 Welcome to ToffeeTV, listen, lots being said this week about Jordan Pickford and the incident that happened on Saturday in the Mayside Barbie and quite frankly I am just fed up of it all now, I am just completely pissed off at the whole thing, right? And I just felt like we needed to just address it because it's just going on and on and on and people might say we're making it go on and on even more but we're not because I feel like it's important that. It's been very quiet on the evidence side, evidence has been quite dignified in the way they've done it, obviously they don't want to push the story anymore but we're sitting here on Wednesday and I'm still hearing stuff about this incident, right? And it's just absolutely, it's just nonsense, it's like a player has never been injured before on a football pitch and the column inches, that newspaper journalists and whoever else are getting out of this is just farcical and I just felt like it was important for us to just talk about it. Yeah, it's crazy really, you know, I don't think anyone is sitting here or any other Tony in there is defending the challenge from Pickford. I think everybody will look and say if they look it again and it was a red card we would have just gone, yeah he's late, he's caught him. Obviously the severity of the injury to Van Dijk means that it creates stories, of course it does, he's a top defender playing for the champions, it's going to create a story but it's the fact that every day it seems to be looking for a new angle on it and some of the most respected journalists, some of the stuff they've come out with quite frankly is incredible, it's incredible. You know, you'd expect it maybe Sunday and Monday at the latest and then we move forward but it isn't, it's still going on and you're getting the dragon everyone out of the woodwork to get involved in it and you're right, it's like players don't get injured, you know, players get injured all the time, it's a contact sport, you play it, you come off way sometimes, a lot of times you're going for that kind of challenge, Van Dijk will get up and it'll be not, he's got to be with it, he hasn't, this time it's caught him, unfortunately for him and it is, it's not like any footballer being off for a length of time but I've seen loads of people putting, you know, Van Dijk was involved in Gerard Dellefeuw's ACL, he's only just come back, Ben Mee put Wesley out for a Maston Villa, he's still not playing again, I haven't seen anything about Ben Mee going to prison or being banned for the length of time or getting sued or this and it just seems to be a total different level of reaction which doesn't fit in with what the level of reaction has been for any other injury. It seems to be a total different level of reality, never mind anything else, the reaction to it is absolutely pathetic, I'm sorry, it's pathetic and it's been continued now by Liverpool players, you should be embarrassed by the things they're saying, you know, Genie Wijnaldum in his press conference, it's embarrassing to talk about fellow professionals, the way he spoke about Everton players, you know, saying that, you know, this seems to happen with Everton, we play Everton, they go out and, what are you talking about man, what are you talking about, it's football, it's a rivalry right, it's a derby and it happens and it's been going on for years, this was a proper old fashioned derby and I, like you said, I don't sit here, you know, taking anything, any kind of satisfaction in the fact that Van Dijk got injured but what if Hamas Rodriguez was now sitting here with an injury after Vets of Van Dijk clattered him in the first minute, let him know he was on the pitch which, you know, led to, you know, a lot of people being very satisfied about that being, thinking that was funny, what about Mane taking down Mane, you know, off the ball, completely off the ball, that was not even, not looked at, what about Robinson, the scrappy dude, the new scrappy dude, took over from the other one, in the last minute, taking a woby out cynically, you know, last year in the... I haven't jumped into the back of Allen by the back. Well I was just about to come on to that but last year when he, when he seen Tom Davis on the floor and told, I'll just do a, you know, do a little wrestling move on his head and think it's funny, did the first, did the first all the time, did the first all the time to claim, to claim that, you know, they never, they've never done it, they've never wronged them, it's, it's, it's just an absolute cult, a cult of a football club, a cult of a, of a fan base, you think that, nothing, there's no wonder they want to go away and form their own league, why wouldn't they, why wouldn't they play against themselves if they could, honestly, and fill the ground, I think it was amazing, it, it's just, I'm honestly, the, the, the levels that it seems to be going to are just baffling all the time, like you said, I get their reaction. It was, it was, I said, you know, anyone who looked at my Twitter the last time will see that I, you know, for me, Pickford, what he did, just from our point of view was completely out of order, doing, you know, could have led to a penalty, could have led to a send-off, five minutes into a major side, Derby, when, when it'd been hyped all week that we were, we were like, you know, we were back and all this. So from that point of