 Hi everyone, so I will not be speaking today, but these three gentlemen will be and I Invite Tristan Tristan to explain. What's the global idea of this? I might have oh Okay, so the idea of this panel. We did one at the last summit was to get International people in the one room and share ideas about user groups around the world What I was hoping to do this time was Well, I firstly identify the countries that we have here. We've got we've got the link to the old one from November Yeah, at the top there. Can we pull that up for a minute? Oh, yeah, sure Okay So what we did last time was I think we had 19 countries represented I've walked around the room and asked people about what was unique and interesting about Their user group or their country and we had some quite interesting answers and what we try to do with this is feed this back into the wiki so that We can help more user groups pop up in more countries around the world so we What we wanted to do this time I guess is is ask each of the represented countries two questions first question is what's the best thing that's happened in your user group in the last six months and The second question is probably what's the worst thing that's happened in your user group in the last six months So are we getting a few more up there? So I'd like to see some more pop up there. Otherwise, I'm gonna come around and walk around the room and ask all of you So that's how that's what that's what we had last time We had quite a few so we need to beat that this time so We've got Someone here from Network issues Australia. I love it mate China, okay, so hungry. Do we have any more countries represented here? US America Spain US China China. We've got a good China up there. I think Philippines Indonesia Italy doing pretty well so far US Brazil US India Italy US China US and we've got any more countries in here speak up now Japan Vietnam That's it Gentlemen who just walked in oh Vietnam is a double. Yeah, we have it twice We're asking people what country they came from the gentleman that just walked in It's just about to sit down there with a red shirt right in the middle there. Yes you so Russia Okay, so And you in the back do you see your country here? You see the country you come back this list Yes, you yeah New guy in the back Where are you from? Japan, okay, so you're already in okay, so the best thing that's happened I'm gonna I'm gonna kick it off the best thing that's happened in our user group in the last six months Would be growth, I think we had a bit of a growth spur So now I'm the moderator So I get to interrupt you because you spoke quite a bit and you distribute a thing. Sorry. I Want okay, sorry now Following up. Could you say what's the worst thing that happened in your user group the user group you know? Hello, everyone, my name is Saajid. I'm one of the organizer for open stack India user group Thank you everyone everyone for joining us right here. So definitely we have a very big traction in India So we in an in an year time. I know Tristan has been you know, here's the Aptira and Tristan have supported our open stack India user group from day one And it's been like you know at this point of time. We have a strong 1,700 member in just one and a half here That's huge and we have like conducted around 40 40 meetup across the cities and It's definitely getting a lot of traction across India across cities across universities and I'm engaged with a lot of government agencies where we are trying to write some kind of reference architecture that could be implemented on the government agencies and Universities so definitely there's a lot of good things with that We are gonna talk about and the best part of this community is like the collaboration that we have seen across the Universities and the corporates where we do a lot of thought sharing and we do a lot of you know lot of joint meetups where It's more like a very good engagement where I see a good thought leadership coming and this is a very innovative project and The there are certain things that we would be Touching upon like what are the challenges that we have faced definitely conducting 40 meetups in two years It that's a big number every every two months We conduct one meetup and the frequency has been grown up now There are huge demands or recently one of the one of the biggest achievement that we had is like we two months back we conducted open stack India day and It was it was very good event and we had Tom five field who joined us from the foundation And we have been getting a lot of support from corporates and foundation those who make up You know those who travel all the way or to our places and they they support us in all the best way So so that would be the best thing that happened. Yeah, that's right That's right. We are getting you know, do you have any pain point or I think that's not you're gonna cover on the second part So I would just you know, I would give him some chance to speak about the best part Then we'll go to okay. Let's start with the best part then. All right Hi, everyone. So I'm I'm true from Vietnam and we have a little community there We started about a year about 300 people now and it's constantly growing up. So it's okay We the good thing about our community is we got a good attention from the government and then and from other associations, so it's been going quite well We we got some of the best thing that we've done is we expand the awareness about this and Seems like it is becoming a choice for you know, government cloud open cloud, especially and you know As a result this time we have about 20 people coming here From two cities and three ministries and they all here to witness how open sign has been maturing and and I think that That's been a good thing Should I talk about the Bad thing as well the bad thing. Okay. Okay. You can open up. Yeah, so we can go back So some of the bed some was a not good thing that happened to our community is that You know why open stack has a very good reputation everyone is Exciting about that actually We start seeing cloud stack getting into Fraction in Vietnam in the community and and They they don't they