 Well, thank you everyone for being here on the very last session on the very last day. So these are the quantum true believers as far as I gather. I revamped this a little bit based on the conversations the last couple of days. It became really clear to me that there's a lot happening in our industry. I'm sure every one of us knows someone that's had a layoff in tech and I'm hearing a lot of comments, especially in the Fang side of things, especially what's happening sort of further south, Seattle, Silicon Valley. There's a big transition happening where people are realizing that the days of working for Google, Facebook, et cetera are winding down from the kind of the golden era. Meanwhile, quantum computing is kind of booming. So we're going to chat today about what quantum computing really is. Open source and quantum computing, 10 points if you spot the typo and 20 points if you just politely pretend it's not there, jet lag, and how to get involved. So I'll give a bit of a run through first of who I am. We might come in, guys. You missed the very best bit. The first 10 seconds were the best, but in terms of who am I, so I was actually born in the outback in a town you've never heard of, Mount Isa. I come from the reddest red part of Australia. The most cliche immigrant family mining town you can imagine. So when I'm about to talk about a career in open source that leads to quantum computing, it's probably something that you could make up as a fiction story. If I can do it, literally anyone else can. So you don't really see any quantum computers in this photo, do you? But how I got from there, from Red Dirt to Red Hat, nice little pun, do you like that? I spent a chunk of my career working in this wonderful company in the era between IPO and getting bought out by another company. Any IBM employees in the house? Yeah, good. It's too bad there's one that ruined the joke. So the era I got to experience was the chaotic dogmatic era of post-IPO. A lot of buzz around open source back then. All the venture capitalists thought we can make a lot of money doing this. Then the reality, then the cycle of, oh, we've got to make this work right up to the point of acquisition. So that was a really great education for me. I have a lot more gray hairs. I'm a lot younger than I look living through this era. What was fun about it is I got to meet and work with basically all the characters that make our industry possible. Now, one of these people I'm with likes me and the other one doesn't. Can anyone guess who might be the grumpy person in this photo? On the far left, so what had happened is at Red Heart, I had the opportunity to essentially work on anything I wanted as a technical writer. I came from a corporate background. I used to run supply chain analytics for a large coal company here in the US. And I took a role as a technical writer just to get into open source. I took anything available. I would have swept the floors. I had the opportunity, thankfully, to build something that became the content management system that still powers Red Heart today, which is kind of cool. And I met this gentleman. Does anyone know the gentleman on the right? Do you recognize him? So that's Stormin over there. The other gentleman, the smiling one. We're actually in his country. This is really cool. So when we think of the three people that created the operating systems that changed our life, who are they? Throw out some names. OK, that kind of ruined my story. So I was going to say Steve Jobs in terms of what brought it financially, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Bob Young. So Bob Young's the co-founder of Red Heart. His whole thing was to always be invisible, to always be the one that would make things move behind the scenes. And what I loved about Bob is we don't know him. I didn't know him until he pulled me up when I spoke at a conference in New Zealand. And I was talking about how I built something at Red Heart. And he basically said, hey, this sounds interesting. Here's a check. Do something with this check. And if we like what's happening, have you considered taking your open source project and spinning it out as a startup? I said no, because I never wanted to be a Silicon Valley bro. But then I became a Silicon Valley bro. And that became an eight-year journey of me learning how to build a project into a product. And then a year and a half ago, I had the opportunity to sell it, which is the most brutal experience you'll probably go through. And that led to me being able to join a company called Quantum Brilliance. What's really cool here is this object I'm standing next to is a quantum computer. It is a world first. And that little quacker I held up just off to the side of that photo is Australia's most powerful high-performance computer. It crunches all our weather data and the weather data for the UK. That little box I'm standing next to is patched into it with a power cable and an ethernet cable. And it's the world first example of hyperparalyzed co-computed. So I think CPU, GPU, and we built the QPU. It's only two qubits, I'll say only. It was a test build to prove if this was even possible, but it's worked. And now you can probably hear my voice has gone a little bit. We're constantly on the road now because everyone's realized, wow, the era of useful quantum computers is here, which is why I changed this whole talk quickly to be more like, how can we get us into this industry? So we're no longer having to think about Oracle, IBM, Facebook, et cetera. So what is quantum computing? So is anyone going to have a guess? There's going to be some interesting feelings of what it is. Anyone brave enough to dare to try to say what quantum computing is? And there's