view, I was, I was fuming with them, you know, and it turned out to be a bad injury, and we, as Evertonians, have been on the, on the wrong side of a lot of bad injuries, and we can go back 12 months, Andre Gomez gets the one against, against Spurs, and, and what makes, what makes, and that, you look at that situation, this situation, and how, again, you look at agendas, and again, I'm not blaming, this one, I'm not blaming Liverpool for, or Liverpool fans for, but the agender on last year, when some done it on Andre Gomez, and it was suddenly that sun-needed protectant, sun-needed looking after it, and how, and after that, anyone at the time was, no, that I was fuming with that, Shane was calling me, putting their arm around the sun, I completely disagreed with that, because he, because he was completely in the wrong, and yeah, he was looking after it. That was a pre-meditated challenge, I'm not saying he thought I'll break Gomez's leg here, I'm not saying that, but it was pre-meditated and he knew what he was doing, he gave the ball away, we all seen him in the grand, he had a cobbon because he didn't get a foul, and he sprinted after Gomez, jumped through the air, and done him from behind, and yeah, reading any of the papers and everything the next day in the comments, was like, Gomez was in the rung, it was like all for sun, and so much so that the red car cop, he said, yeah, which was bizarre, he'd run after him and jump through the air and injured the player, it was absolutely bizarre, and that's, that's the thing that's annoyed me, it's, listen, Liverpool fans will be upset, of course they will, and you'll get... But they're so upset that today, today they're putting death threats on Jordan Pickford's misses, and let's qualify it right, there'll be a portion of them who are like that, who are strange, who feel. I can't get me out there, there aren't people who can't separate football from life, these are millionaires that don't care, they don't mind, I can care about Liverpool fans, he's playing, plays for them, wears the shirt, he'll give his best, and then he goes home, he's a millionaire, when he finishes he'll move on, and I understand we've all got an attack, we love our club, and we love the thing, but to make it, to throw threats on them, throw death threats, because of a game of football, there's a thing going on, the Van Dyke challenge on Treesh Merton's last year in the Champions League, and he could have snapped his ankle, and his ankle's gone the wrong way, he showed Van Dyke and he was like, it's footy, it happens, put a tackle in, Miss Tannick, exactly the same, I don't want to see any, but neither of us are sat here, saying that Pickford there was nothing wrong with the challenge, because there was. But that's what we're talking about, that's what we're talking about, we're not talking about the injuries, we're talking about the reaction to it, we're talking about how the media in the last 72 hours have completely, you know, have become, you know, exactly, you've got Graeme Sunes on Sunday, some of the things he's coming out with, and Jamie Carragher, putting them right, you've got Danny Murphy, seething on TV on Sunday night, because he couldn't talk about it, and then Monday morning, get his full chance to talk about it on radio, and it's like throwing all kinds of words on, you've got, what radio was it? The toky sporty type one. Can he, you know, because the sun on then, can he, can he apparently can, apparently can, apparently can, and then you've got, then you've got people like John Cross in the Mirror saying, well, this could happen, and it's all there is, he's just going, he could, he could get into further trouble, I mean, he probably won't, but he could, he could, oh, just throw the, just throw the petrol on him, and then, oh, we, we thought we'd speak to Keith Ackett, because he has this mad reaction review on this, and he thinks he should be sued. Ah, the virus, Liverpool, I'd go and sue the player. When, when does that happen? When does that happen? When does any other challenge you've ever seen lead to an ex-referee, or an ex-player, saying this should be taken further, this should be taken further? You've got, you know, you've got Paul Mason on Sky Sports, coming out with, saying Moise, Moise Keane, something of that, something of that stamp on, but it's like, oh, oh, he's on love forever, it's like, and then it's, and then you get, and then you've got, you've got other people in the media who are, again, people who should know better, Henry Wintour's a fantastic journalist, so, you know, and he's throwing, he's throwing it on there as well. You've got, you've got, and it's, then finally you've got, as I said, you've got Liverpool players in the press conference saying, oh, they haven't, we haven't slept, and we feel really bad, I understand that, but when you should, when you start saying things, you know, Everton players, that's what you, and then suddenly, what happens now is, Everton suddenly will have this reputation that did this terribly dirty side where, if you look at the fair play table, it doesn't say that at all, Everton in the top eight, Everton in the top eight, you know, okay, he's got a way with one, but Rich Arleson didn't get away with it, he got a red card, the same way that, rightly so, the same way that Dunk got a red card on Sunday for a horrendous tackle, but he got, he