 Here's your fit tip today. I got one for you. If you are looking to lose weight. Don't follow the Will Smith approach That's gonna rub some people the wrong way it is. You know why he's so likable and I love I want to put a disclaimer. I fucking love. Well, I don't know him right But his persona and I actually watched this whole series. I don't know if you guys watch the YouTube I watch the most yeah, okay. Yeah First one that's what anytime we have homework gets what he does I should know should just sent him over the clinic notes Five kids man, you know, you know, it was actually I actually got emotional a couple times and it was so it was so good like he is so Talented and authentic and just I don't know. He's up there with probably one of one of my favorite people as far as you Know famous, but it always blows my mind someone of his caliber the money He's got he's got a trainer who he's had for like nine years and just the advice and the stuff They're doing a shit. Yeah, and what I don't know is this so disclaimer. I Don't know if there is this because what I want to be careful of is like, you know What if I was hired to do something like this, right? They said hey, Adam Will Smith wants you to be his Yeah, you get on the clock. He has a very specific goal of losing this way Well, yeah, so what I don't what I don't know is if he actually does have a really intelligent trainer Who's giving him better advice off off camera or maybe it was even on camera, but they're like, that's not juicy for TV Yeah, you know, we need to drum and because it does have that feel of they they're trying to dramatize the pound every week That he's got to lose so I in the first episode spoiler alert He so I don't watch the second or third yet But the first one at the end of the first week he gains a pound Yeah, and he's really crapped out about it and I thought that was a great opportunity To talk about what often happens in the first week, especially if you're lifting weights So that's if you're a man So that's what I'm alluding to right now what I don't know is you know, did his trainer off air But dude don't even trip. You probably built a little bit of muscle. You're probably water like it's not why not body fat test This is scale, right? So you don't see any of that in the video all you see is him like beat up now I don't think he got that advice from his trainer because you if you watch the next episode His response was fasting. Mm-hmm. So then he goes right into he goes into eating like boiled eggs and vegetables Well, he did that without his trainer's knowledge, right? Right. He didn't get that advice from and I don't I don't think his trainer would advise it but that also too like I feel like if if uh, if I was Coaching him like sal said, uh, I would have used that opportunity to then say hey, bro Don't trip like this is totally normal in the first week. Sometimes you're we're gonna see a little bit of Especially when you saw how hard he was weight training. I mean he wasn't training at all Then all of a sudden he's weight training like that. Okay, you're talking. Okay, will smith who in the past several times has had a lot More muscle on his body. He's got muscle memory. He played. Uh, I am legend He was muscular, right when he was Muhammad Ali very muscular So he's got muscle memory Stopped working out gained a bunch of body fat for his uh, his role in uh king or whatever The where he was serena williams played that right father So if you're gonna look if you're a man with that kind of muscle memory He's obviously got some athletic ability because he's got a natural build You're I would have told him ahead of time in the first week or two The scales probably not gonna change or might go up a little bit But your body fat's going down while your muscles going up and we're gonna test body Knowing his past and his body type I actually the goal even if our goal was because their main objective was lose 20 pounds in 20 weeks Which is very doable Induble even the healthy way But I actually would have said the first couple weeks. I don't really give a shit I want to go up if anything. Yep. Let's build right now. I wouldn't even focus on the scale at all. Yeah Yeah, let's build the first like four or five weeks Let's build the metabolism. Let's build some muscle and then we could really crank it up to and the So their approach is bad. I mean they they start them off right away on like Five to seven days of cardio in addition to his in in addition to his weight training The intensity is is there training to failure. You see multiple times. He's you know, last rep he could squeeze out So I guess where I don't from add a shape to that that's a really fast jump to train that way right away It didn't need to no, not only do you not need to but it's actually counterproductive right and that's the point I want to make is that you know Because even though you as you watch the whole journey go through he ends up I mean he looks pretty good towards the end Um, and he had good results uh overall if you're if you're all we're watching is a scale But I bet you if you watched the body fat percentage week over week You could have made a way better improvement in that short amount of time Well, people don't know this but let's say your 200 pounds and 15 percent body fat and you gain 10 pounds of muscle and you don't lose any body fat at all in terms of on the scale So you've lost no body fat. You've only gained 10 pounds of lean body mass Your body fat percentage has actually already dropped because you now have more lean body mass and your body fat Total is a smaller percentage of your all body weight overall. Yeah, so that's how percentages work for example If you know if a guy like my size let's say i'm i'm walking around it Let's say 9% body fat if you were to peel all the body fat off my body and put it on a 100 pound person They would automatically be twice have twice the body fat that I have because it's a