no wrong answers. Someone? Anyone? If you like frown a lot and sound convincing, that'll pass master, right? It's close enough. Yes and no. What I'm going to do is I'm not going to talk about the technical side. Nearly every time you hear someone talking about quantum computing, they're going to go through the absolute same story. Superposition, they're going to be talking about qubits. They'll talk about the double slit experiment. They'll talk very technical things. When in reality, it doesn't really matter on that size. You'll get pointed to this a lot. This is IBM's, this probably was an Osprey. I think it was maybe one or two versions ago. We always call it the chandelier in the industry because we actually all get on really well. It's a very small industry, which is my disclaimer for saying, I mock IBM relentlessly and vice versa, because my company does diamond-based quantum computing. They often say we're the blood diamond company, which is very offensive. So we say this is the chandelier. So this is an enormous warehouse that uses a lot of energy to super cool something to create high-fidelity qubits, which is lots of power. This is science fiction made real. It's really, really interesting. We do something different. That little box is a 19-inch rack for RU. World-first room temperature quantum computer that can actually run at scale. You just plug it and go. It's a lot less qubit, so a lot less mathematical power than the previous one. So when I say we all get on, we're not competing for the same thing. IBM and Google are over here competing to be like the most miraculous and the rest of us are saying, okay, slow down. What is the use case that we're doing to actually make something useful out of this technology for real businesses now? And of course, I had to ask mid-journey what it would think the future of a diamond-based quantum computer is. This idea of a QPU is what a lot of companies, including ours, are going for. Think of CPU, went to GPU, and you had that co-compute. We're moving into an era in the next five, 10 years where you're going to have small form factor QPUs. We might not ever get to the size of a phone. That's something we're trying to do, but the reality of physics makes that hard. But we will get to something not as blinged out as this, but our company's North Star is what we call the integrated quantum chip. And there's a lot out there doing similar to us to try to get to this form factor. I really want to convince you of this today. Quantum computing is actually boring. Again, I'm not going to talk about the science behind it, because there's plenty of great YouTube videos. Because I'd rather talk about what it does that's really useful, and that is useful for people's careers. Anyone here want to do a physics PhD to get into quantum computing? Or would you rather a well-paid job in quantum computing? So I'm experimenting with the latter lately, right? But what I really want to show is that, despite not having to talk about the deep science of it, the same way that no one in this room actually wrong conference, half of us in this room probably don't care about how a kernel works. We probably don't care about how silicon works, but we care about something else in the ecosystem up the chain. So the idea of what makes quantum computing really useful, and the one thing you can take away from this if you're not really familiar with the industry, is that it's really good at probabilities. The way that bits are sort of on and off, you've probably heard that in quantum space, there's a range of things that can be held at once. So this is the whole showering is cat, is it dead, is it not dead? It can hold probabilities, and when we measure them, we get output. So if that one thing you take away is that this is just a great way to hold massive amounts of data and be really good at looking at the probability of outcomes. Sometimes. I'm also not gonna touch on how difficult this is. There's a pick any style of quantum computing, and there's something in it that's almost impossible that is slowly becoming possible year by year, which is really, really interesting, whether it's the noise around the qubits, whether it's the fact that when we measure something, we basically destroy the state of the qubits. When we ask the question, essentially, of this quantum state, it changes it. There's lots and lots of really hard things. We're getting better at making it real each time, but I just wanna stress that we're not out of the woods yet for whether this perfectly works. The phrase I wanna hit you with is quantum utility. It's another one to sort of keep in mind. You'll hear a lot about quantum supremacy. A few years ago, the team at Google behind a project called Sycamore had a massive achievement. It was the first time they proved that they had quantum supremacy. When I say proved, I mean, published the paper, most of us said, okay, that stands up. And of course, if you've ever met physicists, we tend to argue a lot and we like arguing. So very much like open source. So we had a field day saying, is this really quantum supremacy? That's the giant ones you see. The rest of us are talking about, that's really cool. I really love science fiction, but it's more interesting to find out for something that's quantum utility. Is it really useful? I take a second on this one. So these are some of the usefulnesses that you'll see out there by different industries. This is one of McKinsey's charts. And if you're familiar with McKinsey, they love to make things complex so they can tell you that they're making it easy. What I like to break this down is much simpler and we'll get on four cases where you might see a career popping up for you. But we ask if