 Well, good morning, having some, so do I, do I have you my force muting you guys? No, there we are. You were force muting, we have sense of muting. All right, I apologize for that. I know it's, it's difficult there, but I think we should extend a warm greeting to Mr. Nelson, who's joined us live and in person. I know that he enjoys a personal greeting. Hello, hello, hello to Mr. Mike Nelson and also to Mr. Eric Riz. Well, let's all do the official kickoff here. Neil says he's having technical issues. I haven't heard from Sean or Sherry or Sharon. So I don't know what's happening or how what's going on with the hell. I'll actually how did email and said he'd be a few minutes late. OK, well, hello and welcome to episode 53 of the Microsoft 365 office hours. And we'll be discussing, of course, everything Microsoft 365 related and answering questions from the community. My name is Christian Buckley. I'm the Office Apps and Services MVP and Microsoft Regional Director and also, and there's Neil and also the Microsoft Go To Market Director at AvePoint and joining me today are Mr. Eric Riz, founder and CEO of empty cubicle and Office Apps and Services MVP based out of Toronto, Canada. Mike Nelson, a solutions architect with peer storage and a cloud and data center management MVP. So we dump everything that's non-sharepoint related goes in Mike's lap. So he's based in Appleton, Wisconsin, and we have Neil's chin and neck. And that would be. And Microsoft's your program manager, Dr. Neil Hodgkinson. Oh, so you're not able to get in on the app at all. So you resorted to the to the phone. I'll switch to it. I'm having some problems with my laptop, but I'll switch to it. And it will. OK. And I know. So how's going to be late? And we have we're not sure we're being ghosted by Sean, apparently. And Sherri and Sharon may drop in. We might have a few other folks drop in here. So but besides that, hello, everybody. Good morning. Hello, all. I've missed you all terribly. Oh, another email from. The a supposed panel member, Mr. McDowna. What does he claim now? It's quite long, but I think the general just of it is he's not here, which is plainly obvious. Those who are here. Thank you. Well, but now we have the documented, you know, the history for the historical records. So we'll we'll file that in our paperwork. Yes. And with the with the powers that be, let them know. Yeah, so this is well, this is it's great to have everybody. I know that there's a lot going on. We're end of quarter. People are busy end of fiscal year. Eric was talking about with a lot of a lot of government in the government sector. They've got the end of their fiscal year, a lot happening there. And yeah, and then next week and we will not be back next week because we've got something for it for all of us MVPs and Neil, I don't know if you're participating at all, but the MVP summit is happening next week. I know I've been invited. Oh, no, I would definitely take that personally. I can probably go and invite. I'd like to. But it's it hopefully this is our it's great having, you know, the the resource to be able to log in from the home. But what happens with a lot of these events is it's it's difficult to carve off your time for a multi day online only event. And so I'm just I'm not able to get as much out of it because I'm working. And I really hope they improve the process too, because I don't know if you remember last year's, but we were like the testing point for, you know, the beginning of COVID and the whole virtual thing, because we were like one of the first big events for Microsoft to be virtual and, you know, hey, throw teams into the mix, which a lot of people hadn't used to be honest. And I know people have now gotten used to it and they understand it. And if ignite is any kind of a, you know, indicator of how hopefully the summit goes, then we should be OK. But we'll see. Well, I think that generally it's it's more of a representation of conferences, whether in person or online, that are an issue for people who need to be doing other things while they are out of the office, whether whether in person or online. If you're if you're online, then that little green dot shows up to show you are you are available. Available, I know people. Yeah, people are going to ping you and you'll be expected to respond. And it's just the broader conversation around availability of time and lack thereof. You know, here's a real world example of that. So so my entire office is down in my basement here. And it's just we're empty nesters. So it's just my wife that works and comes home midday. She's like, well, I never know when you're available down there. And I said, so I bought one of those colored remote control colored light strings. I was going to put it in the stairwell and she's a visual designer. So she's just like, you're not putting colored Christmas lights up in my house. Like, no, I'm like, I said, but almost every day she comes home. Like she's the guy, I don't know if I need to ask you some questions. And I don't know if I can come downstairs and do that. But that's so it's kind of the opposite effect where she'll do nothing at all times because she she doesn't know. And I've offered to solve that with that, the colored lights. And she said no. Well, and that's from a family perspective, but I mean, also work because I mean, I told them I told work that I, you know, next week I'm going to be at MVP Summit, right. And that means very little to anyone but me. In terms of, oh, yeah, he's not he's not on a plane and he's not actually physically sitting in a hotel room or going to a conference hall where, you know, you really, you know, there's so many other distractions, there's so many, you know, networking in terms of meeting people on the hallways and talking to people and getting together in groups like we always do. Being able to walk around the campus and all that other kind of stuff we do during Summit. But now it's like, oh, yeah, he's just sitting at home. You can you can bother him, you know. I was going to say, Mike, so Mike, so what you're saying is as the business, this isn't costing us any money. Yeah, we don't have to put him up in a hotel. He's not traveling anywhere. He's available 24 seven, Pingham. Yeah. And you know, you're getting quality output from Mike while he's engaged in videos and he's getting a tremendous amount of knowledge out of those systems while he's trying to work at the same time. So it's out for everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. Hey, we're joined by Sherry Oswald, so a Microsoft certified trainer, Microsoft Office Master and co-founder of Power Up Learning in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Hello, Sherry. Sherry is muted, but she's great and she will sound great momentarily. I sound great momentarily. Good morning, sorry. I had to call it ran a little bit long. So that worries me here. We have Hal joining late and I is Sean joining at all for him. I have to say, he was quite unclear. He was very unclear whether he starts his email. Yeah, he starts his email saying, sorry, I'm a no show right now. Yeah. And right now, he might show later. That's why I don't think he. Well, as we all know, how much of a drama queen Sean can be. So that's. So we'll see what he's going to defend himself. That's one in the back pocket for later use right there. And I know that and Sharon has like a recurring customer meeting. And I'm sure she'll try and drop in a little bit later as well. But we'll jump into it where so we are going to. We've got some folks that are watching us on the live stream. Feel free to post your questions out on Facebook. You can go and find us in a couple that's been shared out a couple of different places. But otherwise, we've got a bunch of questions that you can ping us on various social media, go and find us and and let us know. And we'll address, if not today, then in the next episode, which will be in two weeks since we won't be doing it next week. But let's kick things off. But we always like start starting off with Mike. What's the latest with the message center updates? Oh, man, I got to tell you it was a busy week for Microsoft. I don't know what they're doing, man, but they're pushing everything out. It's like the message center updates were like, you know, they went on forever. So I'm only going to cover, you know, some of the highlights. They're just trying to get stuff out there before the VPs are looking closely at it next week. Is that what it is? Yeah, probably, probably. But I got to tell you, there's, you know, usually when they have a lot of updates, it's updates around timing. So they always, you know, are altering timelines, whether it's, you know, this timeline has been put forward, this timeline has been pushed back. But it's not like they're announcing anything new. They're just changing timelines. For some reason in the last week, they've had a lot of new stuff, not just timeline shifts or updates. It's a lot of new stuff. So, all right. Did you say timeline shifts? Yeah. You did, didn't you? Yes, I did. I said shifts. It's a good clarification. All right. Did we have the disclaimer first? It was very quick. Oh, that's right, yes. And I just wanted to be clear. There we go. So the disclaimer for those that are watching the live stream, obviously not showing up. I