 Agenda revisions. There may be an addition. I'm gonna wait for bill to come. I think there's an addition at least to the discussion respondents I Know that Jack is here to Suggest that we move that Yeah I have no information An athletic director model which we used to hear years ago, and we're using the rec board or rec person versus Person, and I was wanting more information about why and I knew there had been maybe smoother Work going on using the athletic director in school or not, so I Can speak to just the history of my nine years. It's always been the record since I've been here it could have Yeah, yeah, so in my time it's been the record So I can't speak to before that or how long ago that was but we have had it that way at least the last nine years And also the town voted two years ago, right? So that we can operate with talents How you guys operate? I have that wrong. I don't think they really vote with cows. Yeah, there was a change in the In the rec field So you were not just attached to East Montpellier that you could have callous kids and well as a lot program we do We have space certainly welcome students from other programs who may not have a program over maybe a situation different situation so we've we do that I think that's so I just See you know me. I'm currently the rep for chair, and I also I've been a coach and a parent of kids who played here for seven years or so now I Don't know about that piece. Historically. We are the only rep program remain most recent Berlin school board meeting that they may consider going back to that model. My understanding is that a couple years ago callous Remove themselves from that model my back to the school model There's an athletic director that shared by callous in Berlin There is I guess they have the title There's a person who's different this year than was last year, but who's overseeing that and in my experience Jody does not have anyone who plays any of those roles that this will take on all those pieces So we all operate. I think a little bit differently For me what I've seen having worked with again as a parent as a coach and now the last couple years more Because of the way we're set up, I think the resources that we're able to offer students the opportunities we're able to offer students I think Is a great benefit to the kids here at this month? Meaning the record the setup of our program. Yes, so we have a coordinator for soccer program here We have a coordinator for basketball. We have a coordinator for baseball Just in the last couple years in my dealing directly with basketball programs I've seen other schools struggle in their model of the budget just to get five extra basketballs or to upgrade something then you just to be able to to do with any to to really function at the same levels as other schools and Because of our model, I've seen a situation where we have the resources if we needed to put to put back into our programs Which we do on a yearly basis We've never in my time as a coach here for years. I've heard my time here More of an administrative level have I seen situation where we couldn't address the problem right away? And make it a better situation for the the kids in our programming as well as the record here We do there's a registration fee that we use and that Generally all that money goes back in To that program same for soccer same for soccer. Yes The money that we're allocated money by the time each year And then the money that we earn through registration for our products here as well as Concessions of their soccer jamborees that sort of thing. That's all rolled back into the program. So last year I was able to we had a We had a switch in the in the district where we switch the size of the balls that three four students used to small Or a perfectly sized ball for them. We were able to upgrade Our materials right away to get the appropriate number of balls cages I was able to get uniforms a lot of pieces and I heard and watched and tried to Help with advice other folks in the district struggle to even pull things together to that Even though we had all voted this was the right thing to do So just in my experience I feel like our programs is set up really well to Give our students our student athletes here Whatever they need and because again, we're a program if there's somebody we get students here who are Or to ballet kids or again occasionally a kid from a month earlier or cows or somewhere for some other reason This is a better We're a lot for those opportunities because of the resources we have they have a family can afford to pay the registration fee We can scholarship them. So I've seen a lot a lot of great results in the program here my time I've seen the difference in the program seeing it now the last two years the rest of the programs in the district So I feel strongly that we're doing things the right way The school's perspective It's a huge relief for me not to have it on my shoulders or to ever think about it or deal with it We do have our PE teacher who has been part of the report So he's kind of that liaison between school and the recs And he does all of the scheduling of the gym and that sort of thing. So I feel like the school does have a connection To the record not like totally out of the picture And obviously they're all our kids But I don't deal with the headaches of what I hear some of the other principles and schools dealing with that side of things Yeah, I'm always kept in the know but I don't have to be For me Yeah Was I know there's recently from a meeting related to the soccer wrap up that I Was Thoughts right now either way or leanings at this point From my perspective, it is not a proposal to do something Don't fix Callous has a mixture Worcesters on town fields Thank you There Would be under discussion is about working with cows for music Instruction and right now there's points I'm gonna just gonna say this please do not react because we need to give you the discussion but a point one Reduction So then the action item to To reduce it by I'm going to bring us back to the Matt are you here with a particular piece Some particular thing we move it up Okay, so I'm going to ask if I could have a motion to approve the minutes of October 24th So moved All of those in favor Say Okay before we Get too far into this. I just wanted to do some context setting with the budget and where we're at right now and Alicia will take care of all detail questions. We'll go to Alicia So I don't have to build those No, and all seriousness one of the things I want to talk about is a little bit just where we are this year and with budget development so Steven was part of a meeting at the executive committee back in August where we tried to think up a way of developing budgets this year with act 46 not knowing where that was going to conclude or what the Recommendation would be from the state board Also during this time of transition I believe trying to be as open with a budget process as even more than we haven't been in previous years is a good place for us to be As of today and I've been saying this to all the boards And you're the last one to hear it. I don't even know what town reports gonna look like in the town report So things are really up in the air I think when that when we have times like these the best thing to do is keep things as open even more open Then we think they should be so my my decision that I've made and I've talked with all the chairs about this and have been given support of it is That what we're gonna do is we're gonna bring you this is a level service budget. Nothing's really changed in here It's kind of taking up that there were student need changes. We adjusted