don't have an actual community in Vietnam But they also throwing our messages and saying that you know, it's much easier to do cloud stack than open stack So we actually have one customer not customer, but one of our members actually moving the cloud stack way so and and we try to you know Bring up the level of awareness about actually clouds that opens like whatever it open is work but the Interoperability between the cloud be important for the government. So we need to Pay some attention there. All right. So when it comes to speaking about the bad thing I wouldn't say those are the bad things rather. I would say it's The challenge that we need to challenge is right. So looking from very optimistic That's what we grew from two to seventeen hundred, right? So that gives us a lot of You know optimistic, you know way of thinking so what I would say like currently the challenges that we face all these years We're basically we were trying to come up with some kind of governance model that we need and this such a scaling You know user group where we are very much vendor. We are very Vendor agnostic so we don't care about we don't actually Encourage the vendor getting into the meetup and trying to control that so we need to have very strong governance model and and and maybe I'm very rude to the vendors, but at the end of the day all that I want is a Is the to actually Send a very broad messaging across the community that we all are together when it comes to technology and evangelists You know doing evangelism for this particular technology and I can only get more and more developer more and more Contributors being more focused on if it is very straightforward to deal rather than coming through you know the protocols and the policies So definitely this is you have a very positive view of the problem Yeah, which is which is good because a problem needs solving we have you know tackle this kind of problem day day in and out So when I say 40 meetups, that's a big number and every every time we conduct a meetup initially it was up to you Who are supporting you know For the events and everything it even till today they support but and then we move to vendor location And then I've been very particular about okay. These are the topics that you're not gonna talk and these are the timelines We strict very very clear over there. Okay. These are the timeline. These are the topics So definitely been a sponsor. We give the preference to the vendor Okay, speak about the technology, but I don't encourage any sales talk because this is still in a developer Right, right, right. I appreciate the kind of effort that vendors have you know They are the person those who have bring the more and more momentum in this technology So I appreciate that but when it comes to I think we will see the same kind of balance in other groups I'm sure what about you. So yeah, I mean growth is certainly a thing I think The best thing that's happened in the last I think it's probably a little bit more than six months maybe the last 12 months is The vendors have become more involved when we started nearly two and a half years ago I would ring up certain large organizations that are like Very significant members of the foundation and say do you want to come and sponsor this event or come and speak at this event It's about open stack and they go what's open stack? No idea at all What's happened lately though over the last few months, so it's like it's it's like It's evolved into a state where now I have to try and balance the interests between the vendors so that we're not Completely Absorbed by any particular vendor. I mean we have you know, everyone wants to sponsor every event They all want to pay for everything they want to put their signs up all over the place Which is which is great, but we've got to try and keep it very level and not make it sort of a keep it very Equal or egalitarian or something that's that's that's been it's been nice to have that and it's kind of like a Good thing and a bad thing too. It's kind of really difficult to manage It's had to become quite a politician to sort of say hey This is you know, you can't get up there and just spruke this stuff and plus the place with signs and and make it your own sort of Event too strongly, so it's about open stack. It's not about company X That that would be what you're struggling with What's the good? Yeah The other thing I guess with the within The biggest challenge has been Communications between the groups around that around the country, which is probably something that Is felt in India as well that the the mechanism we have at the moment Is using meetup.com which is again still it's just not designed for for distributed Groups around the place or communications easily easy communications between groups And I think some of the work that that Steph and Martin have done on the portal Were you guys gonna show us a look at that today or oh? No, okay So Okay, so that that's me done. So can I ask? Someone from one of the other user groups around the world to answer the questions That would be Sean Yeah, but it's yeah, it's internationalization So hi, I'm Sean. I run the San Francisco Bay Area, California United States meetup I took over for you and mellor from Citrix and who took over from McKinney and Jesse that's the guys that helped start OpenStack back in the day So the biggest problem we have is just well, so I start off the biggest problem that the easiest thing has been that There's a lot of speakers around so That's not good to be nearly as easy for a lot of meetups to find speakers. So I guess that could be one of my easiest Benefits and the hardest thing I think for others Sometimes but yeah, but also a lot of speakers really busy as well So if I don't schedule it in a Good time slot. I'm not gonna get them to go come because everyone's just crazy busy lately. So the The biggest problem I've had is as I've gotten more and more involved with OpenStack and getting it More and more involved in my company of keeping the schedule going. So that's I really Especially with the hackathon because we generally hold three different styles of meetups. I think