there's no utility, where's the money coming from? Can you wanna guess where the money and quantum is coming from at the moment? Yeah, VCs, investors. I like you said VC without like a negative tone of voice. It's not a, trust me, I spent so long at Red Hat where the communication around VCs was always so negative internally. Until one day I realized, hang on a minute, we are a VC backed company and I would actually be cheeky and say, and someone's gonna lynch me for this in this room. Open source is the industry we know would literally not exist if not for the venture capitalist getting behind people like Bob Young who said, I'm gonna support Linus and find a business model to make our industry sustainable so we never have to deal with VCs again. That was the paradox and it happened. If you don't know, Red Hat's IPO was the largest in history at the time. It was so oversubscribed that Bob was calling people and saying, stop buying the stock, stop it, literally, he has so many great stories. We are in this bubble right now in quantum. Have a look at that uptick. This is great because I have a job and I have job security. And I'll say this because if I wasn't in this right now, if I was in my old roles, if I had to take in the role with Amazon or other things that popped up, I would be very nervous at this time because we're watching our industry decline. I'm sure there's not a single one of us in this room that hasn't got some exposure to that. Yet this is one of the few up and to the right stories which is why I want to sort of tweak the idea of the talk today to bring some kind of confidence and maybe hold a carrot in front of us as a community. So we're asking, are there any consulting companies in the, ah, yes there is, it's McKinsey. Of course they are, boom. Here's a typical McKinsey chart. So if we could take a second to admire their overwhelming numbers. But the one to look at is on the left. Quantum computing is somewhere between, I love this range, a $9 billion and $93 billion industry. In the next 10, 20 years. Having been an analyst, not sure I would have gotten away with that range personally but I am comfortable that they're at least being a little more honest. If you look at these reports, and by the way I have all the links to the source data at the end of this and I'd encourage you to dig through them, a couple of years ago the numbers were like, it's definitely gonna be five trillion with the confidence of like make believe. We're in this era now where people are saying, okay, quantum utility, it's probably narrowing. So we're getting closer to what the real world case is going to be. Another interesting number there, 223 startups as of December, end of last year. That's pretty interesting and these are not for friends in a garage in Palo Alto startups. These are 50 million, 100 million backed, very stable companies usually with brilliant physics PhDs and some clowns like me around them. This is a model that we're seeing. So what's the most likely thing to reach quantum utility first? This is the question I asked myself when the company I worked for reached out to me and said, do you wanna come and join the product team? I was curious where we'd be headed. So I run the product team at quantum brilliant so I'm always asking this question, who are our users, what is the problem we need to solve? What's interesting is going into another more narrow understanding of market size, it's pretty interesting over a trillion dollar market size and they have quite confidence around that. Chemicals, catalysis, anyone's across this chemical industry, it's really hard to make them massive amounts of energy to do that. The math that it takes to analyze and run classical compute to look at how to make chemicals and find new ones, it's actually really trivial on quantum computers. So that's one of the industries that we're seeing that we already have revenue coming in on that space. And it's exciting to think it's not just about money, but the energy that's used to create these things is exponentially less. So literally better for the world, not Silicon Valley better for the world, actually better for the world. I can't segue to finance after saying better for the world, but we can assume that there are quants and there's industries that are using quantum computing in there. Life science, that's usually the polite industry way of saying pharmaceuticals. It makes people less angry to say life sciences and automotive. Automotive, I'll say as an aside here, as long as you don't tell anyone else. Imagine being a small form factor quantum computer that can go inside a self-driving car and you can probably guess at some of the projects that were involved in the moment, which is super, super cool. So if you want to work for a company like Tesla with maybe a less unstable boss, there's a lot of companies coming through that have a looking in this space as well. Glad this is not being recorded by the way. So let's get out of trouble and talk about open source and quantum computing. Great, so we know market size, we know it's up and to the right, we know it's a great place to work. How do we get involved? What are the main ones? Bit of a busy chart. And again, I'll be sending this and more data out to you all if you're interested. What we noticed from the top projects is yes, it's dominated still by some of the large companies. IBM is the big gorilla, the big blue gorilla in the room. And what's been interesting about IBM is they've been actually fantastic in the community. So they haven't been the old IBM, which used to be the one that would be, let's get as many patents out in the world as we can and close off access to things. They've changed the way that they measure