percentage of body weight So the scale is um is not a great by itself. It's a terrible metric. It's not and it messes with you all the time And I only ever used it with clients if it if it also came with circumference measurements and body fat percentage measurements So I could get lean body mass and fat mass. Otherwise Like you know, it's actually expected if I were training will smith I would expect his weight to at the at the absolute least stay the same But probably go up because of all the muscle that he's gained and then they don't talk about in the beginning I don't know how they talk about this to the end if they do In that first week I would have said well, you're stronger. How's your stamina? How do you feel right instead of you so crapped out? Because there was lots of lessons in this thing. I mean they uh, they were trying they were being competitive with mild times Which was I think a terrible idea. They decided one day. They're gonna do a step challenge He gets so obsessive with the step challenge that he ends up like pulling a hammy and he couldn't even finish it the next day Yeah, uh, yeah, I have a setback. He's writing his memoir in the middle of all this So you had like incredible like stress and deadlines and stuff like that Yeah, and then like still cramming in like these 30 minute intense workouts in between because you had now You have to talk about the the brilliance though of what because like after I watched all of it And I kind of took a step back and went like Okay, let's take a forget the trainer and me that's like wants to pick apart all the things that I think I would have done different I mean, I I don't really even think that was the desired outcome here. I think that This was a a brilliant creative way to launch a book I exactly because the way they do it lots of drama attached to that's right every and every episode He's he's breaking down a chapter in the book So just like how jordan peterson launches his his like his 12 chapters and he gives you a little synopsis of what snippets Yeah, so he does that and then intertwines it into the storytelling of losing weight That was the goal. I thought that was for sure. It was you got to know that will smart enough to know that One of the most popular things on youtube are transformation videos He and he's one of the most famous people out there. You got to show the drama. You got to show the struggle You got to show the speed at which you make this happen. How hard it is That's what people will watch and he already got like an insane amount of attention when he posted that I don't know if it's on instagram or the dad bod thing. Yeah, the dad bod thing just went like crazy And so it's like, oh wow the response for that. I'm sure you know catapulted that idea Oh, well, I actually think he already had it. He already had it going. I think that was setting the table I think that he did the king richard thing. You got to know that he had the contract already for the book Well before all of this so the book was already planned to do it King richard thing comes out. He knows he puts on the most weight. He's ever put on his life and the light bulb goes off Oh, here we go. I know what I'm gonna do. I'm in the worst shape of my life I'm gonna get in the best shape of my I mean, I had a similar moment for myself when I decided to get back into fitness When I started to get back into fitness Yeah, it's very similar to I just so happened to be in the worst shape of my life and I went Oh, this is perfect. I'm gonna turn on social media for the first time ever Like I'm gonna show a transformation. I'm gonna like document the whole process so people can see it and that I had the same Say, but yeah, this is the challenge with uh fitness media if you have any Integrity is how do I get the attention so that I can deliver the right information? But you know, but also maintain my integrity That's very challenging to do because you're competing with People who are selling it in ways that are effective, which is the struggle and the you know The biggest loser approach and the crying and the hammering and I can't move and I'm so sore And then you you're like, okay, I know that that's not the right approach But the right approach is boring. I mean, let's be honest, right? If you did the right approach Well, that's why I would I know dude That's why it was not the drama enough when you said that oh, we could totally shoot a documentary like this and do it Better. It's like no, I don't agree. Well, so Thanks for bringing that up Here's what I think not not that we're gonna do this. We're not gonna do this But if we did I think it's there's enough awareness now around these transformation type videos and fitness entertainment That the approach would be I'm gonna get in the best shape of my life But I'm gonna do it the right way and then through the process you're pointing out Normally, this is what they show but this is how you're supposed to do it And then this is what I do and this is what you're not supposed to do To show how you really do it and then to show the results at the end where people go Oh, wow, it actually you would almost need I would think like two different Uh, like a case studies going on at the same time, right? Yeah, the comparison of how Hollywood kind of portrays it versus like It almost would have to be on a time lapse, right? You'd have to like super speed You know the longer approach in order to condense it down to something You know what's funny is that it's the the challenge and the the difficulty of it is part of the sex appeal when people watch it But people mistaken because everybody knows it's very challenging to transform your health and your fitness It's it is it's a challenging process But people mistaken. What part is challenging? They think the challenging part is can I withstand brutal destructive workouts and extremely restrictive diet for 20 weeks That's actually not the challenging part. The challenging