we're on about I think we're on about 115 for the last year So it's gotten been kind of a crazy pace but people like Randy and bias and other Boris from Rantis have been helping out been helping Hold different styles and meetups who we've been very participatory So that but the the hackathon is really The baby that I want to Shepherd the most and there's that's where we try to build new developers new contributors So that's that's my biggest problem. It's just been trying to be as consistent as possible So we we actually hold it every two weeks. I Drag myself up there and even if I'm tired. I stay sometimes until I've stayed there till one in the morning with people Get either writing code or working on a blueprint or do whatever has to be done So it's it's important just to be consistent and when people have time they show up and Myself or Colin McManara there, so You mentioned something the other day to me about Did the problem you have with too many speakers about a speaker matrix of some sort or a schedule? Is that something we could look at? Putting into the portal so the idea that Sean had the other day was All these people around the place that that are available to speak about things be that in person or over Google Hangout or Skype or whatever trying to trying to Get a list of all these people and their availability and what their topics are and have a sort of a matrix map that we can all use to to get these guys online often and And get them speaking to events around the world. Would that be useful to to people? Yeah so We just started a new user group at CMU Pittsburgh a couple weeks ago But the only reason that I was able to start that and they got me and Colin McManara because I drug him along somewhat unwillingly but Was because I knew some of the people and I have a relationship with the university So I was able to do that but that's gonna be really difficult for anybody else. It doesn't have an academic relations Pipeline like we do so we have a really strong relationship. I also flew out to Minneapolis to the Because I know Kyle Messery really well and he runs that meet-up. We kind of helped him get it started a few years ago So not everyone has these deep contacts. I've been doing this for a while so Way we can really kickstart a lot of other people or a lot of other user groups is to promote Speakers to be virtual so I popped in when we were doing a lot of the discussions about core it was Rob Hirschfeld made a big effort to travel to a lot of different places on the East East Eastern seaboard But I made a big effort to pop in but I was doing it virtual So I was able to contribute some to the discussion. So makes a big difference the more we can do that hopefully I'm using that the portal will be I think very helpful and start evangelizing that I think it's really important for Developing the develop not only that the people that are Helping to drive Companies and they're generally the ones that are a little bit more interested in doing this But also driving developers to do this because it's an important skill to be able to speak in public so that you Feel a little less intimidated When you need to get up at the design summit and speak about your blueprint that you've worked on So anyway in this regard, I would like to hear from People from countries who are not native English speakers. Oh here or Here yeah, and then someone else from China maybe Okay Hi, my name is Gergay. We run the Hungarian user group together with Barton and What was our best? experience We had a absolutely new user group member we just just joined us and We were trying Trying to explain him. What is what is open source community about and he didn't seem to get it at all and and we basically tried everything and Then a guy show up a redhead guy from Arizona Chris and he just well done. He's a holiday and so they open a sex sign and He he joined into the group Probably his wife was not so happy about this. I guess she imagined a much more romantic holiday in Budapest, but We actually had a great fun with him and And a new member He was okay now. I get it now. I see what is what is this community about? Yes, yes, absolutely The worst experience I can't really say any Bad experiences, but if I really need to say anything in our last meet-up We had so many people that The room wasn't not enough so some people had to stand because the our user group is booming and We have quite a lot of members I mean relatively we are a small country, but we have a lot of members and the only difficult thing is to find a place to to organize meet-ups because We all overgrown on this Well, thank you Someone from China. Yes I'd like to show some experience from China and we had a meet-up in Beijing in October Before the meet-up I was worried about people Whether they come in or not, but when I actually we use the same system like this summit To sell the tickets for we have a one-day Activities we sell tickets and It's the biggest price for me over 300 people wants the ticket, but we have Small room we we don't have the enough place to hold these people. So we put out their videos and and Slides on the website This is the good sides for the situation of meet-up and the activities of OpenStack in China and Actually in the states In in this during the summit I talked to some people and I found that maybe in China We should learn to some Group user groups from other areas and countries In China this meet-up mainly about the the general Things about OpenStack. Maybe in the future we need to talk about more technical things and to some discussions of the Special dedicated projects or something. Okay, it's my sharing anyone else from Hi, this is Chesok from Korea Though our community I don't know Facebook is a certain 100 members The best thing we have 130 13 1313 Who is right? So we did So we started at the rate 2010 our community so I I see the some like a page So first time there's few people knows about OpenStack and people just Joining community to reason what's the open-stack about the second phase the people know about The OpenStack and they're working for the company who are interested in OpenStack So