success even in DevRel is how many papers can we get out to the world? How many communities can we seed? So there's some Kiskit project. Some of my team actually were involved in kicking it off to the point when they were teaching it at university, they'd have the latest compilation of it every day and it didn't work for about six months. But the fact that they could compile code and showed students kept people involved long enough to have an interest. All of us are lucky that these are now very mature communities. Kiskit would have about maybe 5,000 stars on GitHub if that means anything to anyone, but it's very robust. What's interesting about IBM's approach is they actually de-branded it. So Kiskit, open source, it's not a big bluish thing. It's a very red hat approach for things of like red hats relationship with Fedora is like IBM with Kiskit. So very fond to Kiskit. Google's obviously got their own with Cirque and some of the TensorFlow stuff. This company is Zanado, you'll see Penny Lane. Each one of these would be interesting for you to have a look at even the GitHub repo or have a look at the community landing page, have a look at how they communicate. All of us, every company on there, I'm speaking with them pretty much week to week. It's a very small community, we all get on really really well and we're always looking for ways to sort of, not trade users, but to find things where we say, hey, we need some community managers. They're like, oh, do you know any designers? It's so early that it's exciting that you know each other by name. Like in a few days I'll be in San Francisco and I'm catching up with a bunch of the people from here to basically share ideas of how do we find people like us and give us the opportunities to do people like me in our doing. So how do we get involved? The kind of roles, can anyone guess, it's gonna be interesting. What would be the number one in-demand role in constant computing right now? The usual answer is developers, right? Usually in everything. Funnily enough, it's not. It's not the number one in-demand role, which makes me smile. Even though I was a developer, I don't identify as one. It feels like a very post-modern thing to say. I'm a product manager. I never would have thought that product managers would be involved. Here's all the roles that we are hiring. Here's all the roles that that whole list you saw before are hiring. Genuinely makes me excited to see that there's a growth industry in tech. A lot of people don't like us anymore. The newspapers, media, tech is kind of the boogeyman for a lot of things. So it's really nice to know that there's job security emerging. When we see these roles, I used to be a bit of an outsider to tech, and I used to think, how do you actually be any of this? How do I be a technical writer? Or how can I be even a content creator in this space? So to make it tactical, let's take a moment with this. So developers, yes, make code, submit a feature, et cetera, but sometimes it can be as simple as reaching out in a community, contacting a DevRel. So part of my role is DevRel. So if you liked what Quantum Bruins was doing, it's like I'd like to be involved. If you went to a university, a great way to get touches to contact people like me and say, hey, there's a university coding group. Do you have anything for us? Could you show us an open source thing? That's a bunch of users. Always remember that the people that you talk to have their own KPIs and they have their own goals inside of a company. Sometimes it's enough just to ask. When I joined Red Hat as a technical writer, it was because I asked some technical writers, what does good look like for you? What's a good week? What are your KPIs? And they said, oh, we need to work out ways of not writing giant books, of writing quick starts. So I just wrote a quick start. And I didn't know how to do any of the things I was writing about. I just took the boring documentation and put it in a new blog post format. Really. And I learned from the process and that's what got me a job that led to me becoming a founder, oddly enough. So none of this is wasted time. QA testers. I still find the word QA testing kind of intimidating. It's like the person that's telling me I'm very bad at what I do. But that's a great way to get into it because you could just provide feedback. You could test the install. That's on a quick start guide. It just makes it, check that it actually works because often they don't. Reporting on bugs, et cetera. If I'll go into one I really like. So my personal number one request right now, I would love if anyone was curious enough to get involved in quantum, to even just do some quick starts. Take existing content and rewrite it. Put it on dev.to, hash node. Those communities are very early junior dev communities. I love them so much. They have the enthusiasm that tends to fade as you get into your 40s like I'm finding. So these are just like a quick idea of the many, many ways. By the way, all of this is an invitation to you all. If you're at all interested in like, oh, I'm a supporter, I'm a dev, reach out to me and I'm always happy to brainstorm, jump on a Zoom call and find opportunities to do this kind of thing. Resources wise. So even though I did downplay it, there are some fundamentals to learn in quantum computing, which is interesting because you probably could be a technical writer, a product manager, a designer, et cetera and not really know the science. The same way that few of us working in tech actually know how the silicon works or a CPU works or a kernel works. I worked on a middleware team and I think over two years building in JBoss, if anyone knows the product, I was learning my way down the stack. I even