or plug i already have to do it for the stupid they keep changing the gd power cables And now i've got this dumb dummy on there I'm sick of it hate it moves it sometimes the worst now. I'll talk into the microphone I don't want to have to do that with my headphones I've worn the same pair of headphones for the past like six years and i love them I don't have to buy an adapter to use them or buy stupid bluetooth headphones This just makes me mad Yeah, we don't know whether they're actually going to do it or not But i hope they don't too and i'm with david like you know There's a lot of way a lot of things that are made easy by having an analog out for your audio I don't know how many people really use that on a phone to do recording But it would shut that down and and and other things that you can do like hooking it up to an aux jack for instance in my car Would require a stupid adapter And then it could be stupid And then the apps could say oh well We don't we don't recognize where you're sending it So we're not going to allow you to play it to your aux jack in your car because we don't have an authorized that use And i hate that Tyler makes a good point about how apple sometimes gets rid of things and we we get upset and then we turns out We don't miss them. I kind of feel like this isn't going to be one of them yet This could be more like oh, we're going to do firewire instead of usb And then apple has to go back on itself and do usb eventually and there's no firewire port on my current macbook just Yeah And then as far as the oculus rift goes I made a stupid crazy prediction that it would cost like 1200. I don't know what i was thinking And nick writes you got the price right just in the wrong currency it'll cost around 11 to 1200 australian He says yeah, that's right. It's going to cost me around that much to get mine He says second the oculus is currently being marketed as a sit-down experience While the vive and the playstation vr are being marketed as stand-up experiences and he says i don't know about you I don't have a space where I could safely stand up and walk around with no real world vision Without bumping into a chair or tripping over something Hmm And the vive was showing off a feature that would allow you to see Even though you're moving around but that could be a differentiator for some people to say yeah, I don't have a small room I don't want a vive even if I can see where i'm going Yeah, we had that we had that demo going at the intel booth at ces and it was pretty cool And that's something I think is going to be very handy even though it kind of takes you out of the experience a little bit I mean we still got to consider safety for sure Well, that is it for this episode of the daily tech news show If you want more of eranica belmont follower on twitter twitter.com slash veronica and of course Dear veronica the series on engadget hasn't stopped going strong Yeah, and I need questions like crazy. 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Uh, bowie ascends to the stream in the sky I don't know if I like that Um, let's see you versed in making you pay growing ass adult level Stream it for bowie Uh stream oddity Oh stream oddity. That's that's good. I like that. I like that. Should we use that? Yeah. Yeah, I like that That's a good one. Nice shot beat master. Little hat tip That's good He's a star I should I should I should actually do honor to david bowie's memory by not by not Yeah, I it's weird There are not many people who fill up my entire feed On facebook across the board like david bowie did this morning. Yeah I love the um the if you've seen the the the um Bowie's in space song from flight of the concords No, I have that. That's one of the ones I have to look at. Yeah, I'll share it in the in the chat It's the best. It's so good. My favorite is the one where he and freddy mercury are doing under pressure But with no music. It's just the bat the vocals. It's oh, yeah Those are two top notch people Yeah Although freddy mercury doesn't like star wars what From bicycle the song the queen's own bicycle I've never been big on jaws and I don't like star wars. I don't have black or say white Um I will also do freddy mercury the honor of not trying to sing anymore of his songs either Under pressure seriously probably one of my top like five favorite songs of all time And it would oh every time I listen to it I'd be like, oh man, it's so sad that freddy mercury is gone and now it's like, oh my god Now they're both gone and it's just such a great song That song is particularly enhanced by it being in gross point blank Because now every time I hear that song I always think about that wonderful scene in gross point blank I just remember getting queen's greatest hits and that was you know how they always And they still do it sometimes they put the bonus track That that is actually you know a new song that wasn't a greatest hit Yeah, and I remember thinking like oh, I can't I can't like this song I'm not allowed to like this song because it's the bonus track It's not really a greatest hit and then secretly really liking it And then finding out that other people are like no, it's a really good song Just made me relieved like oh, wow And it's one of those one of those few instances where the bonus greatest hit really like Is one of the top songs on the greatest hits album Tom that sentence reveals so much about you. Why can't you like the bonus track? Oh my god when I was a kid When I was a whenever are you kidding me like when you're 12 years old and you're like Oh, it's not cool to like the bonus tracks. So