 This evening on the Daily Tech News show Justin Robert Young brings the fire. I had a friend of mine For whom used to have a fun thing that he would do periodically Where in he would say hey, where's the fire? mm-hmm Which would be code and we realized after he'd done it a few times That it was because he had let his Manhood out of the fad of his zipper. It was exposed to the world and He would just say hey, where's the fire and then eventually you'd realize it was because Him he had been exposing himself. Yeah, he had exposed himself At boy was it just Barrel laughs. Yeah, that's a you had to be their thing for sure I mean it was certainly a lot of shock Like why would you do this? Uh-huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah appropriate We were also in a sketch comedy troupe. So there was an element of like Ship what I'm saying like I can see where certain contexts would make that truly hilarious But you need a David Eggers like writer To provide that Yeah, I mean again. I guess my point is is is is certainly not to say that this is universal. Oh, yeah No, no, I didn't think you were you know It's just a thing that whenever anybody says Where's the fire like when someone's right going too fast and you're like hey, where's the fire you immediately go back to that period Yeah, yeah, and then I just think oh, okay Well, do you you don't own a Amazon Kindle fire. Do you I don't know I would recommend saying hey Where's the Kindle in that case? Yes It's a bit did somebody find my kid My Kindle in my Bindle Famous song Oh, yeah the hobos of Southern Pennsylvania used to sing that well. Yeah, I mean I guess like you get kindling in my Bindle, right? Yeah, they would they would shorten it sometimes. Yeah Just for the sake of the rhyme not realizing they were preternaturally prefiguring Amazon's future product line I think I think we've caught up. I think the video is there shall we a boot? Yeah, all right Here we go If you donate $10 per month you can say it's 1.4 seconds of every single episode is brought to you by you Head to daily tech news show comm slash support to adopt the second I you called dibs on the first two seconds. I've got beautiful theme music This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday March 3rd 2016. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Mr. Justin Robert young Ready to bring the fire as we say oh Man, you're gonna ask yourself. Where is it by the time that this? Podcast is over because it will be undoubtedly in your face Yeah, Amazon Echo Now not alone. Well Amazon fire TV had some Alexa support but two new devices that support Amazon's voice assistant coming out and Building on something we were talking with Michael Wolf about on Friday Justin and I are gonna talk about whether Amazon is sneakily becoming the dominant smart home platform I don't think they're there yet, but they may be creeping in the back door I think that they not only are Certainly a player, but they are also solving what I consider to be the fatal flaw of home automation We'll talk about that a little bit better But let's start off by telling you what they actually announced to begin the headlines Amazon started taking pre-orders today for two new Alexa based devices the Echo Dot That one has an always-on mic Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, but no speaker It's essentially just the top part of an Amazon Echo The Amazon tap is the other device. It's a battery powered portable device with Dolby speakers built in So think about think of it like Bluetooth speakers with Alexa built-in has Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and a claimed nine hour battery life When you're playing back music on it three week battery life and standby the Echo Dot Which is the the one that is like, you know, just a speakerless Version of the Echo is $90 so half the price of the Echo and you can only order it through the Amazon Echo or fire TV Although I think somebody found a workaround using the mobile app But it's meant to be only ordered by people who already have Alexa in their lives Whereas the Amazon tap is a hundred thirty dollars so in between the two And you can order that on Amazon comm both ship March 31st and thanks to Steve IO for posting this in the subreddit So there are two kind of stories here And I think it's it's weird that we have kind of lumped them both into one although It shows the power of the Echo brand that they are doing two divergent products in one family The tap is very obviously just hey a bunch of people complained that they already got awesome speaker systems They don't need the speaker system connected. That's the dot Sorry, the dot. Sorry The dot all right. So here we go rewind. Thank you dot is We already got these awesome speakers, but we do love the functionality. Let's go ahead and put this out very obviously The Echo as I have found out is still something that you cannot get Two days after you order it despite the fact that it's an Amazon product They are taking time to roll those out So they want to put some artificial boundaries on how you get that and that's why they're doing this You know you can only order it through these other products the Amazon tap on the other hand the portable device While certainly bringing some of the elements of the Echo in takes away a lot of the What people love about the Echo which is the always-on element of it the fact that you don't have to think about something You just yell at this piece of furniture and it does stuff for you But is rather taking I'm sure what Amazon knows very very well that there are a wealth of almost completely undifferentiatable USB Charged Portable speakers there they are a dime of dozen and a lot and a lot of them are really good Right, so this is their way to get themselves into that game with a brand that is already thought to be something special I'm gonna talk a little bit more in our discussion section about What I think the dot could be used for and I and you just gave me a few more ideas about what the tap How the tap fits into this as well, but it is an interesting and Fits with the whole Alexa Amazon Echo Procedure of just adding things slowly like here's a couple things. They may not be the most comprehensive They may not even be the you know what what the most people want But they're things that Amazon thinks they can do really well, and they're just anyway. Yeah Of