wrote the certification. I'm sure someone at this conference has been certified in JBoss and I wrote that while I was still using a Mac before I was fully, I actually shouldn't admit that. We should delete that bit, but you don't need to know the full stack to be involved and to have a feeling of belonging in the community. So these are kind of the standard answers, right? University, I believe there's over 50 certified university courses around the world at established and quite respectful unis. They're booming in India. Massive, massive growth there. The US, okay, Australia funnily enough is one of the world leaders in it. Woo, USA, let's have a. Oh, okay, New Orleans, right? Oh, cool, oh, respect. I wouldn't have picked that. How long's it been there? Huh, this is a great little exchange, thank you. You've got your homework now to let me know. A lot of great MOOCs coming. Let's say that maybe if the Linux Foundation, actually this is a little test. If the Linux Foundation wants to do an entry level course that was free or some content around that, who would be interested? Please all put your hands up because the person in the room that can make this happen is in the room to make that happen. We actually have three courses on that. Look at that, see that's quantum. Do they or don't they have? And it's only when I said that we measured the state that we got the outcome. It's my one quantum joke for the moment. Courses, I know there's actually been a lot of push and pull around edX and Coursera and others. My boss used to be from IBM and he was involved in creating a lot of the early content. But in the early days, and a few people know these early days, perhaps some of the big brands, legal's team would get involved a lot because IP and knowledge used to block people from sharing, which is ironic that we're now at a point now at an open source conference where we're literally giving everything away and saying here's all the knowledge that we have. It makes it easier for us to do what we do by giving, what am I saying? It's an open source conference, you get this. Clearly I've been dealing with academics for so long and having to restate the fundamentals of open source over and over again. Incredible content on YouTube, incredible content. I would actually say that is probably the leading content in the world right now besides Linux Foundation. I only got trouble there. And on the community side, each of these communities, like I want to make fun of IBM. It's so deep in my blood to want to make fun of IBM. But the community that they've built are probably some of the best community builders I've met in my life in and around their kisket and outreach. In fact, if you jump on YouTube, anything that's come through in the last two months, Veritasium, MKHBD, I think that's how you say that. And some of the crew around there have done some great YouTube videos that I'll link you all to. All of them are enabled by the IBM team. And you can see them in the background, but they're not pushing their brand forward. So we're in an era where it's like great advocacy is coming through. I'm gonna do an experiment though. So I wanted to make this more of a slight Q and A. This QR code goes to a Google form. And it's simply asking one thing, would you be interested if I made some time available and don't tell my boss to create a little working group and we can, let's say it's a four week working group, four to six. And the sole purpose of that is to get a feel for what we collectively as an open source group want, get some information and what we think would be useful, whether it's courses or certification or whether it's even getting a couple of our companies together to say, hey, could we collaborate on something? That leads to the form, just send me your email and what you think. I'll also send you an absolute treasure trove of data on the industry that I used when I was researching the job. I was actually coming on board at QB first as a dev role and just advising in product management, but I got so hooked that I accepted a role as head of product within like three or four weeks. And it's been an absolute life-changing journey. It's exhausting, the industry's moving fast, but that's not to scare you off. If you're interested in getting involved, I can absolutely promise you that I will throw a lot of time and attention into pulling people into the community if you'd like, which is a really nice segue to any questions. Or I'll turn this as a question to you. What brought people here? Why are you in a room for something as vague as quantum computing? What are you looking to get out of potentially this area? Is it knowledge? Could it be a role? A career change? Is anyone brave enough to throw out an idea? If you have a question, I got a mic. Just randomly give someone the mic. Yeah. It's a very quantum way to do it. But is the mic on or off? First of all, thank you for the talk. I think it's the best for the last. It was amazing. So I work for a company called Quantum Insider. We are mostly publishing more like a media company for the quantum industry. And we have a kind of data platform for like crunch base, but really focus on the quantum industry. I had the privilege to work with a startup that has an API over the existing quantum computers across the world. But I want to go further. That's why I came today. I was curious about getting behind those APIs. I guess my question will be, you mentioned that, I guess the developers are not much in demand, but what would you say is a potential career path to still be a developer from the stack that we know today to Quantum, but also even move forward to project management. That's a really good question. So I first want to shout