for that and gave you what the budget is for next year You know, we know that it looks like the board's gonna Approve us to be a force merger from what they provisionally have done so looking at that You know, we're our plan is to combine all the budgets the way they are Into one budget and not look at things across the whole spectrum and look for FY 21 For efficiencies and reduction and savings So that said I still would like to have as much input into the budget process So my plan is that we bring you this Here in November and December will bring you a draft to because once the Board the state board rules The board that has Authority over FY 20 is the new board that is seated at town is elected at town meeting day if all the timelines work So in that case the transition board that's called for in the articles that sits somewhere from the 30th day beyond the state ruling They have two tasks to set up a way for elections to happen and Develop a recommended budget to be recommended to the new board so I think any and knowing that most of the people that will be on the transition board and I'm Inferring that at least some of our if not most of our members of that new board will come from existing board members That doing this work here together will make it a lot easier and that a lot smoother So my plan is to keep bringing you but bringing you a budget December and in January It may mean we usually you've had a meeting on Martin Luther King night because that's the tradition. It's the third Monday My real quandary is right now and I was talking to one of our town clerks today about it as I said I just don't know what the town reports gonna look like it could be as much as the principal and superintendents and More chairs letters and saying please stay tuned for more information on the budget You know, I think we'll have some other things in there about act 46 and Things going forward. I but I just don't want to presume that you know And it's also going to be letting our electorate know that hey you used to get a town report that looked like this And now it looks like this and why is that and where we're at? I think that's going to take a lot of communication starting here in December I'm really kind of waiting for the I've already started working with Ben Merrill our communication expert that has done all the Publications you've seen the past two years and putting something together as an FAQ of What's going on? But just really waiting for that. I was working on that today So the budget that you have here It includes 11 at 11.8 percent health increase I'll let at least you go through some of the transitions the WCSU assessments when this was developed this budget Was just set at 3% the WCSU budget not the assessments, but the budget came in at 1.96 percent and the executive committee came back for us to come with more Possible additions for improving student outcomes So we'll be talking about that tomorrow night And then so then you see overall the pieces that are in here. I can talk specific So that's why I'm gonna let you go for there Is it does everyone have page four? I saw it I didn't get to work I'll share the staffing changes because most of that is actually reflective of this year's changes So last year when you budgeted for this year We had changes in staffing and changes in the student needs Which was actually a decrease in student needs this year from what we had last year Which is that point by savings in a para educator? We also don't need that point by para educator next year So it's not here now and we're not adding anything back next year and then the staffing change right below that the 17,000 is We had changes in staff. So those who left are retired were More expensive than those who are here now Other than that, it's basically taking What we have currently so that that ended up being A little over 52,000 savings this year and looking at ahead to next year But otherwise everything is rolled up From what we currently have to next year in this draft. Does that make sense? um With one exception, I believe and that is the new agenda item To talk about I don't think it's that's not that's not there but it's not that much That's not much. I think it's a little over 7,000. Yeah If anyone has a question That's not a question. That's not something you guys have to go over but I'm just curious the Health insurance inflation. Yeah Did that have to do with are you guys using a different? We're still using vi we switched plans switch plans. And are you Using a different intermediary. Oh, yeah, we are but that was out of wash. That's yeah, that's not if that doesn't even get into this Yeah, that's a whole mother So it doesn't get into this it's accounted It it It doesn't have a big effect overall. There's a lot of talk about it, but budgetarily. It's not a big It's not a big effect I didn't need details Percent comes in I think We can do the same thing we're doing this year for that budget change I'm happy with it. Yeah, the other contextual that steven you've heard me say But I haven't had a chance to say to this board is the current Price index for september For a 12 month for new england is 3.3 percent And government and educational spending is 2.9 percent in new england So that's the inflation rate. Some people know what is that with consumer price index cpi Just to give you a point of reference Yeah, that's I think we've done I think we've done well I mean all of our budgets in washington central on the expenditure side Expenditure sides. We're doing great across all our budgets. I think our highest might be three three two or three three for level service Well, we've talked some and I don't remember who or what meetings or what I have no idea what's going on. I think sometimes But over the past three four or five years We've been able to continually gradually position where east one pillar is spending wise across the state From right at the very top I still wouldn't want to suggest we're not a high spending school But we've been steadily moving Down the list So closer and closer to average spending So I'm not Like I said if we can keep doing exactly what we're doing and At that percentage I'm happy with I wouldn't look to take more out of it Yeah, I'm happy to I want to just do as the question remember last year we took out some money and then you know It was just one balance, but there were some needs and we had like reduced 30 percent interventions in one area We're I'm assuming we're not doing this and if we needed more You would be saying that here. I haven't you haven't asked the question yet, so I haven't told you what I think Yes, no, so we have we have increased interventions from what we had last year I feel like on the academic side of things. We're in a good place and we have Um, we have the right people doing the right things. I had talked last month about we don't have like a math interventionist Any reading they they do whatever's needed based on the data um The one area that we've spent a lot of time talking about and this is no surprise To anyone are our students Um in trauma or those who have social emotional behavioral I won't even say behavioral social and emotional needs they come in in a in a very different place than Then we would hope for them to come in and they We have um, I don't know exactly what that would look like But I feel like if there's any place that we're not meeting kids needs and and we're doing a great job of We have a cohort of teachers who works with Dave Melnick. Um, this is our second year working with him Bringing strategies back to the school sharing with their colleagues. Um, there's another group of teachers and myself We're