have to do a little bit of magic in the recording here for the, just there. But it is up on screen for those that are watching via the live stream, where we do clarify that all of our advice is provided as is. And I like to read this. The views in Fidgen's Express in this live stream are provided as is by the participants who are experts on some Microsoft technologies, but do not claim to be experts in all Microsoft technologies. I know Neil might make that claim, but yeah. Yeah. I'd like to add to that if I could. We need to add some content. Sure. Just add a sentence around accidental profanity, if that ever happens. We're not liable for that. That's right. The word was shifts. We clarify that you said. All accidental profane language is deemed to be a slight and merely made out of passion and commitment to our dedication to the platforms and products, which we have. But what happens when I'm accidentally not on mute and I call Christian a name? Well, that depends on what name you call him. Well, that would be a profanity. We do it because we care. I know. Yes, we do. All right. Let's go. Prevent attendees from sharing video fees in Teams is here. So meeting organizers can presenters now be able to prevent attendees from turning on their camera to share video. So, hey, remember those Zoom bombs? Well, you got Team Bombs, right? So now you can actually shut it off so you won't have any Team Bombs. And, you know, there's a couple different ways of doing it. So the thing that I'm not really understanding though is that you need to set all this before the meeting happens. You can't actually set it when you've already started the meeting, which, you know, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Maybe it's something in limitation around, you know, the architecture or the code or whatever, but they really got to try and make it so, hey, oh, yeah, we just had somebody turn on their video. I got to make it so no one can turn on their video. Well, no, you have to stop the meeting and restart it, you know, change the setting and then restart it. Okay. Then they finally added that for like the lobby, you know, because sometimes, you know, I don't want people in there before I'm starting, but then once I've started, I don't want to mess with the lobby. So I think they finally did change it to where you can now admit people. So it'd be nice if they added that as well. Yeah, I saw that this morning. The PowerPoint live is going to be in teams. It does a slide translation now. So now you can actually, you know, how you have translator and you can have the captions across the screen during a PowerPoint live. Now it'll translate automatically into a language that the user selects. So they can now automatically select if they're listening, you know, to someone giving a US from the US, they can change it to, you know, German or whatever language they like in order to watch the translation, which is really getting to that whole adaptability and, you know, diversity and inclusion, adaptability type of solution, which I'm honored. Which is a really cool feature. Just reminder to people though, you have to be using the cloud version of PowerPoint. Yes, that's correct. PowerPoint live. Yes. So that, because the Microsoft translator has been out there for years. In fact, I talked about, I think it was back in 2012 to 2014, somewhere around that timeframe. So I helped organize SharePoint Saturdays Sacramento. And we had some Spanish speakers in the audience there. And so we had several sessions that were primarily Spanish speaking. And I did a session where I used the Microsoft translator and it worked reasonably well. So, you know, I was giving my presentation. I had translator open. They were sitting there looking at their laptop. And it was, but pulling my audio and making the translation right there live. So they were sitting there listening with headphones. And it pretty much worked. So now we have that built in to PowerPoint live, which is pretty cool. And it's getting better. I mean, all that translation stuff and getting better. It's just dealing with different, you know, when we sat in a session for cognitive services with the PMs for cognitive services, they were telling us, you know, it's all about voice attenuation, you know, and when they're trying to recognize different attenuations of the voice, not only that, but also different slang that's used in things like that and trying to interpret it. It's like an art and a science together. It's kind of both, you know, to do that. And I think it's pretty cool. Moving on, more in teams. Now you can actually take the usage reports from teams and you can de-identify the person or personally identify all the information, PII information out of the reports. That was something I think we had a question on like three months ago or four months ago in, you know, in our webinar here. They actually, somebody asked about that. Hey, how can I take that PII information out of reports? Well, it's finally here. So the global admin can take that information out and it's based on anonymization setting available in the admin center. Very cool. Yeah. And another one about teams. Teams is just kind of like on a roll last week. Anybody heard of Ramp? R-A-M-P? The government ramp? No, that's bed ramp. So it's called, you know, you have to use bed ramp together. That's a whole government thing. If you dealt with government work, you know that question. But ECDN, there's an ECDN called Ramp that's used in enterprises. And Microsoft is actually integrating that into teams. So now you use the enterprise content delivery network, ECDN Ramp, okay, in live events for teams. Now, I took a look at this, because I've never used Ramp. I didn't know what it was, but I took a look at this and it's a video delivery system is what it is. And it even says in this notice, it says the industry standard for video content delivery within the enterprise is being integrated into teams. Now, take a step back from that. What does that tell you? Why is Microsoft putting a third-party enterprise video content delivery system into their collaboration product when they have their own video content delivery platform? Hmm. Nobody has any comments? Really? Okay. Yeah, well, buy that Microsoft stock, you know, buy that, you buy that, yeah, okay. Interesting. Oh, and by the way, so we are, well, he's disappeared there on the screen there, but we have been joined by Hal Haas-Stetler and let me scroll up to this. So he's a senior field engineer with Roland Shore and Tower and Tucson, Arizona, and another office apps and services MVP, but there's a lot of those. So, you know. Time it doesn't. Yeah. All right, I've got two more things and I don't know, get out of everybody's way. On the exchange side, you know, there's always been an issue with quarantine messages in exchange. And I've run into this with customers where they're like, hey, how do I get the employees not have to call the help desk every time they want one of these quarantine messages released? Well, finally, Microsoft is allowing for employees to release their own quarantine and being able to do that. Previously admins, the admins were unable to alter the end user access for messages quarantined by the policies. Now they have a new end user release workflow where end users can actually do their own thing with the quarantine message and nothing has to be directed to admins or global admins. So that's kind of big. And then also to add on to that, you can do customization of the quarantine notification. This is something that got, I mean, I remember this being asked back like in exchange 2012 days or exchange 2000 days is how do I customize? How do I, because we want to be able to put our company logo on a quarantine message so people, the employees don't think it's another phishing message. Because some of those quarantine messages look like phishing messages. So now they're going to allow that. You can do customizations of the quarantine notifications with the logo display name and a disclaimer. So I think that's definitely a step forward. I'm just, I don't know why I took them 10 plus years to get to this point, but it is what it is. And the last thing I want to ask is, does anybody use that focus mode in Outlook? Does anybody use focus mode at all? And do you? Do you find that really helpful, Riz? Let me ask you, do you find that really helpful? Yes, I do. Thank you for asking. Okay. I'm just wondering, because I have never found it helpful. I'm a big fan. I'm just sadly hereby. Another view? Okay. I'm a big fan of distractifications and turning them off. Yeah. I totally agree. And then you have to train it though. That's what people don't understand is it doesn't work right out of the box perfectly. You have to train it. And I get so many webinar announcements and newsletters and all that goes to the other and yeah, it saves me. Yeah. Yep. Cool. Well, the only reason I bring that up is because I've never really enjoyed it in Outlook. I've never really implemented it. I always thought it was kind of like a pain because I wouldn't see everything that I needed to see. But now they're bringing it to SharePoint pages. So now you're going to have a share, a focus mode for SharePoint pages that allow the authors, page authors and viewers to focus on a greater amount of page