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This is a great saint and not only is it a great saint, but she is instrumental into a very respected and Important apparition to the Catholic faith. I feel like she's pretty well known But maybe people don't know her full story. So listen in for Saint Bernadette Subaru boom name-dropped. Let's get into it Yeah, so she was born January 7th 1844 and her name actually was Marie Bernard as I say, I think so Yeah, and first child of nine So that's good. But unfortunately born into a very very poor extremely poor family Like it was really sad in Lord's, you know, southern France. So she's a French girl and Yeah, it was a struggle for her as a child I mean her parents Francois and Louis Louise Louise. That's it. That's it They lived in a basement of like a dilapidated building that you apparently used to be a prison cell and someone else's home Oh, yikes. And so it's just bad. I don't know. I was questioning that myself Did I read this wrong? Maybe it wasn't a home. Just like a building a basement creepy Okay, one room and they all lived in that same room. There's like what was that 11 of them? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so so much suffering Now thankfully though her parents were devout and so she was baptized two days after her birth at a local parish Oh, I love that. So they weren't playing around. They they were knocking it out though suffering is apt Because as when she was a toddler she contacted cholera and had extreme asthma that she ended up suffering with for the rest of her life Um, and she just had poor health No matter what if and I'm looking at our producer. She gave me a look. She's she's been given so listen folks I've said I've made two oopsies in the past four episodes. We try to aim for zero oopsies, but we're not perfect So we have a rule that if either of us are going to say something that leans towards the oopsie cliff that she shouts out So you didn't say anything wrong though. I said something about one of the disciples and then like this episode Well, she was giving me a look. So I was just making sure now. You're so good. Okay, but yeah, her father was a miller And so yeah, so she really suffered with this asthma and she's had very poor health as a child Um, but she was she was chosen, right? Big time she was chosen. She was really chosen. She's a she was a winner And so we're scooting ahead a little bit now, but about 14. This is when the first sighting happens about this this I don't want to I mean, obviously. I think most people know who are, you know, the story of lords and or maybe like a Uh, overall sense and we're kind of going into the details, but really it's a Marian apparition, right? But at the time she didn't quite know Who it was that she was seeing as it's written She is going to get firewood with her. I think it was a sister and a friend And a quote very beautiful lady appeared to her over a rose bush in this little grotto Yeah, so this is super specific and random, but apparently they were going to cross the stream But she had tights on our stockings and shoes and she didn't want to upset her Her family's for getting her stockings wet So she like was like wait hold on and she like took them off and then cross the stream and that's when she Saw her lady and the other two did not see her So it was just her eyes like she was the only one that could see our lady. Yeah Well, and so it's written so going back to the text The woman wore blue and white and made the sign of a cross using a rosary made of ivory and gold Bernadette described her as a small woman her friends and sister were not able to see her as you said and Three days later they go back to the grotto So they have this experience and I didn't really have anything as far as how it ended It just kind of that happened and then she didn't know who she was right right So three days later they all go back to the grotto and Bernadette immediately kneels down and and can see her again And basically it's written that she goes into a trance. She's just locked on And her sister and her friend are thinking what I'm not I don't see anything There's obviously something happening here, but I can't figure this out. What is happening? And she was only taken out of the trance when her I don't know if it was her friend and her sister or both They threw rocks and holy water And so apparently that's what it took to break the trance. But yeah, I mean Yeah, which is actually fairly common just being in a trance during an apparition That's a common experience for people But our lady was carrying a rosary of ivory and gold and apparently she just was like glowing gorgeous, right? Of course make sense. Of course, right so Then I don't know if this was so there I should say that there was multiple sightings and In my notes, it's a little bit muddy as to what happened when I was trying to narrow it down as closely as possible, but basically At one point Bernadette said that you know and and speaking again She didn't know that this was a mary and she didn't know this was mary just yet So it's written that the apparition asked her to return to the grotto each day for fortnight Which is two weeks And each time she the virgin Mary appeared to her and they I guess just talked which is pretty incredible What do you think about that? And she was the only one continually who could see our lady nobody else could see her right? And