 Okay, as you probably know Julien Assange as well as his colleagues and friends and associates were extensively surveilled during his time at the embassy and our next speaker Andy is going to talk about procedural and technical details of that surveillance Which is what we are really interested in. That's why that was full. So Andy technical aspects of this surveillance in and around the quadrilambus in London, please give him a warm round of applause Okay, good morning, everybody. I'm holding this talk actually the second time the first time was on day one But somehow the video recording got fucked up I would say CIA but At this early time of the talk you might think I'm paranoid, but well, we can discuss that after my talk again um The Tis oh fuck Open source here when all the computers Let's try again does this work Okay, so the presentation does cover some but not Being awake on day four this presentation does cover some but not all aspects of the surveillance There is of course stuff happened on the wireless network on the bound network There was More things going on there was an ongoing heat in the embassy which made us things They might be using nanometer waves to look through the walls and from the ceilings above and below and so on However, we are still getting documentation about other things. So this is like the state of affairs right now I will probably make a long PDF explaining things with also more details later this year Second disclaimer what I'm presenting you is mostly stuff from a company called undercover global They that's this they are subject to an ongoing lawsuit the owner of the company and CEO has been Accepting third-party instructions and a lot of money and has been Modifying the official protocols and technology used He's investigated for violating laws of privacy secrecy of lawyers a print client attorney thingy Whatever the English term is bribery Money laundering and so on and also the Spanish Justice has very officially Start investigation for a spying foreign foreign intelligence service namely the CIA At the time of the presentation right today, however, he's not charged. So this is Subject of ongoing things and of course, we don't have the material from other Intelligent services who have been working around the embassy, although we have some indications of what they have been doing Um as this is a rather 80-slide plus videos presentation. I thought it's a good idea to give you a rough Overview of what this is about. I'm trying to give you the big picture the embassy Overview so that you understand the building the rooms and so on The so-called operation hotel that was the official task of the company at the time To yeah protect the embassy against people intruding and so on taking care of the guests So they had their own terminology the standard operation procedures in place the modifications that as Indicated David Morales instructed or got instructed from US intelligence to do Overview of what they collected on visitors then there was a special event in December 2017 when they went actually through the whole embassy to identify all kinds of objects they Documented every piece of furniture to see where they could include more hidden box and other things and upgrades to the security situation a short Thing about what Julian did to counter the surveillance and how they counter to his counter measures and Then at the end something about the term actionable intelligence, which becomes very plastic The context is of course the Julian has Taken the idea of the hacker ethics that all information should be free Serious to an extent and has been committed to that that we could of course also say well He has won probably one of the highest journalistic prizes being carried out out of an protected embassy That's quite a Reward and quite a recognition that he and the people in power He exposed had the impression that they don't fit together on the same planet in this situation However The big picture is to make you understand the historic Overview of events So there was a initial phase when he got into the embassy When they were actually unprepared of course for him coming in there and they actually had a surveillance camera for Checking the visitors before they entered the building, but that was more or less it Done in 2015 this company got engaged and installed a lot of things There was however three different phases, which I want to Separate here for you to understand when the first phase was under US President Obama and The more left-wing government of Ecuador and the president Korea However right at the beginning of the engagement of undercover global for the Ecuador and foreign ministry to protect the embassy he went to a security conference or however to Las Vegas and Presented his little company and the one customer they had so that's so much about the size of the company He presented like the one customer the one project that did that was taking care of the embassy and of course quickly found interested parties from the US security environment to boost up his career And so his buying for a third party started right away at the beginning he received payments from a Company called Las Vegas sense that's owned by Sheldon Adelson. He was officially hired to take care of a yacht of Sheldon Adelson All through that yacht already had a security team. So there's ongoing investigations also where the money came from and so on and however in phase two 17 so after some publications had Upset the US maybe even more And also the Ecuadorian government had changed in mid of Or begin mid of to 17 There started serious modifications of the protocol not only that he switched to encrypted communication with his employees with his instructions He also like pressured from his American friends the wish to have covered audio box higher resolution cameras and also cameras in all rooms with audio and We can say pretty sure that this has been done on behalf of the US as the emails He sent to instruct this modifications. We have all those emails the emails show the IP numbers They have been sending for the lawyers have analyzed this so we know that he has been in Virginia Arlington in Las Vegas and in other places When he came with this