got the punishment, and Rich Arleson got the punishment for what was a terrible, terrible tackle, you know, on Tiago, which we all know is a terrible tackle, and we're sitting here going, we're going to miss you for three, three matches, it was a stupid thing that you should never have done. Shouldn't have endangered their play out, and shouldn't have gone self-centred off, because we're about, we're about to... But it's just this, it's just this ramping up of it every day, and I don't know whether it'll stop today, because, because Liverpool are playing, and because there's something else, but if Liverpool, you know, don't win this game, and it's, they start saying, oh, it's defense of frailties, and, you know, it's because he's not here, then, again, it's that, to me, it's just, it's, it's just a complete witch hunt, for something that we can all see, it's all there. To be fair, if he would have been retrospectively banned on Monday, if the FI would have come out PDM out, or whoever makes that decision, would have come out and said, he's banned for three games, because we've looked at it again, and he should have been red carded. Do you think he'd have calmed down a bit? I don't know! Because, I think, I've seen when Aldams quotes, which were atrocious from a professional footballer, absolutely atrocious, to say, make those calls. Especially, you know, we see things from one side, but Liverpool have been just as guilty of ever have put nasty tackles in, in Derby's over the last few years. They have clop in sights, that gets them ready for that. Everton do the same, it's the Derby maths. But he was saying things like, you know, the stupidity of those players and things like that, but it's always the same in these Derby's. He shouldn't, as a professional footballer, shouldn't be saying that. I get that, they're upset because the team mate, didn't you, because you're that, you know what I mean, but everyone, every team loses a big player through an injury because it's football. They let, could have gone down. Who's to say that Wesley wouldn't have scored big goals for them last season, and they got, they were eight minutes from being relegated. No one went on about Ben Mee, did they? Ben Mee's put a tackle in, the game's gone. We lost Shen Towson in the training session through a challenge. Now, he had an agreement in place to go to the Palace with £20 million. We lost Seamus Coleman at the peak, at his absolute peak, and you know, people were annoyed with the guy, don't they? And he was absolutely horrendous what he did to Seamus. But no one was, we weren't send the death threats to him or anything like that. We lost James McCarty, you know. He was actually down a lot. No, no, but what I was going to say is, we didn't go. But he never came back for us. Yeah, he never came back for us, but we weren't at the time, we understood that it was... Balasi was shoved onto his wrong landed. He's never come back. We've got, we know, but we're... Andre Gomez off the same player. Go back to your question about whether he'd been punished. Sorry, that was what I went off on a tangent. That's what I mean when Alden, he said, and he wasn't punished. But that's not ever his fault. No one know what I'm saying, so I just wonder if... No, it may be, but it might have been slightly different. Then why is all this stuff about him? Well, you should sue him then. Well, no, no, they decided that what he did wasn't weird. Now, if you want to go, same with the offside, if you want to go and talk about the rule, go and talk about the rule all day. Go and have a discussion with the people who make the rules. Don't put it on the player. Things like that happen all the time in football. Players, you know, what the Charleston did, going back to that, I've seen the Charleston do that a couple of times and people jump out the way. Now, does that make it any better or any worse? No, the player's still done that, but I've seen other players do that. Where you go, well, if he hadn't jumped out of that, you know, he would have been very, very lucky, the player. It happens in football. It is the blood rushes to the edge. Silly things happen all the time in football. We see it all the time, all the time, and yet this incident has been treated like it's the first time it's ever, ever happened. And Fijer van Dijk's the only player ever to get injured and he's the only team who's ever been affected by it. And it's just now, I hope, I'm open. You know, this is going to be something that hopefully we are the end, that this comes through and end this week, but I don't think it will be. And I'll be very interested to see on Sunday how ever players are treated, because we've seen it before where managers or whoever decide that they want to create a narrative about a player or a team, and suddenly that sticks and then that starts following them round. But for one game, it really shouldn't, because everything hasn't been involved in any other real incidents this season. You've had five bookings, I think, this season, I think Le Pew have had more. Actually, Le Pew have had six. We've obviously had the right card, which was the right decision. He should have been sent off. But Andy Robertson should have been sent off. In my opinion. Right, the analysis was worse, because he jumped in, but Robertson could have snapped Alanser Killies, and it would have been awful. You know, he's