content by hiding pieces of SharePoint. So they're getting to the point and there's actually something, a little tidbit in the notification is saying, hey, we're getting rid of the visuals that which gets you to more to focus on what's there, but then they're going to take it a little bit further down the road and get more into, I don't know, more into what they do with an inbox focus in Outlook. They're going to try and focus the content that you see on your SharePoint site. Well, it'd be interesting. I'm sure then teams can't be far behind if they're doing that over on the SharePoint side because I'd actually really appreciate that. I mean, you have the ability to go in and pin, which I do, but even then, you're getting the notifications for all these things which are really not relevant to me directly, but there's activity that's happening because of the, to go in and refine the subscriptions, if there could be applied some intelligence to that say like, Christian's not mentioned, he's a member of and highlight that there's something new here, but I don't need to notify him for all of these things. I think that there's definitely some work that can be done there for teams. Jared, do you think that would be a good thing from the SharePoint perspective being able to, because as you bring up a SharePoint page, you have everything in the kitchen sink that the creator wants you to see, which necessarily means that, yeah, okay. Yeah, it's the designer. So I just did a communication site and using audience targeting communication sites for GlobalCon last week, and they try and throw everything up there on one page and don't understand. And my analogy I always use is you break it up like the newspaper, if you wanna find out how your favorite basketball team did this weekend, you don't look at the whole newspaper or you don't make the page 20 feet long, you make targeted areas, and then to me that's kind of like audience targeting, but I mean, each person can decide what they want to see instead of the person designing the page want to see, but I'm interested to see how they come up with that algorithm. Yeah, and it's gonna be all AI, right? Everything, it's all gonna be based off of AI and how long you spend looking at something, how many clicks you do on a page, all that kind of stuff, they're collecting all that telemetry data, so. Yeah, well, and it kind of goes back to, I don't know if you've seen the social dilemma, but they talk the algorithm for Facebook and all of that. And I wonder if they're using that same type of. Oh, I no doubt. Behind it, but that would be interesting. There. Well, that means I need to go back and explore focus, but seriously, on Outlook, I had it on for about five minutes and decided this right for me and turned it off. I guess I did not give it a fair enough trial. Yeah, you gotta train it. You gotta say, this is fluff, this is important, this is fluff, and eventually it catches on, so. Very nice little paper out there that helps you with that. Just out of curiosity. I didn't see one, but I haven't looked. Well, you know, how to train. I think you gotta be careful of how long is it? How to train your drag. You gotta be careful of how, you don't want to miss the email that tells you you've inherited $10 million from some lost uncle in the middle of Africa, right? I'll lose that one. My uncles just won't stop emailing me. I have the same problem. I just wish I didn't have to create all these robust spam rules for all the weird things. It's like, how many times do I have to say, I don't want to hear about this particular topic and warrant car warranties. But you first extended it to me. Yeah, car warranties and different male anatomy parts that apparently should be a focus in my life. I don't know. I don't know what you are referring to. Yeah, I'm in the same boat, man. I'll leave it here, Maddeny. You have to subscribe. You have to subscribe to this place. As Christian reminds us, you know, this is a family friendly forum. We tried to, so I would say that, you know, that the foul language is acceptable if suddenly you find that you've lost a limb, for example. If you're bleeding or dying. It normally doesn't happen in an online panel discussion about technology, but it could happen. I just want to leave that out there that, you know. Anything can happen. That's right. Well, let's jump into the community questions and see what we have going on. There's some interesting questions here. I've tried to mix it up a bit with the topic areas. And we'll see if we're able to get through. There's a couple of SharePoint ones in here and we don't have Sean here to dump them on him. Let's start with the question number one, Steve asks. Oh, this is timely. That's why I put it up front. Of course, last week, those that watched the show, remember that there was an urgent question where somebody needed an answer before 9 a.m. But this time, no, not really. Steve asks, with the outages, the issues this week, what does everyone have for a backup plan to continue to meet during these? This outage hit what we were supposed to have a two day conference for our executive leadership Luckily, last week, they rescheduled it to a few weeks from now. This would have happened at an extremely bad time had they not moved on it, moved it. So do any of you have any contingency plans for something like this? I'd love to hear them. So everybody on the panel know what happened last week? Did you get emails on the root cause analysis? The RC8 they did on it? Yeah, so if you were using Teams or if you were using, so what was it? What was the scope of it? No, it was the answer. It probably went to my other inbox. It probably went to my other. The focus inbox issue, that's right. I couldn't get my email, it was down. Yeah, it actually has to do around authentication. So it didn't just affect teams. It affected authentication as a whole. There was a new authentication. If you're on the security deals, they sent out an RCA analysis that they did on it. And basically what happened is that it made a change and the change didn't stick very well and they had to back it out. And in order to back it out, it took a long time to back it out. So they actually implemented it. And you have to understand the way things are implemented across Microsoft's cloud platform. It's not like they implement in sections. It's like they start a pipe and they start flowing stuff out of a pipe and it just starts hitting all these different areas. And when they have to back something out, they have to back it out the same way it came in. So it's like backing out a change. And that took longer than actually propagating the change. So it was around authentication. It didn't just affect teams. It affected a multitude of services, Azure portal. You couldn't access things like that. But the gist of it is it was an authentication change, didn't work out so well. They had to back it out. That took a couple of hours, kind of really pissed people off. But from a contingency standpoint, the only way you'd really be able to get around this is if you used a different provider at that point because you can't do anything with Microsoft services at that point. You don't have the ability to do anything from a cloud perspective, from Microsoft's perspective. You'd have to say, okay, we're switching the entire conference over to Zoom or something like that. That's pretty much the only contingency plan I can think of or reschedule. It's just the reality. Just to people relate, a few years back, I was doing demos for former company. And I had, I was just doing, it was like an open invite demo of our software and talking about kind of the business space around it and had some, had a senior executive from one of the largest global consulting firms that is a Microsoft kind of co-founded hint who that is. Anyway, so I had, so here I am, I'm starting on the demo, like five minutes into it, my internet goes down. In fact, if I recall, it may have been my power went out in the house. So of course, I immediately get on my phone, call my team, so I had a couple of folks that were on that call, call them and let them know what's going on. And then via phone, I send an email to all of the registrants. And I do it as fast as I can on your phone to go and find that information. We were using WebEx, I think, to go in there and log in via your phone and to get access to that. Anyway, so it took a few minutes to reach back out. But this VP was incensed at how unprofessional I was for having dropped with no notification the webinar for the product demo and called in and complained to multiple people in my company about me, about how unprofessional this was. And I'm like, what the hell? Like- Are you gonna notify when your power goes out? Oh yeah, just a minute guys, my power's about to go out. Correct. So it was, you know, they're just the lack of understanding. And so I actually had somebody at that company, more junior, like who apparently he went and did like a blacklist type thing, like never worked with this Christian Buckley at this vendor, you know, kind of thing internally. And this friend like went in and stopped all of that, explained what happened. But what kind of an a-hole are you to do like that kind of things. But my point is though, besides that, that just real, you know, demove, I'm starting, I'm