instructions also his language His English was not very good and technically he was not very sophisticated But he sometimes sent instructions in very good English with presentations in detailed technical details That clearly came out from him Which also was obtained. So we are pretty confident in this Things what we claim here. I could say and then there was something going on at the end of 2017 Which I will explain later. However, I want to point out a complete different thing Which might be or might have led to confusion? at April 2018 two things happened the Ecuadorians the new government of Ecuador made of mutual legal assistant agreement with the United States in the investigation against Assange as they justified it with the Interference in the elections so to give the Ecuadorian like a plausible reason to help them The cooperation with UC global was cancelled also because they were unsatisfied with their quality of their work and They installed a second company called prom security, which is a Ecuadorian company made up by a former colonel of their local intelligence Which then did the surveillance and probably that material I Could more easily be used in any legal proceedings as everything that happened before was plainly illegal However, the material of that second company Landed partly in an extortion attempt against WikiLeaks against Julian against Kristen Matt these guys with undercover Spanish police So the current editor in chief of WikiLeaks and that's subject to a lawsuit also And there is also publications about that, but my presentation is mainly about this first phase until April 2018 to avoid that Potential confusion also It's might be worse to point out that all Julian's belongings like his computers his notes Material and so on has all been confiscated by the Ecuadorians and directly given to the United States based on this Agreement they made in April 2018 So here you get a rough overview of the embassy. It's not the whole building It's just the flat on the ground floor here on the left side going all the way down that little street on the left Where actually Harrods the shopping mall Harrods has their delivery acceptance Situation so this is like from the side view on the right side You see the emergency exit of the embassy Again side view and on the right you see the courtyard This is the entrance situation in the building. There's more embassies the Colombian embassy is right on the right side For example, there's one more which I don't recall which it is However, you see here the entrance door of the embassy and here the entrance door situation from a different camera perspective Here you would have an overview of the installed cameras before the upgrades in December 2017 So most important is maybe the Salah the reunion on the upper left side Not on the left corner, but once to the right That's the meeting room and here you see that there was only until then one camera This is where most of the meetings with visitors with lawyers and so on took place However, all the green areas do not only indicate you where videos of violence took place But all the interior ones are exactly the errors Julian was officially allowed to like use Including the kitchen on the right side on the very right button Habitatu in his bed. That's his kind of small sleeping room where he had to spare them and things And you would see the entrance situation there outside. They also had some cameras which They had one eight megapixel 360 degree monster, which actually made me think I want that as well if you if you this is here the the more harmless cameras on the site wise, but you see here The idea of that camera That's pretty good It even catch some events which I will indicate you later So you get the idea Harrods is right next and also right left is this entrance delivery situation operation hotel Was the code name of the official security situation? So they had their own terminology Director was the ambassador guest was Joe Nassange hotel was the embassy and also they of course had specific processes in place how regular How visitors would be accepted they sometimes in most of the times needed to be signed off by the ambassador so the ambassador had to Allow someone getting into the building in the first place and how they would be treated how their passwords would be checked Their electronics would be taken and so on There was an official representative of the Ecuadorian intelligence titled the second Secretary of the ambassador called Gabriella Paiz She was working in the embassy and officially in charge of taking care of the company's contract and their work However, she got bright according to statements that are Subject to this on going lawsuit with twenty thousand US dollar in cash per month She had to travel with her husband To some funny places to collect the money to not violate European regulations was carrying cash and not declaring it and so on So this gives you roughly an idea and for that money She like not only accepted the modifications and made it look like that Modifications of the protocol were on behalf of Ecuador and not on behalf of the Americans She also spied sometimes herself as we have seen her with a handbag with a microphone and all that kind of funny behaviors The original standard operation procedures in place As I said was defined helping against intrusions Visitors would arrive at the door show their password Then would be searched with a metal detector and they would have to leave their passport and all electronic devices at the security counter And that was a lobby they would sign in into some kind of a diary With name passport number date time of arrival later sign out with a time of departure The guards would bring the visitors afterwards in the conference room close the door and then Copy the passport while the visitors wait and also there would be daily monthly and Special incidents reports written by the security company Delivered to the Sina into the Ecuadorian intelligence So from the visitors what they would have is like who invited them for what? What died what time frame the copy of the passport later than that one of modifications That was that all of their pages with entry stamps and visas would be photocopied