going to be taking a course with Dave beginning in january So I feel like we're trying to get educated and and learn how to better serve them. Um But that is probably our pocket of students who I feel the least great about what we're doing and how we're serving them. Um I have no answer to you what that should or could look like just knowing that I feel like on the academic side and the interventions and Um, you know when we talk content areas, I feel like we're You know, I feel like we're doing the right things for kids. Um Um The social emotional trauma background children and families. I feel like we need to do a better job So, I know that you're saying you don't know what that means, but who that means that we Should be putting something aside just in case that we are able to figure out since we're also Right and we know that that's one of the biggest We've talked a lot about what could that look like or should that look like and um You know, I think it's going to take some more exploring. You know, we talked about is it a is it a you know Some sort of a counselor or is it you know looking at how we use our guidance services? Or is it having somebody work with be able to be more of a liaison between school and home? Um, I think it it's something that is going to require more thought Um, so I would say this and this is one of the things that the executive committee will hear tomorrow night We can't give you details We know where the issues are we haven't had time to work with our staff To really try to figure out what the details are. This is the tough place of budgeting Where a decision has to be made on a money amount And you know, and that's what alicia and I've been talking about this a long time. I'm not I'm the one that's pushing hard on don't think of staff the way you considerly thought about it. You want things And I remember from 25 years ago on my teaching is we had social workers in the schools that I would service And those are very helpful to outwork with families. It's not that our guidance counselors do that too So, you know, what is it that needs to be and I don't think we have that thing figured out I don't think there's anyone That's that really does have that figured out about how you crack You know really help kids that are really struggling. It's a you know, it's a You see it and It's it's nationwide and probably international in some realm as well I think one of the issues here at east bone failure is the number of students We have the amount of FTEs we have of a biden's counselor. I don't I'm not saying that she is the answer or isn't the answer um, but She was reduced Pretty drastically when we hired her because we wanted to share position with calla. So we kind of gave some up and And knowing that we had mr. Sherwin's position We have the full-time And so the behavior is you know, I see that as a diff right like he can so when mary beth is here Basically what happens? It's a lot of tag teaming, you know, she'll she'll deal with a situation and then she's not back for two days So he'll take over and do what he can And he's very skilled with the behavior side of things, but this isn't always behavior You know or it may manifest in behavior, but it's a different Different issue or it's not not behavior at all um So just trying to figure out what what is the best solution to this issue? I don't know right now, but I I feel like we are We are not serving a population of students in a way that We should be serving them I don't know what that looks like yet. You know, we haven't I I know staff come to me all the time and You know, we have some pretty major Um families in crisis And pretty major crises, but What the is it a dollar amount? I don't know. Is it a person? I don't know I just know what you know what I hear coming to me So you're like you're sort of in the first step, right? Yeah to identify what is an area for improvement, but We don't have a course of action to think about or Consider or budget for so I mean here's the thing We could go I mean at least should I go sit in a room and make up a course of action But that's not the right way to do it The right day is to get our experts who are out there working with the kids and say So what do we what do we know? Let's review that that's I just said three months worth of work Right. So what I'm hearing and maybe I'm being overly simplistic about it But what I'm hearing is that this isn't something that we're going to do for this budget cycle Well, I not unless we get something between now and next next budget cycle for you and that's that doesn't mean we'll win this is and I don't This is good work to be doing like identifying this issue is important But in terms of the work of this board It's sort of like what you were just saying unless we have a proposal in front of us Right now is to bring an awareness to you. You know, I do feel like I feel like this budget represents staffing wise Absolutely to meet the student needs academically, I feel like You know, there was an increase in interventions this year from last year We knew that you know things kind of dipped last year because we didn't have the personnel And I feel like we have the right staff. Um, I feel like this is the next right body of work to start thinking about is okay, so You know, what about these kids in crisis and families in crisis and how do we support them? And what does that look like and what's the school's responsibility? Um And in asking teachers, which I have I've done a lot of listening to teachers But asking them so what would that look like if if you know, this child's needs are met. What would that Look like and I feel like that is the next body of work for us to so, you know I wanted to bring the awareness to you and and see what your thoughts were on it and You know, you tell me what? Should it be something that we think about right now? Should it be something to say? Really and from from my point this is going to sound cruel But it isn't we're not there with a plan and the other thing is we haven't we're just starting to Trying to engage we've been trying for a long time and we're working with our outside agency partners So it's getting that really clear um and it's you know All the schools in washington central and most of the schools that I know of this are dealing with the same issues It's just that the issues have become more acute and much earlier in age And so for elementary schools, it's new but we've Had some of these same issues in middle schools and high schools. It's just that we're seeing it earlier And it may not even necessarily be new we have this a different awareness than that right and and People care and not that they did it before but it's like oh, yes, and look at this child And this explains a lot now that we're better educated about What happens outside of school? So what can we do about it and the teachers in this building? One of the best things about them is that they care so much and they want something to happen You know, they don't turn their eye and look the other way when a child comes in Well, I think that's one of the things, you know, like we can't completely let it fall just on them Because they're gonna do something, you know final protocol, whatever, but if we can we know that a kid can't lose a year or weight So even if we are able to put, you know a Very little pocket of money inside. Well, you guys I think because we just budget once a year Right, we don't budget all the time. So if every school pledged to put, you know x amount to whatever that is Social workers they While you guys are figuring out what what you're doing because that kid doesn't you know, doesn't have that Year to lose