trying hard to keep it all PG here. Keeps the profanity man. Got my finger on the button Christian, you do. Go for it. That's all we have in five second delay. No, that's the extent of my language. But I think what has happened over the last few years is people have become more understanding of those kinds of technical issues. Or the dog barking, you know, as we're working from home or last minute change because the child needs to be picked up from school because of the schedule change or whatever it is. Like people are much more understanding of the things that happen. So like as a backup plan, like, yeah, if you have to meet like right then, right there, Microsoft services go down, you've got other third party solutions in place. A week ago, my internet went down. And again, I was, it was out for the entire day. It was construction team cut into the fiber cables, you know, for our entire neighborhood. So thousands of homes lost their internet coverage for the entire day. And so I did what I could via my phone. But the best thing to do, my backup plan recommendation is reschedule. The service goes down, reschedule. So. The other way to think about it, Christian, like you say, you know, as much as I, you know, I work, I work for the Azure product group, right? I'm in the Azure product group at Microsoft. We actually also, I work a lot with my customers where they are multi-cloud, right? So like you said, you know, use teams goes down, use Zoom, switch back and forth if necessary. I work with customers all the time that have that they have secondary platforms or even primary platforms on AWS. And Azure is the secondary of the backup. So think about that as well, isn't, you know, that's kind of, that's how we work with customers all the time. Yeah, of course we want everyone on the Microsoft cloud, but it's in one basket isn't always the right choice. And when everything is tied together, I mean, when you have an outage, it, you know, take an example, we had an outage what six months ago with storage out of Texas, where one of the DCs in Texas had a storage outage that caused all kinds of mayhem, but it only affected, it only affected certain regions and it only affected certain services, where this authentication actually affected a massive amount of people because the authentication is centralized. So it's a little bit, you know, thinking of it that way, it's something, you know, how do you prepare for that? You can't, I mean, there's no way. Well, you know, when dealing with web conferences, depending on the audience again, it's a little bit different if you have an all day event planned and there's a major outage, and if there's no, like what can you do, but reschedule that. Next week, summit, right, MVP summit, all of a sudden they come in and they have an outage on MFA again, and it's like, oh, well, we're gonna move summit, you know, next month. Okay, there's a little phrase that we call an act of God, which I mean, you know, aside from your beliefs, we'll just, you know, go with this. False, am I sure? In terms of naming, you know, if you miss a flight or the flight doesn't take off because of weather or something and you're stuck in a city and you can't make a conference, do you go crazy? Well, sometimes we've all seen that person, but generally speaking, these things happen. So where is this bad code considered an act of God? Under that is it. I've just come to the point where I realize that I only have control over so much in my life and there's certain things I do not, right? Yeah. Yeah, to quote, to quote, to quote, like, shifting pins. I've heard that somewhere before. Yeah, that's right. Hey, well, let's jump into question number two. Johann says, using word and the mailings function to send out a newsletter via email. Every email has a unique name at the greeting part of the email. It's awfully clumsy to try and design a layout with text and pictures. In word, yes it is. And if I try to use, by trying to use a template for words sent as HTML, there are a bunches of pictures and shapes missing from the final email which are fully visible in word. Any tips on how to create a good looking email that doesn't change hugely depending on screen resolution, zoom in, zoom out, things like that? Well, sometimes you actually want things to change, right? Based on, if you're looking at like accessibility functions or if you're looking at like more modern templates, they do change as you, you know, zoom out. So depending on the fact, am I looking at on my phone or am I looking at it on 32 inch monitor that I have on the side of me right now? I don't know how you fix that. Well, I know that, right. Cause you, cause you have the, I mean, gone are the days of the fixed with emails. Once in a while, I received one of those and I think, wow, hello, 1997. You get those emails. And so you have the dynamic then they scale based on the device and the things around that. But there are, I mean, I'll be honest, I used to try to use mail merge and do some things a long time ago using word and it really hasn't gotten any better, which are why you have all of these third party solutions that that's all that they do. You have like MailChimp that have those templates. If you're using, if you've got your marketing platform, if you're using a dynamics, I know has some out there, but you know, all the other platforms there, the marketing platforms have templates that you can use as well. And my advice is don't stray from those templates. And they're designed to be, you know, just fill in with the images and the text and the text blocks and then don't try to do anything advanced beyond that. But the one other piece of advice, if you're looking for something that's unchanged, you're doing a newsletter, save it as a PDF and send people to PDF. Well, and part of the thing is when you're dealing with word, it's just like outlook. Are you embedding the images? Because you talked about missing pictures and shapes. So are they being embedded or they being linked? Because if they're being linked, it all depends on what the recipient can receive and whether, you know, everything around what the recipient can see. Whereas if they're being embedded, it's part of the mail itself. It's part of the actual, you know, piece of mail. So that makes it. It can make it really big and there by-cars troubles from that standpoint. So yeah. I know people that have embedded videos and email. Isn't that just ridiculous? Isn't that just, I mean, why would you do such a thing? You know, a good friend of mine, some of you may know, you probably all know him, Todd Carter, from, yeah, it's Microsoft, right? One of the things he was alongside myself, he was a fellow instructor on the Microsoft Certified MasterProgram. And one of the things he always said, which resonates with me to this day and he first told me it's about 15 years ago, don't take a dependency you can't afford. So put an image in a Word document and it's not embedded, it's actually just attached or it's like linked and maybe somewhere stored in a SharePoint site, somewhere. And you have an authentication problem like we had last week. Now all of a sudden nobody can see those images because no one can authenticate, even if they have permission. Is that advice also applied to children? It applies to everything. Never take a dependency you can't afford, Christian. I've found the work around saving your words as an MHTML file because that embeds the images because otherwise when you create an HTML file it creates a separate folder and the images are referenced in that. And if they're sending it out as a Word document and the picture's on their desktop but it's not gonna find it when it hits their inbox, so. But it doesn't. It puts a CSS in everything and it's separate, right? So yeah, that's Cascading Scales and everything that, I mean, do anything in HTML, it bloats it, it just takes it. And to your point, who was, I think it was Hal was talking about the size. You can't take your photographs that you took with your camera that are 2,400 by 6,400 pixels wide and put it in an MHTML email, right? We need to right size those. Let's clarify that. People do insert those large files in there. They don't resize. Which is quite a thing. Exactly. So that's right. And I found, I have to find it now, but there's an add-in to Windows that now lets you resize pictures, like by right-clicking and resizing them, not have to opening them in paint. Picture resizer, I think that's part of the PowerToys. PowerToys, that's what it was. So if you, I'll find that and put a link in there. Find the link, that's awesome. Yeah, there. Well, even out of these days, though, if you, well, stay these days, been there for a while, if you attach an image file or say, what do you want to do? It's like small, medium, or large. Original size, it'll do that for you anyway, but that's an attachment versus embedding. If it's a newsletter, you actually want the image visible versus... And as long as you're resizing your images, remember to also add the appropriate tags and description to all of your images. That's actually, this put my marketing hat on, is most people fail to do that, add any of that other metadata to their images. There's a lost branding opportunity right there. Who has the time? Come on. Anybody outside of marketing does not