out to the Quantum Insider. So this is a good one. Again, QR code, I'll link you to it. They're probably the, you said it well, they're like the crunch base of the quantum community. And my understanding, it's a few people that were writing earnestly about it, got together and realized, hey, the industry has become so serious now that we can actually make a living being tech journalists, just like you. The writing's incredible and they've wrapped together a product that's kind of a, this is what's happening, sort of subscriber-ish type thing. It's really, really good. I love your framing of like getting through the API because that's the feeling in tech sometimes, right? We can have these roles where it's developer, advocate, community, even sort of product owner. And sometimes you feel still is a bit of an outsider. I could be cheeky and say one way to get through that is community and education, which would be even ourselves in this room, right? How could we take our collective journeys together? It could be something like a Slack channel. I really recommend getting a small group of people that have commonality. Communities are practice, essentially. It could be four people and say, how do we go through? And then being really surgical and finding people like myself, finding equivalent of me, Jordan at Amazon Bracket, or even at Nvidia as a quantum team. Find out who are the DevRel people, whose job it is to talk, and then really ask them what's been happening in your org that creates opportunities. That's how I ended up at Red Hat. I talked to a gentleman called Paul Gamp who ran Red Hat in Australia and he gave me the quote, don't ask what seat on a rocket ship, right? You get in the rocket ship. Bit of a startup trope. I can't believe I went on stage just then, but it ended up being quite a real thing. So once you're inside and give you an example of what I did at Red Hat, so I was a technical writer and I started doing all the certifications. The first one was brutally hard and I failed it the first time, the RHCSA. If anyone's done certs at Red Hat, you know, and I think Linux Foundation do the same. It's got some gotchas. Can't talk about it as an NDA and also I love it so much I'd never spoil it. But once I got through the RHCSA, all my certified engineering Jboss ones are a piece of cake because I felt like, oh, I could be a developer. I think we all just need that key moment, right? Can I get a community around me that people will believe that it's possible? Can I solve something hard, which might even just be going through the quick starts? And can I contribute something small that people take me seriously? Which again, I'm going to be selfish and use our example here. I'll tell you something that isn't going to be known publicly for a week, but we're about to GA an open source product called Crystal SDK. We had an open beta. It's essentially our software development kit for our entire suite that's geared towards HPCs and hyperparalysation. Those words don't need to mean anything to you. If you just wanted to see how to use quantum computing, we've got these quick start guides there. I would love to see someone take those guides and write a blog post about it, which could be copy and paste and a little bit of wink-wink chat GPT, right? But that would be enough for us to see, oh, people are signaling that they want to join the journey. And I can tell you what, we can publicly say that we've raised $226 million from a bunch of sovereign funds at Quantum Brilliant, so Breakthrough Victoria and a bunch of governments around the world really love us. So we have that cash and we have a mission to do. So as a community comes around, the cool thing is when you're early like this, even if someone did that, I would make lots of time in my day to say, this is cool, because if you come on this journey with us and it could even be at IBM, it doesn't have to be a start-up, then the outcome is going to be great, right? And I think over time, it's really powerful. Thank you for presentation. For me personally, it's two reasons, right? The first one, it's my job. I'm dealing right now with the VB6 replath warming, and this is like my hobby, breath of fresh air, right? Geeking out and kind of continuing with the second topic, you know, when I talked to my brother, he's not a tech guy. You know, the quantum computing is some stuff happening. He's like, is that for real? Is that really happening? I thought this is just science fiction. I was like, no, it's actually happening. So being on that bleeding edge or being at least a part of it, it's just so motivating, you know, in a sense. So for me, those are two reasons and I'd love to chat. That's lovely. Thank you for sharing that. This conference is the best Linux conference I've ever seen in terms of organization. It's also beautiful and it reminded me of a feeling I got the first time as a red dirt born Australian that had the chance to go to San Francisco. If you've been through the Computer History Museum, anyone? There's a few nods. It's basically across the road from Google Campus. If you're ever down in Mount View, please go there. It's got the prototype of Waz's Apple, like the hand-soldered wooden breadboard one. It's got everything from abacus through to supercomputers and I used to go through there and when I ran my own company, I'd hire a team and bring them through. I'd give every new employee, say like, we are a part of this. Super cheesy, right? But there'd be a point at the end where there was a photo of Bob Young on this wall and I'd never mention it. I'd wait for the team member and go, oh, that's our advisor. That's our investor. These are just normal people like us. We don't talk about anyone in