a slow March also another feather in the cap of Amazon You know Echo was something that was like semi-derided initially it has found a rabid fan base And we're gonna do it's its legacy and what it has meant In in a bit, but you know just focus on the idea that Amazon being a physical product creator I think that they have come a long way in the last, you know five to seven years since the initial Kindle of just really doing what I think something that Google has never really been able to do which is just iterative product, you know Improvement and and they have a devoted fan base in a way that Google has never really been able to manufacture those products Now before you go to the next headline Somebody who didn't want to come up with a chat room name web underscore nine three nine one nine So as to Tom said the dot didn't have a speaker. I swear. I read otherwise. Yes Technically the dot has a very small speaker So if it's not hooked up to another speaker you can still hear things, but it's like a tiny Cardioid speaker or something it's not meant for music playback The whole point of the dot is that it has a wire and a Bluetooth connection to connect to really good speakers So yes, they don't want yeah, that's the whole idea the whole concept I also didn't mention that it has power has power cord to all right. All right good cool your pies Samsung announced Thursday that it shipping the industry's largest solid-state drive the 15.36 terabyte PM 1633 a the new new Samsung drive is based on a 12 gigabit per second serial attached Scuzzy interface. This is the one that uses 480 to 500 of the new 256 gigabit NAND flash die Samsung says it offers random read and write speeds of up to 200,000 and 32,000 I OPS respectively and sequential read and write speeds of up to 1200 megabytes per second. Thanks to Captain Kipper for posting this in the subreddit. Yeah, so really the only thing you have to Remember out of all of that is 15.36 terabyte flash drive. Yeah. Yeah just Absolute freak show of a of a drive and for the first time in a very long time, Tom I got that sense that I used to have back in the early aughts where Storage could confound me You know like where it was just like oh my god. How could I remember one of I was thinking about getting a larger iPod? I'm like, I don't know how I would justify that space and my friend Yeah, you know had a gigantic music collection. But don't worry. We can justify you and and since then You know HD movies and everything it became very easy to understand how you would fill gigs and gigs and gigs and gigs But 15.36 Solid-state or you know terabytes or are just like oh geez. Wow. That's a lot of space It's a lot and obviously this is an enterprise level product We don't know what the price is because it's probably even negotiated but based on the buy So this is not going to come to your local device anytime this year. Sure. Yeah, that's how it happens Is you know they start with the enterprise level storage devices? I'm pretty sure that in this PC mag article. They said that the top one available from from Seagate or Western Digital is like 10 terabytes Yeah, so that means yeah, we're looking at a you know Consumer-level terabyte flash drives being pretty common soon get ready for it to be in your phone in five years. Heck, yeah Recode reports that about 40 companies and organizations are filing their amicus briefs today supporting Apple in its case with the FBI among those filing so far Not everybody has filed Google Microsoft Facebook all expected to file so far. We've seen the ACLU Twitter And a bunch of other people but security experts Dino de Zovey Dan Bonnet Charlie Miller Hovab Shackum Bruce Schneier Dan S. Wallach and Jonathan Jarski have all teamed up on a filing now These are some of the most preeminent security experts out there their filing emphasizes the dangers of the proposed Software to unlock an iPhone 5c falling into the wrong hands They're saying even even if the key isn't compromised just having the software gives a potential attacker Some things they can learn from and reverse engineer All the briefs must be filed by 5 p.m. Pacific time Thursday a hearing is scheduled for March 22nd So it seems like the the the the cavalry Arriving right well, we'll see we have another local time another two and a half hours for for for you know some of the other big heavy hitters to do file their briefs, but this this seems like Apple is is Becoming you know, probably not surprising we will listen to this show a figurehead for a larger fight New York Times had an interesting article today sources saying That a lot of tech executives were wary of jumping in on Apple's side at first That's why you saw some of these tentative responses like Microsoft just pointing to a trade association Sundar Pichai from Google sort of having a little bit of a mealy mouth Twitter exchange because They didn't know that how the public would react to this They thought a lot of them thought Apple picked the wrong case Apple has maintained all along We didn't pick the case. We got cornered by the FBI on this case. Yeah, and whoever you believe All the tech companies of note seem to have been convinced that it is that they want to file on behalf of Apple Speaking of Apple they've started a Twitter account This time for customer service the at Apple support account went live at 8 a.m. Eastern time the account will provide tips tricks and helpful information as well as answering customer questions Apple already has Twitter accounts for existing services like beats one Apple music app store games and iTunes, but no core account. No just at Apple You know, I should have looked at the earlier, but does someone have that? I'm sure there's Twitter.com slash Apple Somebody's got it joined September 2011 never posted So I'm gonna guess it's Apple and they're just waiting to unveil it someday This this is interesting from the side of Apple opening it up at another avenue of communication They they like to very closely control how you communicate with them even for support It's also interesting that Apple felt being as conservative as they are on this The Twitter was the place to do this given all of the hand wringing over. Well is Twitter even successful? Is it gonna die? Is it gonna go away? Well, I mean You Could say for all that I mean like there's a lot of hand wringing about Twitter here, right there And I mean