so this is when she was 14 years old So people were confused because people started hearing about this and they started coming To to witness her talking to our lady and she's like what is going on? Who are you talking to who is this person like tell us her name Yeah, she started asking questions. Yeah. Well, they weren't just confused. She was getting pushback Her parents were super embarrassed. Her parents even tried to get her to stop going and she refused. She's like, I'm not I'm not gonna stop Really tough. It's really hard and I think I mean if I was to put myself in their shoes they're already in they're already as far as like Social stature goes or status goes. They're on the bottom I mean and at that time too as we've talked about with other saints. It's really important So the last thing I think they want is attention being brought And we'll kind of get into it later because she ends up getting visited and pretty much interrogated and So i'm skipping ahead though, but So on february 25th She basically has this vision that changes everything She was told to drink up the water of the spring to wash in it and to eat the herb that grew there As an act of penance. Apparently it was like muddy water. Yeah, it was really gross water and probably probably um, what's a what's a Uh vegetable you don't like brussel sprouts. That's probably there Brussels sprouts are disgusting. That is absolutely maybe it wasn't even an edible food. Oh, yeah, maybe it's like a dandelion or something Those are edible. Anyway, the next day The i'm trying to put myself there and imagine but you know The next day the grottos muddy waters had been cleared and fresh water flowed. So after she ate the mud the money Grassy whatever it was whatever the herb was she put that all over her mouth. She had mud everywhere people are confused What are you doing child? Like they thought she was going crazy Like she was like putting mud on her face and they're like what's wrong with you Right, she's like I have to do this right and then later it became clear and they were like All dumbfounded like whoa what happened to this like really gross water It's it's been a mud for god knows how long and suddenly it is absolutely clear So at about the 13th visit is what I was able to find Bernadette told her that the lady Basically informed her. Hey, you need to build a chapel here and there needs to be a procession formed You would look you look like yes. No. Yeah, that was it. Mm-hmm Yeah, and I mean our lady was also emphasizing for her prayer in penance For the sins of mankind and asking everyone to pray and to To do penance, right? So about the 16th visit again, this is why this is a little bit complicated because I happened so many times 16th visit apparently lasted well over an hour and this is what you were saying She was trying to get the name of who this was she apparently asked like three times like over and over again She said please tell me your name And she she hadn't said yet until finally and so the woman well and every time she asked the woman apparently just kind Of smiled at her was like, I know you want to know but i'm not gonna tell you but as you said she finally told her and she said I am the immaculate conception. Okay, so here's the thing at this time like we said She was very poor so she was not well educated at all very virtuous and you could tell she had a pure and innocence about her Right, but she didn't know a lot of information So it wasn't that long ago that it was stated that The immaculate conception was even like a thing like people had just come up with this like theologians had just decided It was like only a few years before so she would have no Idea of what that was Like when she heard our lady say that she didn't know what the immaculate conception was so she didn't know Then she's like, okay, what does that mean? And so then the priest that was really asking like who who are you seeing? Um, she went and told the priests the immaculate conception and they were all floored They're like, are you serious? That's a lady? Well, because she was questioned intensely by church authorities because this this would become a big thing at this point And we're gathering right even the french government right even the french government had gone involved and were questioning her Analysis was run on the water. I don't know what that means. It was written down But at that time they were trying to figure things out, but they confirmed that she was telling the truth And um, there's been analysis run since this is kind of a side note speaking on the water And nothing was found to be different about it other than it had had like a higher mineral content Which is pretty common for spring water anyway For my understanding I could be totally wrong. That may be an oopsie. Someone can correct me But um 69 cures have been verified through the lords medical bureau As of this particular source that i'm reading from I had that written down to yeah, and it may have been more Sure. Yeah, people have been healed from this water It's consistently pretty incredible. That's a lot of healings and there's and I think we're going to get into it But there's you know now a church built around it and there's people who still yeah It's huge if you go to see it you can see the little they have a statue there Where our lady where she saw our lady and then another stretch with her and it's it's really set up I