 Live from Bahrain, it's theCUBE. Covering AWS Summit Bahrain. Brought to you by Amazon Web Services. Okay, welcome back everyone. We're here live with theCUBE here at Bahrain for exclusive coverage for AWS Summit and the opening in early 2019. Just announced previously a few weeks ago. Amazon's opening a region here in the Middle East. It's going to be super impactful in the sense of entrepreneurship, business coming together. I'm John Furrier, we have two guests here. Benos Kanarath, who's the AVP head of cloud at Data Science, engineer at Mindtree Global Company and Snehal Zavri, server delivery manager of Computer World here in Bahrain, partnering. Guys, welcome to theCUBE. Thanks for coming. Thank you, thank you Jeff. So, talk about Mindtree first. What do you guys do? Cause you now are doing business here. The cloud's here, not new to you guys, but this is an interesting time. It's extremely interesting time. So, we've been doing cloud for 10 years. So, we do a lot of digital transformation work. And it's a great time that the government of Bahrain has really decided to go all digital. And I think this is a great, great time for us to be really engaged and we're very happy to be engaged with the Computer World. And what do you guys do? What's your main fraud? You're doing data science, big data analytics, cloud DevOps? Yes, that's right. So, to give you a sense, if you look at India as a country, so the core citizen identity for India, for all the governance initiatives, which you could say either it's a big data, the data science piece, the entire piece is actually done by us. So, what that really gives is, gives identity to citizens and is the base for all governance initiatives going forward. So, building systems like that, where truly touching the lives of folks through digital transformation, where it's fundamentally about cloud. It's a big part of data. And really about how do you drive insights to make this happen is something that we are really working towards. So globally, we work with all the two, global 2000 companies doing substantial work. So, the role of Jade is a big advantage for Bahrain. They're going to make that a center of advantage. GDPR, it's a nightmare. One knows how bad that is and you're living in Europe. People have stopped investing in some cases because of the requirements. So, there's some data problems that are hard to solve. Easy to say, hey, let's create data sovereignty. Let's protect consumers. Sounds good, but is a hard technical problem. Most people don't even know where their data is. Never mind removing, having all these things happen. But, the cloud is an opportunity. So Bahrain has identified data as a major advantage. Your reaction to that? Viable? Will they do it? How will they do it? Your thoughts? So, I think having a region here is the first step. And I think the Data Protection Act that has really been launched, I think used the firm legal foundations to do that. Once you get on to that, after that, the technology pieces of how to put together, you're exactly right. Cloud is a great way to start, get the data together, design the right foundations to put that together. So, I think it is just the right foundation for anything to start. They should give a hall pass for everyone prior to cloud. I know guys like doing storage. Wait a minute, where's that data? Because storage is hard. If you're provisioning storage. So, incredibly more hard in GDPR is the right to forget. So, once somebody says forget me, then going back to all the storages and removing information is even more difficult. Snail, talk about your role with MindTree, in Bahrain, Amazon. How do you feel about this? Great, I think I would love to answer this question. So, first of all, we as a computer world, we are three decade old company, more than three decade. And we have legacy. We started with traditional data center and then moved ourselves to virtualizes and to public cloud, private cloud to public cloud. And from there, we have moved ourselves to digital transformation. Although it is a big buzz word today. But then, we actually doesn't like disruption. We want people not to be a victim of the disruption. So, we always do that. That we always innovate ourself and keep a pace with industries, where industries goes. Now, as Bahrain is a company, when government of Bahrain has chosen AWS, a very strong platform. Now, what is missing is the best innovative solutions. You need skills, resources, knowledge to actually leverage this platform, which is chosen by government of Bahrain. So, I think as a strategic alliance is must. And we have chosen MindTree, looking at their global presence, their IP. And we would like Bahrain customers, especially in the public sector and non-public sector, leverage their expertise as working with computer world. So, this is all about, we as in computer world, what we do. And with respect to this government of Bahrain initiative, I think we as in, we are not citizen, but as in residence of Bahrain, it is really a proud for us that this is not a data center or a region for Bahrain. It is a regional data center. We have to definitely look into them. So, that's- That's a great opportunity. And the thing I want to point out is this big demand from government to move faster, because they're slow generally. But in Bahrain, they're fast compared to other governments, but the private sector is where the action's going to be with entrepreneurship. So, I got to ask you guys question around cloud native. Yes. How do you guys see cloud native architectures? Because you got Amazon's cloud native. Got it. This hybrid cloud, sure, I can get that, but cloud native is what everyone's going to be using. Perfect. So, before he starts from my side, I will go to the foundation and then I think he will take on from there. So, very great question. So, we see cloud journey in four different phases. The first is migration, which might be the first step, which might not be. But that migration doesn't solve any purpose. We have to move beyond. So, that's where the optimization phase comes. Whatever you have hosted on cloud, how you can optimize it. Maybe one of the example is you can move your database as an infrastructure to the RDS or any other services and so on. From there is the innovative solutions, what you have to think beyond. Whatever you have today, do it better, do it fast, and help, it should extend to the smart city concept or smart governance concept or something which is beyond the normal data center what can deliver. So, this is how we visualize. And from there is the time where you have to start developing native applications, cloud native. You should not think traditionally by hosting and then migrating. You change your mindset, start thinking cloud and living cloud. That's where we are and that's where I think they are. You got to jump in. You don't want to do a little bit of cloud. You got to go all in. Because cloud operations is what everyone will end up doing. Exactly, absolutely. Yeah, so globally any application that you're working today, I think fundamentally we have to think about how it runs in the cloud. So, it's inevitable that any new architectures that we do today are fundamentally cloud