not only on this podcast, but where I live in in in the Bay area, right? Like that's where people are worrying about the future of Twitter I don't think that there's much of a question of Twitter's future as a platform It will exist the question is whether or not it will exist as an independent company or if another company I don't know let's say Apple You know would buy it and and allow it to continue to do whatever it did and and have it funnel back into a larger umbrella the return of ping ah finally Write about it on my connect account. All right. Yeah, I'll you I'll go clerk about it LinkedIn CEO Jeff Weiner will donate his 14 million dollar stock bonus to employees to make up for a 40% drop in the company's share Price recode was told by a LinkedIn spokesperson that Weiner asked the compensation committee to take back the stock package He would have received and put it in the pool for employees LinkedIn's latest quarter of the results were released in early February and they revealed the company's yearly guidance was lower than analysts Expected and that caused a drop in the stock price according to fortune. Thanks to Motang for posting this on the subreddit I hope he alerted his employees with a series of emails that were impossible to opt out of I yeah, and I hope when you clicked on the link to go take advantage of the new stock pool That it told you that you needed to log into your app and you couldn't remember your password All things being equal. I think that there is Certainly, this is a warm and fuzzy Story right move. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with this move. No this this shows a CEO who? Cares about his employees and in a world and again press moves But it's also just a good move for your employees, too Like it's both and in a world where you we have odd I don't know is Twitter gonna be gone tomorrow. It would used to be the king of the world There there are You know there is a battle for good employees and good talent within the tech field This is a good sign of somebody who seems to care a little bit more about the people that work under him. Good job Jeff No man's sky has been highly anticipated since 2013. It promises an open world exploration game with 18 Quintillion unique worlds and now hello games promises to come out June 21st for PC and PS4 For the fair price of 60 American dollars. That's yeah, it's the normal. It's the normal price They're gonna have a Blu-ray disc for it It's already on on up for pre-order. It's steam and good old games and a bunch of different places. I I want this and now I have to decide do I want it on my PC or do I want it on my ps4? Well, I'm sure that there's going to be a lot of very clear answers and everyone's gonna come to a consensus in the chat room You know based on that completely uncontroversial question. Yeah, tell me by the end of the headlines Which of what I should do. Thanks Wall Street Journal reports sources say Intel is working on a reference design for its own Augmented reality headset it would use Intel's real-sense depth sensing technology and Fortune points out that company called Dacri Announced a smart helmet that is for factory use for factory workers at CES this year Which also uses real sense. So the idea Justin is Intel Says look here. Here's here's how you use real sense to make a great augmented reality headset Go forth licensees. Give us a little money and make your own augmented reality headsets In this reminds me almost a lot of what we're going to get into when it comes to the home automation that that now virtual reality is I mean that people are buzzing about and you get a lot of people including the people who will be used as a a part supplier for a Lot of these as they come out saying hey look let's just let's spur the market Let's let's let's create more of a buzz around this idea So people do more and better things with it and then we can profit Yeah, the big question at this point and it's an unanswerable question is will people take advantage of this? It's unanswerable because the VR world is wide open We won't know for a few months even among Oculus Vive and PlayStation VR Which of those has good traction which of those is well reviewed and there's so many of these gear VR? Cardboard like headsets. There's a bunch of other people making headsets lots of people make it augmented reality HoloLens developer kit out there, so this is the Wild West and and make sense for Intel to say look We've got depth sensing stuff. Let's make a design see if we can get in on this action Meanwhile motherboard reports Amazon has depreciated device encryption on fire OS version five Which runs on fire HD and fire HD x 8.9? Users can either decline to update to the latest version of the OS or give up Amazon's encryption The Amazon Echo devices still support strong encryption. Thanks to Greg and for posting this in the subreddit. I'm Fuddled I have no clue what Amazon is up to here now that the tin foil hat Community has this down. They're like well obviously they're in league with the NSA and the government to undermine your security They're removing the encryption to which I say that that doesn't sound like what the NSA would want The NSA would want weakened encryption so that users think they're safe and put all their sensitive data there But then the NSA could sneak in set taking encryption away entirely makes people less likely to store sensitive information on the device Certainly makes the bad guys not even want to buy the device. Yeah, so Why why would Amazon remove encryption Amazon filing an amicus brief today on the side of Apple? Supporting you know strong encryption and yet taking away on one of their products I almost wonder whether or not this is just a Profit motive like if it if it costs them more to maintain these things that maybe it's just some line item where it's like Hey, guess what people who buy these products don't care about this This is not where we want to plan our flag. So let's just cut it and We'll move on. I don't know. Yeah, I mean that's that that is one possible scenario. It's a reasonable scenario It's a price performance thing Yeah, like you say and people on the on this don't care although these tablets were marketed as enterprise devices and already on Amazon support They've got a few people complain them. Well, I can't use this at work anymore. Thanks a lot But maybe they were at that