tech, except, you know, our own special snowflakey kind of ways. But to be a part of it and be a part of it now, we just had a new employee join already indispensable. He's on my product team and when he did his LinkedIn post, you know, I'm so excited, you know, LinkedIn language. I'm so honored and excited to be joining blah, blah, blah. What I would call a veteran, a ye oldie tech person was like, take photos every week because you're probably making history in quantum. The company fails and we get swept up by someone else. You know, I'm smiling as I say this because I know even if quantum brilliance doesn't work, what we're doing is the fundamentals of the next wave of computing. That's way more cool than being the person at Google in charge of a button or any of 50 other chat apps, right? I have a bias here, so I'm just disclaimer. But yeah, thank you for the sharing. Who has the mic? I have the mic. Can you tell us if quantum brilliance has any emulators or STQs or things that folks like us who might be interested can play around with and understand the technical aspects of the system and potentially try it? It's a really good question. It almost feels like someone's paid you to say that. Why it's funny you say that because quantum brilliance has to... They haven't paid me yet. I'll be waiting out there. That's funny. So put in context for those that might not be familiar. The fundamentals of quantum computing are really quite well known. How to do it's hard. How to make these things. I'm not even going to go into the science of it. How to make the information do something and get the information back out. To make that happen, we've seen there's the giant ones, the little ones, but we all have the same problem of how do I start getting my developers and my business teams to know how to prepare stuff to get it ready for this format. SDKs are the first thing you make, obviously. Let people develop and make things. But then this word emulator. So the emulators are fascinating because they don't just emulate the quantum state or emulate what's happening. They emulate the noise because it's a very noisy and chaotic thing that we're doing. And again, the science I won't bore you with but just imagine a raging inferno and we're trying to tame this madness and get this information out. We're in an era often called NISC. Just essentially we're in an era where there's noisiness around what we do. So even though we're seeing utility it can be quite hard to get good data back out. So what we've just launched and we chose to do it in two ways. Quantum rants chose to do the open source SDK just to get this out there and get feedback but we chose to keep our emulator as a commercial product for the time being. I'm going to say this with bias and I'm already uncomfortable how much I've said my company's name because it's been but we think what we've made because our founders are literally the world leading experts in diamond base quantum computing that we have the best emulator and that's the thing that makes us able to work with our commercial partners that gives the company stability so we're not just reliant on investors which is a really strong position to be in. Having said that as we evolve the SDK is already really useful for the community and we have been granting some access to the emulator to work with partly why I'm doing experiments like this is feeling like should we make a user group that gets early access to the emulator would that be something that people would find value in their career because you don't have to be with us if there was thousands of people working on diamond and V based quantum computing out there even if they never use our product that's good for us too because in the open source community we're all sharing the software and especially the papers we're looking at what everyone's research there's a chat channel in the company and every day we're looking at everyone's white papers and it's a thrilling feeling long answer to say yes really good question I'll just repeat that for anyone who might not have heard what are we looking for for developers that come into a company like ours or maybe IBM or et cetera what's great about that is the early era it was physics PhDs and this infuriates me that someone can have two PhDs and just like I'm going to learn Python in a weekend and be a master at it I have imposter syndrome every day talk about being humbled what's great now is we're in an era where say there's a UI being built for our open source stuff don't need to know any physics you need to know something harder called JavaScript in my opinion but essentially if you have a little bit of Python a little bit of JavaScript then you're qualified same for dev role the roles that we take for granted outside say fang type roles or elsewhere are now popping up in our space I'll give a shout out to a company I really like in Australia called Q-Control some of the best marketing I've seen but they're looking for UI designers they have a whole product that's an LMS like an online learning system their customer is like military et cetera it's quite a good way actually to learn quantum personally lean towards the less structured learning but for them like they're always looking for product managers, marketing people designers, developers just coming in that can work front end what's great though is if I sort of extrapolate my Red Hat experience once you come in it's like I'm just going to work on the front end of something and then all of a sudden you get exposed these other things like oh that's an interesting API what's happening on the back end there oh okay so how do you actually paralyze what does that mean and so on so again long long answer say all the