and since we're doing all that work And trauma, you know, I I totally understand what you're saying, but I just feel like If we know that if we know that the need is there and so I can't quantify the need The need not the need might not be addressed by money Yeah, it might be addressed by changes within the system I'm I'm I'm not in favor of just putting money in the budget because maybe we need it Maybe we need it I mean If there's a specific proposal but if it's And if we want to just kind of put this slush fund in there That's a that's a bad word to use to put this contingency money in that we don't even know if we're going to use I don't think we want to even have that discussion What I what I would like to do and I will begin doing Is having the conversation with the staff around what you know, what what is it? What is the current reality? What are the needs you see? How are they not being met? What would that look like if they were met? Because it's just not a conversation we've had we just haven't We haven't had to to this point and I feel like we do well and So maybe this comes hard too Um, I don't question the caring and I don't question the sincere efforts But an issue like this may require input From expertise outside of our school I think that It has to the the the staffs have to be involved and I agree a hundred percent But I in some ways I think it's unfair to say okay staff of each one pill you figure out this Probably where I would say this That's what you have a general fund balance for Okay Right because if it's somewhere if we need it we need it I mean you guys you know this if we if we need it if we can't reconfigure the budget We usually come to you but All the principals know my first question which is so where's that in your budget? We're going to shift And usually find it But because it's really a matter of reprioritizing Um Any other discussion of budget draft number one So just we'll be coming back in a month is you this is So As far as draft two do you want a draft two? Do you need a draft two? Well, I want them to have a draft two and I want them to know more numbers And frankly I want them to start to see some comparisons of what it looked like individually with the whole work We need the next You mean as a part of the SU I want them to look at it two different ways I mean, yeah, they're we need to have another budget discussion So that they can But we're we're not telling alicia she needs to To Sorry, okay To have the conversation where you come up with a potential plan of action for this trauma Um, you can add it to budget two if you You know and we could evaluate that don't be afraid to do that if You magically have A lot of time And that's for the partners that I'll fall into line exactly Thank you, thank you and the report looked great too Excited about the numbers too Not a lot So yeah, uh, you'll see the the included in there was all the budget trends what you've seen every year So I didn't think I needed to explain that but then any questions over the budget Multi-year budget trends and the last page on page 16 is the one has the key figures for you about what's the penny What's the expense but Did you remind me the individual Enrollment versus equalized people? Uh, yes. So what happens is is um What they there's factors for different Uh categories of a student I think that's the nicest way of saying it. So if a student is on his free and reduced lunch, there's an increase There's a 25 increase. A student is is receiving um English as a second language service Um There's an increase to that what they want to do at the end if there's Let's say 75,000 students in brahmat, which is approximately right Um, they want the equalized pupils to actually meet the actual students So the way they do that is the last factor that gets changed is what Is the percentage of an elementary or the weight of an elementary student last year was about 0.93 Or 0.94, but it really changed last year came up like almost three or four percentage points because some the What was called phantom students from years ago were going away And so because of a whole another piece so that equalized means there's a certain weighting factor like for every high school student 9 through 12 there's a 3% bump High school is more expensive to run than the other schools So that all gets put into the mixture And then you'll hear about the weighting formula is there's a study that the legislature asked for and to redo all that in 173 um and brahmat has one of the least equitable funding formulas for students in the nation It's been graded and it's not it does not do well for kids in poverty or minority and so um and uh lindy's district barry's john's been one of the people championing that is that it's really not funding equal very equitable For brahmat and we've been graded on a pretty low curve on that So that's one of the reasons they're looking at that is to maybe reestablish The weights that are given for students with certain categories Does that answer Darcy so Not the equalized but just what we spend on kids and part of that's the rural nature of it And it's hard to Make it work 3.3 in the sba I was going to share three things so I because we didn't have time to talk about the conference and Bill was at the conference to October now it seems so long ago. That's why I like doing it right after it seems so Long ago and I'll be brief If you know you have to go to steven so the conference was the designing for equity and opportunity And the three things that I wanted to highlight it highlight was first carlin hill who was one of the presenters I ended up going to her workshop to build her to her speech At the at the beginning. She was wonderful. She did a whole history on why you know vermont is 93.7 White but three things that are related to the outcomes and that we Were been talking about is that she one of the things that she Said through the conference was that the assumptions made by adults of kids have a greater impact on the achievement gap You know as we are talking about this in our quality committee We keep talking about that and if we don't talk about all those biases We don't have the diversity in our schools, but we have the diversity in socioeconomics so So that was you know Great and you can google her up and she has great Things on on youtube and she has a small tech talk And then i've shared this with part of the group and the quality committee that And just wanted to share with you too that we're so focused on the outcomes sometimes that we forget about the experience So in you know, I feel like it's been important. It's not been doing a good job about acknowledging the whole child And it's how that translates into when we monitor we we're still you know We are doing a greater job now of how we monitor Certainly past meeting and we're still trying to to link You know that other part the whole child as you know, or what the experience in school Means for them And and then the last thing was she talked a lot about in and i'm big in this Interdependence is the true north. She kept saying through her other part of the Conference and part of that resilience movie and the trauma training We keep talking about you know, how that connection we got one adult is so important and what she was saying is that it's also Between it starts with us and that we're all interdependent like you know Like now that we're going to be a whole just one We're all interdependent with one another and the more that we realize that the better that we can get at writing New stories is what they call because he she focused a lot on that we do at this favor with the to the kids not just the diversity