 Did he lie when she said that the Lord said not to even touch of the fruit? Whether she did or didn't doesn't even matter. Hey smart Christians welcome back Obviously the more we get closer to his return the more you're going to see some some bad teaching some false teachings Some that are intentional some are unintentional some because we're maybe doing too much thinking who knows but when you start messing with The reliability of the scriptures in one area Obviously you're going to have to deal with that same if you're going to be consistent You have to deal with the same Issue as to whether the scriptures are reliable or unreliable or how we should interpret it in other parts We'll go to that part in just a little bit. We'll cover it just a second But I want to talk about something that comes up and just came up recently as a matter of fact and for some It seems like it might be a small issue in Genesis 2 God tells Adam not to eat of the fruit So let's read it verse 15 Then the Lord God took the man to put him in the Garden of Eden to tend and to keep it And the Lord commanded the man saying of every tree of the garden you may freely eat But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat for in the day that you eat of it You shall surely die. Well that part we know the issue comes in when Satan encounters evil When even counter-satan in chapter 3 she says it but she says a little bit differently. She adds something Chapter 3 verse 2 and the woman said to the serpent we may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden But of the tree which is in the midst of the garden. God has said you shall not eat nor shall you touch it lest you die So here in lies the issue people have just come up with all sorts of issues or or Commentary as to what happened here because she's added in verse in this chapter Something that has not stated in chapter 2. So let me just say this first Here we are 2021 we're the 21st century and we feel as though we are really Close to arriving in terms in terms of being intellectually there We feel like we are smarter than our parents and our parents parents We feel like we're the best thing since sliced bread, right? What we forget sometimes is we weren't fair This was a text that was written not in the 21st century or in Western culture This is an Eastern text written thousands and thousands of years ago sometimes what we do Even in an honest attempt to understand the scriptures is we insert ourselves and how we would act or how we would read or How we would think or what we would say or what we would do right? The issue is we have no idea what it would even be like in that situation I mean think about it Could your parents even or your grandparents or great grandparents fathom what it would be like to be living in this culture Or you living in their culture, right? So what we do sometimes we insert ourselves to try to get a better understanding But sometimes we just can't do that It's just not possible and what we do is we insert ourselves in this and say that wait a second That's not what God said what Eve said. That's not what God said But let's think about something here for a second. Why is there a need or even a reason even think that Eve lied? What is a lie? A lie is a sin. Now, let me ask you a question think about this of All the people that we can ever think of All the characters in the Bible of everyone that's ever existed We know that Jesus has never sinned But taking him out of the equation Can you think of anyone else that has ever at any point in their life lived without sinning? Well, these two Adam and Eve they didn't finish their life sinless But they started off that way and up until this point before they eat of the fruit And I guess maybe as the desire comes in they had not sinned Here is a sinless woman stating To the author of confusion to the author of sin Stating to him you should not eat of it. Nor shall you touch it lest you die The touching part because it wasn't mentioned in chapter 2 Causes some issues. Well If because some added details were added into this Chapter well, then shouldn't chapter 2 cause you to not trust chapter 1 of Genesis since they're the same account But there's added detail in chapter 2 that happens from time to time But even more than that again, we're talking about someone at this point who has not sinned So why is there a need to believe that she's sinning now? Sinning is not an issue as a matter of fact if we read another account talking about this we're kind of Touching this issue. We don't see that this was the reason why she sinned So let's turn to uh, so what paul has to say when addressing timothy in first timothy chapter 2 14 He says and adam was not deceived but the woman being deceived fell into transgression Here's what it is Adam sinned adam willfully went against or did did the opposite of what god told him to do But it says that eve her issue was she was deceived Well, when was she deceived? Well, she was deceived by what satan tells her Afterwards obviously he plays onto some of her emotions and the desires She said that that she saw that the that the fruit was pleasant and good And so he plays onto that and builds off of that and so she's deceived But it doesn't say or anywhere else in the scripture that she sinned and saying that You should not touch the fruit Here's another reason why we know that she didn't lie Who's telling the story? moses is telling the story moses could have easily told us that she lied He tells us everywhere else as far as he has an opportunity to to tell us when he's writing the scriptures that she lied paul never brings it up. He could have said that also eve lied she sinned He doesn't he said that adam sinned that eve was deceived Jesus never says that uh, that eve lied And then more to the point who again is telling moses the story moses was not there in the beginning Who was there with adam? He who's the only person that could have told moses what was going on? god God is not someone who gives a wink and a nod to sin. And so had she lied that certainly would have been indicated there everything else is indicated so Clearly eve has not lied God has told them this How do we know god has told them this it doesn't say so specifically well Think about this How much time has passed between the time that god said you shall not eat of it in chapter 2 in chapter 3 How much time has passed does anybody know No, we don't know no one knows how much time has passed could it have been a day Could it have been weeks months years could have been we don't