as well The exact time when they really came The description by the security guards how they appeared maybe if they came alone or with someone or with anything Video footage of the entry situation the meeting and the departure situation and as I said extra incident so we would have a lot of material of passport copies and this is an example of the Entrance situation from November 16 This is one of the lawyers arriving and You would see he just rang the door came in shirt his passport can briefly checked And finally on the on the upper left corner you see one of the guards doing some upgrades on the cameras Same time that that's just how it was there that was ongoing upgrades So I don't have to show you the whole video, but the you get the idea He's being searched on his phone. He needs to give them The guard also briefly checks his bag if there's maybe a recording devices So this was also to prevent that visitors would bring any bugs or recording devices into the meeting. So it was meant to To do also like protect to him on behalf of them This is like a meeting documentation This is myself actually but it's little boring and also I'm not a fan of insinuating myself So I brought you the other one, which is the only positive slide I have That's missing in action there She's a rapper from lives in the UK's which are from Sri Lanka, but here you have a cat. So That's of course more lovely than meeting boring Data journalist hackers, whatever The third party modifications for the access to the whole thing Started mainly in begin to 17 after also he switched to encrypted communications actually the switching to encrypted communication Might by the way also have to do with a regime change So to say in the United States as the Trump administration was taking in power and they were scared that Different departments would interfere with with them each other So it became a little complicated in their own fat modeling paranoia. However, you want to call it They started to pick up in the middle of the year the original heart is from the network video recorder Every two weeks and bring them first to the office in Spain later a moralist would then fly once a month roughly to the United States we have his Flight patterns and and all the emails and so on and he would Yeah, deliver them as he explained to the staff to his American friends And sending new instructions then in December they made this new cameras installation thing with sound and they also started to optimize things for example, there was issues with the Audio filters and the cameras as Julian had used this whiteness generator, which will later be a little bit explained. They needed filter configurations Also, the Americans demanded to have a direct access on the streams coming into the office in Spain So they installed it already in the embassy in a way that there would be two different Access layers one not visible to the Ecuadorians and one only for the Americans We have this is the one email I have there I don't even speak Spanish, but where he clearly speaks about the access to the video stream One for the Ecuadorians one for themselves and one for party X. So the party X is how he called in the References the American intelligence he worked for as well and Then they started to do other things That they for example installed a little door phone at the door So you couldn't just ring the bell and the guy would open the door. You had to actually speak your name so and also the guard which was there was a little guard desk in the Lobby area of the building that would sit a guy. So he would hear your name They would have your voice sample in the electronic Transmission between this little door phone and the counter more or less right behind the door That was something they did then the guards would start to just open the door to take your passport Take it in close the door again. You would wait outside and Then in that time he copied your whole passport with all pages and waited for further instructions Then leave you in They would the guards would start to photograph or note all Emiles and Imzi's of mobile devices that they took during your visit and They would also sometimes take whole bags of visitors and search them and I photograph all items So I have like three examples of this is the most harmless maybe National security correspondent of the washing post and Akashima's little collection of devices It's my own collection with some crypto phones and a camera and this is Italian journalist Defanya Maurizzi who for what reasons wherever she travels with all her USB stick collections and I Redacted this a little bit, but you can clearly see they took the sim cards out to photograph the Imzi's of their cards and so on So they wanted all that Here you get an idea of the of the meeting Documentations from December 17 on with The new cameras which had also audio you you get the idea that equality has drastically improved and Here I would say if you would zoom in you could even read the notes of What they were writing it, but we'll we'll know that later However, that was not enough for them They had issues as I said with the white noise generator he installed for in critical meetings and They wanted Improved audio quality is when you didn't speak loud enough this cameras being mounted on the ceiling were not good enough so They made this survey To identify all kinds of options for additional in microphones and also of the network equipment So here you see actually where they ended up later this fire extinguisher played then the main role he has this PVC bottom thingy They put some of the plastics out and installed a buck in there that was working beautifully as it was also Like from there from the room level next to the heads of the people speaking in that part of the room The only issue they had is that it was a battery drive model and they had to replace the battery and this decart Which they did then every 12 hours 26 minutes actually that was the capacity of the thing But you get the idea they like looked into all of the things here on the left side by the way you see the Noise generator, but they looked at all the art objects all the kids stuff to see What could be suitable before they identified that