entry level roles that we know elsewhere are now becoming valid in the quantum space the cool thing that I'll put is a teaser I love the fact like the team that I came through there's 12 engineers nearly all of them are physics PhDs humble sighted like crazy so many papers out there and yet I learn so much from them every day they're the ones telling me like oh I never knew that you could automate this or mark on or something that I'm bringing in and that exchange of knowledge is again it's thrilling and I haven't felt that in years had that at Red Hat I didn't have that other bigger orgs where I just felt like a cog so whatever skills you bring now's the time that they're really valid any other hi there great talk I'm I work for the company behind Majorna that other particle I'm surprised you didn't take a crack at them what's interesting about I'm a product manager so what's interesting about the use cases that you projected was not what I would have thought about from a quantum computing perspective from where I said I see it being pluggable easily into a cloud back end but what you showed me just kind of intrigued me where you put up a desktop like you ever think that that's going to happen in parallel or that's like a way future state of affairs that you're just enticing us into really really good question actually so I love this to the the banter or the the sharing of opinions even within product managers in the industry what's unique and I won't use brands here what's unique in one position some of the early well well funded venture back to quantum companies some that raised a spack if you're familiar with this this vehicle that was popular for a while how to get on the stock market without actually really owning your stripes that hasn't gone well for them a very big ones at risk of being delisted our heart goes out to them because these are our colleagues basically getting laid off and you can't even really blame the leadership team on this it's just the industry the problem is it looks bad for the rest of us so what companies like ours try to do is remain lean and find use cases than aren't because it was and if I was being a little cheeky I'd say it was obvious to try to say quantum computing in the cloud because you just look at EC2 you walk in the room on Sandhill Road pitch investors and say we will be the Amazon AWS of quantum computing compelling pitch hasn't worked I can say personally my own bias I would rather crawl over broken glass than try to get quantum computing working in the cloud because not only are you trying it's very traumatic of me but not only are you trying to get quantum computing to work now you're trying to get it to work to scale to federate to somehow have the front end like all that other stuff you have to build it just hasn't worked D-Wave and other companies have done great jobs but here we are a decade in and the bet that they took hasn't moved quantum computing forward it's just gotten them stuck in trying to compete with EC2 and Amazon AWS not a good battle to be in I'll say I love Amazon to pieces Amazon's tactic though is the one we're all wary of in a way the same way that open source has been this conversation around okay when these cloud vendors that have economies of scale use our things how do we feel about that it's valid in the GPL but how do we feel about that so we're avoiding that conversation what we've done by going into small form factor mass paralyzation and aiming towards like joking the IQC the integrated quantum chip is that our devices aren't trying to be the massive super powered ones the million qubits which will be something that breaks RSA a number large in that sake of argument IBM and Google are going into that range of supremacy we're going into a range of quantum utility where our pieces I said you can plug and play immediately if you've ever been into a data center they're noisy there's a lot of stuff happening to get something working at a small form factor that reliably works there now without super cooling without crazy lasers without trapped ions without anything fancy it's just the use of diamonds how we can have this diamond MV space has been really exciting and it's working so our products will be used on satellites our products will be used in cars our products will be used in mining our products will be used in finance it's just a case of which use case for we as an organization gets us through this cycle to get through solving the problems of noise etc now that's a hypothesis and I want to be clear with that it might not be possible what we're trying to do to get the scale we're trying to get the same way every other vendor has something that might not be possible personally as a product leader with the capital we have we're really solving the real problem of customers that want to buy the real units we've now proven work in the real world then having this kind of beautiful science fiction experience and then saying but in the cloud which just doesn't work right now if it does that's really exciting I can't wait to see that day but again we won't be competitors in that space the same way that a company that makes a mobile phone is not a competitor with Amazon's EC2 so long winded answer that I feel you bro hope we can be friends but definitely different use cases and I was fudging things into a kind of a simpler story but I know you've got a lot more nuance than perhaps what I showed there how do you feel about that does any of that feel like a real answer to you kind of sort of which is very quantum sir okay if there's no more questions I'd just like to say a quick thank you to our sponsors and if it wasn't for them none of us would be sitting here so thank you thank you sponsors