part is can I make consistency? Yeah lifelong forever changes And that's what makes it really hard to be honest with you and I'll argue this all day long the 20 You know weak hammer my body restrict myself is actually easier So it is far easier in fact people do that all the time people lose weight all the time that way So you would just have to find a way to to present the real way. I just don't I don't think that exists I really don't I don't think it's I don't think it is sexy. I think it like there's parts in there where You know they they dramatize, you know him quitting and him like not wanting to show up the next To have like flaking on his thing because he's just like burnt out all this And they spin it in a way that it's like but the truth is and then yet they cut over to the therapist every once in a while Which the therapist is probably the most logical person of everybody that's in the in the documentary like she's like You know encouraging him to do what's best for him versus, you know, like what he's got to prove people or whatever But that's just it's not that's not sexy entertaining to be the truth is that the trainer who's meeting him seven days a week If my client who's been burning the candle will both ends if they're like man, I am burnt Yeah, I would what I tell him is like don't come or I'd say hey, why don't you come on this walk? Let's walk and let's let's process what you're going. Yeah, let's just talk. Let's just talk. Let's get you Yeah, which nobody wants to see that what they want to what they want to see is that he's got adversity And then he overcomes it and he pushes through in spite of it Right and because that's motivating and that will give you those those juices flowing when you when you watch How much does this conversation remind you of the first conversations that we had when we started the podcast We used to talk all the time about How are we going to impact if it was a big lofty goal? And we're maybe a bit narcissistic But we thought we would be able to do this and we said How are we going to be able to impact the fitness industry at large? And outsell In other words, you know reach more people than the other guys who are selling everything the wrong way But it's sexy. It's flashy. We have lots of conversations about this. Like we got to beat them at their own game They're saying lose 30 pounds in 30 days by take a pill. We're saying it'll take you two years to lose 30 Pounds, dude. It's like how do we do that? It brings it all back, right? Because it's entertaining like I was sucked in like and you you get into the drama of it And this is just the narrative that just keeps repeating itself because people See that and they're like, yeah, I can do that, you know, because it's almost like this this one hard push And then then we're there, you know, and that's it. And so that's a that's a message that just keeps You know perpetuating our industry. That's why I don't I mean one I don't know if it'll ever leave to I don't know if we could ever create something that does That is as appealing but done the right way because the right way isn't appealing. It's just not it's not sexy It's boring. It's slow It's got a lot when I would watch the biggest loser I would imagine like what it would really look like with a good trainer like oh my god I can't do this anymore. No, no, we need to stop. You're going too hard. Let's relax a little bit Oh, you lost too much weight this week. Let's back you off. The viewer would be like click This is boring Yeah, terrible You ever talked to like a police officer like a like an actual cop or an actual doctor About tv shows about like oh enforcement in hospitals. It's the same thing. Like we'd never pull a gun out that situation Oh, dude, it's like whether like that happens one percent of the time My buddy's like I have a buddy who's a cop and he's like dude He goes if if that was what it was like every single day like we would No way we would last he goes that happened like twice in my life That's a good point in an analogy there too because there are times when like you're down You're not motivated and you should persevere and and step up and go but it's like that's the 1% right? There's there's that a few times where you're having that self-talk or doubt or your discourage and you should overcome step up Let's do it But they play into that so much that they think that like every time you you run into that It's hard or you don't feel like doing it that you should like you got this overcome it, you know You know what two things about that stood out for me was that had nothing to do with fitness One was the way the therapist talked about How will smith used entertainment and humor How was this ultimate Protection mechanism right you missed what it got really good with that towards the the later shows Yeah, so I really like that because it is true With people that one way to protect themselves from being ridiculed or bullied Well, did you hear the story where it all started for him? No, so where it started for him and he's like tells the story It's very emotional there's like probably like three different Parts where I got really emotional on it and he tells a story of him and his siblings Standing in the doorway and watching his dad clock his mom to where blood was coming out of her mouth And he said that moment changed all the trajectory of all three of the kids lives and he said his brother was fight His sister was flight and he was uh entertained And it was all to you know, his brother would push back and fight his sister would flight run run from the situation His was distract just deflect. Yeah, right So just just by entertaining and being that and that that's when that was born So that was his character from very early on and that's and so he still is that guy today And he tells that whole story was you could tell and you could tell too when difficult things come up He gets funny. Yeah, right. It's like, oh, it's