kids, but The other kids that you know the 93.7 percent of the kids in brahman because they are not aware Being able to be in in school Is also a handicap So she and you know and it's something that we need to acknowledge either you know by the books read or whatever we do so The I keep saying the last thing there's two more And then the last thing she said it was that there were two presenters But i'm going to just going to share her today the equity is a verve and is the process not the end And sometimes when we talk especially are just or we Keep referring as equity. It's like being that endpoint for us like how do we get there and you know In and that is a product of of design So the better that we do to redesign what we do right now, which is what we are trying to do And last and I wanted to ask Bill about this is that the NEA had Beth Beth O'Brien right do a little movie that is called I am from here And they showcase this movie and people that have attended the equity conference I think you were at the last not we were not but so that the equity conference in Montpelier to This movie is just The way that is described about institutional racism in brahman schools You know it's different where we are but bill talked about that there was some prep work needed before showing them At schools and I would like to move that process along. I know that we have a lot of it's a half an hour movie But I think it's super The kids do it the kids are doing it The what the kids are doing it. Alicia hasn't been contacted yet, but the kids are doing it Yeah, so I just wanted to bring The high school kids are doing something. Yeah, you're gonna get contacted soon. And they're the ones that they're a berlin They're a berlin, right? Yeah, okay. They're a berlin. They're getting ready for berlin from here No, it's not that but they have something Similar, okay. Yeah, but in any event that that movie would be so best of brand is the author is called I am from here And is that not the author by the n ea sponsored and she's the filmmaker and So Can I ask you what is the prep work needed? Our staffs need some training I'm in a public meeting. I'm not going to talk more about how big I'll talk to you later But it sounds like there is momentum from the students Yeah, and the other thing is that it's on the website of the I don't know the link is not on the website But Martha has been going Around talking about the the movies of you know one way or another the teachers are going to find about it And it's basically five teenagers talking about what is for them And my point is that especially, you know in our school There is no diversity. So just you know, it's very informative You know, why wait until there? It's great to and then this is a very Easy way to show I don't think there's anything that movie that is not appropriate for No, no So it'd be great to you know, I just wanted to bring attention to that and And then I'll talk about the other guy at the next meeting because so I always You guys need to go So thank you for listening up Thank you for sharing Two three point four act forty six update on subcommittees There are two subcommittees Who wants to go first? You can go first. All right, so Why is it fun? So I'm with that committee. I see you got it. Yeah So we've met three times. Um, I felt like today's meeting was actually pretty um A little bit more effective than the last one. Um, we We're in the process of reviewing five we went over pros and cons for five um I don't know if I found options or but you know potentially Um For how to handle the debt All except for one would require legislative actions. So But we're putting together pros and cons of each and We're going to develop a report To present at the december Supervisory board meeting Do you guys have any questions about the summit committee? Um, Scott Thompson rick, I don't know how to pronounce rick's last name Will Baker Peter Schrober Schrober and myself Nobody from bill six. Okay. Do you guys have more questions? I guess I do have a question just because I got some input. I didn't get this when I talked to you, but I got A focal from janitor's afternoon And uh, we had talked about and I know that your that committee brought up what we talked about Bringing part of our or as much of our capital plan that that and they did some research of what You know that is less than 35 cents for every dollar on medication Yep But even that we should think smart about that as a whole not just that's us if that is the best investment I assured is with even when I'm gonna head home Yep, but his fever is back over 103. So My son's had a fever and so He's home. He's home alone. So Yeah So so what is that is what we have thought you brought this up, but that we were smart about it So what they were saying is that we should think about Is that it might be better used to do work in other schools than to pay down The debt just because of the interest rate that we paid for you have to redo the bonds. Anyway, it's one of the things I was saying tonight We have to we don't I don't know if I can just transfer the bonds, but laura was talking to me We have to reissue all the bonds going into a merge district I think we have to think pretty carefully about that. Yes, because he doesn't really use On the tax, yeah And Right. So the discussion about that was it was All any It was a more of a sign of goodwill to the other times than anything Realizing that it wasn't going to have too much of an impact on it. I'm not sure that That makes a lot of sense There might be some other options Who where did this modeling come from? We don't have We don't have a so Scott Scott looks a modeling. It's got this modeling. Oh, right Okay, and we discussed that The modeling he did it actually didn't have the correct number for the correct numbers and some of it. So Okay, um So that was a part of the discussion Um But you're right. I struggle with I will say that I struggle with Numbers because and I was asking Bill for clarification earlier because I don't think we can nail it down to the actual effect on each town very accurately Anyways, until we get into the budgeting process and the numbers that it or the Publicly on front porch warm up places are not accurate. Yeah But Just because well, that's how loudly doesn't mean that they're accurate Right. So I guess what my emphasis today was I don't want to publish numbers that um, especially when they're long-term numbers that Would potentially change yearly That wouldn't Wouldn't accurately reflect the total burden on the other towns that Uh Yeah, so as one of the ideas to restructure the bond I don't know. I was talking with lauri the other day. It was a quick five-minute conversation But we were starting to list all the tasks we have to do and we have to reissue all the bonds I don't know if that means just change the names on them or if we actually have to go back out Once it's merged Go back out for it. I'm hoping we don't have to go back out We can just change names on all the bonds because the rates will be a lot worse now than they were then That would be goodness I don't think we do but I mean it's we have to do a lot of work with banks. I mean we have 42 Yes, 42 different bank accounts right now six times seven So and we're gonna bring them down to six Wow So, I mean, there's a lot there's a lot of financial work and a lot of legal entity work Yeah, so I mean once I mean that I've been telling this to everybody once there's a book from the board because of the timetable There's a rolling from state board we're gonna start because just to get to July one We're gonna start to get to that. Yeah, that's a lot. We got to start. So