they're coming to community because they need to and this year service page is there Right now a bunch of people who are interested in community itself So enjoying being in community and interacting each other So it's not about their company working on OpenStack So with those last number of members We were able to build some of government's Organization inside our community because there's very lots of people who are willing to do that and enjoying being together And as your community so that was the best thing we happened and Because of that I think there is some similar point in in previously Since we have like two meet-ups per month and some of the activities and participating like open source conference event as your community step and and we moved from and vendor support and company support and we have problem of Binding rooms and mid-ups and no sustained our old community Because we are not getting any support and we are we don't want to getting any support from vendors So we are we are actively discussing inside community and what to do and I mean we can have we can write our books In as a committee name and we can have a little bit training So we are having lots of ideas how we There's such an hour committee in his way very helpful way and having more the People engaging it to commit and being out like opens our committee side. So I guess that's okay Thank you. I see a pattern of people having success a lot of people Maybe is there anyone here with a group that is starting with very few people? That would be you or oh in the back So you're next okay Well, I was holding my hand up even before you said that the small okay, but yes, it is relatively small I guess compared to the sizes here. It's about 160 people by the way, I'm my name is Nikolai. I'm from the OpenStack user group in Stockholm So I started it last year On my own and basically it's been slowly and steadily growing Which is really good and on the on the good side and maybe an advice that I can give to others who have issues finding room I I'm in close contact with the Technical University that I collaborate with and they're always glad to host this kind of events and they usually have big rooms and all On the less good side, I would like to emphasize once again It's been brought up earlier that it's sometimes hard to get speakers and what it resulted in It's it's on one hand. I got a couple of times like too much vendor specific speakers and Very untechnical which was very annoying to a technical bunch And which resulted in having fewer meetups because I decided okay I will only have a meetup when I can guarantee that I'll have a quality speaker and that is not so Yeah, if anyone has a plan how to like to schedule speakers to share speakers, they'll be totally amazing Yeah, thanks I live in Kenya So we have about a five to ten person user group. I'm mostly doing it just as an exercise and getting more capacity built out in terms of a Technology and getting people to be able to create things for academic purposes, but also for business purposes One of the things I've noticed is I've been working with the Polish user group. I don't anybody here from Poland Okay, so what's great is that the time zones are the same So I think one of the things that we've been trying to do is to do more regular hangouts that are shifted And what would be pretty cool? Would be to start setting up more of a regular user group that's on a hangout That would be supported by the OpenStack Foundation That way these groups in smaller areas could communicate with each other as a regular thing and that can be done remotely I don't think there can be one global one because we're in a 24-hour world, but maybe one for Europe in Africa one for Asia one for the Americas and then It's hard to coordinate those things. So that would be something I think that also could be done at a global level Who have we not heard from so far can we scroll up there and have a look at the You know One of one of the pain that we always had since since basically we Established the project was that we had a very hard time discovering activities of user groups around the world and The reason why we're investing in these new user group portal is because we would like to have one single feed of Events and automatically exposed to anybody that is interested so that you can see that there is going to be a lot at an event in Canberra and Who happen that happens to be in the same time zone of Japan or similar compatible with Japan? So people from Japan will be able to either ask Tristan to enable a video stream audio video stream or Automatically Tristan will know about it and we will have a way to share all of that Without having to create an extra layer of complexity. I mean the hack that the Polish team Has been forced to invent for all the European time zones meetings Will probably will hopefully be removed the need for that very soon. Hopefully I Definitely looking for people to help. I mean we have we have a project. I mean the groups Development effort for the portal is based on Drupal. It's available on a public git repository We will have the leaders are in this room the leaders of this project And they will they're already working with the Drupal community to to get them involved because we will need to develop tools to import information from meetup.com from Google communities Other tools in the near future too So we have about five minutes left no eight minutes left Do you want to keep going on these presentations or should we maybe? Ask questions and try to find answers Maybe after I won I get a chance to talk about friends Yeah Since the last summit We we have fed it the French community because we we were only Organized meetup and now we have made a few working group with a team a team of 12 12 people so we are working on a group for events And since the last month we have a program of workshops small small workshops so we have Pierre a guy with he has met Two weeks ago workshops around around it. So we try to make more more more more technical things We have federated a team around translation Who worked to to to translate completely all the documentation? We