know But since we are in such a hurry to talk about or to place ourselves in This situation so now place yourself here and ask yourself this question Do you think god created adam and eve told them one or two things and then was silent Well, we know they had occasion to speak with god Why because we hear the voice of god walking through the garden After they've eaten and they hide so they're they're fully aware of who god is they've had interactions with god They know god And so it'd be hard to imagine That god spoke to them once or twice and that was it So it's likely that god I can't say definitively, but it's likely that god had spoken with him Not just on day one that that they were created or a few days after that point that god was not Involved in their lives god is involved god is involved in everyone else's life But on the first two people that he created he was not involved in their lives That makes no sense does it could be wrong, but I think that fits more than anything else that god had told her god had Shit sound like adam was the only one that spoke to god that eve didn't know who god was or had spoken to him And so I believe that she gave a correct account that you should not touch it either Now and it's interesting that satan did not say god did not say that you should not touch it Well, here's the other question. Here's the big question. Does it matter? It's not a salvation issue Or is it does this matter? Well, absolutely it matters. Why if you say that eve sin that eve lied before Then what you're doing is it's the very definition of isogesis. You are reading into the passage You are saying something that it doesn't say Well, kory when you say that god has probably spoken to eve before are you reading to the passage? You could say that but i'm not saying is though that she sinned which the bible doesn't say So since the bible doesn't say she sinned guess who else is not going to say she sinned at that point? Mia the bible didn't say she lied. I won't say she lied the bible gave a I think an accurate account of what she said and I think that she gave an accurate account of what god said It was a sinless woman who we've never met a sinless person before at that point She was a sinless woman and she gave an account of what god said That's all you have to do is take that fact But when you get into the habit of isogening when you read into something that you may feel or You take your understanding that's hard to do especially when we're reading into these texts that are older We don't understand the culture. We don't understand what's happening There are many passages that we do that too And if you can do it with this passage Well, why can't you do with other passages when you say? That this is what he meant or what she meant And some of you have seen my video about wheeling craig and there'll be more about him If you haven't seen those where I have this huge problem. I think he really ought to I've said I was I was blunt and I was clear and I meant to shut up and go home when you start isogening And not only you isogening a text but teaching others to do so as well What you're saying is I don't believe god that the way you convey this text the way that you Explained this was the proper way to the writer You said this the wrong way what you should have said was this This is how they would have understood this and they don't it assumes that your isogening assumes that there is a better way to relate the story That god could have done a better job in communicating this Now are there some passages that the translations could have been better sure But that's an issue with the translator of the text rather than the communicator of the text Remember the whole point of the bible is getting across a particular message not necessarily being verbatim But the idea across which is why sometimes you'll see a lot many times the new testament You'll see them quoting not the old testament Hebrew masoretic texts, but you'll see them quoting the the greek septuagint And sometimes you'll see the same account of something given different ways Look at the gospel the gospel accounts of the resurrection of jesus christ It's like if I say If I say it's 15 till 5 Or you say it's 445 we set the same thing a different way. Well, that's not that that's not an issue We're communicating the same thing But when someone says no what he really means is that we've only got 15 minutes left to live Or we find some deep spiritual meaning That's the wrong way to read scriptures. It's what we laid craig We laying craig is trying to do that's what anyone who reads into Whether eve sin prior to god saying she's sin has done And again, if you can do it here, you can do it when you get into the gospels You can do it when you get into paul's writing you we we certainly see when people when people go to the uh The book of revelation we see that we see that with other prophecies God is trying to speak to people who just aren't that bright. I know it comes as a shock We think that we are more there than we really are We think that we know something right and god has spoken to us about having this wisdom of our own And thinking more highly of ourselves when we ought to We still we still avoid that but we still think that we're hot stuff And so god is speaking to people who he calls sheep Sheep aren't very bright. Sheep are dumb He's speaking to us in a way that we would understand. So how would the writer have intended this to be understood And then how would the people at that time have understood it remember Since we think we're so much smarter than everyone else these people who Couldn't think themselves out of a wet paper bag. I guess how would they have understood it? Well They would have understood in a much better way than we do. That's for sure They took god literally at his word And I think that we would do ourselves a great favor to do the same thing And if we're going to be a teacher if we're going to teach a priest someone something that the scripture doesn't say You better be absolutely correct Because there's a greater and a more stricter judgment or condemnation against those who do it and do it the wrong way So let's just let the text say what it says If it doesn't make sense to you or that seems too fantastic or too fanciful Or it's not the way you would have done it fine If that's not the way you would have done it if that's the way you would have said it Then here's what you do become god create your own universe and then we'll just see how you do it But until then Just go with the word says amen