have the time. That's true. Truth, all right. It's like putting all the metadata in your music. Who has the time to go in there? If the artists are in the album, all that kind of stuff, I mean, does anybody really take the time to do that? I'm asking. I try to for accessibility purposes, but other than that, yeah, I'm with you. Sometimes I'm like, I don't have time for that. Yeah, same problem. On that note, I don't have time for this. I got it wrong, guys. I love you all. Take care, guys. See you later. Take care, guys. Well, let's jump into question number three. Raimi asks, hello. Someone have an issue when uploading profile pictures in Delve. I upload a new profile pic, but I refresh the Delve page and it disappears. Any idea? Did someone encounter the same issue? So I have to read that again. Because doesn't Delve pull from your Azure AD profile? Yeah, which comes from Exchange. Yeah, it can, and then they can replace it. So the company can designate that it has to use a specific picture or allow you to add your own. Right, so that's my point, is that if the company doesn't allow that, depending on what the company is set up, it could just automatically replace that or not allow that to be saved. So just so we're clear here, the Exchange, like the gal, the gal is made up of what it can pull from Active Directory or what it can be is manually added as a contact because you can add a contact without it being associated Active Directory, right? Because you can add like, you know, guests and external people and all that kind of stuff. That doesn't necessarily go up into Azure Active Directory, but when that stuff is pulled, it automatically goes into Delts, but then you have policies around Delts that can restrict what is displayed in Delts. So it may not display all of your extended attributes and everything else. It just might just put your name and your picture out there and that's it. And I know a lot of companies that have locked down the ability to chain pictures. They say I work with two of the companies that said, nope, we don't want our employees changing the picture. HR has to do that. Is there a file size limit that could be locked in? Yeah, there is actually. And that's published. That's actually published because that file actually sits inside of a field in Active Directory. So it's like, it's embedded and it's actually base 64 encoded. So it's... That'll reject the image if you try to upload it. Right there at the upload process. But I think that the first step of this is talk to your admin, find out what they allow because that might be the reason why it's rejected. And if it's not, that might identify some other issue that the admin needs to go investigate anyway. Well, and my HR hat goes on. It's like, what is in the picture? Like maybe they always tell people, make sure it's a work appropriate picture. You know, being on the beach with a margarine in your hand in your job is probably not the best idea. So... Yeah, but then they relax. They're not gonna ask me pictures, Sherry, right? Yeah, but then they relax it. I don't know if anybody here uses like Slack in teams, you can't do it so much. But I mean, like Slack, you can throw whatever picture you want up there. So me, Sam. Hal had his tunes kick in. All right. So let's jump to question number four. Umit says, I have a Microsoft 365 Azure tenant where I have E3 business licenses. I want to require my users, which are not on Azure AD, the requirement to force using a Windows 10 password when using their laptops or phones. It should also go to lock strings after five minutes of inactivity. The users are only using their own laptops or their personal laptops with my tenant subscription. It should stay like a bring your own device configuration. Where do I specify these policies? So if people are using their personal devices, unless you have management of those devices, I don't, I didn't think you could enforce those kinds of policies. No, so that this is, this is an in tune scenario with Office 365. And in order to manage the device, the device needs to be registered and synced and the users need to be synced. The users, it's critical, the users are also synced. So they need to be synced into Office 365 and then you can use in tune or Microsoft endpoint manager, as it's called these days, to, um, to, to, to, to, uh, when you enroll the device, whatever policies you've created in in tune will be applied to that device. Is that same for me? You know, I have my personal iPhone, right? I enroll it in Microsoft. And we're pretty lenient in terms of our policies, very strong in security, but lenient in terms of what we can and can do. You can have the devices where they're, you know, from all the way from being literally locked up kiosk devices to, um, you know, fully open, do what you like. But if you then try to access any particular managed application, there is a set of security rules. Like if I, for example, I, I, I must have a six digit pin on my phone in order to use Microsoft Outlook on my phone. Otherwise, no, you can't use it. Um, so it's in tune is where that happens. That's where the policies are. But no, you can't, you, you can't not have the users enrolled. It's just not a thing. That's like trying to, you know, assign me a password when you don't know what my identity is. How do you do that? You count. Yeah. It's great. It's been belligerent. Sorry. Yeah. All right. Uh, question number five. Shria says a quick question on SharePoint 2013 server. Often when Windows patching is done, I can see that SharePoint patches get installed, which I don't want. Is there any way to avoid this? Does the Windows patching require SharePoint update as well? The short answer to that question is no. The question of what I would add to that is a question back to Shria. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm assuming it's female. Sounds like a female name. Are you using Windows update or like automatic updates? Are you downloading your updates and installing them? Because if you're using automatic updates, there is a chance you'll pull down the occasional window with SharePoint patch as well. Especially if it's a security patch, you're going to, it's going to come down. Well, I will preface that too. Is that if you're using wassas, you can control that. So they may consider you putting wassas in Windows update services server so they can, they can actually put a policy. Don't, what are you laughing about? I'm just thinking that it's that 90s. Are you using wassas? Sorry. That's just where my mind goes. I can feel like a new thing. Why is Microsoft not capitalizing on that? Wassas. Are you using wassas? I'm wondering how much coffee Christian's already had today. Think about the coffee. What's in the coffee? I don't know why that makes me a little more scared that you haven't had any coffee. You have that much energy on a Monday morning. I'm just, I'm that passionate about answering community questions here every Monday morning. Every Monday morning. That's right. Yeah, I know. And patching is something that like, whether it's, it doesn't really matter what platform it is. SharePoint is obviously sensitive because SharePoint has security patches. It has product patches. It has service packs as all of the things, right? Like a lot of other platforms. So I think, you know, wassas. Yes. Absolutely. Would make perfect sense and makes absolute sense inside inside a business organization or patching everything. Really, when you think about it in terms of what's approved and what's not. So if they use, like I say, go back to the, they're using just regular Windows update. If you go into Windows and just click update, and I'll find, find all updates, you're going to get everything. So that's the thing to be aware of. And especially you will get security patches for SharePoint, if that's the case. Think about your patching strategy versus just blind. No, that's the wrong word, but just going into it like using the defaults. Don't just use the defaults. Yeah. All right. Question number six, Ryle says, what PowerShell version should I use in 2021? And why? She's asking as a newbie. I'll take that one. Sure. You know, half of my work is done with PowerShell. So the answer, it depends. Yeah. And the reason why I say that is because PowerShell 5.1, which is still shipped with Windows Server, is based off of .NET Framework 4.5. And our .NET Framework, not necessarily 4.5, but earlier. So in PowerShell version 7, everybody wants to forget about PowerShell version 6, which was called PowerShell Core. And that's no longer, you know, anywhere. PowerShell 7 is based off of .NET Core. And there's a big difference there, right? Is that Windows Server uses the 5.1, which is the lowest common denominator, which allows you to run a lot of modules and a lot of scripts that have not yet updated to .NET Core. So it gives you a much wider breadth of modules and scripts that people have written over the years, and you can still use them. Okay, that's not to say that they won't work in the newer versions of PowerShell, like PowerShell 7, but it all depends on how they were coded. All right, so someone more specifically coded in C sharp 4.NET Framework, they will not work in .NET Core. That's just the way it is. That's the way that the frameworks work. So my advice is, I use both. So my