I mean one of the one of the things I mean Not Coming from East Montpelier it will sound selfish but one of the things I try to keep stating is We continue to look at Whatever the bonds the bond period is But in reality We're gonna be a merged district for the next I said the thousand years today For as long as we can foresee So so eventually short term problem. This is a short term problem And it's not a great problem to begin and I understand but eventually things will I don't know Right the thing that and I just want to state the facts because with the at that point there was federal money on the On the ground to build the schools That that's the difference There is Yes, my yeah, there's been there's been no state money since 2003 2004, right? Which goes back to the original one of the many rumbles about the bond which is that We had to do work when there was no external money whatsoever If those supports had not been deleted along the way and then our debt Well, I think that it would have it's gonna have to come back. I don't think it is for Because it well, it's with all the merger schools are gonna need And if there's no pressure it's not gonna come back through scott's administration for sure, but But it should if that's where I don't see it coming I think once it's been taken away like that, it's up to you to take care of your buildings or your schools and But it was not for taking care of your buildings and your schools But if it's it really truly what we care is for the best education of our kids The building. I know we do but you know, it's really just a matter of I mean when you really break it down It's just a matter of semantics, right? Which yeah The money comes out because it's all the same dollars. I said, so and it's all state dollars. So arguably this actually At least it's less complicated because you're not trying to bank on some external dollars And that's why we did it. It's all coming from the Ed fund. Yeah, I was gonna say So the next committee the Articles of Agreement committee We have met three times. They're gonna meet tomorrow and for 30 if anybody wants to join us we created A little table of priority So that we could start working on the Articles of Agreement and we had One really good meeting where we got through, you know, all of our first priority articles, which was nine, uh, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 And then at our last meeting we started to get in more of the hot items So we didn't do as much progress. We're still waiting for The verification met last Thursday not last Tuesday. Yeah last Tuesday And um at that meeting there were some changes. We had sent some questions. We we wanted to Clarify who could be appointed and What act 49 really meant if we actually can write articles of agreement she came back with Their amendments. So we're still trying to clarify that Get a council bill reached out to Scott Cameron in Tracy's Patricia Tracy Who's Because he's in the process of retiring. I don't know if you had any luck with he was going to reach out to Pietro and tomorrow we'll give some options for who we're going to pick as council and Right now the plan is to move ahead and keep it You know drafting articles of agreement with the understanding that they are Amendments, but if we put them out to vote that we would have the articles of agreement that best represent our new unified district Dona we sent them some questions after the meeting to try to get it on on writing and she's hoping to get back to us Before our meeting tomorrow. She didn't get back to me today and they're also putting out And a secretary French asked her to put an outline of what really the dates meant on those 90 days What does it mean and you know, you're going to go for a vote. So he's trying to do do a more comprehensive Cheat sheet of what that is But by any means we're not we're not done and we're hoping that on December Fifth, I guess we would have to decide what the next course of action is we haven't talked about that in our meeting yet, but You know the at least my hope and this doesn't represent the entire Board is that we're going to be able to go through all the Sarasota agreement get this to our legal council and be able to pass this on For that 90 day period and if they need to be cleaned up But keep something so that we're able to respond to something as opposed to trying to write her because of the agreement in a committee of 20 so I don't know if you have something to add bill or Matt is here. I've been I've acknowledged that I've been driving Matt a little crazy with my approach, but I just tend to be an optimistic But So who's on that committee? It's a good committee. It's Matt uh, chris mcbay Of course, I'm gonna forget about everybody right now chris winters And I'm trying to go around the table of the last one Dorothy and curry so it's So I think everybody has the intention of I I think we all feel like it would be nice to put something out to the voters. I do understand that it's going to be a question with Tom clerks, you know to bring out a special vote And you know, and we wouldn't want them to vote no on this because what it means would be sort of similar to very day, right you go out to We would just have the The existing What are they? I can't even think about it articles agreement. No, no, but the existing they're called the The article the boards that The draft so we would just have those 13 we wouldn't have been able to To put anything on it And it's not like we're gonna be that creative either because we're in you know It has to comply with the law and we're looking at the other other places in To tell you I don't think there's much else to say. I think you gave me a nice update Yeah, okay I believe that brings us to 3.5 the additional I was approached by cat um fair the principal at calis Recently there is a need for a music teacher in her building Very part-time position and we currently have a 0.7 FTE music teacher desmond player. So she does not work mondays or tuesday mornings. Sam doesn't The need from calis was a A 0.4 position So two days a week Which would mean we would need to find a decrease in a half day a week to make it work Sam and I spent a lot of time looking at her schedule And trying to make it be a doable job and not cut services for kids, of course We were able to make it work. She it would be a very tight schedule for her. She would be At calis all day on monday a half a day on tuesday and a half a day on friday Um, but I was able to make it work with classroom teachers to do some shifting. Um, she's going to just be Um, her planning periods will look differently, right? She may be there planning for here or here and that happens It's happened with a guidance counselor. It happens with the art teacher and it works. Um, The the benefit to all of this is that it will serve calis kids, which they need a music teacher Right now and the benefit for sam is it will give her full time, which she's really wanted and needed So cat actually texted me as we sat down, please let me know what the board said So I would like to make the recommendation it can work It can work without cutting programs to kids And with with sam just needing to be a little bit more flexible and We're shifting in schedules, which the teachers were good about the hope is to begin after Thanksgiving We started working on this about a week and a half ago But it would mean a change in her fte beginning After Thanksgiving and and the proposal would be That this would continue on calis and and we have had great working relationships with lots of other teachers in the past Um and continue to have that and it just works well for staff To be