mean, it's a massive pretty incredible now apparently Very few visions has ever gone through as much scrutiny as the visions of Bernadette and lords So as context this stuff is highly highly highly scrutinized And it's one of the reasons why as you just said I mean there are churches I I haven't written somewhere but there are churches that are built around this It's this huge deal like this is a this is fully embraced by the church Well, that's the coolest part like you just said because this is verified by the church like approved unapproved apparition Right, so this isn't just like her Vision and it's like oh you could believe it or not, right right? No, it's completely approved by the church Exactly, and it's one of the most popular pilgrimage sites On the planet lords france. I know my folks have gone there apparently the bathing situation is interesting, but you know look it up Yeah, well, maybe maybe not You just go visit and find out So I guess at this point she's getting a lot of attention Obviously because she's she's basically the only one communicating with our lady You know all these things are happening the government's involved the church is involved people are being I would even assume back then people are being cured of whatever is going on And uh, she didn't like the attention So she wanted to go to a hospice school that was run by the sisters of charity Or rather she did go to hospice school run by the sisters of charity and that's where she learned to read and write And uh at that point she decided hey, I want to be a carmelite Of course, he doesn't want to be a carmelite carmites are pretty much the best I'm not biased or anything, but they're pretty much the best But unfortunately her health was far too poor. She couldn't join which is reflected by so many saints that we've talked about These these young women who want to go into these different orders And are held back for one reason or another and most often it's health, which is really interesting And I'm kind of wondering what the the through line is to that but that's just an aside So yeah, this is when she was 22 that she had decided to join the sisters of charity But then like he said later on unfortunately, she suffered from tuberculosis And did you have anything else on her before? Well, I have uh in july july 29th in 1866 She became a religious postulate and got her habit with the sisters of charity Um, she spent the rest of her life working there as an infirmary infirmary assistant words are hard in sacristan And uh, it was written about her that she was incredibly humble and had a very strong spirit of sacrifice Yeah, so much so that once a nun asked her if she had temptations of pride because she was favored by the blessed mother And she said how can I the blessed virgin chose me only because I was the most ignorant I love that isn't that powerful. I just love that So it's a humble soul, right? And so then as you said tuberculosis and the bone of her right knee very specific. That's so specific Yeah, uh, and then because of that she was unable to continue her work Which is really sad. She died at the holy cross infirmary at the age of 35 on april 16th 1879 while praying the rosary And it's important to note that she did suffer tremendous pain Um from that sickness and would often offered up saying penance penance penance All of this is good for heaven and her last words as she was praying were Blessed mary mother of god pray for me a poor sinner a poor sinner. Oh, wow Very powerful that is amazing and uh, so now it gets into a more like there's I should note that there's so much about her story And this next part that we're getting into i'm only going to briefly touch on because it's just so wild Yeah But so she's exhumed after 30 years So she passes 30 years later they exhume her and she's found to be incorrupt Even though the rosary that she had been holding was buried with the crucifix had oxidized So it was clear that the elements had gotten to it a little bit, but she was incorrupt. So there Right, so they wash her and redress her and bury her in a newer double casket. I'm I I didn't find out much about that I'm assuming just based on the name that it's supposed to be more protective. They're tight I don't know something then she was exhumed a second time They can't leave this poor woman alone and examined they're curious and found to be more intact Or she was intact. She wasn't incorrupt. She was intact in different places Again though, this is over 30 years at this point. That's why you should be totally You know not trying to be gross, but yeah So then she was exhumed again. Oh man. Yeah In 1925 this time relics were taken as well as other preparation for her. So like they did a Wax mold of her face for anyone who's familiar with the incorruptible saints how they kind of have it set up, you know, they do like a I don't know if it's flat. I don't know how they make it, but they try to make the the I don't know the right word for it. They basically have a gosh Heaven forgive me. I don't know a better way to say this a mannequin For lack of a better term sure that is designed to look exactly like it So the wax mold everything is is as much as real as as the person is possible. Yeah listeners. Forgive me That was probably the worst explanation of that. I don't know. Are you good? But uh Anyway, so relics were taken they prepared and interestingly enough, there's an article