advice is to get, you know, fire up Windows Terminal. If you haven't used Windows Terminal, you really should, because that is becoming now the default terminal in Windows 10, the next build that comes out for the public. If you're on Insiders, you know this. Windows Terminal is going to be the default and you can fire up multiple sessions. And multiple sessions means you can have PowerShell 5.1 running side by side with PowerShell 7. And I run both. It depends on what I'm doing, the work type of work I'm doing. PowerShell 7 gives you all these new fancy, new features of PowerShell. It gives you a lot more flexibility with the commandlets and things like that, but it doesn't give you a lot of the backward compatibility that you can use and find out one. Good. Is that work? There we go. I think that's great. Question number seven. Ulrika says, please help since Monday afternoon. I've not been able to reach all the files and teams. I am the owner. My members get the same message when they try to open files. This is that they might be removed or we are not authorized to see them. I found the SharePoint site and see all the files, but cannot open them. Something about the SharePoint server can't be found. Is this related to last week's authentication? It was expertly described by Mike. They're saying, you know, since Monday afternoon, I don't know what was the span of the outage. It wasn't over multiple days. Was it? Oh, yeah, it was. It was on Friday. It was actually still a problem in EMEA. Did that start on Monday, though? Did they start experiencing? It depends because it's a wave. It started in EMEA later than the US. It started in the US first. It ended in the US first. It was still going on in EMEA at the time. It ended in EMEA at the last at the end. I had a demo environment that I was working on trying to set it up for Tuesday for an event and that when the outage hit and then I tried to go back and use that same demo environment a couple of days later, it was still corrupted. So I couldn't use it anymore. So something happened in that space. Because it had a ripple effect, too. It wasn't only the MFA, but some people were in working. The effects went in and they were still doing things that caused, you know, some corruption because they tried to back it out and people are still using the service. There was corruption elements and obviously, if it's an authentication issue, if you already had your token, right, you didn't have to create a new token. Therefore, you could continue to work and then at some point, your token would expire and you couldn't get a new one. So it would fail. If you midway were creating a document, it would fail to save, for example. Those kind of things would happen. So I think I suspect this question and I encourage the person that wrote the question to come back if they don't think that was the issue and if they're still having the problem, please come back. Otherwise, I suspect it was connected to that scenario that happened last week. So just to summarize what you just said there, Neil, are you saying have you tried turning it off and on again? Basically, yeah. Always. I have to reboot my laundry machine every now and again because I have problems. Yeah, my favorite reboot stories are back in the beginnings of what is now Office 365 and that was like every SharePoint admin remembers that restarting the servers and then you'd have newer people coming into the SharePoint world saying, this is a legitimate thing. Everybody's okay with this? No, no one's okay with it. It's just the reality that we live in here. How do you reboot the cloud, Christian? How do you reboot the cloud? I can answer that. You've got to remember, I was part of the original Office 365 engineering team. I helped build B-PosD, build B-PosS, build Office 365. I'm not joking. I legitimately had to reboot the machines. Oh, yeah, really? Sometimes it's your only option, right? It's so diversified now, Neil. How does that happen? I mean, they literally have to, if they wanted to do that, they'd have to take outages across the service fabric that would extend. Yeah. I was in that team back in 2010, right? Yeah. Physical machines and log into those machines as escalation engineers and fixed stuff. I had a great conversation where my eyes were kind of open to some of that back in 2007, 2008, with Derek Ingalls, who owned all those environments and was responsible for those in his team. I saw how some of the cake was made, and it startled me. There's a session that Steve Walker and I delivered that it was Ignite New Zealand 2015, and the description was a view inside the Sausage Factory. And we revealed everything we were allowed to reveal. Let's put it that way. The platform today, as you said, Mike, it's a much more holistic platform. Everything's connected, everything works together. Back then, it really wasn't. Well, it was enterprise software that was being opened up to multiple enterprises. It was a new thing. Microsoft was, I think, as sometimes happens, you've probably heard this, the marketing was a bit ahead of the reality on the engineering side of what could be done. Not just Microsoft, everybody does that. Correct. Yeah, so it's amazing to see where it was. I had customer number two on BPOS-D, and it failed outright from a technology standpoint. Oh, okay. So it was a financial services company, a big one out of Connecticut. The first company, and most people know this is trivia question, who was the first customer on Office 365, which was the BPOS-D platform, the dedicated platform. It was Energizer. Energizer, yep. Yeah, I had customer number two. It did not go well. I did an entire session with them. They were a good customer to be fair. When we moved from 2007 to 2010 SharePoint in BPOS-D, everything changed, right? Because we started to integrate fast search. We started to change everything. The ranking models all changed. I spent weeks and weeks and weeks going through why their search didn't work anymore. And it's not that it didn't work. Everybody, not just them, everybody's process has changed. You had to change how you searched. And it was a long effort. The problem is back in that era, because this customer, that was still the 2003 to 2007 transition. So this stuff was brand new. So that was 2006 was when this project was going on. And they were not a Microsoft shop. They were moving to all things Windows. So that added to the complexity and the emotion of the employees. So that's a full-time job right there. Just moving people off of other... I believe they were a Lotus Note Shop and over to the Microsoft sphere. If that's not difficult enough and then to also move off of all of their collaboration platforms to this yet unfounded solution, that was still when we were called MMS before BPOS even came around. All right. Fun stories of old, yes. Question number eight, Ahmed says, how can I authenticate Wi-Fi users by using Azure Active Directory? Need more information here. Is it a guest hotspot that you're talking about? Is it like on an Cisco device where you set up the disclaimer that when a Wi-Fi guest comes in, they have to click the button saying they accept your policies and they have to type in an email address like in a hotel Wi-Fi or room number or whatever. Or is it just authenticating to the network for corporate network users that are already in AD? Because that doesn't require anything. I mean, they're just part of the network. So I'm not sure where this question is coming from. And then the other thing to think about is what's the platform? UniFi, there's a bunch of stuff out there and there's a bunch of SSO solutions that can use Azure Active Directory. But I think actually if you're talking about just how do I authenticate? Because one of the things I always think about when I think about this scenario is I'm not necessarily authenticating me as a user. I'm authenticating my device. I'm allowing my device access to the network. So which is it? What are we talking about here? And sometimes it's a, you know, I've got a Wi-Fi user on Wi-Fi. I want to authenticate them with AD. I want to authenticate them to a SAS solution. I want to think that, yeah, more information. Yeah, that's kind of the, what is the exact scenario here? Which we do not know. I know my NetGear router that's sat around the corner right here is not going to integrate with Azure AD. So I need a password for that. So that's kind of how that works. All right. Question number nine. Chris asks, I have an issue with a Power Automate workflow where I have Microsoft Forms as the trigger, which ultimately populates a SharePoint list item with the responses and attachments. Considering Forms has a 10-item attachment limit, we've found through testing that when the attachments are added to the SharePoint list item, only five of the 10 attachments are actually added to the list. Now, is Forms still technically in preview? I don't know. I can't help with this question. I'm sorry. I don't even use Forms. Yeah, I don't think it is. I don't know. Open up and look at it. I mean, within my team, we use it all the time for collecting feedback and stuff. Yeah. I've not gone down. I mean, I've never seen an attachment. It's not saying beta or preview or anything, so I think it's fully out there. Yeah, I don't know that there's what could be failing