native. Whether those are containers or serverless applications. What's the consequence for people watching that they don't do cloud native because this is super important. Smart money, smart entrepreneurs and smart engineers and smart business people are doing cloud native because there are specific things that they benefit from. Yes. What are the consequences of they don't do cloud native? So, I think more than consequences, Bahrain has a great opportunity to leapfrog. Because in many places you have decide somewhere, you start with a legacy, then you kind of optimize. And today when you speak about and you're starting applications fresh, I think if you're directly starting on cloud native, the overall operational efficiency of how you build your applications to be more self-feeling. Starting fresh and leapfrogging, I think is a great opportunity that Bahrain really has. And certainly one of the consequences might be data impact. Because if you put everything in the cloud, if you're thinking cloud, you're thinking horizontally scalable. You're thinking asynchronous. You're thinking parallel. You're thinking auto scaling. Containers, microservices. Fundamentally, service meshes. They're thinking about data discovery because you talked about GDPR and the point of resident data. So, how do you apply machine learning to really understand the quality of data? How do you discover the right information? And then really expose that to the different places. Do you think machine learning is a great weapon against GDPR or helps GDPR? It helps identify, classify and identify the information. And even when you're sharing that information, it's a great way for you to actually get a sense of where is the classification. To do it humanly is not possible. You're a programmer too. Yes, you're a programmer too. That's the AI that could help you. That's where AI comes. And the second big piece of how the government of Bahrain is really looking at it. When they liable with the FinTech companies and the banks, there's going to be a lot of APIs. And I think serverless programming with exposing APIs is just the right way for this collaboration to really happen. It's really easy. Makes it easy, makes it easy to try new things out and fail very, very quickly. If you think in terms of services and there's a collection of services, it's a simply API management. And then you got the future of orchestration with Kubernetes. Kubernetes, yes. And this is where you start to get into the state, stateless applications. That's where it gets a little bit difficult and some work to do there. But you can really have some fun with stateless. You can really have some fun with states and build some stuff up. And with ever increasing stability of the database in AWS, even the stateful applications are much more easier these days. Yeah, more work involved on the microservice side, especially across, yeah. Yes, that's right. Kubernetes has got some work to do. All right, final question. What do you think is the impact of Amazon coming to the region? In the short term, medium and long term, what do you think is the impact of Amazon's region? Not to go first? Yeah, definitely. So if you talk about the short term, first of all, this is a change of mindset, I'd say. And when government of Barin and the top, I mean, his highness is supporting this initiative. So the benefit is the lower cost, operation cost has to go down. See, this is not something at the one ministry or one enterprise level initiative. This is national level initiative. So end of the day when you consolidate 70, 80 ministries and you shut down the data center and host the data into AWS, then you are going to save a huge cost and that's what AWS is bound for. So with that strong commitment from the cost optimization, then you get the latest technologies. You don't need to keep spending money behind your upgrades and so on. That's fine. By as you go. By as you go. By as you go. Security, by the way, people always complain about security. Oh, cloud is never going to make it. I heard this right out of the gate. Security is more- In the cloud. In the cloud than it is on premise. We hear CSOs, chief security officers, saying my worst day of security in the clouds better than the best day on premises. Absolutely, that's true. And I think really in the short term, I think this is a statement of ambition. I think it really changes the complete mindset of the region itself in terms of wanting to have the cloud here becomes the region for all new businesses to come in. And I think given in the medium term, the number of banks that actually operate in this region, I think it's going to give a great fillip to really make this the key center of all Vintec companies going forward. I think the startup initiative with the presence of all the banks with a much more open government, I think is the right set of factors for more startups to come in, for more innovation to really drive in this region. And I think from a long-term perspective, it really sets a difference in terms of how things actually are going to change and move in this particular place. I think you're right. I think there's going to be some pull. Yes. And that pull is going to be multi-dimensional. Got it, got it. Economic, social, political, and then societal. And a change of mindset. And as Mr. Mohammad Alqad has mentioned in his keynote, during the keynote, the procurement process has reduced by 60%. That's unbelievable. You know, government with their own. It's going to create a whole new movement from the youth. It's going to be the summer of love, summer of cloud. Exactly. Because when the young people get a hold of the cloud. Yes. We're talking about young kids now. They've never provisioned Linux. Correct. They've never had a server under their desk. Yes. They've got new developers. Absolutely. Absolutely. What do you mean? What do you old guys have to do all this stuff? Exactly. They go right to machine learning. They go right to AI. They're like, no configuration, no rock fetches, no mundane tasks. Yes. They want it just to be elastic. Serverless is like. Serverless. They go right to serverless. And code nine is just the right way to go. Creativity will come from that speed of development. Creativity. So once that's set, he is setting it up. Yep. And two years down the line, you will see, Bahrain might be setting up a very right example for AWS to be given everywhere. Yo, what we're going to be doing? I mean, that's for sure. We're the old guys who are going to be the investors. We are all aligned. We are all aligned. That's a good deal. That's a good deal. There you are. We are not aligned absolutely with the government policies and we will commit and there is a success guarantee. I wish I was 18 again. What I know now, I'd be killing it in the cloud. Yep. We've been through the tough days. Guys, thanks so much for coming on, sharing your insights, great conversation. It's really about what's happening in innovation. It's about cloud computing. It's about scales, about new things. Certainly bring a lot of change and positive change with challenges as opportunities. Huge here for the first time. Bring in to you. Stay with us for more after this short break.