written by the doctor. This is weird, Jordan There's an article written by the doctor who examined her and wrote that her muscles were still quote firm and supple so That's not like again. This is well over. She died in what? What was it? 18 1879 And this final exclamation was in 1925. So that's a significant period of time Well over 30 40 50 years. I don't do math on the fly. So how many was it? You had it written down specifically her liver After 46 years. That's right. Almost completely normal. So he also wrote to me He also wrote that yeah again 46 so I did do the math beforehand and I just made myself look like an idiot. You're good. It's okay It's accurate That's a long time. He wrote so she's she's so 46 years after her death Her liver specifically was still almost completely normal and the doctor was like, I don't understand it This is he basically wrote that this is one of the organs that goes first It's just gone and this is 1925 Yeah, and this is almost 50 years after her death and it's totally normal. It's like wow So that being said she was beatified in 1925 and canonized in 1933 But I hope the 11 right that is the history of st. Bernadette Let's talk about How her story applies to our modern life and you guys by the way can still like we said go and visit This spring it's still flowing. It says at a rate of 32,000 gallons a day So you can go visit the waters and possibly find some healing right? Um, and that's in france. Check it out lord. Yeah, beautiful place. Take us with you if you go france been there. It's awesome Yeah, so it's just amazing. Okay. So here's a quote this I thought this quote was really cool I don't know if you had this But our lady spoke to Bernadette at the garage that I do not promise to make you happy in this world But in the other as you can see that she still suffered a lot even though she had this like Crazy encounter with our lady at a young age. She had tuberculosis like she couldn't enter when she wanted to She still suffered so much and our lady had said that to her specifically. You're going to suffer um And so it's just I mean it fascinates me who god chooses For these moments here on earth that are so supernatural Like an innocent small poor child who's uneducated like that's who he chooses for these amazing incredible moments Like the humblest of humble, um And and that just really reveals I think how tender and compassionate our our god is And he chooses the small so that they can be lifted up And that's what he talks about all the time in scriptures that we must be small so that he can raise this up So he that he is risen, right? Not us, right? Because oftentimes it can be tempting to be like, let me just like lift myself up. Let me look good right now Um in pride, um, but but he raises the lowly and the humble and he says that a lot So I think this is a good reminder too of just that humility and it's also, you know What really stood out to me was just the and I you know, I'm a broken record because I talk about this often but Just the purposeful suffering I mean she suffered so much but she did it in such a way that it served All those around her and it served heaven ultimately. I mean Penance penance penance, right? Like taking the pain recognizing that she was afflicted with this horrific pain, but she could still offer it up She could still give things she can still say lord, you can use this You can set souls free like do not let my suffering be in vain. I give this to you and I suffer in I gosh, I wish I could think of a better word, but just in gratitude and That's always beautiful to me. That's a powerful thing. I mean I've said it before We're told to carry our cross and nothing about that is easy There's gonna be suffering in this life No matter what no matter what even if you have visions of our lady Who come to you and talk to you and tell you what to do and guide you and lead you and allow you and Move through you to change the world as we know it Right, you're still gonna suffer and how do you handle that? And I think it's just a beautiful example or she gives a beautiful example of how to do that Like yeah, I had this great stuff happen I had this bad stuff happen and all I did was cling to the cross and I gave I gave everything that I had in myself To god I gave everything that I had to god to god through me or yeah to god through mary, right? And it's just very beautiful. So Yeah, and the love that she must have felt and known from our lady in those 18, you know experiences that she had I just feel like those must have been just such pure authentic moments where she I don't know It must have been blissful. I'm sure it must have so I'm sure there was a part of her that just like longed for that Again, I mean a taste of heaven, right? She had that on earth But she fought it out, you know, she stuck with it and and waited waited it out and And she lived a beautiful life for the lord So Yeah, this little girl experienced so much and she wasn't filled with pride That's just what amazes me after all that people were asking her like, don't you think you're something else? Like don't you think you're special? She's like, no, I'm nobody. That's why God chose me. Yeah Um, I guess that's what stood out to me the most And what it seriously amazes me that she's the only one that could see our lady too. Yeah, like that's so specific Only her nobody else. 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