many of them I guess the the only other thing I could think of is that the encryption that was on there Yeah was was broken or or or had been compromised and they don't want to go public with that information So the next best thing is to just remove it all together and then put in a new encryption scheme in a future update But that's even a stretch like why not just to replace it and say hey, we're upgrading encryption. Here you go I don't I don't know this also seems like something that they would want to just get out ahead of right and just yeah And they're not commenting at all yet Maybe by the end of the day, they will have commented the mother. You'll have to ask for comment through your echo Maybe that's it mother board mother board reporters go to your Amazon echo Hey, Technasia reports the latest IDC numbers for smartphone sales in India show that Apple has passed Xiaomi for sixth place in the market It's still not high up there but Xiaomi trying to make all of these advances as a Medium-priced phone Apple seen as a luxury phone and Apple doing better right now Samsung still leads the entire pack followed by Micro Max Lenovo Lava and Intex This despite an increase in the average selling price of the iPhone here It shows you what a powerful brand the iPhone is and this has kind of been Apple's game from the very beginning is they don't need to Necessarily sell the most they can still sell plenty at the price point that they want that makes them the amount of money per unit That they are happy with and if you doubt that here are the numbers saying otherwise. Yeah North American theme-barg operator six flags will provide Samsung gear VR headsets to riders of some of its roller coasters at nine parks starting this month Six parks get the new revolution VR coasters where riders are co-pilots in a fighter jet Combating invading aliens three parks will get a Superman themed experience all parks will get a heightened anxiety for people Who are already weird about wearing hats? Yeah, how many gear VRs are gonna fall off the coaster by the way, that's that's Terrified like they would need to glue it to my head like it would need to just be a slip that I would sit on I mean, maybe that's it. Maybe it's just you just build them into The the the the pictures don't make it look that way. It looks like they just strap them on to you I'm sure an attendant You know park employee must strap it on to you and make sure it's secure before you're you're allowed to go I Do I first I thought why why would I want a VR helmet on when I'm on a roller coaster doesn't make any sense at all But then once I realized oh, it's basically turning the roller coaster into a motion set Creator a motion simulator. I'm like, oh actually that that flying thing could be pretty cool Oh, no, I get that now I think this will this has the capacity to be really really cool I would like to see it with something a little bit more powerful than the gear VR Which I think is interesting and will probably be aided by the fact that you are doing this amazing actual movement But I don't know if it is the pinnacle of where we want to be in terms of immersive VR It's just and and listen man. Maybe it's just my I remember a day When at Universal Studios Islands of Adventure the east have the dueling dragons right now It's been repurposed as a harry potter thing, but there was a great moment in which both Coasters went up at the same time and you could see the other people as you both did a loop, right? Sure, take it away because somebody's shoe Came off and hit somebody else that was then across from them I can only that that is the only thing going through my mind is just them Just are you know the opening scene of Armageddon a meteorite shower of Samsung gear VR's that are flying off people's heads during these coaster experiments Well, two things one is someone who is scared of roller coasters not saying it's me. Maybe it's me wants to see around them and Tries this about halfway through the ride. Just can't take it and rips the thing off their head Yeah, housing the incident that you're talking about with the plummeting gear VR so I mean going to do that at Six Flags mid-America in West St. Louis, but I Know I guess I just don't know about It seems doesn't seem a little risky right for for a industry that is normally risk averse like that they are They have you could argue they're very risky. I mean they put people in roller coasters for good Yes, but like to do that they have to operate under very stringent Sharon right they have to be safety is job one And I don't know how where if safety is job one. Let's have Loosely connected unit. I mean it's easy to throw stones when we haven't actually gone through the process I'm sure that Six Flags had to come up with a very secure way or convince someone that this is very secure to happen It's not like they just can't you know Bob and Fred came up with the idea in the break room yesterday And they put out a press release, but I would I yeah I'm curious to find out more about how they how they plan to secure There's gotta be a way there's gotta be a way if any of you are employees of Six Flags Please write in and let us know the most important story. We've covered today Stoic squirrel points out What about the nausea gear VR already causes people a little bit of nausea as the roller coasters does it cancel out? I don't think so Finally Google is creating a volunteer team to map data in an open source project to combat the Zika virus They're also donating some money to USF So that is a good thing Well done Google submit some stories to us folks We want to hear your votes on them as well go to dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Let us know what you want in the headlines and that my friends is a look at the headlines Okay, let us get to the Amazon Echo Amazon tap echo dot Assault and don't forget fire TV has a version of Alexa in it as well Although it doesn't necessarily communicate with the other and with the Amazon Echo Alexa, and that's one thing I'm curious about is how well tied in on the back end these are they say you can't tell one of these devices to have The other device do something I can't tell the Amazon tap. Hey, have the Amazon Echo in the kitchen start playing some music like they're not that well connected but they did announce that they have nest and Honeywell coming on board as thermostats