I can't admit This is just peer pressure Wait, what are you talking about? What wait? What are you talking about? I'm just talking about having Teen peer pressure where you don't want to appear uncool I'm just so confused I've got to accept that as as your life experience and say that that sounds valid Okay. Yeah. Hey, it's everybody's life is different. Wait, do we mean all bonus tracks? I missed the first part of the conversation. Well, I'm not I'm just saying there We all have things where we didn't want to appear uncool in our teens, right? We're not disputing that in my circle growing up One of the things was like when a greatest hits would come out, everybody would trash the new song included I was like because when I was a kid and and dukey came out the best track on the whole album was the bonus track You remember that one talking only about greatest hits. Yeah, I'm not talking about bonus tracks on in general So I was saying it was a song that wasn't good enough for an album until they threw it at the back of the bonus Exactly. And usually that was often that was the case and because under pressure was released on the queen's greatest hits That's why it was like I was like, oh It's a it's an it's an extra. I guess not bonus was what was confusing people. I see. I see what you mean It's an extra track. Okay. Yeah My body won't let me forget that I was in vegas. It's bad. I know Just leave it behind leave it behind Uh Got time you dinged you dinged during the episode So, you know No, I don't think I had the laptop muted Getting uh getting out on thursday morning early did wonders for my ces experience Yeah, I'm I was gonna try to meet up with you and see what you guys were up to I sent you an escape hatch invitation for shake shack I didn't see that you didn't see that. No, it's when you were sad about being in a dinner by yourself Oh And I wasn't like, yeah Come escape to shake shack. I did not see that at all. I totally I was already stuck at the dinner. Yeah I think I had a good dinner. Yeah, I think I had a friend at your same dinner at the sphero dinner Oh, no, no, no. It was a different dinner. Okay Um the intel dinner Oh, yeah, no, I didn't get No, maybe that was I got confused my my friend works for two different companies And so one of them is intel and one of them is ford and one of them had a dinner and one of them didn't So it's possible. There was no intel dinner. No, oh, yeah, that's okay. I've decided to move to glendale Oh, okay Because uh, you can live within a block of a shake shack an in and out and a din typhong Oh my god, I wanted typhong. Oh now you said it and it has to be god Yeah, the fact that there's a shake shack coming to glendale and west hollywood is very exciting Yeah, well the west hollywood one will be doable for you, right? Yeah To you We'll probably just overshoot and go right to the glendale one so we can go to din typhong after shake shack So good. I don't know though. I'm I haven't been there as a Pescatarian, so I don't know like how that's going to change my dumpling situation I think it might severely change my dumpling situation. I've not yet heard of a fish dumpling Or just like a vegetarian dumpling. I don't know they might have they got to have them because ryan ones for sure. Yeah about fish dumplings I just want vegetarian Or no, do each shrimp. Yeah, well, you know, they there's there's yukia hako. That's shrimp Okay Just please I went to um China poblano in the cosmo for dinner by myself one night and it was amazing It's mexican and chinese food so you can get like tacos and also Like sesame noodles That's not fusion. It's like it's not fusion. It's like totally separate. It's the best idea ever But it's just like you just order. It's like it's like small plate style Oh my god, I got queso fendido a fish taco and a big bowl of cold sesame noodles That's fantastic. Yes. All my favorite things So good. That's a good place. Yeah, I eat there once. It's a hose andre's restaurant. Yeah Um very fun So much good great cocktails I just sat at the bar and chatted up the bartender for like an hour and a half and just like shoved food into my face Oh, and I met a fan. I met this uh, david came up and said hello He was a buzz out loud fan. Oh sweet. Oh I don't think so But he was he was really nice. I had a lot of buzz out loud fans come up and say hello. I didn't tell Which was cool. Did you say well, you should catch me on daily tech on your show? I did I said, well, you know tom and I are still still working together A lot of them knew what you were up to which is good People always know what you're up to and they never know. They're like, so what have you been doing for the past 10 years? I'm like, oh That's because I always I hear you on it's always I hear I used to hear you on twit a lot What are you doing now? I get that one sometimes as well I used to hear you on twit a lot. What are you doing now? Like I'm on gadget That's why one should always stay a producer because then you never have to worry about that And then somebody recognizes you that's very nice But it's not to be expected It's never it's always the old thing It's always the the buzz out louder is and sometimes I get tixela. Where's kate? I know where kate is Cate patella. Yeah, I mean we were getting emails wondering where kate patella went after she left screensavers in 1999 When tech tv closed down in 2004 Some people just you know You'll see her Get on the dial Hi, ellie Say hello Hi, ellie ellie bellie bobellie banana fana fofelli me mama mele smelly ellie She's beating up daddy to the beat ellie ellie