the fire extinguisher is just the best thing to do Here you would see the Julian also installed a loudspeaker next to the window so there was not only one loudspeaker Above the table for the white noise generator, but also directly at the window Here you see very briefly on the top the loudspeaker over the table but they also opened during the survey like all the Electrical wiring things the light switches and so on to see if that would be any sealable places and They also did that in the bathroom number two But some number two was originally the woman's a bathroom which also had a shower It was then later more or less Julian's personal bathroom where he also made the most critical meetings with his lawyers and Associates while running the shower as you would see it in every Better spy movie However, what they did was behind the the rubbish that you would see here this boxes above the cabinet and Slightly behind that cabinet they had an electrical wiring for the light So they installed a buck there and that didn't require any battery change or whatever that brought ongoing good audio quality They also went through the kitchen objects and at this point. They must have been infected by the week leaks house humor However, they would bark at that kind of thing the other aspect that Morales Discussed with the staff working in the embassy once when he came back from his travels Was that he asked them if they could think about a way where they would Accidentally leave one of the doors open so that the Americans could come in and kidnap him. He also discussed if they could Put into some poison into the food or how that how what options there would be to poison Julian However, this thing with the leaving the door Accidentally open next to the fact that that's of course would be completely illegal like in an embassy of another country to kidnap someone from but Well, this is the center intelligence agency or similar of the United States. What do they care about laws? So what they did was provide a documentation of all the doors all the locks. They went through the whole thing To think about how such a kidnapping take place They even made a little video showing like the way they could move from this emergency exit or from a window and getten so I have this little video and you get here the idea of the the way it could work and Yes, the reflections allow us to identify the person who did it So this is actually just one of three videos. We have about this. They also did this for the Rooms in the back and so on as they also considered maybe going through in one of the windows Which would be more easy for them to leave open than the door So this is still part of that plan like name all the doors windows identify Here's some kind of rain cube or whatever which they could use to Maybe come from above Label all the windows so to get another year So what they did in to 17 was done this to box the hidden microphones recording devices and fire extinguisher and in this behind above the storage cabinet in the bathroom and They did installation of high resolution cameras Plus and microphones they however also discussed that they wanted one more room and that's the front room where Julian had It's the former library where he had a bit of a room not for visitors, but to Work with himself and with his staff That room was a little bit hard for them to target They would have to be going through the ambassadors room which was corresponding to it So they looked into stetographic excuse me steto whatever steto microphones To watch through the no to listen through the wall In order to do that the Americans also asked them to take like a spoon or a knife and bring them some Scratch some parts of the wall so that they could identify the material from which the wall was made In order to identify which drilling machine they would have to use they have Extremely slow drilling machines, which you put like in a suitcase next to a wall And it takes eight hours for three centimeters, but it makes no noise Okay, and that's the way they would have used this kind of things here again It's just the places of that hidden microphones And here is some as they documented their work Here's some video documentation of photographic documentation of the installation of the Upgrades of the camera with audio And so this is the upgraded diagram of the camera installation You would see all the interior cameras are four megapixels now and the conference room has two So in both corresponding sides to cover really the whole room So I don't switch back and forth now between the other slides But you would have seen that that would still have been small areas of the room which we are not covered This was like full room coverage of wherever he would be allowed to go to So this noise generator however that Julian installed Made them quite some headache. It worked pretty well However, other people pointed out to me also and it is true if you sit in a room With a with with this white noise generator you get headache. It's not nice I mean yes, it works and it prevents them bucking it, but it's also pretty tough to Do that for one two hours however the American friends had issues with it and They already had started to bark at the embassy from the outside with laser Reflecting microphones meaning the vibrations on the glass of the windows would be used But as his witness generator had allowed speaker directly to the window They needed to deal with that and they instructed to install special stickers Which will be there will be actually in the next days a police situation The quadrants have allowed to take one of these stickers They have a kind of a foam on the one side and the reflecting Blank side That allowed them to do it anyhow So you would have this thing here and here? Unfortunately, I do not have at this point a very good picture of this stickers itself But you would see here their documentation that they installed in every window not only that of the conference room one of these stickers that allowed them to deal with a maze laser outside and Actually their outside camera the 8 megapixel monster I mentioned earlier catched once the Americans on the other side of the street when they occurred and was a little bit