so that you don't have to use if right now You can use if to make the nest do something for you, but you won't have to do that They're they're going to have direct integration which some people are more comfortable with they already do echo b3 They also say they're going to work on the insta on thermostats So to me I look at the Amazon Echo dot not as something I want to hook up to an already existing speaker But as something I can throw in the bathroom because it does have that tiny speaker in there And just use like when I run out of toilet paper. I could say hey add toilet paper to the shopping list and At a cheaper price But also get some news updates weather etc without having to buy a full-on Amazon Echo because I don't need the big speaker in the bathroom so I Think where we're getting here with the echo is a Great news for Amazon in that you've created a successful product that has kind of borne Fruit in a field that has thus far been much ballyhood, but semi-baron right home automation It's been the buzz at CES sense like what did the Iraq war? The first Iraq war. Yeah, absolutely You know it went from being a very expensive thing You need an installer to put to something you could do with X 10 and get a little bit of stuff out of to Now capable sensors that that are not crazy expensive, but nobody's The winner of this space nobody is like oh, that's the thing we have pieces of it right with the nest is definitely the most Popular thermostat the Phillips hue is the most popular light bulb But nobody's on one platform yet and nobody's got it cracked building their own walled gardens it's it's hard for something to fit into an ecosystem and yet here comes Amazon Creates a product that people really like and What I think we're seeing here and the reason why they're able to kind of expand this in different areas Even if they're not necessarily networkable like you mentioned before is that it is like a primary Candidate for our candidate for president in the primaries that is now beginning to coalesce support, right? It is only by the demonstration of success That you have all these walled gardens not saying let's open up, but rather saying let's tie in Because now people can get more access like right now every light into my studio is all Phillips hue Right, so I got lights in the background that I can change between shows I got lights on my face that I can change That between my complexion and Ashley's complexion my wife who also works on the rig We can change that easy Now it can be easier and I think that what what Amazon was great at is in embracing the ift recipes saying look this is functionality over everything and That that's really the only way that we're going to start to see a lot of these disparate Albeit impressive home automation Features that have been built in the products for years Really start to sing and I think that that's something very very impressive I think what's interesting about Amazon approach here is something that I thought was a weakness at first But may in fact be the strength of it is that they haven't been able to do everything When I first got the echo part of the reason people were deriding it But when I first got the echo I found it limited like well I can't use my favorite shopping list app But you know what I did I found the convenience of being able to just say put this on my shopping list so good And I'm using the crappy Amazon Alexa app as my shopping list because it on on the whole is more convenient I said you know what I don't really want to have a second full Amazon Echo in the bathroom And they just gave me an alternative like hey, you don't have to spend as much money get a dot I want to take echo with me I'd rather have it on my smartphone, but now they're giving me a Bluetooth speaker Eventually, I hope they come up with a smartphone app that lets me talk to Alexa and do things on the back end Eventually, I hope they make them tie in well together so you can tell one echo to have another echo do something by location I want it to connect with my nest. I want it to connect with my life ex bulbs And and what Amazon has been doing is keeping you Wanting to do more with it but giving you enough to do with it that you don't stop using it So I continue to use it and I continue to like get excited when they finally add one of those things I've been waiting for it to do well and and specifically it you have a promise of a brighter future because Amazon wants to be in business with all these other things ultimately right because they are just a Platform for which they want to be populated unlike if this were a Siri product or You know a Google now product There is a larger sense that they want the web services that they are pushing to be the ones that you are using there still is that favoritism amongst the Amazon echo, but They seem to be very eager to continue to build the roster of functionality Yeah, I I really think and and Michael Wolf said this on Friday as well like they are Creeping in taking steps and and by not being a platform Yeah, that you have to opt into or opt out of by just sort of being like hey We're just a thing you get you guys make service that you guys make sensors You guys make light bulbs. We're just a thing they might become the hub They might become the platform and really I mean like if you want to break it this down to the nitty gritty The killer feature is the is the mics, right the the the mics are are very very well Tuned, you know, they don't go off too much so that you find them annoying They are you know unlike your phone, which you are constantly fiddling with well Do I turn it on or off silent or or am I turning this on? Airplane mode is it do not disturb? you know that's that's Killed some of the functionality for Siri, which I at times really enjoyed just yelling to my phone and saying hey Siri what time is it? But that's been something that that for whatever reason that you know turns on or turns off almost in my mind I'm sure I'm doing it on purpose without any kind of warning Amazon Echo is as has been Not too hot not too cold in it's just there for you to talk to it and that is gigantic because with that customer Confidence you can have a lot and that's what I think we're seeing with this first expansion beyond the initial device All right, let's move on to our pick of the day from our boss Sebastian who says this week seems to have