getting deep. Let's get funny And uh distract, you know, the situation or take him off boy He gets into his I really wanted you guys to get to the kids part because he seems like a great day I don't know him, right? He might be just a great actor But he seems like a great Jalen. Mm-hmm try to be try to get emancipated. Oh, wow. Yeah So there was a there was a struggle there. Oh, yeah, he said he had a struggle with all of them Yeah, his Jalen. Okay. So his oldest is uh, you know, will the third would they call him tray his his oldest? He admits that he was the most naive with him obviously because he was the first, right? So he was completely like didn't know what he was doing and learning And then Jalen is the second one where he's he's he calls himself, you know, will 2.0 Or he started a piece together But I mean that kid wanted to be emancipated his youngest one willow Is the one that he admits that will come up and it was she was she committed to a tour with him in Europe Where she would get out on stage with him. She wanted to perform us for that and after the first night She came to him and said Um, I'm done. I'm done daddy and he goes. Oh, no honey We still have a hole whatever to go and stuff like that and she goes don't no I don't want to do it anymore. I'm done and he's like, oh honey We we've committed to the to the next month of of doing this And he said the next morning she woke up and she shaved her head completely And he said that woke him up at that moment and he realized like that, you know He wasn't hearing her and what she was trying to say to him and then he took care of it But he said that like it completely changed his life at that at that moment But you're talking about the third kid and she's already I think like nine years old or so at that point that signal to hear That pulls at you man those those dad struggles. Oh, that's why I wanted you guys to listen to it because it was a I mean I got all emotional listening to him talk about his mistakes. You know how old she was when Yeah, like nine nine Yeah, and all the kids are all the and so and Jalen was His big moment of what after wanting to be emancipated from him was you remember when they did that movie together That flopped Like the The war the world won or the whatever the end of the world So he did that with his son And it flopped it was like his worst movie he ever did And that was the first one he did with his son and he's like He totally felt like he let his son down because he told his son everything to do in that And then his son took on the all the criticism that came And so that totally created a wedge between the two of them I don't know. I don't know why any parent would put that make put their kid On a stage in that way. Yeah, but what you mean? What if they want to bro if they look if you're if you're there everything So I I mean what are you gonna do when your kids grow up and they want to be on the podcast No, no, that's fine when they're older but at that age I don't know I remember being yeah You don't know because if you have because if you're young and talented and you've got talent already and you're begging I don't know if I would say no like especially if they're talented and they're wanting to follow in your path I don't know. It's tough. It's tough because here's the two scenarios one And this I think is the worst scenario They crush and are loved by everybody and they're nine and they're killing it And then at some point which happens all these child stars They lose that admiration that love which they've created an identity around what you're not going to be like you were when you're nine Forever now people forget about you And oh, I can't imagine what that would do to me as a teenager let alone as a man in my 40s Yeah, but I think that's naive of you to think that you know, you're gonna stop a preteen on their their dream Of following in your footsteps You know I'm saying like you what's the backlash from that? I depends on the situation I would definitely destroy easy sitting out here for us to say that but it's not ideal, right? Not a beauty the statistics with like child actors and what you know, it happens as a terrible Right. I totally agree. They're terrible. But yeah, it would be a tough conversation when you know, they're gonna want to rebel if you're gonna just That's right. No, and then it may backfire even more on you. Of course. So every situation is different So I think as a dad you're over there. You're just praying to God that it doesn't happen But I mean, you know being in it is a whole different I would try to find a way to do it differently But I mean, of course I'm talking and I haven't been in that situation Yeah, right, but I couldn't imagine getting like all these followers on social media as a kid Real popular and then you know, you go through your your ugly years or you're different now Everybody doesn't like you anymore. You're not as popular What that would be interesting I guarantee that one of us three or even including Doug one of us four is going to have to Handle this one time. We all have young kids right now who aren't on social media that one day will be by the time They are I mean you're already over a hundred thousand followers the podcast getting millions of listens every single month To you or to them you're fucking already super famous Wait till they're at an age where they turn it on and you think they're not going to want to be like that with you I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I think the odds of all of us with all of our kids that one of them is it Somebody's having that conversation in the next five years. Maybe I should make my kids my kids feel real insecure I think you'd suck, you know, you're not ready construction No, that's a tough one. Oh, it's gonna be time. I mean, I know to be tough Hey, if you enjoyed that clip You can find the full episode here or you can find other clips over here and be sure to subscribe