To the side here with their laser machine So You get here the idea that is not a camera There's of course other things that happened as well this slide is more actually for your entertainment after the rather depressive technical text they also did sometimes normal things Was not only spying on behalf of the Americans but Most important and most depressive is actually what happened on end of 2017 and of 2017 the Government of Ecuador the new government had already been elected, but the new government was not in office So as one of the last steps of the old government to solve his situation They gave him they gave Julian Ecuador and citizenship They made him a diplomat and they had pre-agreed with some countries which he could choose from To actually appoint him as a diplomat to one of their other embassies Where he would not have that hostile? environment surrounding it On the 21st of December he met in the embassy the head of the Ecuadorian intelligence Romy Valeo I have one picture from that meeting the meeting of course was completely intercepted the Americans were on high alert and actually after he used a witness generator and Located himself with a guy slightly away from the fire extinguisher by knowing or not knowing about it The guards even were asked to like stand In front of the door and listen through the door and stuff The same night actually so this was as you could see here at the time counter It's like three four o'clock and I did went on for some time the next day They issued the international arrest warrant against Julian. They informed the British and the British informed the Ecuadorians that they would not accept the pointing of Julian as a diplomat and So the whole plan was dismissed and massive police came like standing in front of Like on this little side street right from it So this is where the term actionable intelligence has like a direct meaning that you can actually talk to your coffee cup and Next moment shit happens. So To illustrate that at the end I brought you some resource links This is as I said ongoing cases that will be more material that will probably make us a little bit of a case study out of it published at Buck planet if you are Interested or willing to support his legal and other Situations at Barholan Foundation, which I'm a board member and that's also what brought me to all these meetings We do collect money for Julian's defense and also for ongoing aspects of WikiLeaks publications Okay That's for me from my side for now We have a bit of time left for questions and answers if I just knew how much Like 20 minutes or so About 20 minutes. We will take in questions and we have three microphones in the room So please line up behind them and with a questions from the internet as well the signal angels will show me The sticker Yes, sorry, I forgot to mention that the stickers on the windows. We're saying like This building is under CCTV under cameras of violence and Morales had told his people that all the British law has changed and they would require to have the stickers now Which is of course completely ridiculous Also watching the the cover frame of their outside cameras like they would have to actually go all over the place There and tell them oh by the way, you're on this file. And so yeah, that was indeed Remarkable also Thank you Let's give her a round of applause Thank you again for the very insightful talk We are taking questions. So stand behind the microphones and Please go ahead Or maybe we have questions. I would I would at this case I would not only be open to questions But also to ideas how to get them out of Belmoush present, but just to have a set We're gonna take a question from the internet Yeah, just one were a brief question from the internet What is that laser with sticker technology and Furthermore, what's its purpose? So why are they needed? Okay, maybe I wasn't making it clear enough the stickers would have a reflecting surface to the outside But the way they're glued to the window would somehow detach them from the Inside noise, I don't know how it works at this point in in that detail that we will have one of these stickers in the next Weeks and we'll be able to study it But it somehow seemed to help the Americans with their laser technology to take the audio from the vibration of The voice generated or transported through the glass of the window Thank you It appears we have no more questions or everyone is too scared to ask one We are distributed face masks if that's the case. Yeah, maybe I want to there is there is someone Hi, you're brave Go ahead Can you hear me? Hello? Yes. Okay Without revealing your thoughts, and how did you even get all this information so the videos surveillance cameras and all these details? well Subject to lawyers advice my answer is that I'm an investigative journalist and I don't talk about my methods and sources but I Leave it up to your fantasy is I said this material is subject to an ongoing lawsuit So it is also in the hands of the Spanish prosecutor and maybe just Very little comment because I discussed this also with Julian and others I would have to say it let's say before I went all too deep into this and Actually looked at this material for hours and hours and days I would of course also have called Julian and myself paranoid people But after I did this I would call it well We had a good situational awareness because that's the more precise terminology Where we are into Okay Next question same microphone In the beginning you said there are multiple embassies in science of building My question is the hallway. Is it actually part of Great Britain or is it some new neutral area? Well, no, it's part of Great Britain. And so the hallway was just shared among the building tenants, but all of the Apartments so to say in that building are private properties. So it's like a shared thing of the building that's maybe a better English term, which I don't know but the Diplomatic police, which is the maybe better educated part of the British Hit-and-run job police guys Would not be allowed normally to step In the embassy, but in the hallway they sometimes were in the hallway right in front of the door So they would also listen to the dialogue when you were talking