become the Wi-Fi router week and I would love to participate So we had Patrick's router pick we had a pick yesterday from a listener And Sebastian would like to recommend an access point that he has bought after seeing it in action at various conferences Sebastian says it is not a router but replaces your router's lousy Wi-Fi capabilities for good The greatest part is that you can plug in as many as you want of these babies everywhere around your house and all play well together allowing roaming or devices from one access point to go to another the speed is fantastic even in crowded areas and It uses both bands 2.4 gigahertz and 5 gigahertz the device I'm talking about is the ubiquity unify AC LR and it costs around $109 if you get it in the US Of course, it's also available in Europe and some people when we've been talking about the Eero Routers have mentioned the ubiquity as something. They're like, I know it's not exactly the same technology Maybe it's not quite as smooth. Maybe it is But it's certainly a lot cheaper Yeah, you know what you want to know what I mean This router talk on the show has been very interesting to me because we have had nothing but problems with Wi-Fi in our apartment and Maybe it is time time for me to spend some time and money to to upgrade but this as I look at the Eero and it's steep $500 price point Yeah, three Maybe this is something that we try before we go all in with the Eero Yeah, I mean especially at a place your size. You probably don't need three euros No, it's so it's a little cheaper But then it's a little cheaper for one Eero and you don't get most of the benefits of the Eero If you only have one so yeah, maybe the ubiquity is the place Yeah Send your pics to us folks feedback at daily tech news show calm We want to hear from you and you can find more pics or even get some some ideas at daily tech news show comm slash pics Got a call here from Gardner in downstate, Illinois About Apple developers see Tom and distinguished co-host This is Gardner from downstate Illinois about the Apple FBI case one thing not frequently discussed is the selection of Individual developers at Apple to work on government OS We don't know how many employees have the necessary skills to work in this effort So we don't really know if it's a volunteer or draft situation if enough developers won't agree to build government OS for whatever reason does the government then issue rits to individual developers to participate and Once someone is known to have worked in government OS are they at some risk for targeting by governments and bad actors that Want to know more something for the government to force on someone, isn't it love the show Interesting thoughts. I think Mostly what happens is Apple is held responsible And so if they can't get a developer who wants to do it, then they can fire them But Apple the company is responsible for all of these things That's the legal side of it though But I mean Gardner still makes a good point on the sort of practical side of it if you were The person that was called upon to do this and then we're subject to pressure to leak something to someone for some reason Yeah you know, I Think that this is an element of our Discussion that has continued to to go on about the Apple case that I think Kind of escapes the general public's view of of exactly what this means and the talent that is needed to do it Got rich from lovely Cleveland saying the problem He thinks VR will face is the visual immersion raises the expectation for Physical immersion that isn't there. He says they'll certainly be equally immersive immersive audio But especially for something like the Vive which focuses on hyper accurate body tracking the complete numbness of the experience may become an issue It also limits very basic integration with the virtual environments even with the seemingly great hand tracking on the Vive without proper resistance To virtual objects. This is why he's bullish on AR while you have the same issues of interacting with virtual objects having the built on top Of the physical world allows a little bit more of a fourth wall So I think what somebody who is a very much into VR would tell rich is You would be amazed at what your brain creates when it is fully visually immersed That you feel more a part of things And that resistance is less of an issue if you are fully immersed And that that's the problem with the uncanny valley in VR and where you need to get over it and where Something like the Vive has been very impressive to people is that your brain does more of the work than you think That it might when when that that you are over that that peak. I Don't it always kind of confuses me when we talk about You know VR versus AR because to me that's like debating, you know toasters versus blenders Yeah, it may be a little bit like a smartphone or tablet. What should you get? It's like well, maybe one of them. Maybe both. Maybe neither. I don't know. Yeah, because I think for me AR is ultimately something that I want almost Always on right that that's the point it almost that to be to me should be an Amazon Echo kind of situation where it's just There's just always an element of AR in my life. I would love that VR is something that I don't want all the time I don't know you only wanted on your roller coasters Exactly. I only want it when it is rubber cemented to my face at a six flags. Yeah Now I think that's a that's a great point It really isn't an either or although I do feel like augmented reality has a chance to do a lot of what virtual reality can do They are different things Yeah, I mean, I think if you want to bet which horse will make more money, right? Yeah, well-known metaphor that everybody uses which horse or money Oh, yeah horses horse income is a huge betting industry in the metaphorical world Finally friends in warm and sunny Pretoria, South Africa and proud patron. Thank you friends Says I have to listen to the show daily as it keeps my mind occupied to be less frustrated with other drivers She thanks us for that But it begs the question will I be that one driver yelling and berating my poor little self-driving car? Threatening to take it out and put it down the garbage disposal when I get home when you get to sign that form Indicated what you want your new self-driving car to do in the trolley accident scenario. Can there be some other options? One I'm a grandmother. So