able to have full-time work I can't go into no, I know I was but they did have a music teacher now now right now, but they had in the past They they had they had one for resigned They effective last Thursday for calis. It's just to maintain. Yeah Okay, yeah So the only question that occurs to me is Can a teacher have like 1.1 fte between the two? No No, my labor And it's over time or die It's probably like a 0.65 and a point. I mean it's a little bit of it's not quite In order to make it work. There's like a half an hour one day extra. We need her and it will figure out the math piece of it, but You know And and she is an incredible music teacher calis is going to be lucky to have her Yeah, so Um, that's the discussion portion. Okay. There's any other questions Um, is there any objection to going right to the action agenda for that? Cal will be fine She can wait till the end It would be reduced to reduce point one the music position and he's mobbiliar and accept the recommendation I'll second it. Is there any discussion? All those in favor, please say aye Aye Opposed abstain Thanks. Thank you everyone Okay, I believe we are on to administration report page 17 I don't know if there's any questions Do you know at the top of your head this math's out too for the number of kids in the class in the school? No I should Total numbers I did have one one question I don't know what Common it wouldn't create common assignments that homework Common assignments or project based projects for the Um, the Gubriga's a violin assessment system the october end service. Yeah, so yeah, so I can talk to that Um, so I was here with all the kindergarten teachers from the su We kind of broke up by grade clusters And they met in all the different buildings around the su and they created so What the kindergarten team did is they took all their fall early literacy assessments and early math assessments and created assignments based on those so that Every child in kindergarten across the entire su is being What parents are seeing on the portal is something similar So there's they're called assignments assignments not really the best that's a term to use Um, it's really a opportunity for learning. I mean it's kind of like You know, it could be an interview. It could be a formative assessment It could be something in writing it could be having a child read out loud to you So it's not really a like handwritten assignment like you think of an assignment but um, so So across the grades in k through six they worked on having common Assignments so that every third grader in the su is getting Scored on the same types of things. They're not all the same But they worked on what they could create in common together That work started in august that our august end service We spent a half a day together and then we continued to do it in october after playing with the the system for a while um And some people are hoping to do it again in january that we haven't determined That looks like yet It's just so that we're on the same page as far as what teachers are assessing and sharing with parents You're basically calibrating your exactly our assignments assignments and grading and assessing. Yeah. Yeah aligned with your recorded system Exactly Yeah, and then the other was just the comment of like amazing that In one of i i'm starting to find it, but I can't remember where it is But that you were able to put in that block of a 30 to nine. Yeah, especially this is a very quick action We're still we we need to talk about this all the time. I mean, this is a goal of mine this year we And it's not something that we'll wait for the next round of a master schedule next year to do We have to meet these kids needs now like we have to figure this out So, yeah, so we're continuing to to try to figure out how to get the interventions to kids In all areas that they need it And not have to prioritize And that was something that all the special educators we've done it here and there was certain kids You know, we have some kids, especially older kids who don't want to be pulled And would rather come in before anyone's even here so they don't know they're getting services So it's a model we've used but not in this way So it is pretty exciting Yeah, and there really hasn't been much of a change I know at least you could do this as well. It's just we're running the budget I mean there hasn't been any change in the Fun balance it projected fund balance So it will get to january. I'll be the next time because we'll have reenrollment for benefits happens january One thing that I should bring to your attention that we're having looked at as far as facilities goes and it's not in my report But I've asked Todd to look into it We have as you know, and it was a hot topic during construction the path that needed to be Right, that was a Big issue It's not really a path anymore because the grass is grown and it's it It's it's a really big challenge to keep it a path, especially in the winter Although I would say in the summer also So I had Todd ask for some quotes on what would it look what would it cost to pave it? So it's actually a path or what would it look like to have concrete like the side box So just so you know because it's it is I mean there's the the path the stones in the All in the grass and the grass is all in the Or or in the school tracked in so it's a it is an issue And it's been one we've been dealing with for four years, but it's really actually kind of Nobody would go out there. I noticed it on the harvest. You did Yeah Todd brought me out actually A month ago and he was actually concerned about the safety as well with the metal Yeah, it's it's it is an issue for safety and and also that is our fire escape route and we have You know when we have a fire job, he has to maintain that it's not just for like to say we put it there to No, the whole reason that the path is there was for accessibility Right, yeah, and it still boggles my mind that we had to do it for accessibility, but it has stairs Yes, that is true Well, there was no way around it No, I recognize that it's just a very strange So what I can tell you um The the good news is is it because we had to put the stone and it's very well prepped and a lot of the expense Is actually taken out. It's already there. Um, but I will bring back a figure to you, but it's just something for you to To know it's The metal would come out. Yeah It also gets caught up in the mower and you know, it gets pulled out of the ground Yeah, and actually I was out there with the kids a couple of weeks ago too and just While I was like, oh, yeah, I asked the teachers them, right? Yeah, so Yes, it's it's actually yeah, okay We are on to executive committee Steve left. Well, I give you The minutes are in there The big news is that they're coming back for the executive committee were come for me again Tomorrow night for draft two of the budget the big piece that was talked about in there was The budget was presented as I said earlier at a 1.96 increase and there Was an ask of you know, I just been we presented this budget right after this student monitoring so what more If there were additional resources, what could we impact? To to improve student outcomes so the leadership team met Last week And we did some work on that um, and uh, the real variables what I said earlier is um And you know, I'm going to be saying more of this tomorrow night, but Um, we could you know, we've got some good I we've got some ideas, but we need to work with our staff And I've learned it's taken me a long time to learn that in washington central You don't lead with the staff because if you leave with the staff the board um You can't lead