with the guard about coming in or whatever And of course there was in the first Months of his day or even years. There was this ongoing police situation was actually the police that sometimes in winter they must have got a Bit cold and they installed a van there saying police conference Which was probably silver for 12 people had fancy antennas and cameras all over so they had this ongoing police Conference right in front of the building Thank you, we're going to take a question from the internet alright Have you been approached by the CIA or the MI5 or met the police and been asked to cease and desist from talking about their operation against Julian Assange and the embassy itself Not in a direct way that they talked to me, but I've been subject to what I would call Intimidation surveillance. So there is covered surveillance. That's when they are Hiding their stuff and you see maybe a camera at a border point or whatever intimidation starts for me when I'm for example coming in the early morning hours to airport London Heathrow Come to the immigration counter. I taste my passport. See something on the screen starts to ask me actually the same question three times But he doesn't even listen to my answers like where are you going? What's your occupation? He's asking it again. I'm like you're talking to a maroon or what's going wrong here But at some point I identified as it happened again and again and again that after some minutes You got this gold material or this gold blink on his screen. And so the guys outside We're standing ready to follow me the whole fucking day And that's what I would call Intimidation surveillance. It's not meant to like like watch me It's mainly meant to let you know that you are not like here that we are have you on our eyes that We know you're a friend of Julian and so on. So Yeah, that was not the pleasant part of my life Thank you microphone one Yeah, first. Thank you Nice talk very dystopian I'm just following up on what you just said. I mean chances are high that you are under surveillance as well What are the personal countermeasures you take and did you check your fire extinguisher? Yeah Actually, I could and should probably at some point in the next month hold a separate talk about that. I found Physical buck in one of my phones. I have all kinds of funny Coincidence I was able to actually create traffic jams in one way streets in European cities at three o'clock on the night and that's quite an interesting experience And at some point you maybe get used to it you think well, okay, that's how it is but of course it Is a bit of a loss of quality of life and also You are becoming a little bit different in your behavior towards other people But as I said, it's unfortunately it's situational awareness. So You can't be careful enough in such a situation basically if you look at it from a balance of budget or balance of measures or options point of view they have an Endless astronomy military budget. We have encrypted email OTR and maybe crypto phones So basically My assumption has become that they know what I'm doing and I'm not doing anything illegal anyhow But the whole case against Julian and after you have studied all these Material which includes the pictures of the bathroom, right? There was a audio buck also in the bathroom area And so on with these cameras and I think for me, it's pretty clear This is not about him having violated any laws. This has nothing to do with law enforcement This is a political case. This is Intimidation and it is that they want to set that precedent that they want to actually Hang him on the highest tree and let us all wear don't try to connect the internet with the secrets as we don't like that but actually on the positive side speaking as I said He has shown with wiki leaks that it is possible. The internet is quite suitable to deal and to provide more Aspects of information and knowledge on government secrets acting to all of us. So Yes, come set a price Okay, this is getting more dystopian by the minute, but sorry for that if we can go for that area microphone, too I'm sure there will be other talks about good news. Oh No, no there won't Thank you so much for the presentation the details like we're really important like to see, you know Have a concrete image of what surveillance look like in the embassy and as you mentioned All what happened was in complicity with the Ecuadorian embassy Even if also you said that it's not really related to law enforcement I'm really curious from a legal perspective if there is Anyway, and there are like ongoing cases if there is any way they could get away with it Are there any things that they can do or defend or argument just to make this okay? I don't know national security reasons, whatever not consider it, you know as a violation Okay, so what I can say is that the Spanish lawyers of Julian are currently with high pressure Also working together with a state prosecutor and examine the evidence and so the Owner of the company was briefly arrested. He's out on bail. His company compound was a searched Computers USB's hard disk where seized and so on and that's all stuff that's being worked on right now because It might be very important for Julian's main extradition case As it clearly demonstrate that the United States or Some entities of the United States or being located in the United States have violated his ability To prepare his legal defense in a fair way And that might be a main argument however When and I've been talking a lot with these lawyers Like they say things like like in any normal case this would be the end But this is doing a can Assange and the UK government on behalf of the American government So we'll see what happens. No one expects a fair trial here And I mean also the fact that he's kept in solitary confinement for 22 hours a day In a high-security prison. That's normally for terrorist organized crime and murders While being none of that Shows clearly that this is like not normal case here. This has nothing to do with normal justice The United Kingdom ignores the United Nations finding on torture About his psychological state as he has been of course through a total different journey for him It was not only knowing about