always drive very slow to I'm a mother late often with children So drives faster but safer or three get off the road you idiot setting which Franz says would be for himself But it brings up the issue of like we're so used to having a style of driving if self-driving cars I'll have to follow the speed limit and and all play nice to each other Well that will we get some sense of disconnected frustration like come on you could go faster. There's open lanes. I Mean I think this is a fun conversation to have but it is ultimately About as fruitful as us watching an episode of the Jetsons and debating what setting we are going to have on our our crazy Rosie the robot Made right it's like I think what the hopefully the idea of a self-driving car is that it completely shifts our ideas and attitudes toward driving as you know that it is more it's not like we're like, oh my god what Why doesn't the pilot on my commercial flight from San Francisco to Chicago adopt my style of flying? I like to have a much more aggressive style of flying You just get on the plane and it takes you from point A to point B Well, yeah, and I was even thinking of it in terms of taxis like the first time I ever got in a taxi I was riveted. I was like what's this guy gonna do? Where's he gonna go? Is it gonna take me to the wrong place? He's gonna get lost After a few times of taking a taxi, of course anybody who's grown up with taxis or learn to take taxis You don't do that anymore. You look at your phone. You read your paper. You get on you know, you do other stuff And you talk to the taxi driver exactly because the opposite so self-driving cars are gonna be like that Sure I think the first few times we were in self-driving cars is kind of be a little bit like what Franz is describing But you're probably right. We get used to it and then we're not even noticing. Yeah Well, thank you. Mr. Justin Robert Young for joining us today You got so many projects going on. I don't even know which one to point at how about this next week I will be a Larger part of the show Because I'll be at South by Southwest in Austin, Texas. We had a bunch of fun stuff that we're gonna do I'll be live in studio for night attack next Monday, not Tuesday for night attack fans Wednesday, I will be at the hideout coffee shop at 6 p.m For a meet-up of contender fans fans of the card game that I invented with John T's down guts and glory We are going to be playing the contender having a great time. That is 6 p.m On Wednesday and then Saturday 2 p.m. To 5 p.m We are live at the brew exchange in Austin, Texas for a live episode of night attack featuring the possum posse so Everybody of you are in Austin for South by Southwest. I'm sure we'll be out and about I'm super excited to To meet everybody at one of those many events So we will be getting Justin Robert Young not only on Thursday next week. Yeah I in person right you and I both in Austin I believe both be at Brian's house, right? And then then you're signed up to host Daily Tech News show next Friday Because I am irresponsibly going to go do a South by Southwest panel at showtime Tom you are not you're responsibly doing anything. We are a team. We are a unit. We are a family We are up like like your routers We are picking up where one might be weak The other is strong a mesh network of tech news brought to you daily. Thank you very very much Oh, no, that's absolutely true. You're right a hundred percent. I just meant I'm gonna be irresponsible once I'm on Brian's panel Oh, got you. Yeah, no, definitely. Yeah, Tom's gonna be wasted. So Go to South by Southwest whatever the president's doing that'll be really nice But Tom's gonna be irresponsibly drunk at 11 o'clock in the morning But that is no reason for you not to support the show or is it? 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Hope you have enjoyed this bro I Boom great show what should we call it? We should call it Is there an echo in here? Actually really like that Did you just make that up I did Is there an echo in here? Because there's not my one. I am sorry showbot TV Submitters we will go through your titles, but I'm probably gonna pick is there an echo in here There's Apple builds its core defense Apple core. I like it. It's pretty good Setting fire to Amazon's encryption in that Fire OSD Deprecryption Decryption Amazon's fuller house of tech Fuller house try to nice good attempt to be faster No DNS issues with the DNS until after the show Oh, I see what you're talking about dark redeemer was trying to put deprecation and encryption together. You know, I can't Depre-encryption ish man, I thought Everybody was being really quiet and then I realized that I accidentally closed the browser window. Oh, I I wonder where you went Yeah, no, I was that was really weird. I I think that once I was on it. I was some dialogue box, right? Like you're about to leave I Did that once on Skype? I was on Skype I think it was with tech news today and I was just cleaning up my desktop was like Oh, I don't need all these things open and I was like, oh, I don't need Open and I left I left the podcast and like, oh, I did need Skype open because I was actually on that show Alexa's estranged family Don't go chasing VR roller coasters Variation on don't go chase. Yeah All right, I got going the bathroom is the top at this point Yeah, I like the English beat Sort of Illusion there, but is there an echo in here? Come on Is there an echo in here? As you could get one for 90 bucks if you want the dot if you yeah, I I'm curious to see how well that does Yeah, me too. I Amazon says they got a lot of people saying well, I already have a speaker. I'd buy this if I could just hook up something to my speaker So if they if they have the data then it should do well And then there's people like me or is like actually don't want to hook it up to a speaker although I might I've got an old iPod Speaker in the bathroom that has an aux jack and I will occasionally plug my iPhone into that But I could see myself put in the dot with the aux jack and plug it in also I think that part of it is like, you know, they they're their Narrative is like hey man a lot of people have these bang and Olipson speakers that they're like, oh my god I need to use it's the it's garbage on the echo device compared to what I have it's perfect calibrated totally really What they could is just as easily be saying is like yeah I