with the staff or the board First you have to leave with them both at the same time So if the board asks for ideas, you're going to have time to go develop them with the staff And if the staff develops ideas and the boards don't know about it So you've got to do that simultaneously So in three weeks we can get some good ideas We can tell you about proximate costs And we we actually developed what we thought we could do within the next year, but we take I don't want to roll out specifics It's about being specific enough, but vague to say we got to go work with our colleagues on this Can I ask you a question about the minutes? Yeah, it looked like you did a lot and it says it lasted half an hour. Yeah. Is that true? Yeah It's a well-run meeting I saw it start at 5 o'clock 31 and into the 604 and I We flew that might be a typo I needed to be out of there by 6 15 to get to my daughter's concert at seven o'clock in morrisville and I was leaving at 6 15 Matthew helped me Can we do that for the full board meeting I'm going to go see a concert And not an effort to prolong this meeting, but what's the salary analysis for? So we had last year proposed that for we have a lot of non bargaining positions And um I know enough about some other areas because I used to work in those areas or had other job positions in The supervising that know that our salaries are not necessarily competitive without side salaries And we can lose people we actually know that some of our positions That you can get paid higher by the state of vermont We know some of our other positions we pay higher than the state of vermont But if we're gonna we want to retain the the biggest gain for human resources when you retain your personnel and growing them But if you don't pay them appropriately You can't retain them and so we have a lot of non bargaining actually We probably about A quarter of our staff is non bargaining Maybe not quite that high Everybody in the s. U No, I'm talking about no because there's we have esp We have esp we have an esp association, but we have not we have the non bargaining as well. So Um, that was we had said the board approved for an analysis for that to be done But we're uh, we just can't pull together the time from inside to support that analysis to be done So there's some other work that we're That we're trying to do right now and when you look at that you're looking at every part of that salary as far as Total cost total cost total cost But I mean I need I mean I need to look at it. I do look when I said a principal. Sorry Um, I look at across vermont and within our s. U um You know if we go to one association, I expect there to be an administrator's association pretty quick Not because they need to do it. It's just it's what happens once you get over a bargaining unit of eight you can have your own association That usually happens See, but I have good metrics for setting all the salaries We haven't met um Couldn't meet when we were scheduled for November But we're going to be able to meet the Monday before our Carousel meeting so we will have met them. So there's nothing to report school quality committee We met it's just that all of the meetings are blurred We met We met this week in It was it was actually a great me. I should have I did underline a couple of things here. Let me open it up But I keep saying that it's my favorite committee and it is We do a lot of work with besides this meeting, which I love We do get a lot of Work it's forward-looking work. Yeah, it's forward-looking and it's the work that we want to be involved with It's more as closer to the kids. I don't know how to explain it. So we talked about How grateful we were for the monitor report that The that the teacher similar conversations that we had our in the small in the in the small groups and then carries we're going to try to have something for December 5th And Kerry just send something out for us to to review and you know to really think about what what we want Next and let me just open the monitoring Here it is So what the goal so he just sent a goal. I haven't gone through it So it would be brilliant dinner to try to Say something he wants input from all of us and we are going to present something on December on December 5th to all the boards And what what is that going to look like? I I do not I do not know yet. Yes I mean there were three or four specific things that came up the meeting But I don't know where the committee is going Those things Yeah, so what what he did is just he sent us some Options and we're sending him input on on the three specific So it'd be brilliant I think to tell you what we're doing and not be what you're thinking But basically it's how we get better at at monitoring there were a lot of great Conversations of Exactly what we just shared now that we is there anything that we're missing in this In this picture, you know the how can we Bring in and bill talked about this. How can we bring the The survey that we do for every school Forgetting the name of it The climate climate survey So there were some conversations around that but really right now is like what are we going to do about math and literacy, right? We've all been talking about what are our our goals So there were a lot of conversations around Around that and we were pretty quick too. It was a short which it was it was the longest of the ones that we had but it's It was a short planning meeting and what to do on December 5th and I cannot just see what It's here Windows open and it's getting really slow Oh computer I can't bring it up, but uh, you know, you will get it on december on december if I can get it to On my actual email I can't pull it up. Sorry Steve's on that for you, but um Issues have been exchanged between the associate teachers association and the boards and uh The first negotiation meeting is monday the 26th So iBB training's happened for everybody and We're getting going and we have a temporary mo Attentive agreement on mo u for the rest of the health care administration hra administration from january to june 30th So that was done as well. I think that brings us to the board order Is close to Business Yeah, Carla sends them to you just so you see them, but Wendy has it's 41,868, uh 31 You need a second I would take a motion. Oh, I'll make a motion. I'll second it. Thank you. I usually don't make So I have a motion in a second. Is there any discussion of the board order as presented? Yes, yes Seeing and not in hearing on all of those in favor Oh you found that Back to school quality for a second back to school Quality so the fourth thing so first that the committee appreciates several Aspects of the goal that is highly revelant to all our students That is based on objective evidence and assess specific topics in the final time frame and And that is ambitious. So that's what we appreciated of the monitoring report But we also what we're asking is to adopt a set of math learning goals Which you guys already Kind of did with the percentages, but we want to request comparable goals for literacy for the current year And as for reflection by teachers and administrators and individually and collectively after the year end of the goal setting process and actual student learning And from this we will you know, this is like a big goal from this We would like to create a multi-year a significant improvement for both literacy and math So that's sort of bigger So we're gonna You know, it's like a little letter. I'm just reading you a snippet of it We're giving carry input on that Great So I Need to move us into an executive session for a minute We We don't have any action to take once we come out So the only piece of the