fallen. It's whatever the narrative is. It's the, like you said, the decision wasn't Job and Pickford's to me, whether he stayed on the pitch or he didn't. He was, he made the wrong decision. He hesitated and couldn't. Robert Green explained the brilliant thing. I mean, what I would say is, Robert Green, he finally got someone on it who understands. Well, it makes you feel like I've seen one on Sunday. David Priest, though, who's on Twitter, he didn't ask me to win, but David Priest explained it and was like, he hasn't gone to deliberately hate him. Goalies make themselves, he put Tommy, nothing, everything, diving out of Slatan and missing him by that. Motivated the court in me, the Slatan had been done. It's just, it's not, you know what? The fans are one thing, and you can't, you can't go, yeah, or, not the death threat, obviously, but the ones who were upset, but the journalists, and the waters, there's a couple in this city who know, and it's almost like this thing of, they want to stare at the pot. Oh, listen, they want it in sight. The Liverpool Echo and the, and this book of condolences, which they took down, water load on my ass, absolutely pathetic, pathetic, send the oil, send your messages to Vigil, be a, be a yourself. And again, not, not pun, not pun, because I have no idea the Liverpool Jain or Saab, they're like, all the good ones left, the way that paper's gone. But one of them, who left, does like to stare the pot. But of course he does, because he's, because he's full. It's a vibe, wouldn't you? Because he's full. I mean, why would you, why would you in this city, why are you trying to divide? But the Echo itself, as a newspaper, it's a big smile, it's a big smile the way they cover, the cover of the two teams, and we own that, we call it that, the reason why we call it the Red Echo, but it's a big smile the way they cover, but where's that come from, because that can't be a journalist decision, can it? It can't be. If you've got, we know, like, it's editorial. He's not going to go don't give up on any coverage, is he? No, it's editorial, of course, as we all know, it comes from the idea, it comes from clickbait, we know where it comes from, it comes from the idea of, it comes from clickbait, purely clickbait, Liverpool fans, well, because it's a pure online presence anymore, it's, you know, physical newspaper, dying on their arse, it's a, it's a, it's, so they want clicks, of course, I fully understand that, I fully understand that, but it's the idea of thinking that, like, a book of, a book of condolence, a book of condolence for a footballer who got injured, do me a favour, that is, that goes beyond, that goes beyond. They took it down. Yeah, they got, took it down, because they got completely shamed by how pathetic and... It wasn't, it wasn't, I believe it was the whole country as well, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't, it was everywhere, because some, like, some very large, you know, football, Twitter accounts got all there, and just bull stuffy, because it's pathetic, again, on this page. Well, I've seen a lot of Villa fans who were just like, you know, we didn't get any of this from Wesley, they weren't, and that was a Ben Meese challenge, wasn't very good, injured them, he's not played, still hasn't played, like, I think it was 11 months ago or something, and, that's the thing, you see, if the, Mike, like I said, the fans think, if it was us, we'd be gutted, mum, we'd be lost in an important play, and dad, we'd be fuming, you would be, I get that, I get that, the death threat thing, I'll never understand that's bizarre. But the people who should know better, and the people that, the reactions aren't the same, if they're being the same with Gomez, son, you get sued, you're at a disgrace, you're this, you're that, you're this, you're that, all the papers every day, for three or four days, I'd be going, we should be expecting this, because they do it to everyone who gets a ban injury. They don't! No. They don't, that's where the problem is, the problem, I'm not saying they should, because I don't think they should be chasing footballers down, Jordan Pickford, in this incident, hasn't thought, I'm going to go and do him, it's five minutes going to Darby, I'll probably be red carded, it'll be a penalty, we'll be down to ten then, tune him down after five minutes, boss, that's what I'll do. As he, he's hesitated, he's gone to make himself big, he's caught him with his, his legs didn't even catch him, his body caught him, and the weight, has ended up in him, bandai. Players do these things, like you say, it's, it happens in, in contract sport, you'll go in for 100 tackles, and 99 times out of the 100, you'll get up, not normally, not one time, will be the one that injures you, they know this place, they get injured in training, you know what I mean, and it's unfortunate, and it's bad, and not, not entirely, but the, the thing for a contract sport, when you've got good general, who, who you thought might have been good generalist, and then you've got, you know, talk sport jumping on it, and you've got sky load on it, and you've got, soon as he was an animal, of a footballer, and don't, he can train rather than say, whatever, different generate, but what does, hang on, what difference does that make? It's not as if, over 30 years, we've evolved into steel legs, where we don't get injuries, is