ellie look over here. Do you know your name? Hey, banana cake. She's waking up. Hey puddin face Hey, sleepy burger. We went from daily food news show to daily baby news show It's the best We need to get uh, is she talking? Is she making sounds? Oh, yeah, she's been making sense for the past month and a half Bobo, Bobo actually came over. Yeah, get bodega on the camera and then somebody start a rock band And we'll have everything we need for high ratings I'll get bodega up here. I have an internet friendly prom meranian. We can do this That is the one if you get two dogs in a baby in a rock band. That's right Oh, oh, that's a big down Hi bodega. Oh look it's a dog. Look look ellie Oh my gosh, this is the cutest somebody screen capture this Hi Jacks is like why are you torturing me? Say hi jacks. Hey jacks you want to treat? Oh snap booboo jacks you want to treat I'm gonna treat. Oh, he's so cute. Do I go for a walk? Oh I already gave this one a w Oh, that's true. That'd be oh, he's so cute He or she she oh She's so cute. He's as big as I am. I was like, she's so human She's just hanging out. She's a baby before she's I was talking about my day My fur baby Oh, her ears smell so good. Oh, hi Is she a golden? She's half golden half yellow lab. Yeah Oh, my baby's half too. She's a she's a golden ore Staying right away from that. Oh, she's pushing off. She's pushing off There we go This is how we cuddle Oh, great My big baby Bodega looks like super relaxed. Yeah That is a chill dog She's the most chill How much does she walk earlier? Like 40 pounds No, she weighs 80 pounds almost Oh my gosh, so she weighs more than jango Yeah, I always think of them as being By the same size She went on a diet so she might be a little less now So I would just like to acknowledge that in january of 2016 I have a job where we get to hang out after the job and hang out with our pets and our babies It's a pretty good job and hang out with the internet and the internet Jango or so you're up. Hey internet. I hear you like dogs and babies Yeah, we can handle that We got that So I put some babies in your dogs. Wait Never mind What are you fidgeting for? Look at her teeth. She's got nice big teeth How old? She's uh Two and a half Yeah Dax needs to go get his teeth cleaned because he has one real stinker that I'm worried about We have the two the bones the like the like dental cues You get them from their prescription And they really helped the plaque Yeah, this came to you It's like this came with the dog and then I didn't realize it because I was like my first dog that I've had as a grown-up And I just looked like a month ago. I was like, oh no, and I got real worried. So Yeah, the dog doesn't know it, but he is bound for anesthesia I know Yeah, I took her in and asked about a cleaning and they were like, um Like she doesn't need it yet. It's not it's not bad enough. If you give her these dental chews It'll really help and then just keep up with the tooth brushing Oh, let's get to your toothbrush That is awesome Yeah, she's because we did it since she was a tiny puppy I'm not smart I have to start brushing her tooth Her tooth her single tooth. Yeah, it's in her lower You want to talk? Open up little B. No, not your hand Show, show, show, show And you can kind of see it there One of these days soon enough she'll be eating people food Yeah, I'm glad you said food I'm so hungry I think what I've learned is that green juice is just like not for me You know, we just have to do the right the right combination of things. Yeah, banana was what I think threw me off Oh, no, that's bad. What? It was like I couldn't make my own It was like I looked for the thing that had the most good things in it And this was pretty close. It had a banana and I just didn't have the strength plus it was $9 Yeah, they're always expensive and a lot of fruit and that's why I like I think smoothies are better than juice Yeah, because you get you get the fiber still. Yeah, you get the good stuff in there Juice is just all like sugar. It's all sugar and that's the thing they're coming now. We're back to dillitek food show It's all about the new the new medical consensus to replace last year's medical consensus Is really that like it's basically sugar and carbs are evil You should eat a lot of fat and a decent amount of protein Well, the right kind of fat. Sorry the right kind of sugar you need carbs The key is that you just need to eat the right amount for your body Yeah, and the amount for sugar is like almost none Well, you know, it's you know, a lot of people also depends on what kind of juice you're buying Like if you're buying a juice cocktail, that's typically like less than 10 percent actual juice Furthermore, yeah, no juice is just sugar. Like there's no way around it like Well, no, no, I'm saying but I'm saying that fruits fruits in general and some root vegetables like carrots are high in sugar and they generally if you're um, if you're uh When my wife was at gestational diabetes And all these things like oh you should need too many apples should need all too many Yeah, because they're they're high in sugar. I mean, yeah, they're grown that way for a reason, right? That's a bummer When fruit and juice is bad for you. It's a bummer. Well, I mean, yeah, it's just Fruit is not bad for you. No fruit is not bad for you But uh, it used to be it's like oh, you could just eat a I don't know whatever everybody's bad He's different. I'll leave it. Yeah All right. Well, that is it. Thanks everybody for watching. Thanks babies. Thanks dogs. Thanks food. I'm gonna stay like this for a while I know