have sugar working on communication to to make flyers They were with with Stefano in the open world forum, but without communication paper. So we are working on this and And we try to formalize this because it's it's not a really it's a user group by only link by By by mailing list, but no no for no formal user group So we are thinking to to to make a real real organization in the in the next month and what would be the bad What's the problem? Do you have any problem? Oh, we had a few problem like Overgroup I think too too much people to find place because when when we made a Meetup we have at the beginning 20 30 people it was easy, but At the last meetups we were 150 so it's it's sometimes difficult to and we won't we all the time take a new place So it's it's not easy to find place where in Paris because in Paris Place with 150 Little bit difficult. So we we have a partnership with universities Inside Paris, so it's good place on it's good to to make partnerships with university because lots of student Also, it's good. It's really good to it was a Solution to to keep it simple for meetups. So our university seems to be Yes, sir. Thank you. Also in Italy. We started. I don't know how many we are Stefan I'll probably know the number more than one other than it for sure and I have to say two things the first is that we already Used to be connected into town when we do the the meetup Milan and Rome one is physically is the first base and the second is the slave connecting via streaming and we One time is Milan and one time is wrong the first. Okay, and we change and the second things is that a lot of people ask to us To come to the meetup to learn To start So the last we had was I was surprised that was like a school because a lot of people stay there to to know to have a section to understand Which way to install and and so on And I know that I'm not the market inside and not on the communication side I know that our marketing say that we have a lot of requests for the next to have the same Solution to install and and so on and I agree that one of the most value is to have people that come for different experience Nation to talk and with it Okay, so for the few minutes we have does anyone have Questions specific questions regarding user groups Okay, no, so Maybe someone had as an answer regarding your training or workshops, maybe Sean you you would like to comment on that When nobody raised their hand for another question, so I'm going I know you have the answer for that. Okay, so You're certainly involved with training as well, but more specific But I don't speak today All right. Anyway, okay, so he's not speaking so a Few of us have gotten together it started around the user groups Partially because we were getting consistent consistently the same questions from different personas different types of people and A few of us said well in the effort of automating things Let's start writing this down and start creating some Some documentation around the common questions these people have and it evolved into us creating Training documentation, so it is a project. It's up on GitHub like anything else is all the rest of the open-stack docs are We're sprinting towards having our first book go out, which would be for the persona of an associate which is kind of a beginner and We were planning on releasing books on for operator developer and DevOps We likely will do some other variations as well in the future Because we want to make it more theory focused Or include more theory right now. It's very specific on mostly installation very little theory So but the intention anyway that short answer or the short idea behind this is that it's meant to be Used by the user groups all over all the user groups as a possible syllabus that Hopefully these groups will find useful So when people show up with variety of levels experience and knowledge and intent they can either self be self-taught or Be instructor taught by if there's somebody who's willing to mentor them at the user groups, so Excellent. Yeah, so to conclude because we're Running against the time But every every panelist I have one minute to for a conclusion I was going to say wisdom if we've got any what any other countries that we didn't cover That might be too short unless you want to relinquish your conclusion time No, no to get to come in there later and yeah, please please please Add to this help us out with this because it's it's on your feedback We can improve it for more user groups and new user groups coming. So I Can see my seller from Brazil down there Please add your add your information to that a thorough Please help us out and feed it back. Whatever you can into this into this At this point of time while closing I would just like to thank all the vendors back in India those who supported all our initiative, right? And to answer come of some of the problems that all the user group are facing is like speaker and The location I would just say that we have the same initial and today we have results So you need to collaborate and you need to communicate very clearly what's in it for them, you know When they host this kind of meetup. So today we are running out of time So I wouldn't talk much more but in case you have any problem how to get this started how to resolve Issues we would be right outside this conference room. Just stop me and ask me. I'll be happy to assist you further. Thank you very much Yeah, and just a just a one point that I want to make is that for developing countries like Vietnam It's actually the awareness about what's happening with the in the world, you know about the cloud and so on is There's a delay So by the time when they heard about opens that probably all the vendors are then telling them that oh, you know We are the one who doing and we are the one who implementing open stack So so I think and I'm worried that you know developing countries would face this problem if our user group don't have a way to actually cover that At the moment, so I just raised that point to see whether you can do something about that Thank you very much for this wonderful journey a round of applause for the pun out