it? He was going around stamping on people, doing people's knees, and then rolling around, like he'd been eight, he was a dog, and that, the hypocrisy of him, the hypocrisy of Alan Shearer, who booted Neil Lennon in the face, booted him, and because he threatened not to play for England again, he FI just brushed her under the carpet, and he was a dog Shearer as well, and he comes out as if he never ever put a tackling wrong on anyone. It's embarrassing. I'm not worried that he'd have read Van Nessleroi as well. He's just a dog, isn't he? And that, the thing is that these people just love it, they love it. And if you, just to finally as well, if you're just talking purely about the decision, not to give them, not to send them off as well, where was all this, when Sheffield United scored the gold, at Aston Villa last season, which could have, a very, very long time, a very, very long time, a very long time, a very, very long time, a very, very long time, a very, very long time, a very, very long time, eventually if relegated, Aston Villa would have stayed up by. Where was all that? It was all like, oh, oh, you know, Vier has not woken today, or like, you know, why hasn't the guy upstairs took it? Oh, well, you know, one of those things, it's like, no one said anything, no one, no one wanted, no one was going, no one was going. Well, he didn't know what was going on. No one came. And he didn't go, no one was going on. They interpreted the rules wrong on all of these things. Well, that, I mean, the daily veil, put a story out, and then sure I was late, put a different one out, to contradict it. And three hours later, they got battered away, and it's like, oh, well, no one was saying that, you know, at the end of the season, bonus should sue the VAR or whoever, because, you know, that's been relegated. They got down by a point. I love what they're going. Exactly. So, you know, that's what it is. It's almost narratives. It's just pure narrative, and it's just pathetic. And it's been, as I said, the media of, of, of, I just hope ever, inflamed it. I hope ever, and I've marked the card of a few of these. Yeah. I really do. And just, I take them down, or just ban them, and just go, shall we, you know, coming in mate, end off. And if they go, why, say, because of this? Yeah. You know what I mean? Or let them sit down with Pickford, because I would, I'd be requesting them, I'd be requesting a meeting with them, all of us, Joven Pickford, to say, because let's be honest, if anything happens to Joven Pickford, or his family, it's on these journalists. Every one of them, every one of them, pleading ones in this city will be culpable for it. And I know that they're looking at the legal aspect of it, and they so they should, because it's, there's one thing reporting what actually happened at the time, and making a decision on it, it's another to keep stringing it a long day after day, which is what they're doing. And it's classic, listen, we're seeing it on a wider level in this country, the people dividing, people inciting from the government, trying to do it in the way the papers shape people. And these are doing it on a local level. I imagine being a local journalist from this city, and yet you're inciting one set of people against another in the same city, in the middle of a pandemic, at a time when people are feeling bad anyway, and you're just inciting it by turning it and putting little things in. And he knows what he's doing, and we all know we're talking, you're right for the act, you're right for the act. Nobody's one of them, but there's others who will do it, and they all do it, and you should not be inciting people. We're in this city, and we're all, we were divided by our colours, but we're all in the same city, and we all like, there's a lot of like-minded people, and yet why you want to create this hatred, hatred, to the point where you're stoking it up, stoking up people's emotions. I just think it's totally and utterly irresponsible. They should have reported it suddenly, put it, put all this point of the way with the interview on Monday, and then moved on to the thing, because Liverpool will deal with it, they're all going to deal with it. So of course, writing a story about Wetzel van Dijk, and every day, isn't helping Wetzel van Dijk, his focus will now be getting fit again, as Liverpool's with, and for Liverpool Football Club, it's your yeag and clock, it'll be good if he hasn't got his best player, but you know, best defender, but his focus is Ajax, and then we'll be Sheffield United at the weekend in a game. What happens if, on Saturday night, Jordan Henderson, in just one of the Sheffield United players, you know, a late challenge, he's got committed, late challenge, the lad's out for the season, will we see the same? Don't think so. Yeah, that's where the, that's where the disparity comes. That's it. Let us know your thoughts in the comments. It's been just a pathetic few days for certain people who've just, just looked like amateurs, let's be honest. And have, yeah, caused a lot of grief. So let us know your thoughts in the comments on it. What are you, what are you thoughts on what's been happening regarding Jordan Pickford? There you go. Give this video a like, subscribe if you haven't already, and if you want more great videos, daily live videos, join us over on Patreon. The link is in the description. See you later.