this surveillance. It was also the unknown of Can I ever expect a fair trial while they will I want to kill me? Will it just be orange base jumps in in gitmo or whatever? So you of course Has issues through that and but the UK ignores is at the United Nations. So in theory We should all be outraged completely and stand in front of at least British embassies for the moment to Do to demand that his prison conditions are being humanized as Totally independent from the fact if the court will find him guilty or if the Tradition will place the fear is that he's kind of being killed right now as we speak Thank you microphone to Do you know if that Spanish company is still responsible for the security installation at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London No, maybe I you missed that slide. They have been brought out of the their count their contract has been cancelled in April of 2018 and this other company from security took over Thank you one more what I can also say is that some of the that's maybe an important aspect as some of the employees of Lucy global which have been Working in the embassy and had their eight hour shifts there have become protected witnesses of the Spanish Justice to testify against Morales. They were not happy what they were doing They understood at some point that this was on behalf of American intelligence Violating the official contract they have been working under so there was some resistance there is The option that some of this resistance also had to do that the other company got a lot of money every month for this But did not share that money that might have played into it, but some of these guys also We're not happy as they were like sitting in the same rooms with Julian the whole day and talk with him, of course also Thank you one more question from the internet. Hi internet people How do you explain the huge effort besides the intimidation you mentioned towards you? That motivates the USA to take to take these dubious and very ambitious steps So maybe just to ask one more question to you. So how many intelligence efforts do offices? Do you think then are in this room right now? Okay So the first question was I'm not sure fully got it. Why they're doing this Well, I mean I could also have introduced me the other way I could have said I don't need to introduce myself go to the Miller report see page 47 I was suspected Due to my multiple visits and actually look I brought Julian food. I brought him closing I brought him computers USB sticks in like packages All kind of things I will never be able to prove what I not brought him due to the amounts of my visits there so the washing post came at some point and Said that they had multiple intelligent source from several concerts that I was to personally brought during the DNC emails Only USB stick and I said like wow, what a bullshit, but as I said, I will never be able to prove that I wasn't doing that my Taking of it is as I'm in a small foundation called the Holland Foundation one of the five board members and actually I'm kind of working in that project area for a frame of information that I was to contact prison to weeklies and to Julian for many years So they maybe just to follow the money and want to kill it I mean would not be a surprise that they want to kill like weeklies else as a publication agency Not Julian Assange only as a human being so here you go one theory There's of course many others, but I guess they're pretty generous and the budget they have to deal with this is pretty big So and of course I'm not the only one that's being followed and so on the other question was yeah How many intelligence officers that we have in this room? Out there on the stream I see 23 different In the room five to eight I think that guy looks a bit sketchy. He's wearing a headset. He's been quiet the entire time Yeah, what can I say? I mean openness protects from From being blackmailed maybe that was vows idea about it But of course not all aspects of weeklies can be subject to full dispensaries There's sources to protect as people who have lives to protect who help with all kind of things There's genres to sometimes bring more things from funny sources So there's all kind of things that as a media project you would want to protect normally under the circumstances. However, it's a bit tough Okay, thank you There is a person next to microphone one and I don't understand if you actually have a question or you're there to just an answer maybe You have a question. Yeah, are you CIA? Then we're not okay, we're not interested microphone, too So those are brutal, okay, thank you Are they actually any diplomatic consequences out of this case because like the CIA with the help of the British government? Kind of violated the embassy of Ecuador. So Like installing cameras is not exactly okay for my understanding and foreign government embassies Well, I would Think that in any normal European country, there would also be investigation Like official investigation, maybe even by other embassies in the building and so on after learning these things The UK seems to have just decided not only to get out of European Union But also to become more of a colony of the United States if they have not been that all the time So I don't have the impression also with the fact that the current Ecuadorian government is very pro-us. They have allowed military Installations from United States in Ecuador. They have made this agreement to help them investigation So not that I'm aware of however this Spanish investigation Is probably the strongest thing going on. There have been contradicting statements about involvement of Secret service people CIA people Might be mixture of both of them But this is ongoing and if you I will you will this links here is on my own little wiki called Osend info Where I'm collecting the regular updates coming in from the investigation through the Spanish news and so on So you will learn more about the case in the next weeks. It's all ongoing Thank you. Okay, the guy who's supposedly not CIA go So I want to make clear that I never received any direct payments from the CIA Okay, no, but that's that's why they were the nature of them. So I would be very surprised I would