don't know man get some consp... some computer speakers for like five dollars, right? And just plug it in your bathroom And boom just have that functionality because I think these are Logitech the Logitech speakers I don't even know how much they were back in 2005 when we bought them, but they're fine. They're speakers. Yeah They're free at this point The sunk cost is there an echo in here? Yeah, is there an echo in here Justin Justin wins the title boom nailed it Number six, it's tied with echo in the bathroom. Oh, who submitted it dr. Payne dr. Payne jumped on it nice All right gang. I'm out. All right, man See you next week in the Austins. Yeah, let's go South by What's gonna win South by I don't know probably meet farts All right see you If you are for some reason someone's going to be itself I don't know why I assume no one's going to be at South by Southwest interactive. It's not true I'm doing a panel with Ryan summer from the influencer economy At same time as DTS 130 p.m. About podcasting so keep an eye on your schedules be there or be left out be there or be at home listening to DTS And the 11th, it's Justin that's hosting That day you're at South by correct Yes, the veteran odd No, I don't think Darren's on that Friday Left a double check on that. He has he gotten back to us on his March schedule. I don't think he has yet If he did he did not contact me Ryan Williams is the one who I will be on the panel with by the way I think I said It's the panel is called podcasts grown up community and monetization With Kerry Hoffman Jamie Tardy and Ryan Williams. I know I gotta get sleepy hair Bundled into the car seat. Oh, yeah, she's tired, huh? She's always tired Kind of annoying actually I guess babies do that They get tired, you know, you sleep a lot when you're a baby And then you start to sleep less as you get older until you get a certain age, then you start to sleep more again. I Thought you required less sleep Like as like around like in your 60s or 70s, that's true That is the thing but I feel like you sleep more like you take more naps and stuff It is true that you're supposed to require less sleep as you get old like I also I was just people resting like because of the frailty of old age Yeah, I'm just gonna rest my eyes Yeah, I used to do that on drives long drives. I can tell you right now bad idea Resting your eyes is just taking a nap. It's the same thing. Yeah, but you can't drive doing it No, don't do it while you're in operation Which I can totally see when stuff that's gonna be the big thing for self-driving cars really is Long commutes where you just there's been times where like what should be a 35 minute drive is like two hours Yeah, and it goes off like well Well, and the theory is that commutes would become much shorter once the effect of Ordered driving happens like a lot of our traffic jams are caused by somewhat Not irrational behavior, but behavior that doesn't take into account All the cars on the road and it's inefficient I think that's probably a better word and self-driving cars will be more efficient Well, if you imagine like if you If you had an accident like one car blocks the lane and it's there for 30 minutes It gets towed to the side gets fixed whatever That dominos down the down the line So in effect the effect lasts much longer than 30 and then the people in the next lane over Don't always let the people in the lane that's blocked in And that causes back edges and might cause another accident I've always been curious if what would happen is you'll have like a hybrid Like a public transit system That encompasses people's private cars where Like, you know Enough of people are going in the same direction that you can kind of build a train so to speak Of self-driving cars that get like an h o v lane. Totally you can pack like 50 cars boom everyone gets to Yeah, I kind of feel like that's That's the way it's some way or another something like that would happen Although I'd still like the ultimate alternative of just beaming yourself to where you need to go Like star trek. I you know, I have philosophical issues with that Is that the whole Me at the end You know what I used to say that after a bender It's like is this really me the same person I was before I started After a bender is that what you said? Yeah You see that's the one thing I understood about star trek. Why don't they just beam people From one end of the city to the other instead of just getting popping in a shuttle Like oh, I've got to take a shuttle to the other end of starfleet academy So totally because They say it's unlimited power, right? Like it's you know, they don't have a power issue So I just and they say it's perfectly safe. Yeah They could ever why not just use it. Yeah Remember that what was the episode where Spock had to fetch McCoy and Kirk and Yosemite Park? Was it the star trek 5? It was 5 right, yeah 5 By the way, Hawkwood says the sleeping less due to old age was debunked because they forgot to ask if you took naps during the day I don't know. He doesn't have a link. So I can't substantiate that but that's interesting My dad doesn't take naps. He just takes Takes a long sleep. He just rests his eyes It's weird. He goes to bed really late and then he wakes up late, but he like gets like the normal eight hours Of course his eyes really haven't changed all much other than meaning reading less Nice talking to you dr. Pain Pain sounds like a supervillain At least that James Bond villain Dr. No versus dr. Pain Was dr. No even a doctor. Did he have a phd or did he had a yeah? Was he a medical doctor or just a doctor of philosophy? Or maybe he was just a self-title the doctor. Yeah, I'm a doctor of podcasting Maybe that's my next big money-making idea is to issue doctorates of podcasting Starting with you Some of those fly-by-night correspondence course the academy of pod castory Was there's some really shawky ones I get it like I seem to Was it I thought was really good. It wasn't a full degree. Maybe it was in the AA, but the what it was in was very head-scratching Hawkwood says he heard it on science friday, which is why he doesn't have a link. He wasn't being lazy It sounds like a lot of pod castory All right. I believe I am done. Let me check this post seems to have uploaded fine Alrighty You know All right That is it folks. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening and we'll talk to you later