with the attachments. I mean, if the attachments don't meet certain criteria, if there's other criteria around what can be attached and it's the unaccepted types, if the SharePoint list that it's going to only accepts certain content types, that could also cause that failure. Like if you try to attach images and it's an unsupported image type. Yeah, I don't know. Anything else around that? Are there any other limitations on the Power Automate side for that that would restrict that? But, yeah, I don't know. This is one of those I feel like where we need to go and play around. There's not an obvious answer. We'd have to go and test that out, but I don't know. Any other thoughts? I don't know. All right. Hal, do you have all the answers for us? He doesn't have a voice right now. He's muted, so. Sorry about that. I must have muted myself. No, not right off the end. Okay. All right, we'll move on. Question number 10, Zeke asks, anyone can help me how I can share a folder? I cannot share it on SharePoint due to it reached the threshold. However, when a list view shows more than 5,000 items, you may run into a list view threshold error. You may run into an error, or he is running into an error. It's my question there. The grammar on this one is pretty rough, but I would say, okay, I'm just going to throw this out there. Is he sharing with multiple individual people? Because if he is, he should start looking at the opportunity to use Azure AD groups instead. Instead of sharing a list with 5,000 people, share it with an AD group or multiple AD groups. The different groups have different levels of permission. Therefore, you're no longer going to hit the 5,000 item limit. You're going to be much more controlled in terms of the permission scopes. Yeah. If it's a number of items in the list is over 5,000, then we've changed that limit significantly actually, but that shouldn't be a specific problem in moderns, especially if it's shared online. They're not going to be shared online. But there's a number of, again, I hate saying this, it's another more information question. The list view, I'm assuming they're getting the little yellow bar that pops up at the top that says restrictive view, that kind of thing. Think about more folders. Think about Azure Active Directory permissions, permissioning with a security group versus individual users. I think that's a Steve Peska. Remember Steve Peska wrote that document back in the day that talked about how to manage large lists? That's still out there. That document, that blog post, I think he's still out there. I forgot about Steve. That's the name I haven't heard. You can't forget about Steve. No, no, I remember Steve, of course. I just haven't heard that name in a while. Well, there's a reason for that. The reason is when he left Microsoft, right, he created Office 365 Mon. That was his company that he built with his past. And then he sold it. He was probably driving around Nevada somewhere in his whatever car he's driving these days, like super souped-up machine with his millions of dollars in his pockets. And on him, because he deserves it, he was a great guy. Grandpa, as we called him, because he was always the oldest of us all, the SharePoint. There's a picture of him on Facebook just with him and his dog. Yep. He rides his bike. He's cycled from East Coast to West Coast across the US, raising money for charity as well. I seem to recall. There's been a couple Microsoft folks that have done that. But yeah, I remember that. So I don't know if you ever knew Bill Staples. He was a VP. So good friend of mine. He was my next-door neighbor there. And so he's here in Utah as well now. He's a SVP for some DevOps company out of San Francisco now. But he and his wife did that cross-country cycling and took pictures along the way of that whole experience. Forest gump. Yeah. Forest rump. I don't know. I've driven on a lot of those highways that they covered out of Washington state, making it just down here to Utah. And I mean, I was nervous for them on some of those roads. I know how I drive. All right. Let's jump into question 11. So we got another 20 minutes. So Zeke says, anyone can help me? Oh, that was the last one. 11. Ferris says, hi, I need help on Power Apps. I want to create a copy of existing record in Power Apps that is connected to SharePoint List. Once I copy the record, I would want to make edits to some of the fields and then save the record as new. There are depths on Power Apps here. Anyone? Mike? Al? Yeah. We're going to punt on that one. Sorry. Is that a celebrity question? Yes, you do. Sorry. Power Apps for this group is a telephony related question. Yes. 12. Shiri asks, I have a SharePoint online modern site. I want to remove the breadcrumbs. Is there a way to do it? Why would you want to remove the breadcrumbs? I remember when breadcrumbs were an option, they were a widget, but no, they're not. They're a web part. Sorry. Yeah. No, the breadcrumbs along with the, what are they called, the mega menu? Those are kind of just locked in now. Well, a mega menu is not, but... Is that why? Because you want to be able to serve up information. You don't want people going and navigating and going other places. You want to have them consume that information there and then depart. I mean... Yeah. Maybe that's part of the announcement that Mike made earlier, right? You know, thinking about using breadcrumbs versus having all of the information. So you're just seeing more targeted information. The breadcrumbs just exists. It's a way to move around. I don't know. I don't think you can remove it, though. I don't think it's an option. You probably have to deploy a custom site to do that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you're going and creating a curated experience for people, a communication site, you know, a hub site with kind of all those pieces around there and are delivering, you know, what you want people to see in the flow of that. I mean, personally, I still want to have the ability to go do a deep dive or go, you know, wherever I'm finding that information. I'm finding a bunch of sites that have the breadcrumbs removed. And maybe I want to, you know, go up and find the source of the information of this sub-site that's created and you'll remove that ability. I'm a fan of breadcrumbs for that reason. If I'm just scanning, looking for information of what was curated, that's great to have that organized versus having to go and do a detailed search and dig defined stuff every time. So I'm a fan of having the presented catered content experience, but I want to have that ability to go and dig in if needed. Yeah. So all right. Question 13. Thomas, why do I get the following message during a chat due to org policy changes? So I'm assuming this is within Teams. Due to org policy changes, some chat and calling features are no longer available. Continue your conversation here. Then I cannot continue that chat dialogue. Has anybody experienced that? I have. And yeah, so I've had that where it's broken and I go back in and where it's an authentication issue with my profile as I switch between multiple tenants but leave chats open. I believe that's what causes that issue and what I've experienced. This is the same thing this person is talking about. But when I refresh that chat, that window, then it reconnects and I'm able to get right back into that conversation. Well, maybe that's going to close out every one of these with the jam session. I jump on the keyboards or grab the base and we'll just go. But I think that's what I believe that's what's happening there. If there's a disconnect, if it's not able to identify that you're you as part of that and that's where you'll get that error. So I don't know if that's Mike or Hal, if you've experienced that issue with that error message in teams. Will you get disconnected from a chat? Nope, not me. Hal's the one with the chat history, so. I think the thing is, is it actually an error message or is it just a notification? Like that something's changed because I get that in out. I got that in out. I'll say you're up. Your ministry has changed some settings. Yeah, well with this one, right? So there's there's one where there's like the features done available anymore and this is different than what what I brought up is slightly different for what what Thomas mentions. Get the messages due to org policy changes. Some chat and calling features are no longer available. Continue your conversation here but then can't get to that chat to continue it. So oh so that isn't it. Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's not at all what I'm saying. Yeah, so that's I guess the follow up questions would be is it from that single chat? Are you having that experience in that across multiple chats? Because yeah that that. So I get a weird similar message. When there's that that disconnect, especially moving between multiple profiles. And leaving chats open. This looks like something that happened from an org policy change. And but in both cases it says, you know, continue your conversation here. And then that kind of infers like I can click on it and it takes me to a place where I can continue that. And if he's saying that nothing is continuing and he's he's locked out of that chat. That's a different problem. Yeah, kind of weird. Yeah, I would talk to the admin and the if the admin is equally confounded by that issue than to. Log a ticket. So yeah, I didn't know what else to what else to tell you, Thomas. Question number 14. John says I'd like to put call me or message me links in my email signature for members of my organization to contact me through teams. Can anyone think if there's a way to trigger these teams functions by URL? Yep, just put in the chat window. Twice, bizarrely. All right, just that is your that's the HTML link and that will send you to your. Chat or call. Yeah, I think there's a blog post from like three years ago. I think I had that at one point open. We didn't get to this question. But yeah, there's a couple of people that blogged about this in 2017. I think of that that capability. So it's kind of a known way to go into that. Yeah, this isn't this isn't me being smart. This is me using using somebody else's knowledge. Just for just for acknowledgement there. So we'll provide that link in the blog post as well. Yep, so that's a great thing to have out there. Question 15 Dan says what will happen if an owner deletes the team's group from exchange? All kinds of bad things. Yeah, all the pointers and everything go away. I know that. So you're saying don't do it. Don't probably not a good idea. I mean, you, you, you, yeah, it's definitely not a good idea. You can rebuild it. She's like the $6 million man. Steve Austin, right? We can rebuild him. It's possible to put that together. But only if you know what was in there in the first place as Hal said, like the pointers are going to go. There's a bunch of stuff in an exchange group that is not just about users and missions. There's there's much more to it than that. I would suspect that. Yeah. Yeah, so the so let's talk content to the content that's stored on the SharePoint side still there. The content, the conversations that were associated with that that are stored in exchange. Those are still there. But they're now they don't have that. Connector ID. There's no, the permissions basically permissions are gone. I mean patients, the content will still be there because that's based on active directory, right? Or Azure AD. But the teams, the teams. I'm trying to. And I'm. The thing that would be lost, the primary thing that would be lost is that connectivity between all of the people. And the content so you would lose. You would lose the context would be gone if that makes sense. Yeah, right? So everything all the all the artifacts remain. But now they're no longer connected. But what happens to the team? So if you have a team that's associated with that group. It still remains, I think. Yeah. That's interesting. But nobody were able to like discover that because if you think about how the discovery of a team occurs, like if I if I go into teams and I'm like, oh, I want to find this team, someone says, go join this team. I'm not going to be a find anymore. It's gone. Right. The. The positional pointer, if you like, for that team is no longer there. I am going to go. I'm going to take this one as homework. And I think this is an interesting problem. I want to understand. Again, I'm confident like we've been saying I'm confident in what happens to the components. But I want to know what happens the rest of the experience that there's something else we're missing in the team side of things. So I'm going to go and blow something up and see what happens. And. Yeah. So. Well, that's the benefit of having now my my former company now just my personal tenant. It's just become my pure demo tenant. And so there's nothing business critical on it. And so I can go do things like this, but I definitely have some groups and some sites and things that are out there. Some teams that have multiple people and internal external and and I'm interested to know what happens and to end. So I'll go do some research and provide some links as well. I'll report back on it in two weeks when we're back together, but I'll likely blog on it between now and then. All right. Well, we got to question 16 with the question from dynamite dynamite dynamite dynamite dynamite dynamite dynamite. He asks. Hi, everyone. I have a SharePoint list that is growing past 5000 items every three months or so. The filters on the list is impacted every time the items exceed 5000. Is there a way to allow the list to increase and not impact the filters? I had no idea. Well, I guess a lot depends on what the filter are. I mean. My gut response would be no. So the filters are always going to be impacted, right? Because there's always the filters I'm assuming are based on metadata. And, you know, whether it's like a date range or alphanumeric filter, they're always going to be impacted as it gets bigger. So it might need to be think about what are the filters that we're using? And how are we visualizing the list? It's probably a more appropriate question. But again, it's another one of those need more information, I think. My gut response. No, there's not. Your filters are going to be impacted. The question is, what are your filters? Yeah. I don't know where else to go with that. It's just I'll go back to my favorite Jeff Teeper quote. Reduce your requirements. Yeah. Yeah, well, hey, that's a key part of architecture and design is as understanding the limitations of the technology and then designing experience where if you're continually running into this, then make a change. Like how are people actually using that? If you're constantly running into this and you need to have this list that's exceeding, maybe this is something that you need to pull it out of SharePoint. Maybe this is something that you got out in Azure stored that you're accessing building like a dashboard in Power BI and you're just accessing that data in a different way. It just depends on what you're doing. All right. Possibly the last question we'll see here. 17 February. It's a great name. Hi all, I'm using SharePoint 2013 with the custom list that has approval. Can the approval be accessed via mobile? I tried accessing the team site in my mobile browser, but I can't open it. The mobile browser view is activated. Come on, Mike. Answer some of these SharePoint questions. Not my zoo, you know? The approval be accessed via mobile. Have they tried using the SharePoint app versus just the browser? That would be a great question. That's another option, right? The SharePoint app, they actually just updated last week. So I would consider using the SharePoint app and see if it works that way. When I use my browser in my mobile, my phone, I generally always flip to the full version versus the mobile version of any website I access. Maybe that can help as well. However, if it can't be accessed, then maybe that's something that needs to be flagged as a, oh, okay. User voice is gone now, but we're going. Yeah. I mean, if it's truly, truly broken, I would say, I'm actually listening. If you're on this call, you get the feedback. No, not actually, sorry. February. February. Get back to us, because if there's a bug there, I would be happy to open an internal bug ticket. That's actually a genuine failure in the mobile experience. Oh, wait. No, SharePoint 2013. So it's not online. That's going to be a harder argument to have. Oh, yeah. It's on-prem. Good point. What a crappy mobile browser experience that is to then log in. So you could have, so the mobile browser view is activated. There could be other permissions or restrictions in place by accessing via device. I mean, it could be a slew of other problems. Yeah, and you're not going to get support for that. There's, you know, SharePoint 2013 is already in extended support. There's certainly going to be any help for that. So if it doesn't work, all I can say is, as a Microsoft employee, I'm sorry, it doesn't work. And I know I say that flippantly and kind of, I don't mean it that way. If it doesn't work today, it probably never worked ever. And your answer, the answer to the question is probably, no. Yeah. If you can't find it. Yep. It's funny how we just glossed past that. I did the same thing. SharePoint 2013. Well, I'm also appreciative though that February actually gave the version number. Yeah. And actually, so that gives us the indication that it's SharePoint on premises. It's not SharePoint online. Therefore, it allows us to, what did you said, the Jeff Teeper comment? Like, yeah. Now your requirements, it allows us to, it allows us to scope the, scope the response better. Yeah. Well, gentlemen, we are, we are at time here and really appreciate everybody for, for participating. So Mike, Hal, Neil, of course, Eric and Sherry. Sean is dead to us. Sharon this week is dead to us. But again, we will not be back next week because we all have the MVP Summit happening, but we will be back on April 5th, Monday, April 5th at 8am Pacific. And we'll do this again. So feel free to ping us via social. You can find us out there. Use the hashtag O365Hours. And we'll see any questions that are posted there. Otherwise, we'll pull things off of the Facebook communities and the tech community sites, unanswered questions as well. So do as many as possible. But don't ping me in Facebook because I'm in Facebook jail. Oh, I said something naughty. Again, again, I got, I got, I got, I got, I'm up to my seven day ban now. 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