be very surprised that we find evidence Because while the core working principle of the intelligence is of course deniability So if you have a situation like this where you see funny money is coming in and funny instructions come in But you cannot prove who it was that's exactly the confirmation and so to say the proof because you can't prove it That's deniability is core of their like way of acting and I mean who whom by the way do I'm telling this here? Not only them. Okay. I always thought you kind of create an invoice for covert spy activities Yes, yes, they did at some point, but the guy was greedy He he traveled done what we know is he traveled to Gibraltar and there might be hidden bank accounts there and Also the way the cash was transferred changed from time to time. So there was Not all of it seems to have been going directly Through Sheldon Adelson, but Sheldon Adelson is actually I missed him to put him here on a link He's a person also was checking out is a very weird International intelligence and operate if I would call him and he can sue me for that But he's 92 years old. So he's a cover anyhow just for other people acting and he runs casinos in Las Vegas in Macau and other places He has been running spy operations on Chinese officials in Macau He has been accused look Wikipedia on money laundering From forged US dollar in notes printed in Iran was not Korean paper or the other way around Being brought in by Israeli citizen in a funny operation. So He's a truly interesting person in this context also So I thought you just send it to invoices at CIA dot gov and then get it paid. Okay. Try it Yeah, I try it And and put the Yeah, no, actually, I would also have a lot of funny fantasy about this if this wouldn't be about a friend of mine Who's in serious shit? So if you could please also apply your fantasy of how we could get out him there Not only to the question of how we deal with the CIA. I would be very thankful to you guys Hey, thank you. Definitely not try any of that at all question from the internet please The internet asks What will happen to WikiLeaks as an organization in case a sansh gets a life sentence and Since I'm not sure this is the last question from the internet the internet wants to say that it really appreciates your willingness to do the talk again So, thank you for your courage So I'm not speaking for WikiLeaks, but I'm in contact with Christian Hilsen. He has this Icelandic name That's hard to pronounce who's the current editor and chief and I mean WikiLeaks is Publishing things ongoing the last publication was actually two days ago in the 27th or something So they of course decided to continue the work also because they think that's the only thing they can do to demonstrate also that like this is a publishing organization and They have been working with media partners and so on so in Iceland where Christian is officially located the Surrounding environments anyhow a lot more supportive as the other days some years ago when this Calpting Bank issue They had a local bank corruption issue and that was a national scandal It's a small country 300,000 people as a total different environment and Christian is pretty confident that they Leave him peace there and appreciate the work So that's not the UK But for the UK itself Well, I cannot speak and I can also not speak for WikiLeaks if anyone on the internet has good ideas and what to do as I said, this is maybe The phase where we really need to crowdsource our ideas on how to get Julian out of the shed. Thank you Do we take a question from the guy who's definitely not CIA? Okay, go Okay, so we have suspected for a long time that there was a secret Request for extolation for Julian and that he was under surveillance, but there was no proof until now So the general public and most journalists Dismissed us as conspiracy theories now that it's out everyone agrees. Okay, that this was obvious So this was situational around us. Yes. Yeah So how can we help the next Julian which we are not sure yet that he's definitely under surveillance to Yeah, raise awareness of such a situation Well, I mean in theory As far as I know the publishing activities of WikiLeaks Are not Illegal have not been illegal at least I'm yes There's ongoing investigations, but these ongoing investigations are around the question of how sources we are Convinced to be a source So there's this allegation that for example Chelsea are menning was instructed to do something in order to submit the stuff in order to publish it later The publishing itself might have not been illegal Chelsea are menning itself is as you might know also in prison again for net not testifying against Julian about exactly this question So it's not only the Publishing stuff that's being threatened here. Yes, also but also the Treatment of sources and the whole wording surrounding the process of acquiring a source It's hard for me to like right now come up with like the concept of how this can continue But obviously we are here at the situation where transparency in governmental affairs has Successfully being demonstrated to be achievable over the internet with the right access to information and data and Also being challenged by those in power And so we better challenge those in power and ensure that Democracy based on our ability and our right to know what is happening in our name is preserved How are we gonna do that with a country like the The formerly country known as the United States now Trump is down or whatever I Mean even for the United Kingdom But okay, here we are in old Europe or In Germany with all its weird history There's other countries surrounding is that at least have a Constitution based on some human rights the United Kingdom doesn't even have a constitution based on that So at least for Germany France Maybe Italy Spain and so on and these countries. I still see that that we can do something So this is also a bit of a situation between European and American understanding of governance at all and We just can't that this happened. I mean, this is not about Julian This is about our ability to deal with governments or or if you want to hear it the other way around with the government's abilities to deal with us Thank you